it's like a parent throwing out a puzzle in a toddler's direction as a distraction before going back to the other parent to help finish making dinner quick enough before chaos ensues
I have the answer to both. Do something (hand a paper) to one of them and ask the other if you just did it. Take the goose first, take the fox, take the goose back, bring the seeds, come back and get the goose
@@joshuafox8856if they say the same thing, how are they still keeping the "always lies/always truth" premise? I've seen it where there's like, a sign (plaque?) explaining it which seems to work best I think.
I'd say it was pretty clear that was intentional, given the deliberation with which he said it. The only real question is whether Brennan started riffing of the intentionally wrong answer, or had fully expected that an internal argument was the funniest way to go.
@@jmackmcneillBrennan would immediately clock what he was saying was off, because the premise is either true or false as he’s saying it and that would cause confusion. Brennan set it up lol
This is actually one of my favourite bits of these guys. The idea of the guy giving the traveller a riddle off the top of his head and saying "mull that over" to buy time to figure out their problem amongst themselves is brilliant.
You can tell Brennan does not know where tf ross is going with the secondary riddle, "okaay?" And then it clicks and the speedy relief of "mull that over" is his realization and appreciation of ross's genius
By explaining the premise, the first guard has shown he's the the one who tells the truth. Otherwise if he was the liar it would mean that the riddle wasn't explained properly and so you couldn't trust the entire premise ruining the whole point of the riddle.
He didn’t say which is which tho. The lie could be he was thinking of the truthful one when saying one of us always lies and he was thinking of the lying one when he said one of us always tells the truth.
@@SpyrosKoronis But saying "I am" is a paradox. By saying he is the liar, it's a truth, which then makes it false meaning it's a lie, and so on and so forth.
@@SpyrosKoronis It exposed him as the one who tells the truth (unless he snuck some lie in somewhere). Ross saying “I am” breaks it because _neither_ should ever answer that question positively.
@@SpyrosKoronis There is a logic in both. If Brennan rules applied, he was the truth-teller anyway. But Ross doesn't create an impossible situation with his response either. It just means that the rules explained by Brennan don't apply, that he lied and there are in fact other rules. My speculation so far is a Limbo contest.
He actually fucked up because if he always lies then he shouldn't have said he was the liar and if he always tells the truth then it is incorrect to call himself the liar. Basically he should've said "I'm not" and then he could be both lying and telling the truth making the question useless. He fucked up.
@@TheEtherny Or the first guard had to answer that question. Having the second guard definitively answer that question either way validates the original claim.
@@TheEthernythey sed he was a liar, not that he can only lie, you only need to lie once to be a liar, and it doesn't even have to be in your conversation. He might not even be a gard, but an imposter. Now there's a plot twist 😂
The guard giving the introduction is the one that always tells the truth, otherwise it would've lied about them being guards at the fork in the path to the center of the labyrinth.
“Well, I mean, the fork is metaphorical, it’s not, you know, like the thing you eat with. And, technically, yeah, sure, the labyrinth is a metaphor too. Honestly, don’t even get me started on that… what was I saying? Oh, right. Truthfully? You had the reward all along, it was the power of believing in yourself, you can just go home now.”
I honestly think that's an even more clever way to solve the riddle than the traditional solution. The traditional solution being you ask guard 1 what type of guard (lying or truth telling) guard 2 would say guard 1 is. If the guard says "He would say I tell the truth", then that's the lying guard. If he says "He would say I lie", then that's the truth telling guard.
@@consideringorthodoxy5495 that gives you the truth and liar identities but the classic puzzle gives you one question to ask to get the correct path. so the classic solution asks which path to take +the loopdeloop part of the question + you going the opposite direction.
@@consideringorthodoxy5495 The traditional solution is to ask one of the guards which way the other guard would tell you to go, and then go the opposite way. If you ask guard 1 what guard 2 would say and he says right, go left, because if guard 1 is lying, then it means he is lying about what guard 2 would say, and if guard 1 is telling the truth then he would tell you truthfully what guard 2 would say, so you go the opposite way.
Well if he was the liar, he coudn't say so. But if he told the truth, he couldn't say he was the liar. In both cases he break rules he supposedly can't break, so from this point the only option is that the guard who declared the premise is lying on the rules.
@@TheEvilCheesecakeprobably because it communicates a thorough cynicism about how everyone is always lying about everything that is kind of annoying because it demands we not be able to just enjoy things
Unless they are both liars. If they are both liars, the setup of the premise is a liar (because both are liars in stead of only one being a liar). And saying I am thr liar is a lie, both it implies the other speaks the truth, when in fact both are liars. My head hurts...
But the premise exists outside the power of the skit to an extent, so while two liars can work, it assumes that the prompt is equal to the characters when in fact the prompt is a hyperversal entity which created them.
Ross out here throwing a whole ass additional puzzle and going "so mull that over" is just so good! These puzzle guards out here doing they're best but there's just too many damn puzzles to keep everything straight
I actually remember the solution of that puzzle, first you take the Goose, as the Fox and the Grain can be together, Then you bring over the Grain and take back the goose, switch the Goose with the Fox, take the Fox over, and finally go back empty to pick up the goose
@@Voron_Aggrav am I misremembering or was that puzzle in a poptropica game because Im getting 'looked up a walkthrough for this in elementary school' dejavu 😂
it’s actually amazing that he nailed the explanation on the spot so quickly. I don’t think it’s fully appreciated how hard that is, it’s like doing math on live TV/stream. No matter how simple it will scramble your brain unless you’re very good
Ikr, just the fact that he explains the whole thing makes him the one who is doomed to say the truth, but then saying “I am a liar” questions even the idea that this is the true trope-
It's not necessarily a fuck up. With those two statements we don't know anything about the guards yet. It could be that the first guard always lies, and the second guard chooses answers at random.
@@Hahahahaaahaahaa Yea, well, by that logic they could both be liars or maybe just two dudes with nothing special about them whatsoever. The point is that they fucked up the puzzle.
@@rushjobinc8063my guy the internet is HUGE!!! I promise you neither of these guys have as big an imprint as you are assuming. That said, Ross has been on Wild N’ Out so he’s reached out to a much larger audience but still. They’re not like, A list. So they would still be underrated. Your point still stands. I just think it’s important we understand the reality
What makes it funnier is that that's one of the questions that won't solve the issue: the liar will lie and say the other guard is lying. And the one that tellls the truth will also say the other one is lying, which is true.
Yup....since one of them could only tell the truth and couldn't lie, if one of them admitted to being the liar then they had to in fact be the liar. If he had said "not me" instead then the game would still be on.
@@gauchofromhell Both guards can respond that the other is the liar, but the liar can't say he is the liar, otherwise he tells the truth. So he broke the rules, and in this situation the only explanation (beyond comedy ofc) is the one who explained the rules lied.
That is correct. Although with Brennan explaining the rules first, which are previously given as truth, he can already be identified as the truth speaking guard.. great improv nonetheless
And here's the answer to the other puzzle: 1. Take the goose across 2. Return alone 3. Take the grain across 4. Leave the fox (why did you have a fox)?
@noodle3218 yes, thank you. He could accuse Brennan of saying that he is a liar, of course, to gain the traveler's trust and send them down the wrong path, which Brennan would then accuse him of doing also because he is honest but it would be hard for a stranger to know who is truly honest without asking further questions
For anyone confused it’s a paradox. If he’s the honest guard he wouldn’t claim to be the liar because that’s a lie. And if he’s the dishonest guard he wouldn’t claim to be the liar because that’s a truth. By claiming to be the liar he broke the rules.
@@case425that doesn't solve the actual riddle though. The idea is that they are guarding two doors/paths. One leads to certain death, one leads to success/freedom. You only get one question to find the correct path. If you use that question to determine which one the liar is, you still don't know which path to take. I believe the correct answer to the riddle is "what path would your partner tell me is correct?". They both will say the same thing.
@@EldenRingplayer407I think they're explaining why the guards should not have answered with "I Am!" at least. Via the rules of their game, they should answer, but they got tricked into breaking their own rules.
I love how Brennan and Ross flipped this skit on its head lol. Instead of just throwing riddles at the traveller (which I have no doubt would've been brilliant anyway) it ended up being a crisis amongst the guards. Way too funny 😂😂
@@xPRIMExNITROx no the paradox is the liar must lie, so if asked "which one is the liar" he can't admit to being the liar. The liar would have to say his partner is the liar.
What's even funnier is that the fox-goose-grain puzzle is told truthfully so unless there is no river and no fox or goose or grain, he's broken it even worse
@@fishyfish1917 Okay so Ross is clearly supposed to be the guard that lies, right? That means anything he says has to be false. Since he poses the fox-goose-grain puzzle, he would have to have told it wrong in some way - such as the fox _can_ be left alone with the goose. Since he tells it exactly how the puzzle is meant to be told, he's telling the truth again which is not his role in the Truth Guard/Lie Guard puzzle.
@@LoRosa0224 right but you’d have to come back for the fox or the grain after, but if you leave either one on the other side with the goose, something will get eaten. The answer is 1) take the goose over, return with nothing 2) take the fox to the other side, return with the goose 3) take the grain over, return with nothing 4) bring the goose to the other side
@liger04 goose across. Fox across. Goose back. Grain across. Goose across. Solved. The puzzle is that if the Grain and Goose or the fox and the Goose are together when you take something across the bridge, the Goose will eat the Grain or the fox will eat the Goose. (Usually its a chicken, not a goose).
@@ToughBreK3 The second thing to be taken across can be either the fox _or_ the grain. The important takeaway from the setup is simply that the goose cannot be left unattended with anything else.
My Dungeon Master tried this once. The party had my bard take on the two guardians to figure out who was the liar. So my bard thinks for a moment, then finally asks "What's 2 plus 2?" One guard bitterly said "4", the other said "22." The DM was too busy laughing to be disappointed about his riddle being ruined.
If he’d specified the rules correctly, you have one question that can only be asked to one of the guards, problem solved. The other problem, “After this announcement, only then can one guard only speak true and the other lie.” Doesn’t take a genius to get it right, the answer’s a little more complicated, but I know it.
@AndrewHalliwell So, the way our DM did it, he said "Each of you is permitted to ask one question" there were four of us, so he was probably trying to make sure all of us could contribute, he just (for whatever reason) assumed that my bard, who's go-to move for the entire game was vicious mockery, wouldn't be a smart-ass in this one instance.
@proton8239 in his defense, we absolutely botched a puzzle earlier mostly because someone in our group cant tell the difference between radius and diameter, so I don't blame him for simplifying it. But according to the DM, he figured we would ask questions specific to the dungeon or to the guardians to narrow down who was telling the truth. He just overlooked the fact that stupidly simple questions could break the puzzle. But, honestly, who cares? We laughed our asses off and have a funny story to tell, so who cares if we did the puzzle correctly.
@@FlatOnHisFace hmm, well played good sir/ma'am/eldritch being (And yes by eldritch being I mean you alphabetically inclined people. Pick an acronym and stick with it PLEASE!!!)
Or, alternatively: take the goose across. Go back empty. Take the grain across. Leave the fox, why do you have a fox? This version brought to you by XKCD.
You arrive at a gate with two guards. Guard 1: Halt, traveler. You must solve our riddle to continue. Guard 2: hErE wE gO G1: ONE of us only tells the truth. The other only tells LIES. G2: Jesus Christ, Daniel, I said I was sorry.
Thanks for this comment! Other folks seem to be forgetting that the actual CRUX of the problem, if the setup is done *properly* is that you only have the ONE question to discern the liar from the truth-teller, and no *second* question in which to ask for the actual directions. 😋😋
Yes! The only logical conclusion to "I am the liar" is that he does lie but not right now. So the premise was clearly a lie. But we can't know if the first guard also can tell the truth, so getting any valuable information from them is impossible.
thing is, "he is" is just as broken: you answer with that, but if you're the liar, then you're lying, pointing at the other one. if you're not the liar, you're telling the truth. Neither can answer 'I am' and follow the logical problem of the 'always' part of 'lie/tell the truth'. the trick is that the one faced with the conundrum needs to ask a question were no matter who answers, the answer itself reveals the liar. I don't remember what the puzzles' actual "question-answer" is tho.
@@AlMcpherson79the answer is always to ask either guard which path the OTHER guard would tell you is correct, then take the opposite path. either you're speaking to the liar who is lying about which path the truther would point you towards, or you're speaking to the truther who is correctly telling you which path the liar would mislead you with.
I cannot say how much joy hearing Brennan make a labyrinth reference in his opening sentence made me…as soon as I read the task I said “labyrinth” out loud and pictured the two door knockers🥰
The funniest part about this is that Brennan has made up this scenario before already with the lion statues in Unsleeping City. They both had the exact same problem.
I love seeing these prompts and deciding where i would've taken it before they start and i see their approach. I would've opened with "your honor, id like to bring in the two guards to the witness stand"
@@thefinalfrontearMythology Island? One of my favs too. I remember playing that while my grandparents were looking after me when it was new and being too excited to stop playing and do something with them. What a time!
@@fliptheflipped He could also just be lying for fun. I'm pretty sure if the one saying the prompt isn't telling the truth, there's no way to solve the puzzle, other than asking the same question forever until one of them cracks.
It may Seem the path is straightforward, but a keen eye will notice, half buried in the dirt, there is Indeed a Fork and therefore, he is the truth teller
I had a player doing this and the (truthsayer) guard's answer was "No it didn't, but not because I am a liar but because you are a weak pussy". He solved the puzzle, but the emotional damage was not worth it.
from the start the guards fucked up! the moment brennan explained that “one of them always lies and the other always tells the truth,” he told the traveler the truth which means the traveler would’ve had nothing to figure out 😂 love this man. EDIT: y’all i’ve got like 10 of you saying that he could’ve just lied abt the premise, you don’t gotta repeat yourselves 😭🙏🏼 and also just my take on that idea, yea he could’ve but it was the prompt so idk lol
For the record for the second riddle, bring the goose across, then the grain. But bring the goose back when you do so, then the fox, then the goose again.
When I first saw Labyrinth, and the two guards laid out the premise, I immediately thought, "Wait, but one of them has to be lying...at least." So satisfying to hear someone else address this.
I found "how to beat the Labyrinth" and the guards puzzle is beatable with this rule - you get to ask one guard one question. The question you should ask is, what will the other guard say is the safe fork in the path? If Path A is safe and Path B is unsafe, the lying guard will say that the other guard recommends Path B (he thinks you'll spot the lie.) The truthful guard, asked the same question, will say that the other guard lies and will recommend Path B (he also thinks you'll spot the lie.) The solution is to always choose Path A or the opposite of what either guard says.
@@ALTR.555 I want to make sure everyone understands the point here. If you consider that, while the guards are explaining the situation here, one of them is presumably lying, because he has to. This totally changes the challenge she faces.
You can ask what door would the other one say is the correct door....(they will both point to the bad door. Either because you asked the truth teller and he shows you the bad door or you asked the liar who cant say the truth so must show you the bad door.)
The answer is; You take goose to the other side come back pick up the grain bring that to the other side but pick back up the goose, then bring the goose back drop it off pick up the fox bring it to the other side and come back and pick up the goose and bring it to the other side, boom!
I love the idea of “here’s a separate riddle. Figure that out while we solve our own problems”
I aaid it the perfect distraction 😂XDHAHAHA
"the goose"
What if he always lies?
it's like a parent throwing out a puzzle in a toddler's direction as a distraction before going back to the other parent to help finish making dinner quick enough before chaos ensues
I have the answer to both. Do something (hand a paper) to one of them and ask the other if you just did it.
Take the goose first, take the fox, take the goose back, bring the seeds, come back and get the goose
“I am” is the only phrase that could have absolutely destroyed everything and bro said it with an otherworldly confidence.
it’s accidentally the best way this could have gone it’s so funny
1+1=2
"Correct" - Guard 1
"Wrong" -Chad Guard 2
The correct answer was “Not me”
1000th like! Your welcome bro
My ADHD ass 10/10 would've said it just as confidently. Brain was faster than his mouth lol
I love how after the "I AM!" there's a pause while everyone tries to process that statement then they all error out in confusion.
"ah shoot, that's the one thing I *can't* say!"
@@Silas_MNRIGHT!! I love that so much, I can’t tell if he did that on purpose or not! Such an easy thing to do
They both should've said he is at the same time
"T-pose, just T-pose!"
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And this is why one guard should always explain the premise of the puzzle, and the other should always speak in cryptic non-sequiturs.
I think they shared the line in the original.
"One of us speaks in riddles, the other speaks in rhymes!"
@@joshuafox8856if they say the same thing, how are they still keeping the "always lies/always truth" premise? I've seen it where there's like, a sign (plaque?) explaining it which seems to work best I think.
@@3possumsinatrenchcoat they each speak one word of the sentence. So in effect neither one said the premise but it was said.
Unless the puzzle itself is a lie.
This is the best part of improv, you can’t be entirely sure how much of the initial confusion was staged
The fact is he messed up, neither of them would ever say they are the lier.
I'd say it was pretty clear that was intentional, given the deliberation with which he said it. The only real question is whether Brennan started riffing of the intentionally wrong answer, or had fully expected that an internal argument was the funniest way to go.
I mean, it's all staged.
They're on a stage.
@@westrim well,
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@@jmackmcneillBrennan would immediately clock what he was saying was off, because the premise is either true or false as he’s saying it and that would cause confusion. Brennan set it up lol
This is actually one of my favourite bits of these guys. The idea of the guy giving the traveller a riddle off the top of his head and saying "mull that over" to buy time to figure out their problem amongst themselves is brilliant.
You can tell Brennan does not know where tf ross is going with the secondary riddle, "okaay?" And then it clicks and the speedy relief of "mull that over" is his realization and appreciation of ross's genius
“One of us always tells the truth, the other always lies”
“Oh my god, jerry. I said I was sorry!”
Lol this is a really funny way it could have gone as well. Nice one
Extremely underrated comment
Jerry just won't forget or forgive.
Ah but is he sorry? Did he say it? He seems to always lie.
By explaining the premise, the first guard has shown he's the the one who tells the truth. Otherwise if he was the liar it would mean that the riddle wasn't explained properly and so you couldn't trust the entire premise ruining the whole point of the riddle.
I love that having one of the guards explain everything breaks the riddle.
I am really glad that someone finally pointed that out.
What if he IS lying and the river could be crossed without any of those things?
The best part is they could *both* be liars
It doesnt really. Their both supposed to say that the other is the liar.
@@biz09ificationhim explaining truthfully breaks it, as he didn't lie, so the other one is a liar
Brennan is clearly the truthful one, since he (truthfully) explained the situation.
Unless he lied.
@@TheBenFlock A liar wouldn't appear accurate, so no.
@@templar19 He could be lying that hey always lie. Or part of what he said could be a lie.
He didn’t say which is which tho. The lie could be he was thinking of the truthful one when saying one of us always lies and he was thinking of the lying one when he said one of us always tells the truth.
@@getthedunkon9347 Exactly, only one part of that, no matter how small needs to be a lie for it to work
"Can you give us 3 seconds?"
Had me dying 😂😂😂😂
I love how every single part of this skit was programming riddles given to CS freshmen.
Guard 1: "You have arrived.."
Guard 2: "No, you haven't."
Hol Horse: Correct!
Wait..... would asking "what am I doing right now?" Work as a solution to this riddle??? I can't think of why not but my brain also isn't working rn
@@Fre_shAvocadoYeah, I can’t see any flaws in that, personally. Good job! /Gen
My favorite solution is “Are you a tree frog?”
@@foudesfilms Omg that’s genius!
"Start from the answer and work backwards" is a brilliant piece of if life advice
Technically, no, that would be terrible advice for most things.
It's brilliant riddle writing advice
@@catastropheoverclock True
Great for multiple choice tests in math / econ / stat courses.
I love how the one saying "I am" actually breaks the entire thing
I thought it already broke from the moment Brennan explained the premise. Wouldn't that mean he was telling the truth?
@@SpyrosKoronis But saying "I am" is a paradox. By saying he is the liar, it's a truth, which then makes it false meaning it's a lie, and so on and so forth.
@@SpyrosKoronis It exposed him as the one who tells the truth (unless he snuck some lie in somewhere). Ross saying “I am” breaks it because _neither_ should ever answer that question positively.
I suppose I should have been clearer. I meant "broke" as in "made moot", not as in "created a paradox", although both cases invalidate the premise.
@@SpyrosKoronis There is a logic in both. If Brennan rules applied, he was the truth-teller anyway. But Ross doesn't create an impossible situation with his response either. It just means that the rules explained by Brennan don't apply, that he lied and there are in fact other rules.
My speculation so far is a Limbo contest.
i love that ross answering "i am" when asked "who's the liar" is a paradox in and of itself
The famous Liar Paradox..... 😂😂😂
Thats partly how you solve it
He actually fucked up because if he always lies then he shouldn't have said he was the liar and if he always tells the truth then it is incorrect to call himself the liar. Basically he should've said "I'm not" and then he could be both lying and telling the truth making the question useless. He fucked up.
@@TheEtherny Or the first guard had to answer that question. Having the second guard definitively answer that question either way validates the original claim.
@@TheEthernythey sed he was a liar, not that he can only lie, you only need to lie once to be a liar, and it doesn't even have to be in your conversation. He might not even be a gard, but an imposter. Now there's a plot twist 😂
The guard giving the introduction is the one that always tells the truth, otherwise it would've lied about them being guards at the fork in the path to the center of the labyrinth.
“Well, I mean, the fork is metaphorical, it’s not, you know, like the thing you eat with. And, technically, yeah, sure, the labyrinth is a metaphor too. Honestly, don’t even get me started on that… what was I saying? Oh, right. Truthfully? You had the reward all along, it was the power of believing in yourself, you can just go home now.”
Or the whole premise is a lie and they're both liars.
I honestly think that's an even more clever way to solve the riddle than the traditional solution. The traditional solution being you ask guard 1 what type of guard (lying or truth telling) guard 2 would say guard 1 is. If the guard says "He would say I tell the truth", then that's the lying guard. If he says "He would say I lie", then that's the truth telling guard.
@@consideringorthodoxy5495 that gives you the truth and liar identities but the classic puzzle gives you one question to ask to get the correct path. so the classic solution asks which path to take +the loopdeloop part of the question + you going the opposite direction.
@@consideringorthodoxy5495 The traditional solution is to ask one of the guards which way the other guard would tell you to go, and then go the opposite way. If you ask guard 1 what guard 2 would say and he says right, go left, because if guard 1 is lying, then it means he is lying about what guard 2 would say, and if guard 1 is telling the truth then he would tell you truthfully what guard 2 would say, so you go the opposite way.
The lying guard had a goddamn existential crisis 💀
But, but which one??!! 😭😂
@@ashofmeal9453obviously Brennan was telling the truth. He gave it away with his starting schpiel; if he was the liar, none of it would’ve been true.
Plot twist the guard that declared the premise is the liar and they both lie in reality.
Or was he? *vsauce music*
Well if he was the liar, he coudn't say so. But if he told the truth, he couldn't say he was the liar. In both cases he break rules he supposedly can't break, so from this point the only option is that the guard who declared the premise is lying on the rules.
I love that they both hold invisible spears the WHOLE TIME
Are you blind‽ They're halberds
😉😂
@@CorwinAlexander no they’re obviously muskets
No, they're all of the above
@@joshuabergman3292 that’s not a weapon
@@PiggiiesStilar tell that to RWBY, since you can combine weapons
this genuinely feels like a perfectly timed and written sketch, insane thats it’s all improv
wait until you learn about this whole concept of "editing".
@@TheEvilCheesecake i think your mother doesn’t love you 🤓
@@TheEvilCheesecake wait until you learn about this whole concept of “edging” 🤓
damn dude why are you taking this so personally, it was the lightest of criticism.
@@TheEvilCheesecakeprobably because it communicates a thorough cynicism about how everyone is always lying about everything that is kind of annoying because it demands we not be able to just enjoy things
I love how Ross immediately breaks it by saying “I Am” which is impossible.
Unless they are both liars. If they are both liars, the setup of the premise is a liar (because both are liars in stead of only one being a liar). And saying I am thr liar is a lie, both it implies the other speaks the truth, when in fact both are liars.
My head hurts...
But the premise exists outside the power of the skit to an extent, so while two liars can work, it assumes that the prompt is equal to the characters when in fact the prompt is a hyperversal entity which created them.
Not necessarily. If Brennan's guard is the liar, then the whole premise is a lie to begin with.
@@josephperez2004that was the brother paradox answer in yugioh.
@@Lanesra62905 which is why it should be a sign instead of spoken by either guard.
Ross out here throwing a whole ass additional puzzle and going "so mull that over" is just so good! These puzzle guards out here doing they're best but there's just too many damn puzzles to keep everything straight
I actually remember the solution of that puzzle, first you take the Goose, as the Fox and the Grain can be together, Then you bring over the Grain and take back the goose, switch the Goose with the Fox, take the Fox over, and finally go back empty to pick up the goose
@@Voron_Aggrav
am I misremembering or was that puzzle in a poptropica game because Im getting 'looked up a walkthrough for this in elementary school' dejavu 😂
@@anny8720 I don't know, but both of them are very old, probably even older than computers
it’s actually amazing that he nailed the explanation on the spot so quickly. I don’t think it’s fully appreciated how hard that is, it’s like doing math on live TV/stream. No matter how simple it will scramble your brain unless you’re very good
Brennan is the one that always tells the truth because he started the conversation with an accurate statement of where in the labyrinth they are
they're actually off-center.
That was the most efficient fuck up possible, well done. True art.
That and the part where they realize they can just stab him.
Ikr, just the fact that he explains the whole thing makes him the one who is doomed to say the truth, but then saying “I am a liar” questions even the idea that this is the true trope-
@@m9l0m6nmelkior7"lier" 😂😂
It's not necessarily a fuck up. With those two statements we don't know anything about the guards yet. It could be that the first guard always lies, and the second guard chooses answers at random.
@@Hahahahaaahaahaa Yea, well, by that logic they could both be liars or maybe just two dudes with nothing special about them whatsoever. The point is that they fucked up the puzzle.
"So mull that over
- so mull that over"
😂 they conveyed the energy shift so well in so little time. you guys are criminally underrated
My man they are internet celebrities. If something's underrated, that means only the people who like what they do like them.
@@rushjobinc8063my guy the internet is HUGE!!! I promise you neither of these guys have as big an imprint as you are assuming. That said, Ross has been on Wild N’ Out so he’s reached out to a much larger audience but still. They’re not like, A list. So they would still be underrated. Your point still stands. I just think it’s important we understand the reality
@@rushjobinc8063I didnt know who Brennan Lee Mulligan was a few months ago and now I’m lowkey obsessed lol
A lot of the views when they blew up qre probably bots, since the top comments reliably had 10k likes and no replies.
brennan lee mulligan is dm’ing at madison square garden
I love how you hear Matt's voice break when he asks the question, like he knew how badly it would derail their thing
Their whole conversation fell apart with one question
What makes it funnier is that that's one of the questions that won't solve the issue: the liar will lie and say the other guard is lying. And the one that tellls the truth will also say the other one is lying, which is true.
@@gauchofromhell Unless the liar forgets they're not supposed to be honest about their lying 😂
Yup....since one of them could only tell the truth and couldn't lie, if one of them admitted to being the liar then they had to in fact be the liar. If he had said "not me" instead then the game would still be on.
@@gauchofromhellWait. So there wouldn’t be a time where either would answer that question with “I am”? That makes it even better
@@gauchofromhell Both guards can respond that the other is the liar, but the liar can't say he is the liar, otherwise he tells the truth. So he broke the rules, and in this situation the only explanation (beyond comedy ofc) is the one who explained the rules lied.
The correct answer to "whos the liar" is to both say "Not I"
Or "He is."
That is correct. Although with Brennan explaining the rules first, which are previously given as truth, he can already be identified as the truth speaking guard.. great improv nonetheless
"One guard always speaks true, the other in paradox. Our liar called in sick."
@@earthgameplot twist: they're both liars
@@earthgameactually, he could have been the “lying guard” in that they don’t actually only speak in truth/lies
It does in fact genuinely break the riddle if one of the guards is the one setting up the riddle
nah. because he was lying about whether the lie/truth rate is 100% for either of them , so it's fine, no paradox just no meaningful information
"And over here we have the labyrinth guards. One always lies, one always tells the truth, and one stabs people who ask tricky questions" -XKCD
The question wasn't tricky, the answer was 😂
And here's the answer to the other puzzle:
1. Take the goose across
2. Return alone
3. Take the grain across
4. Leave the fox (why did you have a fox)?
Like ask em ”am I wearing clothes?”
it gets even funnier when you realize that no matter which one he was, he gave the wrong answer
😂😂😂
The truth of the matter: one guard tells only lies, and the other guard tells only paradoxes.
Assuming the premise Brennan said was true, It would work if Ross said Brennan was the liar [a lie] and Brennan said Ross was the liar [the truth].
@noodle3218 yes, thank you. He could accuse Brennan of saying that he is a liar, of course, to gain the traveler's trust and send them down the wrong path, which Brennan would then accuse him of doing also because he is honest but it would be hard for a stranger to know who is truly honest without asking further questions
Exactly. The truth-teller would be forced to point out that the other is a liar, and the liar would of course not implicate himself.
I freaking love these videos. This has to be my favorite. It gives me “Monty Python” vibes😂
Omg yes
For anyone confused it’s a paradox. If he’s the honest guard he wouldn’t claim to be the liar because that’s a lie. And if he’s the dishonest guard he wouldn’t claim to be the liar because that’s a truth. By claiming to be the liar he broke the rules.
They could also just decline to answer too, since silence (even though it speaks volumes) doesn’t speak the true or false answer
Just ask what 1+1 is
@@EldenRingplayer407 Or they could skip the riddle altogether and just stab the guy. But neither seem very sporting, do they?
@@case425that doesn't solve the actual riddle though. The idea is that they are guarding two doors/paths. One leads to certain death, one leads to success/freedom. You only get one question to find the correct path. If you use that question to determine which one the liar is, you still don't know which path to take. I believe the correct answer to the riddle is "what path would your partner tell me is correct?". They both will say the same thing.
@@EldenRingplayer407I think they're explaining why the guards should not have answered with "I Am!" at least. Via the rules of their game, they should answer, but they got tricked into breaking their own rules.
I love how Brennan and Ross flipped this skit on its head lol. Instead of just throwing riddles at the traveller (which I have no doubt would've been brilliant anyway) it ended up being a crisis amongst the guards. Way too funny 😂😂
“Start from the answer and go backwards” got me
The quick side quest they gave him to mull over while they worked out their riddle...! 😂
Guard1: "One of us speaks only truth, the other only lies"
Guard2: "Geez, Gary, I *_said_* I was *_SORRY!!"_*
Low key, best comment
Guard1: "Liar"
Guard 1: One of us always tells the truth. The other always lies!"
Guard 2: "He's right, you know!"
Underrated comment 😂
The only way this works is when both lie.
Real brainfart moment on that guard. They probably worked out after tha, that they both should say "he is"
My man created a paradox right out of the gate
Not really. Their both supposed to declair that the other is the liar or that they themselves is telling the truth
@@biz09ification The guard who said "I am" created the paradox
@@biz09ificationthe joke is that the puzzle is so confusing even the guards administrating it are confused
No, they both say “I am” problem solved
@@xPRIMExNITROx no the paradox is the liar must lie, so if asked "which one is the liar" he can't admit to being the liar. The liar would have to say his partner is the liar.
What's even funnier is that the fox-goose-grain puzzle is told truthfully so unless there is no river and no fox or goose or grain, he's broken it even worse
Wjhat do you mean?
@@fishyfish1917 Okay so Ross is clearly supposed to be the guard that lies, right? That means anything he says has to be false. Since he poses the fox-goose-grain puzzle, he would have to have told it wrong in some way - such as the fox _can_ be left alone with the goose. Since he tells it exactly how the puzzle is meant to be told, he's telling the truth again which is not his role in the Truth Guard/Lie Guard puzzle.
Wouldn't the answer to that puzzle just leave the fox with the grain?
@@LoRosa0224 right but you’d have to come back for the fox or the grain after, but if you leave either one on the other side with the goose, something will get eaten.
The answer is
1) take the goose over, return with nothing
2) take the fox to the other side, return with the goose
3) take the grain over, return with nothing
4) bring the goose to the other side
The guy who set up the premise is lying. They both can lie whenever they so choose
Gotta love that labyrinth reference
Bringing in the fox-goose-grain puzzle like that was genius 😄
First take the goose across, then go back and bring the grain across, and then leave. Why did you have a wild animal?
@@DaxylStuff the fox in the grain bag to guard it from the goose, then tie it shut so it can't get out.
love the diversionary riddle, as if these guards graduated from guard school with a masters in the subject
"Diversionary riddel" is too funny
When Brennan said "to the centre of the Labyrinth", I was grinning like a maniac, because I love the this 1986 movie
It's the giving him homework so you can figure out the system that has me dying. 😂😂😂
He immediately experienced a paradox when he said "i am". That was my favorite part
What a brilliant Runescape puzzle he gave
There's a fox, a goose and some grain!
"Runescape has prepared me for this exact moment!!"
So the solution is to pull up a quest helper?
@liger04 goose across. Fox across. Goose back. Grain across. Goose across. Solved. The puzzle is that if the Grain and Goose or the fox and the Goose are together when you take something across the bridge, the Goose will eat the Grain or the fox will eat the Goose. (Usually its a chicken, not a goose).
Dam temple nights xp
@@ToughBreK3 The second thing to be taken across can be either the fox _or_ the grain. The important takeaway from the setup is simply that the goose cannot be left unattended with anything else.
@@coryzilligen790damn geese! Absolutely zero accountability!!
Barbarian punches guard in face: “Did I hit you?”
Guard who got punched: “no”
Barbarian: “he’s the liar”
Also known as the "Order of the Stick" method!
"She shot me!"
"No she didn't!"
Thank you I love this! I will absolutely use this as a Barbarian one day I’m sure.
Barbarian kills one of them, asks the other „He dead?
G-„No“
B-„This one liar“
Okay, the original version on this is that you only get one question, though, so you just used that up.
@@jenikabartlett9396they used it up on getting the right answer though
The fact that the first guard declared truthfully where he arrived at, he was obviously the truthful guard.
My Dungeon Master tried this once. The party had my bard take on the two guardians to figure out who was the liar. So my bard thinks for a moment, then finally asks "What's 2 plus 2?" One guard bitterly said "4", the other said "22." The DM was too busy laughing to be disappointed about his riddle being ruined.
The second guard was a programmer and had a bug dealing with strings rather than ints.
If he’d specified the rules correctly, you have one question that can only be asked to one of the guards, problem solved. The other problem, “After this announcement, only then can one guard only speak true and the other lie.”
Doesn’t take a genius to get it right, the answer’s a little more complicated, but I know it.
@AndrewHalliwell So, the way our DM did it, he said "Each of you is permitted to ask one question" there were four of us, so he was probably trying to make sure all of us could contribute, he just (for whatever reason) assumed that my bard, who's go-to move for the entire game was vicious mockery, wouldn't be a smart-ass in this one instance.
I mean, that's not really being a smartass that's just solving the riddle. What did the DM think was gonna happen?
@proton8239 in his defense, we absolutely botched a puzzle earlier mostly because someone in our group cant tell the difference between radius and diameter, so I don't blame him for simplifying it. But according to the DM, he figured we would ask questions specific to the dungeon or to the guardians to narrow down who was telling the truth. He just overlooked the fact that stupidly simple questions could break the puzzle. But, honestly, who cares? We laughed our asses off and have a funny story to tell, so who cares if we did the puzzle correctly.
…so mull that over.
Whoever gives the premise of the puzzle can never be the one who tells the lie to maintain integrity the of the puzzle.
Ross created a whole friggin paradox with TWO WORDS!!
This is why you always have a SIGN that says the rules 😂
(The liar wrote the sign....)
@@FlatOnHisFace hmm, well played good sir/ma'am/eldritch being
(And yes by eldritch being I mean you alphabetically inclined people. Pick an acronym and stick with it PLEASE!!!)
Then all you would need to do is ask them to read the sign lol
"What does that sign say?"
"so mull that over" killed me lmao
Take the goose across, go back, take the fox across, take the goose back, take the grain across, go back, take the goose across, boom
goose and fox are alone though on the other side while you get the grain.
@@RuneKatashima no cus I immediately take the goose back across
Or, alternatively: take the goose across. Go back empty. Take the grain across. Leave the fox, why do you have a fox? This version brought to you by XKCD.
@@RuneKatashima no the goose is in the boat with you
@@blackmoon8459or just take the grain. Why do you have a goose, it's a bastard.
You arrive at a gate with two guards.
Guard 1: Halt, traveler. You must solve our riddle to continue.
Guard 2: hErE wE gO
G1: ONE of us only tells the truth. The other only tells LIES.
G2: Jesus Christ, Daniel, I said I was sorry.
This is the second comment I've seen along these lines, is it a reference?
@EzaleaGraves I believe it's a reference to another game changer episode?? I have a vague memory of seeing this exact bit as another short
Ok that was a clever twist😂
@@EzaleaGravesit’s a tweet that I’m regurgitating.
The second he says “you have arrived” he announces that he’s the truther
"One of us always lies, the other also lies but they believe their lies and frankly it's becoming a real problem"
"Which way would the other guard tell me to go?"
"That way!"
"I'll go this way, then."
Thanks for this comment!
Other folks seem to be forgetting that the actual CRUX of the problem, if the setup is done *properly* is that you only have the ONE question to discern the liar from the truth-teller, and no *second* question in which to ask for the actual directions. 😋😋
im glad somebody else gets this one
Omg I had to visualise your comment, I get it now. Thank you!!
Accidentally causing a paradox
“You have arrived at a vork in the path..”
*Protagonist looks at the straight path he is standing on.*
Brennan is the guard that always lies, and Ross is the guard that only sometimes lies
Yes! The only logical conclusion to "I am the liar" is that he does lie but not right now. So the premise was clearly a lie. But we can't know if the first guard also can tell the truth, so getting any valuable information from them is impossible.
It's the "ok" for me that actually gets me! 😂
I had to actually pause this to figure out that “who the liar” “I am”
Dude I was baffled 💀
thing is, "he is" is just as broken: you answer with that, but if you're the liar, then you're lying, pointing at the other one. if you're not the liar, you're telling the truth. Neither can answer 'I am' and follow the logical problem of the 'always' part of 'lie/tell the truth'. the trick is that the one faced with the conundrum needs to ask a question were no matter who answers, the answer itself reveals the liar. I don't remember what the puzzles' actual "question-answer" is tho.
@@AlMcpherson79 You could just ask each of them how many guards guard the pathway
@@AlMcpherson79the answer is always to ask either guard which path the OTHER guard would tell you is correct, then take the opposite path. either you're speaking to the liar who is lying about which path the truther would point you towards, or you're speaking to the truther who is correctly telling you which path the liar would mislead you with.
You could just like ask what color an orange is, if he answers orange, he's the truth teller. If he answers anything else, he's the liar.
@@steveoconnivo9666 don't oranges start start out green and then ripen to orange?
I cannot say how much joy hearing Brennan make a labyrinth reference in his opening sentence made me…as soon as I read the task I said “labyrinth” out loud and pictured the two door knockers🥰
Mumble, mumble, mumble!
Same!! ✨
What a pity…
The first guy said the rules so he's the one telling the truth
"You have arrived at a fork-"
"If you were the one lying, you'd not call this a fork."
"Wait, no!"
The rest of the skit is Ross telling Brennan to not reveal so much info so that the logic puzzle could be bypassed.
He could be referring to cutlery, it could still be a lie.
“The other guard always lies”
“What he just said was the truth”
They were suppose to blame each other 😂😂
The correct response to “witch one of you is the lier is for both guards to say “I am not.””
*which
The funniest part about this is that Brennan has made up this scenario before already with the lion statues in Unsleeping City. They both had the exact same problem.
I’m pretty sure the scene in Labyrinth also played out similarly. I haven’t watched in a decade but they had a bit of an argument.
I love seeing these prompts and deciding where i would've taken it before they start and i see their approach.
I would've opened with "your honor, id like to bring in the two guards to the witness stand"
The Labyrinth and Poptropica have already trained me for those questions, I am immune.
GOD THE POPTROPICA QUEST… was that the greek pantheon island?? omg what a pull
@@thefinalfrontearMythology Island? One of my favs too. I remember playing that while my grandparents were looking after me when it was new and being too excited to stop playing and do something with them. What a time!
For me it was Yugioh lol
@@thefinalfrontearnabooti island, it also had the stone game mancala
If there is a fork in the path Brennen is telling the truth, if not He's the liar
if he's not telling the truth, then maybe both of them are liars since he's the one who stated that there's one lying and one telling the truth.
@fliptheflipped or one always lies, and the other can either lie or tell the truth
If Brenna is the liar this whole thing is fucked
@@fliptheflipped He could also just be lying for fun. I'm pretty sure if the one saying the prompt isn't telling the truth, there's no way to solve the puzzle, other than asking the same question forever until one of them cracks.
It may Seem the path is straightforward, but a keen eye will notice, half buried in the dirt, there is Indeed a Fork and therefore, he is the truth teller
The guards would just point at each other and say: “He is the liar.”
The guard just gives him the farmer's dilemma to distract him
I mean I'd trust the one who greeted me because he said where I am truthfully, at the fork in a path to the labyrinth
"One of us always tells the truth, the other always lies"
So you are the one that tells the truth
I love how the liar says hes the liar breaking his own lying rule😅
I like how for a moment the liar forgot to lie and admitted he played the role of a liar.
I love that it was word-for-word Labrynth, but they immediately broke after that one question ❤😂 And then distract with another riddle 🤣
I frickin love that movie!!
Brennan literally gives away that he is the truthful knight
Immediately
Me who just kicks one guard in a sensitive area and asks "Did that hurt?"
👁👄👁
I had a player doing this and the (truthsayer) guard's answer was "No it didn't, but not because I am a liar but because you are a weak pussy".
He solved the puzzle, but the emotional damage was not worth it.
The issue is, in this situation, there's often a caveat that you're only allowed _one_ question; _including_ the question of which path is correct...
The one who says the premise always tells the truth because he said the truth of the premise
@@mindofanidiot1
Or *did* he?
What if there are actually different rules?
XD
@@scarlett-parker in that case, just ask them if they have limbs and the one that says no is the fake
I love how this is probably nowhere near where almost anyone expected this to go, but it made it so much better
This is actually something I can imagine happening in a show/book
"You've arrived at a fork in the path-"
"No I haven't"
"...one of us always lies-"
"It's you"
"...no it isn't"
from the start the guards fucked up! the moment brennan explained that “one of them always lies and the other always tells the truth,” he told the traveler the truth which means the traveler would’ve had nothing to figure out 😂 love this man.
EDIT: y’all i’ve got like 10 of you saying that he could’ve just lied abt the premise, you don’t gotta repeat yourselves 😭🙏🏼 and also just my take on that idea, yea he could’ve but it was the prompt so idk lol
but if both guards sometimes lie and sometimes tell the truth... 😈
What if it's not the center of a labyrinth, though? Then they lied
Its called the Liar Paradox 😂
Unless he's the liar and he changed a rule of the game.
Or they're both liars
"I am" creates a paradox, "he is" would keep it right
For the record for the second riddle, bring the goose across, then the grain. But bring the goose back when you do so, then the fox, then the goose again.
Thank you! Everyone is commenting on the liar paradox but whenever I hear the boat animal riddle, I am stumped
I knew you had to do a Bring Something Back thing, ty!!! Scrolled for your comment.
The real answer is that you eat the goose, then bring the fox and grain over before it digests fully.
When I first saw Labyrinth, and the two guards laid out the premise, I immediately thought, "Wait, but one of them has to be lying...at least." So satisfying to hear someone else address this.
I found "how to beat the Labyrinth" and the guards puzzle is beatable with this rule - you get to ask one guard one question. The question you should ask is, what will the other guard say is the safe fork in the path?
If Path A is safe and Path B is unsafe, the lying guard will say that the other guard recommends Path B (he thinks you'll spot the lie.) The truthful guard, asked the same question, will say that the other guard lies and will recommend Path B (he also thinks you'll spot the lie.) The solution is to always choose Path A or the opposite of what either guard says.
I think another point at that scene is that it's taken for granted that any of the guards would be telling the truth.
The guards immediately frame Sarah's perception of them and the situation she is in.
@@ALTR.555 I want to make sure everyone understands the point here. If you consider that, while the guards are explaining the situation here, one of them is presumably lying, because he has to. This totally changes the challenge she faces.
It's so unbelievably funny and clever im dying
“You’ve arrived at a fork in your path,
One of us lies, and the other one tells the truth”
“…but there is no fork in the path…”
Immediately causes a logical paradox by accident and yet the scene is still perfect, these guys are improv gods
i like how its immediately given away just by him correctly stating where they are
This is a conversation between Para and Dox before Yugi and the gang walked in.
Thing is that since there are two people and two doors, there isn't a question that would have worked, which is why they just did a coin flip.
@@michaelcarlton1484Didn’t they have some question that solved it?
@@DeathnoteBB Only if it's one man.
Otherwise both paths will always be pointed at.
You can ask what door would the other one say is the correct door....(they will both point to the bad door. Either because you asked the truth teller and he shows you the bad door or you asked the liar who cant say the truth so must show you the bad door.)
I recently used this in a dnd game
Giving him busy work while they work it out is hilarious
The answer is; You take goose to the other side come back pick up the grain bring that to the other side but pick back up the goose, then bring the goose back drop it off pick up the fox bring it to the other side and come back and pick up the goose and bring it to the other side, boom!
The river riddles solution: Goose over the river, then the grain, take back the goose, bring over the fox, go back for the goose
I didn’t mean to break your whole thing…
NONONONononononononono!
The way they immediately slip into a world, WHILE CREATING IT!!!
When the one explains how it works that means he's the one that speaks the truth
Not only does declaring the premise break it, but saying “I am” to answer the question “which one of you is the liar” creates a paradox 😂