What everyone has failed to realise is that tyrion tricked Jon snow into killing daenerys, he's excuse was because she killed 10s of thousands in Kings landing, how many did cersi kill, with wildfire, having all the babies and young boys with dark hair murdered, the wars she started, but he sends Jamie to save her, he tricked Jon into killing daenerys to get revenge for his brother and sister been killed
well, no one who was still alive anyways. everyones story got ruined by crappy endings so bran by virtue of having almost no story after becoming the three eyed raven has the best one.
Man the GRRM himself said bran was the most difficult to write but his character is destroyed by D&D and its Bran destiny to be king in the books too i haven't read books but i feel that GRRM had a big plan for Bran. Sadly we are not gonna see the better version of GOT.
Maybe, since he is the Three-eyed Raven, Bran must rule over the entire Westeros and watch over it and not be a simple lord of something. Or at least this is what I tell myself to cover this crap.
I'm still upset the night King, the ultimate enemy, died half way through the season. It's like beating the final boss, then playing 3 more levels against crappy opponents
that he kept talking, does not mean 'bad writing' -- It means Greyworm didn't have as much POWER as he thought; Sansa, Arya, they wanted Tyrion to talk; so he talked
Your damn right Danny should have won the game of thrones she wanted to end slavery and servitude all over the world granted she went overboard destroying a city but she go cercei Lannister vile evil snake that she was
i just treat seasons 7 and 8 as non-canon. it’s the only way i could still look at the show without tarnishing the reputation of the first six seasons.
8 seasons for the most pathetic characters in the show to decide the fate of the greatest character in the show. Not a single strong character there. Pretty much everyone sitting there is some inferior character who was somebody's bitch or victim. It's about as woke as it can get. All the strong hard chargers are dead and the beats make the rules in the end
Season 1-4 will go down as some of the best television ever written. Season 5 was really good television. Season 6 and 7, bad television. Season 8, so bad it renders the whole of the series moot.
Tyrion: Bran the Broken Bran: Actually, just Bran is enough Tyrion: Bran the legs not so stark Bran: Oh my god, just stop it. Tyrion: Bran the Wheelie Wheelie, legs no feelie
@@ashharijaywardena Bran was the best non human choice yes I agree. But, if they were to choose a normal person with no super human powers the best choice would have been… **drumroll** NONE. The best choice would have been 7 independent kingdoms. Just like the old days. Dorne, Iron Islands, North/river lands, Stormlands, Reach, Westerlands, and the Vale of Arryn. The reach would be ruled by House: Hightower, Redwyne, or Gowan. The North by Sansa, Dorne by the Daynes, Yronwoods, or a distant Martell relation, Iron Islands by Yara(Asha in the books), Vale by Robin Arryn with Royce, Westerlands by Houses Marbrand, Banefort, Swyft, or Lydden, Stormlands by Gendry Baratheon or Houses Penrose, Velaryon, Estermont. Yea, those are the Most powerful people in Westeros. The books have a lot of options. Instead we get a Crippled boy who can’t control dragons to defeat the night king. But at least he can warg and is not apsychopath .. oh wait…
@Prince Sanji But so much on different level that Arya would be afraid to threaten. Remember, she did win that sparring fight against Brienne, Brienne defeated Jaime in their sword fight(Brienne also defeated the Hound and House killed the Moutain(but you could call the fight with the Mountain a draw)). Finally, ARYA KILLED THE FUCKING NIGHT KING. You really think she'd be afraid to threaten Grey Worm?
@@jasonbarbosa708 arya has insane amounts of plot armor and is just In general OP in season 8 , she's pretty much cardboard now, if it was an actual fight I think grey worm might win, unsullied don't feel fear remember, arya did especially against the WW
@Prince Sanji Arya is an assassin. She's smart. In a straight up fight Grey Worm might win. But she knows not to take on a stronger enemy face to face. She'd find a way to kill Grey Worm discreetly. She'd have killed half the Unsullied before anyone realized what happened. No matter what they decided Arya wouldn't have let anyone kill Jon. Threatening Yara was meant to signify that they weren't afraid oh her,nor interested in her opinions. Sansa was the leader of the North,she threatened the leader of the unsullied, Arya threatened mayfly lackies like Yaea.
Yeah. We have to remember that Westeros is a heavily entrenched feudal society, with no Greco-Roman tradition to get ideas from. Plus, a functioning democratic republic requires a citizenry that is well-informed and vigilant, neither of which the Westerosi peasant exhibit. Not to mention that Westeros isn't as urbanized as Europe, and therefore does not have the growing middle class necessary to make the transition from manorialism to capitalism. Thus the landed nobility still holds most power.
King of the SIX Kingdoms. Don't forget their brilliant strategic decision to let one of the kingdoms declare their own monarchy. I'm sure the other 6 Kingdoms won't think anything of that...
"Who else has a better story than Bran the Broken?" Well, Jon died and came back to life, Sansa was sold to the Boltons and survived, Arya lost her sight and later had it returned, Tyrion himself escaped execution by killing his father and then travelled across the Seven Kingdoms to meet Daenerys, hell even Sam managed to cure someone of a deadly disease no one else knew about AFTER leaving the Wall. But no, Bran is the King. Sure.
I think this may be the question that we never get answered....how far back was TYRION and/or Bran planning this or were they? Was it really just desperation? Did TYRION con Jon?
I get why Jon couldn’t be King. There would be war with the Unsullied. They could’ve at least acknowledged it though. Tyrion: “Jon is the rightful heir to become king.” Greyworm: “You make him your king and we will execute him right now. We will avenge our queen that he murdered. We don’t care if it brings a war between us.” There. Done. Explains away why he can’t become king. What’s funny is how Gendry isn’t even considered. He is Robert Baratheon’s last living son. Robert Baratheon was king. Gendry has a legitimate birthright to the throne and isn’t even acknowledged. Not saying he’d be a good king. Just they kinda forgot the whole “feudal birthright” succession in this scene is all.
I still can't believe they did this. It's soo stupid. It doesn't make sense. Bran said it himself when Sansa offered him Winterfell. His 'rightful' place as Neds last living son. 'I'm the three eyed raven I cant be lord of anything' but he can be king? D&D should be ashamed of them selves.
“Let’s make a handicapped teenager who doesn’t want the crown to be King.. Any objections from the prisoner who’s about to be convicted for treason? No? Okay. What’s your first wish my King?” “Give the North independence” 10/10 story writing.
Imagine the political shit show that would follow Bran becoming king then immediately letting the North go. His own people. WTF? And why would the north follow Sansa instead of Bran at that point? He is the highest seated Stark on the continent. Did George not oversee ANY of this??
@Master Devoe A million better people, and apparently a million better people to decide who should be king too. Tyrion literally handed the entire realm to Bronn. A sellsword who doesn't know what interest is.
@Master Devoe He's also lord of the Reach. A place that feeds most of the kingdoms. With their new vote in a new king system, Bronn holds all the power. Whoever he wants king will be seated, or "we stop feeding your people" Or we make you pay more for grain if you won't vote for this guy. He can strong arm anything he wants now. Season 1-4 Tyrion would know this, and wouldn't have been this stupid lol.
it was implied that some Unsullied went through failed mutilation, that it possible that they can reproduce it seems greyworm was one of them as she slept with Missandei also possible that they just scissored and if that what happened Unsullied could adopt.
This scene was the final cherry on top of the shit the writers took on Yara's character. Her whole story from day 1 is about becoming the leader of her people and fighting for independence from the Iron Throne. And yet here she gets scared into silence from a 45kg girl who dropped out of assassin school and then proceeds to vote her brother as king even though Yara never even met him. Instead of doing what Sansa did which was to declare independence for her own kingdom.
Arya bothers me in this whole scene and season. She thinks she know it all and she does not. Her and Sansa did not even give dany a chance and they did not respect jons opinion. Terrible just terrible
In my mind, a couple of days later, offscreen, Bran summons Yara and tells her that she can have regional autonomy but only if she marries Tyrion as Lord of the Westerlands and agrees an anti-reaving trade treaty with him.
No. Yara did not fight during the Long Night . She stayed in her island, safe. She has no right to demand today independence, her pact was with Dany who is Dead . The North, indeed, has fought the Nk, and lost half of the northeners armies defending ALL WESTEROS. Plus , the North had already fought for declaring the independence 2 times with Robb and jon. Plus they have Military Credits with Arya Stark who basically won the battle along ( the dragons were in the end useless against the NK ). So, yes, the North deserves the Indipendence, while YARA AND DORNE DON 'T.
It's clear that Dumb & Dumber didn't give a shit about any characters other than the Starks...poor Yara, she was such an awesome character...and then in Season 8 she doesn't even mourn her brother's death, gets scared of dumbass Arya, and fucks off under Stark rule
Arya killing the night king, Dany being an idiot, Jon killing Dany and not becoming king over Bran. I didn't know you could jump a shark so many times in one season but here we are.
I'm pretty sure arya killing the night king was in the outline martin sent to the producers. I don't have a problem with that. The issue is that it was rushed and anti climatic
@@nathancardenas2719 it is absolutely not, Martin has criticized this choice on a number of occasions saying "if you set up a story to where the baker is the murderer and you give clues through out the story but then it is somebody else at the very last second, then its not a very good story" Jon was the person set up to do this, the clues have been there throughout the story, those hacks just changed it to be special
@@nathancardenas2719 lol bro if GRRM accepted night kings end then he should stop writing bro there is a three hundred years of prophecy of killing night king you better know that
Arya killing night king is fine, nobody can kill night king in 1v1 fair fight. It should be something unbelievable. Dany being idiot is understandable after she lost her two dragons and the girl. Cersi was not expecting that from her and that scene broke her from inside. She was not afraid of death but that scene changed her. Dany doesn't wanted to give her easy death.
Bran story: 1. Asking for help. 2.Watch people die for him and he does nothing 3. Use his ability to find out Jon's secret and use it to create a conflict between Jon and Dany
You can tell this is bad writing. Tyrion is allowed to speak despite being yelled at not to The North gains their independence, what is stopping Dorne and the Iron Islands for demanding the same thing? Dorne has the strongest army now and the Iron Islands have been fighting to remain independent for centuries. So why do they easily fold? Bran can apparently see into the future but still led Theon to his death, didn't help stop Danny or warn her advisors what she would do. Asking Tyrion to become King.
Dorne joined the Seven Kingdoms willingly and it's not in their best interest to leave. Yara's deal was with Dany under the condition the Ironborn stopped their raids on Westeros. With The Tully's not keen on the Ironborn, they won't get it.
Dany's advisors were useless because she made it clear it's fire and blood no matter how many times they tried to talk her out of it. Why do you think Varys was having second thoughts? In his arrogance Tyrion thought he could control Dany. He couldn't and Bran didn't lead Theon to his death. Theon volunteered.
Why would Dorne stay? The north left. Dorne still has its armies. Explain why it is in their best interest not to leave? Dany is dead. Why should the Iron Islands keep their promise with someone they didnt promise or deal with to begin with? Tully have nothing to do with the Iron Born. They dealt with Dany, not Bran. The north gains independence and Bran, a Stark so happens to be King to allow that. Yea, Dorne and Yara def would not just sit by and let that happen because it goes against the logic and mentality of humans in these positions of power. Bran still knew Arya would kill the NK yet still didnt stop Theon.
Dany becoming mad isnt the problem. It is how she became it. She seems stupid enough to not go after the Red Keep right away after taking out the defenses but goes after all the smallfolk. Because of that, Cersei was allowed to escape and didnt even directly die by her hands. She managed to die with someone she loved. Dany gave Cersei a better death than the people under her rule. Dany was always ruthless to her ENEMIES AND THOSE IN POWER. She freed slaves and those under the rule. Breaking the wheel doesnt mean killing everyone
This just proves Bran always wanted to be king, he was manipulating future, that's the reason a guy denying lordship of North, agreed to be a king and said "why else have I come so far?" , He is the real dark person here
This shit was flat out dumb. They send jon to the wall to make unsullied happy, then they get on a boat and leave???? Really??? After everything jon did for the whole kingdom. Oh yea, what was the point of telling us jon was a targaryen again?
Yeah, Jon being a Targaryen only really served as a plot device to make Daenarys go crazy. It wouldn’t have been mattered if she just ignored Tyrion’s advice and attacked King’s Landing in season 7 instead. And it’s pretty funny the Unsullied just fuck off and trust Jon’a brother as the King to ensure Jon’s punishment when Greyworm leaves. Like what?
Getting Jon to tell about his Targaryen side was just his sisters ploy to bring down Dragon Queen Dany. The writing was bum rush crap..both of them did alot to save everyone
Season 1:We need more people to fight the White Walkers Season 2:We need more people to fight the White Walkers Season 3:We need more people to fight the White Walkers Season 4:We need more people to fight the White Walkers Season 5:We need more people to fight the White Walkers Season 6:We need more people to fight the White Walkers Season 7:We need more people to fight the White Walkers Season 8: Oops.. Nevermind guys! We just needed 1 little girl this entire time.
@@rajeevkalangi2472 lmao there was more unsullied and dothraki than there was of the northern soldiers they could have easily defeated them. The whole ending was stupid
@@varric He's improving. If you watch this entire scene carefully, you can see Robin is still staring off into space rather than paying attention. This is a meeting to decide the future of the Seven Kingdoms and he can't be bothered to pay attention, lol. He has shown vast improvements since his early season appearances, though. Maybe he'll become a somewhat capable lord after all, if he continues to improve.
@@TheAstroflight nah, Gendry is nothing like Robert. The closest Baratheon to Robert was probably Renly, who also acted hastily and with sex on the brain.
"YOU ARE NOT HERE TO SPEAK" *proceeds to let him choose their new king* The first minute and a half of this clip perfectly illustrates why it would have been impossible for them to actually come to a unanimous decision on who would be their new king at this meeting and why it would make much more sense for them all to go their separate ways and choose to be Seven Kingdoms again. What takes place after this feels like a different scene altogether. Also, Gendry looks so out of place at this meeting. 😂
Also Davos' idea to give a former slave turned militant fanatic general a hold fast and suggesting they build a house is so fucking stupid. That would absolutely come to bite them in the ass in the future
To be honest, this scene pisses me off. Tyrion had been acting like an idiot for the last two seasons. He is considered a King killer, so why would anyone ask his opinion at this point, much less let him pick the new king?
He's Arya's love and Jon's good friend and he just f***ing sits there...and says nothing. Someone said they saw a script that he was supposed to be mad like Yara was. But then....that would make even LESS SENSE.
Exactly finally someone agrees dany and Jon were never the true hair only members of the Baratheon family which is only a bastard legitimized into the only male heir of Robert Baratheon. Robert took the throne by the rights of conquest
By that logic Baratheon was superseded by Lannister. As Queen Cersei I died without a child the succession should pass to her younger brother, Tyrion. History doesn't really care who's "the rightful king" anyway, whoever is strongest is the rightful king. Baratheon, Targaryan didn't win the throne by asking nicely.
Oh good idea. Encourage the army of men to make their own house that'll die in the first generation because they can't have children brcusde they're Eunuch's!
Tyrion: Wait, you said Jon and I should be punished, but as soon as a random kid in a wheelchair you've never even met tells you to let us go you're fine with it? Grey Worm: i make joke
The Bran says the past is the present. He go back in time or something. And so maybe if Bran no become king, I never get to meet Missandei from the isle of Narth. Or something
This scene makes another thing clear as well, this "dornish prince" shows how terribly the show treated Dorne! There is such a great story in the novels, and on TV we had a "Sand Mess" .
@@Sawrattan I respect your opinion, but I can't share it. In my eyes it was a foolhardy decision to adapt the novels of GRRM before the last book is finished! So we had a painful downfall.
Greyworm won't let Jon come out and yells at Tyrion for talking but he's cool with them choosing a king who will instantly take power away from him. Wow.
@Jedi Temple Guard Replace South with Eastern Europe, the rest of it is the West. It's also a joke, not the beginning of an enlightened philosophical argument.
@Isha Fatty but still Bran was the only option since Jon didnt want it in any case, and Dany was dead. It's implicite that everyone knows now the 3 eyd raven, his abilities (sovrannatural power, most of them had seen it with eyes) and what he did to save the world... Bran basically destroyed both the ice magic and fire magic from the world. And we know that is the end of the books too that cames from Martin. That was his destiny from the first, to rebuild the Peace in the 7 Kingdoms after eliminating ire and fire magic... Dorne and Yara have to shut the fuck up, since they did nothing during the Long Night, while the North sacrificed 20000 men to save all Westeros fighting with Dany (and Arya Stark won the war in the end)... These are military credits : the lords accept the peace because they showed gratitude to the North and what it Did. They have no right to demand indipendence, since they didn't fight in the long night. Plus, the North has already declared itself a kingdom other 2 times recently thanks to Ned assassination who was a crime unjustified against the North. So simply the North was ALREADY FREE before, since Dany is dead. Bran is not only the best choose, but only the only one possible. Plus, if you think Bran is the next heir to the Throne : he is the cousin of Jon, Jon is not married and has no sons... Basically Brandon Stark is the next heir to Jon. Beside that, obviously he is chosen for his abilities, that I repeat, today are known in all the 7 Kingdoms
There's headcanon that Bran is actually the villain of the entire story. It's proven he can possess people, and has near omniscience. Would certainly explain why certain characters in the later seasons chose to act different than they did the entire rest of the story (Tyrion taking a huge shot to his intelligence at all the right times, Dany becoming a reckless genocidal despot when it was convenient, etc.). Bran manipulated everything to kill all other competitors and take the throne, minus one kingdom he'll easily get back once his sister botches leadership of it.
People trying to "head cannon" this complete shit show to try and have it make sense are just as disgraceful as the crappy writers. Not for even one single scene at any point at all during the show is it alluded to that Bran is playing chess to be king. Not even once. You're brain is making up nonsense.
My thoughts exactly. I've been pondering for a long time- I would bet that when Bran spent his time in Winterfell's godswood learning about his abilities, he was actually practising warging into people. That would explain EVERY one of everyone's behaviour that was out of character/pattern.
They were negotiating contracts for Star Trek or Star Wars or something on the phone while writing this with their left hand without looking. That's how.
This scene would’ve been good if we got 10 seasons like Martin wanted and if Bran didn’t say “I can’t be king of anything” and “Why do you think I came all this way”
I love how in the books it's stated early on, like right after his fall, that since Bran is paralyzed from the waist down, he can't have heirs. They stuck the one person in all of Westeros on the Iron Throne that can't bear successors.
@@RennaReiss You do realize that choosing a king will only lead to a civil war right... since obviously... after Brans death all the lords are gonna vote for themselves instead of someone else and at that point (Brans death)... the only ones possibly still being alive on that counsil are Samwell, Gendry, Sansa and Arya, but they are hella old and the North doesn't even count then anymore either, cuz they independent.
@@RennaReissI Mean yeah, since they're choosing kings now, a guy who can't have children is a proper start. Besides they've had enough problems with the former heirs taking over the throne anyway.
I really hate Arya now because she is just a pompous little shit who can kill anyone and survive anything with hardly any training because her plot armor is so thick there isnt even a word to describe how ridiculously thick it is.
WTF Yara is talking about? First Ironborn betrayed North and because of that Cersei became a tyrant, when they betrayed her and helped Euron to serve Cersei. Apart Theon, her and those who survived Euron's attack, Ironborn are traitors
They didn't betray the North. You cannot betray which is not allied to you. The Ironborn rebelled first and the North helped to defeat it. Then, the Ironborn seized an opportunity once the North was on rebellion . And, you seem to forget that since Yara and Theon had a deal with Daenerys, it makes sense for her to stand against the Starks. (And this scene is stupid to not show anyone protesting against Bran being king. Every Kingdom being independent would have been more believable)
sansa did, she told tyrion but tyrion and the writer chose to ignore it anyway. and also kudos to sansa not bending the knee to anyone, not even to her own brother. she did exactly what her brother and mother died trying to do. she freed north as promised, doesn't matter even if a stark is ruling the 7 kingdoms, freedom of North was achieved.
I think the complaints about "Bran the Broken" are overstated. Not only does Bran call himself that in the books, at first mockingly, but Tyrion's most notable line in the series is where he says to use your weaknesses as armor, so nobody can use them against you. It's the same reason he calls Jon "bastard" in maybe the second episode. And even in this episode he calls himself "imp". He has a liking of broken things, as he always always has said.
It's an absolute travesty how Stannis Baratheon was portrayed as a daughter killer and unceremoniously killed off in the TV show. In the books Stannis is one of the best characters around and definitely one of the best candidates for the throne of westeros. He is a very capable leader who might at first seem stern and aloof but as the books explore his story more and more, we can see a man who definitely cares about his duties as a leader and as a family man.
Isn't there an excerpt from Winds of Winter where he even sends off his daughter with some of his most trusted guards to Braavos? I find it interesting that his daughter might have a future very similar to Dany's without the dragons.
Tyrion : "Jon committed his crime here. It's fate would be decided from our King... Or Queen" Tyrion. For real man?. Did this chicken shit just hided the fact that he schemed the murder of his Queen with Jon, to save his own ass?. 😬😬. And also ending up as hand of the King, that he got to pick while sending Jon to exile for the "Greater Good" as well?. FFS D&D. You ruined Tyrion, completely.
No. This was Tyrion. That survival by any means necessary matra of the Lannister family was showing. Tyrion has talked his way out more than one sticky situation. And Jon shouldn't have needed it pointed out that Daenerys had lost her mind. The next stop would've been Winterfell. No way would he have let his siblings die.
@@janellejulianajoy Let's not try to apply the logic, on what SHOULD have happened. Cause alot of characters lost there previous personalities this season for plot convenience. And things just kept happening this season. No consequences, no stakes. Nothing. Just everything conveniently falling into place, like some ridiculous Disney movie. Just go by what the show gave you, instead of trying to excuse it. And last time I checked, "A lannister always pays his debts" is there mantra. And "Hear me Roar" is there house moto. So I have no clue what you're saying there, about survival. You obviously don't have a clue either. Jon, could have easily asked Tyrion how he got away with his betrayal as well. Since Tyrion responded that they both did it, when Jon was having doubts if it was the right thing to do. But naaa. That would create friction between them, and D&D can't have that.
"This chicken sh**" LMAOOOOOO Funny comment aside, I agree wholeheartedly. He was a much darker character in the novels in terms of morality, but there was nothing in the series to support him becoming anything of the sort, and D&D clearly didn't intend for him to be seen as a "chicken sh**", they probably thought that the audience would see him, Bran, and Sansa as the heroes... which I do not see at all (in this season).
Tyrion: And who has a better story than ... Meatpie! He knew he’d always eat too much, so he learned to prepare food! Everyone: Hail Meatpie the Obese, King of the Six Kingdoms! Sansa: No, Seven Kingdoms! I’ve decided to rejoin, to get those delicious Meatpies! Meatpie: Thank you, thank you, my good people. Let the banqueting begin. Grey Worm: Mmmm! King Meatpie, these meatpies are absolutely delicious! What are they made of? Meatpie: These pies are made of the people of King’s Landing. They did not die in vain. Tyrion (sadly): You mean that Dany was such an excellent .... Cook? Bran: Yum yum! Now I’ve Really got to get Drogon back!
They needed more scenes with Bran (Three Eyed Raven/Crow) showing he was using everyone as chess pieces to claim the throne. I think that’s what basically happens, but since they rushed everything it just felt like Bran got the throne because he had powers. He was the true antagonist of the series, but since they hurried everything along, it’s dissatisfying.
Lol no, no evidence of that is there at all. It isn't matter of them not fleshing that out. Its a matter of your silly brain making excuses for this pile of dog shit.
Few scenes I wished that would have made it the best series ever!!! 1. Jamie not going back to cersi and dying in battle of winter-fell. 2. Jon was the best swordsman and yet in battle of kings landing his role was limited to nothing. By Jon leading the war and making decisions in final battle. 3. Danerys killing cersi by dragon fire as part of his rage. Cersi death was stupid and harmless as compared to what she did to everyone. 4. Arya had such a big transfer and role by killing night king and yet her role in final battle was zero. By Arya getting to kill Daenerys and then vanishing as Jaqen Hghar secretly. 5. Jon transformation from a great swordman and not a king material to a King. 6. Bran to continue the three eyed raven. 7. Sansa as lady of winterfell was fine.
"Let's make Bran the new king." "Bran died with Hodor. I'm just the narrator." "Then tell us how this ends." "You make the narrator king." "Ok." "The End."
@Semper fidelis Semper Paratus theon was super loyal to the Starks, and died for Jon. And now Yara, his loyal and trusting sister, forgot. And forgot about his death all together.
An oligarchy instead of a monarchy is essentially breaking the wheel.... and then replacing it with another wheel that only has minor differences. I mean when you think about it people in the future are still going to backstab, wage wars and connive to be the king, just do it in a different way. Just a new set of rules for the game of thrones.
It still is no doubt a step in the progression towards democracy, which resembles history. That is, I'm sure, what Martin would prefer to do. Dany's concept of breaking the wheel was unfortunately going to be much worse than what they decided here.
@@truehistory8440 Dany's vision was a cult god-king monarchy, which has more to do with her Essosi upbringing than her Targaryen heritage. It's funny that she liberated slaves, since she thrives on slavish adoration more than Cersei and Sansa.
@@truehistory8440 Historically, elective royalty is the step BEFORE hereditary royalty. Elective royalty evolves to hereditary royalty by having the son elected after the father for several generation. Then, hereditary royalty is overthrown in some violent event (revolution, war or even both), leading to the building of a republic. This is how it works in History. What is the next step after republic ? We have the precedent of the Roman Republic that became a military dictatorship (currently called «Roman Empire»). Are current republics doomed to end up like that ? Well... Who knows?
1:12 "Make it your own, start your own house" Did this man literally offer the Unsullied, men who can't reproduce, the opportunity to start their own house?
Really thought we were gonna get a Targaryen dynasty, with Jon having blood of the north and south and Dany ruler of the eastern nations. They would of been rulers of the entire realm, a perfect ending ffs.
I like the idea of Dany ruling Essos, but she made it very clear from the start that she was determined to rule all Westeros. She was much better psychologically suited to the east.
The moment you realise the Night King was actually trying to stop a bullshit ending for game of thrones by killing Bran 😂
Lol true
The Night King was right
Would have preferred Cersei marrying the Night King and killing of the Stark brats
@@listrahtes That actually would've been dope.
Exactly😃😃😃
I love how they build up the fact that Jon is Rhaegar and Lyanna's son and heir to the Iron Throne... and it meant nothing
What everyone has failed to realise is that tyrion tricked Jon snow into killing daenerys, he's excuse was because she killed 10s of thousands in Kings landing, how many did cersi kill, with wildfire, having all the babies and young boys with dark hair murdered, the wars she started, but he sends Jamie to save her, he tricked Jon into killing daenerys to get revenge for his brother and sister been killed
@@ipfreely679 whatever it be but Dany's crime was not forgivable by any means
@@ipfreely679 what's it like in your world?
@@ipfreely679 yeah, but the difference is that Cersei was the villain and Daenerys the hero... So
Jon Snow is king. King Beyond the Wall. With the free folk.
Tyrion: _" . . . and who has a better story than Bran the Broken?"_
Me: "Literally everyone else in the GOT universe."
well, no one who was still alive anyways. everyones story got ruined by crappy endings so bran by virtue of having almost no story after becoming the three eyed raven has the best one.
@@philip8498 ….I hate that you’re right.
@@jinx1987 Shit... he is right.
Man the GRRM himself said bran was the most difficult to write but his character is destroyed by D&D and its Bran destiny to be king in the books too i haven't read books but i feel that GRRM had a big plan for Bran. Sadly we are not gonna see the better version of GOT.
@@jinx1987 🤣
"I can never be lord of anything"
"King however..."
@lo l He's only king because he's a fitting figurehead and naturally gifted superspy. If they wanted an actual decision-maker, he'd suck.
That one quote and then he becomes king annoys the crap out of me
Maybe, since he is the Three-eyed Raven, Bran must rule over the entire Westeros and watch over it and not be a simple lord of something. Or at least this is what I tell myself to cover this crap.
King -> lord of the seven kingdoms...
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..,,
To be honest, at this point I would have fully supported the miraculous return of the Night King.
Lmfaooo 🤣
I'm still upset the night King, the ultimate enemy, died half way through the season. It's like beating the final boss, then playing 3 more levels against crappy opponents
I mean, after the end of season 1 I was expecting the white walkers to have a chance if winning
@@battousaithekingslayer9913 😂😂😂😂😂
"Somehow, Palpatine has returned."
I love how Grey Worm told Tyrion he would not speak, and then Tyrion spoke for 15 minutes straight and named the new king. Great writing.
"NO MORE TALKING!!!!" lol
I feel like the unsullied got cheated. Wish they killed sansa.
@@Carnage0583 Your trolling is less than a 1 out of 10. Try harder
that he kept talking, does not mean 'bad writing' -- It means Greyworm didn't have as much POWER as he thought; Sansa, Arya, they wanted Tyrion to talk; so he talked
Right? 🤣🤣🤣
Arya is sailing to America to murder the writers of season 8.
I rather Drogon did the job
LMFAO
Of course she is, she has an army of millions with her, counting me and all the people who FUCKING HATES THE LAST SEASON WTF D&D
@@dolengea1523 she doesnt need you she just teleport like she did with the nk
One can dream
This is the greatest joke ever said on television history
Joker: "it'd be funny if it werent so pathetic....oh what the hell I'll laugh anyway. HAHAHAHAHA!"
All this abomination of a scene is missing is a laugh track when Tyrion says "bRaN tHE bRoKEn"
show pretty face plz
Your damn right Danny should have won the game of thrones she wanted to end slavery and servitude all over the world granted she went overboard destroying a city but she go cercei Lannister vile evil snake that she was
Absolutely
This has to be the most anticlimactic finale in television history. It’s been well over 2 years and season 8 still hurts to watch.
Totally agree with you .. season 8 hurts so much to watch, especially the last three episodes.
I rewatch all the seasons except 8. Although I did enjoy the first 3 episodes.
i just treat seasons 7 and 8 as non-canon. it’s the only way i could still look at the show without tarnishing the reputation of the first six seasons.
8 seasons for the most pathetic characters in the show to decide the fate of the greatest character in the show. Not a single strong character there. Pretty much everyone sitting there is some inferior character who was somebody's bitch or victim. It's about as woke as it can get. All the strong hard chargers are dead and the beats make the rules in the end
Season 1-4 will go down as some of the best television ever written. Season 5 was really good television. Season 6 and 7, bad television. Season 8, so bad it renders the whole of the series moot.
Tyrion: Bran the Broken
Bran: Actually, just Bran is enough
Tyrion: Bran the legs not so stark
Bran: Oh my god, just stop it.
Tyrion: Bran the Wheelie Wheelie, legs no feelie
This is underrated 😂😂
Bahahaha!
I think Bran WAS the best choice for the throne, but this is hilarious :D
They need to do a family guy episode with these lines. Good job, Hilarious!!
@@ashharijaywardena Bran was the best non human choice yes I agree. But, if they were to choose a normal person with no super human powers the best choice would have been… **drumroll** NONE. The best choice would have been 7 independent kingdoms. Just like the old days. Dorne, Iron Islands, North/river lands, Stormlands, Reach, Westerlands, and the Vale of Arryn. The reach would be ruled by House: Hightower, Redwyne, or Gowan. The North by Sansa, Dorne by the Daynes, Yronwoods, or a distant Martell relation, Iron Islands by Yara(Asha in the books), Vale by Robin Arryn with Royce, Westerlands by Houses Marbrand, Banefort, Swyft, or Lydden, Stormlands by Gendry Baratheon or Houses Penrose, Velaryon, Estermont. Yea, those are the Most powerful people in Westeros. The books have a lot of options. Instead we get a Crippled boy who can’t control dragons to defeat the night king. But at least he can warg and is not apsychopath .. oh wait…
I love the fact that Arya still calls Jon her brother and threatens anyone who wants him dead
@Prince Sanji Something tells me she wouldn't have been afraid to threaten Grey Worm.
@Prince Sanji But so much on different level that Arya would be afraid to threaten. Remember, she did win that sparring fight against Brienne, Brienne defeated Jaime in their sword fight(Brienne also defeated the Hound and House killed the Moutain(but you could call the fight with the Mountain a draw)). Finally, ARYA KILLED THE FUCKING NIGHT KING. You really think she'd be afraid to threaten Grey Worm?
@Prince Sanji Arya would destroy grey worm
@@jasonbarbosa708 arya has insane amounts of plot armor and is just In general OP in season 8 , she's pretty much cardboard now, if it was an actual fight I think grey worm might win, unsullied don't feel fear remember, arya did especially against the WW
@Prince Sanji Arya is an assassin. She's smart. In a straight up fight Grey Worm might win. But she knows not to take on a stronger enemy face to face. She'd find a way to kill Grey Worm discreetly. She'd have killed half the Unsullied before anyone realized what happened. No matter what they decided Arya wouldn't have let anyone kill Jon.
Threatening Yara was meant to signify that they weren't afraid oh her,nor interested in her opinions. Sansa was the leader of the North,she threatened the leader of the unsullied, Arya threatened mayfly lackies like Yaea.
I think the best part of the whole series was where Sam got up and suggested democracy and everybody laughed at him.
Despite the fact that the Iron born and the Nights Watch elect leaders by popular vote.
@@randeli7785 little easier with small populations in small areas.
@@DVankeuren
They laughed at the idea of it, not how hard it would be.
Yeah. We have to remember that Westeros is a heavily entrenched feudal society, with no Greco-Roman tradition to get ideas from. Plus, a functioning democratic republic requires a citizenry that is well-informed and vigilant, neither of which the Westerosi peasant exhibit.
Not to mention that Westeros isn't as urbanized as Europe, and therefore does not have the growing middle class necessary to make the transition from manorialism to capitalism. Thus the landed nobility still holds most power.
@@ladygrey7425 "well-informed and vigilant" that would explain why democracy doesnt work in the real world lmao
"I can never be Lord of anything, I am the three eyed Raven", Bran Stark, King of the seven kingdoms and protector of the realm.
LORD Protector.
Why do you think I came all this way? :>
Actually its king of 6 Kingdoms, as her sister (sansa) became queen of the 7th one.
And when he is dead, there will be war because he has no heirs.
King of the SIX Kingdoms. Don't forget their brilliant strategic decision to let one of the kingdoms declare their own monarchy. I'm sure the other 6 Kingdoms won't think anything of that...
Did yara forgot that her brother died fighting for the Starks?
Ser-N7-Specialist Or that she bent to knee to Daenerys in return for Ironborn independence.
Her brother also betrayed the Starks. Why should she care?
@@kirbywinter And apparently lost it when Bran became King.
he'd still be alive if it weren't for the starks and their night king problem
Allot of things were forgotten by the characters. And sense too, just thrown into the garbage except that coffee cup.
"Who else has a better story than Bran the Broken?"
Well, Jon died and came back to life, Sansa was sold to the Boltons and survived, Arya lost her sight and later had it returned, Tyrion himself escaped execution by killing his father and then travelled across the Seven Kingdoms to meet Daenerys, hell even Sam managed to cure someone of a deadly disease no one else knew about AFTER leaving the Wall.
But no, Bran is the King. Sure.
Bran is the best choice, but choosing a king based on their life story? That's fucking stupid.
Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're one
@@andreashort310
you're using logic with a dumbass.
Nine realms? You mean seven Kingdoms?
Bran wasn’t the best choice at all
Jon was
I hate how Tyrion changed his opinion about the heir of throne from jon to bran
Jon’s birthright was a huge point of the series but they choose to ignore it to
‘SuBvERt eXPeCtatIoNs’
D&D kinda forgot.
@Missy T
There was, it led to Daenerys losing her lover and claim to the throne and going mad.
I think this may be the question that we never get answered....how far back was TYRION and/or Bran planning this or were they? Was it really just desperation? Did TYRION con Jon?
I get why Jon couldn’t be King. There would be war with the Unsullied. They could’ve at least acknowledged it though.
Tyrion: “Jon is the rightful heir to become king.”
Greyworm: “You make him your king and we will execute him right now. We will avenge our queen that he murdered. We don’t care if it brings a war between us.”
There. Done. Explains away why he can’t become king.
What’s funny is how Gendry isn’t even considered. He is Robert Baratheon’s last living son. Robert Baratheon was king. Gendry has a legitimate birthright to the throne and isn’t even acknowledged.
Not saying he’d be a good king. Just they kinda forgot the whole “feudal birthright” succession in this scene is all.
I still can't believe they did this.
It's soo stupid. It doesn't make sense.
Bran said it himself when Sansa offered him Winterfell. His 'rightful' place as Neds last living son.
'I'm the three eyed raven I cant be lord of anything' but he can be king? D&D should be ashamed of them selves.
“Let’s make a handicapped teenager who doesn’t want the crown to be King.. Any objections from the prisoner who’s about to be convicted for treason? No? Okay. What’s your first wish my King?”
“Give the North independence”
10/10 story writing.
Yes that was dumb. The only thing I liked about the finale was Sansa being Queen of the North. The rest of it was awful.
Imagine the political shit show that would follow Bran becoming king then immediately letting the North go. His own people. WTF? And why would the north follow Sansa instead of Bran at that point? He is the highest seated Stark on the continent.
Did George not oversee ANY of this??
@@LBF522Sansa is tyrions queen, they’re still married. Tyrion is hand of the king and King of the north
Can't even watch this scene, 4 months later and I'm still pissed at this .. literally
The worst prank ever played on fans.
@Master Devoe Danny 100%
Hell Yeah!
@Master Devoe A million better people, and apparently a million better people to decide who should be king too. Tyrion literally handed the entire realm to Bronn. A sellsword who doesn't know what interest is.
@Master Devoe He's also lord of the Reach. A place that feeds most of the kingdoms. With their new vote in a new king system, Bronn holds all the power. Whoever he wants king will be seated, or "we stop feeding your people" Or we make you pay more for grain if you won't vote for this guy. He can strong arm anything he wants now.
Season 1-4 Tyrion would know this, and wouldn't have been this stupid lol.
Bran has the best story.
So good, it was left out entirely in season 5.
i didn’t even notice he wasn’t there…
Well there was that part where he layed on a sled and sat in a chair for 7 seasons
😂😂😂😂
Oh how I love the skip button whenever his annoying crippled ass appeared on screen in that random cave with fairies
He was missing and didn’t do much for 7 seasons
Davos: "Start your own house Greyworm, even though we know you will only last for one generation" 😂😂😂 I swear, this terrible writing is hilarious!
When Dumb & Dumber wrote the scripts
Yeah, I was kind of wondering how that was supposed to work. They're unsullied. Unsullied by any ambitions to be fathers.
House Worm, how the fck he reproduce?
it was implied that some Unsullied went through failed mutilation, that it possible that they can reproduce it seems greyworm was one of them as she slept with Missandei also possible that they just scissored and if that what happened Unsullied could adopt.
@@asahel980 Lmfaoooo brooo
This scene was the final cherry on top of the shit the writers took on Yara's character. Her whole story from day 1 is about becoming the leader of her people and fighting for independence from the Iron Throne. And yet here she gets scared into silence from a 45kg girl who dropped out of assassin school and then proceeds to vote her brother as king even though Yara never even met him. Instead of doing what Sansa did which was to declare independence for her own kingdom.
That 45kg girl could kill years before she gets out of her chair.
Arya bothers me in this whole scene and season. She thinks she know it all and she does not. Her and Sansa did not even give dany a chance and they did not respect jons opinion. Terrible just terrible
In my mind, a couple of days later, offscreen, Bran summons Yara and tells her that she can have regional autonomy but only if she marries Tyrion as Lord of the Westerlands and agrees an anti-reaving trade treaty with him.
No. Yara did not fight during the Long Night . She stayed in her island, safe. She has no right to demand today independence, her pact was with Dany who is Dead . The North, indeed, has fought the Nk, and lost half of the northeners armies defending ALL WESTEROS. Plus , the North had already fought for declaring the independence 2 times with Robb and jon. Plus they have Military Credits with Arya Stark who basically won the battle along ( the dragons were in the end useless against the NK ). So, yes, the North deserves the Indipendence, while YARA AND DORNE DON 'T.
It's clear that Dumb & Dumber didn't give a shit about any characters other than the Starks...poor Yara, she was such an awesome character...and then in Season 8 she doesn't even mourn her brother's death, gets scared of dumbass Arya, and fucks off under Stark rule
Arya killing the night king, Dany being an idiot, Jon killing Dany and not becoming king over Bran. I didn't know you could jump a shark so many times in one season but here we are.
I'm pretty sure arya killing the night king was in the outline martin sent to the producers. I don't have a problem with that. The issue is that it was rushed and anti climatic
@@nathancardenas2719 it is absolutely not, Martin has criticized this choice on a number of occasions saying "if you set up a story to where the baker is the murderer and you give clues through out the story but then it is somebody else at the very last second, then its not a very good story" Jon was the person set up to do this, the clues have been there throughout the story, those hacks just changed it to be special
@@nathancardenas2719 lol bro if GRRM accepted night kings end then he should stop writing bro there is a three hundred years of prophecy of killing night king you better know that
@@nathancardenas2719 yeah the way they did it, it couldnt work, its was imposible
Arya killing night king is fine, nobody can kill night king in 1v1 fair fight. It should be something unbelievable.
Dany being idiot is understandable after she lost her two dragons and the girl. Cersi was not expecting that from her and that scene broke her from inside. She was not afraid of death but that scene changed her. Dany doesn't wanted to give her easy death.
Brandon stark: i cant be the king of anything
Tyrion: do you want to be the king of the seven kingdom's
Brandon stark: for sure
Yeah that's y he was there how stupid was that
Ser Davos kinda forgot greyworm has no balls lol to start a house
Or he didnt forget at all 😏 knowing they cant reproduce would put an end to that house within a decade.
Lmaoo bro hahah
Two to three decades later and that house is no more, lol
He forgot his name too
My money says...that he DIDN'T forget.
Bran story: 1. Asking for help. 2.Watch people die for him and he does nothing 3. Use his ability to find out Jon's secret and use it to create a conflict between Jon and Dany
" best story" - Tyrion
You can tell this is bad writing.
Tyrion is allowed to speak despite being yelled at not to
The North gains their independence, what is stopping Dorne and the Iron Islands for demanding the same thing?
Dorne has the strongest army now and the Iron Islands have been fighting to remain independent for centuries. So why do they easily fold?
Bran can apparently see into the future but still led Theon to his death, didn't help stop Danny or warn her advisors what she would do.
Asking Tyrion to become King.
Dorne joined the Seven Kingdoms willingly and it's not in their best interest to leave. Yara's deal was with Dany under the condition the Ironborn stopped their raids on Westeros. With The Tully's not keen on the Ironborn, they won't get it.
Dany's advisors were useless because she made it clear it's fire and blood no matter how many times they tried to talk her out of it. Why do you think Varys was having second thoughts? In his arrogance Tyrion thought he could control Dany. He couldn't and Bran didn't lead Theon to his death. Theon volunteered.
Why would Dorne stay? The north left. Dorne still has its armies. Explain why it is in their best interest not to leave?
Dany is dead. Why should the Iron Islands keep their promise with someone they didnt promise or deal with to begin with?
Tully have nothing to do with the Iron Born.
They dealt with Dany, not Bran.
The north gains independence and Bran, a Stark so happens to be King to allow that. Yea, Dorne and Yara def would not just sit by and let that happen because it goes against the logic and mentality of humans in these positions of power.
Bran still knew Arya would kill the NK yet still didnt stop Theon.
Dany becoming mad isnt the problem. It is how she became it.
She seems stupid enough to not go after the Red Keep right away after taking out the defenses but goes after all the smallfolk.
Because of that, Cersei was allowed to escape and didnt even directly die by her hands. She managed to die with someone she loved.
Dany gave Cersei a better death than the people under her rule.
Dany was always ruthless to her ENEMIES AND THOSE IN POWER.
She freed slaves and those under the rule.
Breaking the wheel doesnt mean killing everyone
This just proves Bran always wanted to be king, he was manipulating future, that's the reason a guy denying lordship of North, agreed to be a king and said "why else have I come so far?" , He is the real dark person here
This shit was flat out dumb. They send jon to the wall to make unsullied happy, then they get on a boat and leave???? Really??? After everything jon did for the whole kingdom. Oh yea, what was the point of telling us jon was a targaryen again?
So he can ride a dragon.
Yeah, Jon being a Targaryen only really served as a plot device to make Daenarys go crazy.
It wouldn’t have been mattered if she just ignored Tyrion’s advice and attacked King’s Landing in season 7 instead.
And it’s pretty funny the Unsullied just fuck off and trust Jon’a brother as the King to ensure Jon’s punishment when Greyworm leaves. Like what?
So he can say " I dUn wAn iT"
I love how your username is the worst king the best king.
Getting Jon to tell about his Targaryen side was just his sisters ploy to bring down Dragon Queen Dany. The writing was bum rush crap..both of them did alot to save everyone
Season 1:We need more people to fight the White Walkers
Season 2:We need more people to fight the White Walkers
Season 3:We need more people to fight the White Walkers
Season 4:We need more people to fight the White Walkers
Season 5:We need more people to fight the White Walkers
Season 6:We need more people to fight the White Walkers
Season 7:We need more people to fight the White Walkers
Season 8: Oops.. Nevermind guys! We just needed 1 little girl this entire time.
Tyrion: “It’s not for you to decide.”
Greyworm: “You are not here to speak!”
*Tyrion speaks anyway*
"We all enjoy what we're good at" - Daenerys
No one else says anything.....Its not for TYRION TO SAY? Says the dickless guard from Essos.
Real question... what was he here for?
@@voltirussk4608 he was one of the defendants
Grey Worm : This is our City.
2 minutes later
Grey Worm: Choose a new ruler.
So damn stupid.
He knew he was surrounded by a Northern Army... He don't want war again...
@@rajeevkalangi2472 lmao there was more unsullied and dothraki than there was of the northern soldiers they could have easily defeated them. The whole ending was stupid
Grey Worm was sick of Westeros.
@@NoPawn And D&D were sick of success, so they wrote the final season
Tyrion: "and who has a better story than Bran the Broken?"
And at that point I just started laughing
House the heck is house Greyworm going to last more than 1 generation?
Adoption! And no Knives in the Household.
FleshStick it’s not.
Binary fission.
Ali Kazerani you win. I’m gonna google “binary fission”
Asexual reproduction. Have you not attended your high school?
I did not even realize gendry was sitting there and the vale boy too. They should have given them some talking points.
Robin Arryn seems good without his insane mother.
@@varric He's improving. If you watch this entire scene carefully, you can see Robin is still staring off into space rather than paying attention. This is a meeting to decide the future of the Seven Kingdoms and he can't be bothered to pay attention, lol. He has shown vast improvements since his early season appearances, though. Maybe he'll become a somewhat capable lord after all, if he continues to improve.
@@Xylarxcode I felt the same way during this episode, to be honest.
@@TheAstroflight lmao, imagine Gendry sending waves and waves of soldiers get killed west of Westeros to get Lyanna 2.0 back
@@TheAstroflight nah, Gendry is nothing like Robert. The closest Baratheon to Robert was probably Renly, who also acted hastily and with sex on the brain.
"YOU ARE NOT HERE TO SPEAK"
*proceeds to let him choose their new king*
The first minute and a half of this clip perfectly illustrates why it would have been impossible for them to actually come to a unanimous decision on who would be their new king at this meeting and why it would make much more sense for them all to go their separate ways and choose to be Seven Kingdoms again. What takes place after this feels like a different scene altogether.
Also, Gendry looks so out of place at this meeting. 😂
Also Davos' idea to give a former slave turned militant fanatic general a hold fast and suggesting they build a house is so fucking stupid.
That would absolutely come to bite them in the ass in the future
He was Lord of Storm's End. Shouldn't Bronn have been there as Lord of Highgarden?
To be honest, this scene pisses me off.
Tyrion had been acting like an idiot for the last two seasons.
He is considered a King killer, so why would anyone ask his opinion at this point, much less let him pick the new king?
after season 4 he got stupid
Wasnt Gendry BARRATHEON sitting there?
He's Arya's love and Jon's good friend and he just f***ing sits there...and says nothing. Someone said they saw a script that he was supposed to be mad like Yara was. But then....that would make even LESS SENSE.
Gendry was obviously the one who should've been chosen, but they went on with Bran and made up some bullcrap excuse to make him king.
That's a fantastic question
Exactly finally someone agrees dany and Jon were never the true hair only members of the Baratheon family which is only a bastard legitimized into the only male heir of Robert Baratheon. Robert took the throne by the rights of conquest
By that logic Baratheon was superseded by Lannister. As Queen Cersei I died without a child the succession should pass to her younger brother, Tyrion.
History doesn't really care who's "the rightful king" anyway, whoever is strongest is the rightful king. Baratheon, Targaryan didn't win the throne by asking nicely.
“Make it your own, start your own house…” you could never make this up🤣🤣🤣there’s just no way they actually wrote him to say that unironically
Oh good idea. Encourage the army of men to make their own house that'll die in the first generation because they can't have children brcusde they're Eunuch's!
House starts and ends with them as they have zero way to reproduce 🤣🤣
“Why do you think I came all this way?” A combination of laughing and crying...
Tyrion: Wait, you said Jon and I should be punished, but as soon as a random kid in a wheelchair you've never even met tells you to let us go you're fine with it?
Grey Worm: i make joke
The Bran says the past is the present. He go back in time or something. And so maybe if Bran no become king, I never get to meet Missandei from the isle of Narth. Or something
"Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?"
Me: *begins listing basically every character in the series*
Tyrion: "I demand a trial by combat. I choose Jon Snow as my Champion."
WHY WAS THIS NOT AN OPTION
Would have made too much sense.
It's DnD, you think they have enough brains to do something that isn't meant for pure shock value and subverting expectations?
HouseArmorer not sure Tyrion’s in a position to negotiate as he indirectly caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.
@@jonathancooper4914 Hes a Lord. He has the right to a trial by combat
HouseArmorer ah fair point.
This scene makes another thing clear as well, this "dornish prince" shows how terribly the show treated Dorne! There is such a great story in the novels, and on TV we had a "Sand Mess" .
This final episode is still a masterpiece compared to the Sand episodes.
@@Sawrattan I respect your opinion, but I can't share it. In my eyes it was a foolhardy decision to adapt the novels of GRRM before the last book is finished! So we had a painful downfall.
"start a house" has got to be the most ironic remark to make to an eunuch
Greyworm won't let Jon come out and yells at Tyrion for talking but he's cool with them choosing a king who will instantly take power away from him. Wow.
I know that’s what I was thinking 😂😂
I feel bad for greyworm here hahaha he has no balls we know that but man, u can shut up when you are told to do so 🤣
I'm gonna go to the liquor store do any of you guys want anything?
Something strong enough to make me forget how they shit on the best three characters, and made an emotionless dipshit the king
A Dragon *Glass* ,if possible.
See if they still have that dry wine they were going to give daenerys in season 1... I think I might need it after this season.
With an ending like this, apple cider vinegar is good enough.
Some fine dragons blood will do
This scene right here is where it went from bad to catastrophic
Why do ANY of these people care who Bran Stark is? None of the other leaders even know who he is!!!!!!
GOD HOW TERRIBLE IS THIS WRITING JESUS CHRIST
The fact that Yara and the Prince of Dorne just agree to it is still hilarious.
@Jedi Temple Guard Explains how the left rose to power in Europe.
@Jedi Temple Guard Replace South with Eastern Europe, the rest of it is the West.
It's also a joke, not the beginning of an enlightened philosophical argument.
@Isha Fatty but still Bran was the only option since Jon didnt want it in any case, and Dany was dead. It's implicite that everyone knows now the 3 eyd raven, his abilities (sovrannatural power, most of them had seen it with eyes) and what he did to save the world... Bran basically destroyed both the ice magic and fire magic from the world. And we know that is the end of the books too that cames from Martin. That was his destiny from the first, to rebuild the Peace in the 7 Kingdoms after eliminating ire and fire magic... Dorne and Yara have to shut the fuck up, since they did nothing during the Long Night, while the North sacrificed 20000 men to save all Westeros fighting with Dany (and Arya Stark won the war in the end)... These are military credits : the lords accept the peace because they showed gratitude to the North and what it Did. They have no right to demand indipendence, since they didn't fight in the long night. Plus, the North has already declared itself a kingdom other 2 times recently thanks to Ned assassination who was a crime unjustified against the North. So simply the North was ALREADY FREE before, since Dany is dead. Bran is not only the best choose, but only the only one possible. Plus, if you think Bran is the next heir to the Throne : he is the cousin of Jon, Jon is not married and has no sons... Basically Brandon Stark is the next heir to Jon. Beside that, obviously he is chosen for his abilities, that I repeat, today are known in all the 7 Kingdoms
@@edoardofichera5278 What he did exactly to save the world? During the Long Night he didn't do anything at all.
Arya: "What do we say to the God of good ending?"
D&D: "Not today"
There's headcanon that Bran is actually the villain of the entire story. It's proven he can possess people, and has near omniscience. Would certainly explain why certain characters in the later seasons chose to act different than they did the entire rest of the story (Tyrion taking a huge shot to his intelligence at all the right times, Dany becoming a reckless genocidal despot when it was convenient, etc.). Bran manipulated everything to kill all other competitors and take the throne, minus one kingdom he'll easily get back once his sister botches leadership of it.
People trying to "head cannon" this complete shit show to try and have it make sense are just as disgraceful as the crappy writers. Not for even one single scene at any point at all during the show is it alluded to that Bran is playing chess to be king. Not even once. You're brain is making up nonsense.
My thoughts exactly. I've been pondering for a long time- I would bet that when Bran spent his time in Winterfell's godswood learning about his abilities, he was actually practising warging into people. That would explain EVERY one of everyone's behaviour that was out of character/pattern.
Lord of dorn is wayyy to chill for this meeting yo lmao check him out.
Yeah the new prince doesn't give a crap. 😂
Well he has zero impact on the plot so...
I'm sure He's not even House Martell....should have gotten him in 2 seasons ago.
@Nick Volkov 🤣🤣🤣
Ah, its probably Trysta... oh, right. They butchered him like the Dorne plot
How did the author think that we will have goosebumbs in this scene?
They were negotiating contracts for Star Trek or Star Wars or something on the phone while writing this with their left hand without looking. That's how.
@@-BuddyGuy star wars trilogy
70 years later after my 3rd time travel this still hurts.
Season 8 was terrible.
So was Season 7
An illogical mess
No. It was something else, something worse.
Terrible is nothing compared to what they did
Bran is like the kid who sat in your game lobby all the time just getting carried by everyone else only to become the highest rank.
This scene would’ve been good if we got 10 seasons like Martin wanted and if Bran didn’t say “I can’t be king of anything” and “Why do you think I came all this way”
Sansa declares independence and everyone agrees.
D&D: " Yeah Yara and Dorne sort of forgot they also want independence."
When Jon went beyond the North, 'Drogon' waiting for him there would have been an insane twist...
Yes the dragon witness waiting for his revenge....
and burns him cuz he too kinda forgot to do that before
@herloss448 hes a targaryen and might not burn
I really feel like Jon Snow deserved to be at this meeting.
Jon Snow deserved a lot of things, but he got f*** all
he didn't wunt it
Imagine reading a great novel only to find out the last chapters have been used as toilet paper .
Or that they have been replaced with basic level fan fiction!
I love how in the books it's stated early on, like right after his fall, that since Bran is paralyzed from the waist down, he can't have heirs. They stuck the one person in all of Westeros on the Iron Throne that can't bear successors.
Not defending the terrible writing, but this point is irrelevant since they decided kings will be chosen not born, so he doesn't need successors
@@RennaReiss You do realize that choosing a king will only lead to a civil war right... since obviously... after Brans death all the lords are gonna vote for themselves instead of someone else and at that point (Brans death)... the only ones possibly still being alive on that counsil are Samwell, Gendry, Sansa and Arya, but they are hella old and the North doesn't even count then anymore either, cuz they independent.
@@RennaReissI Mean yeah, since they're choosing kings now, a guy who can't have children is a proper start. Besides they've had enough problems with the former heirs taking over the throne anyway.
They have said in prior episodes that the children of kings are generally terrible individuals.
Greyworm: thousands of us! This is OUR city!
Five seconds later: Ok just pick someone to who we will give the city too
There wasn't enough to hold the city. They would have been slaughtered in the end
I cant even stand to buy the season 8 dvd to complete my collection. Ill just keep 1-7, season 8 does not exist imo.
right..when the book comes out ..whenever that is we can find out the REAL ending
I'm waiting for the book to finish I know for sure it will have the better ending
Arya is the most non believable character of all of them, they set Jon up.
I really hate Arya now because she is just a pompous little shit who can kill anyone and survive anything with hardly any training because her plot armor is so thick there isnt even a word to describe how ridiculously thick it is.
@@Jrtekk Hahahaha nice one !
@@Jrtekk I think the word is thicc. Ask the baratheon bastard
No, the most non believable character is DANY.
@@Jrtekk Pompous little shit???? ARYA? Her saying for ALL 8 seasons is "I dont want to be a lady".
The way Grey worm bad assly talking to those who were present was just amazing.
WTF Yara is talking about? First Ironborn betrayed North and because of
that Cersei became a tyrant, when they betrayed her and helped Euron to serve Cersei. Apart Theon, her and those who survived Euron's attack,
Ironborn are traitors
The only thing the Ironborn deserve is to be wiped out Bomber Dany style.
Yara's pissed off cause her deal for independence was with Daenerys. With her dead so was that deal.
Funny that her brother dies being considered as a Stark.
They didn't betray the North. You cannot betray which is not allied to you. The Ironborn rebelled first and the North helped to defeat it. Then, the Ironborn seized an opportunity once the North was on rebellion .
And, you seem to forget that since Yara and Theon had a deal with Daenerys, it makes sense for her to stand against the Starks. (And this scene is stupid to not show anyone protesting against Bran being king. Every Kingdom being independent would have been more believable)
Stannis should have killed them all.
The show didn’t deserve such an ending
I am disappointed
Imagine if only Sansa or Arya revealed Jon's true heritage and this changed the whole story ...man what a scene it would have been.....😌
sansa did, she told tyrion but tyrion and the writer chose to ignore it anyway. and also kudos to sansa not bending the knee to anyone, not even to her own brother. she did exactly what her brother and mother died trying to do. she freed north as promised, doesn't matter even if a stark is ruling the 7 kingdoms, freedom of North was achieved.
Tyrion knew already
They all knew. One of Varys' last acts was sending ravens out telling people.
They forgot about it...
They all knew, but they were still cautious of another Targaryen being a ruler again. And most of westeros still didn't know about Jon's achievements
I defended the entire series including the final season BUT this scene broke the camels back for me. This whole scene made NO F*$&ing sense!
u and i buddy
final season is trash, and Danny character writing too. Since 8x3 series was awful
The iron throne was melted down by Drogon, so they had to bring a king who came with his own chair.
Grey Worm: YOU ARE NOT HERE TO SPEAK!!
Tyrion: Oh really? 😏
Grey Worm: You can not command me.
Few seconds later
Grey Worm: Now you must choose king who will command me.
WTF
There’s literally at least 4 people sitting in this scene that make more sense as king/queen then Bran. Plus the guy in the cell
I saw video suggestion, clicked on it, hit pause, and read comments.
When Edmure Tully stood up and started speaking. I could hear the black fish out of thin air saying “sit down you damned fool” 🤣🤣
Bran: I am the 3 Eyed Raven, I cannot be a lord.
Tyrion: Wanna be king of the 7 Kingdoms?
Bran: You son of a bitch, I'm in.
"Start your own house with the Unsullied as your bannermen."
Yes, everyone knows eunuchs are capable of starting families! lol
I love how the actors acted out this horseshit of a conversation without ripping out a loud one...
Bran the rebuilder would’ve been a better nickname. After his ancestor
Bran the broken is what he called himself in the books
Zaga oohhhhh. Understandable but rebuilder is better
I think the complaints about "Bran the Broken" are overstated. Not only does Bran call himself that in the books, at first mockingly, but Tyrion's most notable line in the series is where he says to use your weaknesses as armor, so nobody can use them against you. It's the same reason he calls Jon "bastard" in maybe the second episode. And even in this episode he calls himself "imp". He has a liking of broken things, as he always always has said.
It's an absolute travesty how Stannis Baratheon was portrayed as a daughter killer and unceremoniously killed off in the TV show. In the books Stannis is one of the best characters around and definitely one of the best candidates for the throne of westeros. He is a very capable leader who might at first seem stern and aloof but as the books explore his story more and more, we can see a man who definitely cares about his duties as a leader and as a family man.
Well, he was still a family man. He just chose a shadow demon over his daughter
Makes no difference. He will die in the novels as well. Definitely in WoW.
Isn't there an excerpt from Winds of Winter where he even sends off his daughter with some of his most trusted guards to Braavos? I find it interesting that his daughter might have a future very similar to Dany's without the dragons.
Davos: sTaRt YoUr oWn hOuSe!
Everyone: LMAO
Jon Snow - “you brought me back to life for this”?
He would have a hard time being taken seriously and there would be a war of succession as soon as he keeled over.
Tyrion : "Jon committed his crime here. It's fate would be decided from our King... Or Queen"
Tyrion. For real man?.
Did this chicken shit just hided the fact that he schemed the murder of his Queen with Jon, to save his own ass?.
😬😬.
And also ending up as hand of the King, that he got to pick while sending Jon to exile for the "Greater Good" as well?.
FFS D&D. You ruined Tyrion, completely.
No. This was Tyrion. That survival by any means necessary matra of the Lannister family was showing. Tyrion has talked his way out more than one sticky situation.
And Jon shouldn't have needed it pointed out that Daenerys had lost her mind. The next stop would've been Winterfell. No way would he have let his siblings die.
@@janellejulianajoy
Let's not try to apply the logic, on what SHOULD have happened.
Cause alot of characters lost there previous personalities this season for plot convenience.
And things just kept happening this season. No consequences, no stakes. Nothing.
Just everything conveniently falling into place, like some ridiculous Disney movie.
Just go by what the show gave you, instead of trying to excuse it.
And last time I checked, "A lannister always pays his debts" is there mantra. And "Hear me Roar" is there house moto. So I have no clue what you're saying there, about survival.
You obviously don't have a clue either.
Jon, could have easily asked Tyrion how he got away with his betrayal as well. Since Tyrion responded that they both did it, when Jon was having doubts if it was the right thing to do.
But naaa. That would create friction between them, and D&D can't have that.
"This chicken sh**" LMAOOOOOO
Funny comment aside, I agree wholeheartedly. He was a much darker character in the novels in terms of morality, but there was nothing in the series to support him becoming anything of the sort, and D&D clearly didn't intend for him to be seen as a "chicken sh**", they probably thought that the audience would see him, Bran, and Sansa as the heroes... which I do not see at all (in this season).
George R. R Martin: "You're not here to write a bad story!"
D&D: write season 8
Jon: *kills Daenerys*
Grey worm: he has a right to a fair trial, due process and an attorney.
Tyrion: And who has a better story than ... Meatpie! He knew he’d always eat too much, so he learned to prepare food!
Everyone: Hail Meatpie the Obese, King of the Six Kingdoms!
Sansa: No, Seven Kingdoms! I’ve decided to rejoin, to get those delicious Meatpies!
Meatpie: Thank you, thank you, my good people. Let the banqueting begin.
Grey Worm: Mmmm! King Meatpie, these meatpies are absolutely delicious! What are they made of?
Meatpie: These pies are made of the people of King’s Landing. They did not die in vain.
Tyrion (sadly): You mean that Dany was such an excellent .... Cook?
Bran: Yum yum! Now I’ve Really got to get Drogon back!
Hotpie. The guys name is Hotpie.
Makes more sense than season 8
They needed more scenes with Bran (Three Eyed Raven/Crow) showing he was using everyone as chess pieces to claim the throne. I think that’s what basically happens, but since they rushed everything it just felt like Bran got the throne because he had powers. He was the true antagonist of the series, but since they hurried everything along, it’s dissatisfying.
Lol no, no evidence of that is there at all. It isn't matter of them not fleshing that out. Its a matter of your silly brain making excuses for this pile of dog shit.
Few scenes I wished that would have made it the best series ever!!!
1. Jamie not going back to cersi and dying in battle of winter-fell.
2. Jon was the best swordsman and yet in battle of kings landing his role was limited to nothing. By Jon leading the war and making decisions in final battle.
3. Danerys killing cersi by dragon fire as part of his rage. Cersi death was stupid and harmless as compared to what she did to everyone.
4. Arya had such a big transfer and role by killing night king and yet her role in final battle was zero. By Arya getting to kill Daenerys and then vanishing as Jaqen Hghar secretly.
5. Jon transformation from a great swordman and not a king material to a King.
6. Bran to continue the three eyed raven.
7. Sansa as lady of winterfell was fine.
Beautiful. Jon was too humble to be a king anyway.
"Let's make Bran the new king."
"Bran died with Hodor. I'm just the narrator."
"Then tell us how this ends."
"You make the narrator king."
"Ok."
"The End."
So Yara forgot about theon?
@Semper fidelis Semper Paratus theon was super loyal to the Starks, and died for Jon. And now Yara, his loyal and trusting sister, forgot. And forgot about his death all together.
@@lolakrivosic D&D kinda forgot.
No baby D&D forgot about Theon.
“Say another word about killing my brother and ill cut your throat”
More of a promise than a threat in my opinion.
The only season 8 character; story arc and ending that was well done, and made sense in a man's opinion was Theon's
An oligarchy instead of a monarchy is essentially breaking the wheel.... and then replacing it with another wheel that only has minor differences. I mean when you think about it people in the future are still going to backstab, wage wars and connive to be the king, just do it in a different way. Just a new set of rules for the game of thrones.
It still is no doubt a step in the progression towards democracy, which resembles history. That is, I'm sure, what Martin would prefer to do. Dany's concept of breaking the wheel was unfortunately going to be much worse than what they decided here.
@@truehistory8440 Dany's vision was a cult god-king monarchy, which has more to do with her Essosi upbringing than her Targaryen heritage. It's funny that she liberated slaves, since she thrives on slavish adoration more than Cersei and Sansa.
@@truehistory8440
Historically, elective royalty is the step BEFORE hereditary royalty.
Elective royalty evolves to hereditary royalty by having the son elected after the father for several generation.
Then, hereditary royalty is overthrown in some violent event (revolution, war or even both), leading to the building of a republic.
This is how it works in History.
What is the next step after republic ? We have the precedent of the Roman Republic that became a military dictatorship (currently called «Roman Empire»). Are current republics doomed to end up like that ? Well... Who knows?
@@truehistory8440 In reality it was more the rulers stripping power from the aristocracy y backing their people. This eventually led to democracy.
It’s still so sad how this once great show ended.
I find it funny how Yara said she swore to follow Daenerys yet the first thing she did when she got freed from euron was hide on the iron islands. 😂
1:12 "Make it your own, start your own house"
Did this man literally offer the Unsullied, men who can't reproduce, the opportunity to start their own house?
"Who better than the tree?"
Stannis: Any of you i should think, even the cook.
"Make it your home, start your own house... " To this date I can't comprehend how they allowed that line
Really thought we were gonna get a Targaryen dynasty, with Jon having blood of the north and south and Dany ruler of the eastern nations. They would of been rulers of the entire realm, a perfect ending ffs.
I like the idea of Dany ruling Essos, but she made it very clear from the start that she was determined to rule all Westeros. She was much better psychologically suited to the east.
@@Sawrattan Dany still alive in the books and Queen of Meereen (she is 16 years old in last book) we will see what happen in next book