Neumann TLM102 vs Shure SM7b: Which Mic is Better for Vocals?

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  • In this video, I am comparing the Shure SM7b and the Neumann TLM 102. I ask which is better for vocal recording. These two microphones are commonly used in vocal recording and for great reason. I also use them to record some acoustic guitar.
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    Intro - 0:00
    Big Vocals SM7b - 2:06
    Big Vocals TLM 102- 2:12
    Soft Vocal SM7b - 2:17
    Soft Vocals TLM 102- 2:24
    Acoustic Guitar SM7b - 2:32
    Acoustic Guitar TLM 102 - 3:04
    Song Vocals SM7b - 3:36
    Song Vocals TLM 102 - 4:05
    Mixed Song SM7b - 4:35
    Mixed Song TLM 102 - 5:07
    Frequency Analysis - 5:55
    Final Thought - 7:42
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  • @robertboucher2689
    @robertboucher2689 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Hello Tim! Thank you very much for the quality of your work, very well done! Comparing the two microphones is very informative and revealing. You are truly an excellent singer with an exceptional voice. I now come back regularly to listen to this video just for your vocal performance. My sincere compliments!

  • @_artlife
    @_artlife 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This was the best comparison video I have ever seen!! I forgot I was tryna review these mics!😂 It’s definitely a better experience listening to someone who can SANG and not just sing when reviewing these microphones.

  • @chancegreenisdead
    @chancegreenisdead ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This is truly one of the best mic reviews I've seen in a while. Not over-produced, no corniness/No BS/Good info & great song. TYsir!

  • @martinanderson1737
    @martinanderson1737 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks so much for this. Great video. There's a world of complexity in the TLM that is not there in the Shure and in fact is quite muted. Loved the comparisons but what I would love to see would be a section where you alternate between the two at a faster cadence, either a line or flicking between the two on a sustained note.

  • @saltlightdix4704
    @saltlightdix4704 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was surprised, I was expecting a bit more of a difference between the 2 mics. The frequency analysis did show pretty much what I was hearing in the comparison. Good job!

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      Totally. When it comes to the mixed-down audio they both give a different flavour but are both usable. That proximity effect is a real kicker though. :)

    • @skorpers
      @skorpers ปีที่แล้ว

      When you mix a song you end up tailoring the sound to what you desired. So the same mixing engineer is going to make most non garbage mics sound about the same!

  • @RonnieLeBlancMusic
    @RonnieLeBlancMusic ปีที่แล้ว +7

    nice test! Thank you man. The TLM has a softness and nice low and highs. I use the SM7b but would love to try the Neumann

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The 102 certainly has a nice balanced sound, but there is something about the SM7b in the mids that I really like. It's really musical.

  • @jordankeller358
    @jordankeller358 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    very refreshing to hear vocals on a mic test that are good (they were awesome) its so hard to get an idea of a mics true coloration when the vocals don't sound good to begin with. thank you, breath of fresh air!

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for your kind words. It means a lot coming from a great singer such as yourself.

  • @yacarlos70
    @yacarlos70 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gracias amigo. Excelente comparación y análisis.

  • @echothenatives
    @echothenatives ปีที่แล้ว

    I have both of these mics, thank you for doing an in-depth analysis of the differences!

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      No worries, thanks for watching.

    • @sunnyumukoro7665
      @sunnyumukoro7665 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Which one them is best for a record studio setting ?

    • @echothenatives
      @echothenatives ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sunnyumukoro7665 the answer is buy both, it’s source dependent on which you should use.

  • @oneman49instruments
    @oneman49instruments ปีที่แล้ว

    Great test Tim! Best wishes from Barcelona!

  • @mzonemusicful
    @mzonemusicful ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Bro you sound amazing did not expect that voice.
    Im so impressed

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you. I'm glad you liked it.

  • @AndrewMcIntyre-kf7uz
    @AndrewMcIntyre-kf7uz 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    wow...seen tonnes of comparison vids of these mics and this is by far the best one for showing how amazing the neumann is! bought a 103 not a 102 so one upped there :)

  • @a7xbandy
    @a7xbandy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow you have an amazing voice. Thank you for the great review as well. Currently debating between the TLM102 and the TLM103. I use the SM7B right now and it's served me well but it definitely sounds like the 102 is an upgrade. To be expected from a Neumann I suppose..

  • @netakrieger6211
    @netakrieger6211 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you! that was very helpful !

  • @larrycom
    @larrycom ปีที่แล้ว +95

    You are an excellent singer. I do not know how the SM7B became so popular using it for serious vocal recording. The TLM 102 blew it away.

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +14

      The rumour that Micheal Jackson used it probably helped... :) I think with a singer who doesn't love all the detail it can be a more comfortable mic to use. If i was choosing for me though I would totally go with the 102.

    • @oboreal69
      @oboreal69 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@TimMoxeyMusic No, what's help it's just the fact you can use the sm7 to track a singer in a live/studio situation, and have a good balance between quality of the main vocal and low bleed enough from the other instruments including drums so you can keep the vocal track for the final mix. Of course, in a context of a correctly treated room and re re recording, there is no point of using a SM7 instead of a condenser for a lead vocal.

    • @ojvic7297
      @ojvic7297 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      “Blew it away” is such a stretch…
      I can name a few songs recorded on the shure sm7b that sounds incredible….
      The mic can go up against the best of the best, and still deliver

    • @tonybattlethebeatmaker447
      @tonybattlethebeatmaker447 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You need to use a cloud lifter with the sm7b to get more energy in the higher frequencies.

    • @chancegreenisdead
      @chancegreenisdead ปีที่แล้ว +2

      TBH Joe Rogan effect!
      (Not hating on the dude honestly it probably sucks having that much influence unintentionally.) but my observation is that his producer "Young Jaime" basically selected a decent broadcast mic and the entire world of podcasting happened where literally thousands of new to pro audio types just kinda followed suit and snagged this well priced and solid performing, (but certainly) overrated Dynamic mic from Shure.

  • @beyondmywildestdreams6942
    @beyondmywildestdreams6942 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One of the best reviews I've ever seen on TH-cam, thank you and good luck!

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. I appreciate the support.

  • @docsponderings1515
    @docsponderings1515 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow! huge difference! Thanks for showing this

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is a big difference. Although in saying that the difference is made bigger by the distance. The SM7b sounds much fuller when you are closer to it, but i was trying to keep it as much the same as I could.

  • @Setteegang
    @Setteegang 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    just what i needed, thx for posting. You got talent brother, love it.

  • @cekirdekci32
    @cekirdekci32 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this:)) thank you. 💛

  • @garth_br00ks
    @garth_br00ks 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was doing research into the TLM 102, and honestly I was impressed but I’m much more impressed with your voice

  • @COZYFORREAL
    @COZYFORREAL ปีที่แล้ว

    great vocals, nice vid bro, thank u

  • @AliRushSongs
    @AliRushSongs 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent analysis

  • @milesian1
    @milesian1 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I really appreciated your frequency analysis. I've never seen that type of comparison in a mic review before. If I may, to me the SM7B sounded like AM radio on both isolated vocals and mixed vocals, and the TLM102 was richer and had much better balance.

    • @skorpers
      @skorpers ปีที่แล้ว

      SM7B has tapered lows and an odd high curve/drop off. So you hear a mid emphasis on it and most Shure products.

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The SM7b does better when it's closer to the source but it still not as full as the tlm102.

    • @skorpers
      @skorpers ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TimMoxeyMusic Not to mention that level matching it to the tlm103 will generate a little more noise due to the inherent self noise and extra distance from the capsule.

    • @sevchyk
      @sevchyk 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      SM7B sounds like live radio performance in the studio, that’s correct.

    • @sevchyk
      @sevchyk 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@skorpers SM7B does not have tapered lows, it has too much of them instead. Sounds boxy on every singer…

  • @mojekh
    @mojekh ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Many thanks for this really well done test!! Seems SM7B can be pretty "intimate", TLM102 is more widerange (like condenser usually are), but what works in the end is a question of taste🙂 I will probably record with both (like you did) and then decide 🙂 When you combine guitar+vocals, I have a goose bumps from the SM7B version 😀 TLM102 is too perfect... Respect to your singing and the song writing skills🙂

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I really like the SM7b too, It has some really nice character and works really well on some sources. Trying t for yourself is totally the best way to go if you can.

    • @sevchyk
      @sevchyk 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TimMoxeyMusic Dude, don’t you hear how shitty SM7B sounds on vocals? It brings out spiky consonants, yet sounds dull.

    • @sevchyk
      @sevchyk 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TimMoxeyMusicTim, what DAW did you use to record and mix this fragment?

  • @chancegreenisdead
    @chancegreenisdead ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful voice man

  • @EspinalPhotography
    @EspinalPhotography 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just what I was looking for; someone that can really sing. 👍🏻

  • @Txarli_Outeiral
    @Txarli_Outeiral ปีที่แล้ว +1

    aupa tim,me a encantado las comparaciones de estos dos micrófonos, particularmente me decantaria por el neumann tlm 102,suena un poquito mas grave y mas cuerpo sobre todo e notado una gran diferencia en la guitarra mas que en la voz que tambien hay una pequeña diferencia,asi que muchisimas gracias y un saludo

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree, the 102 has a fuller sound. Thanks for watching.

  • @Doctorfingertips
    @Doctorfingertips 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice pipes brother!

  • @iwantmoretofu
    @iwantmoretofu ปีที่แล้ว +20

    as a sm7b user, the sound isolation for instruments in an untreated room is unmatched. with a bit of eq the sm7b can sound very close to most condenser microphones. the key is to remove the foam windscreen and use a normal pop filter to open up the high end. the sm7b requires a little more tweaking, but for me, it’s worth it for the noise rejection of my room and computer fan.

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thats a great point. The SM7b would be a great mic for recording in an untreated room. I haven't used my SM7b without the pop filter yet. I'll have to check that out.

    • @skorpers
      @skorpers ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The SM7B doesn't have any sound isolation that any cardiod wouldn't. That is a myth propgated by deliberate miseducation regarding recording level.

    • @skorpers
      @skorpers 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Dipli Complete myth. Submit a citation to your claims. (So I can dismantle them).
      Polar pattern and frequency response are the only things that affect the "ability" of a mic to isolate room reflections or ambient sound. The SM7B is actually worse than many other microphones at isolating ambient noise. By design you are forced farther away from the physical mic capsule, the noise floor of the mic internals is much higher than many cheaper microphones, especially condensers. And the gain that many people add to the mic signal often amplifies the self noise of the mic itself, which people erroneously attribute to the preamp lmfao.

    • @skorpers
      @skorpers 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Dipli And Shure's marketing and reviewers are continuously disproven by audio engineers.
      Shure usest the fullest extent of ambigious wording in order to implicate that technology that may have been revolutionary in the 70s is still revolutionary today. It is no longer the case. In order to see some of the concepts consolidated into an easily digestible video format, see Julian Krause's Audio Myth / Science playlist.
      Stating that a dynamic microphones inherent low frequency requires the user to be closer to the microphone while implicating its an intrinsic feature of the SM7B is misleading.
      You are also able to do the same thing with other microphone types, barring perhaps earlier ribbon microphones in which a disc style pop filter was primarily used to protect the internals of the microphone through distance and distribution of air and blocking moisture.
      Condensers also come in multiple types, just just side address. There are also many microphone techniques that you can employ to decrease the proximity of the mic to the individual without creating plosives.
      According to Audio Science Review, the equivelant self noise measured in the SM7B is 22DB which is definitely above average for a microphone by a fair margin. I.E the Rode NT1 has roughly 4DB of self noise. It is also a much more even toned microphone and significantly less expensive.
      In addition to that, many microphones that have been released in the past 15-20 years have continuously improved upon transformerless designs and are relatively close to the TLM 103 in tonality and quality at a price point between 30 and 200 dollars.
      SM7B is essentially just a status piece and little else at this point. It doesn't have any particular limiting characteristics, but the points used to sell the SM7B to new users are merely manipulations of factual information to implicate the lack of availability of these features of effectiveness of these features in other microphones.

    • @skorpers
      @skorpers 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Dipli You're the brick wall, you're preaching to your own choir. Your own lack of intuition is wherein lies your inability to understand your own logical fallacies. You are literally arguing against mathematics to state the SM7B has a low noise floor. Not a very educated take. Let me guess, you think a cloud lifter reduces the noise floor as well? You clearly don't believe in physics lmfao. You literally force yourself to believe that these fallacies are intrinsic to a characteristic of the SM7B.

  • @19garaa
    @19garaa 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tbh i forgot about the Microphones while i watched, cause bro is cooking right there 😤

  • @chrisgmusic4God
    @chrisgmusic4God ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Currently have an smb and looking at a 102 mayne 103. But I agreed 100 with your final take. 102 was way crispier

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      I think having both isn't a bad thing. They sound really different and you can get some really great recordings with both.

  • @josephl6727
    @josephl6727 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not only does the tlm 102 sound better, it's most cost effective. Amazing voice!!

  • @AnnaFlore-mt9rw
    @AnnaFlore-mt9rw ปีที่แล้ว

    Heey! First of all, awesome video :) I was wondering what you to do reduce plosives

  • @reddeadryan78
    @reddeadryan78 ปีที่แล้ว

    listening in a acoustically treated room on a pair of Yamaha HS5's. TLM is much more bright and clear. Also, I have both mics. I use the shure sm7b for gaming and the 102 for studio vocals. I plan on upgrading to the 103 soon. cheers

  • @PharaohLawLess1
    @PharaohLawLess1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have the SM7b but I now use my recently purchased C414 XLS

  • @andrewrice9383
    @andrewrice9383 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The big vocals demo you did I think that’s exactly what a 251 excels at.

  • @michaelyolch79
    @michaelyolch79 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very helpful! Our voices are similar. I'm about to record a monster blues album where I THOUGHT I would want the 7B for my much louder vocals, but the 102 certainly sounds far better through the entire freq spectrum. Well done! :)

  • @TimMoxeyMusic
    @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

    Let me know what mics you'd like me compare next.

  • @onlineon64
    @onlineon64 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello everything is fine? Congratulations on your work...both microphones are excellent! but I found the sm7b, more natural... I believe that everything depends on the proposal of the work... I wish you success! Hugs from Brazil.

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for sharing!

    • @sevchyk
      @sevchyk 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You selected SM7B over TLM102? Seriously? What a bullshit choice…

    • @User-ys7cb
      @User-ys7cb 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The SM7B sounds anything but natural imo.

  • @seanstroope3763
    @seanstroope3763 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I have never used an SM7B but I have used the TLM 102 but in this video the 102 blew it out of the water. It sounded so much better than the SM7B no doubt for me it's the 102

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      It did come out on top in this video, but i still think for some applications it's amazing. Check out this video it shows the SM7b in a better light. th-cam.com/video/jKOjX9Hnzbs/w-d-xo.html

    • @bradalford9829
      @bradalford9829 ปีที่แล้ว

      I totally agree. This one isnt even close. Listening on good monitors. Im actually surprised that it wasnt closer. I dont own either.

    • @User-ys7cb
      @User-ys7cb 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The SM7B is just a dynamic and a very dark one at that. I used an SM7B, but I recently got a Lewitt LCT 440 Pure which also blows the SM7B out of the water.

  • @juljasmah
    @juljasmah ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The shure is fine for most streamers/cc but the tlm102 sounds way more warm and cozy

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      I would probably say the detail of the TLM102 makes it more useable on more sources, but the SM7b still works when you are looking for a specific sound.

  • @corypalmer5495
    @corypalmer5495 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Shure SM7B captures more of the low end and "soul" in your voice", while the TLM 102 thins out the low end but has a clearer high end. The TLM made your voice feel "thinner" so I would go with the Shure SM7B on this one. You can always eq and boost the highs later.

  • @Sank1982
    @Sank1982 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    TLM102 for me all day long richer,warmer,fuller sound on both vocals and guitar. Glad i purchased the TLM102 and not the SM7b

  • @cekirdekci32
    @cekirdekci32 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    and subscribed off course;)

  • @michaelsavage2078
    @michaelsavage2078 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To me the Tlm has a warmer sound, but with that warmth it also picks up plosives much more than the SMB.

  • @TheHalfmanofOz
    @TheHalfmanofOz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought in a mix the difference might not be so great. I'd pick the TLM102 every time over the SM7B.

  • @mzonemusicful
    @mzonemusicful ปีที่แล้ว +2

    WOW I couldn't believe it at first the TLM sounds like the radio already. AMAZING

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      It definitely has a good clean clear sound. The SM7b does have some nice character for the right thing.

  • @Bobstern
    @Bobstern 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’m leaning more towards Neuman as a voiceover artist but remember this..Thriller was recorded with the SM 7. Vocals and all.

    • @sevchyk
      @sevchyk 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      SM7 and SM7b are two different microphones, the later sounds worse…

  • @NealCampbell
    @NealCampbell ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I watched because I own a TLM102 and am constantly tempted to get the Shure because it’s so ubiquitous in video. This video helped me lose the temptation to buy a Shure, but also, your singing voice is phenomenal!

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you. If you have a 102 and want a different flavour a classic sm57 isn't a bad choice and is very affordable.

  • @The-Skyking
    @The-Skyking ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And THIS is why I use a 102 for everything from streaming to recording pretty much anything.

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      IT is a good mic. Saying that though I do love the SM7b for some source. I think it claps on electric guitar amps.

    • @elitehulk431
      @elitehulk431 ปีที่แล้ว

      But u need good room acoustic for 102 cause its gonna catch ever barking dog

  • @FAMEAcademyNY
    @FAMEAcademyNY 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Whoa!!!!!! Huge difference. The 102 is wayyy fuller.

  • @RoxyJMusic
    @RoxyJMusic ปีที่แล้ว +1

    TLM 102 hands down! 🎉🎉

  • @nofalsetto5834
    @nofalsetto5834 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The diaphragm on the SM7B is about 3-4 inches in, hence the loss of volume when you’re a bit farther out.

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Totally. Although I did line up the diaphragms. I'm going to do this test again to show the optimal proximity for both mics.

    • @TheDwarfInvasion
      @TheDwarfInvasion ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TimMoxeyMusic good idea - I think the SM7 would benefit from being right on it with windscreen removed.

  • @tonybattlethebeatmaker447
    @tonybattlethebeatmaker447 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you use a cloud lifter with the sm7b in the video?

  • @granturismo315
    @granturismo315 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ur sm7b sounds different then mine, mine sounds dark and more low end to it. Also artist usually talk and sing closer and directly into it. but I also got the cloud lifter so maybe that’s why urs sounded underpowered

  • @_b0ws3r_
    @_b0ws3r_ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When you sang the 2nd time and with the combination of guitar and vocal I liked the sound of the SM7B more, but that might be the youtube compression as well. Really wish there was a better way to watch video's like this with the original audio instead of the conversion/compression coloring the sound and removing the ultra high end. Really hard to hear the air of high quality equipment when its given such harsh lossy compression

  • @David-uj5yh
    @David-uj5yh 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What interface i should get for the neumann tlm 102?

  • @pseudonymlifts2
    @pseudonymlifts2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Listening on monitors there's a huge difference as far as >$300 mics go, the shure sounds pretty telephony. I'm guessing it'd be a closer match if you'd been able to sing into the shure a bit more directly?

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Telephony is a great description of what it sounded like when I was talking into it. The SM7b doesn't like (in my experience) being too far away from the sound source. However, in the musical example, I did try to keep an even distance from both diaphragms to give the fairest and most balanced comparison.
      I will say though when I have been working with the SM7b outside of tests and comparisons I have found it to be very mid-heavy. It's not a bad sound at all, but I have found myself pulling a bit of the mids out when I record vocals and it's really sweet. I hope that helps.

    • @sevchyk
      @sevchyk ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TimMoxeyMusic Mid-heavy? “Ugly boomy unclear muddy low mids” is what is appropriate.

  •  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For your voice Neumann is the winner 😊 Sounds great, like a record!

  • @davonblain
    @davonblain 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i see a lot of videos of these two mics being compared. why? they are two completely different mics right? is there some sort of common aspect of them both besides the price that makes them similar?

  • @arande3
    @arande3 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It really depends. I went and listened to an album where they used the SM 7B, it sounds very clear and sweet and I can’t really imagine it sounding much better if at all. Orca by Hana

    • @michaelyolch79
      @michaelyolch79 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      By the time you're hearing it on that album, way too many other variables are affecting the final sound...preamp, compressor, EQ, mix, master.

    • @arande3
      @arande3 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@michaelyolch79 yes, I saw everything she did in processing because I watched the production stream. It went through equalization in nectar. Regardless, the original tone of the microphone carries through to the final recording, even if other sonic signatures are added later.

  • @sufiansteve9807
    @sufiansteve9807 ปีที่แล้ว

    of course TLM 02 sounds much better when it comes to recording vocals !! i have sm7b its more mid as you say you said its totally correct... mixin vocals with sm7 it could be a nightmare for lots of vocals !!

  • @leandrobremer-music
    @leandrobremer-music ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The TLM sounds way better but the mic position was better for the TLM on both vocals and acoustic guitar. Not fair!

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Your right the position definitely favoured the SM7b, but if i had done different distances some would say it's not a fair test... It's hard to cover all bases in a single video.

  • @oliverbones8966
    @oliverbones8966 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am a bit of an noob when it comes to sound. What i would say. Is yes a condenser picks up more sound. But that SM7B cuts through. The condenser gives you a bunch of sound I dont like. I love warm/dark.
    Plus I record in an untreated room and don't want to pick up too much.
    To me the SM7B wins. My voice lacks bass so I don't want more highs/presence.

  • @sixroads444
    @sixroads444 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Owner of a 103 and il be the first to say if your room isnt treated go with the sm7b

  • @JC-sk8bs
    @JC-sk8bs ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey man, sorry to ask something kinda unrelated to the video, but i just wondered how did you manage to get the Shure SM7B on a regular mic stand please? Because i was so excited and received mine today but it's adapter doesn't fit my mic stand (which is like yours, not a boom arm) and it won't fit because it seems to have a nut in the bottom of the connector? N i cant remove because it seems if i did it'd allow me to connect them, If you can help i'd really appreciate it cos i,'m so disappointed, thanks :)

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      Not a worry. Is it the thread converter that is stuck in the microphone? If that's the case you could use a big screwdriver to get it out. If it's upside down and there is nowhere to put a screwdriver I have found a pair of pliers will do the trick (yep i've made the mistake of getting it stuck in there more than once). Once you get that out you shouldn't have any problems. Let me know how you go.

    • @JC-sk8bs
      @JC-sk8bs ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TimMoxeyMusic thanks for the reply man! Yeah it seems it but it was delivered like it? And I have tried one pair of pliers but I had a go but then couldn't find any more info on if it definitely needed to be removed n how to (lots of people said to try pliers). And I also wasn't sure if getting the bolt would 100% allow it to connect to my mic stand so I stopped for that reason too, butI imagine it should I'm just worried to damage the bolt/threading inside.

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JC-sk8bs I really sounds like the thread converter is stuck in there upside down. Use a good amount of force and it should come out, but certainly be carful not to damage anything. If you're not confident to do it, ask someone who is handy with tools.

  • @victorfaasuamaleaui
    @victorfaasuamaleaui 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    TLM smashed it

  • @tkavook
    @tkavook 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    yeah Neumann is gonna be the move

  • @tinychamberz
    @tinychamberz ปีที่แล้ว

    Why did u have the bass roll off enabled for the sm7b?

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      I didn't. I always try to do my tests as flat as possible.

  • @jeffreysbrother
    @jeffreysbrother ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have an SM7.
    My guess is that the SM7 is either broken or you have the filters engaged in the back.
    It should definitely not sound that way.

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I understand where you are coming from. It's not broken, it's just the proximity effect. Also, I haven't engaged any of the switches on the back. The SM7b doesn't like being that far away from someone's mouth, but I did it to have a fair comparison. In this video (th-cam.com/video/jKOjX9Hnzbs/w-d-xo.html), I record it by itself and get a different result.

    • @jeffreysbrother
      @jeffreysbrother ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TimMoxeyMusic that might be true. and it does sound a lot better in that link^.
      But it really shouldn't be that severe. I see that you've positioned the SM7 "closer" to the source compared to the 102. (probably because you know that the capsule is recessed).
      Seems like something else is happening. But I don't know! haha.

  • @DG-jq2jq
    @DG-jq2jq ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey man, how are we supposed to hear difference in 720p video?
    Please make it 1440p so that compression on utube isn't killing the audio.

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      I'll see what I can do for future videos.

  • @rickyanthony
    @rickyanthony ปีที่แล้ว

    Dynamic mics loose a lot more bottom end as you increase distance away from the source so not really a fair comparison. But the Neumann will get you a mix ready track out of the box and that's worth it to a lot of people

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      So true that dynamic mics loose bottom end as you get further away, however my aim with all of these videos is to show mics as they are. So having the mics at the same distance makes sense, but i have been thinking of doing the comparison again so I can show both mics and their optimum range.

    • @skorpers
      @skorpers ปีที่แล้ว

      Dynamic doesn't lose more than any other type. You're just used to the muddy sound from being too close which is distortion

    • @rickyanthony
      @rickyanthony ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@skorpers Nope. You're wrong. Read up and test for yourself. The point is that the SM7B is meant to be much closer than any condenser because it was designed for broadcast.

    • @skorpers
      @skorpers ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rickyanthony It's designed to be close because of the recessed capsule and the low sensitivity. Already tested for myself. Reading will do nothing because most content out there fundamentally misunderstands the physics of audio.
      Level matching mics proves all of the SM7B myths wrong.

    • @pow_3658
      @pow_3658 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      bro probably thinks the earth is flat too with all these conspiracy “myths”

  • @kiddkenzo
    @kiddkenzo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have the TLM 103, its too bright for me, too sibilant. Every time i use it i have to EQ away -4 / -5 db in the 6k-10k hz range because of noise and unwanted frequencies. Its a super nice sounding mic otherwise tho, but for me its a waste. Probably better for pure singing rather than rap/rnb modern vocals. (for me) Im going to "downgrade" to a sm7b i think in the coming months, so that its easier for me to put effects on my vocal chain without worrying about sibilance and too much brightness

  • @bacondiefleischwurst
    @bacondiefleischwurst ปีที่แล้ว

    u used the 7b flat?

  • @mikebauer6917
    @mikebauer6917 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just vocals were clearly better on the TLM. The differences were much less dramatic when combined with the guitar.

  • @TimStanford1
    @TimStanford1 ปีที่แล้ว

    💌 condenser 🤟

  • @beatrizsesma1321
    @beatrizsesma1321 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the SMB7 is better if you're on a budget.
    TLM 102 has supreme sound quality (to the point that some VO studios will not allow you to join their ranks if your home studio does not have one). But boy, have you seen the price on that thing?

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hahaha fair point. Neumanns are expensive but i have always enjoyed singing into them. In my opinion they are worth the investment.

    • @skorpers
      @skorpers ปีที่แล้ว

      V67G definitely holds up tot he Neumann in that regard. You can definitely fool a studio into thinking you have one.
      Sound treatment and proper technique makes your recordings for voice acting stand out a lot more than your mic will.

    • @skorpers
      @skorpers ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Those same people wouldn't be able to the Neumann in a blind test.

  • @anthonymoscon18
    @anthonymoscon18 หลายเดือนก่อน

    SM7B sounds better but what is your current chain ?

  • @claudioagmfilho
    @claudioagmfilho 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, TLM …

  • @Koplink64
    @Koplink64 หลายเดือนก่อน

    J'ai le sm7b, le kms 105 et j'ai possédé le tlm 102, je trouve le son plus propre sur le tlm 102 et le kms 105 au niveau des effets appliqués mais le sm7b se place tellement mieux dans un mix, je trouve que le kms et le tlm manque de medium, de présence, de chaleur, de rondeur, comparé au sm7b...

  • @jessebalfour5663
    @jessebalfour5663 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where's the link to your song?, came for the review but stayed for the voice and tune...xox

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      What a goof... I fixed it now. thank you for telling me. Here it is so you don't have to go look. th-cam.com/video/3HK4svhGqw4/w-d-xo.html

  • @imrin4059
    @imrin4059 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    tlm so much more detail in voice

  • @danwebb6766
    @danwebb6766 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man, compared with the TLM-102 the SM7B sounds harsh to my ear. Crazy.

  • @deconnectent1264
    @deconnectent1264 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I keep telling people it's not the mic it's the producer and mixing

  • @fishjuice3987
    @fishjuice3987 ปีที่แล้ว

    for big difference in price sm7b not too bad

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      I really like the SM7b. Check out this video you can hear a little more of what it can do. th-cam.com/video/jKOjX9Hnzbs/w-d-xo.html

  • @thawthaw03
    @thawthaw03 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So which one is better loL

  • @officialchannel1292
    @officialchannel1292 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    these are too different mics. regardless both sound great and the sm7b definitely sounds fire for what it is!!!

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree. Whenever I use the SM7b i really like it. There is just something about it.

  • @victorfaasuamaleaui
    @victorfaasuamaleaui 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Here's Tim singing on The Voice for anyone interested: th-cam.com/video/5ZHJF2Nio3A/w-d-xo.html

  • @hellopsp180
    @hellopsp180 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the TLM102 wins for me man

  • @chancegreenisdead
    @chancegreenisdead ปีที่แล้ว

    TLM102 all day dude its not even close.

  • @PharaohLawLess1
    @PharaohLawLess1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You got some lungs on you! In this instance your voice through the TLM 102 sounds better

  • @s.ri.1020
    @s.ri.1020 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tlm 102

  • @Farehaven
    @Farehaven 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think Neumann

  • @erickjovan
    @erickjovan ปีที่แล้ว

    Guitar model please

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am playing a Cole Clark FL2 in this video.

    • @erickjovan
      @erickjovan ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TimMoxeyMusic sounds and looks amazing

  • @sevchyk
    @sevchyk 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sm7B always sounds like it’s a record from the nineties…

  • @xtremeaudio
    @xtremeaudio ปีที่แล้ว

    Neumann bcm 705 does not sound good to my ears, despite the price difference compared to shure sm7b. Have you tried comparing dynamic to dynamic? TLM102 vs SM7B Gitar test! th-cam.com/video/MK9T5FuB24U/w-d-xo.html and voice test th-cam.com/video/FKqw743SIw8/w-d-xo.html Why The sound is not at all like the one you shared.

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      No I haven't. But I feel that the comparison is valid because both of these mics get used for vocal recording.

    • @xtremeaudio
      @xtremeaudio ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TimMoxeyMusic

  • @arismendymoyav3515
    @arismendymoyav3515 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    equal

  • @powderedwater4742
    @powderedwater4742 ปีที่แล้ว

    noymen?

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      are you asking if thats how it's pronounced? I believe that is correct. If you check out their channel, it's how they say it.

  • @MakeRedWaves-SwingVoter2024
    @MakeRedWaves-SwingVoter2024 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is no way that mic makes that kind of difference. I understand a mic sounding much better than another. But the way it sounded better sounds like it had more to do with your own vocal performance. It appeared that your posture and vocal placements were different. (Cut my comment down, in case it looked rude.)

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is no difference in takes. It is the same take. The difference is truely just proximity. I don't do any correction or processing in my tests. The SM7b is better at a closer range because of the differences in the transducer/capsule design.

  • @rubiooibur8534
    @rubiooibur8534 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I own a sm7b but I am going to sell it 😂

    • @TimMoxeyMusic
      @TimMoxeyMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahaha. I still think it's great. I love it on electric guitar.

    • @rubiooibur8534
      @rubiooibur8534 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TimMoxeyMusic I have an Austrian audio now.. its way better for my voice.. the mids are superb... also I wasn't a fan of the sm7b high frequency it sounded muffled and even with strong pre-amps the noise from the sm7b is noticeable. much more than on a condenser

    • @sevchyk
      @sevchyk 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TimMoxeyMusic Dude, other microphones are plain better. There are no scenarios where SM7B tops them. It’s a bullshit microphone with thick ugly “grey” timbre, muddy low mids and slow gluey transients’ response that kills all the energy in vocals. The only thing that rescues it and makes it sound closer to condensers is the presence boost, but yet again, the sound is not the best, I would say, too “chamber” for big records.