Apple TV 4K [Colour Balance] "Calibration" Reviewed on LG OLED, Samsung QLED & Sony LED LCD
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2024
- We review the new [Colour Balance] feature added by tvOS 14.5 on the Apple TV 4K box. Thank you to Squarespace for sponsoring this video! Head to www.squarespace.com/hdtvtest to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code HDTVTEST.
We ran the [Color Balance] process using an Apple TV 4K box (1st gen) & an iPhone 12 Pro on an LG C9 OLED TV, a Samsung Q80T QLED TV, & a Sony XH90 (X900H) LED LCD television, then measured the results. We even used a Sony BVM-HX310 mastering monitor worth £30,000 as reference.
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Everybody's gangsta until Vincent shows up with the reference monitor 😎😁😂
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Vincent is the man 😎
Ohhhhhh thank you for coming out with this video. I wanted to learn about this calibration option!!
The reason you cannot get rid of your Power Rangers discs........is because everyone already has 2 copies :)
Sweet! I’ve been waiting for your analysis 🧐 on this new feature ever since it came out! Thank you Vincent!
One of the very few calibrators I’d hired. One of the best around. Thank you for your videos. Won’t buy a thing without your approval.
Ah, the best TV channel on TH-cam. You’re great Vincent. Hope you continue to do these for a long time.
Now this is a review of the color balance I will trust. Thank you.
The one thing I like about this kind of calibration is that it would enable me to get more accurate color in game mode on my projector, then I could stream games from my pc to steam link on the Apple TV and have ok colors while in game mode. As is game mode looks horrible for me and you can't make any calibration on the projector while in this mode. It's something that would be super helpful.
I was waiting for this video since this feature is out... ty for doing this 😁
Lmao at the legendary Power Rangers discs
Mighty Power Rangers ❤️😂
Apple 4K TV has 4K Ultra HD Blu ray drive
@@RobertK1993 lol what ?
We should send him more
Vincent is a great troll of the running gag ! Go Go Power Rangers 💚💗💙❤️🖤💛
Hell yea Vincent I was waiting for this video to drop, good stuff man
Keval are you the type of guy that would calibrate from standard mode and introduce posterization to the image?
That’s interesting how the process worked to different measures of success depending on the TV.
I tried it on my Sony XH950 and it came back as not needing adjusting 🤷🏻♂️, obviously using your recommended settings worked 🤣
Thank you for this review - was incredibly useful for me.
That power rangers ebay quip was fantastic!
The video I’ve been waiting for
Thank you Vincent!
Very informative thank you for always stating the facts and not just an opinions
Thank you, great video as always!
Vincent on new stuff like a hawk ❤️
Don’t call him a bird. He’s a man not a cow. He don’t moo, son.
Great and very thorough as usual. Hmmm…is the Samsung LSP9t review coming anytime soon? I just got one and ALR screen arrives today but I am very interested in what you think.
Vincent’s double flexing in one review!! … £30k reference monitor and 2! Copies of Power Rangers … omg you’d da man 😋
whats so significant about power rangers? i thought it sucked?
Nice work Vincent. Any chance you'd have time to do an actual calibration comparison video for an lg oled? I.e. ISF dark before calibration Vs ISF dark after calibration and talking us through the differences? (Assuming it won't be easy to see the difference through your camera).
He charges for this service now as he sublets his settings to a third party.
He,y Vincent. I really enjoy your videos! Have you tried comparing the Sony a80j Dolby vision picture/expert color settings versus an Apple TV color calibration to find out which is more accurate? Thank you.
It would be interesting to see what variation is seen from a series of iphones, or even the same phone multiple times.
Thank you, questions that I had in my head are answered
Vincent you are the A/V Godfather. You are legend.
Your videos are always amazing
Hi Vincent, I could be wrong but you don't seem to be holding the phone at 1 inch from the TV like asked on the first screen. As I see it, you put the phone directly against the screen.
But maybe you did before recording this video ?
In order to get the full 4K, does it have to be plugged into the HDMI 2.1 120hz? Or is it meant to go into the HDMI 2.1 60hz? Thanks!
Quick question - Apple states 4K 60fps with the HDMI 2.1 connection. If 2.1 is capable of 120 fps (not sure if fps and hz are interchangeable here), is this just a matter of a firmware update on Apple's end to allow content to show at the higher frame rates like Gemini Man's intended 120 fps? Or is this going to be another marketing gimmick to sell you another Apple TV in two years?
so the QUESTION here Vincent, for the regular user who doesn’t have access to calibration tools or support, is using ATV calibration better than the out of the box picture ? rarely I saw people around me playing with any sitting of their TV, so using this will help or make it worse for them ?
Vincent, an update would be great to test how far, if any, Apples software has come.
Was that X900H white balance on "standard" when you activated the ATV color measurement or was it already set to a "good" white balance with your own color meters?
Very interesting. I did this on my Samsung Q80R with an IPhone XS. The "Balanced" mode came out very warm. It only let me do it on Dynamic and didn't let me in Movie mode
I have been waiting for this since ios 14.5, thank you Vincent
Vincent, have you had any experience with the Philips fidelio b97 soundbar? I can’t find a single video review of it since most tech channels are US based.
“One of a few items I have in pairs” 😂😅🤣
I wish you could be in the US to calibrate my LG OLED & JVC Projector
How is the JVC projector?
I believe you are missing the second step: “keep the iphone an inch apart from the tv”. This is crucial to allow more light in the camera sensor.
Instructions are "within an inch" not "an inch".... the sensors are measuring wavelength frequency... this is color calibration not light intensity...
@@ShadowPoet NO. ONE INCH. This invalidated EVERYTHING Vincent said afterward and all of his measurements because he did not follow the most basic direction. You can see him at 1:10 literally holding his phone flat onto the surface of the TV screen. This is wrong. And it throws the camera and light sensor measurements way off. I wish Apple had found a way to put a crosshair, circle or some other thing within the outline of the calibration box, so that it could prompt users who don't follow basic directions to BACK OFF their phone to the proper distance. Anyway, calibrating your Apple TV video settings only and leaving all other inputs to your TV uncalibrated (as Apple apparently recommends) is a pretty stupid idea. It's far better to calibrate your TV using your TV's settings, but allowing features within the Apple TV + phone to help you adjust properly. I miss the old days when you just plopped in a DVD with test patterns and you adjusted white balance, contrast, colors, etc. based on the onscreen directions. So much simpler.
@@privatename3621 no. It said within one inch. Not an inch apart. It said Keep your iPhone within 2.5cm here. And for what it’s worth Vincent did the right thing by holding it right upto the TV. As when I tried to hold exactly a inch part my hands wobble like crazy and that will anyday give a bad reading.Anyway, I tried all permutations and combinations like 2.5cm, 1cm, right upto tv with a case of 1cm apart etc. And holding the phone right upto the TV gave the BEST color balance. Which I’m now using.
@@Teja WRONG. Check with Apple. Learn how to follow directions. If Apple wanted people to "place your phone up against the TV screen" they would have said so. Most people understand that "within one inch" general means "about an inch away", and not "ZERO inches flat up against something". It's also common sense, right? The sensors on the back of the phone are being used for visual analysis: light sensor and camera lenses. And there is a big difference between measurements taken when the sensors are pressed right up against a few sub pixels versus measuring the cross-bleed spectral light being emitted from a much larger portion of the colored box when held roughly an inch away. Also, the light output intensity is very different when measured at 0.0 distance vs. an inch.
But, sure, ignore my advice and try it both ways. You get two completely different results. And I would use neither. Because it is far better to adjust your TV settings individually by input than to have Apple set your TV settings globally based on an Apple TV-specific device.
No. Within 2.5 cm means WITHIN that range. Not a range of 1cm-2.5cm. If it was that Apple would mention explicitly to not put it flat against the TV. And also, the goddamn camera and sensors wouldnt even work if it was flat against the TV as you are crying about it. If it wasn’t supposed to work when up against the TV the sensors and camera literally couldn’t catch the light and color. But they do, all the time no matter how many times you repeat. So your silly argument about it being too close to TV and blocking sensors and camera are blocked off is silly cos nothing is ever 0.00 cm away from anything. The Sensors work, Apple TV does its color calibration and I get more accurate results. End of story.
Im not sure why you’re crying about it dude. Again, If it wasn’t supposed to be that way The sensors literally would throw up a error message or something saying “too close” “not enough light” but it never does. You try it yourself and see for yourself instead of talking for mute.
Also, if you don’t care about calibration from Apple then why you complaining? Make up your mind man
Vincent, you don't know how much I appreciate this intro ... you got Straight to the point. I think you get it now.
Finally, thanks!!!
Hi Vincent. You raise a point here about the colour balance feature not being a calibration because it only affects the Apple TV box and not other connected sources. This is exactly the reason why I hate it when people refer to using ICC files on a computer as "monitor calibration". In every example I've seen, they haven't calibrated the monitor (or taught the audience how to) at all! They've simply adjusted the colour output of their PC to compensate for the monitor's inaccuracy!
The fact that it is pretty much universally considered okay to refer to the use of ICC profiles as "monitor calibration" means it's near impossible to find information on how to best set up a display for use with multiple source devices. Have you got any advice on what equipment to use and the methods for setting up a monitor to the best of its ability using only the adjustments available in the menus? I'd really appreciate it.
Calman plus Xrite calibrator + you need to read a thread on display calibration of LG C9 on avsforum.
interesting that you had everything tinting bluer, for me the calibration seemed to introduce a faint GREEN cast to everything. It is disappointing the process doesn't yield better results as propper calibration is expensive, and tools that can be used for calibrating TV's and not just computers are not only expensive, but hard to find (I would LOVE to have my own colorimiter that I could use for all my TV's and computers).
That´s the quality content I come here for. And the dirty jokes of course! :D
Can you make a video of video quality and upscaling between nvidia shield vs apple tv vs native apps
Is it possible to get a guide for the best settings on Nvidia Shield? :) Thanks!
one thing i notice is that the color output from apps on the tv are more vibrant than those that come from an external source like an xbox or an apple tv. does this feature allow the apple tv to match the color volume that comes from native apps? lg oled is constantly disconnecting from wifi, and doesn't have espn or hbo max. i believe i need to move to another platform but the color mismatch from external sources keeps me from doing so.
I think you should repeat this test with budget and midrange TVs. I feel like this feature was intended to work best with "average" TVs people have, and probably doesn't work that great with TVs that are already good.
I’m not going to spend 1/4 to 1/3 the price of my TV on a color calibration kit. I’m probably in the target audience, because this is awesome! Visio is the number 1 selling TV after all (last I checked).
I highly doubt that, Vincent analysis suggest it was profiled for one single display type, which is OLED and not including the 2021 models.
Its for the curious, and the people who have no interest in spending $300 and up for calibration hardware and zero to a $1000 for software.
My kids got me one for Christmas but I haven’t opened it. I don't know what to use it for. I have an LG C9 OLED. Is it better to watch movies from Apple TV 4K or is it better from built in apps? I don't know what to do. Give it back or open it and use it.
Hi Vincent, will you be doing a review on the new Panasonic JZ2000 and can you show how to add the stand alone subwoofer, does it have to be active or passive?
I second a review on the JZ2000 and the JZ1500 as well . I’m surprised there’s not been anything about them yet
So Vincent, could we just put blue light glasses over our iPhones before performing the color calibration test??
how much to fly you to Vancouver (Canada) Vincent? ;) my CX arrives thursday! I'm not sure I would be able to tell the difference of calibration though haha.
I’m in Vancouver as well
@@ScotMatheson we can split the cost! 😂
Are you planning on reviewing the Samsung QN90A?
I tried this on my LG CX65 and it worked, tried it on my old Pioneer LX508 Plasma and couldn’t get it to run
Is there any chance that this color balance will fix tvs which severely undertracks the pq curve .. ??
well, I guess we still need guys like you. 😄
so should I not use color calibration for my LG CX? I run filmmaker mode for both SDR and HDR
How was the chroma set on the ATV? YCBCR 444 or RGB High?
great job! thx!
Fantastic video, Vincent. You covered everything. It’s a novel feature from Apple but one that has the pitfalls that you have highlighted. I ask myself why would they develop such a system? Mmm, the possible answer is that they would either produce their own TV or license out compatibility to other brands with the prefix, set the TV to “insert mode” (cinema, dark room, etc) and then perform the colour calibration.
I wish you the very best for your new venture.
You do understand that it is 10 delta E 2000? That is insane. Maybe less if they targeted D65
Does it in any way improve the picture for anyone that just sets their TV to dynamic/standard picture settings? I completely agree it's a weird reverse calibration thing, instead of fixing the canvas, Apple are putting a band-aid on the artwork. Samsung are coming out with a consumer calibration tool, and here is hoping the competition follows where hopefully as part of the TV setup people get a chance to do at least do a novice job of TV calibration.
Yes, did you even watch the video?
Oh wow! A professional calibrator shooting down competition! Who would have thought.
Hello there i have c9 oled do i get a better quality with apple tv comparing to native apps???
So if you own a oled that has a somewhat accurate picturemode it is pretty good for what it is…
Getting professional calibration is always better but is there an improvement on the discussed TVs from the manufacturer’s presets?
It was ansvered in the video. If the TV has desent calipration. No, it get worse. If the TV calibration is way of, in can improve some features, but not all.
Itdoe ot even target D65. I mean, LOL.
@Vincent who do you recommend in the Los Angeles, CA area for calibration?
Bart Kwan from JK Films.
More importantly are the raised blacks fixed??
I have Spyder X Pro but it does not work with TVs. What do I need to calibrate my LG CX for use with Photoshop on my HDMI 2.1 laptop ?
i will try to calibrate UST projector
If I want to calibrate my own TVs and PC monitors, what would you recommend as the best entry level solution?
I think the Apple TV 4K is actually the entry level calibration now. Other than that you need to get what he had in the video, he said it was entry level.
@@alexanderulv3886 I'm not sure the giant tripod mounted light meter is what most normal people would consider entry level. There are various things out there like the Spyders etc, but it's hard to find solid information on the best place to start as someone looking to get into it, without spending thousands.
Would like to see atv4k calibration on oled, specificaly 77a80
This also works on the old 1080p apple tv
Why the C9 Techicolor mode is so different from the reference image?? Thank you Vincent for all your work!
@Sam Lloyd-Gale thanx dude that's useful new info for me.
@Sam Lloyd-Gale Honest question: why would a user want that? Isn’t most consumer content mastered at a D65 white point?
It is just 100 nits?
I think it’s a reasonable idea and in some cases better than doing nothing.
They likely used the bluer colour because people "prefer" that even though it may be less accurate.
And because you can get to higher luminance with bluer target. And it is less accurate in dark room...
Hey Vinnie! Are we any closer to getting g a peep at the Panasonic’s this year???
Last out of the gate but worth the wait. 🙏🏼👻
No ETA at all.
Is the raised blacks issue fixed before I unpack my new ATV2021
Hi Vincent, have you verified if ATV 4K 2017 has bit perfect output?
its not
I believe anger.miki over at AVS Forum is going to test the new Apple 4K unit for bit perfect output, if he can ever get his hands on one.
The color balance was not good on my sharp 4K 49” tv. So I rest it to how I liked it.
It’s better than what the competition has. It makes cheep TV’s look a little better.
How do I get this to work with a projector?
He did it again. Did anyone hear the fortunately the few items I have in pair?
I have an cheap LG led TV that has horrible default calibration, at least the Apple TV signal looks so much better than other signals but I understand that this can’t be as good as a profesional calibration
And Panasonic OLED ?
waiting for your ipad pro review :-)
I bought a Apple tv and i cant choose the 4K format it only says 1080 at the best i have the 4K 64gb btw what do i do
No Samsung QN95A Unboxing & Review yet?
So Technicolor Expert is the most accurate for the C9? The original C9 review and/or settings video said that it was ISF Expert or Cinema.. Has that changed?
After Technicolor mode’s colour temperature is changed to Warm2, it looks identical to ISF Dark Room anyway, so maybe either mode is fine.
I wonder the same, rtings doesn't mention anything about technicolor in their calibration settings.
I think it is just 100 nits perfectly, but there is no such standard to force 100 nits... there is 160 nits and 120 nits for BT.709 and 80 for sRGB...
@@lolerie I think you replied to the wrong comment
@@emre05x i did not reply to you. It is just youtube mechanism.
@@lolerie I know you didn‘t reply to me, but even the main comment and your comment don‘t have a context my friend. He‘s talking about difference of picture modes and calibration settings not nits.
I tried it on both the Apple TV 2017 and 2021 on my LG CX and I also got a bluish picture and preferred the original.
The one problem with your testing, is that it does not really tell us how useful the Apple TV 4K calibration. I suspect that it is optimized to be useful on cheaper TV that do not have a calibrated mode built-in. So I would be really curious to see what effect it would have on cheap 4K TVs like TCL or HiSense or maybe Vizio.
He doesn’t answer it’s part of his mystique. He is saying it will work on those non-Sony’s. The TVs that can add warmth using thus feature win.
Lol this review, coming from a professional calibrator is already a huge spoiler alert isn’t it? I experienced the same blueish issue.
youtube will support 5.1 on apple tv ?
But wait... standard is warm 2 on ISF mode on LG right? What if after “calibration” you set it to warm 3 🤔
It will destroy the picture. That is why you should use 3DLUT inside TV. Ha.
Please compare nvidia shield with apple tv in terms of upscaling, dolby vision
None of these professionals are reviewing the Nvidia shield. It’s so frustrating
Does any one know how many Bluetooth connecting this unit has is it more than the older unit which was 3 total.
I wonder if you moved your phone to a 1/2” away from the screen instead of right on the actual glass how it would perform.
This. If he measured with the phone making contact with the screen then the phone can’t measure more than a handful of pixels. You’re supposed to hold it at least 1/2” from your TV
@@Kayhan1619 Not „at least“. It says „within“ I tried it with around 1cm and it worked out perfectly
Thanks! Saved me the $ of buying an Apple TV to replace my fire stick
WRONG. Calibration feature is an Apple TV add on for non Sony’s.
@@ericB3444 So what.. still a waste of money.
Can we get 12 inch M1 iPad next?
I guess this is just for people who don‘t know there are picture modes.
great feature imo from Apple.
Waited for your review, so definetly, not as great as the real calibration, but an improvement.
If apple can improve things based on your critical points, it would be awesome.
A HDR10 and Dolby Vision iphone quick calibration would also be appreciated, if possible, its only SDR atm as I understood.
I wonder if the iPhone’s True Tone setting impacts the calibration results
I believe he doesn’t use it . I remember him posting a video on how you shouldn’t use True Tone
Nothing is coming off the screen on the iPhone. It should not make a difference.
You are the best😎
It says to hold within 1 inch - so I am not sure I would have held the phone right against the screen. Did you compare the results for holding against the screen vs slightly away from it?
There is no difference whatsoever, which is of course logical if people understand how light sensors/ colorimeters work.