Don't know if I like this "interpretation," but if we're gonna go down this dark path, here's an even-darker theory (of my own) to chew on: You know that scene where the Wicked Queen transforms herself into the old hag & is going down the stairs to the dungeon, and she passes a skeleton reaching through the bars of his teeny-tiny cell for a jug (that had once presumably held water) that is placed *_just_* out of his reach? That skeleton...is Snow White's dad, the king! 😲
No it's not I'm sorry that might be the huntsman though because she did kill the huntsman if you have read the book Mistress of all evil it literally has a scene where the evil queen literally sees her husband died and that was what causes her to become evil and also the fact that her father is the mirror so she just wants her father to call her pretty
@@davidalicea6705 So, sorry, but the book to which you refer is nothing more than a modern-day retcon, written decades after the movie, and concocted as a result of modern-era Disney's revisionism and reluctance to deal with darker themes (not unlike the way they tried to make Maleficent a hero rather than a cool villainess, thereby ruining the character..) As such, it is therefore no more valid than my interpretation. Moreover, the skeleton had obviously been down there for a long, long time, a lot longer than could have been accounted for by the time since the huntsman's actions and the Queen's discovery that she'd been duped and her subsequent plot with the poison apple. (Or do you think corpses become skeletons in matters of mere days? You didn't think this through very thoroughly, did you?) Therefore, it couldn't be the huntsman, who'd probably long since taken off for parts unknown if he had any sense. So...no, nice try but you're going to have to do better than rely on a dumb after-the-fact revisionist retcon teen-novel to make your point.
@@danielasarmiento3101 if I remember correctly. When the Brothers Grimm printed the story for the first time, it was Snow White's mother who was so jealous of her daughter's beauty and her daughter's relationship with her huspen that she took Snow White out into the woods and left her there. But people thought it was too brutal, because "no" biological mother would do anything so vicious to their own children. so when they printed the story for the second time, they had changed Snow White's mother into a stepmother. It really makes you wonder about all the other fairy tales, such as Little Red Riding Hood, which does not meet a wolf(the animal) and is not rescued by a hunter.
A queen pricked her finger while sewing and several drops fell on to the snow, she wishes for a daughter with skin white as snow, lips red as blood and hair dark as ebony, the queen dies in childbirth. At seven years old the little princess gets a step mother who is vain with a magic mirror who declares the child the most fair, the queen task her huntsman to kill her, but he falls for her beauty and let's her escape and brings the heart of a deer to the queen in place of Snow Whites. The child finds herself at the home of seven dwarfs who after hearing her story decide to hide her....10 years pass before the queen ask her mirror who the fairest is with the mirror explaining that Snow White is still alive, more fair, and hiding with the dwarves. Three times the queen disguises herself and tries to kill her, 1) a lace bodice (type of corset) that she ties around Snow White so tight she stops breathing, but the dwarves free her. 2) she places a poisoned comb in her hair that seems to work, but again the dwarves remove it. 3) the last time is with a poisoned apple that works completely even the dwarves can't save her and believe her dead, too beautiful to be buried they lay her in a glass coffin, soon a prince comes upon the scene and hears the tale from the dwarves and vows to take her body to rest at her father's castle, along the way while carrying the coffin a servant of the prince trips and almost loses he's balance, this causes the poisoned apple to dislodge and Snow White is awakened, the prince is amazed and overjoyed and declares his love and proposes to her, though surprised by the prince and his offer she accepts. The queen once again ask her mirror who the fairest in the land is, the mirror replies that the bride of the prince is more fair, the queen goes to see for herself who this bride is and is furious to see it is Snow White, she tries once again to kill her, but is stoped by the prince who then learns all she has done to his bride to be, as punishment the queen is forced to wear red hot iron slippers and dance to death at the wedding.
Imagine the embarrassment of the evil queen when she learns that the magic mirror was just saying that Snow White was the most impartial person in the Kingdom
Really? Let me tell you a secret. The Brothers Grimm already made these stories a lot lighter. Those stories were originally old volk tales they gathered and rewrote them. One of the common changes was that they got happy endings while keeping the warning messages they had. If you think they are dark, never look up the original versions. They weren'd dark. They weren't absolutely dark. They were straight horrible.
Well, with Frozen they technically did create their own version of an existing story; it was just so drastically different from the original that it's barely recognizable.
The whole premise of Snow White is the gist right here: *Snow White is a lost Princess looking for an escape. To be at peace she had to find a way out. She was lost in purgatory.*
yeah. and her step-mother was doing everything she could to help Snow White launch her wings and leave the nest with her dignity intact. Problem was every time Snow White left the nest, she wound up doing something sketchy. Whether it was living with 7 West Virginia coal mining midgets, or lying to the flannel wearing gigilo about being underage. The step-mother was doing her job as Snow White's guardian.
If we're looking at the animals and dwarves and prince as figments of her imagination, then we could potentially expand that to the rest of the movie. Perhaps the queen wasn't really a witch, but that was all just Snow White's imaginings of the queen's actions and motivations. Maybe the queen just feared Snow White's lineage threatening her claim to the throne, but Snow White couldn't understand any of that, so imagined her as a witch who envied her beauty. The crone may have just been another assassin, but Snow White simply imagined her as the queen herself, and concocted the transformation. Once we start looking at part of the movie as hallucinations or imaginings without the movie explicitly telling us so, then it opens the door to the entire thing being similarly unreliable. Not that it's a bad thing, just another interesting aspect to think about.
I totally forgot about the "castle in the sky" at the end. Religious based stories were really popular around that time. Just look at how many bible story movies Hollywood made in that time period. It's also around the time of the Great Depression when many people had nothing but their beliefs to cling to. So I think it's possible this theory is correct.
Religious stories are popular today, its just Hollywood now does a terrible job at telling them. More fictional stories borrow from religious stories than you think
The Brothers Grimm collected stories together, but the original stories were passed down through via oral tradition. The Brothers Grimm didn't actually invent the stories themselves. A lot of folk tales actually existed as a means to warn children against certain behaviours. For example Hansel and Gretel teaches against taking candy from strangers. In the Brothers Grimm version of Cinderella the Step Sisters actually mutilate their own feet trying to wear the glass slippers, they don't just try to squeeze them inside to comedic affect
I was told that usually, when somebody is seriously considering ending themselves, it isn't necessarily because they believe everything sucks, it's usually because they're convinced it will NEVER get better. That right now, is the best it's going to be and things will never improve, only get worse from here. many of those that don't go through with it, don't because either somebody convinced them this is NOT always going to be like this, or they decided that on their own.
In my experience suicidal thoughts often occur when as a thought when you're in so much mental stress and pain you just want to escape, you feel that the mental stress and pain you're enduring is far to great for you to deal with you seek the only option you feel you have which is Suicide and this can be true for physical pain when someone is in so much physical pain they rather kill themselves quickly than suffer.
The Brothers Grim are freaking BRUTAL with their stories. I'm like forty two point eighty three percent positive they didn't mean for these to be kids stories and some idiots were like "Hey, lets make these into kids stories,"
I've noticed your voice has been getting incrementally higher pitched with each passing month. By summer you might get to sounding like an anime waifu. I pray for the day that never happens.
Hmm... so does that mean Alteori is a v-tuber? Kind of fits. Animated persona talking to us about things. Add a chat to interact with and that's the last step.
@@concubusbunnyart8797 She explained in the past that her voice is naturally high pitched and she forced it to sound deeper so people would take her seriously. I think her old voice is escaping and I'm not sure how aware of it she is.
@@matthewnoybn6656 Not currently, and if it stays this pitch and this is natural for her it doesn't bother me but she can be squeaky a lot and it can add charm in small use, but if that was constantly her voice, how fast would that get old?
As much as I love this video people seem to forget when the The Evil Queen checks her spell book again it says “The victim of the sleeping death can be revived only by love’s first kiss.” And then she says “No fear of that the Dwarfs will think she’s dead, she’ll be buried alive!” So Snow White doesn’t actually die. The reason why the castle is in the clouds is because it’s supposed to be very far away. I think it’s an interesting theory but when I mentioned this on another video of the same theory people kept coming at me saying “ I’m stupid .” And to them I’m like did you even watch the movie? Lol. I still liked your video and you went into a lot of depth about different aspects of your take on the theory! Snow White has always been my favorite Disney Princess!!
Yeah, I was thinking of that too. She didn’t actually die. But man it was interesting to watch this theory. I don’t believe it because I prefer the happier ending. Plus that one line dismisses most of it.
I would love to see a version of snow white where they openly say that the price is death or the grim reaper or whatever, it would make a dark movie but a interesting one
Really almost all of the Grims fairytales had darker details that got drummed out. Little mermaid turning into seafoam being one example. 🎩 🐍 no step on snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
Peck on the lips? Yeah I'm sure we all thought the same thing. Popcorn Planet, Andy broke it down. The prince didn't kiss her on the lips, he kissed her on the cheek.
Almost all of the stories from The Brothers Grimm had brutally violent ends for most of their characters (hero or villain)! Ever wonder what REALLY happened to Cinderella's wicked stepmother and her stepsister(s)? (It wasn't a "pretty sight"...)
Alteory: Childhood ruined? Me: This always happened to me since I joined the film theory channel... AND I LIKE THE FEELING THAT A DISNEY MOVIE IS ACTAUALLY DARK :)
I never wondered why 7 dwarves living in a cabin in the woods might obtain a coffin of glass and gold but wouldn't seek out any healer or doctor. I just took it all at face value, because that's the sort of stuff that happened in fairy tales. Back in the long -time-ago days.
@@mediatorraptor3349 Good point. I'm not up on the particulars, but if they're that skilled, and have that much gold , again, why not find a healer? ( because she's DEAD! That's why! ) lol
By the way, I really love your ability to go so far with your mind. You are extremely creative and open-minded while at the same time having a strong grasp on reality as far as I could tell.
Sleeping beauty is also a dark story too, almost all old stories that Disney used are originally dark One story in particular that bother me the most, is Pocahontas. Which by the way Pocahontas is not her real name, Her story was also dark.
the original story is sooooooo so much darker even then this. as the prince was a king. and true loves kiss was forced impregnation. being woken by the final result
That's the original story of Sleeping beauty, not Snow White. The original Snow White is more similar to the Disney version but in the end prince forces the evil queen to dance in red hot iron shoes until she dies. Also in some versions Snow White wakes up not because of the true love's kiss but because the piece of poisoned apple is removed from her throat while she's being transported.
Will say that you have an interesting theory and take on the movie. The symbolism you pulled on in your theory was strong, from the religious angle was organically in it. Though a bit of information some don't know about the Original Fairy Tale that I wonder influenced some of the choices in how to take the movie's direction during production. At the end of the original German version penned by the brothers Grimm, the wicked queen is fatally punished for trying to kill Snow White. It's the method she is punished by that is so strange "“ she is made to dance wearing a pair of red-hot iron shoes until she falls over dead. As well as the apple Snow White ate got lodge in her throat, this kept her from fully ingesting the poison, leaving her in a comma basically until while transporting the coffin for the prince, the Dwarfs dropped the coffin causing Snow White to spit out the apple. This was explained and shown in original writing in my German Language class as lot of the text we read for practice was all the old fairy tales that came from Germany
Well that got dark really fast. I loved it and please keep making more old Disney movie references. Given I like the original stories more and always find it fascinating how Disney makes it rated G.
THESE ARE FOLK TALES FOR KIDS IN EARLIER TIMES & OFTEN HAD A LIFE LESSON IN THEM However, parents then started making them happy endings because of their kids, removing the lesson of not trusting strangers, being aware of scams or things too good to be true, etc
such a clear logical break down that makes your point very well. I also appreciated your talk on suicide, heart felt and direct. As someone who has fought with those thouhgts I can see you understood so well. Thank you as always
Wait what about when the evil queen looks out the window during the song? You can't possibly tell me that she was jealous that death was talking to Snow White, or was that also her imagination? 🤔
Maybe she was just angry Snow White was dancing around singing when she was supposed to be working, probably hated seeing her step daughter find any happiness in the hell she enforced on her at all.
@@Dinoslay yeah she has a pretty messed up back story her father was never saying she was beautiful because her mother died giving birth to her and when she made the prince she was happy until the prince died on the battlefield and she saw it because the magic mirror AKA her father showed her the last moments of the person she loved this causes of going to despair get depressed take out her best friend out of the castle and kill Snow White but of course she didn't kill snow like and Snow White survived her ending is pretty tragic but then she was put into a mirror and she became the magic mirror for Snow White just like her father was for her
In folklore of germanic and celtic origin a white horse or stag generally signifies otherworld shennanigans, and the old hag has deep roots in the Morrigan and the Norns. Archetype stuff. The pre-Grimm history of the tale is fascinating, especially the idea of the moral expressing the feminine virtues in contrast to what is undesirable. Good video.
It makes some degree of sense, it may ultimately be dependant on ones perspective. Honestly though, I love the haunting music added in. I am currently playing Final Fantasy 14 and watching videos to help pass the time, but the music really struck me to the core. Fantastic job!]:3
I just figured that Snow White and the Prince (I'm just gonna call him either...David) were just friends growing up with the Prince's parents unable to do anything within fear of the Queen.
When I was a wee young lad, I did kind of think it was strange to have the castle be in the sky, and it did invoke thoughts about heaven in my mind. I think Snow White was brought physically back to life and then was raptured into heaven.
This channel has quickly be came one of my favorites! So I subscribed :) :) :) Also I love this theory, though I truly believe the Prince was really there. But He wasn't as kind hearted as the showed him to be, I think he was a cruel Son of King who needed to find a woman to be his Queen so he could get the Crown as King and Rule like Tyrannical King. On a Side note, there was movie or mini series where Snow White returns to look for here Prince who has gone missing so has the Seven Dwarfs! But She has the Saven Dwarf's wives traveling with her to help her on the journey.
The Prince actually did come back for Snow White. When he did, the Queen captured him and locked him in the dungeon. He managed to escape, but by then Snow White was long gone (possibly she was already with the Dwarfs when he got captured) and so that's why he was "looking all over for her." The scenes were created but ultimately cut from the movie because it was felt there was no need to spend any of the run-time on him.
This series if it becomes a saga it will be a great series,also this is one amazing Alteori video about the tragic life of Snow White. Also I wish you a good day,and a safe one too
Check this old anime from the 1970s called " Kanashimi no Belladonna"- BELLADONNA OF SADNESS. That movie had a weird and unique anime style and it is weird as fuck, but has deep meaning. It's about Joan of Arc.
On another page there's Neil Gaiman's version of Snowwhite and it fucked up . If I remember correctly it's in Smoke and Mirrors or the Graveyard book one or the other . There's a powerful story about a Werefox there as well if you can get the audiobook for it Gaiman's voice is oddly soothing in tone in his stories 🤔
You are right about the psychological/spiritual break down, as children these we were conditioned to accept as things were. I agree with your interpretations am 54 years old back then had seen things for what they were, and not come terms not until my personal experiences, and understanding my mental illnesses in my mature state.
"But hey, that's just a theory, a Film Theory. Aaaaand cut." LOL (But seriously, interesting theory. The last scene of the movie was really obvious, imo)
Most fairy tail are really dark when you open you mind only a little bit and most "happy" endings are more gray then black and white. That is why I personally loved the stories of the brother Grimm so much as a child there are so many ways to read them. The stories are from the brothers GRIMM so what is in a name right ?
In defense of the Evil Queen; Snow White suffered from some serious mental illness. She spent all her time by herself, talking to animals, and getting trained by 7 creepy old men. Snow White's stepmother did everything she could to get her daughter married off. If the Evil Queen had really wanted to kill Snow White, then why is the only cure for the poison apple 'true love first kiss'?? You would think that if she really wanted her dead, then she wouldn't have put in a resurrection clause! That proves that the Evil Queen cared. Even more, the Evil Queen sacrificed the last of her youth and beauty to try and get her bipolar step-daughter hooked up with a prince and financial security. The Evil Queen was a gawddamn hero! If Snow White were left to her own devices, she would have wasted all her opportunities and probably ended up knocked up with 7 little dwarf babies in an opium den.
Pretty sure that in the og Cinderella the step sisters got off their feet or something Oh and Ariel turns into sea foam at the end of the og liltle mermaid so yeah Happy mother's day
The prince fell in love with snow white corpse and wanted to take it back to his castle but on the way one of his man dropped it and. It cursed the apple to unlodge from snow white throat and she can back all because the prince wanted yo do something with her corpse
@@bluegaron6225 sleeping beauty (Italian version) was raped by a passing king and gave birth to twins while asleep, she only woke up when the babies suckled the magical splinter from her finger , the kings wife realizing what the king had done tried to have the babies cooked and fed to the king and sleeping beauty burned at the stake , luckily the chef couldn't find it in his heart to kill them and simple switched them out for lambs instead
@@danielasarmiento3101 true i have read some of the older fairytail in there darker form and when i read those my respects for Disney grow to keep the story close without revealing the true darks stuff it a ball's movie. That why i found that nonconsensual kiss so laughable funny. when the prince was more then likey gonna have sex with snow white corpse
From what I remember the stepmother made her daughters to cut a part of their feet so they can fit in cinderella's lost shoe and yes,there was blood in the shoe. And when the sisters came and went from a wedding pigeons pecked out their eyes.
She is alive in a birthday special for Donald Duck, in which the characters are in “actor” mode than “character” mode. For the longest time, Disney characters were (and maybe still are) implied to be Animated Actors, from the Disney comics, to Mickey’s Christmas Carol, to House of Mouse.
Boy, this one is right up there with the theory that the dwarves are the seven stages of drug addiction. But aside from that, I've been thinking on what the moral of the story is. Most of these fairy tales were intended to teach morals or life lessons, especially the Victorian retellings of the Grimm tales. But thinking on the story of Snow White again, I can't help but feel the moral of the story isn't for little kids (not directly anyway), but rather for the mothers. Think about it, most fairy tales teach that if you do something bad, bad things will happen to you, so don't do those bad things. Snow White is a complete innocent, one that's saved at the end of the story. But the Queen, she's not innocent. She's jealous of a younger woman, and does some horrid things to keep ahold of her title as the most beautiful woman in the land. She goes so far she turns herself into a hideous hag just to kill the younger woman, and in the end she's killed for it. The lesson of Snow White is that beauty always fades, and shouldn't let jealousy consume you.
I think that’s one of the messages of the Movie. The transformation of the Queen to a hag, literally showed us the true ugliness of the Queen’s heart/soul. This is a complete foil to the heart/soul of Snow White. Ever noticed how as the Queen was about to crush the drawfs to death? Ironically, she is struck off the cliff by lightning and crushed by that very same boulder. As if some sort of divinity was watching and punished her on the spot. This was instant karma. In the end, Snow won and the Queen lost.
When I saw this in the theater at age 5, I saw myself as the prince and had a kind of crush on Snow White. There was a girl in 1st grade that looked like her and there was always a kind of enchantment about her. Maybe it was the voice. I loved her singing.
Brothers Grimm: Let's write a story about a princess and dwarves. Walt Disney: I think I'll reinterpret it for a family audience. Alteori: (Metal Guitar Riff) Laughs... amateurs.
The manifestation of death allegory reminded me of this Twilight Zone episode called "Nothing in the dark" with Robert Redford. Where this old woman who fears death helps out this attractive young guy out, and he turns out to be Death himself. Studies so show that we are likely to trust someone who is more physically attractive, so I think all that is pretty interesting.
Not sure where I heard it (possibly Harrison's 'Hollows chronicles') but some say that the original Grimm fairy tales didn't end with 'They lived happily ever after' but 'They lunged happily in the ever after'. Suggesting that invariably stuff like this happened..
Yes, they thought up REALLY horrible stuff back then. We would rather to believe old people and old times were somehow innocent and only now are we dealing with terrible things. Not true! Simply ask yourself: Would you go to the local arena to watch people get fed to lions? Well... that's what people used to do. I'm pretty sure their standards were WAY worse than today. Most old stuff is likely creepier than whatever you're watching today.
This makes too much sense. I also had imaginary friends growing. It took a while, but as an adult I have learned to keep it all in my head. For which I'm glad because now there's no limit to the adventures I go on. I don't even have to be present anymore. Also thank you for being respectful about religion.
I love the way you broke this down because I have never taken a close look at this because I'm a guy in I wasn't into Snow White but now that you took it bit by bit wow I got to keep my youngins away from this! 🤣🤣🤣
Don't know if I like this "interpretation," but if we're gonna go down this dark path, here's an even-darker theory (of my own) to chew on:
You know that scene where the Wicked Queen transforms herself into the old hag & is going down the stairs to the dungeon, and she passes a skeleton reaching through the bars of his teeny-tiny cell for a jug (that had once presumably held water) that is placed *_just_* out of his reach?
That skeleton...is Snow White's dad, the king! 😲
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@@Alteori About the Video:
Yes, that's germany in all of its glory...😂
No it's not I'm sorry that might be the huntsman though because she did kill the huntsman if you have read the book Mistress of all evil it literally has a scene where the evil queen literally sees her husband died and that was what causes her to become evil and also the fact that her father is the mirror so she just wants her father to call her pretty
@@davidalicea6705 So, sorry, but the book to which you refer is nothing more than a modern-day retcon, written decades after the movie, and concocted as a result of modern-era Disney's revisionism and reluctance to deal with darker themes (not unlike the way they tried to make Maleficent a hero rather than a cool villainess, thereby ruining the character..) As such, it is therefore no more valid than my interpretation.
Moreover, the skeleton had obviously been down there for a long, long time, a lot longer than could have been accounted for by the time since the huntsman's actions and the Queen's discovery that she'd been duped and her subsequent plot with the poison apple. (Or do you think corpses become skeletons in matters of mere days? You didn't think this through very thoroughly, did you?) Therefore, it couldn't be the huntsman, who'd probably long since taken off for parts unknown if he had any sense.
So...no, nice try but you're going to have to do better than rely on a dumb after-the-fact revisionist retcon teen-novel to make your point.
@@MrPGC137 Exactly. The Queen and the 1959 Maleficent were simply marvellous.
Fun fact: in the original story, her mother never died, the "step mom" character *is* her real mom
I thought that it was stated that her real mother died, then again things get lost in translation
That makes it soooo much worse
@@danielasarmiento3101 if I remember correctly.
When the Brothers Grimm printed the story for the first time, it was Snow White's mother who was so jealous of her daughter's beauty and her daughter's relationship with her huspen that she took Snow White out into the woods and left her there.
But people thought it was too brutal, because "no" biological mother would do anything so vicious to their own children.
so when they printed the story for the second time, they had changed Snow White's mother into a stepmother.
It really makes you wonder about all the other fairy tales, such as Little Red Riding Hood, which does not meet a wolf(the animal) and is not rescued by a hunter.
But snow white brutality murdered her by making her wear red hot shoes
@@coreylevine8095 when?
A queen pricked her finger while sewing and several drops fell on to the snow, she wishes for a daughter with skin white as snow, lips red as blood and hair dark as ebony, the queen dies in childbirth.
At seven years old the little princess gets a step mother who is vain with a magic mirror who declares the child the most fair, the queen task her huntsman to kill her, but he falls for her beauty and let's her escape and brings the heart of a deer to the queen in place of Snow Whites.
The child finds herself at the home of seven dwarfs who after hearing her story decide to hide her....10 years pass before the queen ask her mirror who the fairest is with the mirror explaining that Snow White is still alive, more fair, and hiding with the dwarves.
Three times the queen disguises herself and tries to kill her,
1) a lace bodice (type of corset) that she ties around Snow White so tight she stops breathing, but the dwarves free her.
2) she places a poisoned comb in her hair that seems to work, but again the dwarves remove it.
3) the last time is with a poisoned apple that works completely even the dwarves can't save her and believe her dead, too beautiful to be buried they lay her in a glass coffin, soon a prince comes upon the scene and hears the tale from the dwarves and vows to take her body to rest at her father's castle, along the way while carrying the coffin a servant of the prince trips and almost loses he's balance, this causes the poisoned apple to dislodge and Snow White is awakened, the prince is amazed and overjoyed and declares his love and proposes to her, though surprised by the prince and his offer she accepts.
The queen once again ask her mirror who the fairest in the land is, the mirror replies that the bride of the prince is more fair, the queen goes to see for herself who this bride is and is furious to see it is Snow White, she tries once again to kill her, but is stoped by the prince who then learns all she has done to his bride to be, as punishment the queen is forced to wear red hot iron slippers and dance to death at the wedding.
Needs to be a Metal concept album.
Imagine the embarrassment of the evil queen when she learns that the magic mirror was just saying that Snow White was the most impartial person in the Kingdom
Magic often is depicted requiring literal translation
Apparently that is what the magic mirror will do in the new live-action film.
Yeah at least Disney makes these old The Brothers Grimm stories as light as possible, but these stories are absolutely dark
They're not dark , they are pitch black
@@danielasarmiento3101 oooh that's a nail on the head right there
@@Revys_Husband343 pretty much
fairy tales and folklores are old way of passing down moral or life lesson metaphorically, so majority of those are never sunshine and rainbow.
Really? Let me tell you a secret. The Brothers Grimm already made these stories a lot lighter. Those stories were originally old volk tales they gathered and rewrote them. One of the common changes was that they got happy endings while keeping the warning messages they had.
If you think they are dark, never look up the original versions. They weren'd dark. They weren't absolutely dark. They were straight horrible.
Old Disney; Create thier version of the story
New Disney; Creates thier own story of the specific culture
Well, with Frozen they technically did create their own version of an existing story; it was just so drastically different from the original that it's barely recognizable.
The whole premise of Snow White is the gist right here: *Snow White is a lost Princess looking for an escape. To be at peace she had to find a way out. She was lost in purgatory.*
yeah. and her step-mother was doing everything she could to help Snow White launch her wings and leave the nest with her dignity intact. Problem was every time Snow White left the nest, she wound up doing something sketchy. Whether it was living with 7 West Virginia coal mining midgets, or lying to the flannel wearing gigilo about being underage.
The step-mother was doing her job as Snow White's guardian.
A female Dante, going through her own Hell to find her way to heaven and redemption
Childhood ruined? No, childhood improved! In my opinion this makes the movie so much better, I love all the extra depth and symbolism!
If we're looking at the animals and dwarves and prince as figments of her imagination, then we could potentially expand that to the rest of the movie.
Perhaps the queen wasn't really a witch, but that was all just Snow White's imaginings of the queen's actions and motivations. Maybe the queen just feared Snow White's lineage threatening her claim to the throne, but Snow White couldn't understand any of that, so imagined her as a witch who envied her beauty. The crone may have just been another assassin, but Snow White simply imagined her as the queen herself, and concocted the transformation.
Once we start looking at part of the movie as hallucinations or imaginings without the movie explicitly telling us so, then it opens the door to the entire thing being similarly unreliable. Not that it's a bad thing, just another interesting aspect to think about.
so the entire movie is just little girl Snow White wandering and talking to herself in the forest until she die of exposure to the element, awesome
I totally forgot about the "castle in the sky" at the end. Religious based stories were really popular around that time. Just look at how many bible story movies Hollywood made in that time period. It's also around the time of the Great Depression when many people had nothing but their beliefs to cling to. So I think it's possible this theory is correct.
Religious stories are popular today, its just Hollywood now does a terrible job at telling them.
More fictional stories borrow from religious stories than you think
Welcome to the Grim Brothers story we're more dark and scary while Walt Disney just turned it to a kid friendly version
Haaah. You know the Brothers Grimm were the old school Disney right? They made even older stories lighter and more child friendly.
@@hernehaugen6878 wait really???
@@joandarc441 Yup.
The Brothers Grimm collected stories together, but the original stories were passed down through via oral tradition.
The Brothers Grimm didn't actually invent the stories themselves. A lot of folk tales actually existed as a means to warn children against certain behaviours.
For example Hansel and Gretel teaches against taking candy from strangers.
In the Brothers Grimm version of Cinderella the Step Sisters actually mutilate their own feet trying to wear the glass slippers, they don't just try to squeeze them inside to comedic affect
I was told that usually, when somebody is seriously considering ending themselves, it isn't necessarily because they believe everything sucks, it's usually because they're convinced it will NEVER get better. That right now, is the best it's going to be and things will never improve, only get worse from here. many of those that don't go through with it, don't because either somebody convinced them this is NOT always going to be like this, or they decided that on their own.
I can relate for me things will never get better but I made myself believe that it's not worth ending myself for it so here I am
In my experience suicidal thoughts often occur when as a thought when you're in so much mental stress and pain you just want to escape, you feel that the mental stress and pain you're enduring is far to great for you to deal with you seek the only option you feel you have which is Suicide and this can be true for physical pain when someone is in so much physical pain they rather kill themselves quickly than suffer.
I REALLY hope @Alteori does a series of all the grim stories and compare to Disney alts. Cause this was great
The old brothers grim story is insane same with Sleeping beauty.
The Brothers Grim are freaking BRUTAL with their stories. I'm like forty two point eighty three percent positive they didn't mean for these to be kids stories and some idiots were like "Hey, lets make these into kids stories,"
If they thought Snow White's kiss was bad, they would have a field day with Sleeping Beauty's original story.
I think Little Mermaid, too.
Giambatista Basile and Hans Christian Anderson are way worse , like grim brothers are less messed up
Rose red man. Rose red....
Almost every single old story that Disney has adapted into a cartoon is way darker than they show in the films.
Yup. In the original Hans Christian Anderson Little Mermaid story, the mermaid died at the end.
This girl's ability and willingness to self-assess is remarkable. Admirable and consequently, rare. Rock on Little Black Fox.
Like I said the prince was the grim reaper.
Also at first I was like: "Oh Alteori, you're taking it to seriously", but then the castle in the sky appeared at the end and... Damn
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I've noticed your voice has been getting incrementally higher pitched with each passing month. By summer you might get to sounding like an anime waifu. I pray for the day that never happens.
Hmm... so does that mean Alteori is a v-tuber? Kind of fits. Animated persona talking to us about things. Add a chat to interact with and that's the last step.
Actually her voice is naturally high pitch she trained herself to talk with a lower pitch cause of voice dysphoria as a transfem I understand the pain
@@concubusbunnyart8797 She explained in the past that her voice is naturally high pitched and she forced it to sound deeper so people would take her seriously. I think her old voice is escaping and I'm not sure how aware of it she is.
@@donovanrooney4077 is that a bad thing?
@@matthewnoybn6656 Not currently, and if it stays this pitch and this is natural for her it doesn't bother me but she can be squeaky a lot and it can add charm in small use, but if that was constantly her voice, how fast would that get old?
As much as I love this video people seem to forget when the The Evil Queen checks her spell book again it says “The victim of the sleeping death can be revived only by love’s first kiss.” And then she says “No fear of that the Dwarfs will think she’s dead, she’ll be buried alive!” So Snow White doesn’t actually die. The reason why the castle is in the clouds is because it’s supposed to be very far away. I think it’s an interesting theory but when I mentioned this on another video of the same theory people kept coming at me saying “ I’m stupid .” And to them I’m like did you even watch the movie? Lol. I still liked your video and you went into a lot of depth about different aspects of your take on the theory! Snow White has always been my favorite Disney Princess!!
Yeah, I was thinking of that too. She didn’t actually die. But man it was interesting to watch this theory. I don’t believe it because I prefer the happier ending. Plus that one line dismisses most of it.
Every time Bambi would look for his mother, I'd stop the movie and go looking for mine. 😅
Awwwww
I would love to see a version of snow white where they openly say that the price is death or the grim reaper or whatever, it would make a dark movie but a interesting one
Trust me older versions of snow white are much darker
Really almost all of the Grims fairytales had darker details that got drummed out.
Little mermaid turning into seafoam being one example.
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🐍 no step on snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
The story with Rumpelstiltskin
In one story he ripped himself apart
In another he jumped the princess to be stuck inside her if I remember correctly
Little mermaid is not from Grimms. It's from Hans Christian Andersen.
No so grim. Unlike all the merfolk, she earned having a soul. Although she died, she now had a soul and everlasting life.
When I was a little kid watching the end scene I always thought ‘that castle looks like heaven’. Interesting looking back.
Peck on the lips? Yeah I'm sure we all thought the same thing. Popcorn Planet, Andy broke it down. The prince didn't kiss her on the lips, he kissed her on the cheek.
Even if he had, so what? He was in love with her
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 I'm focusing on the kiss. I know all that. She sang that she wanted to be swept off her feet. They both wanted it.
Almost all of the stories from The Brothers Grimm had brutally violent ends for most of their characters (hero or villain)! Ever wonder what REALLY happened to Cinderella's wicked stepmother and her stepsister(s)? (It wasn't a "pretty sight"...)
Even worse the Grimm Brothers aren't even the most brutal , Giambatista Basile and Hans Christian Anderson made even more brutal stories
yep. tap dancing in very warm shoes
"Eye" see what you did there.
From what I remember when the sisters came and went from a wedding pigeons pecked out their eyes.
@@wesavis5592 Thought it was doves.
Alteory: Childhood ruined?
Me: This always happened to me since I joined the film theory channel... AND I LIKE THE FEELING THAT A DISNEY MOVIE IS ACTAUALLY DARK :)
Ahh yes ruining my child hood every Saturday is my fav pass time
I never wondered why 7 dwarves living in a cabin in the woods might obtain a coffin of glass and gold but wouldn't seek out any healer or doctor. I just took it all at face value, because that's the sort of stuff that happened in fairy tales. Back in the long -time-ago days.
I thought they made it by using the minerals and gems they mined in the mine
@@mediatorraptor3349 they did
@@mediatorraptor3349 Good point. I'm not up on the particulars, but if they're that skilled, and have that much gold , again, why not find a healer? ( because she's DEAD! That's why! ) lol
By the way, I really love your ability to go so far with your mind. You are extremely creative and open-minded while at the same time having a strong grasp on reality as far as I could tell.
Thanks 😃
Sleeping beauty is also a dark story too, almost all old stories that Disney used are originally dark
One story in particular that bother me the most, is Pocahontas. Which by the way Pocahontas is not her real name, Her story was also dark.
the original story is sooooooo so much darker even then this. as the prince was a king. and true loves kiss was forced impregnation. being woken by the final result
True Love's True R_pe.
yah and he thought she was dead so he thought he was doing a corpse so >.< the fuck .....
That's the original story of Sleeping beauty, not Snow White. The original Snow White is more similar to the Disney version but in the end prince forces the evil queen to dance in red hot iron shoes until she dies. Also in some versions Snow White wakes up not because of the true love's kiss but because the piece of poisoned apple is removed from her throat while she's being transported.
I will never look at this movie the same way again now.
You just made me like the story of Snow White far more then I ever did. Well done Alteori!
😭why did this hit so haaaaaaarrrrrrrrd!?!?!?! Between the theory and Altis' honesty....., I need a friggin hug!!!!!
The story in a disney movie: happy family friendly pg stories
The original story: f ing demonic shit
Will say that you have an interesting theory and take on the movie. The symbolism you pulled on in your theory was strong, from the religious angle was organically in it.
Though a bit of information some don't know about the Original Fairy Tale that I wonder influenced some of the choices in how to take the movie's direction during production. At the end of the original German version penned by the brothers Grimm, the wicked queen is fatally punished for trying to kill Snow White. It's the method she is punished by that is so strange "“ she is made to dance wearing a pair of red-hot iron shoes until she falls over dead. As well as the apple Snow White ate got lodge in her throat, this kept her from fully ingesting the poison, leaving her in a comma basically until while transporting the coffin for the prince, the Dwarfs dropped the coffin causing Snow White to spit out the apple.
This was explained and shown in original writing in my German Language class as lot of the text we read for practice was all the old fairy tales that came from Germany
"She (The Queen) had to put on the red-hot iron shoes and dance in them until she dropped to the ground dead."
Snow White has some menace in her.
Well that got dark really fast. I loved it and please keep making more old Disney movie references. Given I like the original stories more and always find it fascinating how Disney makes it rated G.
THESE ARE FOLK TALES FOR KIDS IN EARLIER TIMES & OFTEN HAD A LIFE LESSON IN THEM
However, parents then started making them happy endings because of their kids, removing the lesson of not trusting strangers, being aware of scams or things too good to be true, etc
Well, some of them were pretty dark and tragic. like the Little Mermaid dying and turning into sea foam.
Glad to know that there are other people who have imaginary friends, I always thought I was just weird.
such a clear logical break down that makes your point very well. I also appreciated your talk on suicide, heart felt and direct. As someone who has fought with those thouhgts I can see you understood so well. Thank you as always
Wait what about when the evil queen looks out the window during the song? You can't possibly tell me that she was jealous that death was talking to Snow White, or was that also her imagination? 🤔
Could be dead pool and thanos both dating death and thanos simp for death so bad he does a snap for her.
Alteori should also make a video about how messed up that character is.
Maybe she was just angry Snow White was dancing around singing when she was supposed to be working, probably hated seeing her step daughter find any happiness in the hell she enforced on her at all.
@@Cazameilia Hmmm, yes this could in fact explain it.
@@Dinoslay yeah she has a pretty messed up back story her father was never saying she was beautiful because her mother died giving birth to her and when she made the prince she was happy until the prince died on the battlefield and she saw it because the magic mirror AKA her father showed her the last moments of the person she loved this causes of going to despair get depressed take out her best friend out of the castle and kill Snow White but of course she didn't kill snow like and Snow White survived her ending is pretty tragic but then she was put into a mirror and she became the magic mirror for Snow White just like her father was for her
"Ooo somebody wanna die today" 😂😂😂 thats a whole ass mood if you work in retail right now i swear
Don't look up the full lyrics to "You Are My Sunshine" if you don't want to be depressed.
Is that a challenge I hear? I accept the challenge!
Also don't read the lyrics for "mr blue sky", its a song about hiding depression and the guy commits suicide
And behold a pale horse, and it’s rider’s name was Death
ONWARD, BINKY
In folklore of germanic and celtic origin a white horse or stag generally signifies otherworld shennanigans, and the old hag has deep roots in the Morrigan and the Norns. Archetype stuff. The pre-Grimm history of the tale is fascinating, especially the idea of the moral expressing the feminine virtues in contrast to what is undesirable. Good video.
Alteori...This is DARK. I LOVE IT!!! And to think you got this from a castle in the clouds, lol.
The Thumbnail of SW drinking is concerning as she is only 13 or something, but this is also Germany, so it evens out.
In the 1937 movie she was 14.
@@rachelsheppard9122 And in the 18th century and prior this was normal. We are lucky to live in the 21st century.
The Grimm tales are never ends with a happily ever after
Yeah I know the two different tales of Snow White. Disney vs the Book version scenario again.
This shit, is REALLY dark! All of my memories of old Disney films are now fucked up!
It makes some degree of sense, it may ultimately be dependant on ones perspective. Honestly though, I love the haunting music added in. I am currently playing Final Fantasy 14 and watching videos to help pass the time, but the music really struck me to the core.
Fantastic job!]:3
So relatable. The religious comparisons and everything. I know I'm not adding much in this comment, but you got a new subscriber
I loved this! Thank you!
I just figured that Snow White and the Prince (I'm just gonna call him either...David) were just friends growing up with the Prince's parents unable to do anything within fear of the Queen.
It's weird because you hear all the commentary about how it's not realistic but the the real life parts are hidden in plain sight
The Brothers Grimm had no chill just like Happy Tree Friends.
When I was a wee young lad, I did kind of think it was strange to have the castle be in the sky, and it did invoke thoughts about heaven in my mind. I think Snow White was brought physically back to life and then was raptured into heaven.
I found you days ago, but loving your content so far
"And This is just a theory, a movie theory"
The First thing i remenber when i opened this vídeo :/
It’s Film Theory not Movie Theory
This channel has quickly be came one of my favorites! So I subscribed :) :) :)
Also I love this theory, though I truly believe the Prince was really there. But He wasn't as kind hearted as the showed him to be, I think he was a cruel Son of King who needed to find a woman to be his Queen so he could get the Crown as King and Rule like Tyrannical King.
On a Side note, there was movie or mini series where Snow White returns to look for here Prince who has gone missing so has the Seven Dwarfs! But She has the Saven Dwarf's wives traveling with her to help her on the journey.
So I might be a personality similar to an INFP. Instead of imaginary friends, I gave personalities to my stuffed animal collection.
Oh yes!!!! All my toys and electronics, and cars and pencils have names and personalities or are different species in my alternate world
The Prince actually did come back for Snow White. When he did, the Queen captured him and locked him in the dungeon. He managed to escape, but by then Snow White was long gone (possibly she was already with the Dwarfs when he got captured) and so that's why he was "looking all over for her." The scenes were created but ultimately cut from the movie because it was felt there was no need to spend any of the run-time on him.
Thank you for that interpretation. It is a fantastic perspective.
Amazing video! I couldn't help but start crying at the part with the kiss.
This series if it becomes a saga it will be a great series,also this is one amazing Alteori video about the tragic life of Snow White.
Also I wish you a good day,and a safe one too
Yaaas bro! I've been excited for your video since you cam had the realization in the video about the ride! ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜🤗
The original German tale was dark but somehow Disney managed to make this tale even darker yet acceptable for kids.
Check this old anime from the 1970s called " Kanashimi no Belladonna"- BELLADONNA OF SADNESS. That movie had a weird and unique anime style and it is weird as fuck, but has deep meaning. It's about Joan of Arc.
On another page there's Neil Gaiman's version of Snowwhite and it fucked up . If I remember correctly it's in Smoke and Mirrors or the Graveyard book one or the other . There's a powerful story about a Werefox there as well if you can get the audiobook for it Gaiman's voice is oddly soothing in tone in his stories 🤔
13:38 "there is nothing sensual with her with these dwarves"
Fable comics: are you sure about that?
The Dark origins of Disney movies.
Anyway, another great video, Alteori, I like it, see you in the next one.
You are right about the psychological/spiritual break down, as children these we were conditioned to accept as things were. I agree with your interpretations am 54 years old back then had seen things for what they were, and not come terms not until my personal experiences, and understanding my mental illnesses in my mature state.
“Childhood ruined?”
Me: *remembers story of land before time actor*
"But hey, that's just a theory, a Film Theory. Aaaaand cut."
LOL
(But seriously, interesting theory. The last scene of the movie was really obvious, imo)
Most fairy tail are really dark when you open you mind only a little bit and most "happy" endings are more gray then black and white. That is why I personally loved the stories of the brother Grimm so much as a child there are so many ways to read them. The stories are from the brothers GRIMM so what is in a name right ?
Great video! I'm reminded a lot of the book "Women Who Run With the Wolves," which explores a lot of, what I call, fairy tale psychology.
In defense of the Evil Queen;
Snow White suffered from some serious mental illness. She spent all her time by herself, talking to animals, and getting trained by 7 creepy old men.
Snow White's stepmother did everything she could to get her daughter married off. If the Evil Queen had really wanted to kill Snow White, then why is the only cure for the poison apple 'true love first kiss'?? You would think that if she really wanted her dead, then she wouldn't have put in a resurrection clause! That proves that the Evil Queen cared. Even more, the Evil Queen sacrificed the last of her youth and beauty to try and get her bipolar step-daughter hooked up with a prince and financial security.
The Evil Queen was a gawddamn hero! If Snow White were left to her own devices, she would have wasted all her opportunities and probably ended up knocked up with 7 little dwarf babies in an opium den.
Holy shit, that background music at the end scared me to the point I had to pause and make sure it was the video making that noise.
Pretty sure that in the og Cinderella the step sisters got off their feet or something
Oh and Ariel turns into sea foam at the end of the og liltle mermaid so yeah
Happy mother's day
The prince fell in love with snow white corpse and wanted to take it back to his castle but on the way one of his man dropped it and. It cursed the apple to unlodge from snow white throat and she can back all because the prince wanted yo do something with her corpse
@@bluegaron6225 sleeping beauty (Italian version) was raped by a passing king and gave birth to twins while asleep, she only woke up when the babies suckled the magical splinter from her finger , the kings wife realizing what the king had done tried to have the babies cooked and fed to the king and sleeping beauty burned at the stake , luckily the chef couldn't find it in his heart to kill them and simple switched them out for lambs instead
@@danielasarmiento3101 true i have read some of the older fairytail in there darker form and when i read those my respects for Disney grow to keep the story close without revealing the true darks stuff it a ball's movie. That why i found that nonconsensual kiss so laughable funny. when the prince was more then likey gonna have sex with snow white corpse
From what I remember the stepmother made her daughters to cut a part of their feet so they can fit in cinderella's lost shoe and yes,there was blood in the shoe. And when the sisters came and went from a wedding pigeons pecked out their eyes.
She is alive in a birthday special for Donald Duck, in which the characters are in “actor” mode than “character” mode. For the longest time, Disney characters were (and maybe still are) implied to be Animated Actors, from the Disney comics, to Mickey’s Christmas Carol, to House of Mouse.
Boy, this one is right up there with the theory that the dwarves are the seven stages of drug addiction.
But aside from that, I've been thinking on what the moral of the story is. Most of these fairy tales were intended to teach morals or life lessons, especially the Victorian retellings of the Grimm tales. But thinking on the story of Snow White again, I can't help but feel the moral of the story isn't for little kids (not directly anyway), but rather for the mothers. Think about it, most fairy tales teach that if you do something bad, bad things will happen to you, so don't do those bad things. Snow White is a complete innocent, one that's saved at the end of the story. But the Queen, she's not innocent. She's jealous of a younger woman, and does some horrid things to keep ahold of her title as the most beautiful woman in the land. She goes so far she turns herself into a hideous hag just to kill the younger woman, and in the end she's killed for it. The lesson of Snow White is that beauty always fades, and shouldn't let jealousy consume you.
I think that’s one of the messages of the Movie. The transformation of the Queen to a hag, literally showed us the true ugliness of the Queen’s heart/soul. This is a complete foil to the heart/soul of Snow White. Ever noticed how as the Queen was about to crush the drawfs to death? Ironically, she is struck off the cliff by lightning and crushed by that very same boulder. As if some sort of divinity was watching and punished her on the spot. This was instant karma. In the end, Snow won and the Queen lost.
When I saw this in the theater at age 5, I saw myself as the prince and had a kind of crush on Snow White. There was a girl in 1st grade that looked like her and there was always a kind of enchantment about her. Maybe it was the voice. I loved her singing.
Brothers Grimm: Let's write a story about a princess and dwarves.
Walt Disney: I think I'll reinterpret it for a family audience.
Alteori: (Metal Guitar Riff) Laughs... amateurs.
Mind is blown. You need to do more videos like this! 👍
Christ, that was darker than I thought it was going to be.. great vid though. Now, where's the strong coffee .
Wow never saw this point of view on snow white 😳
Think you could do a theory vid on what could happen in the season 2 of Primal: tales of savagery ?
This description blew my mind
In the thumbnail, that is definitely NOT the Snow White we know and love from our childhood.
Wow never looked at Snow White that way this has really opened my eyes 😳 time to watch all the old Disney’s films
Alteori hitting us with that "Traversing" by Godmode in the beginning of the video.
From a spiritual point of view, the seven dwarves could have been either angels, or spirits watching over her.
I felt this whole video.
i know disney was dark....but daaaamn alteori went even further xD
The manifestation of death allegory reminded me of this Twilight Zone episode called "Nothing in the dark" with Robert Redford. Where this old woman who fears death helps out this attractive young guy out, and he turns out to be Death himself. Studies so show that we are likely to trust someone who is more physically attractive, so I think all that is pretty interesting.
Not sure where I heard it (possibly Harrison's 'Hollows chronicles') but some say that the original Grimm fairy tales didn't end with 'They lived happily ever after' but 'They lunged happily in the ever after'. Suggesting that invariably stuff like this happened..
Yes, they thought up REALLY horrible stuff back then. We would rather to believe old people and old times were somehow innocent and only now are we dealing with terrible things. Not true! Simply ask yourself: Would you go to the local arena to watch people get fed to lions? Well... that's what people used to do. I'm pretty sure their standards were WAY worse than today. Most old stuff is likely creepier than whatever you're watching today.
This makes too much sense. I also had imaginary friends growing. It took a while, but as an adult I have learned to keep it all in my head. For which I'm glad because now there's no limit to the adventures I go on. I don't even have to be present anymore.
Also thank you for being respectful about religion.
I love the way you broke this down because I have never taken a close look at this because I'm a guy in I wasn't into Snow White but now that you took it bit by bit wow I got to keep my youngins away from this! 🤣🤣🤣