Best Table Saws for the Money! (Table Saw Buyer's Guide)
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- Best Table Saws for the Money! (Table Saw Buyer's Guide)
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Didn't expect to be so into woodworking these days, didnt expect to see someone use that animal filter to make a youtube tool review channel. But, it's good information so i'll bear with it.
Agreed. This year has simply been barbearic. I just can't seem to find my bearings.
same haah!
Well considering all things considered...
This it's unbearable
Bear in mind it was a good informative vid
I have used a SawStop at work for years and last year I ran a finger into the blade. Still not sure exactly how I did that, but I was in a hurry. Never rush with a table saw. It did hurt, but the cut was minimal when you think about being hit by a 1/8" wide carbide tooth. I was happy to have the safety feature on that day.
Great saw, to bad its not available to those of us living in Europe
@@danthechippie4439 -- Do they give you a reason that it's not available in Europe?
@@g.v.harvey7425 I think it's for two reasons but I can't be sure
1 the arbour can accommodate a dado stack and I think in a commercial workshop they are illegal but not in a private workshop
2. I think it's a power issue in that European power is not powerful enough to run the saw but again they are only educated guess
@@danthechippie4439 Europe uses 220 volts. Everyone in the US who uses any power tool with anything over 1 1/2hp runs their tools on 220 volts that is available in every house and business. The only difference between US and European 220 volts is US is 60 hertz and Europe is 50 hertz so there is no issue with power. I suspect that SawStop hasn't gotten into Europe yet is that they are not ready to deal with the distribution and parts/warranty aspect of it. As far as the Dado issue, if and when SawStop decides to sell in Europe, all they will have to do is make a European spec saw with a shorter arbor so you cannot bolt on a Dado head.
One of the most comprehensive and educational information about must haves for table saws and accessories. Nice job!
I have the jobsite Skil Saw as it was the only one available for pickup close by when I desperately needed one at the beginning of the pandemic. I love that thing, the worm drive makes cutting large stock a breeze. I've built a heavy cabinet around it with fold-up back and side tables and now can safely rip full size sheets. I even use it to cut 2x4's into 1x4's in one step to get cheap boards 😉
When I first got into woodworking I found a decent Delta/Rockwell 34-338 on CL for $75. I spent plenty of time disassembling, cleaning the machine, and updating wear parts (rebuilt arbor assembly with new bearings, wave washer, bushings etc.). I spent alot of time learning how the machine works and aligning and "tuning" it while going through this process. A PALS system makes fine tuning a contractor saw much easier. I bought and mounted the 30" delta t3 fence, a link belt for the original 1.5 motor, relocated the power switch, and retained the factory splitter/knife. These updates and upgrades along with a good freud blade make for a wonderfully accurate and stable saw. Does it compare with a uni saw or other full size cabinet saws? Of course not, but the knowledge and understanding gained through the process is invaluable to me. I know much more about a future purchase now. Financially, it's not too bad even with the upgrades and blade. So, IMO quality contractor saw ate great options. Just be prepared to put money into upgrades and time into refurb.
Great Video Bear, always enjoy them. I am 64 years old and have been a remodeling contractor for over 40 years. I have had 10 table saws through my life time and still have 9 of them. I bought a Contractor SawStop saw along with building a Ron Paulk bench for my shop a couple of years ago. I know it was a lot of money but the older I get the more I keep thinking I might make a stupid mistake. I am glad I didn't buy the Bosch Saw back then because it soon got discontinued. I really do like the SawStop and would buy one again.
Good video. I love my cabinet saw. I got an extended bed with a mobile base, and it is so easy to push out of the way or reposition it if I need to cut something big. Makes it usable in my small 2 car garage shop. So glad I got it. I was going to get a smaller saw and upgrade after I moved and built a shop, but the mobile base convinced me not to buy a saw I was just going to replace. The digital angle gauge you showed is great. I also just found out they make a digital fence readout that is long enough for the extended table. That is my next upgrade for sure.
I just picked up the 10inch Kobalt table saw with rolling/collapsible stand for $229. It's a solid saw for DIY/home owner use. I love the extendable table top and how compact it collapses to. Perfect for my small garage.
I got one for the same price a week ago and I'm loving it so far! 😉
Just save your receipt. Had two that fell apart.
Serendipitous timing on this video. I had just finished the epoxy flooring in my shop, the final step of the "build from scratch" process, before the finish carpentry, and it was time to start looking for a table saw. I got the Delta 10in on your assertion. I'm in love. Thank you for the A+ advice.
Serendipitous or your phone heard you talking about table saws or you googled them?
@Ian9toes No, I'm subscribed to the Den, and watch almost every upload. I saw this video the day it was uploaded. It went live with serendipitous timing.
I just bought the Delta 725 T2 and after i started seeing they where having motor problems. After your video i feel maybe a little better about them fixing the problem. i have attached my Kobalt router table/router to it and absolutely love it saves so much space and use the saw fence with it awesome.
I would love to get a new table saw in spring. I had the cheap little Skil table saw and was actually impressed with it after I put on a nice combo blade it cut wonderfully. But it just was to small for plywood sheets so I sold it.
I have the Skilsaw worm drive portable saw with stand. The stand is great and it’s easy to move, fold, and unfold. The motor is good and no shortage of power for a small saw.
i have owned 3 Unisaws, a powermatic 66 and just purchased a PCS Saw Stop, the SS is on par with the Unisaw and PW, i loved all of them, but the SS does have some nice features other than the safety features. they are extremely easy to make adjustments to the table and the fence...all great saws and i am a huge Delta fan, i have many of their machines and am happy with all of them.
I have a 1953 Delta Homecraft 8” tablesaw. Runs like a champ and is great for my tiny garage shop. I run 8” blades and a 6” dado stack on it. I built a biesemeyer style fence for it to replace the original solid but finicky fence
I have the T1 version of the Delta hybrid and it's bad ass. Best saw I have used in the price range!
This was a great video! I would love to see a series of these about different tools.
I got lucky summer before last and found an old miter gauge like you were showing at a yard sale for $1. I've used it many times and I love it.
I've been woodworking for the better part of 50 years and have been lucky in having two accidents on my table saws. When I had my second accident earlier this year which required 15 stitches over 3 fingers my better half said that I needed to get something safer than my early 50's Delta Homecraft saw that was nearly as old as I am or she would sell ALL my tools. I felt that a bit drastic but I respected her concern for me to keep all ten of my fingers and I purchased a SawStop 3HP PCS saw. It was the best move I ever made. The saw is a very well made piece of equipment. They are called accidents not on-purposes for a reason. Another thing is CRC 3-36 is a great rust inhibitor followed up with Johnson's paste wax.
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The best explanation of useful information that I didn't know I didn't know! Thank You!
Good video. I inherited a vintage near-perfect 1968/69 Craftsman 113 series from my dad, added 2 extra 12" extensions (with the original 10") and a 15" router table (all cast iron), as well as upgraded the fence to a Delta T3. It weighs a ton, but that is good IMHO, as I do not need to move it often. It does not move when used and vibrations are minimal. It can do 36" rip cuts on the right side & ~30" on the left and handles large sleds with no issue. I'd like to upgrade the motor to a 3 horse (220V) down the road. My upgrade investment was just under $400 total, it does not have any plastic on it and built in USA.
I have a Gripper and its great. They make a cheaper push block that is pretty good, too. I also have a mag angle finder and like it a lot better than my dial version from Harbor Freight. I have the Hitachi branded Metabo saw and it is fantastic for my garage shop space.
11:30 I have that same table saw in the 52" version and I love it totally worth it %110 I bought mine from home depot it works pretty good but the dust collection is a little crappy but the fence and every thing else is awesome.
Thanks for the video Red. I have a 3hp Sawstop and an old Craftsman hybrid (zip code) I shimmed them up and bolted them side by side about 5 years ago. Makes for a great station but you must have the room for it. I keep the dado stack in the hybrid and a combination blade in the Sawstop. I went Sawstop when I got my first grandson!
Wow, that is quite the setup.
Even with this video being 3 years old, it is one of the best overviews and introduction to saw types and saw accessories for the homeowner and DIYer. Well worth watching.
I have my grandfather's Craftsman table saw. It was made in 1951, has a heavy cast iron top and wings, belt driven and still runs very smooth. Sometime in the near future I plan on tearing it down and giving it a good clean up & lube job. I also bought a new Shop Fox fence for it.
Thanks Da Bear, very nice video!
To those reading this post...if you don’t have a Grrripper, then you should get one or even two. You can order a less technical version for under $30.00.
Ridgid makes an adjustable support stand for around $33.00. It’s not a roller Tempe, it has a tilting head that’s adjustable. I like mine. In fact I like it so much I might get a 2nd one for side support usage, e.g. running a 4x8 sheet across the saw.
Thanks for the vid and for the overview, wanting to get a saw and this vid has a ton of information!
Thanks for a helpful and though treatment. This is a GREAT VIDEO to send to friends or newbies just getting started.
Great video! Thanks for sharing & spreading the knowledge.
I’ve been a part time woodworker for years depending on need. But the bug has hit and your video is timely as I am looking to upgrade my Ryobi folding leg table saw. Nothing particularly wrong with it but there’s no slots in the bed. My impression is it’s contractor style and not well adapted for finer woodworking. Thanks for the info! See you over on FB.
I had that new Delta 36-725T2 and you are right, it died super quick. Two of them in fact, as they bother were one of the very first ones. Delta customer service was on the spot with the second one and helped troubleshoot the problem. They drop shipped me a fixed version and paid to have the old one sent back for their R&D. Sold me on Delta.
I have had a Bosch 4100 saw for the last 6 months and love it! It folds for storage and has wheels to transport! Makes very accurate cuts as well!
I'm glad the delta had it worked out on the t2 I bought one early enough that they recommended just returning it. Absolutely loved the construction of that saw
got that delta fence system to replace my tube based system. best thing ever!
Thank You for your time to educate people like me. You are a good human being doing that. Bless You brother. Bravo .
I’ve found the ball bearing style roller stands work the best. They are not as picky about alignment in the direction of movement of the board. The long roller if not align correctly will actually pull the board off your line.
Learned something new today. I always thought my grandfather's Unisaw cabinet saw was named due to it being a good saw used for building cabinets, not that the saw mechanism was mounted to the base cabinet. Great info!
thank you. I have been looking at and reading reviews on table saws. Right now I cannot get a cabinet saw, mostly because I rent and only have 110. I think this is going to be fine for me right now since I am just starting out.
Great job Brother Bear for a fair and thorough review and recommendations on woodworking saws. I have owned a Grizzly G1023 RL cabinet saw you featured for the past 4 years and very satisfied with its overall performance after the usual adjustments and tweaks. One aspect of any large format saws that are meant for enclosed spaces is "DUST COLLECTION" besides all the other forms and functions, the dust collection just does not "SUCK" as intended (NO PUN INTENDED HERE). I would love to know your thoughts on this aspect that separates the "CUBS" from the "PAPA BEARS"
For a big saw that sees a lot of use you should look into a two stage system. Either buy or DIY but you will need a 1 micron filter on it.
Completely agree. Love my Delta.
Wow, what a wealth of information. I just used an old Montgomery Wards table saw to do wood flooring and wood stairs. Oh how I wish had spend the money before starting the job and got a good accurate table saw. I had to manual make the fence parallel every time!!! I'm a casual home DIY'er, so I think I'm gonna go with the Skil TS6307-00 I love the fold out legs, rack and pinion fence and PRICE! Thank you so much for posting this video.
I shipped a Dewalt DW743 from the UK to Canada which was a tool originally made by Elu prior to being taken over by Dewalt. It is 18 years old and works great when I need a site tool. Shop saw i use is the Delta hybrid saw which would suit most home woodworkers.
I love my Bosch jobsite table saw it’s fantastic zero issues runs flawlessly no vibration and perfect for ripping doors and doing commercial flooring to just ripping 3x12 white oak dried for trailer floors
Thank you for your insight, I learned a lot. 👍
I actually have owned the "Finger Slicer 2000" from Harbor Freight for more than a decade and have done a plethora of projects, including a set of cabinets and shaker style doors, as well as shelves and wall hanging units. I can only imagine how much easier this would be with an actual table saw. I can certainly afford to upgrade (sadly not enough room for a cabinet saw) at this point and this video was incredibly informative. Thank you!!
The accessories recommendations were great, too. I'm not sure the difference between the 2 magnetic tools (calibrator vs angle), but I'll be investigating those. And likely picking up a roller stand.
I would be curious about drill presses, as I have the Harbor Freight version of that, as well.
INCREDIBLE CONTENT TONIGHT! I realize it takes way more time to create than it does to watch it. This is extremely pertinent to me. I am debating spending boat loads of money on a cabinet table saw and electrician in a suburban house not worth that. But also an owner of a late-90s Ryobi table saw; that my over decade experience tells me that it doesn't work for all the use cases I have. I am switching to Track Saws for cutting down sheet goods but want a very accurate table saw for the rest. You have constantly called out the insanity of this market segment and the real need. You rock! Track saws for the big sheet goods and table saws for all the other versatility.
I just upgraded from a shite old craftsman "job site" saw to the Delta 36-725t2 that Red recommends at 11:19 (on his recommendation) and it is phenomenal. I recommend looking at it seriously.
I bought a Delta 5152T table saw - it is awesome!
I bought probably one of the last Rockwell Unisaws back in 1984 with the sliding table and long guide bars that allow 50" rips with the Jet Lock rip fence. I now use the Unifence which is far superior to any fence I've ever seen or used. For site work I use an old Makita 2711 table saw. (For ripping only) It has a 24" rip capacity and a very accurate fence. Cross cuts are with a sliding compound miter saw or circular saw. I've been a woodworker since 1977 and thankfully, still have all my digits.
Excellent video and guide. Very comprehensive and informative
The Delta Unifence was awesome... So glad I have one on my Delta cabinet saw.. sadly, not made any more.
Great video, thank you, please do another vid for miter saws
Nice video. Covered the topic well.
Very well explained. Thanks for the educated presentation.
Also grabbed the metabo saw , got it $329 but seen it went down to $299 on black friday and the following weekend so I brought my receipt into Lowes and they gave me back the $30 difference in cash !! Also its a great saw, the fence is a dream compared to my old Makita table saw that was probably 20 years old! The blade is a 10 inch Metabo and gotta say is actually a quality blade !!
I have al table top. I use blaster dry lube with ptfe. Works great.
Dado Blade - I have the Rigid jobsite saw (which I really like) and the manual recommendation is to use a 6" blade stack, so I got the Freud 6" stack. I have a VERY small shop, so I also have a rolling cart that my saw sits in (no scissor legs) with surface left and behind the blade to support any work piece that can fold down for storage. Everything is stable and works great.
I also (when I had a much larger shop) upgraded to an Incra miter gauge and kept it when I sold everything else (just in case...). The Ridgid saw has a standard miter slot so the Incra slides right in and has greatly improved my accuracy.
You need to check out the Harvey Alpha line. Love mine and the cross cut fence is amazing. For me, it was between the Powermatic PCS and the Harvey. Went with the Harvey Alpha. It has been a dream to use.
Great intel! Thanks for the vid
Thanks for a very in depth and helpful video. Just the right approach and comparisons, avoiding the “apples and oranges” approach of other channels.
I was stuck on dewalt now I can expand my search, thanks for this video.
I learned about riving knives. Thank you!
Love my Powermatic PM66, built like a tank. 3 HP, rips 8/4 hard maple like butter , no burning.
Should think about a good track saw and table set up in place of a job site saw - cuts sheet goods much better & safer. I have the Makita and made a table ( Festool style MFT ) for a fraction of the cost. Woodpekers makes a great jig to do all the holes. Also use the table in place of a chop saw.
This is a great video! Interesting and useful information on table-saw related gadgets too!
Excellent video brother. Thanks!
Great video. Thank You!
What an awesome video! Thank you so much!
You mentioned about looking on craigslist for an old saws. I looked in to them found the was parts that were not available. So I passed on them. Thanks for the videos and i learned alot from them.
I bought an older craftsman cast iron top contactor saw. It's a hybrid I suppose. I added a aftermarket fence and love it.
I am super happy with our 3 HP saw stop. Leave all the safety features intact. Great piece of mind. Especially when you have multiple employees using it. But agreed not the end all be all for everyone.
Bought the HF FingerSlicer 2k, returned it after one use for a compact Ryobi. Not great but it does OK with light duty woodworking.
I have the Ridgid R4518 and love it with the exception of trying to find an OEM Zero Clearance Throatplate.
I had a Rigid and had to sell because of an interstate move. I'm with you. I loved it. Check Etsy for the throat plate. I have a Delta now (and regret it) but I have purchased throat plates there and they work great.
Great saw. Love mine.
You can make your own zero clearance plates. Pretty easily too. Many videos
Red, your videos are always good but you made a quantum leap with this one, so comprehensive (defining, describing, instructing, options). Great research, analysis, and presentation. You are one awesome bear 🐻!
Thanks. Gonna pick up the Ridgid tomorrow
Powermatic 66 here. Bought in 96 for $2100, still going strong and no regrets. It really is a lifelong investment.
B E A R !!!!!!! Awesome video 👏👏👏!!! I’ve been looking for something (someone) to give me an honest answer to my “Table Saw” questions. Thanks so much for the straightforward information ! And kudos on the presentation(s) 👏👏👏! ! Great (in-biased) idea and it works VERY WELL !! I look forward to seeing more from you 👍! ! !
Fantastic video. I bought a Delta 36-725t2 table saw after learning more about it on your channel and I LOVE IT. I've heard "Glidecote" (Glidecoat?) is the gold standard for table saw top lube, but haven't tried it yet. It's $$. I started w/ Ridgid jobsite saw w/ scissor stand (264.00) and though I loved the soft start and brake features, the table was warped and fance sucked. Returned it in favor of the Delta.
Because of your recommendation on the Delta saw I bought it and love it. Thank you tool bear.
Been using that Grizzly since 2015. Just about the time there was talk about mandating the sawstop. I bought the Grizzly to avoid a mandate. It’s been terrific. You’re absolutely correct
For just ripping pine I have the cheap ryobi portable saw that I paid $100 for a few years ago. It struggles to cut thick green treat but for ripping 1x and 2x pine it works great and is light. It is so light it can be tough to rip wood if the saw isn't screwed down to something.
Love these types of videos 👍
Thanks for all the info and advice. I guess living in the forest amongst the trees and specd with razor sharp 42T makes for a beary skilled woodworker. Subscribed!
This is an awesome video. When I bought the Craftsman hybrid shown in the video back in 2009 I did countless hours of research to come up with the same conclusions. The bear has condensed that all into about 40 minutes.
Biesemeyer, from my understanding, was bought out by Delta. I've tried to buy a Biesemeyer fence with no luck. NO ONE carries them any longer. I ended up buying a Saw stop 52" fence assembly instead. I'm very happy that I did.
Highly recommend a track for a guide for ripping long sheets. Game changer. Easier to move a small saw vs a 50# sheet of plywood
Having a track saw has definitely changed the way I cut plywood. Now i make cuts that look like the factory edge and takes less time!
My table saw was set up to cut sheet goods but it takes up a lot of space I no longer have. I now use a circular saw freehand and touch it up with a hand plane if needed.
I love my Kobalt. The stand design is excellent.
I have the Ridgid 10" table saw with the granite top. It's the best machine I've used for the money. Especially in cold areas. Never have to worry about cast iron tops
I always use an outfeed roller stand when ripping full sheets of ply.
Just got that metabo job site saw a couple of months ago and I have to say the thing is freaking awesome rack and pinion fence system on it is amazing just as good as DeWalt and it rips through pretty much all wood I throw at it like butter
This is the kind of video I like to see you make
The Craftsman I bought in 1969 is still making sawdust in my son's garage. The link belt runs "smoother" because it decouples the frequency modes that make a stiff normal V belt whip up and down between the pulleys. I rigged a pulley type of belt tensioner on that Craftsman to take out that bouncing.
Terrific video. So informative.
I've used a lot of saws. I prefer the cabinet sawstop. The blade stopper is just a bonus to me. Owned it for a few years now and still love almost everything about it. Only complaint is the riving knife doesnt line up properly with the blade. Little bit of painters tape as a shim fixes it tho.
Like you Bear, I also have the 1st gen of the Lowe's Delta saw, the 2 issues I found with it are: 1) the factory dust collector does not work, I ended up pulling mine off the factory wheel base and building my own enclosed base with a pan connected to the dust collection hose. 2) the stock fence, well first off the tape measure on it is accurate at 2" from the blade and out almost 1/4" at 15" from the blade lol, I fixed this with a Kreg stick on tape measure over the top of the stock one. Outside of that, yes, it's a great saw for the money. Plan on selling mine soon and upgrading to a full cabinet like the unisaw or possibly the grizzly, haven't made up my mind yet.
I thought I knew about saws, but that combo table/miter saw was a new one! Don't think I would want that in my shop!
The Skilsaw worm drive jobsite table saw is the absolute best multipurpose saw I have ever used in my 20years. After 2 years every day in the field it does not disappoint
I absolutely love my SawStop 3HP Professional Cabinet Saw!
Yep......Same
I’ve had my Grizzly 1023 for ten years and love it.
One thing that makes true cabinet saws great is that adjusting the blade parallelism is a piece of cake compared to any saw that mounts the trunions to the table top.
I’ve had my Grizzly G1023Z more then 20 years, with the Shop-Fox super fence its a fantastic saw.
I paid big bucks years ago (25 at least) for a super Craftsman Heavy Duty model -everything about it was amazing except…..wait for it- the trunions were off and I hammered on them and they wouldn’t/couldn’t move at all. I drove it back to the store after making many long calls and demonstrated what the problem was. Craftsman wouldn’t replace it or let me return it. Yeah my brothers I’m serious …and this was back when they’d replace any broken tool but not my saw. They thought it worked fine and my expectations for its straight cutting was unrealistic! Ahahahahahahamuhahaha! Last time I bought anything from Craftsman.
I have one. Paid $700 new. That's how old it is. Did put a better motor in it but still on the same bearings.
To bad the price on them now has doubled
@@firefighter9901 - I had no idea. I sold the saw this past summer because I was moving. I set what, I thought, was a fair market price. It sold quickly. It wasn’t until I got the new Grizzly catalog that I realized what a bargain the purchaser got. I’m happy with it because the buyer seemed to be a nice young guy starting out and I got the feeling that he would get lot of good use out of the saw.
I love my Incra TS3 repeatable fence system for my table saw.
Where did you order yours from?
Probably direct from Incra.....bought it almost 20 years ago.
I love my gripper push blocks. Highly recommend.
DIY, my Wife just bought my Son in Law and me each a Grrripper! WOW! After using it I’m wondering how I ever got by without out it. Now I need a 2nd one.
To others viewing this post:
Get one, if you don’t have one. They make a less technical model for under $30. You can order it on Amazon, it’ll be well worth it!!
thank you
Thanks good video