I've a much longer commute for a week of almost 200 miles, so I thought I'd see if it's reasonable to do it in the LEAF and compare the cost vs an ICE car.
The 45 minutes (charge stops) could be spent doing things you would do at other points of the day - reading for pleasure, answering emails, tea-break, using wi-fi hotspots to watch TH-cam videos etc. It does not have to be "lost" time. Just has to be re-arranged, freeing up that same 45 minutes for later in the day. Just a thought. Cheers.
Constant moaners who can't start think differently. You guys are pulling us and the whole human race backward. Forget the active ten minutes at petrol stations and welcome the half an hour do whatever the heck you want. Dare to think differently
Hi, I was due to change my bmw 5 series and was thinking about an electric but the usual concerns were putting me off. Pretty much decided on a Toyota hybrid when I stumbled across your videos. Totally allayed my fears about going electric and last week I bought a 2014 leaf tekna from Chorley Nissan. Absolutely delighted with the car, suits my needs perfectly. Happy to put you down as an ambassador, you are the reason I took the plunge!
I was also considering a hybrid. I was all set on one...…………...but something was wrong...……...not sure why, but I had some kind of weird feeling I was making wrong decision. I ended up ducking out of a deal that the dealer thought he made. then I ended up looking at electric cars and suddenly ended up doing a deal at Nissan. I didn't get that same bad feeling and hope that it pays off. waiting to hear to pick it up.
Datruth Commission no😭. Its so depressing. Ive been let down for almost a month now. Reason being is that it was an ex courtesy car and needed a little work in the bodyshop done on passenger side door. Light scratches. I didnt mind it done, but its been at a bodyshop they chose. They dont tell me where and they said it would be done last wednesday. Then i phoned and they said he needs more time. They never give me a set date and it keeps getting delayed. Tbh, im kind of getting annoyed about it all and they know im not impressed with the delays. Ive given up asking and they try being nice msging, but i dont respond anymore, coz im sick of excuses. Im waiting for them to say its ready and i cant wait to express just how crazy this whole waiting has been. Any dealer or bodyshop has always gave me a rough date. This is just stupid. 😤
Isn't it high time that the charging network owners considered their customers comfort and put a roof over their chargers, like most petrol stations have.
It's economics. EVs are sadly still a small percentage of all cars and they don't want to spend money on such small numbers. Also, if EVs fail to penetrate the market and are rejected by the public, they don't want to be stuck with expensive infrastructure. If EVs become mainstream then the chargers will have shelter just like the gas pumps now do.
tanzanable surely the addition of a canopy would not only increase comfort for users but provide additional weather protection for the pumps, plus an ice driver thinking of going EV seeing some unfortunate EV driver battling against a blizzard or horizontal rain just to charge is likely going to see that as an excuse not to change.
Not a problem. What might be worth doing is if you get loads of these; just do a count and letting them know. You never know :P. I might be getting another leaf (second hand) from Nissan in the next month or so for my wife, if I do, I will dm you :D.
I spend the 45 mins recharge , recharging myself with a bite to eat , coffee trip to 🚽 General chill before back to the rat race...... keep up the vids fella
For 9 months I used a 30kWh leaf to do a 200 mile round trip on three consecutive days a week. Each way was approximately 30 miles of A and B roads and 70 of motorway, the economy was helped by a 50mph zone on the M5. The result was very temperature dependant. on a warm summers day I could do the entire journey on 77% charge, below 5'C temperature I had to stop at the only rapid charger. I used to drive at 60 - 65mph (as fast as lorries) using cruise control. If the journey was 100 miles on the motorway alone, I wouldn't say it was sensibly doable without annoying lorries. As straightforward as it was, I'm looking forward to a 40 or 60 kWh Leaf.
I subscribed to your channel a few weeks ago and your excellent videos convinced wifey and me to upgrade from our 3-year-old Yaris to a Leaf. After a test drive at West Way Nissan in Coventry last week we placed an order for the Leaf Tekna and we're collecting it tomorrow.
Good video... An observation on your savings though, I've done ~24k miles in a VW e-golf in the last two years and the only servicing costs have been wiper fluid and two front tires. In my wife's car, which has done similar mileage, we've probably spent two grand on general maintenance stuff.... We got our e-golf lease (deposit free as well) for less than the price of petrol every month in what was my main car, but I hadn't factored in as well the savings on everything else: brakes, oil, servicing etc, so its actually turned out to be a much better deal than I'd hoped.
It's a '98 Ford Expedition. Brakes (we live at the top of a mountain), new MFA sensor, and the regular oil, filters, new battery, tires etc. $1000 per year for a car of that age? Seems totally reasonable to me. I do most of my own maintenance, and I'm not commenting on my wife's driving ;)
Great video :) I've got a 24kw Leaf on the Motability scheme (as I'm disabled). I've traveled nearly 35,000 miles in 28 months, mainly drama free miles (apart from the Ecotricity app!). I wouldn't want to go back to regularly using an ICE vehicle. My only worry is currently there are no EV's on offer on the Motability scheme :( I hope that changes before January 2018 when I have to put my application in :)
A couple of months ago, my next door neighbour had a bunch of solar panels fitted to his roof. Just today I noticed a Hyundai Ioniq plugged in to the side of his house. I've got neighbour envy right now. Guess I'll have to keep buying lottery tickets.
Don Little yeah you never know, inheritance, he could be in some sort of debt, or maybe he got a rebate, you never know unless he tells ya. About half my block drive cars that are 5 to $10,000 and the other half drive $10,000 up till about maybe $40,000, no highrollers around here. Only 1 hybrid which is weird considering there is a lot of hippies. No solar at all, even the rich.Winnipeg is pretty blue collar.
I have a leaf and agree with what you are saying to a point. I have a Leaf with a 30 kw battery. I find that if I drive at 50 mph on the motorway , it has a range of around 150 miles. If I drive at 70 mph, it's range reduces to 70-80 miles. Both these are for summer temperatures of around 20 C, if the air temperature is below zero, the range is reduced. More importantly, I find that a rapid battery recharge increases the battery temperature by two divisions. That means that after two rapid charges, the battery temperature reaches it's maximum permitted level. I find that when driving the battery temperature remains unchanged. The consequence is that if your journey requires three (or more) rapid recharges, then the car has to be left to allow the battery temperature to cool by two divisions. I do not know how long that takes but do know that in my car leaving the battery 75 minutes to cool only reduced it's temperature by one division. I thought that I had a fault with my car but found that was untrue. A Nissan Main Agent provided me with another 30kw Leaf to test whether it had the same characteristics as my car with regard to battery temperature. The result of the test was that the two cars behaved in a similar manner. In conclusion, if your journey takes a maximum of two recharges, this is a superb car in every respect but for longer journeys , the driver is either required to wait long times for the battery to cool or has to drive slowly on the motorways which I found to be a frightening experience. It is possible to reduce the cost of your journey to zero by changing your home gas/electricity supplier to Ecotricity. That gives the driver 52 free rapid charges in a year.
To change to Ecotricity it would cost me £400 per month year more! So it's way more expensive to switch just to save £3. I've done 280 miles on a single run, can go longer if you drive slower. Doing 240miles tomorrow. The Leaf doesn't have active cooling so has to cool down.
Hi Changing to Ecotricity did not significantly change my gas + electricity bills, I suppose that depends on your particular circumstances. The cost of a rapid charge by Ecotricity is £6 not the £3 you quoted unless it has changed in the last 6 months. I have driven 9723 miles in my car since October 2016 and to date my total electricity charges for that mileage is £33.29. It is an incredibly cheap car to run.
Hi I have looked on the Ecotricity webpage and you are correct that they have changed their pricing. Now it is £3 connection charge plus 17p per kw. So if to put in 25 KW, the total cost is £7.25.
Just started watching and it's great that you put the ambassador program at the start mate, pretty much certain that I will be getting the second gen model so you'll definitely get my reference. On a side note you might want to consider adding or editing your petrol/diesel comparison with higher mileages (that us taxi drivers will encounter years before average owners or potential owners of higher mileage leafs) with the extra costs of replacing the timing belt 60-100k plus water and fuel pumps, exhausts (or parts of) injectors dpf filters etc. Just a thought mate.
It's the rain that makes this land green. We'd feel lost without it’s comforting sounds. ;-p // EV ranges are improving, so that a few years from now we'll be looking at these videos and wondering what all of the range anxiety fuss was about. BTW, seen plenty of stinker drivers over the decades who were having range anxiety, plus wallet anxiety. Thanks for the review, ELM.
Hopefully you'll be doing a "you're thoughts" video on the new leaf in the coming days. I got up in the night to watch the live stream. Was very impressed with the whole package!
I love commuting in my leaf but it is a shorter commute at US interstate speeds of 70-80 mph. The only issue I have as an American is I live in a big country everything is so spread out so I still have to have an ICE (ford focus hatch) but once the network gets expanded here and affordable longer range EV's are on the market I hope to be all EV. I do have one advantage though the US leaf plant is roughly in the middle of my commute and all the local nissan dealerships have free lvl 3 charging so I find myself charging on the way home just because it's free. By the way, love the channel (thought about doing an US version, because it is a bit different over here, lol). The network is crap in most states and to visit family it is a 300 mile 5hr trip one way so there are challenges that are very apparent across the pond.
I agree with you Jason. The distances are much greater here and public charging stations disappear once you get out of the city. No way to drive on the open road in my Leaf.
For anyone buying a cheap Gen 1 Leaf now in the UK: check the battery capacity in kWh, then calculate what range you need for your commute. In my case, my battery capacity is now 18 kWh when charged to 100%. I do mixed highway (70mph) and town driving on my commute, which includes a couple of steep hill climbs, giving me an average of 3.5 miles per kWh. However, I don't want to use the last 2 kWh of the battery capacity, so in effect I have 3.5 x 16 kWh = 56 mile range @ 100% charge. I ignore the car's range estimate; it gives me "85 miles" when I charge to 100%, which is obviously impossible. If I drove at below 40mph and tried not to accelerate too much, lived in an area with fewer steep hills (!), avoid very wet weather, and didn't use AC or heating, I could get 4.5 miles per kWh. If I charge to 80%, the range drops down to about 45 miles in real range. For reference, by battery State of Health (SOH) reports as 82% and 11/12 health bars are lit on the car's battery display. The % SOH has actually gone UP since I bought the car, so take that number with a pinch of salt. Occasional charges to 100% seem to balance the battery cells and causes the battery management system to say that the battery health is improving. Most of the time, I charge to 80%. I also never run the battery down below 20%.
I've done a similar one but not often, I have the luxury of working at home. Manchester to Rotherham, 75 miles. No stops. Rotherham back to Woolley Edge M1 North bound Ecotricity pump is about 25 miles, leaving about 22 miles left in the car, which is a reasonable margin. (I have a new 30kw Accenta). Plug in and charge. For the time it took me to go to the loo, get a coffee, drink it, answer a few emails etc, it's around 20 minutes, by which time the car now has 85/90 miles range. and I need 50 to get home - a bit less actually, as the return to Manchester is a nice downhill once past Bradford, and power usage is much reduced. The last two times at Woolley Edge, the pump has only charged me for the £3 connection and not the 17p per kW (Don't tell anyone or they will fix it!) So cost is about £5, or about £8 if Ecotricity mend the pump, or 3.33 p per mile or 5.33 per mile. Way worth a 20 minute stop I'd do anyway.
Hey, I'm in SW Florida. We do have 'sun' but, believe it or not, we also have rain and, during our 6-month-long 'rainy season' which just happens to be in the Summer, we have rain just about every single day.
Can someone tell me..... I bought my first Leaf yesterday - a 2015 S and trickle charged it last night. It shows 100 percent and 96 miles. I read it may be better to charge to 80 percent rather than 100. How would you do that? Can you turn on the car WHILE IT IS CHARGING and look at the display? I thought I read in the manual that the car had to be off while charging. It would be nice to have a display that shows you details while it is charging. Is it really better to only charge to 80 percent ?
Interesting article. Conclusions I draw: such a long distance commute costs a lot of extra time because of the need to recharge, and be careful how fast you drive. However, were there to be charging points at your destination, and/or were the car range to be 150 miles or more, then it would be competitive timewise with an ICE. So, give it a couple of years...
Consider if one was commuting to a job there would be a charging facility set up more than likely and therefore they wouldn't have to stop to charge at all.
Hi Electric Leaf Man (if thats your real name). I would love to make you my Nissan Leaf ambassador. I love your leaf videos they are really educational and funny! I am soon going to purchase a Leaf and you have played a huge part in that!
Hi. Good to meet you at the services (Ferrybridge?) last Monday. Keep posting. If you know anyone who has an EV but doesn't have off street parking I'd be interested to know how they get on. I know a few people who'd like an ev but have to park on the street.
I see you are pretty local to me. There are DC chargers at Meadowhall and AMP in Sheffield that are free. AMP has a cafe next to it and uses energy from the wind turbine, so is also green energy. Both are a minute or so from the motorway, so don't really cost time to use. Not sure if you also calculated the charge at home and final recharge into your castings, but even still Jon the 30KW leaf would have only added another £2 I think. If I see you around I will wave from my leaf.
As far as spending money at Services, couldn't you pack a lunch or snack from home with a thermos (do they still sell these?) of tea/coffee? These costs probably add up to more than your on-the-road charge stops. Cheers for uploading a great video about the real world EV experience! I am ever closer to having an EV thanks to your and other EV aficionados' efforts. Thanks.
Thanks for doing this. My commute is 124miles round-trip, mostly motorway. On average all year round I consume 62mpg, and I do it with a 70mph cruise speed. I think that if I could charge at the office it would be guaranteed to work with present day EV cars, but I would really like to be sure I can come back home in the winter even if I had no charger available at my usual destination! When you charged on your trip back, you said you had 88% left. How much when you got home?
In winter, 124miles would be too much. In summer you'd have 5-10% left. However the new leaf is launched next month which has a bigger range so maybe worth a look?
Electric Leaf Man yep. I might be one or two versions away from the right range. Once I tried my diesel burner at 60mph Max and that week i got 70mpg and a lot of boredom :p
Hi there, I've ordered a nissan leaf acenta 30KwH, and watching your videos helped that decision. Whiz across that link and I'd be happy to help. Cheers
I have a maximum 42 mile motorway commute each way. I can use a slower route that's 36 miles. With 6 free charge points at work I should rarely rely on other charge points. I have another large ice vehicle for family.
Look at a globe and you'll soon find out why the north of England is typically cool or cold. It is on the same latitude as Newfoundland. Or put another way, well north of Montreal, Quebec or even Edmonton Alberta.
They really need to standardize the charging methods, preferably on contactless inductive chargers like the paddles GM had briefly. As it currently stands, the plugs on the charger will eventually wear down or be damaged enough to not operate and no one would pay to replace them or even notice they no longer work. The chargers should also have cameras and toll tag readers to charge anyone who are parked in the stall regardless of whether or not they are charging and the chargers need a feature to send an SMS message when the charge are near completion.
:) in our Model 3 I took my wife and little girl to a beach some 100 miles from where we live the other day and, starting with an 80% charged battery we were able to do the round-trip and recharge the car in our garage for our next day's adventure. But I don't believe you have Mod 3's in the UK yet so the Leaf is a nice alternative.
Interesting video. Let's hope they put more chargers in ahead of mass adoption of EVs, queues at charge stations would not be good. The Zoe could just about do that journey but a twenty minute stop would make it comfortable. I reckon a 300 mile range would be worth paying for because it would mean only ever needing public chargers on very long journeys (though a fast charging solution is required for people without parking as I remain skeptical that people will want to use self driving taxis all of the time - I just like to carry things on a just in case basis and that would be impossible plus it is nice to have a car where you know people haven't been doing god knows what in it just before you get in, I also think cars driving around empty going to pick people up will replace a parking problem with a congestion problem).
I want to get or even build an ev. I don't drive everyday and when I do. It's only about 20-40 miles at most! I am off grid. And use solar power. I guess I'd need another 2kw in solar for charging alone? I guess also I'd be better off to build a charge station with Batteries and 2kw in solar atleast. What is the minimum charge current?
I'm a new subscriber and am really enjoying your factual and down to earth reviews. Thanks. I'd be interested to know your opinion of hybrids, specifically the Prius or Auris as I'm considering these as a potential next motor. Cheers - John
I will definitely make you my Nissan Leaf Ambassador. Look forward to your very informative videos. As a Leaf owner I definitely have range anxiety, luckily I don't do many long journeys. Not so much the range as to if the next charging point is available and working. Don't know how to send direct message through TH-cam?
Mr Ambassador, if the Leaf had come with curved graphene-based ultracapacitor batteries, you could do this commute every day without having to stop to recharge, would yer ? What I am saying is that there are ultracapacitor modules in the size of truck batteries that have the power of about100 kWh, and why not the Leaf come with such batteries. @
Seems like you had a nice driving experience. I noticed at the start of the video you where trying to be a Leaf Ambassador all the best with that. Don,t forget to send me the link. Thank you.
Range anxiety ? Watched a few of these various vlogs now and more than once the chargers have refused to work for some reason or another. Cannot help but wonder how you get on should your mobile/app etc decide to fail at this most important time ? As you know an ICE car will cover 300/400 miles at high speed without even thinking about it & some of the much newer ones are very economical as well (petrol focus I hired with the new 1.0 lit was real good) and will only need a service once a year. Yes for me an EV like the Leaf would work (well a Focus estate type would be even better) as we could charge at home but reading about this Leaf battery degradation has given me pause to wonder as they are only covered for 50k (need to now check out other makes ?
It would cost me approx 15 quid in diesel to do a similar trip and that takes a quick couple of minutes to put fuel in. Cannot see how electric cars and that much cheaper, but needs a lot more planning and stress to do longer distance. Diesel for me all the time untill a better alternative comes along Ive tried lpg but even that needed planning when you needed to stop for fuel
i come from an era whem smoking was advertised as good for you … today fossil cars are advertised in the same way …they dont say what comes out of the exhaust pipe is poison for every man woman and child to share… no health warnings … what is really taking the p is some fossil cars come with internal filters to protect the occupants inside while poisoning the people outside...
Do you think getting a used nissan leaf would be a good buy. Seen some for sell 6K with 22K miles 2011. This would save me £1200 a year in road tax and fuel?
Just make sure it's an acenta or tekna. Anything else has a majorly inefficient heater. Also go for batt owned not flex lease. I've a buyers guide in my channel.
I have a ford focus mk2 tci 1.8 I get around 42-48 miles per gallon on my run to work. The only issue I could see if the range of the car drops below 50-60 miles in a 4-5 year time.
Hi mate I'm happy to recommend you, just waiting on my lease on my current car to finish and I'll be getting one. send me the link and I'll do it straight away.
I guess you have the 30kWh-version with LBW at 15%. Why did you charge at 39%? Is there no fast charger closer to the destination? I'm thinking you if you can charge between LBW and VLBW and get faster speeds since you charge between 10%-60% rather than 27%-88% and the average charge speeds would be closer to 30kW rather than 25kW.
Charging at work would also have been easy but slower but if you are their for 6-8 hours no loss of time I just run a cord out the back of my shop and leave with a full charge not that I need it but why not the car is sitting their all day anyway.
Interesting video as always. Very timely for me - I'm on the precipice of swapping my diesel death machine for a 30kWh LEAF. I have a weekly commute of 140 miles each way, which I know in theory would be a doddle but I appreciate every reassuring voice! Be interested to know how you got such a good price on your car, by the way...
Hold back until 6th September when Nissan officially launches the all new LEAF. It's expected to have a 40KWh battery pack as standard, with a 60KWh option being likely. Probably won't arrive in UK showrooms until early next year, though.
Sounds like you intend to buy rather than lease. I'd recommend leasing rather than buying. EVs suffer from heavy depreciation in the first few years, much more so than ICE cars. Buying a model that is just about to be replaced by an all new one would increase the loss. Much more than the initial saving. Especially if the new car has a significant increase in range. Folk wouldn't want to buy a similar age EV which is an older model and has a much reduced range over the newer one.
Agree with Crash box on all that. Mine is leased, tho not on as good a deal as ELM! In 3 years my next purchase or lease option will hopefully be for a 60kw minimum batt car....whatever that mght be in 2020?!
Your man maths is out this time. The leaf costs approx £3 to charge at home and you spent £5.30 on each charge each way. That’s £13.60 plus the overpriced burger (£4) your on par with the 50-60mpg car. And you have lost 45 minutes. However, in an i3 94Ah rex you could have done it for £11 including the home charge and wouldn’t have had to stop. £9 petrol and £3 home electric. You may have also had some fuel still left in the tank at the end towards your next trip. The i3 is also more efficient so you could also do a higher average speed. I highly recommend one if you like the drive of your mini. The steering on the i3 is more like the mini and very fun.
On 5th September 2017 Nissan are unavailing 45kw and 60 kw versions of the leaf apparently to a new design. They have not yet published full details of the new car. Maybe, that car will offset your concerns about range/speed. Your pricing are the maximum required to charge the car. However, you can get free charging by switching your gas/electricity supplier to Ecotricity and also most Nissan Main Dealers provide a free charging station. Ecotricity have two fast chargers at most Motorway Service Stations and I have yet to find neither free when I have wanted to charge. But at a Dealership , someone else might be using the charger and that is a long wait. If you are able to charge your car overnight at home and you use an Economy 7 meter , then it costs me £0.0682 per kw. It is your decision whether you find a 45 minutes waiting time for charging or your requirement to drive at high speed makes you decide to purchase an i3 at it's higher purchase price or a Leaf with the drawbacks that you highlight. It is certainly true that I drive my Leaf at slightly slower speeds than I did with a conventional powered car to maximise it's range. One has to strike a balance between maximum speed and range required for the journey.
But he also should/could concider a free charge-point at the destination. Each way within the range of the car, and at least 3,6kW free charging at work during a normal day would cost you som pence, not pounds in fuel ;)
I'm not sure you're right about the efficiency of IC engined vehicles when the temperature drops. I thought the thermal efficiency improves when there's a greater temperature across the engine? Also, the heat you use to warm the car is waste heat that would normally be wasted, so it doesn't reduce the range either. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of electric cars, but things stated as fact should be correct.
I currently drive a Smart diesel, my daily commute is 37 miles each way, I considered an electric vehicle,but I live in a little lane which is a shared access, no guarantee of a parking spot, so no guarantee of being able to charge my car, as my commute is along the M5, during the summer months, getting in and out of Gordano services is a major expedition, very time consuming, in the area in which I live, we have no charging points, not good for a country looking at cutting down on emissions, if I were to get another car, it would have to be small to be able to park in the lane, sadly, the range of a Smart just doesn't make it worthwhile, sorry, I have to carry on polluting with my dirty diesel. Useful information on your videos though
I think Ecotricity's connection fee should be capped at £3 a day - otherwise in effect you're paying around 40p a kWh for electricity. by the way - as the new leaf has been launched just noticed the price on the current model 30kw non flex tekna model come down to £23,290 - bargain? Or wait for the new model?
Great video on the practicalities around long trips in our Gen II cars. People will laugh when they've driving 200 mile range EV's someday, but oh well. (And screw the complainers...)
It's funny some of the comments you get regarding the time spent aspects lol....I have just done a very Similar Journey from Liverpool to Leicestershire and back in a Toyota Auris 2Ltr Diesel and got 49.7MPG overall ☺the funniest part was this involved almost 50 miles of being stuck at below 50 mph due to roadworks and Average speed cameras back and front on M62 and M6 eventually managed to do 70+ on the A and 60 on the B Rds When I checked the trip on Sat Nav overall 30Mph average speed 😂I was forced to stop at a Service Station twice once due to a turned over van on M6 with standing traffic for 17 Miles so proffered to sit it out at the Service's Flask of tea butty time out LOL...So I can fully support EVs being a very Worthwhile alternative...It would be a lot better if they could improve the amount of Charging points and in the UK put them in a solar panel shelter for bad weather day's.....Great Video mate and good explanations 👍👍👍👍👍
So you were doing 55mph (ish) on the outward journey, and 70mph(ish) on the homeward leg?Would travelling at 70mph outward saved/cost you time at the charger?
Good man. My daily commute is only about 15 miles return, so my 2011 10 bar Leaf still suits. Like you, I can't imagine having a triple figure commute.
Interesting though isn't it. In the next gen Leaf, you could potentially manage it with only 1 stop, costing you only the 3 quid connection and the KWh used (with it hopefully being more efficent) So the bigger the range, the cheaper it costs. Only downside of course is due to the car being new, I guess we will find out how much more a month it'll cost. I know for sure that driving an EV for me would be more expensive than my ICE just because I bought my ICE outright 7 years ago costing £1200 lol. But that could be said for any car on finance.
Not necessarily. How much would you spend on fuel if you did 15k a year? 15k costs me £225. The car costs me £2100 a year. So all fuel, car and repairs etc (new tyres and brakes too) is £2325 a year.
Electric Leaf Man Quick reply! I only do 6k-7k a year. My car achieves 48-50mpg and it hasn't cost me anything apart from 2 tyres, an exaust, and of course the usual service, MOT, tax, insurance. Puts me at about £100 a month if nothing requires being done on it *fingers crossed* I need a safer car though and an EV is going to be my next. It's just when to make the jump. To go PCP or get a loan to buy used and then sell after 4-5 years. Unsure about that at the moment.
Electric Leaf Man Yeah haha. Makes me wish I did more mileage to counteract the cost of it. Still have no idea what they are going to do about road tax in the future either. Hoping by the end of this year, I will be £100 better off a month because of remortgaging so... Still, even with the shadow of the new car and the reduction of volumes, still can't get a great deal on a 30kwh Tekna yet
IRC it would be quicker to go a solid 70 on the first leg, even though you'd spend longer charging and it would cost slightly more, but the charge rate is faster than the discharge rate so the total time would be less.
a quick question (not aimed at you mate :)) but considering ALL evs apart from the NV220 and the new BYD London buses :) why don't all the charging points have shrouds at least over the front of the bonnet or boot depending on charge points as NO car would impede the cover??? this should be a NO brainer for the ecotricty etc chargers?
Great videos. I'm using a 24kW LEAF and would like some tips for motorway driving. You seem to have the skills. I drove from East Yorkshire to Bristol last weekend and found that I had to drive at 50/55mph to even get 60ish miles of range on motorways. Driving like a nun. Tyres pumped to 40psi. Stopped 5 times. 7.5 hours. Is that normal in your opinion?
I'd expect at this time of the year around 70 miles in the Leaf24. Use the speed limiter (not cruise control) and don't accelerate going up hill. Eco mode of course. Park yourself behind a coach if poss and follow them.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Thank you. Yes. ECO mode all the time for longer journeys. I've never used the limiter. I'll give it a go next time. (I tried the cruise control and it makes things worse as you seem to suggest). I also tried to park behind HGV, but they went too quickly for me. It was freezing cold of course and had a full car load, but still. The GOM started out with over 30 miles spare over the projected distance after a charge, but ended up being very tight towards the end and closer to the destination. I had to go slower and slower to be sure of arriving. I still do have a full battery health as well, so not sure why my range is so poor. I'm generally stopping between 50 and 60 miles to avoid arriving completely empty of course... Should've got a 30kWh I think!
Hi, I've found your videos on leaf ownership really interesting and have spurred me on to considering buying my own. We're taking one on a family test drive on Monday! You make a great leaf ambassador, would be happy to support you, send me the link!
Your videos are great, interesting & informative I’m hoping to get a 40kWh Leaf when my current Motability contract expires. The old Leaf was on Motability but at the moment Leaf 2.0 isn’t on the scheme. Would you be my Leaf Ambassador? Thanks Dan
Haha Tesla people don’t wave, come to think no Leafs notice me waving either. I drive an iMiEV(only saw 1 this year and they waved like crazy). Love your accent, trying it out on my 10mth old. I live in Winnipeg.
Just to clarify ELM - do you get the bonus on used Leafs or just new ones? I'll bear it in mind when/if I finally take the plunge but I'll be buying used.
Do you think this car is worth buying for daily commute? I do about 140-170KM daily. I do have charger at work and home. Mostly highway driving. or atleast 50,000KM/year good buy for this car?
Once there are charging stations everywhere, you would just drive to the venue or jobsite, charge there while you are doing your thing or working, then it would be fully charged for an uneventful ride home with no charge stops. The problem is not the range, it's the infrastructure.
Why do you think the leaf over estimates the added range when charging during a trip. Your app said you got 12KWh which is 40% and the Leaf said you got 43% added. I know this is less than 10% inaccuracy but if you are trying to stretch you low range electric car to go close to twice its range with only one charge in the middle this can be a real problem. This inaccuracy caused the one time I ran out of charge in my leaf in the last 2 years, and I was only 1/2 mile from the next charger.
When I charge over night to 100% it is always very accurate. But if I every drop to a low enough charge that I can add more than 50% in a short period of time it seems to get the calculations wrong. If you divide the amount of energy the charger put in the car by the amount of range the car said it got added in miles the numbers will not match up. So If you add 10KWh it will say you got 50 miles of range added which is 5 miles per KWh, way higher than my average efficiency. Have you ever done this calculation after a big charge (not one that charged all the way back to 100%) to see what efficiency it is assuming you are getting on that fresh energy that was just added to the battery. By the way I love my leaf and am looking forward to my Model 3 in March. So I am not trying to say anything bad about electric cars I am just wondering why Nissan is not being more accurate with the range estimator.
The calculations will be the same with the % gauge. If you add 10KWh to a 2017 leaf it will show an addition of 35%(or more) added when it should only show 33% (30KWh battery / 10KWh). I think this is such a low percentage of inaccuracy that people might not care. But this make it dangerous to go off the dash gauges if you are driving 93% of your range one way then charging to 98% and driving back home, because you might actually only have a 92% full battery. Have you ever actually looked at the gauges this close after a big charge. Here is another video charging a leaf showing the same problem th-cam.com/video/6d7qG3NUpys/w-d-xo.html&app=desktop The charger said it gave him a little over 7.7KWh of energy. And the car told him his battery was increased by 35% charge. 7.7KWh in a 2017 leaf is 26% not 35%.
Hi mate,sorry I didn't get your name ,but two things that I can see as to why I think E V s are not ready for most computers, firstly time is money for me and 45 minutes twice daily would cost me considerably ,secondly imagine doing that trip with kids in car ? It's bad enough when you don't have to stop for fuel ! I can see good points too ,but they a ling way off ready for me ! BUT no doubt that they'll get there cheers Steve
You priced how much it would cost in petrol or diesel but the E mode would have cost more as well as you didn't include the initial charge when you started which would be another £5
Hi Electric Leaf Man I would like to make you my Nissan Leaf ambassador. Your videos are a great way of educating the general public on electric vehicles. After watching your videos I have bought a 2014 leaf tekna 😁👍
i still dont fully understand the issue on big trip using this chademo.. ev force you to dont exceed speed limit.. so keep me safer (i tend to go fast) my back hurt a lot after 2-3 hours of driving.. you take 30 minutes brake after every 2 hours of driving.... for an holiday looks fine to me...
My Leaf has lost about 30 miles range since it was new. But my commute is only 41 miles round trip, so it is not a problem so far. I do not have range anxiety because I do the same trip every day and always have about 12 miles left on the GOM when I get home. I often wonder if videos like this one help or hurt the image of electric cars. It seems to promote the idea of range anxiety as a major issue. While any EV driver knows better, persons who have not driven one might get the idea that range is all EV owners think about. The truth is, i think about range far less than an ICE driver thinks about filling his car with gas.
Let's be honest, it is an issue though. It's a significant compromise over an ICE car which for me is offset by the money saving. I do 15,000 miles a year in the Leaf (min) and tomorrow I'm going on a 250 mile journey. It's more difficult in an EV right now than an ICE. These videos are to try an answer the most common reason people don't look for one, range. Let's not kid ourselves though, they're not quite ready for most people as an only car. I wouldn't have one if I didn't have another car in the house to use when I need.
Electric Leaf Man I've been considering a 30 kW Leaf for a 95 mile commute in north Wales, the car will comfortably do the journey but leaves little left for evening run about driving. My other option would be a Zoe 40 kW. Whichever I choose my next car will be electric. Enjoyed your TH-cam blogs and find them to be both informative and entertaining!!
You are right of course. It is an issue. But the real issue is people do not like change. So they use range as an excuse to justify their decision that EVs are an evil liberal plot. But as the price of fuel rises those issues seem to become less important and changing to an EV starts to look better and better. Thus, in Europe where gasoline is expensive EVs are becoming common, where as in the US where gasoline is still $2 per gallon EV driver are tree hugging crazy people. (like me)
I think the range thing can worry some folk unnecessarily. I have had my Leaf three years and I know just what it is capable of. It is a bit like driving with a half size fuel tank! Most people are creatures of habit and my weekly driving pattern changes little. You get to know your longest runs and so range anxiety is not a problem. At the moment though, things can get "Interesting" when you venture a distance. It can be a challenge of how you'll get back. I carry spare cable and sometimes charge overnight at helpful B&Bs. I don't like charge "Pumps"... When it's raining you get wet and when the sun's out it's very difficult to read them and I need a youngun to teach me how to scan a code! Also make sure your ap. has a current credit card registered in the settings. Last month on the A55 one of the two pumps were out of use and the other took two telephone calls. The coffee was also the most expensive rubbish I've ever had! Never the less, I love my Leaf..... Ugly but beautiful :)
@@ElectricVehicleMan Does the battery have cooling/heating management then, or is it a case of something else comes into play? Also, another quick question ( although I suspect not that quick, sorry ! ) does the 2018 Leaf really suffer from rapid gate or is it people trying to make it fail by driving like twonks ?
No leaf has batt management. In the 30 the batt gets hot but only after 3-5 rapids (many variables). The 40 has 25% more energy in the same space so it’s like increasing the water temp in your radiators, the heat builds up quicker. You should get at least 250miles in the 40 before you might hit a slow charge, less chance in colder months of course.
It's not particularly cheap to use those services, but to me the main benefit of EVs are not the cost savings but more just how much better they are for day to day use. Engines are better for "emotional" cars, but eMotors do the job very well for everything else.
The 45 minutes (charge stops) could be spent doing things you would do at other points of the day - reading for pleasure, answering emails, tea-break, using wi-fi hotspots to watch TH-cam videos etc. It does not have to be "lost" time. Just has to be re-arranged, freeing up that same 45 minutes for later in the day. Just a thought. Cheers.
It's still travel time. Even if you can figure something to do while waiting for a charge.
Constant moaners who can't start think differently. You guys are pulling us and the whole human race backward. Forget the active ten minutes at petrol stations and welcome the half an hour do whatever the heck you want. Dare to think differently
@@ShabaaUkelele I'd rather be spending the extra time at home with my family
@@steveroche2524get a job closer then. And if it's such a good job then I guess it pays enough to buy a car with bigger battery 😉
when u spend 7k in gas a year, those 45 mins aint that bad. These cars are for niche flocks like us. 🥳
Hi, I was due to change my bmw 5 series and was thinking about an electric but the usual concerns were putting me off. Pretty much decided on a Toyota hybrid when I stumbled across your videos. Totally allayed my fears about going electric and last week I bought a 2014 leaf tekna from Chorley Nissan. Absolutely delighted with the car, suits my needs perfectly. Happy to put you down as an ambassador, you are the reason I took the plunge!
Send me a private message!
I was also considering a hybrid. I was all set on one...…………...but something was wrong...……...not sure why, but I had some kind of weird feeling I was making wrong decision. I ended up ducking out of a deal that the dealer thought he made. then I ended up looking at electric cars and suddenly ended up doing a deal at Nissan. I didn't get that same bad feeling and hope that it pays off. waiting to hear to pick it up.
YA-NU DIDDLEESQUATS HAPPY GAMING has yo car arrived mate
Datruth Commission no😭. Its so depressing. Ive been let down for almost a month now. Reason being is that it was an ex courtesy car and needed a little work in the bodyshop done on passenger side door. Light scratches. I didnt mind it done, but its been at a bodyshop they chose. They dont tell me where and they said it would be done last wednesday. Then i phoned and they said he needs more time. They never give me a set date and it keeps getting delayed. Tbh, im kind of getting annoyed about it all and they know im not impressed with the delays. Ive given up asking and they try being nice msging, but i dont respond anymore, coz im sick of excuses. Im waiting for them to say its ready and i cant wait to express just how crazy this whole waiting has been. Any dealer or bodyshop has always gave me a rough date. This is just stupid. 😤
Isn't it high time that the charging network owners considered their customers comfort and put a roof over their chargers, like most petrol stations have.
You beat me to it! Why no roofs over chargers?
Tesla does that with some of their superchargers. A lot of the electric chargers, in cities at least, are in parking houses.
It's economics. EVs are sadly still a small percentage of all cars and they don't want to spend money on such small numbers. Also, if EVs fail to penetrate the market and are rejected by the public, they don't want to be stuck with expensive infrastructure. If EVs become mainstream then the chargers will have shelter just like the gas pumps now do.
tanzanable surely the addition of a canopy would not only increase comfort for users but provide additional weather protection for the pumps, plus an ice driver thinking of going EV seeing some unfortunate EV driver battling against a blizzard or horizontal rain just to charge is likely going to see that as an excuse not to change.
A roof with solar panels on it!!!!!
No complaining about rain in the UK...you have green fields and plenty of crops. All sunshine makes a desert, the Arabs say.
Your advice was invaluable when I bought Maple in December. More than happy to have you as my Leaf Ambassador.
I think that's too late I'm afraid. Needs to be decent or from now on. Cheers though!
Not a problem. What might be worth doing is if you get loads of these; just do a count and letting them know. You never know :P. I might be getting another leaf (second hand) from Nissan in the next month or so for my wife, if I do, I will dm you :D.
I spend the 45 mins recharge , recharging myself with a bite to eat , coffee trip to 🚽
General chill before back to the rat race...... keep up the vids fella
For 9 months I used a 30kWh leaf to do a 200 mile round trip on three consecutive days a week. Each way was approximately 30 miles of A and B roads and 70 of motorway, the economy was helped by a 50mph zone on the M5. The result was very temperature dependant. on a warm summers day I could do the entire journey on 77% charge, below 5'C temperature I had to stop at the only rapid charger. I used to drive at 60 - 65mph (as fast as lorries) using cruise control. If the journey was 100 miles on the motorway alone, I wouldn't say it was sensibly doable without annoying lorries. As straightforward as it was, I'm looking forward to a 40 or 60 kWh Leaf.
Ross Cudlipp that's exactly the sensible summary I needed - thanks for contributing.
I subscribed to your channel a few weeks ago and your excellent videos convinced wifey and me to upgrade from our 3-year-old Yaris to a Leaf. After a test drive at West Way Nissan in Coventry last week we placed an order for the Leaf Tekna and we're collecting it tomorrow.
Good video... An observation on your savings though, I've done ~24k miles in a VW e-golf in the last two years and the only servicing costs have been wiper fluid and two front tires. In my wife's car, which has done similar mileage, we've probably spent two grand on general maintenance stuff.... We got our e-golf lease (deposit free as well) for less than the price of petrol every month in what was my main car, but I hadn't factored in as well the savings on everything else: brakes, oil, servicing etc, so its actually turned out to be a much better deal than I'd hoped.
You should list the general maintenance on your wife's car. Sounds like you are being ripped off or it's a shitty car or your wife is a shitty driver.
It's a '98 Ford Expedition. Brakes (we live at the top of a mountain), new MFA sensor, and the regular oil, filters, new battery, tires etc. $1000 per year for a car of that age? Seems totally reasonable to me. I do most of my own maintenance, and I'm not commenting on my wife's driving ;)
Also, "two grand" in in US Dollars, not pounds, but still.......
Ive just bought one as your videos have been informative.
Simon
Great video :) I've got a 24kw Leaf on the Motability scheme (as I'm disabled). I've traveled nearly 35,000 miles in 28 months, mainly drama free miles (apart from the Ecotricity app!). I wouldn't want to go back to regularly using an ICE vehicle. My only worry is currently there are no EV's on offer on the Motability scheme :( I hope that changes before January 2018 when I have to put my application in :)
A couple of months ago, my next door neighbour had a bunch of solar panels fitted to his roof. Just today I noticed a Hyundai Ioniq plugged in to the side of his house. I've got neighbour envy right now. Guess I'll have to keep buying lottery tickets.
Don Little yeah you never know, inheritance, he could be in some sort of debt, or maybe he got a rebate, you never know unless he tells ya. About half my block drive cars that are 5 to $10,000 and the other half drive $10,000 up till about maybe $40,000, no highrollers around here. Only 1 hybrid which is weird considering there is a lot of hippies. No solar at all, even the rich.Winnipeg is pretty blue collar.
I have a leaf and agree with what you are saying to a point. I have a Leaf with a 30 kw battery. I find that if I drive at 50 mph on the motorway , it has a range of around 150 miles. If I drive at 70 mph, it's range reduces to 70-80 miles. Both these are for summer temperatures of around 20 C, if the air temperature is below zero, the range is reduced.
More importantly, I find that a rapid battery recharge increases the battery temperature by two divisions. That means that after two rapid charges, the battery temperature reaches it's maximum permitted level. I find that when driving the battery temperature remains unchanged. The consequence is that if your journey requires three (or more) rapid recharges, then the car has to be left to allow the battery temperature to cool by two divisions. I do not know how long that takes but do know that in my car leaving the battery 75 minutes to cool only reduced it's temperature by one division.
I thought that I had a fault with my car but found that was untrue. A Nissan Main Agent provided me with another 30kw Leaf to test whether it had the same characteristics as my car with regard to battery temperature. The result of the test was that the two cars behaved in a similar manner.
In conclusion, if your journey takes a maximum of two recharges, this is a superb car in every respect but for longer journeys , the driver is either required to wait long times for the battery to cool or has to drive slowly on the motorways which I found to be a frightening experience.
It is possible to reduce the cost of your journey to zero by changing your home gas/electricity supplier to Ecotricity. That gives the driver 52 free rapid charges in a year.
To change to Ecotricity it would cost me £400 per month year more! So it's way more expensive to switch just to save £3. I've done 280 miles on a single run, can go longer if you drive slower. Doing 240miles tomorrow. The Leaf doesn't have active cooling so has to cool down.
Hi Changing to Ecotricity did not significantly change my gas + electricity bills, I suppose that depends on your particular circumstances. The cost of a rapid charge by Ecotricity is £6 not the £3 you quoted unless it has changed in the last 6 months. I have driven 9723 miles in my car since October 2016 and to date my total electricity charges for that mileage is £33.29. It is an incredibly cheap car to run.
I do 15k a year. Ecotricity changed pricing couple of months ago.
Hi
I have looked on the Ecotricity webpage and you are correct that they have changed their pricing. Now it is £3 connection charge plus 17p per kw. So if to put in 25 KW, the total cost is £7.25.
Just started watching and it's great that you put the ambassador program at the start mate, pretty much certain that I will be getting the second gen model so you'll definitely get my reference. On a side note you might want to consider adding or editing your petrol/diesel comparison with higher mileages (that us taxi drivers will encounter years before average owners or potential owners of higher mileage leafs) with the extra costs of replacing the timing belt 60-100k plus water and fuel pumps, exhausts (or parts of) injectors dpf filters etc. Just a thought mate.
It's the rain that makes this land green. We'd feel lost without it’s comforting sounds. ;-p // EV ranges are improving, so that a few years from now we'll be looking at these videos and wondering what all of the range anxiety fuss was about. BTW, seen plenty of stinker drivers over the decades who were having range anxiety, plus wallet anxiety. Thanks for the review, ELM.
Hopefully you'll be doing a "you're thoughts" video on the new leaf in the coming days. I got up in the night to watch the live stream. Was very impressed with the whole package!
I have an eNV200 van that has been amazing for the last three years. The only down sides are one, high insurance, and the damp heater in the winter
I love commuting in my leaf but it is a shorter commute at US interstate speeds of 70-80 mph. The only issue I have as an American is I live in a big country everything is so spread out so I still have to have an ICE (ford focus hatch) but once the network gets expanded here and affordable longer range EV's are on the market I hope to be all EV. I do have one advantage though the US leaf plant is roughly in the middle of my commute and all the local nissan dealerships have free lvl 3 charging so I find myself charging on the way home just because it's free. By the way, love the channel (thought about doing an US version, because it is a bit different over here, lol). The network is crap in most states and to visit family it is a 300 mile 5hr trip one way so there are challenges that are very apparent across the pond.
I'm going to my parents today, 260miles away.
Are you going to video it?
I agree with you Jason. The distances are much greater here and public charging stations disappear once you get out of the city. No way to drive on the open road in my Leaf.
For anyone buying a cheap Gen 1 Leaf now in the UK: check the battery capacity in kWh, then calculate what range you need for your commute.
In my case, my battery capacity is now 18 kWh when charged to 100%. I do mixed highway (70mph) and town driving on my commute, which includes a couple of steep hill climbs, giving me an average of 3.5 miles per kWh. However, I don't want to use the last 2 kWh of the battery capacity, so in effect I have 3.5 x 16 kWh = 56 mile range @ 100% charge. I ignore the car's range estimate; it gives me "85 miles" when I charge to 100%, which is obviously impossible. If I drove at below 40mph and tried not to accelerate too much, lived in an area with fewer steep hills (!), avoid very wet weather, and didn't use AC or heating, I could get 4.5 miles per kWh.
If I charge to 80%, the range drops down to about 45 miles in real range.
For reference, by battery State of Health (SOH) reports as 82% and 11/12 health bars are lit on the car's battery display.
The % SOH has actually gone UP since I bought the car, so take that number with a pinch of salt. Occasional charges to 100% seem to balance the battery cells and causes the battery management system to say that the battery health is improving. Most of the time, I charge to 80%. I also never run the battery down below 20%.
I've done a similar one but not often, I have the luxury of working at home. Manchester to Rotherham, 75 miles. No stops. Rotherham back to Woolley Edge M1 North bound Ecotricity pump is about 25 miles, leaving about 22 miles left in the car, which is a reasonable margin. (I have a new 30kw Accenta). Plug in and charge. For the time it took me to go to the loo, get a coffee, drink it, answer a few emails etc, it's around 20 minutes, by which time the car now has 85/90 miles range. and I need 50 to get home - a bit less actually, as the return to Manchester is a nice downhill once past Bradford, and power usage is much reduced. The last two times at Woolley Edge, the pump has only charged me for the £3 connection and not the 17p per kW (Don't tell anyone or they will fix it!) So cost is about £5, or about £8 if Ecotricity mend the pump, or 3.33 p per mile or 5.33 per mile. Way worth a 20 minute stop I'd do anyway.
my bad I was also replying to another site where his name was Ian so ...... anyway I thoroughly enjoy your musings and check in often.
Can you get a battery or generator trailer for the long trips?
Hey, I'm in SW Florida. We do have 'sun' but, believe it or not, we also have rain and, during our 6-month-long 'rainy season' which just happens to be in the Summer, we have rain just about every single day.
Great video. One massive thing though. Why are these areas not covered?
Ian Always enjoy your posts. Just think about how far the infra structure has advanced since you began posting. And it is only going to get better
Ian?
Electric Vehicle Man I think that’s a different channel! 😂
It would have been nice if you displayed all the times, stats and numbers on the screen
Can someone tell me.....
I bought my first Leaf yesterday - a 2015 S
and trickle charged it last night. It shows 100 percent and 96 miles.
I read it may be better to charge to 80 percent rather than 100.
How would you do that?
Can you turn on the car WHILE IT IS CHARGING and look at the display?
I thought I read in the manual that the car had to be off while charging.
It would be nice to have a display that shows you details while it is charging.
Is it really better to only charge to 80 percent ?
Interesting article. Conclusions I draw: such a long distance commute costs a lot of extra time because of the need to recharge, and be careful how fast you drive. However, were there to be charging points at your destination, and/or were the car range to be 150 miles or more, then it would be competitive timewise with an ICE. So, give it a couple of years...
Consider if one was commuting to a job there would be a charging facility set up more than likely and therefore they wouldn't have to stop to charge at all.
Hi Electric Leaf Man (if thats your real name). I would love to make you my Nissan Leaf ambassador. I love your leaf videos they are really educational and funny! I am soon going to purchase a Leaf and you have played a huge part in that!
Send me a private message and I'll send you what you need. Cheers!
Electric Leaf Man already have buddy
Hi. Good to meet you at the services (Ferrybridge?) last Monday. Keep posting.
If you know anyone who has an EV but doesn't have off street parking I'd be interested to know how they get on. I know a few people who'd like an ev but have to park on the street.
Someone has done it, it seems it very much depends on your local council. twitter.com/RolecEV/status/902097208069279744
I see you are pretty local to me. There are DC chargers at Meadowhall and AMP in Sheffield that are free. AMP has a cafe next to it and uses energy from the wind turbine, so is also green energy. Both are a minute or so from the motorway, so don't really cost time to use. Not sure if you also calculated the charge at home and final recharge into your castings, but even still Jon the 30KW leaf would have only added another £2 I think. If I see you around I will wave from my leaf.
That did include the home charge. Meadowhall etc is a lot more likely to be in use so I usually use the 2-3 at services. After all it's about a fiver!
Electric Leaf Man Agreed that Meadowhall is likely to be full. :)
AMP is a pretty good shout, but only one pump...alternate if busy is services.
As far as spending money at Services, couldn't you pack a lunch or snack from home with a thermos (do they still sell these?) of tea/coffee? These costs probably add up to more than your on-the-road charge stops. Cheers for uploading a great video about the real world EV experience! I am ever closer to having an EV thanks to your and other EV aficionados' efforts. Thanks.
Apple put on a buffet each day but I have no will power.
Nicely done. That was a great and balanced video.
Thanks for doing this. My commute is 124miles round-trip, mostly motorway. On average all year round I consume 62mpg, and I do it with a 70mph cruise speed. I think that if I could charge at the office it would be guaranteed to work with present day EV cars, but I would really like to be sure I can come back home in the winter even if I had no charger available at my usual destination!
When you charged on your trip back, you said you had 88% left. How much when you got home?
In winter, 124miles would be too much. In summer you'd have 5-10% left. However the new leaf is launched next month which has a bigger range so maybe worth a look?
Electric Leaf Man yep. I might be one or two versions away from the right range.
Once I tried my diesel burner at 60mph Max and that week i got 70mpg and a lot of boredom :p
I'm on holiday on the island of Crete, and just watched ELM....fun huh :3
Hi there, I've ordered a nissan leaf acenta 30KwH, and watching your videos helped that decision. Whiz across that link and I'd be happy to help. Cheers
Send me a private message and I'll send you the links. I can't send you one as it seems it's disabled.
I have a maximum 42 mile motorway commute each way. I can use a slower route that's 36 miles. With 6 free charge points at work I should rarely rely on other charge points. I have another large ice vehicle for family.
Why is it so cold there in the middle of summer? Did they move Britain to the Arctic or something?
Look at a globe and you'll soon find out why the north of England is typically cool or cold. It is on the same latitude as Newfoundland. Or put another way, well north of Montreal, Quebec or even Edmonton Alberta.
Yet the Gulf stream keeps it warmer than any of those places in the winter so i doubt it's just a matter of latitude
They really need to standardize the charging methods, preferably on contactless inductive chargers like the paddles GM had briefly. As it currently stands, the plugs on the charger will eventually wear down or be damaged enough to not operate and no one would pay to replace them or even notice they no longer work. The chargers should also have cameras and toll tag readers to charge anyone who are parked in the stall regardless of whether or not they are charging and the chargers need a feature to send an SMS message when the charge are near completion.
:) in our Model 3 I took my wife and little girl to a beach some 100 miles from where we live the other day and, starting with an 80% charged battery we were able to do the round-trip and recharge the car in our garage for our next day's adventure.
But I don't believe you have Mod 3's in the UK yet so the Leaf is a nice alternative.
Interesting video. Let's hope they put more chargers in ahead of mass adoption of EVs, queues at charge stations would not be good. The Zoe could just about do that journey but a twenty minute stop would make it comfortable. I reckon a 300 mile range would be worth paying for because it would mean only ever needing public chargers on very long journeys (though a fast charging solution is required for people without parking as I remain skeptical that people will want to use self driving taxis all of the time - I just like to carry things on a just in case basis and that would be impossible plus it is nice to have a car where you know people haven't been doing god knows what in it just before you get in, I also think cars driving around empty going to pick people up will replace a parking problem with a congestion problem).
I want to get or even build an ev. I don't drive everyday and when I do. It's only about 20-40 miles at most! I am off grid. And use solar power. I guess I'd need another 2kw in solar for charging alone? I guess also I'd be better off to build a charge station with Batteries and 2kw in solar atleast. What is the minimum charge current?
Google a zappi charger. It can take excess solar and trickle it into the car.
I'm a new subscriber and am really enjoying your factual and down to earth reviews. Thanks.
I'd be interested to know your opinion of hybrids, specifically the Prius or Auris as I'm considering these as a potential next motor.
Cheers - John
I will definitely make you my Nissan Leaf Ambassador. Look forward to your very informative videos. As a Leaf owner I definitely have range anxiety, luckily I don't do many long journeys. Not so much the range as to if the next charging point is available and working. Don't know how to send direct message through TH-cam?
It can only be done before or just after purchase I believe. DMs are sent by clicking on my channel name and then 'about'.
Mr Ambassador, if the Leaf had come with curved graphene-based ultracapacitor batteries, you could do this commute every day without having to stop to recharge, would yer ? What I am saying is that there are ultracapacitor modules in the size of truck batteries that have the power of about100 kWh, and why not the Leaf come with such batteries.
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20 mins per top up charge?
Seems like you had a nice driving experience. I noticed at the start of the video you where trying to be a Leaf Ambassador all the best with that. Don,t forget to send me the link. Thank you.
Range anxiety ?
Watched a few of these various vlogs now and more than once the chargers have refused to work for some reason or another.
Cannot help but wonder how you get on should your mobile/app etc decide to fail at this most important time ?
As you know an ICE car will cover 300/400 miles at high speed without even thinking about it & some of the much newer ones are very economical as well (petrol focus I hired with the new 1.0 lit was real good) and will only need a service once a year.
Yes for me an EV like the Leaf would work (well a Focus estate type would be even better) as we could charge at home but reading about this Leaf battery degradation has given me pause to wonder as they are only covered for 50k (need to now check out other makes ?
It would cost me approx 15 quid in diesel to do a similar trip and that takes a quick couple of minutes to put fuel in.
Cannot see how electric cars and that much cheaper, but needs a lot more planning and stress to do longer distance.
Diesel for me all the time untill a better alternative comes along
Ive tried lpg but even that needed planning when you needed to stop for fuel
£15 per day is £75 a week! At least £300 per month saving?? You're richer than me!
i come from an era whem smoking was advertised as good for you … today fossil cars are advertised in the same way …they dont say what comes out of the exhaust pipe is poison for every man woman and child to share… no health warnings … what is really taking the p is some fossil cars come with internal filters to protect the occupants inside while poisoning the people outside...
Do you think getting a used nissan leaf would be a good buy. Seen some for sell 6K with 22K miles 2011. This would save me £1200 a year in road tax and fuel?
Just make sure it's an acenta or tekna. Anything else has a majorly inefficient heater. Also go for batt owned not flex lease. I've a buyers guide in my channel.
My Leaf is saving me about £137 per month when compared to my previous diesel car which did about 50 miles per gallon.
I have a ford focus mk2 tci 1.8 I get around 42-48 miles per gallon on my run to work. The only issue I could see if the range of the car drops below 50-60 miles in a 4-5 year time.
8 year battery warranty. Even without that it wouldn't happen.
Hi mate I'm happy to recommend you, just waiting on my lease on my current car to finish and I'll be getting one. send me the link and I'll do it straight away.
DM sent!
@@ElectricVehicleMan hi could you send me the link to get it from £170 with no deposit
I'd like an electric car but live in a block of flats so no way of charging at home and not many charge points close to were I live
I guess you have the 30kWh-version with LBW at 15%. Why did you charge at 39%? Is there no fast charger closer to the destination? I'm thinking you if you can charge between LBW and VLBW and get faster speeds since you charge between 10%-60% rather than 27%-88% and the average charge speeds would be closer to 30kW rather than 25kW.
Sylwester nope.
please sir i have nissan leaf 8 bars this is problem. i need to rise bars to 12 bars for a big distance. please help me
Refurbish the batteries is your only choice or stop more often.
Charging at work would also have been easy but slower but if you are their for 6-8 hours no loss of time I just run a cord out the back of my shop and leave with a full charge not that I need it but why not the car is sitting their all day anyway.
Three figure commute is not unusual these days. Just how long did the charge time add to the journey overall. I note you are running light.
I think I said in the video how long. Can’t remember how long it was off the top of my head. Running light??
Single occupancy and no boot load
Interesting video as always. Very timely for me - I'm on the precipice of swapping my diesel death machine for a 30kWh LEAF. I have a weekly commute of 140 miles each way, which I know in theory would be a doddle but I appreciate every reassuring voice!
Be interested to know how you got such a good price on your car, by the way...
Hold back until 6th September when Nissan officially launches the all new LEAF. It's expected to have a 40KWh battery pack as standard, with a 60KWh option being likely. Probably won't arrive in UK showrooms until early next year, though.
Nissan screwed up and I get a preferential price. Try carwow too.
Crash Box Yes indeed. On the other hand, the new car arriving may mean a great deal on a late production or ex-demo of the current model...
Sounds like you intend to buy rather than lease. I'd recommend leasing rather than buying. EVs suffer from heavy depreciation in the first few years, much more so than ICE cars. Buying a model that is just about to be replaced by an all new one would increase the loss. Much more than the initial saving. Especially if the new car has a significant increase in range. Folk wouldn't want to buy a similar age EV which is an older model and has a much reduced range over the newer one.
Agree with Crash box on all that. Mine is leased, tho not on as good a deal as ELM! In 3 years my next purchase or lease option will hopefully be for a 60kw minimum batt car....whatever that mght be in 2020?!
Wondering how it does it in -25 -30C weather?
Norway is the biggest adoptor of EVs so very well I would say.
Your man maths is out this time. The leaf costs approx £3 to charge at home and you spent £5.30 on each charge each way. That’s £13.60 plus the overpriced burger (£4) your on par with the 50-60mpg car. And you have lost 45 minutes. However, in an i3 94Ah rex you could have done it for £11 including the home charge and wouldn’t have had to stop. £9 petrol and £3 home electric. You may have also had some fuel still left in the tank at the end towards your next trip. The i3 is also more efficient so you could also do a higher average speed. I highly recommend one if you like the drive of your mini. The steering on the i3 is more like the mini and very fun.
Home charging costs me £1.35 for a full 100%. 5p pkwh. The i3 is better but on a monthly basis twice the price! It ain't twice as good.
On 5th September 2017 Nissan are unavailing 45kw and 60 kw versions of the leaf apparently to a new design. They have not yet published full details of the new car. Maybe, that car will offset your concerns about range/speed.
Your pricing are the maximum required to charge the car. However, you can get free charging by switching your gas/electricity supplier to Ecotricity and also most Nissan Main Dealers provide a free charging station. Ecotricity have two fast chargers at most Motorway Service Stations and I have yet to find neither free when I have wanted to charge. But at a Dealership , someone else might be using the charger and that is a long wait. If you are able to charge your car overnight at home and you use an Economy 7 meter , then it costs me £0.0682 per kw.
It is your decision whether you find a 45 minutes waiting time for charging or your requirement to drive at high speed makes you decide to purchase an i3 at it's higher purchase price or a Leaf with the drawbacks that you highlight.
It is certainly true that I drive my Leaf at slightly slower speeds than I did with a conventional powered car to maximise it's range. One has to strike a balance between maximum speed and range required for the journey.
Ecotricity is £400 a year more expensive than my current supplier. Not worth it to save £3 occasionally.
But he also should/could concider a free charge-point at the destination.
Each way within the range of the car, and at least 3,6kW free charging at work during a normal day would cost you som pence, not pounds in fuel ;)
Mark Perrin returns from the banning on speakev, hello...
I'm not sure you're right about the efficiency of IC engined vehicles when the temperature drops. I thought the thermal efficiency improves when there's a greater temperature across the engine? Also, the heat you use to warm the car is waste heat that would normally be wasted, so it doesn't reduce the range either.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of electric cars, but things stated as fact should be correct.
I currently drive a Smart diesel, my daily commute is 37 miles each way, I considered an electric vehicle,but I live in a little lane which is a shared access, no guarantee of a parking spot, so no guarantee of being able to charge my car, as my commute is along the M5, during the summer months, getting in and out of Gordano services is a major expedition, very time consuming, in the area in which I live, we have no charging points, not good for a country looking at cutting down on emissions, if I were to get another car, it would have to be small to be able to park in the lane, sadly, the range of a Smart just doesn't make it worthwhile, sorry, I have to carry on polluting with my dirty diesel. Useful information on your videos though
Renault Zoe?
I think Ecotricity's connection fee should be capped at £3 a day - otherwise in effect you're paying around 40p a kWh for electricity.
by the way - as the new leaf has been launched just noticed the price on the current model 30kw non flex tekna model come down to £23,290 - bargain? Or wait for the new model?
How did you manage to get a Leaf for £175 a month with no deposit? You think I could get a 30kw Tekna model for around £200 a month with no deposit?
Mines an acenta. Try carwow.
mark snoopyakabigbird I was curious about that too. If the buyer is going to have such a long commute will that monthly fee still apply?
Great video on the practicalities around long trips in our Gen II cars. People will laugh when they've driving 200 mile range EV's someday, but oh well. (And screw the complainers...)
It's funny some of the comments you get regarding the time spent aspects lol....I have just done a very Similar Journey from Liverpool to Leicestershire and back in a Toyota Auris 2Ltr Diesel and got 49.7MPG overall ☺the funniest part was this involved almost 50 miles of being stuck at below 50 mph due to roadworks and Average speed cameras back and front on M62 and M6 eventually managed to do 70+ on the A and 60 on the B Rds When I checked the trip on Sat Nav overall 30Mph average speed 😂I was forced to stop at a Service Station twice once due to a turned over van on M6 with standing traffic for 17 Miles so proffered to sit it out at the Service's Flask of tea butty time out LOL...So I can fully support EVs being a very Worthwhile alternative...It would be a lot better if they could improve the amount of Charging points and in the UK put them in a solar panel shelter for bad weather day's.....Great Video mate and good explanations 👍👍👍👍👍
Steve Jones agreed agreed agreed.
So you were doing 55mph (ish) on the outward journey, and 70mph(ish) on the homeward leg?Would travelling at 70mph outward saved/cost you time at the charger?
Works out even. Get there quicker but spend more time charging. Main difference is you spend less time driving and more stretching your legs.
Good man. My daily commute is only about 15 miles return, so my 2011 10 bar Leaf still suits. Like you, I can't imagine having a triple figure commute.
Interesting though isn't it. In the next gen Leaf, you could potentially manage it with only 1 stop, costing you only the 3 quid connection and the KWh used (with it hopefully being more efficent)
So the bigger the range, the cheaper it costs.
Only downside of course is due to the car being new, I guess we will find out how much more a month it'll cost.
I know for sure that driving an EV for me would be more expensive than my ICE just because I bought my ICE outright 7 years ago costing £1200 lol.
But that could be said for any car on finance.
Not necessarily. How much would you spend on fuel if you did 15k a year? 15k costs me £225. The car costs me £2100 a year. So all fuel, car and repairs etc (new tyres and brakes too) is £2325 a year.
Electric Leaf Man Quick reply!
I only do 6k-7k a year. My car achieves 48-50mpg and it hasn't cost me anything apart from 2 tyres, an exaust, and of course the usual service, MOT, tax, insurance.
Puts me at about £100 a month if nothing requires being done on it *fingers crossed*
I need a safer car though and an EV is going to be my next. It's just when to make the jump.
To go PCP or get a loan to buy used and then sell after 4-5 years. Unsure about that at the moment.
So if you did my mileage a new EV car would only cost about £600 more due to low running costs.
Electric Leaf Man Yeah haha. Makes me wish I did more mileage to counteract the cost of it.
Still have no idea what they are going to do about road tax in the future either.
Hoping by the end of this year, I will be £100 better off a month because of remortgaging so...
Still, even with the shadow of the new car and the reduction of volumes, still can't get a great deal on a 30kwh Tekna yet
IRC it would be quicker to go a solid 70 on the first leg, even though you'd spend longer charging and it would cost slightly more, but the charge rate is faster than the discharge rate so the total time would be less.
And if the chargers were not online and I had to go to the next I wouldn't have managed it. Plus I never went into the slow charging % anyway.
Hi! I have just bought a used Leaf following watching your channel. I've tried to message you but it keeps failing!
You've got yours disabled so I can't message you? You can post your email if you like?
Can you tow a trailer with a tesla or Nissan Leaf?
I am assuming so much better than a CVt to gearbox
how do I send a DM about the Leaf Ambassador?
Click on my channel homepage, then 'About'. There's a button saying Send message there.
a quick question (not aimed at you mate :)) but considering ALL evs apart from the NV220 and the new BYD London buses :) why don't all the charging points have shrouds at least over the front of the bonnet or boot depending on charge points as NO car would impede the cover??? this should be a NO brainer for the ecotricty etc chargers?
Don't need one, the plugs are fine outside. The Leaf is sort of covered with the flap.
Electric Leaf Man I should have explained better ;) the shrouded area over the vehicle from the charger to save you getting a bit less wet ;)
Google fastned, not in uk (yet) but that's what they should look like.
If you are a real tightwad (like me, ) would it not be tempting to just do one charge at your destination?
Yes. If they had one.
Great videos. I'm using a 24kW LEAF and would like some tips for motorway driving. You seem to have the skills. I drove from East Yorkshire to Bristol last weekend and found that I had to drive at 50/55mph to even get 60ish miles of range on motorways. Driving like a nun. Tyres pumped to 40psi. Stopped 5 times. 7.5 hours. Is that normal in your opinion?
I'd expect at this time of the year around 70 miles in the Leaf24. Use the speed limiter (not cruise control) and don't accelerate going up hill. Eco mode of course. Park yourself behind a coach if poss and follow them.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Thank you. Yes. ECO mode all the time for longer journeys. I've never used the limiter. I'll give it a go next time. (I tried the cruise control and it makes things worse as you seem to suggest). I also tried to park behind HGV, but they went too quickly for me. It was freezing cold of course and had a full car load, but still. The GOM started out with over 30 miles spare over the projected distance after a charge, but ended up being very tight towards the end and closer to the destination. I had to go slower and slower to be sure of arriving. I still do have a full battery health as well, so not sure why my range is so poor. I'm generally stopping between 50 and 60 miles to avoid arriving completely empty of course... Should've got a 30kWh I think!
Hi, I've found your videos on leaf ownership really interesting and have spurred me on to considering buying my own. We're taking one on a family test drive on Monday! You make a great leaf ambassador, would be happy to support you, send me the link!
Pm me and I'll send you the link. Cheers.
Electric Leaf Man Hi, I think I'm being a bit obtuse - how do you send a PM?!
Go to my channel homepage and click 'About'. Then send message.
I wanted to buy Leaf. But now... I've had a small crash today, so I might not be able to afford insurance on a Leaf anymore:( will see.
Your videos are great, interesting & informative I’m hoping to get a 40kWh Leaf when my current Motability contract expires. The old Leaf was on Motability but at the moment Leaf 2.0 isn’t on the scheme. Would you be my Leaf Ambassador? Thanks Dan
Nissan no longer doing it.
Electric Leaf Man oh that’s a shame sounded like a great idea
Haha Tesla people don’t wave, come to think no Leafs notice me waving either. I drive an iMiEV(only saw 1 this year and they waved like crazy). Love your accent, trying it out on my 10mth old. I live in Winnipeg.
Just to clarify ELM - do you get the bonus on used Leafs or just new ones? I'll bear it in mind when/if I finally take the plunge but I'll be buying used.
Both.
Do you think this car is worth buying for daily commute? I do about 140-170KM daily. I do have charger at work and home.
Mostly highway driving.
or atleast 50,000KM/year good buy for this car?
suki san you’ll need to charge in winter but if you can charge at work it’ll save you a fortune in fuel.
Done the same charging place myself on the way to Middlesbrough, But ccs, So far i have it at 50% charges with no problem.
were you driving the 2018 LEaf
Once there are charging stations everywhere, you would just drive to the venue or jobsite, charge there while you are doing your thing or working, then it would be fully charged for an uneventful ride home with no charge stops. The problem is not the range, it's the infrastructure.
Hi mate was this in the 24kwh or the 30kwh I am thinking about getting one and will have to do 250 trip down south every 3 months or so.
30kwh
As battery range improves up to 200 a mile range, the need to stop in between to charge will decrease. You could do a round trip with ease.
Whats this ambassador thing? I can't direct message you anymore.
James Rushworth Doesn’t exist anymore.
Nearly 4 hours on your working week (assuming a 5 day week)!
Why do you think the leaf over estimates the added range when charging during a trip. Your app said you got 12KWh which is 40% and the Leaf said you got 43% added. I know this is less than 10% inaccuracy but if you are trying to stretch you low range electric car to go close to twice its range with only one charge in the middle this can be a real problem. This inaccuracy caused the one time I ran out of charge in my leaf in the last 2 years, and I was only 1/2 mile from the next charger.
The app is a minute behind. The car knows it's charge.
When I charge over night to 100% it is always very accurate. But if I every drop to a low enough charge that I can add more than 50% in a short period of time it seems to get the calculations wrong. If you divide the amount of energy the charger put in the car by the amount of range the car said it got added in miles the numbers will not match up. So If you add 10KWh it will say you got 50 miles of range added which is 5 miles per KWh, way higher than my average efficiency. Have you ever done this calculation after a big charge (not one that charged all the way back to 100%) to see what efficiency it is assuming you are getting on that fresh energy that was just added to the battery.
By the way I love my leaf and am looking forward to my Model 3 in March. So I am not trying to say anything bad about electric cars I am just wondering why Nissan is not being more accurate with the range estimator.
I always go off my % not the Guess-o-meter.
The calculations will be the same with the % gauge. If you add 10KWh to a 2017 leaf it will show an addition of 35%(or more) added when it should only show 33% (30KWh battery / 10KWh). I think this is such a low percentage of inaccuracy that people might not care. But this make it dangerous to go off the dash gauges if you are driving 93% of your range one way then charging to 98% and driving back home, because you might actually only have a 92% full battery.
Have you ever actually looked at the gauges this close after a big charge.
Here is another video charging a leaf showing the same problem th-cam.com/video/6d7qG3NUpys/w-d-xo.html&app=desktop
The charger said it gave him a little over 7.7KWh of energy. And the car told him his battery was increased by 35% charge. 7.7KWh in a 2017 leaf is 26% not 35%.
sorry I got the math flipped 10KWh/30KWh is 33%
Hi mate,sorry I didn't get your name ,but two things that I can see as to why I think E V s are not ready for most computers, firstly time is money for me and 45 minutes twice daily would cost me considerably ,secondly imagine doing that trip with kids in car ? It's bad enough when you don't have to stop for fuel ! I can see good points too ,but they a ling way off ready for me ! BUT no doubt that they'll get there cheers Steve
Commuters I mean ! Oops lol 😱
You priced how much it would cost in petrol or diesel but the E mode would have cost more as well as you didn't include the initial charge when you started which would be another £5
I did. It costs me £1.35 for a full charge at home.
Hi Electric Leaf Man
I would like to make you my Nissan Leaf ambassador. Your videos are a great way of educating the general public on electric vehicles.
After watching your videos I have bought a 2014 leaf tekna 😁👍
When did you get it? The referral needs to be done before purchase ideally.
Electric Leaf Man
Get the Leaf on Tuesday
Send me a private message and I'll send you the details. You just need the VIN of your car.
i still dont fully understand the issue on big trip using this chademo.. ev force you to dont exceed speed limit.. so keep me safer (i tend to go fast) my back hurt a lot after 2-3 hours of driving.. you take 30 minutes brake after every 2 hours of driving.... for an holiday looks fine to me...
My Leaf has lost about 30 miles range since it was new. But my commute is only 41 miles round trip, so it is not a problem so far. I do not have range anxiety because I do the same trip every day and always have about 12 miles left on the GOM when I get home. I often wonder if videos like this one help or hurt the image of electric cars. It seems to promote the idea of range anxiety as a major issue. While any EV driver knows better, persons who have not driven one might get the idea that range is all EV owners think about. The truth is, i think about range far less than an ICE driver thinks about filling his car with gas.
Let's be honest, it is an issue though. It's a significant compromise over an ICE car which for me is offset by the money saving. I do 15,000 miles a year in the Leaf (min) and tomorrow I'm going on a 250 mile journey. It's more difficult in an EV right now than an ICE. These videos are to try an answer the most common reason people don't look for one, range. Let's not kid ourselves though, they're not quite ready for most people as an only car. I wouldn't have one if I didn't have another car in the house to use when I need.
Electric Leaf Man I've been considering a 30 kW Leaf for a 95 mile commute in north Wales, the car will comfortably do the journey but leaves little left for evening run about driving. My other option would be a Zoe 40 kW. Whichever I choose my next car will be electric. Enjoyed your TH-cam blogs and find them to be both informative and entertaining!!
You are right of course. It is an issue. But the real issue is people do not like change. So they use range as an excuse to justify their decision that EVs are an evil liberal plot. But as the price of fuel rises those issues seem to become less important and changing to an EV starts to look better and better. Thus, in Europe where gasoline is expensive EVs are becoming common, where as in the US where gasoline is still $2 per gallon EV driver are tree hugging crazy people. (like me)
usaverageguy How old is your leaf to have lost 30 mile range?
I think the range thing can worry some folk unnecessarily. I have had my Leaf three years and I know just what it is capable of. It is a bit like driving with a half size fuel tank! Most people are creatures of habit and my weekly driving pattern changes little. You get to know your longest runs and so range anxiety is not a problem. At the moment though, things can get "Interesting" when you venture a distance. It can be a challenge of how you'll get back. I carry spare cable and sometimes charge overnight at helpful B&Bs. I don't like charge "Pumps"... When it's raining you get wet and when the sun's out it's very difficult to read them and I need a youngun to teach me how to scan a code!
Also make sure your ap. has a current credit card registered in the settings. Last month on the A55 one of the two pumps were out of use and the other took two telephone calls. The coffee was also the most expensive rubbish I've ever had! Never the less, I love my Leaf..... Ugly but beautiful :)
Hi could you also send me a link I am also Intrested in getting one
Little late for that.
@@ElectricVehicleMan lol why is that
@@ElectricVehicleMan also was 45 mins for both charging stops or each stop thanks amazing video
@@abcars2856 Video is nearly 4 years old. Nissan stopped years ago.
Does the old 30Kwh leaf suffer from Rapidgate ? I only ask as I'm considering one
Not really.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Does the battery have cooling/heating management then, or is it a case of something else comes into play? Also, another quick question ( although I suspect not that quick, sorry ! ) does the 2018 Leaf really suffer from rapid gate or is it people trying to make it fail by driving like twonks ?
No leaf has batt management. In the 30 the batt gets hot but only after 3-5 rapids (many variables). The 40 has 25% more energy in the same space so it’s like increasing the water temp in your radiators, the heat builds up quicker. You should get at least 250miles in the 40 before you might hit a slow charge, less chance in colder months of course.
Fascinating comments. Good to get an unbiased educated view
The whole thing would have been much easier had there been some sort of charging available at your destination.
Where in Yorkshire u from
It's not particularly cheap to use those services, but to me the main benefit of EVs are not the cost savings but more just how much better they are for day to day use. Engines are better for "emotional" cars, but eMotors do the job very well for everything else.