@@banegas0411It's black "hole" a black whole would be the opposite now wouldn't it? Besides some get unnatural gifts from the warp so it can happen in this universe. Some of them can best Magnus even.
Yajirobe has a power level of 900something. He is notably twice as strong as Goku was when he and Piccolo faught Raditz. Let this sink in for a moment: for most of Dragonball and the whole gap between Dragonball and Dragonball Z Yajirobe was the strongest being in the series.
They are bullshit. It also feeds into the stupid that people keep trotting out when it comes to next villains. Piccolo could blow up a moon. Vegeta and Freezer could both destroy a planet. Cell a solar system. Boo the universe. Any one else see something wrong with this scaling? It's the same problem Buffy the Vampire Slayer ran into. If every BBEG is a world ending event you can't really raise the stakes any further. And it gets tedious real quick. Bringing it back to 40K, the whole a custodies is better than everything including a Norn Emissary because... Humans ultimate lifeform apparently?
@@deltatea3192It makes perfect sense and there's nothing wrong with it.Next opponent is stronger,so they can do more impressive things,seems simple enough
Power scaling depends on the roll of a dice as TTS Warhammer Fantasy Special Episode had demonstrated with the Gorger Lord/Custodisi being beaten by a band of mortal misfits despite he was stronger than the whole world of Warhammer Fantasy.
Wow! Cool your heels there. A custodian is only stronger than 99.999% of Warhammer Fantasy. Things like the slan, Be'lakor, The Great Horned Rat, Teclis etc. exist.
@maltheri9833 He did not have any of his gear. One of the mortals was a mage. They were quite formidable, and very lucky. Plus this particular custode was kind of a moron. The series is a comedy after all.
@maltheri9833 All it took was rolling a 10 like 15 times in a row to supercharge Ulrich's Fury and boost the damage way past the Custodian's damage threshold, and even then it wasn't that what defeated him (he was defeated by having low Willpower because he's based on one of the 3 inept Fapstodes that are just comic relief)
Custodes when dealing with Space Marines and Thunder Warriors: "We erased those brutes easily!" Custodes when dealing with Eldar Harlequins: "Help! The clowns jump and move weird!"
They had the element of surprised when they massacred the Thunder Warriors The Custodes did have artillery support while not every Thunder Warrior had a gun
Inconsistent lore moments happen. Custodes go from losing to harlequins, gal vorbak, world eaters, tsons, etc but on the other hand can beat norns, swarmlords, marines, thunder warriors, etc. The power of most things in 40k are wildly varying.
Tzeentch takes control of Magnus and turns him into a magic Nuke, blowing him up. Vulkan is permanently killed, the Talisman destroyed, the Golden Throne destroyed and the Emperor is gravely wounded Daemons burst out of the rift within the Imperial palace. The Emperor's anti-warp field shrinks to only cover Eternity Gate Daemons kill Sigismund, Fafnir Rahn, Loken, Dorn, Sanginius and Khan Horus and the Daemons attack the wounded Emperor, killing him Tzeentch empowers Ahriman so he can slaughter the Space Wolves
I always liked the internal thought process of the Custodians Guarding G Man when he loses his shit and wrecks shop. And when they war game taking him down and the only time they guarantee success is just out and out ambushing him with zero reason and 100% surprise
I wonder if Alucard can kill a primarch... I don't think he would have problems with anything less, considering the fact that he can use guns and must be killed like 3 millions times to actually die, but it seems like he would have to get some heavy wh40k weaponry to even have a chance to blast through primarchs armour... Oh, and there is also a version of him from the end of hellsing ultimate, at which point he just can't be killed by weapons, but I think someone like Emperor could still destroy his soul/essence/concept.
Here's some to consider: What if all of the Primarchs (save Alpharius because he landed on Terra) somehow died before the Imperium discovered them? (Assume that Vulkan was never found by the Imperium, maybe he was lost in the Warp, maybe the DE got a hold of him, maybe he’s in Trazyn’s galleries, etc). The important thing is, what if no Primarchs? If any one Loyalist and Traitor Primarch switched sides for the Horus Heresy, who would you choose for the best outcome for either the Loyalists, or the Traitors? What if the Silent King never got rid of his Command Protocols and took (almost) all the Necrons with him out of the galaxy to perhaps find a new and better one and come across the Tyranids? What if the Great Crusade had all the Primarchs and none turned Traitor, but there were no Astartes? What if the Beast Orks succeeded in defeating the Imperium? What if the Raptor Project succeeded/was never sabotaged? How would each Heresy/Crusade-era Primarch and Legion fare against the modern Tau Empire?
The Great Crusade is much slower. When the Heresy hits the Traitor/Chaos forces are much more powerful and numerous. Alpharius becomes the Warmaster of Chaos and kills the Emperor. Chaos wins The Beast Orks simply get slaughtered by the Daemons as they are ill-equipped tp fight them plus the mass slaughter of Humanity greatly empowers Chaos. More humans join Chaos
To give either side a big boost, ferrus to traitors(horus directly says ferrus would have allowed them to win and do so with relative ease in addition to improving moral of fulgrim and potentially other chaos primarchs), or perturabo to loyalists which is good for them purely because it fucks over the traitors so bad as only mortarion(and sometimes horus) can do basic tactics by the siege if they get there.
Counter point against the power of Custodes Vs Primarch. A counter point named Angron. An angry Angron without power armor yet, rushing at the Emperor. One Custodes tried to oppose him and was pulverized like a child by a train.
Im not a fan of the Tau but it's crazy to think that Fire Warriors trade one to one with your typical guardsmen. They wear full body armor that acts as decent protection against lasgun fire and their carbines can one shot guardsmen, and they have targeting assist in their helmets.
Yeah, I have exactly the same opinion. At range, I would gave three to four guardsmen for a Tau. At close combat, maybe one to one, the ferocity of the guardrsman compensating for the armor and the squishy tau having a disadvantage over the guardsman. Overall, I would give two or three guardsman killed for a Fire cast warrior.
@@alpharius4434Plus we can guess that Tau commanders do not treat their troops as canon fodder and emphasize real battlefield tactics in order to minimize their losses, instead of the usual Imperial Guard human wave that fire warriors would be easily able to cut down.
@@t.m.t3215 i think the Imperial guard using human wave tactics exclusively is a misconception. It depends on the regiment's purpose or combat doctrine, whoever's in command and the circumstances of the battle. The guard will use anything from guerilla tactics, to trench warfare tactics, to attrition warfare to blitzkrieg to relying on bombardments, etc. That being said the Tau do treat their soldiers as valuable, whereas plenty of Imperial commanders would only care about victory regardless of the death toll on their own forces. Plus the use of spy drones, shield drones, sniper drones and marker lights give the Tau an even greater tactical advantage, but the video was talking about powerscaling for individual warriors
@@KandyKane999 Wholesome on the lore but on community? Its easier to say that shit often happens than wholesome moments. Just an example the hardcore gatekeeper couldnt even consider MK as one of the legit lore giver for those who wants to get in the fandom.
@@aenarioncourts9516 Oh, I agree that he probably isn't a "legit lore" guy, according to most people, but he is quite passionate about the subject and that is hard to find. He does his research, too, and I've never really caught him out on anything. I like his cheeky approach and attitude and don't demand 100% accuracy from a guy that's in it to entertain. And I'll say again that I don't recall him being terribly wrong about something.
It works by being inconsistent and wonky as fuck I still remember harlequins butchering custodes or a world eater punching through one hell a terminator got done in by a thousand normal peasants with melee weapons
Don't forget, plot armor and Mary Suedom both play a significant role in power scaling. In some lore instances, Astartes are just "regular" superhuman warriors and can probably deadlift about 3-5 tons depending on the Marine in question. In the case of say, Calgar, he can lift a frakking Necron Pylon that weighs hundreds of tons like it's a toy.
I like the idea of a 9 Custodian, 1 Sister vs Magnus battle, where Magnus is fighting for his life vs the 3 of 4 melee Custodians and the 5 or 6 ranged Custodians, while the Sister just chills and eats popcorn from the sideline, letting her blankness do all the work
tbf, malcador could still use psyker powers around one or two sisters, and magnus melted him- so maybe a few more sisters, but same deal there's a cool scene in "the crimson king" where a group sent by malcador find magnus' belligerent shard and the way he attempts to deal with the sister of silence in the group is by mind controlling a servitor controlling a turret and aiming it at the sister (cant remmeber if he pulls it of or if menkaura intervenes by then). would be curious to see how magnus deals with blanks in a pro-thousand sons book (he's not allowed to use braincells when he's the antagonist)
I mean how are they even going to fight the angel, if he decides to fight like how he fought Horus, just fly up and swoop down, that's 1 custodian dead, do it 20 times and all of them are dead 😂 Unless they somehow jump him and clip his wings/disable his warp power that he uses to fly... But with his future sight yeah not happening
And he's a considerable psyker, so he could just dodge the shots from their spears and just rain smites down on them, and never need to risk melee at all. And Custodians don't have a hard counter to psychic assault if they're not teamed with the Sisters of Silence...
@@SymbioteMulleti dont know if his foresight works exactly like that. I'm guessing you're thinking like this because of how he acted during the Siege of Terra? Where he was flying around dodging anti-air like it was nothing, not evening dodging on purpose. His Blood Angels were getting nervous because he was putting himself in danger. He also knew he'd beat Angron, Ka’Bhanda, and wouldn't die during any of his feats during the Siege. Only reason he did all this was because he knew that he was fated to die to Horus on the Vengeful Spirit, not to Danny the Daemon firing his cum-filled bazooka. Not sure if it would work like that on a day to day basis, like Konrad Curzes’ works.
I generally think of it as 10 gangers to a guardsman, 10 guardsmen to a Sororitas, 10 Sororitas to a marine, 10 marines to a custodian. With things like Arbites/ Scions/ voidsman etc worth about 5 guardsmen.
Wouldn’t pdf be more akin to the national guard while guardsmen are the actual military. I feel like guardsmen being special forces would be a bit crazy because of how many guardsmen exist. Furthermore, pdf are pretty much just for defense (like the national guard) while guardsmen attack and defend (like the military)
@@goldenfiberwheat238no but you can just use differently colored cadians for well off pdf regiments because pre fall cadia created billions of guardsmen equipment which was also given or sold to other regiments and pdfs
I already have that blue balled model as a bunch of us who bought the Big E got access to the unreleased models as way of thankyou. It's a beautiful and really fits the Raven Daddy.
@@flabbergaster1011 In the book Betrayer, when the emperor goes to Angron for the first time, the text in question: Angron caught the Custodes' arm in one hand, snapping it like a dry twig. The golden warrior barely had time to register the pain before Angron drove his fist into the Custodes' helmet, caving it in with a single punch. Blood and brain matter sprayed as the Custodes fell, lifeless, to the ground. Another Custodes charged, his guardian spear aimed at Angron's heart. Angron roared, grabbing the spear mid-thrust and yanking the warrior towards him. With a savage twist, he broke the Custodes' neck and tossed the corpse aside like a ragdoll.
tossed the corpse aside like a ragdoll. fck me, angron is a beast; After reading this, I was even more impressed by the beating he took from Sanguinius
Angron is a monument of pure brute strength, I think unnamed custodes losing to him doesn't underplay the strength of a custodes, he's just that strong, plus being their first meeting, the custodes had no plan or prep to beat him
When it comes to power scaling, I really like, the quote from Godblight: "Most impressive of all was Stratarchis Tribune Actuarius Maldovar Colquan and his Custodians, their great height made yet more imposing by their tall, conical helms. They included three Allarus Terminators, five Wardens and two squads of five Custodians of lesser rank. Lesser was a subjective term, for every one of them was the match of a hundred mortal men, or a dozen Space Marines. They were second only to Guilliman himself in might. They could, together, perhaps beat him. It was rare so many fought in a single host, even in Fleet Primus, where their numbers were the greatest." Custodes equal to 12 Space Marines, and around 19 Custodes maybe beat the primarch. Maybe.
Yeah, also counting that custodians had 3 terminators and 5 wardens, which are more then average custodian, so, for average custodians it would probably be more
I asked chat gpt and it said one custodian guard in terminator armour vs. 1,000 primaris in terminator would come out to the custodian taking out about 200-300 before ultimately dying but then again it would be clad in the special custodes terminator armour
I would argue that the PDF are not regular armies, they are conscripts, in a total war they hold territory just like in 40K, they get the worst equipment and worst training but the guard is the actual army, they go out and conquer territory, they are a mobile force with the equipment, training and doctrine to fight and win on foreign soil. The elite of the guard that you told about those are the actual navy SEALS or other elite. SEALS go behind the line and do important objectives that cant be done regularly, the army/guard fights the normal battles.
There is still mystery around the primarchs innate warp powers and their latent abilities. What if every primarch has the potential to become some sort of minor warp god like Corvus Corax
Now imagine Custodian Warderns or even better, Allarus Custodians, which are actual moving fortresses, damn those dudes slap. I just love how absurdly OP Custodes are
Some real awesome/bizarre Power Scaling ive seen is on the concept of a Warhammer 40K / Lensmen Crossover, regarding The Unit with someone asserting that "The Unit could solo the entire Pre-Fall Eldar Empire." In regards to its/their psychic power.
I once watched a video where a guy was comparing stuff from other franchises to 40k. He was talking about Omni man and after listing everything he could do, he’s like “yeah he could probably take down 3 or 4 custodes but anymore than that and he’d die” right after saying he can move faster than the speed of light and showing a clip from the show where he destroys a whole planet spanning civilization in less than a minute. Like ???
New magor mini. Im guessing Horus. Im hoping for models of the four chaos gods. And if they arent on your radar, majorkill i would do a full "shut up amd take my mony" moment for four detailed chaos gods to display with my trator primarchs(once i finally have a fulgrim to complete the set that is)
His audience only includes a gal. Majorkill is a capitalist so maybe send market research guaranteeing a market demand enough to turn a profit and I'm sure the money will talk.
A video about, what if there were no loyalist elements in the traitor legions ,this would also count for omegon and magnus. So there would be no need for the culling at isthvaan and weakening of the traitor forces.. this would be very intresting to see what all the effects would be on the succes of the heresy.
It also comes down to tactics and equipment. 20 space marines urban environment could probably do more damage than in an open field. Also, if they had air support then it's different. Remember when several custodes killed a shit ton of nids because they were all on a cliff or something. But in an open field, those custodes would've gotten swarmed. I think in general, yeah about 20 guardsmen vs a space marine
i know it's an outlier but i would have loved to hear you mention The Garantine from the book Nemesis, where he ran around the Sons of Horus space marine and killed him.
There is a story about 5 Iron Hands puting down a rion in some prison moon, and the final score is milion and a half not so armed humans dead to 0 iron hands dead, but they were not armed well (or barely)
I know the raid on the Imperial palace lives in infamy but from the way both sides are consistently described in lore I feel the Harlequins are the closests to Custodes in terms of standard unit power level. You've got the Eldar Guardians which IIRC are still unmodified Eldar just exceedingly well trained and can take Astartes but the Harlequin's ARE mysteriously modified and basically all the Eldar fear/respect them. Feel it should be like a 3 to 1 for bog standard players vs custodes, but lots of factors could swing it higher or lower.
My notes one the power scaling: Nid scaling is basically as many as needed (Baring author favoritism) as they make bio forms suited to a task. And I would say a rank above custodes on a 1 to 1 scale is huge fuck off robots. Knights, most Dreadys, Kastellan robots, Necron Destroyer. The things that are basically walking weapons platforms that are armed enough to kill whole squads without issue.
Don’t believe everything you hear. Guardsmen are not tier 1 operators. Knowing the lore of them and knowing about modern spec ops units. You’ll then know they aren’t comparable and anybody who says that shit is just talking because they think it makes the guardsman sound tougher.
I was always under the impression that it took about 700 guardsmen to kill 1 space marine. I remember hearing about the siege of vraks and how impressive it was that guards men were trading at a ratio of 400 to one. 400 to 1 sure sounds bad until you remember that it takes about 1000 of the imperiums finest recruits to make 1 of them.
I think the weirdest one for me is the Sisters of Silence and where they land. They are known for being able to keep up with Custodes even though they arent enhanced (i think, its tough remembering who is roided up and who isnt in the imperium) and i doubt being blanks will make any difference. If they can keep up just being really well trained then it doesnt make sense that Chaos marines would struggle. Then again im no imperium player so i may just be mixing up facts.
A video on What If? Fulgrim and Jaghatai had landed on the other's planet as an infant! The lore says they were switched, but how did that impact said lore?
Think the grey knights deserve an mention. They are the best of the best of the astartes AND they are psychers. Some of them even have relic weapons. Id since they have the psycher shenanigans i think they are the sacriest force around. Even if they get overpowered they can grab someone - teleport to the warp and maroon them there. Like goddamn, its vs someone with noclip on
The Imperial Guard is not like seal team 6, There are parts of the guard that might be similar to seal team but the vast majority are closer to the Marine Corp or Army
I think the scaling of 40k works best in a graphical format on a quadrant rather than a line, because there are at least 2 factors; Raw Stats and Skill. We can even say there is a 3rd axis of Equipment specialization that makes them better against certain types of enemies. Sufficient amounts of any of the three can make up for a weakness in the others to a certain extent, but against an opponent with an equal stats, skill level, or equipment, the deficit in the others will cause a massive loss ratio. We see that when comparing the Custodes to Space Marines. The skill is close-ish, but the stats and the equipment are just so far below a Custodian that it isn't a fight. This applies even more against the other races. T'au being a big one. Raw stats are extremely low, but skill and equipment are so high that unless the Space Marine can negate one or the other, (melee combat range or vast amounts of experience fighting T'au), the stats dont matter.
I have one lore mechanic related question. How is it decided how the general story/setting/lore progresses? I can't imagine that if author XYZ decides that he think it would be cool to bring back the second legion and its primarch just because he has a fancy story in his mind, that's how the new canon develops. I know it's a rather technical question but I always wondered how it came that The Lion returned and not The Kahn or anyone else. Would be very interesting to see a video about that (at least for me) or if people here know the answer if you could answer my question. I really hope that it's not GW rolling dice in their board meetings though.
I'm on the same page for the squad of 10 being a challenge for the loner warrior primarchs like the Lion and Russ and Corvax. A Squad of 10 Custodian is greater than the sum of its parts.
i wonder how they would try to deal with corax- or how most would: from what i've heard, the lion has amazing instincts; sanguinius and kurze's future sights would help them a lot; magnus, as well as having future sight, could just turn the atmosphere into sulphur dioxide or something worse whilst making himself intangible. how would the others do- because corax's invisibity bypasses any involvement with light (he can still see himself) does it bypass the whole EM spectrum, including infrared, so any tech oriented primarch wouldnt be able to use any heat sensors?
All I can think of is "Gaunt and his ghosts killed 3 chaos marines" lol and one of the inquisitors killing a chaos marine on some steps, I can't remember which one it was. :P
What about primarchs vs mechs and tanks? Like how durable are primarchs? Like a primarch vs. a knight or a riptide? I know Fulgrim survived getting shot in the head from a sniper and even regenerated from it, but if he took a tau railgun, he'll pop right?
@10:40 - Lorgar was quite weak martially speaking, he admitted he was more of a thinker than fighter. During the the battle of istvaan V, Lorgar in his normal state had his bum handed to him by Corax, chatter at the time revealed that neither expected Lorgar to win against a battle focussed Primarch. So perhaps what i'm saying is, 10-20 Custodes is more than enough against Lorgar, but what about the rest?
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30k/40k powerscaling: …..
Authors: I made it the fuck up for the hype moment.
Too many chefs in the kitchen and even worse they aren't collaborating.
@@deltatea3192could be interesting irl kitchen 😅
writer: a highly trained guardsmen wiped a squad of marines in a blaze of glory
other writer: space marine made star into black whole with finger
Applies to every franchise that heavily relies on statements. *cough* heisei godzilla *cough*
@@banegas0411It's black "hole" a black whole would be the opposite now wouldn't it? Besides some get unnatural gifts from the warp so it can happen in this universe. Some of them can best Magnus even.
Yoooooo legally distinct Corvus
Looks like it’s gonna be his warp god form maybe
God emperor do I hope so
Yeah raven daddy
Exxxxxxactly. 😇
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"POWER LEVELS ARE BULLSHIT!" - Abridged Vegeta
Yajirobe has a power level of 900something. He is notably twice as strong as Goku was when he and Piccolo faught Raditz. Let this sink in for a moment: for most of Dragonball and the whole gap between Dragonball and Dragonball Z Yajirobe was the strongest being in the series.
They are bullshit. It also feeds into the stupid that people keep trotting out when it comes to next villains. Piccolo could blow up a moon. Vegeta and Freezer could both destroy a planet. Cell a solar system. Boo the universe. Any one else see something wrong with this scaling?
It's the same problem Buffy the Vampire Slayer ran into. If every BBEG is a world ending event you can't really raise the stakes any further. And it gets tedious real quick.
Bringing it back to 40K, the whole a custodies is better than everything including a Norn Emissary because... Humans ultimate lifeform apparently?
@@henrychurch6062No,yajirobe grew stronger as he trained,like every characther does.
@@deltatea3192It makes perfect sense and there's nothing wrong with it.Next opponent is stronger,so they can do more impressive things,seems simple enough
VAGEEEEEEEEETAA. VAGEEEEEEETAA
Those raven wings 😂 you shouldn't have bothered with a silhouette at all
I can already tell, that model is Corvus Corax isn't it?
Yes. I got it when the big offer for being a Big E buyer.
Raven raven, I think that was the joke.
it's the legally safe look-alike, the Scary Crow
I had the same thought 😂
It is Birdy McBirdface
Power scaling depends on the roll of a dice as TTS Warhammer Fantasy Special Episode had demonstrated with the Gorger Lord/Custodisi being beaten by a band of mortal misfits despite he was stronger than the whole world of Warhammer Fantasy.
Wow! Cool your heels there. A custodian is only stronger than 99.999% of Warhammer Fantasy. Things like the slan, Be'lakor, The Great Horned Rat, Teclis etc. exist.
@maltheri9833 custodes are not 13 feet...
@maltheri9833 He did not have any of his gear. One of the mortals was a mage. They were quite formidable, and very lucky. Plus this particular custode was kind of a moron. The series is a comedy after all.
@maltheri9833 All it took was rolling a 10 like 15 times in a row to supercharge Ulrich's Fury and boost the damage way past the Custodian's damage threshold, and even then it wasn't that what defeated him (he was defeated by having low Willpower because he's based on one of the 3 inept Fapstodes that are just comic relief)
Custodes when dealing with Space Marines and Thunder Warriors: "We erased those brutes easily!"
Custodes when dealing with Eldar Harlequins: "Help! The clowns jump and move weird!"
They had the element of surprised when they massacred the Thunder Warriors
The Custodes did have artillery support while not every Thunder Warrior had a gun
@@christiandauz3742 Well after that Thunder Warriors had a rematch and this time they were prepared. Yet once again they loose badly
Inconsistent lore moments happen. Custodes go from losing to harlequins, gal vorbak, world eaters, tsons, etc but on the other hand can beat norns, swarmlords, marines, thunder warriors, etc. The power of most things in 40k are wildly varying.
@@Алексей545-т6бNot that badly. They gave the Custodians a solid run for their money and basically attacked the Imperial Palace wanting to die.
@@Алексей545-т6бAnd it was only Valdor and the future Dark Angels that time too, no additional Custodes were necessary.
“How many Raditzs is one Custode?”
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! The other DBZA comments were great, but I think this one takes the crown! 😂
Raditzs would squad wipe the custodies
@@DanielMontgomery-l2z to be fair, even Krillin would. He is the strongest human in DB universe xD.
@@undeadf picolo destroy the moon while weaker than raditz
@@hamsterammeo7898 so we know the moon has a power level less than 1,500
The new mini:
"Where's that bald priest brother of mine hiding...."
A video on if magnus took the emperors replacement legion would be dope. Comment, and repost until it is done
Tzeentch takes control of Magnus and turns him into a magic Nuke, blowing him up.
Vulkan is permanently killed, the Talisman destroyed, the Golden Throne destroyed and the Emperor is gravely wounded
Daemons burst out of the rift within the Imperial palace. The Emperor's anti-warp field shrinks to only cover Eternity Gate
Daemons kill Sigismund, Fafnir Rahn, Loken, Dorn, Sanginius and Khan
Horus and the Daemons attack the wounded Emperor, killing him
Tzeentch empowers Ahriman so he can slaughter the Space Wolves
@christiandauz3742 Tzeentch 100% won't end the game.
”All I'm surrounded by are dead men." Is still my favorite phrase.
"Fear and dead men" Don't leave out the fear! Fantastic reference though.
I always liked the internal thought process of the Custodians Guarding G Man when he loses his shit and wrecks shop. And when they war game taking him down and the only time they guarantee success is just out and out ambushing him with zero reason and 100% surprise
Can’t believe we got majorkill power scaling before gta6
"I know this is rich coming from me, but your powers are bullshit" Alucard hellsing abridged
I wonder if Alucard can kill a primarch... I don't think he would have problems with anything less, considering the fact that he can use guns and must be killed like 3 millions times to actually die, but it seems like he would have to get some heavy wh40k weaponry to even have a chance to blast through primarchs armour...
Oh, and there is also a version of him from the end of hellsing ultimate, at which point he just can't be killed by weapons, but I think someone like Emperor could still destroy his soul/essence/concept.
Here's some to consider:
What if all of the Primarchs (save Alpharius because he landed on Terra) somehow died before the Imperium discovered them? (Assume that Vulkan was never found by the Imperium, maybe he was lost in the Warp, maybe the DE got a hold of him, maybe he’s in Trazyn’s galleries, etc). The important thing is, what if no Primarchs?
If any one Loyalist and Traitor Primarch switched sides for the Horus Heresy, who would you choose for the best outcome for either the Loyalists, or the Traitors?
What if the Silent King never got rid of his Command Protocols and took (almost) all the Necrons with him out of the galaxy to perhaps find a new and better one and come across the Tyranids?
What if the Great Crusade had all the Primarchs and none turned Traitor, but there were no Astartes?
What if the Beast Orks succeeded in defeating the Imperium?
What if the Raptor Project succeeded/was never sabotaged?
How would each Heresy/Crusade-era Primarch and Legion fare against the modern Tau Empire?
The Great Crusade is much slower. When the Heresy hits the Traitor/Chaos forces are much more powerful and numerous. Alpharius becomes the Warmaster of Chaos and kills the Emperor. Chaos wins
The Beast Orks simply get slaughtered by the Daemons as they are ill-equipped tp fight them plus the mass slaughter of Humanity greatly empowers Chaos. More humans join Chaos
To give either side a big boost, ferrus to traitors(horus directly says ferrus would have allowed them to win and do so with relative ease in addition to improving moral of fulgrim and potentially other chaos primarchs), or perturabo to loyalists which is good for them purely because it fucks over the traitors so bad as only mortarion(and sometimes horus) can do basic tactics by the siege if they get there.
You have to completely nerf the imperium to a crippling degree to have Tau competitive against it… at least that’s how it sounds!
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Or if the Tau fully join Chaos
Counter point against the power of Custodes Vs Primarch. A counter point named Angron. An angry Angron without power armor yet, rushing at the Emperor. One Custodes tried to oppose him and was pulverized like a child by a train.
Im not a fan of the Tau but it's crazy to think that Fire Warriors trade one to one with your typical guardsmen. They wear full body armor that acts as decent protection against lasgun fire and their carbines can one shot guardsmen, and they have targeting assist in their helmets.
Yeah, I have exactly the same opinion.
At range, I would gave three to four guardsmen for a Tau. At close combat, maybe one to one, the ferocity of the guardrsman compensating for the armor and the squishy tau having a disadvantage over the guardsman.
Overall, I would give two or three guardsman killed for a Fire cast warrior.
@@alpharius4434Plus we can guess that Tau commanders do not treat their troops as canon fodder and emphasize real battlefield tactics in order to minimize their losses, instead of the usual Imperial Guard human wave that fire warriors would be easily able to cut down.
But.. they can have the distance closed and they fall to getting beat up by children of other races.
@@t.m.t3215 i think the Imperial guard using human wave tactics exclusively is a misconception. It depends on the regiment's purpose or combat doctrine, whoever's in command and the circumstances of the battle. The guard will use anything from guerilla tactics, to trench warfare tactics, to attrition warfare to blitzkrieg to relying on bombardments, etc.
That being said the Tau do treat their soldiers as valuable, whereas plenty of Imperial commanders would only care about victory regardless of the death toll on their own forces. Plus the use of spy drones, shield drones, sniper drones and marker lights give the Tau an even greater tactical advantage, but the video was talking about powerscaling for individual warriors
@@birdofgrey6542 That's true I agree.
A video of the top ten community made wholesome moments would be great
would love to have thatbut as u know that might be one hard thing to even research much more produce.
I think that may have already happened. Or something similar, because I seem to recall seeing one like that.
@@KandyKane999 Wholesome on the lore but on community? Its easier to say that shit often happens than wholesome moments. Just an example the hardcore gatekeeper couldnt even consider MK as one of the legit lore giver for those who wants to get in the fandom.
@@aenarioncourts9516 Oh, I agree that he probably isn't a "legit lore" guy, according to most people, but he is quite passionate about the subject and that is hard to find. He does his research, too, and I've never really caught him out on anything. I like his cheeky approach and attitude and don't demand 100% accuracy from a guy that's in it to entertain. And I'll say again that I don't recall him being terribly wrong about something.
Video starts at 1:30
Thanks bro
You gotta have a little foreplay bro
It works by being inconsistent and wonky as fuck I still remember harlequins butchering custodes or a world eater punching through one hell a terminator got done in by a thousand normal peasants with melee weapons
Don't forget, plot armor and Mary Suedom both play a significant role in power scaling.
In some lore instances, Astartes are just "regular" superhuman warriors and can probably deadlift about 3-5 tons depending on the Marine in question.
In the case of say, Calgar, he can lift a frakking Necron Pylon that weighs hundreds of tons like it's a toy.
Calgar was wearing Power Fists, which was Implyed few times that they make their wearer stronger, not mention his power Fists aren't ordinary ones.
I like the idea of a 9 Custodian, 1 Sister vs Magnus battle, where Magnus is fighting for his life vs the 3 of 4 melee Custodians and the 5 or 6 ranged Custodians, while the Sister just chills and eats popcorn from the sideline, letting her blankness do all the work
tbf, malcador could still use psyker powers around one or two sisters, and magnus melted him- so maybe a few more sisters, but same deal
there's a cool scene in "the crimson king" where a group sent by malcador find magnus' belligerent shard and the way he attempts to deal with the sister of silence in the group is by mind controlling a servitor controlling a turret and aiming it at the sister (cant remmeber if he pulls it of or if menkaura intervenes by then).
would be curious to see how magnus deals with blanks in a pro-thousand sons book (he's not allowed to use braincells when he's the antagonist)
10-20 custodians for most Primarchs, at LEAST 20 for Sanguinius if not more.
I mean how are they even going to fight the angel, if he decides to fight like how he fought Horus, just fly up and swoop down, that's 1 custodian dead, do it 20 times and all of them are dead 😂
Unless they somehow jump him and clip his wings/disable his warp power that he uses to fly... But with his future sight yeah not happening
And he's a considerable psyker, so he could just dodge the shots from their spears and just rain smites down on them, and never need to risk melee at all.
And Custodians don't have a hard counter to psychic assault if they're not teamed with the Sisters of Silence...
Vulkan, Corax, Magnus, Lion, Perturabo will all be far above 20 too.
@@SymbioteMulleti dont know if his foresight works exactly like that.
I'm guessing you're thinking like this because of how he acted during the Siege of Terra? Where he was flying around dodging anti-air like it was nothing, not evening dodging on purpose. His Blood Angels were getting nervous because he was putting himself in danger.
He also knew he'd beat Angron, Ka’Bhanda, and wouldn't die during any of his feats during the Siege.
Only reason he did all this was because he knew that he was fated to die to Horus on the Vengeful Spirit, not to Danny the Daemon firing his cum-filled bazooka.
Not sure if it would work like that on a day to day basis, like Konrad Curzes’ works.
@@jackvearncombe9892Goddamn, Demon Danny and his Cum-zuka got me.
I love that you acknowledge Harlequin superiority.
I generally think of it as 10 gangers to a guardsman, 10 guardsmen to a Sororitas, 10 Sororitas to a marine, 10 marines to a custodian.
With things like Arbites/ Scions/ voidsman etc worth about 5 guardsmen.
That corvus corax
A solitaire is the closest you get to having named character plot armour status
Wouldn’t pdf be more akin to the national guard while guardsmen are the actual military. I feel like guardsmen being special forces would be a bit crazy because of how many guardsmen exist. Furthermore, pdf are pretty much just for defense (like the national guard) while guardsmen attack and defend (like the military)
Do the pdf even have models?
@@goldenfiberwheat238no but you can just use differently colored cadians for well off pdf regiments because pre fall cadia created billions of guardsmen equipment which was also given or sold to other regiments and pdfs
@@Sea_Wheat sold?
I already have that blue balled model as a bunch of us who bought the Big E got access to the unreleased models as way of thankyou.
It's a beautiful and really fits the Raven Daddy.
10:00, cmon man, Angron killed 10 custodes with BARE hands. And how 20 anything can suround a person in melee combat?
when with bare hands?
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In the book Betrayer, when the emperor goes to Angron for the first time, the text in question:
Angron caught the Custodes' arm in one hand, snapping it like a dry twig. The golden warrior barely had time to register the pain before Angron drove his fist into the Custodes' helmet, caving it in with a single punch. Blood and brain matter sprayed as the Custodes fell, lifeless, to the ground. Another Custodes charged, his guardian spear aimed at Angron's heart. Angron roared, grabbing the spear mid-thrust and yanking the warrior towards him. With a savage twist, he broke the Custodes' neck and tossed the corpse aside like a ragdoll.
tossed the corpse aside like a ragdoll.
fck me, angron is a beast; After reading this, I was even more impressed by the beating he took from Sanguinius
Angron is a monument of pure brute strength, I think unnamed custodes losing to him doesn't underplay the strength of a custodes, he's just that strong, plus being their first meeting, the custodes had no plan or prep to beat him
@@AbhisarRawat and what about the one who charged with spear and angron grab the spear mid-thrust and yanking the warrior towards him.
Studying the attack potency article on vsbattles and understanding joules and tons TNT is necessary and makes fantasy more fun
Now we need a jolly green giant that loves fire and hugs with a hammer to complete the bro trip crusade to Terra
Guardsman - They do die a lot... is an understatement 😆
In Badab, the Red Scorpions were trading just under 200-1 against Guard equivalent who had the advantage of defensive fortifications.
When it comes to power scaling, I really like, the quote from Godblight: "Most impressive of all was Stratarchis Tribune Actuarius Maldovar Colquan and his Custodians, their great height made yet more imposing by their tall, conical helms. They included three Allarus Terminators, five Wardens and two squads of five Custodians of lesser rank. Lesser was a subjective term, for every one of them was the match of a hundred mortal men, or a dozen Space Marines. They were second only to Guilliman himself in might. They could, together, perhaps beat him. It was rare so many fought in a single host, even in Fleet Primus, where their numbers were the greatest." Custodes equal to 12 Space Marines, and around 19 Custodes maybe beat the primarch. Maybe.
Yeah, also counting that custodians had 3 terminators and 5 wardens, which are more then average custodian, so, for average custodians it would probably be more
I asked chat gpt and it said one custodian guard in terminator armour vs. 1,000 primaris in terminator would come out to the custodian taking out about 200-300 before ultimately dying but then again it would be clad in the special custodes terminator armour
I would argue that the PDF are not regular armies, they are conscripts, in a total war they hold territory just like in 40K, they get the worst equipment and worst training but the guard is the actual army, they go out and conquer territory, they are a mobile force with the equipment, training and doctrine to fight and win on foreign soil. The elite of the guard that you told about those are the actual navy SEALS or other elite.
SEALS go behind the line and do important objectives that cant be done regularly, the army/guard fights the normal battles.
First of all, you are ROCKING that shirt, looking good man.
here, we use the metric system, power units are in spmr or space marines per unit. For example one could say that a custodian has 12 spmr
a year asking of a video on the relationship between the first founding chapters between and there most prominent successors
@@thatonekriegguardsmen6140 Luetin09 gas done this
There is still mystery around the primarchs innate warp powers and their latent abilities. What if every primarch has the potential to become some sort of minor warp god like Corvus Corax
Now imagine Custodian Warderns or even better, Allarus Custodians, which are actual moving fortresses, damn those dudes slap. I just love how absurdly OP Custodes are
There was an Iron Snake, when he fought Orks for the first time, said it was strange fighting opponents inbthe same weight class
A video on if the Pharos didn't explode during the Battle of Sotha would be pretty neat.
Some real awesome/bizarre Power Scaling ive seen is on the concept of a Warhammer 40K / Lensmen Crossover, regarding The Unit with someone asserting that "The Unit could solo the entire Pre-Fall Eldar Empire." In regards to its/their psychic power.
Derpderp is better. One insect there could solo everything in any other universe.
@@leighz1962 Derpderp is completely unfair in any scaling debate, the named characters could fistfight the Old Testament God and win.
I once watched a video where a guy was comparing stuff from other franchises to 40k. He was talking about Omni man and after listing everything he could do, he’s like “yeah he could probably take down 3 or 4 custodes but anymore than that and he’d die” right after saying he can move faster than the speed of light and showing a clip from the show where he destroys a whole planet spanning civilization in less than a minute. Like ???
New magor mini. Im guessing Horus. Im hoping for models of the four chaos gods.
And if they arent on your radar, majorkill i would do a full "shut up amd take my mony" moment for four detailed chaos gods to display with my trator primarchs(once i finally have a fulgrim to complete the set that is)
I have been a subscriber for y3 years now. And now my sister just died, thanks for making our times worthwhile 👍
This is how I have alway scaled it:
1x Primarch = 20-25 Custodes
1x Custodes = 3× Grey Knights
1x Grey Knight = 5x Minotaurs
1× Minotaur = 10x Standard Space Marines
1x Space Marine = 5x Elite Guard
1× Elite Guard = 10 Standard Guard
Minotaurs are not 10x stronger than standard space marines.
@@ZaakaSjnssj Not more powerful, they specialize in killing Space Marines. And have shown the ability to Slaughter their brothers 10 to 1
A custodes is not 150x an astartes. A minotaur is not 10x an astartes; they are astartes.
New video idea, how many times does a girl have to say you should do a male version of the calendar before you do it?
At least one more time?
His audience only includes a gal. Majorkill is a capitalist so maybe send market research guaranteeing a market demand enough to turn a profit and I'm sure the money will talk.
A video about, what if there were no loyalist elements in the traitor legions ,this would also count for omegon and magnus. So there would be no need for the culling at isthvaan and weakening of the traitor forces.. this would be very intresting to see what all the effects would be on the succes of the heresy.
It also comes down to tactics and equipment. 20 space marines urban environment could probably do more damage than in an open field. Also, if they had air support then it's different.
Remember when several custodes killed a shit ton of nids because they were all on a cliff or something. But in an open field, those custodes would've gotten swarmed.
I think in general, yeah about 20 guardsmen vs a space marine
Always appreciate love for the true heroes of humanity, the great bastion that is the guard.
Day 46: What if Omegon returned to the setting. What would happen?, how would Guilliman and The Lion react?. Would be a pretty cool video idea.
i know it's an outlier but i would have loved to hear you mention The Garantine from the book Nemesis, where he ran around the Sons of Horus space marine and killed him.
There is a story about 5 Iron Hands puting down a rion in some prison moon, and the final score is milion and a half not so armed humans dead to 0 iron hands dead, but they were not armed well (or barely)
I know the raid on the Imperial palace lives in infamy but from the way both sides are consistently described in lore I feel the Harlequins are the closests to Custodes in terms of standard unit power level. You've got the Eldar Guardians which IIRC are still unmodified Eldar just exceedingly well trained and can take Astartes but the Harlequin's ARE mysteriously modified and basically all the Eldar fear/respect them.
Feel it should be like a 3 to 1 for bog standard players vs custodes, but lots of factors could swing it higher or lower.
Please make a video about Tau Navy and their battles.
Got early access to that new model for the Big E fiasco. God damn is it an amazing one!
Yeah I am guessing the model is our Raven Boi or at least a legally distinct one. Nice Major :D Hope to pick him up before he gets sold out.
My notes one the power scaling: Nid scaling is basically as many as needed (Baring author favoritism) as they make bio forms suited to a task. And I would say a rank above custodes on a 1 to 1 scale is huge fuck off robots. Knights, most Dreadys, Kastellan robots, Necron Destroyer. The things that are basically walking weapons platforms that are armed enough to kill whole squads without issue.
Helmets, helmets are important to power scaling like this.
so, space wolves get a downgrade because they dont wear helmets
Bro. You're looking HUGE. Good on ya.
lol damn, when Guardsmen are at SAS quality it puts everything else in perspective
Don’t believe everything you hear. Guardsmen are not tier 1 operators. Knowing the lore of them and knowing about modern spec ops units. You’ll then know they aren’t comparable and anybody who says that shit is just talking because they think it makes the guardsman sound tougher.
Does the rank/size of the Ork Matter?
I imagine a Nob might fair better than your typical Boy. And a WAGHED up Warboss would be on another level
It's an out liar but Gabriel angelos took down and ork warboss quite handily in dawn of war
Would have love quins and especially solitaire being included.
I was always under the impression that it took about 700 guardsmen to kill 1 space marine. I remember hearing about the siege of vraks and how impressive it was that guards men were trading at a ratio of 400 to one. 400 to 1 sure sounds bad until you remember that it takes about 1000 of the imperiums finest recruits to make 1 of them.
Do a video on demon corvus Corax pls
A video on which chaos gods the loyalist primarchs might fall or be temped by
Ooooh, is that Pica Pica, bird like shadow that steals anything shiny from the heretics?
I think the weirdest one for me is the Sisters of Silence and where they land. They are known for being able to keep up with Custodes even though they arent enhanced (i think, its tough remembering who is roided up and who isnt in the imperium) and i doubt being blanks will make any difference. If they can keep up just being really well trained then it doesnt make sense that Chaos marines would struggle. Then again im no imperium player so i may just be mixing up facts.
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Almost every named character in WH40K: Hold my Beer
A video on What If? Fulgrim and Jaghatai had landed on the other's planet as an infant! The lore says they were switched, but how did that impact said lore?
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The secret model is Shas'O Vior'la Shovah Kais Mont'yr...obviously :3
A outsider major mini would be pretty cool ngl
Think the grey knights deserve an mention. They are the best of the best of the astartes AND they are psychers. Some of them even have relic weapons.
Id since they have the psycher shenanigans i think they are the sacriest force around.
Even if they get overpowered they can grab someone - teleport to the warp and maroon them there. Like goddamn, its vs someone with noclip on
Hello Majorkill,
Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.
The Imperial Guard is not like seal team 6, There are parts of the guard that might be similar to seal team but the vast majority are closer to the Marine Corp or Army
I think the scaling of 40k works best in a graphical format on a quadrant rather than a line, because there are at least 2 factors; Raw Stats and Skill. We can even say there is a 3rd axis of Equipment specialization that makes them better against certain types of enemies. Sufficient amounts of any of the three can make up for a weakness in the others to a certain extent, but against an opponent with an equal stats, skill level, or equipment, the deficit in the others will cause a massive loss ratio.
We see that when comparing the Custodes to Space Marines. The skill is close-ish, but the stats and the equipment are just so far below a Custodian that it isn't a fight.
This applies even more against the other races. T'au being a big one. Raw stats are extremely low, but skill and equipment are so high that unless the Space Marine can negate one or the other, (melee combat range or vast amounts of experience fighting T'au), the stats dont matter.
I have one lore mechanic related question.
How is it decided how the general story/setting/lore progresses? I can't imagine that if author XYZ decides that he think it would be cool to bring back the second legion and its primarch just because he has a fancy story in his mind, that's how the new canon develops.
I know it's a rather technical question but I always wondered how it came that The Lion returned and not The Kahn or anyone else. Would be very interesting to see a video about that (at least for me) or if people here know the answer if you could answer my question.
I really hope that it's not GW rolling dice in their board meetings though.
I'm on the same page for the squad of 10 being a challenge for the loner warrior primarchs like the Lion and Russ and Corvax. A Squad of 10 Custodian is greater than the sum of its parts.
i wonder how they would try to deal with corax- or how most would: from what i've heard, the lion has amazing instincts; sanguinius and kurze's future sights would help them a lot; magnus, as well as having future sight, could just turn the atmosphere into sulphur dioxide or something worse whilst making himself intangible.
how would the others do- because corax's invisibity bypasses any involvement with light (he can still see himself) does it bypass the whole EM spectrum, including infrared, so any tech oriented primarch wouldnt be able to use any heat sensors?
I actually like the idea of a primarch having a custodian bodyguard with a secret task to kill him if necessary 😂
I kinda want to see the Tau's first reaction of a custodian
You are the strongest if you have the right weapons and enough soliders under your command. Rest is just flavor
All I can think of is "Gaunt and his ghosts killed 3 chaos marines" lol and one of the inquisitors killing a chaos marine on some steps, I can't remember which one it was. :P
Majorkill! You mentioned Traitor White Scars.
How many other legions had lesser traitor amounts in the lore like that?
Lets keep going. Dreadnoughts to Knights to Warhounds, to Imperial Titans
What about primarchs vs mechs and tanks? Like how durable are primarchs?
Like a primarch vs. a knight or a riptide?
I know Fulgrim survived getting shot in the head from a sniper and even regenerated from it, but if he took a tau railgun, he'll pop right?
Wait, what about Grey Knights and AdMec? How do they scale?
I'd like to see the power level of Assassins like the Eversor.
In the wise words of Qigon-Jin
"There's always a bigger fish"
@10:40 - Lorgar was quite weak martially speaking, he admitted he was more of a thinker than fighter. During the the battle of istvaan V, Lorgar in his normal state had his bum handed to him by Corax, chatter at the time revealed that neither expected Lorgar to win against a battle focussed Primarch. So perhaps what i'm saying is, 10-20 Custodes is more than enough against Lorgar, but what about the rest?
Dang, I was waiting to see where Harlequins would score.
oh nice we get a corvus model! yey!
@YTMajorkill00 yey! im smort! what did i win?
TLDR; It doesn't. The lore doesn't match the tabletop, and the lore doesn't match itself. This is a huge franchise with different writers working on the same characters, over a period of almost 50 years.
The Custodes killed by the Harlequins were all Girlstodes, that's why they were so easy to kill.
Releaseing Corvus for my birthday?
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I’m pretty sure that a guardsman with a heavy bolter vs a space marine in an open field, the space marine is gonna have to worry abt his trypophobia
that is the demon form of corvus corax , the wings and jetpack gives it away
"The bogeyman to all the traitors..."
Ok so we're looking at either Sigismund, Corvus or Sly Marbo.