Don’t pay more than 9000 for one we need to keep the prices down! I’m also looking and 13000 will get you a nice z but really it should only be 9000. Dealers are greedy.
I think the final question, instead of “Does more money = more better” because 99% that answer will be yes, the question should be “Is more money worth it”
I’d believe in doing the best of both. So cheap rims and expensive tires. Because the rims matter a lot less than the tires in terms of performance. 4 pounds isn’t that much of a difference when you’re running a stiffer/lower set up, whereas if you max out your usable grip you’re going to have a much more noticeable improvement
Brandon Miller but at the same time, if they hit a big pothole or something, the better wheels (and probably the OEM wheels) MIGHT bend, whereas the cheaper ones will definitely bend and could crack. So not only are the more better ones safer, but if you live in a hole-y area, then you could end up saving money over the years.
To those thinking cheap wheels are always bad: you are *sleepin* on flow-formed Konigs. Made on the same production line as Enkei flow-formeds, they are just as light and are half the price.
Dude, I can't even find 17in wheels lighter than the Konigs rn. I'm looking at dekagrams or countergrams because i like how they look, both just under 17lbs. The hypergrams are the lightest @ 16.33lbs for 17x8s. TSW Bathursts are 17lbs, nothing else compares that I've found. The Konigs are around 220, the Bathursts around 330.
@@johnnymatias3027 Get the hypergrams, I think they look sexy. I got Konig Rennforms on my car and tbh they're alright, but they're my first set of wheels so I didn't expect to get it perfect the first time
There is a huge difference between good sound system and bad sound system. No vape juice though. I have a 1000W AMP JL Audio (the one that claims it will never oveheat and 2 8' Subs from JL Audio. That setup alone is quality.
Cheap subwoofers sound like crap. But you don't have to spend $1000+ to get quality. My powered sub is from Rockford Fosgate. It is a 12 inch Punch woofer with a 300 watt rms mono amp. Great bass in my truck.
@@enlightenedidiot9552 Let me correct that. Poorly designed subwoofers sound like crap. Price is not a sure determination of performance. SPL in a car is easy and 250-300$ sub can give JL and fosgate a run for it's money. Most "Car" subs are overpriced because of branding. You can hit 130dB with just 300Ws with the right woofer and still get deep bass
I just started watching this youtube channel, and I really like how they explain important facts about each product and how they can impact a cars performance. Reminds me of those car shows back on discovery channel in the early 2000's
This show should be himidlow, demonstrating the logarithmic diminishing return on investment. For the majority of consumers, a mid tier product will be the most cost effective.
I don’t agree. Being faster is different than being safer. Looots of tests are done on oem parts for road use. They did not try it under heavy rain for exemple. Also, they kinda know what they are doing and used “appropriate” parts installed the right way. We can not expect it from everyone diy-ing it in their driveway.
K C you’re still missing the whole point of the series if you could actually read lmao, one car has cheap parts hence the LO car, the other has expensive part hence the HI car. The whole point of the series is to figure out if more expensive actually means better and in most cases yeah. Just thought you would need some more simpler explaining since you don’t get it
Love the show. I am a budget car guy, so I like the info on the low end stuff. But I do spend the money on good parts where necessary so I can appreciate the reviews on the High end shiz too! Anyways I'll keep tuning in on the channel.
yep if the suspension isn't correctly set up for what you are using your car for theres no point in even thinking about wheels and tyres. slamming a car as low as it will go severely impacts the way a car handles as seen in the video and should never be done if your doing any fast driving.
They wouldn't fit, they already had to roll the fenders out on hi-car to fit the Advan/Bridgestone combo, lo-car is way lower so would have even less room.
@@notDonaldFagen right a good bicycle wheel like my old bmx was $130 for the rim alone plus ti spikes and a $300 hub... about $1200 for the pair if I remember right , closer to $450 each or $900 for the pair, if you just use cheapo spokes
I think the sponsors are part of their motivation for some of their series, Nos energy drink split after James had a heart attack, and since it was a reoccurring sponsor for Bumper 2 Bumper, meaning it was probably the main sponsor, the series hasn't had a new episode since.
Building budget cars is just as cool if not cooler than big budget builds. Making something quality for a low cost is never a bad thing! I have a 06 sti I built up for under 3 grand :) 417 horsepower.
Get what you can afford. Marginally better times in the real world (street or butt dyno) don’t really matter. Ask yourself “Does it make my car better and can I still eat the food I like?” If yes, than you’re fine.
No need to explain yourself to anyone guys! You didn’t get a sponsorship and so what if you did. This series is awesome and saves people money and hassle. Great work.
12:25 I can attest to this. I have stage 4 hair loss by the time I was 23. Had to shave it all because it was so disgusting. Now I'm 36 and still single.
I looked at a few videos to understand wheels and tires better (fairly new car guy in training here) and none explained them is quickly and simply as you all did. I Totally understand now! Thanks Donut Media :)
Honestly, I'm a budget man. I can't spend more on tires and wheels than I did the entire car. Now, I have spent way more on wheels, tires and suspension all together.. But, I have the XXR 530/18's(Gold) in a 33 offset 7.5" wide(w/o rolling any fenders) and Nitto NeoGen 225/40R18 high performance all seasons.('04 VW Jetta GL) cost=$1000+ accompanied with KSport Kontrol Pros fully adjustable coilover kit(another $1000+) I honestly can't tell you how happy I am with the results. I've since added several other chassis and suspension, upgraded rotors and pads, to put about $3200+ worth of handling and stopping power to this set up in moderate totals. Doing all my own wrenching, I might add. It has transformed this car and I would do it all over again for the value, performance versus costs, over and over again. I shot for midgrades and I LOVE IT!!
That was gold i had to rewind and watch lots of times def not staged you can see the look on both their faces hes burning but trying to stay professional at the same time lol
All I'm learning with this series is that I really want a Z.
I'm currently Z shopping. Either this or a Miata.
@@game0wl Can't go wrong either way. Best of luck to you my dude
@@david_champa6265 Thanks likewise!!!
David_ Champa
Goddamn son!
Don’t pay more than 9000 for one we need to keep the prices down! I’m also looking and 13000 will get you a nice z but really it should only be 9000. Dealers are greedy.
I think the final question, instead of “Does more money = more better” because 99% that answer will be yes, the question should be “Is more money worth it”
I’d believe in doing the best of both. So cheap rims and expensive tires. Because the rims matter a lot less than the tires in terms of performance. 4 pounds isn’t that much of a difference when you’re running a stiffer/lower set up, whereas if you max out your usable grip you’re going to have a much more noticeable improvement
Brandon Miller but at the same time, if they hit a big pothole or something, the better wheels (and probably the OEM wheels) MIGHT bend, whereas the cheaper ones will definitely bend and could crack. So not only are the more better ones safer, but if you live in a hole-y area, then you could end up saving money over the years.
*IRS enters the chat *
You’re overthinking a joke
gear head you gotta go somewhere in the middle
To those thinking cheap wheels are always bad: you are *sleepin* on flow-formed Konigs. Made on the same production line as Enkei flow-formeds, they are just as light and are half the price.
And rays?
matthew natividad rays are expensive as shit wtf
@@justinhedrick2906 rotiforms>
Dude, I can't even find 17in wheels lighter than the Konigs rn. I'm looking at dekagrams or countergrams because i like how they look, both just under 17lbs. The hypergrams are the lightest @ 16.33lbs for 17x8s. TSW Bathursts are 17lbs, nothing else compares that I've found. The Konigs are around 220, the Bathursts around 330.
@@johnnymatias3027 Get the hypergrams, I think they look sexy. I got Konig Rennforms on my car and tbh they're alright, but they're my first set of wheels so I didn't expect to get it perfect the first time
I like seeing $500 dollars civics on 4K wheel setups.
Yes mate, yes
It's like how pirates wore gold earrings so when they got killed they could afford a funeral
Lol me
500 dollars dollars
Hey when my car is 15 years old ill be saving 500 a month by not buying a newer car and i can mod the crap out of it. Comming for you work wheels.
Just want to say thank you for whoever added the metric conversions. Appreciate ya.
James trying to explain tire measurements literally killed me
Same lmso
When they clapped wheels and looked at the film crew like theyre kids who just bounced a basketball off dads vette i lost it 😂
Next:
$100 subwoofer vs $1000 sound system+$30 vape juice
There is a huge difference between good sound system and bad sound system. No vape juice though. I have a 1000W AMP JL Audio (the one that claims it will never oveheat and 2 8' Subs from JL Audio. That setup alone is quality.
Cheap subwoofers sound like crap. But you don't have to spend $1000+ to get quality. My powered sub is from Rockford Fosgate. It is a 12 inch Punch woofer with a 300 watt rms mono amp. Great bass in my truck.
@@enlightenedidiot9552 Let me correct that. Poorly designed subwoofers sound like crap. Price is not a sure determination of performance. SPL in a car is easy and 250-300$ sub can give JL and fosgate a run for it's money. Most "Car" subs are overpriced because of branding. You can hit 130dB with just 300Ws with the right woofer and still get deep bass
@@enlightenedidiot9552 Rockford fosgate will always be a high end quality brand
@@aceproduction99 I agree...
Punch baby!
You guys have explained tire measurements better than any other channels. Thanks!
"For all your wheel, tire, and suspension needs..." -wait, wrong channel.
Close enough. Most of us are prolly subbed to them too
Ye yeee
Fitment Industries?
Christian Haykus yep
😂😂
*Donut gets sponsored by nos*
James gets a heart attack
*Donut gets sponsored by keeps*
6 months later James is gonna go bald
Ritchie103 stopppp lol
DONT PUT THAT EVIL ON ME RICKY BOBBY! DONT BRING THAT INTO MY HOUSE! - James
@@Donut
IM ON FIRE OH SWEET BABY JESUS IM ON FIRE.
YOUR NOT ON FIRE RICKY BOBBY
JAMES WHATEVER YOU DO DONT GET A VIAGRA SPONSORSHIP
I just started watching this youtube channel, and I really like how they explain important facts about each product and how they can impact a cars performance. Reminds me of those car shows back on discovery channel in the early 2000's
Nolan: touches rim
Rim: minecraft anvil noise
I want to Die 💀💀💀
12:14
Bruh 😆
I want to Die o
I want to Die o
I LOVE THIS SHOW!!! this literally destroys any other show I’m so interested and waiting for each vids it’s like a real tv show
Best thing on youtube at moment
Classic Top Gear would like to know your location
Top Gear?
I'm kind impressed how good edited are Donut's videos and, off course, the content
For people like me who love cars but just getting in to modding cars, this series is GODSENT. Thanks boys!
This show should be himidlow, demonstrating the logarithmic diminishing return on investment. For the majority of consumers, a mid tier product will be the most cost effective.
I felt smart knowing what all those big words meant
stock-low-mid-hi then
@@nathanperini9226 That makes too much sense yo
I said the same thing on the original video! I think that format is the money maker.
Set of koni shocks for $800 and a set of rt615k for $600 on the stock wheels. Would destroy both these cars. $1400 total.
2:46 no kidding I actually laughed so hard. Thank you James. What was pure gold
The cops should see this and realize that modified cars are better performing and SAFER!
Reece Dabeast but what about the driver? Cars don’t drive themselves
Idk...I see a lot of wrecked BMW/Mercedes/Muscle cars
I don’t agree. Being faster is different than being safer. Looots of tests are done on oem parts for road use. They did not try it under heavy rain for exemple. Also, they kinda know what they are doing and used “appropriate” parts installed the right way. We can not expect it from everyone diy-ing it in their driveway.
@@marcom2092 That's besides the point...
@@Range-X That's cause fuckin rich kids and retards.
This is why I love Enkei. Closer to the XXR in price, but closer to the Avant in quality.
I love enkei wheels. I like the gold Enkei 92s the most
RPF1 gang rise up
@@Gerarghini true poor boy racers know XD rpf1 is life
Konig Dekagrams
anarchyamp yassss bitch
The different suspension kinda invalidates this test.
yes
Thats the whole point of this . Expensive vs cheap.
Did you miss the whole point of this series bud? Low budget vs high budget
@@michaelmcafferty9837 low vs high "wheels and tires" not suspension system bud
K C you’re still missing the whole point of the series if you could actually read lmao, one car has cheap parts hence the LO car, the other has expensive part hence the HI car. The whole point of the series is to figure out if more expensive actually means better and in most cases yeah. Just thought you would need some more simpler explaining since you don’t get it
probably the first sponsor shout out I listen with consideration
What are you doing here lol.
Ur an imposter
Yeah
@@solitude2871 SUD
Street can?
Rims are the sneakers of car culture. Air Jordans are cool but in reality cheaper Nikes outperform them in every way.
under rated comment
Steve Wohlford jordans are lame as Fuck.
@@thunderhammer1937 I will actually go to your house
Air_ Swing on by, I’ll give you some Vans to wear. I’ll even let you throw your lame ass Jordan’s in my trash bro. 😂
@Soccerkid43 and you're watching a video on a channel about race cars on public road...sure lol
Love the show. I am a budget car guy, so I like the info on the low end stuff. But I do spend the money on good parts where necessary so I can appreciate the reviews on the High end shiz too! Anyways I'll keep tuning in on the channel.
Current car culture: "if you arent running $4k worth of wheels on $55 chinese tires youre trash."
Not me i dont bullshit with tires
They're called 500tw ditchfinders
Bill Collins i would get cheap wheels before cheap tires
Hingle McCringleberry same exactly
So true.. 3 piece wheels with Nankang tires everywhere lol
1000$ wheels
Oh ok that’s a reasonable price set
- And tires!
Oh...
Oh no...
What is a reasonable price for set?
shadowflare99 around 1700
lAcid Rainl are the wheels 35” or the tires 35” tall?
@@iknowthings57 35 inch wheels duh hes makin a donk lol
When he said I'd rather spend 500 instead of 1200, I cringed knowing I spend 1600 for cheap tires on my dual rear wheel truck
5:19 had the same energy as the kid that says "have you ever had a dream where-"
"In every test they performed better."
With suspension proven vastly superior...
Should've swapped em' all onto the same car.
yep if the suspension isn't correctly set up for what you are using your car for theres no point in even thinking about wheels and tyres. slamming a car as low as it will go severely impacts the way a car handles as seen in the video and should never be done if your doing any fast driving.
@@filmboy18 that's true but I'm pretty sure that he meant the fact that the two cars have different suspensions
They wouldn't fit, they already had to roll the fenders out on hi-car to fit the Advan/Bridgestone combo, lo-car is way lower so would have even less room.
These videos genuinely help me choose the parts I need for my car on a budget.
10:43 i like how aaron goes into a powerslide but just keeps calm and countersteers, this is why he got into hyperdrive.
A cheat for the brake test would be turn cruise control on.
Or engine brake.
The cheap one is more than my budget
They bought the sports version of cheap so its gonna be a little bit pricy since its sport 🤧🤑
bicycle tires are your budget
@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 good bike wheels and tires aren't much cheaper lol
@@notDonaldFagen right a good bicycle wheel like my old bmx was $130 for the rim alone plus ti spikes and a $300 hub... about $1200 for the pair if I remember right , closer to $450 each or $900 for the pair, if you just use cheapo spokes
@@NB-ir1me u gotta respect the bike community to be equally scandalous in pricing. A good wheelset starts at 1k smh 😂
I love this series bro’s ! It’s dope af gave me allot of insight and made my purchases better
Guys I don't care if you are or aren't sponsored. Just keep making great videos! Thank you for what you all do!!
I think the sponsors are part of their motivation for some of their series, Nos energy drink split after James had a heart attack, and since it was a reoccurring sponsor for Bumper 2 Bumper, meaning it was probably the main sponsor, the series hasn't had a new episode since.
He had a heart attack?
Me:Looks at thumbnail , then looks at title
Also me: Confused
And then a different number in the video for the highs
Thumbnail is for wheels only, title is for tires+wheels
13:53 thank you james for being you all the time
I’m sad that my z is basically lo-car :(
Still cool
Building budget cars is just as cool if not cooler than big budget builds. Making something quality for a low cost is never a bad thing! I have a 06 sti I built up for under 3 grand :) 417 horsepower.
Save up.
Get what you can afford. Marginally better times in the real world (street or butt dyno) don’t really matter. Ask yourself “Does it make my car better and can I still eat the food I like?” If yes, than you’re fine.
Slavic Logic **ringlands cry in pain**
"Compulsory comment about how this week's sponsor is going to give James a heart attack"
kanishka sarkar lol
No need to explain yourself to anyone guys! You didn’t get a sponsorship and so what if you did. This series is awesome and saves people money and hassle. Great work.
I LOVE THESE VIDEOS! This should be called "UNDERSTANDING CARS AND PARTS 101"....this is awesome! This series is a keeper.
Cant wait for the exhaust episode, especially with those Polarizing VQ35s
I think this Hi / Lo series is the pinnacle so far of this channel. Was epic.
10:10
Text is flipped around
Up to Speed: 4G63
Up to Speed: VR6
Start breaking down legendary engines and why they are so legendary!
@Donut Media
Tate Smart my first car was a VR6. Was siiick
Agree on the vr6, Always loved the sound of that engine 👍
1:33 you can still see where Bart put the jar over the burning rag. I still miss him every day
:(
What happend?
@@MindOfBrody He left donut to take care of his family
Thumbnail: 100 vs 700
Title: 1,000 vs 3,700
James:676 and 275
Nolan:127 and 136
Dollars
Don't make this my math problems in class
Should've done the tests with stock suspension on both
or at least made another run with the cheap tires and rims on the hi car so that we'd have an apples to apples comparison
They didn't have to. They ran the same course with both cars when they changed the suspension and before they changed the wheels and tires.
7:45 Nolan's and my reaction every time I finish mods
I was waiting for it.. “ I’m talking HRSPRS” 😂
I’ve learned so much from this hiLo series and enjoy it so much! Thank you.
just two bro’s chillin in an alley and talking about Z’s
This is more a test for the tires, I would love to see a pothole test for the wheels
9:51 what a nice transitions!
The “Low” team is still pretty expensive for an average person
Or maybe its just because Im 14
Once you start working more and have some stability it's not as unattainable.
Your time will come young dude.
Chris Aguirre Damn, never knew there were people like you around sharing such polite and good advice to younger people. Good on you :)
It's probably because you're 14.
Cars are expensive, kids.
Kinang Eagle It really is expensive for an average person, my little brother!! Have a good day!!
Half a months pay for what are honestly the biggest upgrade to a car isn't too terrible.
You guys should do a show where you each have the same budget and you choose which upgrades to buy and see who ends up with a better car!
12:25 I can attest to this. I have stage 4 hair loss by the time I was 23. Had to shave it all because it was so disgusting. Now I'm 36 and still single.
"Low car was bouncing like my wife" *beep* 😂
That was hilarious.
He was censored for like 5 seconds hahahaha
5:35 all the stance bois need to hear this
They wont listen lol...
DevilG lmfao true
Someone stole the the bit of James's pant that covers the ankle.
@8:56
I think we’ve all had that moment lol Accelerate and then a bad noise comes on 😂
12:03 Best in video sponsor ad i have ever seen. Lol.
6:40 "you definetly wanna look up the torque specs"
Aaron: *uggaduggatime*
Filming at magic mountain I see, crazy to see Six Flags allow you do this stuff! Awesome 🔥
I can’t get enough of this channel.
When they use the same wheels u own for the low comparison😢😭
pleasedontsubscribe1 but they sicker then 95% wheels you see on the street 🙏🙌🙌
But dude, that's the sickest low wheels you can get
They look nice asf
The federal tires are nice anywho. As long as you care enough to get something kinda nice for your car.
Just ad a 0 at the price tag and you got yourself a nice baler set of wheels. That's literally how the wheel culture works.
I love those Federals.... but it sounds like you’re getting invaded by aliens in the Z’s cabin.
Bro i had em on my genesis when i first got it. HOWLING. I thought the wheel bearings were trashed lol
I had them on my Miata for a while, they were so damn loud. Sticky AF though
Got them on my FR-S. AAAAAaaaaaAAAAAaaaaaAAAAA
I have them on my S2K. Sticky AF in dry, but a soap in wet. Too dangerous for the UK actually....
The new federals rs-pro tho! Basically an updated version, similar price and aren't as loud
Thank y’all for teaching me about the wheel sizes I didn’t know what them middle numbers meant till now, lov y’all ❤️
Y’all shoulda swapped wheels and tested them on each setup respectively
It’s like watching Seth Rogen and chum lee
dude this is freaking hilarious. thank you, i am actually laughing out loud
lmfaooo
I looked at a few videos to understand wheels and tires better (fairly new car guy in training here) and none explained them is quickly and simply as you all did. I Totally understand now! Thanks Donut Media :)
how come I feel like I’ve seen this video already? is this reuploaded?
Kyyven this was like a series on Facebook but now it’s uploaded to TH-cam
@@ivanguillen3678oh shit yeah... thats why
I was thinking the same! I thought I was crazy!
could've gone TE37 for team high and Micheline Pilot Sport 4s.
OMG the triangles thing was about the sandwiches. Nice work!
14:42 James your forehead has a mouth.
Taconator lmao 🤣
@@efinisky lol, How have I never noticed that.
Hahahahha I'm dead
i dont see it
I think James should put lipstick on his forehead that has a mouth! 💄
2:29 love how the whole room shits their pants with me at home
I’m new to cars, why is that bad?
@@aperson325 if they bump, could dent and cause air leaks
Why am I just now checking in to this series? I love this it’s so fun to watch
2:29 almost gave James another heart attack
Keeping your hair when it wants to leave is like getting back with an ex doomed from the beginning lol
Honestly, I'm a budget man. I can't spend more on tires and wheels than I did the entire car. Now, I have spent way more on wheels, tires and suspension all together.. But, I have the XXR 530/18's(Gold) in a 33 offset 7.5" wide(w/o rolling any fenders) and Nitto NeoGen 225/40R18 high performance all seasons.('04 VW Jetta GL) cost=$1000+ accompanied with KSport Kontrol Pros fully adjustable coilover kit(another $1000+) I honestly can't tell you how happy I am with the results. I've since added several other chassis and suspension, upgraded rotors and pads, to put about $3200+ worth of handling and stopping power to this set up in moderate totals. Doing all my own wrenching, I might add. It has transformed this car and I would do it all over again for the value, performance versus costs, over and over again. I shot for midgrades and I LOVE IT!!
10:24 that edit made me immediately think about initial D
6:45 I actually had that happen to me 6 cars involved including a semi😂
damn!
I miss the old donut. The perfect mix of explanation and entertainment 😢
Can we appreciate that the holy spirit of dirty jokes seemingly possessed james's mortal body at 13:55
13:55 - "like my wife's _______________________"
😂
what do you think he compared to hahaha
Just an FYI at 10:10 in, you have the 2 frames labeled incorrectly. You have the Stock tires labeled as the RE71R and vice-versa.
"I'm gonn.. CLINK!😳 try an keep these rims nice as possible." We been in similar situations. Maybe not the exact same but similar.🤷🏿♂️😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👍🏿
That was gold i had to rewind and watch lots of times def not staged you can see the look on both their faces hes burning but trying to stay professional at the same time lol
I wanna se a hi low episode where you guys loaded it with all the parts you guys tested over the years and do an ultimate test
Next HiLow we need to see Aaron and Nolan on the High team and James and Jobe on the Low team.
Nolan was really feeling himself this ep lmao 😂
CLOUT GOOOOOD!!
James is literally a car guy Seth Rogen 😂
Punkie RR James is an unfunny Seth Rohan
I get Jack black
Keep it up boys!! Always enjoy a Donut break! Drive safe 🙌
0:13 why does this intro remind me of "is it a good idea to microwave this" xD
17 seconds from upload? Well, goodbye to another 17 mins of my sleep lol
Good morning
I’m buying some sticky new tires right now. I love how you all explain stuff
This series has a lot of valuable info from the experiments
@Green Giant shit doesn't need to be scientific to provide valuable info...
"I want a car that can break the rear end loose when I want to"
Well I have your solution: MORE POWAH BABY!
7:52 LOL, They forgot to take the sticker off the tread of the tire XD
Industry standards to leave em
I have xxr's exactly like those but they're gold and look amazing lmao I'm glad Nolan thinks so too haha 😂
For real tho those xxr wheels looked so good I actual went out and bought them for my e46
@10:10 the clip of the re71-r vs stock tires are swapped stock is on top