Weakened a strength to get rid of a weakness. Bad move. The 400 MK 1 is a very good saw and the Mag piston is a very good thing. Of course it was good for short term sales as me and plenty of others bought up the 400s
Why change the r00 at all,everyone loves it? Nobody was complaining about its weight or performance. The 362 didnt have a justifiable place in the market anymore,but that doesnt mean you should mess with its successor. Just make up your mind and produce a saw that you're gonna stick with and quit trying to be trendy. I own a ms400c and even with a 25" regular rollomatic es it weighs less than my old ms310 with a 20" rollomatic es and produces alot more power. By changing everything youre just messing up the parts availability for those of us that take care of our saws and keep them long term.
I’m really liking my 400C here in the US. I have added the WestCoast bark box which squeaks out a little extra power. I know tree service outfits that love them also. Just run a thin bar oil because the American version of this saw does not oil all that great. Thanks guys. PS: runs much better with a hungry full skip chain. It will eat more and not rev as high.
I don't want to hate man I love Stihl but the whole reason I wanted to upgrade to the 400 was the power running a 25 Inch bar without braking 1500 bucks
Pretty sure they are exactly the same minus the electronic carb vs standard. This is also dumb in my opinion, why 2 model numbers for the same saw? This is why they had the c added to the ms462 ect. Was ms 462 for regular carb and 462c for mtronic. The 363 & 400.1 is confusing if indeed it’s exactly the same saw minus a carb. Unless the 363 is choked down like some of the special vs xp series huskies.
@@christopherlehman4045 In Brazil the pollutant laws are lower so an electronic carburetor to reduce pollution does not make sense so much so that Sthil and husqvarna do not sell chainsaws here with these systems
They claim close to same output but looks kinda slow compared to my ms 400 even when it was completely stock. Maybe the wood is just that hard but I think they should have just dropped the 362 and kept current 400.
The model running in the video is a pre production / EB saw so isn't necessarily the finished ticket, the plastics where certainly proto / eb anyway. That could potentially affect it eg, MTRONIC program, the exhaust is also an unknown the outlet under the deflector was certainly small, couldn't disassemble to verify if it had any emissions equipment. They did have a static unit on display that looked to be a production version or at least a more refined engineering batch unit. It sounds a bit 500i esque so possibly has a little much intake duration and some slightly different port timing numbers, compared to the ms400.0 until a few reputable builders get hands on we won't know. The 300g lighter thing sounds impressive but that's compared to the 400.0 which is 5.8kg, compared with the 362 it's only 100 grams lighter. Though produces 0.2nm more torque
Dropping the 362 is fine. Its the same price point as the 400. But why mess with the 400? The saw they need to re-vamp is the 462. Put a magnesium piston in it and utilize some other tech to lighten it up and give it more power. The 400 seems like a great saw. Why fix whats not broken.
Blowdown and other timing of the ports can definitely affect the torque a saw makes. A smaller cylinder of better design can out perform the larger one. Even loosing. 4cc they can still make the same or better power if cylinder is designed correctly.
@@christopherlehman4045 I agree in part, I have a 346 ported that pulls a 24” easy. Rarely does oem make saws with such cylinder timing and aggressive porting… I will find out when this is available stateside
This really seems an odd decision driven by wonks rather than chainsaw operators. They should just drop the 362 if that's their prerogative, but dumbing down the current 400 doesn't seem advisable. I was really hoping for an update to the 462, lighter plus more power, but if this is the way they are thinking, perhaps it's best that they leave it alone!
Back to aluminum alloy from the magnesium alloy of the current 400c. They used the mag alloy to lighten the piston up to reduce stress on the 362 crank when going from 59cc to just under 67cc. Now it’s an all new saw with 63cc aluminum piston on a new crankshaft from what I’ve heard.
Yeah this is a very GB-centric interview. I'd say that for forestry, it's too small for most markets. Aus, NZ, US would all be after something bigger than this, wouldn't they?
@@andrewford80 yes for sure but it would be great for firewood as I’m looking at getting a 400 for that reason you don’t need to cut up big wood for that all the time ,I do have other saws but more is better 👍😉
I think stihl screwed the pooch here. Could have saved a lot of money by just dropping the 362 and sticking with the current 400. Somebody had to justify their job. Edit to add: the guy can't run a saw to save his life.
Ive never liked the 400... Seams to be a waste of time saw... 13lbs 4.5hp When you can just get a 462 that is 13.5lbs and has 6.0hp... Yes its more money but if you are buying a PRO saw and you are worried about 100 this way or that way you need to buy a 271 for 349.99 and get the free oil or whatever.. ANY tree guy that is doing this as a job wants the BEST most efficient machine to get work done well and fast. 1200 for a new 400 is FOOLISH to me... when you can buy a 462 for what 1350... YEA if its got a 25 inch light bar it might be 1450.. Worth every cent....
60cc saws to me have a small market and my 362 is a good saw but it just isnt a 70cc and its weight is 3 lbs more then a 50cc... So its kinda just odd... I LOVE LOVE my 261. It is awesome and Light SUPER LIGHT and screams... but its 50cc... You dont want to buck up 25 inch oak rounds all day with it.. Its just NOT a good BIG wood saw to buck... But smaller trees under 18 inches its AWSOME. clean up saw is also Awesome..
400 is 1100 up here and the 462 is 1350 or so. I’m sure the new 400 will be in between the 362 and current 400 price point to make it a larger spread yet. As far as your logic of the 400 being worthless because they make a 462 for a little more is a bit unrealistic. They make many saws that are close in price, size and weight so may as well just buy a 500i for a little more money because it’s only a little heavier and few hundred more.
You’ve got that horsepower number for the 400 backwards. It makes 5.4 hp and the 462 makes 5.9, so over $200 in price difference for less than half a horsepower extra. I’ve ran both, there’s not much seat of the pants difference between the two. In my opinion they should’ve kept the 362, bumped up the horsepower on the 400 a little and dropped the 462 instead.
I was gonna buy the 400 now i hafto save up for the 462 bevause im not getting that saw with less power for that amount of money im sure it wont run a 25 near as well if i buy a 400 now therw will be no parts
They need to supply parts for 10 Years after they stop selling the saw and actually a large number of 362 parts fit the current 400. The main parts that are different are the cases and cylinder but body parts ect are the same.
I can always tell a novice by the stance. They keep their legs straight and stand square to the cut. A pro will take up a boxer's stance, left leg in front with a soft bend in both knees. The head is held off to one side of the cut.
They had Husqvarna beat with the 400c and now that they’re replacing it, husky will reign supreme in the 60cc class with the 562xp mk2. Way to go stihl😂
Same cc as a 562 and almost same power as current 400 which is already lighter then a 562. Should still beat a 562 with a larger difference in weight but i still think the current 400 should have stayed
In my opinion this is a useless model! The weight is so similar to ms400 why not just go with the 400 and get the power that comes with it? And if you don't mind 1/2 lb more weight go with the 462 . Don't make sense to me. I have a ms 066 that's 20 years old that weights more than I care to carry all day so I bought a 500 I now that's a weight difference!!! And the 500 so far does the job well. I have a couple of ms362's that I will not be replacing for this new model.
Weakened a strength to get rid of a weakness. Bad move.
The 400 MK 1 is a very good saw and the Mag piston is a very good thing. Of course it was good for short term sales as me and plenty of others bought up the 400s
Crazy how they justify this. Less power and less weight. Well obviously it’s just better because they said so
Why change the r00 at all,everyone loves it? Nobody was complaining about its weight or performance. The 362 didnt have a justifiable place in the market anymore,but that doesnt mean you should mess with its successor. Just make up your mind and produce a saw that you're gonna stick with and quit trying to be trendy. I own a ms400c and even with a 25" regular rollomatic es it weighs less than my old ms310 with a 20" rollomatic es and produces alot more power. By changing everything youre just messing up the parts availability for those of us that take care of our saws and keep them long term.
Why is he operating the saw like that? Just hits the throttle and never lets off...wtf...
I’m really liking my 400C here in the US. I have added the WestCoast bark box which squeaks out a little extra power. I know tree service outfits that love them also. Just run a thin bar oil because the American version of this saw does not oil all that great. Thanks guys. PS: runs much better with a hungry full skip chain. It will eat more and not rev as high.
Interesting move, down speccing the current 400 and removing the 362. Did you hear any more about the 462 going?
You can tell he ain't no logger when he ran that saw
I love how everyone is already hating on it without having it tried or even seen a real test on it
I don't want to hate man I love Stihl but the whole reason I wanted to upgrade to the 400 was the power running a 25 Inch bar without braking 1500 bucks
@@haydenshores9943 I don’t think that 0,1 kw will be really noticable. But I guess we‘ll have to wait and see
@@olli_brb07 I hope not but I know it was 66cc I think now it's 62
Here in Brazil they are launching the ms 363 which I believe to be the same engine but carbureted 😅
Pretty sure they are exactly the same minus the electronic carb vs standard. This is also dumb in my opinion, why 2 model numbers for the same saw? This is why they had the c added to the ms462 ect. Was ms 462 for regular carb and 462c for mtronic. The 363 & 400.1 is confusing if indeed it’s exactly the same saw minus a carb. Unless the 363 is choked down like some of the special vs xp series huskies.
@@christopherlehman4045 In Brazil the pollutant laws are lower so an electronic carburetor to reduce pollution does not make sense so much so that Sthil and husqvarna do not sell chainsaws here with these systems
They claim close to same output but looks kinda slow compared to my ms 400 even when it was completely stock. Maybe the wood is just that hard but I think they should have just dropped the 362 and kept current 400.
The model running in the video is a pre production / EB saw so isn't necessarily the finished ticket, the plastics where certainly proto / eb anyway. That could potentially affect it eg, MTRONIC program, the exhaust is also an unknown the outlet under the deflector was certainly small, couldn't disassemble to verify if it had any emissions equipment. They did have a static unit on display that looked to be a production version or at least a more refined engineering batch unit. It sounds a bit 500i esque so possibly has a little much intake duration and some slightly different port timing numbers, compared to the ms400.0 until a few reputable builders get hands on we won't know. The 300g lighter thing sounds impressive but that's compared to the 400.0 which is 5.8kg, compared with the 362 it's only 100 grams lighter. Though produces 0.2nm more torque
Maybe it's also because the quy using it in the video is running it like a donut
Dropping the 362 is fine. Its the same price point as the 400. But why mess with the 400? The saw they need to re-vamp is the 462. Put a magnesium piston in it and utilize some other tech to lighten it up and give it more power. The 400 seems like a great saw. Why fix whats not broken.
I doubt the MK 2 or 400.1 will pull a 25” bar as well as the 400.
The 400.1 is on paper supposed to produce 0.2nm more than the 400.0 so potentially will favour a long bar, though who knows as yet
@@theautisticarborist6846 displacement of motor always effects the ability to pull bigger bars in my experience
Blowdown and other timing of the ports can definitely affect the torque a saw makes. A smaller cylinder of better design can out perform the larger one. Even loosing. 4cc they can still make the same or better power if cylinder is designed correctly.
@@christopherlehman4045 I agree in part, I have a 346 ported that pulls a 24” easy. Rarely does oem make saws with such cylinder timing and aggressive porting… I will find out when this is available stateside
This really seems an odd decision driven by wonks rather than chainsaw operators. They should just drop the 362 if that's their prerogative, but dumbing down the current 400 doesn't seem advisable. I was really hoping for an update to the 462, lighter plus more power, but if this is the way they are thinking, perhaps it's best that they leave it alone!
Instead of coming up with a new saw how about developing new gas and oil caps. The current ones suck.
Just change o rings its no problem easy fix. 👍
Are there any new clearing saws coming from Stihl?
I'll definitely stick with my 562 mark 2
I think this idea was a big flop, the current ms400c is right in the sweet spot
"alloy" piston... what is it... steel alloy.. aluminum alloy... magnesium alloy.. Brittle pot metal is an alloy.
Back to aluminum alloy from the magnesium alloy of the current 400c.
They used the mag alloy to lighten the piston up to reduce stress on the 362 crank when going from 59cc to just under 67cc. Now it’s an all new saw with 63cc aluminum piston on a new crankshaft from what I’ve heard.
Why the heck isn’t it fuel injected like the 500i?
Cost.
So could we be talking more plastic as well?
To small for Australia the 400 it’s self doesn’t enter the forest industry but the firewood scene
It fits in so probably the same outcome for this 😉👍
Yeah this is a very GB-centric interview. I'd say that for forestry, it's too small for most markets. Aus, NZ, US would all be after something bigger than this, wouldn't they?
@@andrewford80 yes for sure but it would be great for firewood as I’m looking at getting a 400 for that reason you don’t need to cut up big wood for that all the time ,I do have other saws but more is better 👍😉
@@atvcampingadventures1728 more is definitely better :)
I think stihl screwed the pooch here. Could have saved a lot of money by just dropping the 362 and sticking with the current 400. Somebody had to justify their job.
Edit to add: the guy can't run a saw to save his life.
Nice. 👍
Less cc, less power, less saw 🤦
im waiting for an ms300 built around the 261 chassis, with fuel injection preferably
Very doubtful it will happen since it would probably be over 1000$ to buy a 45-50cc saw
Send me one to review !!!!!
MS 500i or MS 720 😀❤️😀❤️ and The 201TC-M 😊
Ive never liked the 400... Seams to be a waste of time saw... 13lbs 4.5hp When you can just get a 462 that is 13.5lbs and has 6.0hp... Yes its more money but if you are buying a PRO saw and you are worried about 100 this way or that way you need to buy a 271 for 349.99 and get the free oil or whatever.. ANY tree guy that is doing this as a job wants the BEST most efficient machine to get work done well and fast. 1200 for a new 400 is FOOLISH to me... when you can buy a 462 for what 1350... YEA if its got a 25 inch light bar it might be 1450.. Worth every cent....
60cc saws to me have a small market and my 362 is a good saw but it just isnt a 70cc and its weight is 3 lbs more then a 50cc... So its kinda just odd... I LOVE LOVE my 261. It is awesome and Light SUPER LIGHT and screams... but its 50cc... You dont want to buck up 25 inch oak rounds all day with it.. Its just NOT a good BIG wood saw to buck... But smaller trees under 18 inches its AWSOME. clean up saw is also Awesome..
400 is 1100 up here and the 462 is 1350 or so. I’m sure the new 400 will be in between the 362 and current 400 price point to make it a larger spread yet. As far as your logic of the 400 being worthless because they make a 462 for a little more is a bit unrealistic. They make many saws that are close in price, size and weight so may as well just buy a 500i for a little more money because it’s only a little heavier and few hundred more.
@@LiveFreeOrRIPI love my 562xpw, ❤❤
You’ve got that horsepower number for the 400 backwards. It makes 5.4 hp and the 462 makes 5.9, so over $200 in price difference for less than half a horsepower extra. I’ve ran both, there’s not much seat of the pants difference between the two. In my opinion they should’ve kept the 362, bumped up the horsepower on the 400 a little and dropped the 462 instead.
I was gonna buy the 400 now i hafto save up for the 462 bevause im not getting that saw with less power for that amount of money im sure it wont run a 25 near as well if i buy a 400 now therw will be no parts
They need to supply parts for 10
Years after they stop selling the saw and actually a large number of 362 parts fit the current 400. The main parts that are different are the cases and cylinder but body parts ect are the same.
Sounds like 162
Я знаю почему он пилит не сбавляя газ потому что у неё провалы
I thought the Germans are supposed to be smart. This doesn't make sense. Impractical 🙃
Hilarious watching the guy use a saw, wouldn't lend him a saw, definitely not saw man, not able to sharpen a saw either.
Most definitely not
@@wilfuller1699 100% brother.
I can always tell a novice by the stance. They keep their legs straight and stand square to the cut. A pro will take up a boxer's stance, left leg in front with a soft bend in both knees. The head is held off to one side of the cut.
They had Husqvarna beat with the 400c and now that they’re replacing it, husky will reign supreme in the 60cc class with the 562xp mk2. Way to go stihl😂
Same cc as a 562 and almost same power as current 400 which is already lighter then a 562. Should still beat a 562 with a larger difference in weight but i still think the current 400 should have stayed
It’s obvious that guy has very little experience running a chainsaw
In my opinion this is a useless model! The weight is so similar to ms400 why not just go with the 400 and get the power that comes with it? And if you don't mind 1/2 lb more weight go with the 462 . Don't make sense to me. I have a ms 066 that's 20 years old that weights more than I care to carry all day so I bought a 500 I now that's a weight difference!!! And the 500 so far does the job well. I have a couple of ms362's that I will not be replacing for this new model.
Lol
Gay