Fun fact: here in Denmark (and probably other countries too), the term 'volapyk' (where the y is pronounced just like the german ü), is a term that basicly means gibberish.
I made a language up when I was a kid. I made a grammatical system and writing system and everything. It actually stuck with me so I occasionally think in it and speak it to myself. Linguistics is fun C:
I have a third group of people who make languages: Those who do it for fun. (edit: aha, the ending) One of my best friends has created several functioning languages in his free time as a hobby, just because he can. Inspired by real languages, improving on others, infusing past and present languages, or just creating absurdly difficult ones, he doesn't do this to change the world, he does it because why not!
@@newcantinacrispychickentac7754 It was 2 years ago, but that sounds right, I made that comment near the end, but not at it, so when I continued watching, the video mentioned this group when it sounded before like they wouldn't.
its actually fun to learn languages rather than everyone speak the same language, I almost created one language for a country I invented but I just gave up and decided the country would speak Spanish with a weird accent. I speak 3 languages one isn't fluent but i can survive with it. plus I'm learning 3 more .
I cant learn another language to save my life. If someone said i had 5 years to learn a different language than English, any language at all, and if I didn't by those 5 years I would be executed, I'd be facing a firing squad in 5 years. I failed taking a language class in every year of school. Just can't do it. My only regret is that the British didn't spread English far enough.
DarkSpyro707 It's mostly mental. I would suggest choosing a language really similar to English to start with. The Scandinavian languages (Norwegian in particular) is pretty similar in terms of grammar (with little differences here and there. The rest is all dedication. Once you've got going with another language learning more becomes progressively easier. I tried learning French in high school but sorta gave up. I went back to it afterwards and it was much easier the second time and then I found German sooo much easier because I found a system that worked for me. So, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, or Norwegian are what I'd recommend to try to learn as a second language if you're up for it.
@homzz não é verdade cara! Eu aprendi português com duolingo por 3 meses e depois 6 semanas na escola em Copacabana em 2017...ok, agora eu esqueço vocabulário e faço erros come gramatica mas geralmente foi fácil para mim e sou INGLÉS! Nos não falamos outro idiomas kkk gringões!
@@dustsettles6099 Nossa, eu nunca vi alguém que decidiu aprender português por se mesmo virar fluente, parabéns !! Você também fala outras línguas ? Eu sou brasileira mas aprendi francês depois de vir morar no Canadá, e aprendi inglês por mim mesma. Acho idiomas estrangeiros irados kkkkk
Once you have free time. Could you make a video on Lojban and how it works differently than other languages? It seems like a very interesting language, and I'd like to see it explored.
As an Esperantist, I can tell you that there are three types of Esperantists: Finvenkists; those who think that Esperanto should become a second language for all; a neutral international language. Raŭmists (translated Wikipedia, I personally like the wording) ; those who follow the Manifest of Rauma (1980) which criticizes the goal of the original Esperanto movement and declares the total of all Esperantists like "a self chosen diasporic linguistical minority". "Diasporic" meaning "spread around the world". And the ones who don't really care and just like using it, mostly in international communication. I literally have just one problem with the language: I still don't have a good word for "to care" as in "to be concerned about" or rather "to give a damn". All translations seem too positive.
+Kriso de la Erikejo Esperanto has many many thousands of root words + word formation and still you can't find good translations for those? Well, what could you expect from Esperanto haha I stopped learning it because the vocabulary was too damn huge, didn't wanna waste time on it.
***** The problem with the word is that in English, Dutch and German, (3 of the 5 languages I speak), it isn't a one word term, and I know for a fact that looking for 1:1 translations for languages is a lost cause all together, but all languages seem to have it, but as for Eo, hadn't found it yet. Mi ne estas koncerninta, however, seems to work for mi... So yeah if you're interested: EN: I don't care. NL: Ik geef er niets om. (I don't give anything about it) DE: Das ist mir egal. (To me, that's unimportant) and JP: それは構わない。/Sore wa kamawanai (As for that, it's not concerned about)
thisismycoolnickname Well that's true for all languages, and for the exceptions I've seen (all artificial), they don't work. Esperanto works just fine, the amount of vocabulary you need to learn is very small compared to other languages, especially if you know how to work with the affixes. If Esperanto has too many words, then learning languages, may just not be for you.
+Kriso de la Erikejo it is not "very small compared to other languges. It is a little bit smaller, not significantly. Learning languages is not for me? That sounds really funny, provided that I speak 6 languages fluently, and many more at an intermediate level. I said I didn't wanna waste my time because Esperanto is quite useless.
Guys, he has a video about how his name is pronounced. It originated as a "h" sound for the "x" like in lojban, but he eventually changed it to zidnaf.
honestly I don't think so. English is already very dominant and will remain the world language for a long time probably. Esperanto is fairly similar to Spanish though which might help considering the big Spanish-speaking population of South and Central America.
+Alejandro Matos Anguis *!!WARNING!! Wall of text incoming* The sounds of Esperanto might be extremely easy for you if you speak, say, English or a Slavic language as your native language. The problem is that Esperanto is supposed to be international, yet it is more or less just Polish without retroflexes and palatals. With respect to problems of being international, the first one is the large number of sibilants. Esperanto distinguishes 4 different coronal sibilants (/s z ʃ ʒ/) (as well as four affricates with the same voicing and POA). Both the voicing distinction is a problem as well as the fact that there is a distinction between alveolars and post-alveolars (aka. alveolopalatals) (/s/ vs. /ʃ/ and /z/ vs. /ʒ/). For a large number of people, that is a difficult distinction. Some languages do away with fricatives as a whole, for example most aboriginal languages of Australia. This doesn't mean that you have to skip fricatives alltogether, but a number of analyses I have seen suggest that for an international auxlang you should limit yourself to /s/ and no more. I mentioned voicing distinction earlier and that is potentially also a problem. Esperanto has a voicing distinction in both fricatives and plosives (f.ex. /s/ vs. /z/ and /p/ vs. /b/). A lot of people might also struggle with that, especially on picking up the difference when listening. Roughly a quarter of 567 languages surveyed in a study had no voicing distinctions. For an idea of how it might feel for a monolingual speaker of such a language to have to distinguish between /p/ and /b/, try listening to some Punjabi for example and try to tell which plosives are aspirated (like the k in kill) and which ones are not (like the k in skill). Thirdly, there is a distinction between /x/ and /h/ as well as a distinction between /r~ɾ/ and /l/. These distinctions are also lacking in a number of languages, which either just have one of each pair, something in between the two or have the two different sounds function as the same sound and getting interpreted as that by the speakers (or none of them). For an example think of the Japanese r or Korean where /h/ is [x] before /ɯ/. This means that picking up on these distinctions might be hard for speakers of such languages. Lastly there is the fact that Esperanto allows quite large clusters (f.ex. *str*anga "strange" and i*nstr*ui "teach"). This is a problem because a significant number of people in the world would find it hard to pronounce such clusters. A large number of languages allows only V and CV syllables, and an even larger group of languages allows no syllables more complex than CLV where L is a liquid of a glide such as /w/ or /j/ (equal to the y in you). For an example of languages wich allow only (C)V syllables, take a look at the Polynesian languages such as Hawai'ian, Tongan or Maori. And all of this rampant eurocentrism is without even getting started on the vocabulary and to a lesser extent the grammar which is so centered on Romance and Slavic languages that i have heard Esperanto described as "looking like a weird Polish-Italian pidgin" To summarize: No, the sound of Esperanto are not easy for a very significant portion of the World's population
gustav hl That's a very good point, but I only said that its sounds where easy because that comment was in english. My mother language is spanish and I have been researching information about different languages for about 6 years, so there wasn't a single sounds that I haven't seen or learned when I discovered esperanto. That only applies for people who stick to their mother languages (and most of them are english native speakers). What you say is true but at least for me and the person I replied, esperanto's sounds shouldn't represent a challenge.
+gustav hl I agree its sounds are problematic I think Japanese phonetics are a good model for an ease of pronunciation but that make words very long. Also the European tense structure doesn't translate well into some languages.
+Qio Cio "I think Japanese phonetics are a good model for an ease of pronunciation but that make words very long." -- the same thing is said about Polynesian languages. One of the differences between Loglan and Lojban is Loglan tried to keep down the number of phonemes, and in that, it was said to be following Polynesian, although not completely so, as Loglan had a distinction between "t" and "k".
"Lojban is like spoken computer code" But that brings up an interesting idea. Can you make computer code written entirely in lojban and have a computer interperet it?
+BlueUmbrella Heinlein suggested that in a novel. Moreover, computer parsers exist for Loglan and Lojban. For the latter, it used to be, and may still be, the practice of people maintaining the grammar, before proposing any addition to the grammar, that the algorithmic parser could handle it unambiguously. I used to be involved with the Lojbanists but have not been for a while.
(I don't speak lojban so I'm basically guessing) Probably not, because it still can't be unambiguous without being really long, at which point it would be better to just use a normal programming language. For example you can't just say "eat the cake," as it would have no idea what cake you're talking about
lojban (from what ive seen) is just a really inefficient version of computer code. there's a bunch of extra shit to change ""word order"" and it's (inconveniently for everybody) not written in any known language. io mean it'd be fine if it was written in english or some other natural language, but its literally shit cause its not a language anybody else knows. computer code is hard enough to understand, now we have some more shit.. other thna that though, if you translate the entirety of Lojban into syntax for a scripting language (i dont think Binary would work), it'd prolly work. as long as you get rid of emphasis systems and random rearranging; all the stuff that computers just dont need.
+ashley beaumont class hello { func static int initalContact() { int selectGreeting= 0; input greeting number; return selectGreeting; } static func greetings(int) { string "HelloWorld"; string "Hi"; string "god wtf am I doing right now :D"; string "heyhey"; } } int main { hello.greetings(hello.initalContact()); } //hell of a way to talk but it works :p
as someone who speaks three vastly different languages (english, czech and japanese), I'm supporter of Worfian Hypothesis. I mean, until this video I didn't even know such a hypothesis actually exists, but I sort of had that opinion already, because depending on which language I'm currently using, the way I think changes.
One time I made my own language, called "Shuudnibruktimavushtok" which made several derivations of Greek, Russian, and German. It was cool, but I lost my notes for it, so it's kinda gone. :(
+Ittoqqortoormiit From the Land of Green “ᐃᓄᔨᒌᑦᑑᓗᐊᖅᑐᑎᒃ” Hey man, when I was at the University I also made a language. It was based on short words to move tenses and I wrote a huge vocabulary based in onomatopoeias. I used to write my agenda or even hide information... Probably if I find some of these notes I won't get read them. Hehehe... Sad end.
+Ittoqqortoormiit From the Land of Green “ᐃᓄᔨᒌᑦᑑᓗᐊᖅᑐᑎᒃ” I was also developing a conlang when playing on NationStates, but i abandoned it because i had almost no time for developing it, and instead chose Italian.
+Ittoqqortoormiit „ᐃᓄᔨᒌᑦᑑᓗᐊᖅᑐᑎᒃ“ From the Land of Green Bummer. Didn't you try to reconstruct it since then? Grammar and syntax doesn't seem like the kind of stuff you'd forget. If the notes contained mostly vocabulary though, I can see how you'd have to reinvent it for the largest part. If I lost the notes for my conlanguage, there wouldn't be much I could forget, since so far I was mostly busy with rules, guidelines, and concepts, and barely dared coming up with vocabulary, haha.
A universal language would never work unless we all shared the same ethnicity, culture, climate, politics, etc. As a person who is bilingual, I understand that languages always complement the culture and society in which they're spoken. English, although harder than many languages, just won because of imperialism. Otherwise, if the goal was to really turn a language into the international standard of communication that most people could understand, English wouldn't have made it to the short list.
yes, we don't want a language that's "universal" in the sense that we stop using all other languages. We Esperantists want one neutral (not belonging to any specific group) language that's easy to learn to become the default for *international* use
Oh man, your animations are *hilarious*! You had me cracking up through the whole thing; I especially loved the two sign-wavers with swirly eyes. Your stick figures are so expressive; I love it! I also am very interested in languages, and conlangs in particular. My only complaint about this video is that the text at the end goes by too fast to read it, so fast that I had to try several times just to pause in the right spots!
As an Esperantist (I even work for an Esperanto organisation so Esperanto is the language we use in the office and I use with my flatmate) it's nice to see a fair explanation of the language and its history. Too often videos about Esperanto are condescending or factually wrong. One small error, while Kim is raising his children as second generation native speakers, he's not the only one. There's even a third generation native speaker. blogs.transparent.com/esperanto/3rd-gen-native-esperanto-speaker-nils/
@Popalupa: That argument is valid if you're talking about Interlingua or Latino sine flexione or Lingua Franca Nova, but not for Esperanto. Half of the vocab of Esperanto is based on Romance languages, but the grammar is quite different. No irregular verbs, no 6 finite forms per tense, no grammatical gender.
@@ronaldonmg and even if only one continent learned it as a whole (obviously Europe), that means individuals from the rest of the world only need to learn the one language if they want to communicate with all of europe. Plus, it wouldn't be like learning the mess that is english.
Fionn Gallag As somebody who programs regularly, when I’m around my programming peers we start speaking in what we’ve dubbed “spoken sudo code”. Half the time, we aren’t even making “sentences” to other people, we are literally saying programming statements and communicating just fine
The creators of Interlingua studied other auxlangs before creating the language, including Esperanto and Ido. So, while Interlingua is in no way a fork of Esperanto, and its goals are quite different, it was influenced by Esperanto. To say people "spun off and created [Interlingua as an] Esperanto inspired rival" is not exactly true, but it also isn't true to say that "it doesn't have anything to do with Esperanto." The history of Interlingua is more complicated than that.
I've made up my own language that I guess could be considered a cipher language--there are special 'rules' so certain letter arraingments end up different than normally 'translated.' Some letters have multiple pronunciations, can chance the pronunciation of other letters, or are silent. Some nouns have their own word. It's simple, really. All you need to know are the 'rules' and the cipher and you can translate any word. "I love watching the sun rise in the morning." = "Naj khene nuksxa'n sx jin haj an sx mehna'n." Which would sound like: "Nay kenay nooksya'n si jean hai an si menan." I started it years ago with my friends while we played Star Fox Adventures, which utilized a similar cipher language. We used to bug our parents so much xP
Yes definitely. In fact, he should also do a video about the higher Nostratic Superfamily of languages, and hypotheses of links between PIE, Uralic, even turkic, etc..
This was rather insightful, and thanks for the referral to Artifexian. I am one of the fantasy writers who has been tending to a massive garden of culture and languages in my book's world (though the book itself has barely been started), and I have poured more energy into crafting the languages, races, religions, lexicon, and worldviews of this place than I have with the characters, story, or major conflicts. I'm building this giant machine, and once I hit play, everything is going to start moving and it'll be near impossible to change the ethos. Incidentally, my name, the Astral Lexicon, is the name of the 'template of the mother language', which I have currently dubbed 'Astrian' (pending a better name). Maybe one day you'll hear about my story or see the book on the shelves. Keep an eye out for the 'Arcana Chronicles', 'The Dark Advent Trilogy', or the first book 'The Twilight's Requiem'.
A friend of mine in college was working on a language for his fantasy book. And it was dope! He did what you were talking about where each letter has a meaning, but also much more. I don't remember everything because its been years but I was blown away by it
I'm actually currently making a language right now, but it's a SERIOUS pain in the ass. I've decided I'll start with the pronounciation for each individual letter, assign each letter a symbol (so there will be a new alphabet), then make all of the grammar rules, then create a working keyboard layout and font. It's hard work, but it's great fun to do :) I recommend you should try making one if you have the time :P EDIT : Btw I'm making my language because I think it will help me understand the IPA better and it's just a hell a lot of fun to do :D
3:41 Interlingua's preeeeeetty different form Esperanto. I say that as someone who is competent in Interlingua and has a passing familiarity with Esperanto. I guess it's ideologically inspired by Esperanto to an extent, but putting it on the same ground as Ido, which is basically a dialect of Esperanto, is unfair.
Interlingua is pretty cool because it's instantly understandable to any native speaker of a Romance Language (Interlingua es comprehensibile a prime vista!). Even as a monolingual English speaker, people can get the gist of it. I don't really like Interlingua for that reason alone, though. Nor do I have any delusions it'll ever be anything other than a curiosity. I fell in love with it because of all the constructed languages, Interlingua is the most poetic and "natural" sounding. It rolls off the tongue very well and lends itself nicely to poetry and prose. More human and less artificial than Esperanto etc. I never actually learned Esperanto, but I'm familiar enough with it to know the basic mechanics of it.
Love the video! I've been playing around with the basics in planning my own conlang. Thought I'd just mention that though it is very true that languages have been imposed through military superpowers, the main motivation for people learning English today is the economic and political benefits of being able to communicate internationally. In other words, people choose to learn the language because it opens doors, not because someone is shoving it down their throats (well, maybe their own government is shoving it down their throats, but that's their own debate to have).
Nicholas Gergetz yes, but imperialism is the reason they’re specifically learning English, because it was spread around the world a lot of people used it as the main international language which caused more people to learn it because it was being used so much, and repeat
I've always loved the idea of creating a language. When I was a kid I actually tried making one with my friend. It was a sign language we could use to talk without anyone else knowing what we were saying, but I've forgotten most of it. Recently I've started creating a con language for a story I'm working on that's gonna be spoken by one of the protagonists who's a plant alien. You're videos have been very helpful to me while trying to make it!
Now that's some strange foreshadowing: You set up the video to be only about IALs and philosophical languages, and then you go and misspell "Whorfian" as "Worfian" to hint at what drops in at 8:00: languages of fictional cultures like Klingon.
wondered why you weren't in my feed lately and realized I wasn't subscribed, shortly after panic ensued I found this video. thanks again for your contribution to the community!
I'm creating a language for my story, and one of my favourite things is figuring out how culture and history interact with the language, and the etymology of words is so much fun too, I end up inventing obsolete words just to give still used words a etymological connection. And I have a bit of a love for yin/yang vowels so they plays a big part in my language - language making is so much fun dude! grammatically the language is based on Korean with a little bit of English thrown in though because inventing grammar is more of a headache than I signed up for!
Ironically, artificial auxilary languages just make the issues they are made to fix worse. For example, "The first [reason people are creating conlangs] is that people get sick of having to learn lots of languages in order to communicate with lots of groups of people" - making another language just makes it worse, because now there are even more languages to learn, and now there is even more disagreement on which language should be the global lingua franca. And about the thing with native speakers of the lingua franca not having to learn it while everyone else has to learn it - this problems just comes back when the auxilary language gets popular enough, because now there are native speakers of for example Esperanto.
7:48 When Edgar actually shows up to help. And now that I’ve actually seen this video, it explains that Edgar decided to provide help only to have help of his own. I feel that conlang creators and linguists should adopt Good Samaritan policies and lend help to rookie language creators. Actually, what is Xidnaf’s problem with nerds and nerdy things anyway? They’re actually neat and interesting to majorities, like D&D, which I haven’t played. Also, this is my first time seeing a video by him that isn’t the first video by him I’ve seen, which talks about writing systems.
Xidnaf That's cool! Although I'm not entirely sure what it means. There's no rafsi "xid" and naf is a rafsi of natfe, which means "controdicter". In addition, words have to end in vowels so "na'e" might have been better, but if you're using a cmevla I suppose "naf" works just fine.
Your reaction to getting involved with Artexian’s conlang at the end of the vid is EXACTLY my brother’s reaction any time I pull him aside to look at my latest iteration of my alphabet or any basic thing really. Plus I’m bad at explaining my work so I just show him my work and watch as his mind goes blank and his jaw drops. 😂❤ I love it.
I'm making a conlang. Two, if you want to get technical, but I only have the alphabet created for the second one. No grammar at all and almost no vocabulary. The main one has some grammar and several pages worth of short definitions. I'm building the root morphemes at the moment to allow the language to develop more naturally. It is SOV with prepositional particles, and there are pairs of morphemes for a number of ideas: one bound, and one unbound (I call the bound ones "states" as a direct translation of what they would be called in the language... State as in state of being, not political state). Most morphemes are either cv or cvc, though some morphemes imported from the other language include ccvc and cvcc. There are no two syllable or three syllable morphemes. The alphabet for my primary language is built in syllable blocks like Korean, but consonant blends will all have their own symbols, so I am going to keep them limited to save time. St- and -ts will be the same symbol, -sk and -ks are the same symbol, br and rb are the same, kr and rk are the same etc. Phonologically, it should be relatively easy for native English speakers except for the voiceless flap (and the fact there are very few allophones, so applying English phonological rules may hurt them in THAT respect). There are 6 vowels, bilabial stops, alveolar stops, velar stops, bilabial and alveolar nasals, flaps, a voiced alveolar lateral approximant, a retroflex approximant, alveolar fricatives, alveopalatal fricatives and affricates, and labio-dental fricatives. It uses a verbalized question marker like Japanese, but at the start of a sentence. The marker, la, also marks question words like who, what, where, etc (lat'ki, lapin, lakut). This allows for easy distinction between question words like "What do I want" and statements like "This is what I wanted" without making them conceptually disparate (something that bugs me slightly about Japanese) My most important goal for development of the language is a robust root morpheme list, and after that everything can be developed naturally (it is agglutinative). The most difficult part of making a new language is anticipating need.
You need to someday do a video completely dedicated to Lojban. That would be awesome. Also, if you ever get around to studying it in-depth, do a video on Ithkuil, another unambiguous language like Lojban except ten times crazier.
At 1:29 there was an Irish flag implying that Irish people do not learn a language and grow up knowing English. This is actually incorrect, as in Ireland we learn Geailge (Gaelic) while already speaking English regularly. On top of this we can also choose to learn another language such as Spanish, French and German. I just thought I would point it out to anyone who might want to know :)
The moment I found your channel and discovered it's theme, I wanted to suggest you give your take on artificial languages. Imagine my delight when I find it already in place and everything I was hoping it could be. Really great stuff.
I made or at least want to make a language because it would be fucking funny and so I don’t have to learn Spanish to pass high school because all of the rules are confusing if I make it I know all of the rules
Alejandro Matos Anguis The problem for me is if I don't write down my thoughts as soon as I have them, they pretty much vanish forever. Like 90% of the time when I have a good idea for my language it's when I don't have access to my notes. I find making the grammar relatively easy and exciting. Developing vocabulary is a little more of a challenge for me.
+64imma Well, I have many pages of notes on my language, but I can't use the language without the notes. I'm even too lazy to learn my own language properly xD
i still suggest to learn Esperanto..there have been tons of novels articles books published in Esperanto, and there are huge global community when you travel. I came to Italy 3 years ago with no knowledge of Italian, but with basics of Esperanto, I magically handled the pronunciation and grammar pretty well, and faster than my peers.
Second solution to the problem of fairness in an international standard language: revive a “dead” language. Latin, Classical Greek, Akkadian, or Sumerian as an international language would go crazy.
I made my own alphabet in grade two, I tried to make my own language but struggled for obvious reasons! I'm 21 now and can still write and read my own code, its just a party trick and a way to keep journals private now. In grade 5 I had a few friends that bothered learning enough to pass notes in class, that was fun! love your content!
I have also created my own language, but it's still in it's infancy. So it will take some time before grammar/phoenic rules and more is added in, the language i made is meant to be a "new" version of Norwegian more similar to languages like, Faroese, Nynorn and Nynorsk (though Nynorsk isn't a language.) It's also "roughly" based on the dialect of Norwegian that i speak.
Cleiven X - then imma make a scientific paper that literally explains how I cured a major disease and use informal language throughout and nobody can argue with me because I literally helped to save people’s love. What they gonna do about it? Complain?
Kottonkandy09 scholarly articles are written in the past tense from what I can recall off the top of my head. Besides, the entire reason they're written formally is to make them easier to translate, to reduce misinterpretations of the content, and _sounding_ credible is a third of the way to being credible. No one would take your papers seriously if you didn't adhere to the standards of writing everyone else in your field does. That's why, as a mechanical engineer, I still had to take English 101, 102, and Technical Writing. The 101 and 102 were bullshit, argumentative-focused classes in which the bias of the teachers made 80% of your grade but they were necessary to develop a concrete understanding of how english functions technically. The Technical Writing class taught the different formats for certain reports, e-mails, portfolios, instructions, surveys, job applications, and I think even a brochure for some product we had to market. You know, the shit that actually makes the world go 'round that anyone with an actual practical job might need to do.
Ikr. But people have tried to make a laungage, that was a combination of all written languages: Volapyk. I't didn't become popular, so maybe people did the reverse, in hopes of that catching on.
Not really. Constructed languages intended as auxiliary languages are always way more simplistic and consistent than any natural language. Simplicity and consistency, especially combined with elements of lots of different languages means the language is easy to learn for almost everyone. Meanwhile English is a nightmare mainly due to: uncommon sounds, too many sounds, non-phonetic spelling, inconsistent morphology, inconsistent phonology. The whole thing is inconsistent in almost every way, it means you have to learn by rote memorisation. Not following simple and clear rules. Due to this, it's really hard to make a language that is harder to learn.
Volapük was made by one guy called Schleyer. It failed because it was too complex, because Schleyer refused all reforms, and because it was intended for the elite ("the educated people"). Esperanto was created by one guy called Zamenhof, and succeded because Zamenhof allowed democraticly supported reforms and intended the language for ordinary people.
Pennsylvania, communism is a type of economy in which people work according to ability and receive according to need. It has nothing to do with the topic here.
PegasYs :) Thanks, but I like things the way they are. This way I get to point people towards a different under-appreciated song at the end of each video!
I did invent my own language, mainly for fun and for an experiment. I tested how languages change and my language is a mix of English, Italian, and Spanish (and other few languages). My language is also decent of Latin. It is a beautiful mix.
I too made my own language for fun. It has a 50 page document on its grammar, over 2000 words, and an entire writing system with 40 letters. Yes this took over a decade. I actually translated the entire script of The Dark Crystal for fun years ago and have a video on my channel narrating the opening in it. It's the lowest viewed video I have because in the end it's just something I made for me. The closest this language has to use is just the writing system in English as a sort of anywhere-I-want diary, I can vent out frustrations and what I'm thinking and no one can read it.
The game company Bethesda made an entire language called Dragon Tongue (or Dovahzuul) just for their game, The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. They even made an alphabet to go along with it.
It's probably good to point out that Sapir-Whorf isn't really accepted by linguists anymore. It now seems more likely that culture affects language and not the other way around.
if all human use one common language that is different to all the language out there, then in the future, our knowledge will be lost, because people can't read and understand what we are saying except for few people who studies archaeology. And another thing is, people is gonna branch off that one language, and eventually back to multi-languages.
Loads of knowledge will be lost if we stop using entire languages, yes, regardless of whether the remaining language is a constructed language or an ethnic one.
I doubt it. For instance, English has a _massive_ text and now audio base for future people to refer to. Even if English becomes a dead language, it would still be learnable because there's just such a massive amount of resources to extrapolate information from. It'd be like the world's largest game of sudoku. You'd have the word "Party", and it'd need to fit in the sentence "I'm having a birthday party." as well as the sentence "My party and I went on an adventure." with it also clearly not appearing in sentences like "I spoke to my friend yesterday." and "I had cereal for breakfast." So then you'd try to find what the definition for "Party" was despite not knowing a single one of those words. Now, party might have been a bad example, it's far more likely that if all information on English was lost, articles would be the first to be rediscovered, words like "The". Not only do you have all of English to pull from though, but you have all language ever to pull from, with similar words and the same word in alternate languages. You can very much start at 0% comprehension. Imagine playing a game of sudoku where all the numbers are replaced with alien symbols. You can still solve all the missing pieces, even if you don't know what the symbols mean. Context of where every word goes and where every word doesn't go would be debated by future linguists, just like how today linguists reconstruct the Proto-Indo-European Language despite there being literally _no written words ever._ We will never forget English or any other language, unless there's an active effort to make the world forget.
We could. We had a very minor understanding of the language. The Rosetta Stone simply exploded our understanding and was monumental in helping us understand. We could translate a few hieroglyphs, but due to how few surviving examples we had, we could never be sure. The best bets we had were reconstructions based on Coptic and Demotic before we discovered the Stone, which were very helpful but not definitive, just as we right now have words that exist for Proto-Indo-European, despite no one being alive to hear them and being before writing was invented. There is too much preservation these days for anything but an intentional effort to reduce the sample sizes we have of English and other languages to the scarcity of the Egyptian language. ...and you have to remember that Egyptian went through many forms. They existed for many thousands of years. English only 200 years ago would be hard to understand. You go back to when English was called Aenglic, you're not going to understand anything, and that was only 600 years ago. So imagine all the hieroglyphs that exist. Depending on the year they were made, gives us entirely different languages. Most Hieroglyphs are Middle Egyptian luckily, but that is still a different language from Archaic Egyptian, Old Egyptian, Late Middle Egyptian, Medio-Late Egyptian, Neo-Middle Egyptian, etc. etc. So the Rosetta Stone wasn't even that helpful at deciphering all hieroglyphs. Just a few.
This video was surprisingly useful for me as a realized that what I'm doing right now is a philosophical conlang of English where I'm on a sort of quest to return lost features to Modern English. I'm still trying to keep things semi-palatable to those who may not be used to it and I'll be making edits to make compromise towards what would normally be mutually exclusive such-as the Old English letter Wynn.
as someone who studies latin i quite like the idea of it as a revived auxillary language; i find it to be very logical and able to make clear distinction between different grammatical functions that can take away some of the vaugeness, which would be helpful due to the variance in grammar in different languages. it isn't too shabby either that many european languages and therefore, languages influenced by european languages, borrow a lot from latin vocabulary. maybe i'm biased as a native english speaker but i think if it was a lingua franca of the past, why couldn't it be again?
Why did you not mention the other reason?
People make languages to keep
s e c re T s
precisely why i have memorized the braille, khuzdul, and inuktitut scripts
point
r/wooosh
se-k-re-T- s
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Fun fact: here in Denmark (and probably other countries too), the term 'volapyk' (where the y is pronounced just like the german ü), is a term that basicly means gibberish.
+edvid Esperantists have an insult that literally means Volapükist
Lige det jeg tænkte da jeg hørte det navn :p
edvid a That's cause lots of languages insult other languages that are weird to them.
Lucile Francois. It's all Greek to me.
I thought the Danish word for gibberish was dansk
Too bad we'll never see a kid brought up to speak Lojban as their first language. That would require the types of people that speak Lojban to breed.
I would be offended if that were not true.
My sister was brought up with lojban around the house, she understands it but never speaks it for some reason
i doubt speaking lojban makes you smart enough to not breed
@@johnjonjhonjonathanjohnson3559 okay edgelord, acting like not wanting kids makes you "better" than other people is not as cool as you think it is.
DatOneWeirdo
That’s like me with filipino
I'm one of the "Languages suck in so many ways but are really cool" people.
I’m one of the “languages are cool because they suck in so many ways”
Same. Some things about languages piss me off but some things are really interesting
I made a language up when I was a kid. I made a grammatical system and writing system and everything. It actually stuck with me so I occasionally think in it and speak it to myself. Linguistics is fun C:
Rero Funk
Make a website and publish everything. Don't let it die
@@escaflowne3791 ^^
I also made one cause I’m bored in life xddd!
Yo same!
me too!!! …i should actually go back and figure out if i could do anything with it…
I have a third group of people who make languages: Those who do it for fun.
(edit: aha, the ending)
One of my best friends has created several functioning languages in his free time as a hobby, just because he can. Inspired by real languages, improving on others, infusing past and present languages, or just creating absurdly difficult ones, he doesn't do this to change the world, he does it because why not!
I do it for a fictional world
What do you mean by "edit: aha, the ending"? Did you not watch the video that you just made a comment about?
@@newcantinacrispychickentac7754 It was 2 years ago, but that sounds right, I made that comment near the end, but not at it, so when I continued watching, the video mentioned this group when it sounded before like they wouldn't.
I am making a few for my extraterrestrial species not as advanced as humans
Tolkein must have been insane, as a native Welsh speaker it sounds ok but learning it and the grammatical rules are so fucking complicated
Tell me about it, GCSE first language Welsh will be the death of me
I like the way how welsh looks, like some ancient language or magical incantation...just love it!
+FlatScreenNinja Yeah but Welsh looks cool when written down
+krim7 But they forgot to import vowels...
+Nick Bana we have 7 vowels in Welsh. A E I O U W Y and they are used a lot
its actually fun to learn languages rather than everyone speak the same language, I almost created one language for a country I invented but I just gave up and decided the country would speak Spanish with a weird accent.
I speak 3 languages one isn't fluent but i can survive with it. plus I'm learning 3 more .
Danny1022 I
I cant learn another language to save my life. If someone said i had 5 years to learn a different language than English, any language at all, and if I didn't by those 5 years I would be executed, I'd be facing a firing squad in 5 years. I failed taking a language class in every year of school. Just can't do it. My only regret is that the British didn't spread English far enough.
DarkSpyro707
It's mostly mental. I would suggest choosing a language really similar to English to start with. The Scandinavian languages (Norwegian in particular) is pretty similar in terms of grammar (with little differences here and there. The rest is all dedication.
Once you've got going with another language learning more becomes progressively easier.
I tried learning French in high school but sorta gave up. I went back to it afterwards and it was much easier the second time and then I found German sooo much easier because I found a system that worked for me.
So, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, or Norwegian are what I'd recommend to try to learn as a second language if you're up for it.
@homzz não é verdade cara! Eu aprendi português com duolingo por 3 meses e depois 6 semanas na escola em Copacabana em 2017...ok, agora eu esqueço vocabulário e faço erros come gramatica mas geralmente foi fácil para mim e sou INGLÉS! Nos não falamos outro idiomas kkk gringões!
@@dustsettles6099 Nossa, eu nunca vi alguém que decidiu aprender português por se mesmo virar fluente, parabéns !! Você também fala outras línguas ?
Eu sou brasileira mas aprendi francês depois de vir morar no Canadá, e aprendi inglês por mim mesma. Acho idiomas estrangeiros irados kkkkk
We need a video on Lojban
Ivo Sotirov +
YES PLEASE
Ivo Sotirov please
As a speaker of Lojban, I can tell you that it is both terrifying and great
Ikr? Immediately
Once you have free time. Could you make a video on Lojban and how it works differently than other languages? It seems like a very interesting language, and I'd like to see it explored.
👆🏻
@@kepspark3362 check out jan Misali’s Conlang Critic videos
As an Esperantist, I can tell you that there are three types of Esperantists:
Finvenkists; those who think that Esperanto should become a second language for all; a neutral international language.
Raŭmists (translated Wikipedia, I personally like the wording) ; those who follow the Manifest of Rauma (1980) which criticizes the goal of the original Esperanto movement and declares the total of all Esperantists like "a self chosen diasporic linguistical minority". "Diasporic" meaning "spread around the world".
And the ones who don't really care and just like using it, mostly in international communication.
I literally have just one problem with the language: I still don't have a good word for "to care" as in "to be concerned about" or rather "to give a damn". All translations seem too positive.
+Kriso de la Erikejo huh, interesting
+Kriso de la Erikejo Esperanto has many many thousands of root words + word formation and still you can't find good translations for those?
Well, what could you expect from Esperanto haha
I stopped learning it because the vocabulary was too damn huge, didn't wanna waste time on it.
***** The problem with the word is that in English, Dutch and German, (3 of the 5 languages I speak), it isn't a one word term, and I know for a fact that looking for 1:1 translations for languages is a lost cause all together, but all languages seem to have it, but as for Eo, hadn't found it yet. Mi ne estas koncerninta, however, seems to work for mi...
So yeah if you're interested:
EN: I don't care.
NL: Ik geef er niets om. (I don't give anything about it)
DE: Das ist mir egal. (To me, that's unimportant)
and JP: それは構わない。/Sore wa kamawanai (As for that, it's not concerned about)
thisismycoolnickname Well that's true for all languages, and for the exceptions I've seen (all artificial), they don't work. Esperanto works just fine, the amount of vocabulary you need to learn is very small compared to other languages, especially if you know how to work with the affixes.
If Esperanto has too many words, then learning languages, may just not be for you.
+Kriso de la Erikejo it is not "very small compared to other languges. It is a little bit smaller, not significantly.
Learning languages is not for me? That sounds really funny, provided that I speak 6 languages fluently, and many more at an intermediate level.
I said I didn't wanna waste my time because Esperanto is quite useless.
Hey, a Zidnaf video.
HOLY SHIT HE UPLOADED SOMETHING
+TheJman0205 OMG Really?? MY ENTIRE LIFE WAS A LIE!
I thought it was pronounced X.
***** both
Guys, he has a video about how his name is pronounced. It originated as a "h" sound for the "x" like in lojban, but he eventually changed it to zidnaf.
***** I know what you mean. I'm using h to refer to the sound. It's not exactly the same sound but I can;t really write the x sound in lojban.
Because of you I am really interested in linguistics, xidnaf!
+Sara Remer Yaaay! ^_^
me too haha so interesting
the same here, too!
yeah his videos are interesting :)
Have a Pearl point, Xindaf
Yay Esperanto!!! I feel like Esperanto is about to become more popular again. Right now there are over 400 thousand people learning it on Duolingo.
Eh, Esperanto is still getting there though.
Espiranto! Espiranto! Espiranto!
Hey! I'm learning Esperanto from you!
Esperanto estas la internacia lingvo!
honestly I don't think so. English is already very dominant and will remain the world language for a long time probably. Esperanto is fairly similar to Spanish though which might help considering the big Spanish-speaking population of South and Central America.
I speak English but I think speaking other languages enhances our world. 😉
Are you REAL montenegrin?
Esperanto's greatest weakness is that it has letters with hats.
+Qio Cio No... Why would that be a weakness? Esperanto's sounds are just, extremely easy XD
+Alejandro Matos Anguis *!!WARNING!! Wall of text incoming*
The sounds of Esperanto might be extremely easy for you if you speak, say, English or a Slavic language as your native language. The problem is that Esperanto is supposed to be international, yet it is more or less just Polish without retroflexes and palatals.
With respect to problems of being international, the first one is the large number of sibilants. Esperanto distinguishes 4 different coronal sibilants (/s z ʃ ʒ/) (as well as four affricates with the same voicing and POA). Both the voicing distinction is a problem as well as the fact that there is a distinction between alveolars and post-alveolars (aka. alveolopalatals) (/s/ vs. /ʃ/ and /z/ vs. /ʒ/). For a large number of people, that is a difficult distinction. Some languages do away with fricatives as a whole, for example most aboriginal languages of Australia. This doesn't mean that you have to skip fricatives alltogether, but a number of analyses I have seen suggest that for an international auxlang you should limit yourself to /s/ and no more.
I mentioned voicing distinction earlier and that is potentially also a problem. Esperanto has a voicing distinction in both fricatives and plosives (f.ex. /s/ vs. /z/ and /p/ vs. /b/). A lot of people might also struggle with that, especially on picking up the difference when listening. Roughly a quarter of 567 languages surveyed in a study had no voicing distinctions. For an idea of how it might feel for a monolingual speaker of such a language to have to distinguish between /p/ and /b/, try listening to some Punjabi for example and try to tell which plosives are aspirated (like the k in kill) and which ones are not (like the k in skill).
Thirdly, there is a distinction between /x/ and /h/ as well as a distinction between /r~ɾ/ and /l/. These distinctions are also lacking in a number of languages, which either just have one of each pair, something in between the two or have the two different sounds function as the same sound and getting interpreted as that by the speakers (or none of them). For an example think of the Japanese r or Korean where /h/ is [x] before /ɯ/. This means that picking up on these distinctions might be hard for speakers of such languages.
Lastly there is the fact that Esperanto allows quite large clusters (f.ex. *str*anga "strange" and i*nstr*ui "teach"). This is a problem because a significant number of people in the world would find it hard to pronounce such clusters. A large number of languages allows only V and CV syllables, and an even larger group of languages allows no syllables more complex than CLV where L is a liquid of a glide such as /w/ or /j/ (equal to the y in you). For an example of languages wich allow only (C)V syllables, take a look at the Polynesian languages such as Hawai'ian, Tongan or Maori.
And all of this rampant eurocentrism is without even getting started on the vocabulary and to a lesser extent the grammar which is so centered on Romance and Slavic languages that i have heard Esperanto described as "looking like a weird Polish-Italian pidgin"
To summarize: No, the sound of Esperanto are not easy for a very significant portion of the World's population
gustav hl That's a very good point, but I only said that its sounds where easy because that comment was in english. My mother language is spanish and I have been researching information about different languages for about 6 years, so there wasn't a single sounds that I haven't seen or learned when I discovered esperanto. That only applies for people who stick to their mother languages (and most of them are english native speakers). What you say is true but at least for me and the person I replied, esperanto's sounds shouldn't represent a challenge.
+gustav hl I agree its sounds are problematic I think Japanese phonetics are a good model for an ease of pronunciation but that make words very long. Also the European tense structure doesn't translate well into some languages.
+Qio Cio "I think Japanese phonetics are a good model for an ease of pronunciation but that make words very long." -- the same thing is said about Polynesian languages. One of the differences between Loglan and Lojban is Loglan tried to keep down the number of phonemes, and in that, it was said to be following Polynesian, although not completely so, as Loglan had a distinction between "t" and "k".
"Lojban is like spoken computer code" But that brings up an interesting idea. Can you make computer code written entirely in lojban and have a computer interperet it?
+BlueUmbrella Heinlein suggested that in a novel. Moreover, computer parsers exist for Loglan and Lojban. For the latter, it used to be, and may still be, the practice of people maintaining the grammar, before proposing any addition to the grammar, that the algorithmic parser could handle it unambiguously. I used to be involved with the Lojbanists but have not been for a while.
Yes in theory. But no one has implemented this yet.
(I don't speak lojban so I'm basically guessing)
Probably not, because it still can't be unambiguous without being really long, at which point it would be better to just use a normal programming language. For example you can't just say "eat the cake," as it would have no idea what cake you're talking about
now there's an idea
lojban (from what ive seen) is just a really inefficient version of computer code.
there's a bunch of extra shit to change ""word order"" and it's (inconveniently for everybody) not written in any known language.
io mean it'd be fine if it was written in english or some other natural language, but its literally shit cause its not a language anybody else knows.
computer code is hard enough to understand, now we have some more shit..
other thna that though, if you translate the entirety of Lojban into syntax for a scripting language (i dont think Binary would work), it'd prolly work.
as long as you get rid of emphasis systems and random rearranging; all the stuff that computers just dont need.
Btw, don't forget about the thu'um, the language spoken by dragons in skyrim. The written alphabet is just so gorgeous :D
+Howitzer 0 YES!
+Howitzer 0 It's not even a language. It's an virtually an English cipher.
+Valosken by that, do you mean it's grammar and sentence structures are just like English?
Well still pretty cool.
Howitzer 0
Yeah. A cipher is the replacement of words/morphemes with the same grammar. Dovahzul is that.
+Sulthan14 ah fuck my average knowledge of skyrim :|
Hey, I’ve been speaking Esperanto for approaching two years, and it all traces back to this video.
3 years now!
1:28 Finally someone who realized Ireland was a country.
as a programmer a language that sounds like spoken code seems awesome
+ashley beaumont Learn lojban. One of the great things about it is that it's REALLY easy for computers to interpret it cause you know... lojban!
+ashley beaumont
class hello
{
func static int initalContact()
{
int selectGreeting= 0;
input greeting number;
return selectGreeting;
}
static func greetings(int)
{
string "HelloWorld";
string "Hi";
string "god wtf am I doing right now :D";
string "heyhey";
}
}
int main
{
hello.greetings(hello.initalContact());
}
//hell of a way to talk but it works :p
Object me salutes your enthusiasm at MaxInt intensity.
programming is just conveying instructions..
+chaquator And state, don't forget :)
as someone who speaks three vastly different languages (english, czech and japanese), I'm supporter of Worfian Hypothesis. I mean, until this video I didn't even know such a hypothesis actually exists, but I sort of had that opinion already, because depending on which language I'm currently using, the way I think changes.
Late to the party but it's especially obvious talking to someone whos deaf and learned sign language
One time I made my own language, called "Shuudnibruktimavushtok" which made several derivations of Greek, Russian, and German. It was cool, but I lost my notes for it, so it's kinda gone. :(
sad day...
I made a language called PHHHPHHPHH I basted it off farts
+Ittoqqortoormiit From the Land of Green “ᐃᓄᔨᒌᑦᑑᓗᐊᖅᑐᑎᒃ” Hey man, when I was at the University I also made a language. It was based on short words to move tenses and I wrote a huge vocabulary based in onomatopoeias. I used to write my agenda or even hide information... Probably if I find some of these notes I won't get read them. Hehehe... Sad end.
+Ittoqqortoormiit From the Land of Green “ᐃᓄᔨᒌᑦᑑᓗᐊᖅᑐᑎᒃ”
I was also developing a conlang when playing on NationStates, but i abandoned it because i had almost no time for developing it, and instead chose Italian.
+Ittoqqortoormiit „ᐃᓄᔨᒌᑦᑑᓗᐊᖅᑐᑎᒃ“ From the Land of Green Bummer. Didn't you try to reconstruct it since then? Grammar and syntax doesn't seem like the kind of stuff you'd forget.
If the notes contained mostly vocabulary though, I can see how you'd have to reinvent it for the largest part.
If I lost the notes for my conlanguage, there wouldn't be much I could forget, since so far I was mostly busy with rules, guidelines, and concepts, and barely dared coming up with vocabulary, haha.
A universal language would never work unless we all shared the same ethnicity, culture, climate, politics, etc. As a person who is bilingual, I understand that languages always complement the culture and society in which they're spoken. English, although harder than many languages, just won because of imperialism. Otherwise, if the goal was to really turn a language into the international standard of communication that most people could understand, English wouldn't have made it to the short list.
yes, we don't want a language that's "universal" in the sense that we stop using all other languages. We Esperantists want one neutral (not belonging to any specific group) language that's easy to learn to become the default for *international* use
@@SimonWoodburyForget no English is quite easy why do you think almost everyone knows it
@@Emperor_of_all_Badgers because the movie and TH-cam video is in English plus it's better politically and economically
English is pretty easy compared to 90% of other languages. Yes, I'm not a native speaker.
Mwaniki Mwaniki as someone who’s not a native speaker, I learned English by watching tv and playing videogames. So there’s that
Oh man, your animations are *hilarious*! You had me cracking up through the whole thing; I especially loved the two sign-wavers with swirly eyes. Your stick figures are so expressive; I love it! I also am very interested in languages, and conlangs in particular.
My only complaint about this video is that the text at the end goes by too fast to read it, so fast that I had to try several times just to pause in the right spots!
As an Esperantist (I even work for an Esperanto organisation so Esperanto is the language we use in the office and I use with my flatmate) it's nice to see a fair explanation of the language and its history. Too often videos about Esperanto are condescending or factually wrong.
One small error, while Kim is raising his children as second generation native speakers, he's not the only one. There's even a third generation native speaker. blogs.transparent.com/esperanto/3rd-gen-native-esperanto-speaker-nils/
+Robert Nielsen Ekzistas laborejoj, kie oni parolas nur Esperanton? That's awesome!
+Robert Nielsen I think native Esperanto speakers should be called Esperantinos.
***** Romance speakers are sometimes called Latinos; so I was assuming "Esperantino" would be the logical equivalent.
+Samuel Terry -ino is the esperanto affix to denote femininity
+Samuel Terry But Latin ends in "-in", that's why they're called "Latinos". It wouldn't make sense for Esperanto.
I think Esperanto would make a bad global language because it favors Romance Languages.
+FlyingWalrus that would be my biggest problem with it as well.
@Popalupa: That argument is valid if you're talking about Interlingua or Latino sine flexione or Lingua Franca Nova, but not for Esperanto. Half of the vocab of Esperanto is based on Romance languages, but the grammar is quite different. No irregular verbs, no 6 finite forms per tense, no grammatical gender.
that would be why i want it to be the world language.
@@ronaldonmg and even if only one continent learned it as a whole (obviously Europe), that means individuals from the rest of the world only need to learn the one language if they want to communicate with all of europe. Plus, it wouldn't be like learning the mess that is english.
It’s way easier to learn for native Chinese speakers compared to English or French.
Programming Languages ARE languages! They fall under every definition of a language people can think of.
But people don't really use it to speak, do they?
Fionn Gallag As somebody who programs regularly, when I’m around my programming peers we start speaking in what we’ve dubbed “spoken sudo code”. Half the time, we aren’t even making “sentences” to other people, we are literally saying programming statements and communicating just fine
itiseragon "pseudo"
Just talk Brainfuck or Trumpscript to everyone and itll be fun!!! XD
Johann Bauer Did you seriously use trumpscript and brainfuck in the same sentence. Eternal shame on you and your family.
I must say Interlingua is made as "modern latin" not "better esperanto".
It doesn't have anything to do with Esperanto.
Absolutely
The creators of Interlingua studied other auxlangs before creating the language, including Esperanto and Ido. So, while Interlingua is in no way a fork of Esperanto, and its goals are quite different, it was influenced by Esperanto. To say people "spun off and created [Interlingua as an] Esperanto inspired rival" is not exactly true, but it also isn't true to say that "it doesn't have anything to do with Esperanto." The history of Interlingua is more complicated than that.
Not to mention the other Interlingua (Latino sine flexione) that is literally just Latin with analytic morphology.
I've made up my own language that I guess could be considered a cipher language--there are special 'rules' so certain letter arraingments end up different than normally 'translated.' Some letters have multiple pronunciations, can chance the pronunciation of other letters, or are silent. Some nouns have their own word. It's simple, really. All you need to know are the 'rules' and the cipher and you can translate any word.
"I love watching the sun rise in the morning." = "Naj khene nuksxa'n sx jin haj an sx mehna'n."
Which would sound like: "Nay kenay nooksya'n si jean hai an si menan."
I started it years ago with my friends while we played Star Fox Adventures, which utilized a similar cipher language. We used to bug our parents so much xP
Ji suh i qle
Is it a fully functional language?
8:26
Suomi mainittu!
While this channel has mostly Indo-European content, it would be interesting to see your take on Uralic languages!
Torilla tavataan. Tuon kaljat.
+Ihme Jakki Hajrá. Engem is érdekelne :-)
Yes definitely. In fact, he should also do a video about the higher Nostratic Superfamily of languages, and hypotheses of links between PIE, Uralic, even turkic, etc..
I agree!
kylläää!!
long time no see xidnaf, good to see you in my feed again!
What do you think about making a video with slavic languages?
This was rather insightful, and thanks for the referral to Artifexian. I am one of the fantasy writers who has been tending to a massive garden of culture and languages in my book's world (though the book itself has barely been started), and I have poured more energy into crafting the languages, races, religions, lexicon, and worldviews of this place than I have with the characters, story, or major conflicts. I'm building this giant machine, and once I hit play, everything is going to start moving and it'll be near impossible to change the ethos. Incidentally, my name, the Astral Lexicon, is the name of the 'template of the mother language', which I have currently dubbed 'Astrian' (pending a better name). Maybe one day you'll hear about my story or see the book on the shelves. Keep an eye out for the 'Arcana Chronicles', 'The Dark Advent Trilogy', or the first book 'The Twilight's Requiem'.
A friend of mine in college was working on a language for his fantasy book. And it was dope! He did what you were talking about where each letter has a meaning, but also much more. I don't remember everything because its been years but I was blown away by it
I'm actually currently making a language right now, but it's a SERIOUS pain in the ass. I've decided I'll start with the pronounciation for each individual letter, assign each letter a symbol (so there will be a new alphabet), then make all of the grammar rules, then create a working keyboard layout and font. It's hard work, but it's great fun to do :) I recommend you should try making one if you have the time :P
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Btw I'm making my language because I think it will help me understand the IPA better and it's just a hell a lot of fun to do :D
+αvαjαtαr what better link can I give you... um...
reddit.com/r/conlangs
Stefan Alecu ty :D
***** Hehe, i have since! I have come up with a history already lol
gorg hey man. I am willing to learn your language. How do I get in contact with you?
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Interlingua's preeeeeetty different form Esperanto. I say that as someone who is competent in Interlingua and has a passing familiarity with Esperanto. I guess it's ideologically inspired by Esperanto to an extent, but putting it on the same ground as Ido, which is basically a dialect of Esperanto, is unfair.
did you learn both? what inspired you to learn two created languages? just curious :)
Interlingua is pretty cool because it's instantly understandable to any native speaker of a Romance Language (Interlingua es comprehensibile a prime vista!). Even as a monolingual English speaker, people can get the gist of it.
I don't really like Interlingua for that reason alone, though. Nor do I have any delusions it'll ever be anything other than a curiosity. I fell in love with it because of all the constructed languages, Interlingua is the most poetic and "natural" sounding. It rolls off the tongue very well and lends itself nicely to poetry and prose. More human and less artificial than Esperanto etc.
I never actually learned Esperanto, but I'm familiar enough with it to know the basic mechanics of it.
Chrome Trooper way cool! Thanks! And yes, Interlingua does sim easily understood...
Starfish Prime My thoughts exactly. Interlingua looks basically like Spanish with just a few modifications that don’t change its intelligibility.
@@aycc-nbh7289 why do you English speakers aways compare a romance (based) language with Spanish??
Love the video! I've been playing around with the basics in planning my own conlang. Thought I'd just mention that though it is very true that languages have been imposed through military superpowers, the main motivation for people learning English today is the economic and political benefits of being able to communicate internationally. In other words, people choose to learn the language because it opens doors, not because someone is shoving it down their throats (well, maybe their own government is shoving it down their throats, but that's their own debate to have).
Nicholas Gergetz yes, but imperialism is the reason they’re specifically learning English, because it was spread around the world a lot of people used it as the main international language which caused more people to learn it because it was being used so much, and repeat
I've always loved the idea of creating a language. When I was a kid I actually tried making one with my friend. It was a sign language we could use to talk without anyone else knowing what we were saying, but I've forgotten most of it. Recently I've started creating a con language for a story I'm working on that's gonna be spoken by one of the protagonists who's a plant alien. You're videos have been very helpful to me while trying to make it!
Now that's some strange foreshadowing: You set up the video to be only about IALs and philosophical languages, and then you go and misspell "Whorfian" as "Worfian" to hint at what drops in at 8:00: languages of fictional cultures like Klingon.
What are your thoughts on the language Newspeak in George Orwell's "1984?"
No Ithkuil? Really? It's the weirdest, most insane constructed language of them all!
It is also the best
It was made to be hard
@@Ida-xe8pg no it wasn't, it was made to condense information
BRB about to make an esoteric spoken language
+Kinkzoz make its vowels shift to express different meanings and have it written in an abjad. Nothing could go wrong.
Lendanto Also it's written form is just gonna be the waveform of the spoken language.
+Kinkzoz Oh that would be interesting. /\\//\/\\\/////\\\
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Make the writing go diagonally across a page
wondered why you weren't in my feed lately and realized I wasn't subscribed, shortly after panic ensued I found this video. thanks again for your contribution to the community!
I'm creating a language for my story, and one of my favourite things is figuring out how culture and history interact with the language, and the etymology of words is so much fun too, I end up inventing obsolete words just to give still used words a etymological connection. And I have a bit of a love for yin/yang vowels so they plays a big part in my language - language making is so much fun dude!
grammatically the language is based on Korean with a little bit of English thrown in though because inventing grammar is more of a headache than I signed up for!
Grammars hard for me too, I never really have concrete grammatical rules.
could you speak about the "dialects" of italy, and the origin of italian?
I am Italian and I feel like this should be talked about 😩
Here's a good vidéo about this
th-cam.com/video/DbAuRVxT-F0/w-d-xo.html
Haven't watched the video yet, but... OH MY GOD, YOU'RE BACK!
A wild upload appears
+Chris Josten It was super effective
Ironically, artificial auxilary languages just make the issues they are made to fix worse. For example, "The first [reason people are creating conlangs] is that people get sick of having to learn lots of languages in order to communicate with lots of groups of people" - making another language just makes it worse, because now there are even more languages to learn, and now there is even more disagreement on which language should be the global lingua franca. And about the thing with native speakers of the lingua franca not having to learn it while everyone else has to learn it - this problems just comes back when the auxilary language gets popular enough, because now there are native speakers of for example Esperanto.
7:48 When Edgar actually shows up to help. And now that I’ve actually seen this video, it explains that Edgar decided to provide help only to have help of his own.
I feel that conlang creators and linguists should adopt Good Samaritan policies and lend help to rookie language creators.
Actually, what is Xidnaf’s problem with nerds and nerdy things anyway? They’re actually neat and interesting to majorities, like D&D, which I haven’t played.
Also, this is my first time seeing a video by him that isn’t the first video by him I’ve seen, which talks about writing systems.
Isn't Lojban where you got your name?
+AwesomeAriados Yep. I came up with this word, "xidnaf," all the way back in middle school. I went through a bit of a Lojban phase :P
+Xidnaf that's nerdier than a Klingon opera!
Hamoïtte ctyógg!!
+aquafieldrocks That's one of the reasons I love him!
Xidnaf That's cool! Although I'm not entirely sure what it means. There's no rafsi "xid" and naf is a rafsi of natfe, which means "controdicter". In addition, words have to end in vowels so "na'e" might have been better, but if you're using a cmevla I suppose "naf" works just fine.
And I was wondering why both Artifexian and Xidnaf uploaded a video at the same time …
*We have spotted a wild new video in the wild... These creatures are very rare...*
Your reaction to getting involved with Artexian’s conlang at the end of the vid is EXACTLY my brother’s reaction any time I pull him aside to look at my latest iteration of my alphabet or any basic thing really. Plus I’m bad at explaining my work so I just show him my work and watch as his mind goes blank and his jaw drops. 😂❤
I love it.
This is by far one of the coolest channels I've found in a while. Not sure if you're still active, but you left a nice little archive. Thanks :)
I'm making a conlang. Two, if you want to get technical, but I only have the alphabet created for the second one. No grammar at all and almost no vocabulary. The main one has some grammar and several pages worth of short definitions. I'm building the root morphemes at the moment to allow the language to develop more naturally. It is SOV with prepositional particles, and there are pairs of morphemes for a number of ideas: one bound, and one unbound (I call the bound ones "states" as a direct translation of what they would be called in the language... State as in state of being, not political state). Most morphemes are either cv or cvc, though some morphemes imported from the other language include ccvc and cvcc. There are no two syllable or three syllable morphemes.
The alphabet for my primary language is built in syllable blocks like Korean, but consonant blends will all have their own symbols, so I am going to keep them limited to save time. St- and -ts will be the same symbol, -sk and -ks are the same symbol, br and rb are the same, kr and rk are the same etc.
Phonologically, it should be relatively easy for native English speakers except for the voiceless flap (and the fact there are very few allophones, so applying English phonological rules may hurt them in THAT respect). There are 6 vowels, bilabial stops, alveolar stops, velar stops, bilabial and alveolar nasals, flaps, a voiced alveolar lateral approximant, a retroflex approximant, alveolar fricatives, alveopalatal fricatives and affricates, and labio-dental fricatives.
It uses a verbalized question marker like Japanese, but at the start of a sentence. The marker, la, also marks question words like who, what, where, etc (lat'ki, lapin, lakut). This allows for easy distinction between question words like "What do I want" and statements like "This is what I wanted" without making them conceptually disparate (something that bugs me slightly about Japanese)
My most important goal for development of the language is a robust root morpheme list, and after that everything can be developed naturally (it is agglutinative). The most difficult part of making a new language is anticipating need.
You need to someday do a video completely dedicated to Lojban. That would be awesome. Also, if you ever get around to studying it in-depth, do a video on Ithkuil, another unambiguous language like Lojban except ten times crazier.
jan Misali already made videos about them.
@@kadenvanciel9335 And he got facts *wrong* about them, like he does *every* conlang.
At 1:29 there was an Irish flag implying that Irish people do not learn a language and grow up knowing English. This is actually incorrect, as in Ireland we learn Geailge (Gaelic) while already speaking English regularly. On top of this we can also choose to learn another language such as Spanish, French and German. I just thought I would point it out to anyone who might want to know :)
The moment I found your channel and discovered it's theme, I wanted to suggest you give your take on artificial languages. Imagine my delight when I find it already in place and everything I was hoping it could be. Really great stuff.
i think your channel is fantastic! Found you today, subbed, keep it up dude :)
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Me: *starts cursing this guy out in spontaneous Valyrio-Klingon creole*
3:38 Doesn't Interlingua seem more like a dialect of Spanish than an actual language?
4:33 -from some reason I like these colors.
Thank you for taking the time to make these videos. They're pretty interesting and entertaining. Made my day watching your channel.
I love your channel so much! You're the one who made me love linguistics when i discovered your channel☺️.
I made or at least want to make a language because it would be fucking funny and so I don’t have to learn Spanish to pass high school because all of the rules are confusing if I make it I know all of the rules
I'm trying to create my own language, but it's hard and time consuming.
+64imma Same here... So many hours to create a perfect system... ugh...
Alejandro Matos Anguis The problem for me is if I don't write down my thoughts as soon as I have them, they pretty much vanish forever. Like 90% of the time when I have a good idea for my language it's when I don't have access to my notes. I find making the grammar relatively easy and exciting. Developing vocabulary is a little more of a challenge for me.
+64imma Well, I have many pages of notes on my language, but I can't use the language without the notes. I'm even too lazy to learn my own language properly xD
***** I try to speak in my own language to larn it. I obviously don't do it outloud but... In my head lol
Alejandro Matos Anguis
Me too, but it's just too easy looking words up if you don't remember certain ones.
Dude, you and Artifexian just posted conlang videos within the same half hour. Weird...
wait I'm stupid
well that's what I get for commenting before watching the video, I guess
Totally complete coincidence.
oooh is thisbanother language channel I should check out?
+Felicia Follum
... Yes.
HandSanitizerAttack done and done...
i still suggest to learn Esperanto..there have been tons of novels articles books published in Esperanto, and there are huge global community when you travel. I came to Italy 3 years ago with no knowledge of Italian, but with basics of Esperanto, I magically handled the pronunciation and grammar pretty well, and faster than my peers.
This intro litteraly made my whole 2021 memory
Why does this appear when im making my own language?
Illuminati?
I thought you gave up on TH-cam for a minute bro
I think lojban is quite nice. I've only been learning it a week though.
Second solution to the problem of fairness in an international standard language: revive a “dead” language. Latin, Classical Greek, Akkadian, or Sumerian as an international language would go crazy.
I made my own alphabet in grade two, I tried to make my own language but struggled for obvious reasons! I'm 21 now and can still write and read my own code, its just a party trick and a way to keep journals private now. In grade 5 I had a few friends that bothered learning enough to pass notes in class, that was fun! love your content!
7:12 the brain saying "no" killed me hahaha
What is wrong with ain't? I even didn't put the apostrophe and it put it in for me, it is a word don't judge the way others speak
Because it's in the wrong register (I'm not trying to justify it, that's just why).
1:27 Great to see Ireland represented, but no, we were definitely forced to speak English...
Then, learn your language. I want to study mine, but it's hard to find a place to learn it here in Peru.
I'm curious to know what your viewpoint on toki pona, a constructed minimalistic language.
I have also created my own language, but it's still in it's infancy. So it will take some time before grammar/phoenic rules and more is added in, the language i made is meant to be a "new" version of Norwegian more similar to languages like, Faroese, Nynorn and Nynorsk (though Nynorsk isn't a language.) It's also "roughly" based on the dialect of Norwegian that i speak.
I guess you could say Artifaxium Xidnapped Xidnaf
Wut th blyt
“ain't" Is a legit word. It means are not or is not depending on circumstances
Yes, but its informality makes it unacceptable in scientific papers and scholarly articles, like the video stated.
Cleiven X - then imma make a scientific paper that literally explains how I cured a major disease and use informal language throughout and nobody can argue with me because I literally helped to save people’s love. What they gonna do about it? Complain?
Kottonkandy09 scholarly articles are written in the past tense from what I can recall off the top of my head.
Besides, the entire reason they're written formally is to make them easier to translate, to reduce misinterpretations of the content, and _sounding_ credible is a third of the way to being credible. No one would take your papers seriously if you didn't adhere to the standards of writing everyone else in your field does. That's why, as a mechanical engineer, I still had to take English 101, 102, and Technical Writing. The 101 and 102 were bullshit, argumentative-focused classes in which the bias of the teachers made 80% of your grade but they were necessary to develop a concrete understanding of how english functions technically. The Technical Writing class taught the different formats for certain reports, e-mails, portfolios, instructions, surveys, job applications, and I think even a brochure for some product we had to market. You know, the shit that actually makes the world go 'round that anyone with an actual practical job might need to do.
hey xidnaf, you just used stick figures in your video but I don't see you crediting cgp grey in your description. get ready to get a copy strike
cgp grey? Try xkc&h
Anyone is free to use stick figures; CGP Grey is just one of the most famous users.
Found this video on my reccomendations, You earned a sub
beautiful video, just loved the whole video so insightful.
Fabricated language logic: we can't all have it easy, so let's all have it really hard
Ikr. But people have tried to make a laungage, that was a combination of all written languages: Volapyk. I't didn't become popular, so maybe people did the reverse, in hopes of that catching on.
Communism in a nutshell
Not really. Constructed languages intended as auxiliary languages are always way more simplistic and consistent than any natural language. Simplicity and consistency, especially combined with elements of lots of different languages means the language is easy to learn for almost everyone. Meanwhile English is a nightmare mainly due to: uncommon sounds, too many sounds, non-phonetic spelling, inconsistent morphology, inconsistent phonology. The whole thing is inconsistent in almost every way, it means you have to learn by rote memorisation. Not following simple and clear rules. Due to this, it's really hard to make a language that is harder to learn.
Volapük was made by one guy called Schleyer. It failed because it was too complex, because Schleyer refused all reforms, and because it was intended for the elite ("the educated people"). Esperanto was created by one guy called Zamenhof, and succeded because Zamenhof allowed democraticly supported reforms and intended the language for ordinary people.
Pennsylvania, communism is a type of economy in which people work according to ability and receive according to need. It has nothing to do with the topic here.
reddit.com/r/conlangs
+Elijah Schulman The best of places!
greatest place on the Internet
Hi Artifexian. If you think it's great, we have our own Discord channel as well. (:
Oh hay my song is in here
+PegasYs woooo~
+PegasYs Yep! I hope that's ok ^_^;
+Xidnaf i'm cool with it, if pegasys is c:
I'm cool with it! If you wanna get a dedicated outro I can help with that if you want
PegasYs :) Thanks, but I like things the way they are. This way I get to point people towards a different under-appreciated song at the end of each video!
The founder of Volapük was a priest in the town my grandmother lives in.
I did invent my own language, mainly for fun and for an experiment. I tested how languages change and my language is a mix of English, Italian, and Spanish (and other few languages). My language is also decent of Latin. It is a beautiful mix.
HUZZAH! YOU'RE BACK! So happy!
But yeah, as an ArtLanger myself, I am very happy to see you collab with Artifexian on this one.
Because you can insult people without them knowing
Mi lernas Esperanton el Duolingo XD, mi estas el Indonesio, mi ankaū parolas Anglan.
Vi povas uzi ux anstataŭ ŭ
Ux:ŭ
sx:ŝ
cx:ĉ
hx:ĥ
jx:ĵ
ne uzu ū denove :)
I too made my own language for fun. It has a 50 page document on its grammar, over 2000 words, and an entire writing system with 40 letters. Yes this took over a decade. I actually translated the entire script of The Dark Crystal for fun years ago and have a video on my channel narrating the opening in it. It's the lowest viewed video I have because in the end it's just something I made for me. The closest this language has to use is just the writing system in English as a sort of anywhere-I-want diary, I can vent out frustrations and what I'm thinking and no one can read it.
The game company Bethesda made an entire language called Dragon Tongue (or Dovahzuul) just for their game, The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. They even made an alphabet to go along with it.
It's probably good to point out that Sapir-Whorf isn't really accepted by linguists anymore. It now seems more likely that culture affects language and not the other way around.
if all human use one common language that is different to all the language out there, then in the future, our knowledge will be lost, because people can't read and understand what we are saying except for few people who studies archaeology. And another thing is, people is gonna branch off that one language, and eventually back to multi-languages.
Loads of knowledge will be lost if we stop using entire languages, yes, regardless of whether the remaining language is a constructed language or an ethnic one.
I doubt it.
For instance, English has a _massive_ text and now audio base for future people to refer to.
Even if English becomes a dead language, it would still be learnable because there's just such a massive amount of resources to extrapolate information from.
It'd be like the world's largest game of sudoku.
You'd have the word "Party", and it'd need to fit in the sentence "I'm having a birthday party." as well as the sentence "My party and I went on an adventure." with it also clearly not appearing in sentences like "I spoke to my friend yesterday." and "I had cereal for breakfast."
So then you'd try to find what the definition for "Party" was despite not knowing a single one of those words.
Now, party might have been a bad example, it's far more likely that if all information on English was lost, articles would be the first to be rediscovered, words like "The".
Not only do you have all of English to pull from though, but you have all language ever to pull from, with similar words and the same word in alternate languages.
You can very much start at 0% comprehension.
Imagine playing a game of sudoku where all the numbers are replaced with alien symbols.
You can still solve all the missing pieces, even if you don't know what the symbols mean.
Context of where every word goes and where every word doesn't go would be debated by future linguists, just like how today linguists reconstruct the Proto-Indo-European Language despite there being literally _no written words ever._
We will never forget English or any other language, unless there's an active effort to make the world forget.
@@EvilParagon4 Then why could't we decipher hieroglyphics until we found the Rosetta stone.
We could.
We had a very minor understanding of the language. The Rosetta Stone simply exploded our understanding and was monumental in helping us understand.
We could translate a few hieroglyphs, but due to how few surviving examples we had, we could never be sure.
The best bets we had were reconstructions based on Coptic and Demotic before we discovered the Stone, which were very helpful but not definitive, just as we right now have words that exist for Proto-Indo-European, despite no one being alive to hear them and being before writing was invented.
There is too much preservation these days for anything but an intentional effort to reduce the sample sizes we have of English and other languages to the scarcity of the Egyptian language.
...and you have to remember that Egyptian went through many forms. They existed for many thousands of years. English only 200 years ago would be hard to understand. You go back to when English was called Aenglic, you're not going to understand anything, and that was only 600 years ago.
So imagine all the hieroglyphs that exist.
Depending on the year they were made, gives us entirely different languages. Most Hieroglyphs are Middle Egyptian luckily, but that is still a different language from Archaic Egyptian, Old Egyptian, Late Middle Egyptian, Medio-Late Egyptian, Neo-Middle Egyptian, etc. etc.
So the Rosetta Stone wasn't even that helpful at deciphering all hieroglyphs. Just a few.
We canadians exist too...
+TheHaibao123 There are loads of countries that speak English as an official or co-official language, you can't seriously expect him to list them all!
What is a canadian? can you eat that?
+Aero248 well?... I mean, I guess you could.
Christian Ernst I heard it is something made with maple juice
+TheHaibao123 Prove it
This video was surprisingly useful for me as a realized that what I'm doing right now is a philosophical conlang of English where I'm on a sort of quest to return lost features to Modern English. I'm still trying to keep things semi-palatable to those who may not be used to it and I'll be making edits to make compromise towards what would normally be mutually exclusive such-as the Old English letter Wynn.
as someone who studies latin i quite like the idea of it as a revived auxillary language; i find it to be very logical and able to make clear distinction between different grammatical functions that can take away some of the vaugeness, which would be helpful due to the variance in grammar in different languages. it isn't too shabby either that many european languages and therefore, languages influenced by european languages, borrow a lot from latin vocabulary. maybe i'm biased as a native english speaker but i think if it was a lingua franca of the past, why couldn't it be again?