Balaibalan: Exploring One of the World's Earliest Conlangs

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  • Balaibalan is considered one of the world's first examples of a constructed language. It was intended to be the word of God, and if so I'm totally doomed after the chicanery in which I engage during this video.
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ความคิดเห็น • 94

  • @pallasproserpina4118
    @pallasproserpina4118 ปีที่แล้ว +310

    When are you going to cover the oldest conlang-Irish

    • @dioni_progaming66
      @dioni_progaming66 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      😫

    • @ovrair6340
      @ovrair6340 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      My man dissing the Irish.
      I mean it's kinda true tho

    • @TheZetaKai
      @TheZetaKai ปีที่แล้ว +11

      That orthography though!

    • @DaEpikMan
      @DaEpikMan ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Ngl that orthography do be odd
      Like Taoiseach, It’s kinda pronounced Téushich.

    • @based1195
      @based1195 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Weird orthography is valid give my mans a break

  • @DwAboutItManFr
    @DwAboutItManFr ปีที่แล้ว +134

    Is it possible that one of our allegedly natural languages is just a really old conlang?

    • @hakced
      @hakced ปีที่แล้ว +25

      yes i don't beleive in the existance of the Kongo languag 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

    • @tzshchsjsjxijyo
      @tzshchsjsjxijyo ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@hakced i so agree 👌

    • @_yellow
      @_yellow ปีที่แล้ว +6

      >English

    • @hakced
      @hakced ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@_yellow no, english is a pidgin of nivkh and shoeshone.

    • @didack1419
      @didack1419 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Some would call some standardised languages like Modern Hebrew and Standard Basque "conlangs".

  • @Alex-qb7ri
    @Alex-qb7ri ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I thought this was a video about an internet serial killer with that avatar or something, because the thumbnail is just so creepy

  • @Avicerox
    @Avicerox ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Hurufis also believed that letters and numbers possess mystical, and sometimes supernatural properties, hence the name Hurufis, coming from Huruf, which I think is plural for Harf, or letters, kinda like gematria, but weirder.
    Unsurprisingly, much of their work ended up being used in supposed Dark Magic texts everywhere in the Muslim World, the infamous Shams-Ul-Maarif also possesses some similar stuff, so I kinda understand how Astarabadi managed to become high, considering his entire upbringing was around a movement on LSDs.

  • @martinomasolo8833
    @martinomasolo8833 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Even though long ā is distinguished from short a in transliteration (as I from E, one is written, one is not) technically within "the persian vowel system" one should attribute an open /ɒ/ sound to the "long" ā and a close /æ/ sound to the "short" a. Hope this made it clearer to you!

    • @AgmaSchwa
      @AgmaSchwa  ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Oh cool! Thanks for letting me know :)

  • @aldebaranlover
    @aldebaranlover ปีที่แล้ว +65

    “guize!!! guize no you misunderstand!!! god speaks this langwige, i can proev it!!!”

    • @Periwinkleaccount
      @Periwinkleaccount ปีที่แล้ว +8

      AkshyuaIy I agre!1!!1!1! I am a “relijous figgure” and I completely 100% agreee! He talked in that language when I had a -dream- visit from him that was totally real guize!

    • @tzshchsjsjxijyo
      @tzshchsjsjxijyo ปีที่แล้ว +8

      "seriously guys i have totally real proof to prove that god really does speak the conlang i made!!!"

  • @astonishing157
    @astonishing157 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    my dumbass read it as balbanian

  • @charliethomas2217
    @charliethomas2217 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    The new testament of the Bible was written entirely in Koine Greek...

    • @AgmaSchwa
      @AgmaSchwa  ปีที่แล้ว +20

      oh I know; Gulshani didn't though, haha

    • @charliethomas2217
      @charliethomas2217 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@AgmaSchwa ah, didn't know that - good to know. Liked the video, btw.

    • @AgmaSchwa
      @AgmaSchwa  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      awesome, thanks!

  • @johnburke8337
    @johnburke8337 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Was it the impression of this school of Islam that the New Testament was originally Aramaic? That felt out of place granted some Aramaic sources may have fed the Greek
    Aside from this, this was super fun to watch, and I’d definitely watch more historical conlang stuff like this. The teeth thing is super fun lol

    • @AgmaSchwa
      @AgmaSchwa  ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Yeah I should have clarified, that was Gulshani's idea of the New Testament's original language.

    • @johnburke8337
      @johnburke8337 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@AgmaSchwa that makes complete sense. I sort of want to dig up the Italian book you mention too and maybe Gulshani’s dictionary. It’s fun stuff

    • @Painocus
      @Painocus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AgmaSchwa It's possible he meant the Diatessaron or the New Testament sections of the Peshitta. These were widely used versions of the New Testament in Syriac Christianity and written in Syriac Aramaic. While they are today generally considered translated from the Koine Greek texts this might not have been entirely known/obvious at the time since Jesus himself and the earliest Christians spoke Aramaic. The Koine Greek New Testament has a number of like Aramaic loanword and phrases that makes more sense in Aramaic. (For example the entire "camel through the eye of a needle"-thing was in-part wordplay on the Aramaic word for camel also being slang for a type of really thick rope (which also couldn't pass through the eye of a needle).)
      Or he might have used "New Testament" (or whatever he wrote that got translated as "New Testament") to mean the actual language the gospel as said by Jesus was 'revealed' in, and not the literary text that records it.

  • @Vin01743
    @Vin01743 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The thumbnail scares me

  • @bacicinvatteneaca
    @bacicinvatteneaca ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Would have been cool to see the text in balaybalan compared with that in Persian, Arabic and Turkish

  • @k.umquat8604
    @k.umquat8604 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    As a Turk I am proud to see Baleybelen mentioned in a video.

    • @janKanali
      @janKanali ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ok

    • @ThatOneCrusader
      @ThatOneCrusader 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@janKanali tf u mean "ok"?

  • @SurfTheSkyline
    @SurfTheSkyline ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Is the music cue that happens on the who made it transition slide around 1:50 literally an extremely dissonant reharmonization of "the lick" commonly used in jazz improv? It seems reasonable that a channel about language stuff would appreciate musical vocabulary and throw something in as a gag like that. Or maybe I am crazy.

    • @karlpoppins
      @karlpoppins ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yes, Agma Schwa uses the lick as a gag a lot.

    • @swagmund_freud6669
      @swagmund_freud6669 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The man plays the E-we, of course he knows about all that shit.

  • @enricobianchi4499
    @enricobianchi4499 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    the vowel system is identical to persian fyi

  • @DS-hw8id
    @DS-hw8id ปีที่แล้ว +6

    BRO IVE BEEN WAITING ON THIS

  • @wagnerjunior6524
    @wagnerjunior6524 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I have a question maybe you can answer: if our vocal folds DO NOT vibrate when we whisper, so how can I still feel and hear the difference between voiced and voiceless sounds when I whisper them????

    • @AgmaSchwa
      @AgmaSchwa  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      So essentially there are smaller but noticeable differences in the way we release various consonants in English depending on where in the word/syllable a sound appears and just in the way they are released in general. For example, the difference between /p/ and /b/ (much of the time) is more than just the voicing. At the beginnings of words /p/ is aspirated and comes out as [pʰ], so at the very least while whispering you’ll have [pʰ] vs. [p] at the beginning of words, along with other more subtle differences. After that it’s just context. “Unstoppable” might sound like “unstoppaple” while whispering, but English speakers know the -able suffix and can infer that “unstoppaple” is actually “unstoppable.” Hopefully this helps, haha

    • @wagnerjunior6524
      @wagnerjunior6524 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AgmaSchwa It really helps! Thx a lot!

  • @TheLukeLsd
    @TheLukeLsd ปีที่แล้ว +11

    É muito interessante

    • @viny8885
      @viny8885 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Oi! Brasileiros por aqui também, pelo jeito.

    • @TheLukeLsd
      @TheLukeLsd ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@viny8885 sim, sim!

    • @viny8885
      @viny8885 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheLukeLsd Uau! Já viu como o Papai Noel fala?

    • @TheLukeLsd
      @TheLukeLsd ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@viny8885 aham.

  • @janKanali
    @janKanali ปีที่แล้ว +5

    yay new video

  • @xenotiic8356
    @xenotiic8356 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This was a fun vid

  • @hakced
    @hakced ปีที่แล้ว +23

    i shitted myself

    • @n3ishere
      @n3ishere ปีที่แล้ว +7

      thank you for sharing hakced

    • @Periwinkleaccount
      @Periwinkleaccount ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😊

    • @hakced
      @hakced ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Periwinkleaccount you will shitted yourself too, soon.

    • @bacicinvatteneaca
      @bacicinvatteneaca ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice

  • @Periwinkleaccount
    @Periwinkleaccount ปีที่แล้ว +4

    2:52 he has the X character drip pose.

  • @betos-08
    @betos-08 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Do you know where I can find the dictionary?

  • @anamcaraxi
    @anamcaraxi 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How can I get a pdf of that Italian translation of the dictionary??

  • @DrYusufBaytar
    @DrYusufBaytar ปีที่แล้ว +2

    interesting...

  • @DollyBoy_1923
    @DollyBoy_1923 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This dude’s hilarious 😂😂

  • @gronkmanyee
    @gronkmanyee 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Did you just hit me with the lick?

  • @martinomasolo8833
    @martinomasolo8833 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Bro don't diss my boy Alessandro Bausani 😂😂😂 He did his best! It was the '60s after all. But persianists are weird with transliteration tbh :))

  • @rashinti1564
    @rashinti1564 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Its (faz.lal.lāh.as.ta.rā.bā.dī)

    • @YuutaShinjou113
      @YuutaShinjou113 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      /fæzlællɒːh æstærɒːbɒːdiː/

  • @ArealRDR2
    @ArealRDR2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Dilsizlere dil veren

  • @incorporealnuance
    @incorporealnuance 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The music is way too loud and it makes it hard to hear what you're saying

  • @nyuh
    @nyuh ปีที่แล้ว +5

    thats the pillow again !!!!

    • @callmemackeroni
      @callmemackeroni 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes. Mister ŋə is indeed down bad.

  • @waspsandwich6548
    @waspsandwich6548 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why is Gulashadi's face so toothy?? Why you gotta deface bro like that?

  • @N0T_KnowN
    @N0T_KnowN ปีที่แล้ว +3

    AZERBAİJAN'S first language: Pierro (My Conlang)
    Pr: Azeribagano odynĉ malao : Pierroplanlingvo ŭotgogo, Pierro.(Mie tono'languxi)
    Ŭotgogo-I mean

    • @Ayxan_Eyvaz
      @Ayxan_Eyvaz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mən Azərbaycan dili üçün özümdən əlifba yaratdım