Are Moon Lamps REALLY 3D Printed?

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  • @mikevsamy
    @mikevsamy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +835

    Recently parts I've bought online from Chinese vendors that were described as 3D printed were actually injection moulded. Sellers are discovering that 3D printing can be a positive selling point for some products. Like it signifies it was made by a fellow hobbyist at small scale.

    • @AdamMi1
      @AdamMi1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +113

      I really don't get how this could be an argument for a product. 3d printing is fantastic for prototyping, but for a finished product injection molding is a lot better.

    • @hamzakamel2752
      @hamzakamel2752 2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      lol i cant see why that would be a positive thing. i like 3d printing and all but if you wanna sell me a mass produced object then 3d printing becomes a negative.

    • @XxIcedecknightxX
      @XxIcedecknightxX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@AdamMi1 non 3d printing hobbyists don't know that injection moulding is stronger, only hobbyists would know that, so that's why.

    • @backgammonbacon
      @backgammonbacon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@XxIcedecknightxX Non 3d printing hobbyists couldn't care less how it was made and 3D printers wouldn't buy something they can print. No one has really bought this product on the basis it was 3d printed this is all faux outrage at its worst.

    • @XxIcedecknightxX
      @XxIcedecknightxX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      @@backgammonbacon I disagree. It's mainly anecdotal but when I usually show models or prints to friends and family, they usually find it charming and find it more interesting than a conventional injection mold part. So they could be targeting the people that don't own a printer but have friends or family that do. If they're trying to market the idea that it's 3d printed and they're going that far to hide it then something is proving it to be beneficial for doing so.

  • @peterkiss1204
    @peterkiss1204 2 ปีที่แล้ว +211

    13:03 I'm pretty certain, those are personality cores for the Aperture Science Enrichment Center supercomputer.
    And that drum holds the conversion gel that allows the Portal gun to place portals on surfaces that would normally be unfit for placing portals.

    • @MrScorpianwarrior
      @MrScorpianwarrior 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Obviously! How could we think anything else!

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Oh no, mine was hollow though... did I let its personality out? :(

    • @moonmatthew
      @moonmatthew 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@MakersMuse nah, the components probably fell out, you can probably still find them

    • @TS_Mind_Swept
      @TS_Mind_Swept ปีที่แล้ว

      The what? I only know of the Genetic Lifeform and Disc Operating System

  • @KipppJ
    @KipppJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +271

    The "crystal" thing is actually a shake sensor. It's hollow inside and has a little metal ball inside, so when you shake(tap is basically a weak shake) the orb, the metal ball makes contact with the contact points inside, which connects the circuit, detecting a tap

    • @bepstein111
      @bepstein111 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Came here to say this.

    • @baksatibi
      @baksatibi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      This could be easily tested by just shorting the leads of that component and see if the circuit reacts to it in the same way.

    • @AmusementLabs
      @AmusementLabs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Sometimes tap or impact sensors have a small very delicate spring around a vertical rod. There's a gap so they don't always touch, but when you tap or move it they contact and close the circuit.

    • @shenqiangshou
      @shenqiangshou 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yup, old Brita replace filter sensors used the same thing.

    • @imchris5000
      @imchris5000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      its the new mercury switch

  • @AndrewWorkshop
    @AndrewWorkshop 2 ปีที่แล้ว +373

    Interesting, i guess saying something is 3D printed helps it sell? In my opinion 3D printing is amazing and you can get production quality products but i always think the layer lines look as if an item is a prototype.

    • @ffoska
      @ffoska 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      yeah, such a weird thing to lie about... a rotational mould item is much more durable, won't melt in the car, more environmentally friendly, and generally a much nicer product than a huge PLA print would be

    • @scandalingshadows8523
      @scandalingshadows8523 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@ffoska keep in mind you can still use other types of filament to achieve the same things

    • @ollieb393
      @ollieb393 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ffoska more environmentally friendly?

    • @MidnightMarrow
      @MidnightMarrow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@ollieb393 I assume compared to having a massive farm of heated printers running 24/7, you'd have less power draw, less maintenance of said printers and potential failures etc when you can simply heat and spin the reusable mould for a much shorter timespan. In the end it's all wasteful and harmful for some dinky plastic globe people throw a few bucks at and eventually throw away. Humans suck and we do whatever we can for a buck, companies make millions at the cost of the planet with no care of the outcome so long as money is made.

    • @ollieb393
      @ollieb393 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MidnightMarrow so like energy costs

  • @id104335409
    @id104335409 2 ปีที่แล้ว +288

    YES!
    EXACTLY! I KNEW IT!
    It is actually quite hard to print a sphere. And it's not commercially viable if you want to sell hundreds of them. I would rather buy a moon that is NOT 3d printed to avoid the 3d print layers texture. People have been making globes for years before 3d printing. I don't understand the 3d printed moon viral success.

    • @noway8233
      @noway8233 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well , its an easy model to print and sell

    • @aserta
      @aserta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I've had no problems printing spheres, the problem that most people seem to have is the fact that they don't/can't control the ambient AND interior heat, if the print is printed hollow.
      Whilst complicated, it can be solved by using an enclosure, and forbidding the cooling draft from going down, into the print, and forcing it to go up (which, is admittedly complicated). Further steps can be taken with reactive cooling, using temp sensors in various locations, and making sure that the temperatures remain constant, but that's above Joe Average's means, and i've done ok with the simpler method too.

    • @infernaldaedra
      @infernaldaedra 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Original 3D printed design is meant to work as a lithograph because it's translucent and the varying thickness on both the inside and outside of he object. the non 3D printed version cannot do this.

    • @id104335409
      @id104335409 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@infernaldaedra I'm pretty sure you CAN do it if you spend 10 minutes thinking about how it could be done. I never liked the final effect of backlit FDM prints because of the lines. The light brings out all the defects.
      Once I printed the moon in glow in dark filament, thinking it's going to look awesome. While it is shocking when you first see it, it didn't worked out the way I hoped. The filament emits in all directions and there was no difference in strength in various tickness. All the detail was drowned and it looked more like you have a radioactive meteorite in the room.
      And I think the original 3d printed moon kickstarter project was meant to be lit from the outside to bring out the craters and and all the shadows. Not as a backlit lithography. That showed up later on ebay.

    • @MarkZimmermanKicksAss
      @MarkZimmermanKicksAss 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t understand the success of boy bands, either.

  • @MakerMeraki
    @MakerMeraki 2 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    My mom gave me one of these a few years ago, and i rolled my eyes at it then. After she passed away it became one of my most prized possessions. Thanks for digging into how it's made.

    • @zombie-process7025
      @zombie-process7025 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Same with me, with a plush unicorn that chimes and lights up when you pet it. I'm in my 40s. XD
      No CLUE why mom felt I needed it. But now? I wouldn't trade it.

  • @liphttam
    @liphttam 2 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    I 3d printed a moon lamp myself 2 years ago and the top of it is noticeably darker because the walls are thicker at the top where it needed more material to print properly.

    • @Jehty21
      @Jehty21 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Isn't that something some settings in the slicer could fix?

    • @liphttam
      @liphttam 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@Jehty21 Yeah if I printed it with supports probably. XD

  • @Thespokenone
    @Thespokenone 2 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    In all honesty, the actual process they use to make and colour the spheres is much more interesting than just 3D printing.

    • @hamishwest3901
      @hamishwest3901 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Hell yea! I would love to see a video like this breaking down that colouring process.

  • @merrymonkey5172
    @merrymonkey5172 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    More of this please! It’s cool learning about the processes, and using that to debunk their commercial claims. Reminds me of your video about biodegradable prints a few months ago.

  • @Carlos_GS
    @Carlos_GS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    I think they might be 3D printing the custom versions of the globes, i.e. where you specify your own picture for the design. Those are reasonably popular too, just more expensive than the mass produced versions :D

    • @theofficialczex1708
      @theofficialczex1708 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      They can just change the image they use for hydrodipping.

    • @camrynhamme
      @camrynhamme 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@theofficialczex1708 ive seen a couple of the custom ones it isnt a transfer applied to the top, its an actual indented image. So i would also be wiling to guess the custom ones are the ones that are 3d Printed

    • @channel11121
      @channel11121 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah in the original video you can see custom designs on the computer.

  • @lilvenaz
    @lilvenaz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Very nicelly spotted the component that makes the LED react to bumps it is indeed a shock sensor, worth seeing diagrams/schematics of it, its basically a coil with a straight wire in the middle, and when you bump they make contact thus sending a signal.

  • @caseyharding8556
    @caseyharding8556 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    We had got one for a gift a few years ago, and I dropped it when it was new. It was actually 3D printed, it cracked along a layer line and I had to glue it back together. It was just a regular white moon, I assume it was PLA. But maybe the originals started that way…

  • @KylejvT
    @KylejvT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The company I work for makes moon globes regularly, they are either surface textures like this or hidden textures where you only see the craters when a light is turned on Lithophane style. Our are done using SLS printers, either EOS P100's or EOS P730's. The surface detail of those would make me guess that the original was made using the SLS method. We also print LPF's items, those are done in a what we call "Sandstone" as you mentioned the binder jetting. These days we also do two other full color print methods both under umbrella of material jetting.

  • @justinfrost6482
    @justinfrost6482 2 ปีที่แล้ว +133

    Whist mis-labelled, they look good for the price. I have previously ordered a custom moon lamp with a personalized image of myself and my girlfriend on one side, and a message on the other, which absolutely was 3D printed using FDM, cost around $100 AUD, and worth the cost, really (a lot better than I could have pulled off on my own with my Ender 3).

    • @silvk1000
      @silvk1000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You know that giving false information on the product is illegal in many countries? Probably nobody will go to the authorities with it, but still lying to your custormers is never a good thing

    • @Shalashalska
      @Shalashalska 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@silvk1000 They technically have not explicitly stated that the actual product they are selling is 3d printed. It just says "By 3d technologies" which, arguably, it is, since the molds are 3d printed. They heavily imply it, and it is definitely scummy, but it will probably hold up in court. It is extremely difficult to penalize a company for lying, for example Facebook said that Oculus would remain independent and would never require a Facebook account, but they were blatantly lying and violated both those promises within two years, and no problems came of that.

    • @backgammonbacon
      @backgammonbacon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@silvk1000 Its illegal in civil law not a crime. At the end of the day you still receive a plastic moon toy with crappy colours on it matching the picture, the rules really aren't intended to stop things as trivial as this. Its just the manufacturing process and they won't get punished for changing it...no one has really bought these because they were 3D printed.

    • @silvk1000
      @silvk1000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Shalashalska watch the wideo, he showed a website to buy it which said it's 3d printed.

    • @silvk1000
      @silvk1000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@backgammonbacon yeah, the same as ads like "3000 mAh AA battery BUY NOW" and it ends like 2800. Or 1200 if you choose the chinese one :>

  • @emmettturner9452
    @emmettturner9452 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I found one at Goodwill back in 2017 and it was definitely 3D printed. There was even a custom 3D printed lithophane photo that was obviously donated at the same time. As I recall, both halves of the moon were glued together at the equator line, IIRC, so it wasn’t even printed in one go.

  • @tinayoga8844
    @tinayoga8844 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think that blow molding could be another possibility.
    I used to work in a building that did rotational molding. Some of the molds were huge. Two that I remember were feed bins for agriculture. And sceptic tanks. The sceptic tanks were as big as a large 1970s car. And watching the mold for those spinning was quite wild. That and the burners to produce the flames that was used to cook the mold as it rotated. Smaller items were molded in large heated chambers.

  • @3dPrintCreator
    @3dPrintCreator 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi Angus,
    To see if it is really PVC, you can conduct a Beilstein test, using a coper wire that you heat, then use the coper wire to melt a tiny hole into the material, and then use a gas torch to heat the coper wire again. Green flame??? Bingo, PVC.
    I have a video on my channel about the Beilstein test as this is very important for people using laser engravers.
    Great video. Thanks for making this.

    • @MrScorpianwarrior
      @MrScorpianwarrior 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Normally I would say this is self promotion, but you actually do!
      This is good advice!

    • @3dPrintCreator
      @3dPrintCreator 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Steven Hogue I was in doubt if I should mention my channel and decided not to link to the actual video for that same reason. Yet, because of the danger of pvc and the ease of this test, I felt like this is appropriate.
      Sorry if people think it's not.

  • @raphaelmorgan2307
    @raphaelmorgan2307 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really appreciate the way your thumbnails answer the question asked in the title--tricking the algorithm but not your viewers!

  • @Distinctly.Average
    @Distinctly.Average 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Interesting stuff. Oddly, my first big 3D printing project on my new Prusa Mini (Xmas gift) was 3 lithopane moon. I found a design online and modified it with a hole fora stand. I created a stand an inside the moon a tube. I wrapped the tube with led tape, 15 leds in total. In the base I have an esp2866 running WLED software. U used an old Nokia charger as the power supply but could easily fit a battery inside instead. Now I have a moon lamp controlled by the WLED app on my phone. Lots of fun and already stolen by my daughter. Thanks for the channel. Am new to this hobby and have learnt a lot from you.

  • @deltatango5765
    @deltatango5765 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I bought a moon lamp and by the look and feel I was convinced it was 3D printed. Then I printed one myself on an Ender 5 Plus, and realized that the time it takes to print would make it impossible to make any profit from printing, so I've been wondering ever since, how they did that.
    It's very hard to tell the difference between my Amazon-bought Moon lamp and the one I printed, except mine has less detail, which is to be expected since I had just started printing at the time. Because of the rough surface, layer lines are non-existent. Someday I'm going to print a very large one!
    BTW, if you've never seen one of these Moon lamps illuminated, they look incredibly real. It's not just random mountains and craters, but made from an actual Moon map.

  • @BRUXXUS
    @BRUXXUS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'd been wondering about these after seeing so many on Amazon for insane prices. I knew there's no way they could have been truly 3D printed. Glad you dug into this. :)

  • @truantray
    @truantray 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I had one of these fail so I cut out the bottom to use as a lamp shade. The interior is definitely rotation molded and smooth. If it were 3D printed, you would see a seam line. They were sold as 3D printed when this was a novelty.
    Tap switching is a conductive switch on the bottom. See the small metal button.

  • @fillytodneposnide7673
    @fillytodneposnide7673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There’s a reason I love watching all your videos. I have not one iota of an interest in these lamps but I learned so much about manufacturing processes like the rotational molding that I would have never learned about any other way.

  • @dyhr4217
    @dyhr4217 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I have 2 white ones that are for sure 3D printed. I have accidentally dropped both of them (because they are so light and easy to knock out of their base) and they both cracked perfectly along a layer line, and they also clearly have layer lines on the inside.
    I would have much preferred a molded one that wouldn't break from a short fall.

  • @Levent_Ergun
    @Levent_Ergun 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    10:20, you are right . That looks like a tilt switch to me.

    • @stheil
      @stheil 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, looks like an old-school tilt switch, probably just a spring inside that touches the cylinder when it moves quickly

    • @devnol
      @devnol 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      wouldn't it being completely metal make the switch be basically always on and thus not work? I've seen this design used for tilt switches but only with the largest part of the capsule being made of plastic or something non-conductive. That looks more like a quartz crystal honestly. I wouldn't say it 100% isn't a tilt switch but I don't see how that would work
      Edit: a quick google later it seems that metal tilt switches do exist and the way they work is basically just like those coaxial barrel jacks. One pin is the entire outside part and the other is in the middle separated by ceramic or something so the ball always touches the one pin and only touches the other when it's down.

    • @stheil
      @stheil 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@devnol It wouldn't work if it was all metal, true ^^. It's usually a cylinder and a spring, both connected to one pin each and the spring mounted in a way that it doesn't touch the cylinder unless it is shaken. The ones with a ball inside are used as switches that turn on when they are in a certain orientation, so not based on acceleration.

  • @jimcarriesa1911
    @jimcarriesa1911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I worked in the molding industry we used fine powder for rotation molding . We did mold large items so smaller may be abpr to get sway with liquid.

  • @dubi01
    @dubi01 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    another great video Angus! A few years ago you had done a video on 3d printing these types of globes and like many, I did too. I still have my "moon" and I still light it up at night.....thanks

  • @josephbodhorn6511
    @josephbodhorn6511 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm about to do some searching, to find more info, but I think it'd be really cool if you did a video on the rotational mold manufacturing process you spoke of. I have a couple 3d printer, and have heard a a bunch of other methods of manufacturing plastic products, but never seen anything manufactured by spinning the mold to coat it.
    This video was way more interesting than I would have thought it'd be, but your videos always are, so I didn't think twice about watching it. I put off watching the interview you linked to in the printing pioneering video I was watching before this came up at the end.
    Thanks for the link to the interview, can't wait to watch it once I'm done typing. The kinematics of those printers is crazy and I can't wait to hear a bit more about it. Also, I apparently need to spend some time in the reprap forums. If for nothing else, to take a look at the genesis of the crazy kinematics seen in the 3d printing pioneer video I keep referring to

    • @josephbodhorn6511
      @josephbodhorn6511 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      In case anyone reads my comment and is interested in what I was referring to, it was this vid I'm linking to, also by Maker'sMuse
      th-cam.com/video/waQQg1uz-wI/w-d-xo.html
      And here's the interview I Maker'sMuse linked to in the link above
      th-cam.com/video/ZWyFSal1FAM/w-d-xo.html

  • @kuromiLayfe
    @kuromiLayfe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The molds in that video actually reminds me more of device that sometimes is used to make sure plastic is the correct shape after it was cooled down ( especially orbs can end up more oval even with 3D printing .. but putting it in these things and heating it up it can squeeze it in the perfect orb form (this is usually done before the hydro dipping)

  • @04aromeo
    @04aromeo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    10:25 @Maker's Muse
    Yeah, that's the component. It is like a shaking sensor, and it works with a tiny spring inside, so when the spring moves, it makes contact with the outer cylinder of the component and that detects the "shake"

  • @adamsransom
    @adamsransom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you so much for this video! I just picked up one of those lamps (though it didn't claim to be 3d printed), and it was really interesting to see how it was made, and to learn a bit about 3d printing in the process. Thank you for making such a thorough video 😊

  • @SaftTechnologies
    @SaftTechnologies 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just ordered some water transfer sheets. Thanks for the info!

  • @krisseekins5864
    @krisseekins5864 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yo! I didn't realize you put that much effort into the us links! Thank you!

  • @Jonas.N
    @Jonas.N 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The stuff at 13:18 isn’t plastic, it’s a liquid painted on the inside of the moulds so that the next part removes easily from it. The plastic itself is a fine powder.

  • @ericblenner-hassett3945
    @ericblenner-hassett3945 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It could be blow moulded. Similar to rotational except literal ' blowing ' air inside to strech the plastic to the outside of the mould. It is used to make things like whistles, some kids toys.
    The ' mystery part ' could be a tilt sensor. An aluminium tin can with a ball bering and a second contact for the outside to connect to when the ball hits it while rubbing the side.

    • @blahorgaslisk7763
      @blahorgaslisk7763 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      For something basically perfectly spherical blow molding sounds like it would be faster and more economic. I remember seeing a video of bath tubs being vacuum formed. A complete tub took just a few seconds to form and kick out of the mold. Blow molding spheres like these should be about as quick, and it wouldn't need a machine to rotate the mold in all possible directions.

    • @tinayoga8844
      @tinayoga8844 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My thought was blow molding as well. Rotational molding does take some time.

  • @I.____.....__...__
    @I.____.....__...__ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    10:22 Yes, that _is_ how it detects bumps. There's either a metal pin inside, and a spring hanging over it, so that any vibrations cause the spring to make contact with the pin and close a circuit, or the spring contacts the metal can, either way, there's a spring.

  • @armandoa2484
    @armandoa2484 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love it! The power of curiosity is a powerful thing, thank you for another great video Inspector Muse 👍

  • @orange-micro-fiber9740
    @orange-micro-fiber9740 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was amazing. I love the story of the detective process.

  • @ScriptonicPipes
    @ScriptonicPipes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Its's funny, I visited your channel 2 days ago to see if you had posted anything recently. Great work! Also I picked up the g10 and I'm loving it. Thank you

  • @martinmckee5333
    @martinmckee5333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent detective work. Molding makes substantially more sense. I had wondered how it could possibly be economical to 3D print.

  • @TerryLigocki
    @TerryLigocki 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First, very nice detective work! In the end, I like the small white voids as they look like small, worn craters - I good example of using a defect as an asset in the right context, :-). In fact, lots of different textures, bumps, voids, etc. give them a lot of complexity. The 3D printing hype might also work because injection molding is "old technology" and 3D printing is "new technology" (regardless of which is more cost effective, robust, etc.). Companies and apps are always "reskinning" their products to keep them new and fresh even if this means users have to learn new interfaces, cues, etc.

  • @mr_sheen_asg
    @mr_sheen_asg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The metal cylinder loocks like a quartz osculator used for clocking of microcontrollers, processors etc. one of the small chips on board could be an accelerometer, some accelerometers have a build in tap detection, they could also just send the acceleration data to a microcontroller for processing and tap detection, the accelerometer chips are quite small about 4x4mm.

  • @ayylmao.mp3
    @ayylmao.mp3 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    10:20 yes that is some sort of a "tilt switch". Simplest ones just have a metal bearing inside and contacts on the ends, so it can detect flipping it upside down (ball lying on contacts or not), this one probably has a spring inside + the shell as the other contact so the spring wobbles and touches the wall when you bump it.

  • @insaneturbo
    @insaneturbo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and detective work, I like how you can do something I would have never thought about, and keep me hooked until the end!

  • @marinag.7016
    @marinag.7016 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very cool video. I like how you added the processes

  • @ntx9design392
    @ntx9design392 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have to say the best part of this video is learning that Angus is a synth nerd. I have that same Roland JP 8080 seen in the bottom of the rack.

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good find! They'll outlast their keyboard brethren and you can't beat the original supersaw.

  • @fishtripper
    @fishtripper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey you could always hook up a big bright orange extension cord to it, since its a display piece the bright orange will draw the eye to it better and make it pop.

  • @williampflugfelder7099
    @williampflugfelder7099 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Welcome back. Worth the wait.

  • @fallingwater
    @fallingwater 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Absolutely loving the anti-clickbait thumbnail. I wish I could re-subscribe just for that :D

  • @d2doctor
    @d2doctor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video - I've never seen these things before but I love working out how things are made the same as you clearly do. This leads me on to my wheelbarrow (yes really). It appears injection moulded as the sprues and parting line are visible, yet it has layer lines which are clearly from an FDM process. I can't work out how this has been made or why 3d printing would have a place in high-volume plastic manufacture. Surely silicone moulding of something the size of a wheelbarrow isn't economically viable in production quantities?
    Any ideas what process was used for this thing?

    • @PastorMeyer
      @PastorMeyer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      CNC mills can also leave layer lines in metal injection molding molds if to don't take fine finishing passes.

    • @VoltisArt
      @VoltisArt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd also bet the mold tool was made via CNC cutting. You've got the negative from the _subtractive_ manufacturing, meaning your part shows the shape of the router mill's corner or round, which was removed from the mold material. I've seen striations on molded parts before, but they're usually so tiny one wouldn't confuse them with FDM - more similar to a very fine brushed pattern.
      Maybe they decided the part was big enough that visible cut layers didn't matter, as most eyes won't get closer than arm's length. Seems like the texture would make the thing harder to keep clean, though. A quick sand (bead) blast would have beat down the edges of the tool, without more detailed polishing.

  • @brandonfranklin4533
    @brandonfranklin4533 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I imagine it senses bumbs using an accelerometer chip. That other component you pointed out is a quartz oscillator probably used to keep the led driver timed.

  • @jeremycatches9766
    @jeremycatches9766 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think it was an episode of Startrek they had a light that was just a simple sphere and you shook it up to make it light up... I have always wanted one. I think this would be a good project if you could print and install a few magnet shake chargers.

  • @plastikbeau3695
    @plastikbeau3695 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    On the shot with roto-casters (13:00) you can clearly see that what the lady is cleaning up are not supports from 3D printing but flashings from casting process

  • @mattimotion
    @mattimotion 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is such a beautiful debunk video, didn't think I'd learn about rotational molding and Hydrodipping today but I'm glad I did

  • @TheXxPSYCHO
    @TheXxPSYCHO 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You can download the STL file for em and print them at home. Obviously the mass manufacturered Chinese version is not 3D printed because that wouldn't make sense economically. Video is kinda non-news in that respect but still appreciate Angus calling them out publicly for the kids and newbies - good guy that Angus

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's a bit of a false selling point for some of them but the actual manufacturing process is just as interesting imo

  • @Joel-ty2zl
    @Joel-ty2zl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In my opinion, the small cylinder is a tilt ball switch and it can detect mouvement
    Awesome video by the way

  • @jmr
    @jmr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have some glow in the dark filament and this seems like a pretty interesting use for that. Perhaps I could put a UV light inside to charge it.

  • @orangecrocks
    @orangecrocks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great analysis Angus, I did a 10” lithophane of the moon I got on Thingiverse and use a color changing corded led in it on a lunar lander (also from Thingiverse ) shaped stand, fun project

  • @MaheerKibria
    @MaheerKibria 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That component highlighted is definitly a clock crystal something you need since there is a breathing mode. My guess for the sesnsor would be the part connected to V+, G and R on the board

  • @aserta
    @aserta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's pretty damned simple, there's no need to speculate because of that video:
    a. they print the positive 3D part (this can go two ways, but the best way, and the way i'll put it is where they print the features on the inside, leaving the outside smooth, which seemed to match some of the parts they touch/show)
    b. they fill it up with firing plaster/sand and fire it to get rid of the 3D skin.
    c. they make a metal mold of that using an exterior pre-made sphere skin and the plaster/sand core. it's likely cast in two parts so they can remove the 3d part from the inside.
    d. it gets the frame welded around it, then it becomes able to blow mold plastic skins and that's about it.
    the lady with the scalpel was cleaning the excess plastic from the blow molding process.

  • @RedDawn430
    @RedDawn430 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    bump detection is normally a spring switch: a small metal rod with a small sensitive spring surrounding it. when bumped the spring touches the rod connecting the circut.

  • @Cheesius
    @Cheesius 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The video you were showing had text that said they do custom moon lamps, and I saw a bit of one with what looked like a photo of a person on it, I suspect the custom ones are 3-D printed (and that's what that giant array of printers was making), but they mass-produce the rotational molded ones. As to why they don't admit to the molding process, maybe they think they are protecting their secret manufacturing process? I have no idea why they'd do that.

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah I think you're right, custom ones are 3D printed and they just copied over the description for the molded ones.

  • @nipzie
    @nipzie 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mine is definitely 3D printed, you can see all the layer lines. From afar they disappear but picking it up shows you it's print lines immediately
    Edit - I should mention that I have a different magnetic floating lamp, with print lines running all the way across the surface though it appears to be smoothed with a vapour dissolved finish a bit. From the top you can see pinpoints of light where the print didn't perfectly seal it shut too.

  • @programorprogrammed
    @programorprogrammed 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well done Angus, good analysis.

  • @fabianluethi03
    @fabianluethi03 ปีที่แล้ว

    I printed one for the lamp in my room, looks very nice

  • @VitaVers
    @VitaVers 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Busted! Thank you for this video! Sustain real 3d printing enthusiasts!

  • @franco5550
    @franco5550 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice informative video, what type of pcb rgb model would be?

  • @keithtwombley
    @keithtwombley 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    it seems they are hyping 3d printing because it is cool.
    But there's a lot of awesome ways to make stuff which include 3d printing. On TheCrafsMan's channel he has a few videos on 3d printing a master mold and then using it with a consumer-level injection molding machine. Using these techniques you can even cast metal, so you could design and make a metal part using your 3d printer (and a molding machine). Fascinating stuff!

    • @roidroid
      @roidroid 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wonder if they're 3d printing moulds, because they don't last very long. Perhaps each mould only lasts 5-20x casts.
      But the combination of 3d printers & moulding enables the manufacturing to be very agile, able to incorporate changes very quickly.

  • @Duwaru
    @Duwaru 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Possibly they manufacture basic ones using the rotational method, and they offer Custom versions with Logo's or imbedded images that are individually 3D printed? The video you referenced does show a 3D model that had an image or logo embossed onto it. Possible those custom ones sell for more, but they also mass produce basic ones using the rotational pvc plastic method.

  • @zilog1
    @zilog1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It detects the bump via a spring surrounded with metal. when the spring shakes from the bump it contacts the outer metal casing and triggers (what i would assume) a pin in the microcontroller

  • @OriginalBrett610
    @OriginalBrett610 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Awesome intro! Great video as always

  • @wimwiddershins
    @wimwiddershins 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I was thinking rotation moulding.
    Seems like they've gone for low-cost manufacturing techniques.

  • @Soporonix
    @Soporonix 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i just got one of these for christmas,
    and i also bought one for my dad for his birthday

  • @TheAuxLux
    @TheAuxLux 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    From their video (in 13:00 ) you can even notice the "collar" on those spheres openings, and print's are not lifted so high to have those :)

  • @ameliabuns4058
    @ameliabuns4058 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    if the component you mentioned makes a rattle noise, it's what detects the poking , i used something exactly similar looking for my project, it makes an electrical connection when it moves around/rattles I think!

  • @Welshbeechy
    @Welshbeechy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The custom ones are 3d printed as lithophone's, I have printed them myself and they have made the standard moons as cheap to produce as they can. loved the detective work of how they made them

  • @SentientTent
    @SentientTent 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think one other issue with the CJP printing is that you require 100% solid supports for thedroplet based printing. Which would be massively inefficient when your goal is a thin walled shell.

  • @SeanBZA
    @SeanBZA 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shell is probably a blend of PVC and ABS, heavy on the ABS, as that makes it flow better when molten. PVC for the injection moulded base, simply because it will inject better, and will not burn in the extruder, as it melts at a higher temperature and also discolours at a higher temperature. ABS because it is a cheap filler in the PVC, plus adds opaqueness to the otherwise pale PVC. Yes rotocast, easier, you just put in a handful of powder, close the mould and place in the oven while turning, and get a good finish.
    The moulds themselves are very likely made from steel stampings, as they were probably made using a CNC router to make the master moulds, which leaves very similar finish lines to a 3D print, if you do not do proper finishing Then used a hydraulic press to make thin steel shells, so there is low thermal mass, for fast heating in the oven as it goes through. Pressed shells so each one is identical, and very cheap, just heat the sheet to red heat in an inert atmosphere, and squeeze between mould halves. Polish inside, clean off the mould line on the equator, and you get many moulds cheap.

  • @BretekV
    @BretekV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I got one of these for Christmas, identical to the one in the video. I rather like it but being a 3d printing hobbyist myself I was puzzled by ardent claims on the packaging that it was 3d printed. I was briefly confused by the layer lines in some places and not others, I thought maybe a result of their post-processing, set it down, and haven't thought about it since. Even if it was... why do they think I care? I feel like trying to capitalize on 3d printing being a novelty is a few years late with how common of technology it is these days. They're apparently selling well enough I suppose so good for them I guess. If I'm going to get lied to by a company about their manufacturing process, this is about as benign as it gets.

  • @DuckyFuzzer
    @DuckyFuzzer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A lot of water tanks use a process that's the opposite of vacuum forming where they put a sleeve of plastic into a mould heat it up and inflate it like a balloon into the mould

  • @peterjkitz
    @peterjkitz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    you might be right with your opinoin about the part which causes the change of color, piezo crystals are a common way to detect pressures or anything which is applied through pressing on it, like shaking or tapping

  • @BucketOfBlueStuff
    @BucketOfBlueStuff 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice investigation work Angus! Noticing you're starting to build a collection of synths and modular stuff, any chance you might be working on any 3D printed eurorack stuff or anything like that? 👀

  • @hereforthefreewater
    @hereforthefreewater ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great detective work man

  • @marcfruchtman9473
    @marcfruchtman9473 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome info. Thanks for the video. I believe this could be solved by simply looking at the inside of the sphere... but I really like the video evidence of the mould/mold heheh.

  • @Raiden0zero0h2
    @Raiden0zero0h2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am interested in the book at 3:46. Can you tell me the name? I tried to look for "product and furniture design" on kindle but there is none. Do you recommend any similar ebooks to that? I am very interested in the manufacturing processes, especially plastic moulding.

  • @flashtu
    @flashtu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ive done the smaller Version with the same led module from the video and what should i say i give it to friends as a gift and they absolute loving this thing.
    Even the kids which use it as nightlight.

  • @daan8695
    @daan8695 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was actually way more interested in how this was made since the thumbnail told me it wasn't 3D printed. I would be very interested in you explaining how other things are made, Angus! (Since I think you have a degree in that field, if I'm not mistaken.)

  • @badieguwaisem4345
    @badieguwaisem4345 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Learned a lot from this video. Thanks

  • @paultvedt5297
    @paultvedt5297 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Print a blank with some detail then heat it and clamp it in the mold to add in the detail. Just a guess looking at the one on my desk it's to detailed for a 3d printer but I do see layer lines at some spots.

  • @jbrownson
    @jbrownson 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting, love learning about manufacturing techniques

  • @ramirezkine5704
    @ramirezkine5704 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing investigation!

  • @thelevicole
    @thelevicole 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice wall o synth's you got there!

  • @georgegriffin6114
    @georgegriffin6114 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Regarding the bump detection, I am pretty sure it's done with an on-board accelerometer. There are a lot of dirt cheep micros that have those now.

  • @LostInTech3D
    @LostInTech3D 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    you've blown the lid on this one 👍 What a weird idea, that 3d printed stuff is worth more. I'm gonna need an etsy shop!

  • @rushilvasudeva3822
    @rushilvasudeva3822 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I please get to know the books name u used for manufacturing processes was searching for it

  • @silverrendprops9760
    @silverrendprops9760 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can buy the rgb modules off aliexpress really cheap. The batteries come with it and you could replace it with a larger one. At dim the ones I had last over an hour and I used them for 3d printed cosplay props and lamps.

  • @gmscalzo
    @gmscalzo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Angus. I have a moon lamp that I purchased and was trying to figure out if it was really 3D printed or not. I always thought they were molded some way and not 3D printed because I could never really detect any layer lines. Also on another note, I noticed all the keyboards in the background. Do you play? Cheers

  • @volttherobot
    @volttherobot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your stuff - Gotta get you to 1 Million followers by the end of the year! xoxo

  • @Rawshade
    @Rawshade 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i ordered one of these before i got my 3d printer about 2yrs ago and you could upload a photo on the moon and text of your choice. makes me wonder if you are right on the mass produced side but any custom moons etc might be 3d printed as a 1 time piece.

  • @gametec_live
    @gametec_live 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The shock dedector is the white tube show on 10:22 idk how the part is called exaclty but ive seen them and have 1 at home...