1980's Computer fraud | Computer Hacking | TV Eye | 1983
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- Computer fraud 1980's style.
It’s costing British industry £100 million-a-year, the high-technology version of cops-and-robbers with the computer firms trying to make their machines foolproof and the unscrupulous working out new ways to beat the system
First shown: 29/09/1983
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Watch out lads it's the computer squad. Put your floppy discs down your nicked.
*"Put your floppy disks down, you're nicked!"
I used to be part of the Geek Squad. We basically did the same thing.
Oi! You got a loicense for that floppy m8
And we haven't had any dinner.
@FRIENDLY JAPANESE BUSINESSMAN ur*
Oh man that Thames jingle at the start really brings me back.
Yup, Benny Hill from the 80"s for me.
@@DSC800 Rainbow!
Goodies
Minder 😊
@@jerryn9496 Ah so that's where i heard it before.
Was messing around on my keyboard and accidentally found out how to play it.
"The criminal can instruct the computer to fiddle it's owner" ....Wowzers
And then forget it'd even done it.
*its
Ah, those were different times.
#floppydisk
HAL, fiddle your owners!
This programme gives you an insight into the early days of computer hacking.
I love how experimental all this tech was, we were learning as we went.
As we do now.
I still don't know how not to swear in fucking youtube comments.
@@lrrrruleroftheplanetomicro6881 how'd u predict c19 mutation?🤣
@@lrrrruleroftheplanetomicro6881 don't worry you will soon start getting shadow banned
"How the dishonest play the numbers" - quite an appropriate description of modern day banking really...
Love how cool this is, dude was like “here’s a database I accessed using stolen credentials, cool right?”
Back when "hacking into a computer" was a literal phrase.
Hey computer bug was a term because a literal bug got caught in the jaws of a relay in an early computer
Almost 40 years later and we are still battling the exactly same problems. And this is why we need people with experience in IT-Security and not some Students fresh from university who work for close to nothing. To be efficient in IT-Security one does not only need to understand how computers, programs and networks work, but one also needs an in-depth understanding of business needs and requirements and especially business processes. And that you only get with years of experience.
It’s still a problem because it’s a cat and mouse game...and always will be.
While yes, you are certainly right with that statement, i however also hate this statement with an ever increasing passion. Security and especially IT-Security is never about the absolute security. There is no such thing as absolute security, there never was and never will be. That is a fact of life, otherwise we would have secure locks by now and locks exist way longer than IT-Sec does.
So what is IT-Sec about? It is about shifting the odds this little essential bit into your favour. It-Sec is about processes, not specific products. IT-Sec is about Risk Management and Mitigation. If you don't have processes in place to constantly evolve your security, you essentially have no security. And statements like "it is a cat and mouse game' don't help and are just standard statements you hear everywhere. It is a statement of resignation, and that is something you should never do in IT-Sec. And that is also a reason why you need experienced people in IT-Sec and not some cheap student just because he is cheap.IT-Sec is not some account you keep in your books and that only costs money but doesn't generate any revenue. IT-Sec is pro-active protection of all your investments. And to grasp the needs for security you need to be an expert in many fields of the business. Only if you understand the needs of the business and all attached business processes you can effectively build a security process around them. It will never be perfect, admittedly, but hopefully good enough to not cause a complete explosion of the entire company if there is a breach.
There was a study, that said that two thirds of mid-sized companies go down the drain after a major security breach inside the first 6 months. From the remaining one third a further two thirds close the doors after a further 6 months. And all these companies had one thing in common. They didn't invest in IT-Sec. And if a company doesn't invest in IT-Sec then i can only shrug with my shoulders and say "They deserve what they got". And companies that got struck by a breach but invested in IT-Sec ... well they are still today in business and flourish. Sure they had their fair share of trouble and loss to deal with, but they survived.
Those computers with CRT monitors are making my childhood flash before my eyes.
You are ancient
Love the bleepy sounds which go with the graphics. It actually couldn't look and sound more 80s. Splendid!
'Chaps' the most British code name one could think of.
@@andymerrett pip pip
Hahaha hah I know 😃😃😃
not sure if these computer things wil catch on
Old british television always looks like Monty Python
I miss this style of TV. It ended in the early 1990s when TV became like kids programmes, even the news.
ha ha ha
Hardly surprising, they were parodying TV much of the time.
One thing has not changed in the slightest. Once the attacker has physical access they have won.
@Just Gravy
What happened with NordVPN?
1980: Hackers are getting more sophisticated and stealing peoples money online
2019: Governments push for global cashless societies
Government pushes for chip and pin because signatures can be forged and aren't secure
Also government - Use contactless and never have to remember your pin, in no way can that not be secure
Southhampton. A loan manager switched £15,000 from a clients account to his own mothers account! *Space Invader bleeps*
Based on how long it still takes to clear a cheque these days, I wouldn't be surprised if those very sams CHAPS computers were still in use!
You still write cheques??? With a quill pen no doubt.
Am not surprised to read that... :-0
this ok 👍
10:06 that's one HELLUVA industrial-strength comb over.
Mike Woodman LMFAO can't fucking breathe!! loooool
Lol
An executive comb-over, if you will
Wish I could freeze human history at around the 1983 mindest and keep it there.
It’s funny to see how bad they thought computer fraud was back in the 1980’s. What would they have said if they could see the computer challenges of our time? Perhaps it was in some ways easier to be a computer thief back then. Doesn’t sound like there was a lot of sophistication in how it was done. No matter, it was a crime then, and it’s a crime now.
16:41 "... demonstrate how seriously they take the threat to their computer security" ... guy holds a secure locked door open for another guy,
8:17 Back in the days when the "steps" involved in running a program included actually walking to and from the different components of the system.
I miss the Thames jingle. Reminds me of my childhood.
As an American, that's the Benny Hill signal.
@@YayAkiba lol
Whenever I see that Thames logo I think of shows like Benny Hill and Monty Python's Flying Circus from when I was a kid in the 1970s.
For me it was the Goodies!
Not Python; that was on the beeb!
"Love Thy Neighbour" and "Upstairs, Downstairs"
2019: nothing has changed :-(
You change and the world follows.
I would say physical security to the actual computers has gotten much better.
Computer security is night and day compared to when this was filmed. Almost everything has changed.
I agree banks and financial organisations are reluctant to make public their loses due to computer fraud. I have no idea why anyone who is serious about stealing money would choose to do it physically rather than go the cyber route.
16:40 The concept of war games is impossible, oh those silly fools 😂
And soon after this TV program aired across the world for all computer users to see and learn from the computer crime rate increased by 75% within one year.
Really?
@@magiermexico No. There is nothing useful in this program. Shoulder-surfing (how the ICL2900 dial-up & credentials were obtained) has been around for ever. The biggest impediment to unauthorised access back then was trying to find the dial-up numbers: if you couldn't connect, you couldn't try to get in.
You used to have to wardial to find modems. Start a script running on your computer with a modem and have it dial consecutive numbers in a prefix block e.g. 01-200-000, 01-200-001 and so on. The script would let each attempt ring for a few seconds then hang up and move to the next. If you did get an answer within the few seconds, you'd log if you got modem negotiation tones. Later on you'd review the log and you now had a list of lines with modems connected.
How you avoided paying for the huge per-call bill was a different matter, but there were ways.
When widespread Internet adoption started happening in the mid-to-late 90s it made things much more interesting. A lot quicker to scan huge ranges of addresses, very few different operating systems - so when you found a remotely exploitable hole like a buggy mail transfer agent on SunOS4, you now had access to every other SunOS4 machine you knew of.
Good times!
@@TimMatthewsX thanks!!!!!! Master!!! Old school!!! Regards from Mexico!!
50,000 computer terminals in use in business and government! Gosh that seems so tiny now!
I love how utterly formal "business" was back then. Thank goodness I don't have to wear a full suit & tie to work every day!
That does it. I'm never getting a computer.
The days when computer crime was just a matter of dialing in, and entering a password. And the days when modest Brits described their jobs and problems to the media honestly, humbly and without hysteria.The UK was a major development center for all sorts of computers back then: IBM's airline control program development, to name just one. And outstanding (for the time) computer companies like ICL. Those old programmers and technical people in the UK were the best in the world in their time and companies like IBM got heaps of their development done there too. Like their jet aircraft industry, they invented the most amazing stuff, but could never capitilize on it (maybe too modest?). In short, a lot of innovative progress in computing was made in the UK, but the Americans were the best in commercializing for profit, and did it very well - all power to them, but it's worth remembering the UK's role in so much early computer days development.
WOW ! Hadn't heard the term 'VDU' for years !
Modem has the same effect on me and floppy discs. 😉 takes me back back back back in the day.
same here lol
Using an IBM 0day right in from of national television? Okay...
And now ask us for an id:
DANGEROUS CLOSE UP ON THE ACTUAL ID BEING INPUTTED
Fundamental issues are still the same, yet this is recorded on actual film.
Good doco. Btw, i would quite like Received English to be presenting more youtube videos.
5:03 instantly links the banks with each other almost 40 years ago and they still do 5 day holds?
What’s a 5 day hold?
@@pj100565 www.google.com/search?q=5+day+hold+on+check
Thats 5 days they can hold and invest your money then profit before they release the funds to you
Ripple xrp.
@@h4yl3y they do this to prevent money laundering.
I really admire the ingenuity of the motorcycle helmets on the armored car drivers. 😂😂😂
Short burst of Equinoxe Part 4. The producer has taste
I wish I could go back in time with some modern technology can you imagine how shocked and amazed people back then would be
If you could go forward in time with your modern technology can you imagine how unimpressed people would be?
@@maccagrabme child
I thought they sent all the criminals over to Australia already?
Love the 'Futuristic' Jean Michelle Jarre Music.
Oxygene 4 was staple of 1970s and early 80s documentaries :D
Robin Bradbeer wrote the manual for the ZX Spectrum, the Computer Book (for the BBC Computer Programme) and a bunch of other stuff.
1980 "The City of London, the financial center of the world"... 2020 "The City of London... RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!" :S
Commit bank fraud in the 80s by moving large sums of money directly, but take the precaution of sending the money to a friend's account.
16:40 the dude entering the access controlled area helpfully holds the entry barrier open for somebody exiting 🤣
I'm guessing the TSB installation security officer didn't get to review the footage before it was broadcast! Doesn't matter whether it's ingress or egress: you auth to the barrier, you pass the barrier, you close the barrier.
I started a bit later than the date of this film, but still long before the Computer Misuse Act came along. Good memories.
lol computer squad
It consisted of a room of policemen standing up. When the egg called out, if you know what a floppy disk is , please remain standing. Those got the job
Tandem kit. With the Guardian OS. Remember it well
Remember kids - keep your computer tapes safe
What's this tape you speak off?
That was some angry Monopoly playing!
They need to install a firewall that has a countdown to when it will be breached in big flashing numbers on the screen.
CHAPS the automated payment system. Yet it still takes 2-3 days to clear a payment now!
BACS is 3 days, CHAPS is one day I believe...
Here in the EU (Euro) it takes 5 seconds. they call it TIPS (target instant payment settlement)
We have that for a few years now internationally and domestically for even longer
We use BACS now, not CHAPS and is basically instant.
5:02 Tandem NonStop II Fault Tolerant servers
and the TSB server room is still the same...
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"The one thing computers don't do yet, it seems, is make people"
Oh just wait my guy
Sorry 😐
1983: "The one thing computers don't do yet, it seems, is make people"
2019: "hold my beer"
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@Jonathan Carter
We need to use induced pluripotent stem cells to regrow human fourskins.
That opening theme always reminds me of the Goodies goody goody yum yum!
Don't let Darth Vader near that room of computer tapes. 3:18 All inside jobs!! This still goes on folks.
This remembers me the chaos that a hacking to the central inter-bank system causes the past year here in Mexico, resulted that people inside the banks hacked the system to deviate money from inside (not from individual accounts fortunately) and deposit into a "falses" one-time accounts, then the money was retired using a lot of people with necessity, and give they in exchange a tiny commission. In between the transferences were too slow (almost two days to see the transferences), and the government finally accept the hacking. The slowness of the system (SPEI as is call), was caused by a double checking and slow down of the main servers of the central bank (BANXICO). No one has been apprehended.
This is a true story. Many years ago , my mother was ill and asked me to use her , hole in the wall card , to get her some money, from her account . To those in other countries , that are not familiar with this expression . It is a machine set into a wall. That allows an account holder to retrieve money . From their account using a machine , that is set into a wall . Outside the bank building at any time of the day or night, even when the bank is closed. Using a card by typing in a pin number . I did not know my mothers pin number . So she wrote it down for me . When entering her number in the machine at the bank , I made a mistake typing in the wrong number . The machine delivered the money anyway . Realising that I had put the wrong pin . I was in some what of a panic . So rushed in to the bank ,got hold of a clerk. Who of course did not know me and told her what I had done . Thinking I would be in deep trouble with the Police . She was quite unfazed about the whole thing , saying it has happen before ! She used some sort of special card to sort it out. To this day I have no idea what I had done to get the cash !
Wow this computers are like museum pieces now
Ah yes, terminals transmitting and receiving in plain text...
BobEckert56 no encryption lol amateurs 😂 why would you store passwords in plain text?
These tape drives are awesome. They prove to be the real father of the hard drive. Their principle of functionality seems to be more or less the same. The cassette tapes are a totally different league - there you have to press Play and actually wait for the computer to find the info, while on tape drives the computer scans the tapes automatically and detects the data wherever it would be on the tape.
How is that different from cassette?
@@leodf1 casette doesnt loop automatically while tape drive does.
ITN used to run a graphic of the UK with redundancy announcements.
Legendary comb overs in this one.
But can the computer predict the location of the next golden ticket?
Ohk so audit trail.. was this before.. used to be so simple.. there's a database.. there's an application.. and dial in to the computer over the phone line.. place the receiver on the modem so the computers can chitchat, you see a login screen over the terminal, you first log in and then issue commands. 🙂
1983 and this video has WAY better audio quality than most youtube videos
Because it filmed by TV channel costly Camera
50,000 computers - wow. Probably got around 250 million in the UK at the moment including of course Mobile phones.
And the fraud squad turn up for specialist training with lead filled hose pipes. No fraud has been prosecuted cases have always collapsed. Insider dealers just got convictions overturned on technicalities. Like lead filled hose pipes.
No wonder most people I grew up with back in the day are successful today
Take a shot every time he says "computer" you'll be 50 shades of fucked
Hollywood still portray hacking like this.
It's odd how these "security guys" for cash transports wear really elaborate helmets, but they don't seem to have any body protection or weapons.
Perhaps because in Uk bank robbers don't use guns but baseball bats instead!
@@r3n736 Soooooo, an unarmed person (while wearing a helmet) is going fair well against a baseball bat attack? Not seeing your 'logic'...
@@231mac Well it protects the head from blunt damage!
@@r3n736 Guess it's just too bad for the other 90% of the exposed AND unprotected area, huh?
@@231mac Blunt damage with a baseball bat is not fatal in other areas other than the head. Yes you can get bones broken through but a single hit can't kill you like been hit on the head.
Computers were awesome back in the day mainly because they were new and not many people had one. Now everyone has a computer in their pocket which can do pretty much everything so when it becomes common place it's no longer exciting.
Best way to rob a bank is to own one...
As soon as new technology is introduced, new criminals are introduced.
oh, *nooooooo...* more like:
criminals will be criminals, higher technology or no higher technology. 😐 different eras, but same mixed bag of people in the world.
in other words, *s.o.s.* because, *"there's nothing new under the sun,"* as that very old book [in all of it's permutations], which is dear to many, has been telling us for about a few thousand years or so. 🤷🏾
At 04:53, "No, wait! That's our new shredder!"
Ahhh,,, the good times...
what the...?? ..way back in the *1980's??!!* 😱
some things never change
Thankfully today all our highly sensitive, deeply personal information is safeguarded -- so we can post it on social media with confidence!
Haha really? Safeguarded? 😅 It depends what you say it's safe from. Your information is bought and sold.
Today computers are much more complicated, but thieves are much more advanced so the problem won't go away
50,000 computers being used by business & government :O back then you could dial into any computer because passwords were not really a thing yet. just login as default user (root).
I am guessing TV Eye was at least partially where Chris Morris got the name Brass Eye for his current affairs parody show, well TV Eye and Brass Tacks maybe, which was another lame current affairs show on British TV in the 80's. I'd love to know where the plucked the figure of 50'000 computers in use in business from, bare in mind that this was 1983 right in the middle of the microcomputer boom, there must have been an order of magnitude more than that in use by business.
Mate
There were a lot of businesses that didn't use computers back in the early 80s. Maybe due to fears and lack of knowledge in computing. You got remember there were old school leaders that led firms via the old school way.
By 1988 to 1990 shift to computing in businesses started. When I joined my firm as a young lad in the late 80s, most managers were desk bound full of paper work and hardly a Desktop PC in site (before laptops emerged).
Great bit of history
Back to system when was used: FAX
whoa.....what an age we live in.
It's crazy to think that the one phone you are watching this video on is many times more powerful than every computer featured in it. For example the Sinclair XZ Spectrum 48 had 48k (Kilobytes) in comparison my son worked out that his gaming PC has 16 and a half million K. I think it's staggering how far we have come in such a short space of time.
Banks now use computers to create money that doesn't exist and lend it to mugs at interest
Good security measures taken there at 16:47 - he just pushed the door open for his mate lol doesn't matter if he knows him.
At least make it look good dduurrrr
13:11 I remember having a passbook.
This what inspired Matthew Broderick to change his failing school marks in WarGames.
My computer can fiddle me any time it likes
7:50 Hey uh is Martin here the REAL MR. BEAN?? lol jk
4:52 - Is that a cheque for £2.5 million? 😲
there is a £7m cheque, at 4:47. I like cheques I paid in two this morning via an app....... never see that money again, oh well lest i still have the paper copy!
I bet those cheques are from some middle east oil barren Prince somewhere....I mean it was the 80s.
If a man made it another man can break it.
Every age thinks it's at the cutting edge in computing however clunky and user-hostile it seems now. Makes you think about the future...
The biggest Insult on humanity are those glasses 12:52 :D Can't believe this was once fashionable.
Shes called Karen too
If you use 78rpm records for data storage, then obviously hackers are going to attack it with penknives?
I remember my TS1000 in 1983.... funny how laughable the tech was.