It's not there any better. Pressfit is lighter and stiffer. However the threaded BBs are easier to service and maintain. The press fits were getting a lot of negative feedback.
Next year S Works Tarmac SL8, combination of the Venge, Tarmac, and Roubix! Bicycle companies always have to innovative in order to brainwash the consumer! Bike is a bike, the rider is the powerhouses!
Formula one to use Hertz rental cars, all about the driver. Of course companies have a thing called marketing they also have to be at the forefront of technology or they rebrand as Huffy. Rubbish review though,
bluebikeracer1 without Peter Sagan endorsing and riding for Specialized, their brand wouldn’t have a large following and consumer buying follow thru! Like Nino Shurter, Scott would be at the bottom spectrum! Athletes make or break they promote and endorse! Put Sagan on a Huffy 10 speed, he would obliterate 99 percent of the competition in a race! Point being all these High End Race Bikes are worth what fools are willing to pay! Majority of these high end frames are made in China! $6,000.00 Pinarello Dogma F12 Disc Frame set that only cost $500.00 to make and produce! Bike’s cost almost as much as a new 2020 Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic, a Car has 100’s and 100’s of parts to completely make them, a Bike has nothing in comparison!
@@simonassouline45 sorry mate your talking bollox. I own a bike shop I know how much R&D goes into bicycles. Yes the rider makes the difference but Sagan is only winning on a carbon fiber di2 deep dished wheeled Huffy. Should be writing this in ink with a quil pen because who needs evolution.
Trek, BMC, and Specialized. Full on internal integration with cables makes for an incredibly clean looking ride. I know many complain about access with maintenance but come on, how many are having to service their headset or remove cables on a regular basis? Not a lot. I hope Canyon goes full internal.
Great review. My only quibble is that Cycling Tips tends to overhype the threaded BB standard as a cure-all panacea. They may not creak, which is a big win for home mechanics, but they allow manufacturers to produce bikes with less precise tolerances. I'm glossing Hambini here of course.
Is it significantly more compliant than the current venge? I am asking cause i current ride a venge but prefer to have the compliance of the old tarmac
I would still choose Caley's Ti bike over most bikes including this. Though to make his bike closer to perfection for me. I wish the bike industry would make medium to long drop direct mount brakes with a aftermarket fork to fit up to 33mm cyclocross tyre. For anything up to light gravel to winter rides with mud guards/fenders.
Looks exactly like any other new released bike with the same marketing bla bla. Do not swallow it. To put this comment in perspective: I can affort one. Your old bike is equally fast with the same rider on it.
I guess the next Roubaix will be Tarmac frame, slightly slacker geometry, 300g future shock as the only difference. I feel that’ll be the bike for majority of people
So, you think Peter Sagan is going to be on this new Tarmac, or the Venge? I do suspect that CCC (or whoever they are called this year) is likely going to be mostly on the new TCR rather than the Propel.
I'm cynical and most of these new releases are lighter, more aero, more compliant, (and more £$£$£$£$) etc However, I'm actually impressed with the tyre clearance on this; they say 32mm - I reckon you might get a bit more in there; ideal if you ride on rough/potholed roads.
They claim it’s more aero. No independent peer reviewed data supports that. Just Specialpriced marketing BS spoon fed to gullible muppets like you. 😆😆😆
That green paint must've been made exclusively with the UK market in mind...love their British racing green. Don't think most Americans would have that color their first pick.
@@norcalchrismeister I have one and the colors are amazing up close. The pictures don't do justice to the actual appearance. I ordered it in October 2020 and it came in on March 2021.
@6:17 answer: a tarmac sl7 s-works with dura ace drive train.. I personally, prefer Ultegra for the price. Lol..im that guy you see in the park with an Ultegra groupset with dura-ace disc rotors...peace
@@VeloVeloVeloTV You know that is not how it works for 95% of the riders. Unless you're one of the top pros, you ride what the sponsor wants - in this case, the SL7. It was different before with the SL6 and the Venge, because Specialized wanted to position two models in the market.
Watched South Park today. So naturally with him on the tracks I'm just waiting for him to go: Oh long Johnson... Oh long Johnson... oooooooh long Jo...
Another ridiculous bunch of bs. Newest isn’t the always the best. Marketing hype and way over priced. I’ll stay with my SL 6 thanks. Wish I would have kept my SL5. Aero means nothing for 98 percent of riders. Body shape. Bike positions and wheels. It’s all so subjective. Ride upgrades. Don’t buy them.
@AG Coarseman just 4 years ago you could get an S works for $8000. Don't know why they only make them for pros now. Any experience with the lower end sport models or comp?
Disc brakes really spoilt the look of the bicycles. it truly is the biggest gimmick in the history of bicycles. it is really sad. With the disc brakes, aerodynamic is down the drain.
Your comments on press fit are inaccurate. Issues with press fit BB are more to do with poor frame tolerances utilised by the bike manufacturers. Threaded doesn’t help if the frame is built poorly. Press fit is utilised in many industrial applications and is the preferred modern solution. Do your homework next time rather than just repeating urban cycling myths. If the QA was done to a professional standard by these bike manufacturers, you wouldn’t have creaking bottom brackets
I can assure you that Cycling Tips has done their homework with regards to this topic, Caley just chose to focus more on the bike than have a long discussion, again, about BB types. It sounds like you know what you are talking about with regards to BBs, but if you are curious to know more about why bikes often don't satisfy the design requirements to make for a good BB fit, then I encourage you to check out the CT podcast history, they have some awesome stuff in there about this.
The problem, of course, is that QA often isn't done to a professional standard. So given that fact, threaded BBs offer quick and easy maintenance and thus less creaking in the long run.
CyclingTips so my obvious response is why would you pass over $10K or more for a top shelf bike that lacks QA to a professional standard. Surely this should be a given at this price. There are bike manufacturers that do achieve these standards such as Look and Time, so it is possible. The other question is, if they can’t QA the bottom bracket effectively and therefore need to resort to an inferior BB design, what other parts of the bike are similarly lacking in quality. The reality is we are talking about the pinnacle models from these manufacturers and consumers are being duped by being handed anything less than excellence in engineering. The price alone should justify proper quality assurance.
Caley: How much quicker is this bike?
Specialized: 45 seconds
Caley: How come?
Specialized: Yes.
Accurate.
because it's 12000$
Pretty damn accurate
This is minutes faster than tarmac sl3, hours than a 1st gen tarmac.
@@antoinemaxima6036 And they cost 2% of this price. Which one is worth more?
32c might actually be the largest that fit because usually the chainstays are the limiting factor, not the fork which was shown.
A marked 32c tire on wide (21-25mm) rims would measure closer to 34-35mm probably.
So now a threaded BB is better than a press fit? I'm waiting for square tapered setup to come back. Or maybe cottered cranks will be the next thing
It's not there any better. Pressfit is lighter and stiffer. However the threaded BBs are easier to service and maintain. The press fits were getting a lot of negative feedback.
Next year S Works Tarmac SL8, combination of the Venge, Tarmac, and Roubix! Bicycle companies always have to innovative in order to brainwash the consumer! Bike is a bike, the rider is the powerhouses!
Totally agree. A bike is just a tool
We need aero gravel with micro suspension :D
Formula one to use Hertz rental cars, all about the driver. Of course companies have a thing called marketing they also have to be at the forefront of technology or they rebrand as Huffy. Rubbish review though,
bluebikeracer1 without Peter Sagan endorsing and riding for Specialized, their brand wouldn’t have a large following and consumer buying follow thru! Like Nino Shurter, Scott would be at the bottom spectrum! Athletes make or break they promote and endorse! Put Sagan on a Huffy 10 speed, he would obliterate 99 percent of the competition in a race! Point being all these High End Race Bikes are worth what fools are willing to pay! Majority of these high end frames are made in China! $6,000.00 Pinarello Dogma F12 Disc Frame set that only cost $500.00 to make and produce! Bike’s cost almost as much as a new 2020 Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic, a Car has 100’s and 100’s of parts to completely make them, a Bike has nothing in comparison!
@@simonassouline45 sorry mate your talking bollox. I own a bike shop I know how much R&D goes into bicycles. Yes the rider makes the difference but Sagan is only winning on a carbon fiber di2 deep dished wheeled Huffy.
Should be writing this in ink with a quil pen because who needs evolution.
If they keep making bikes that are faster than 30 something seconds each time, we’ll all wind up with a bike that is as fast as rocket 😂
Trek, BMC, and Specialized. Full on internal integration with cables makes for an incredibly clean looking ride. I know many complain about access with maintenance but come on, how many are having to service their headset or remove cables on a regular basis? Not a lot. I hope Canyon goes full internal.
Specialized's full internal routing isn't too big of a headache to work with, but still, it's not a piece of cake.
LOL gullible muppet.
Great review. My only quibble is that Cycling Tips tends to overhype the threaded BB standard as a cure-all panacea. They may not creak, which is a big win for home mechanics, but they allow manufacturers to produce bikes with less precise tolerances. I'm glossing Hambini here of course.
The bike industry isn't exactly known for tight tolerances regardless of BB type. We'll take no creaks (or easily fixed creaks) every time.
@@VeloVeloVeloTV 12000 dollars...
Caley. Great review as always. Hummingbird attack at 8:54.
Never had a problem with my shimano press fit bb in my giant bikes
What colour way is that?! Love it, but can't find it!
Wolverine is that you???
Is it significantly more compliant than the current venge? I am asking cause i current ride a venge but prefer to have the compliance of the old tarmac
I would still choose Caley's Ti bike over most bikes including this. Though to make his bike closer to perfection for me. I wish the bike industry would make medium to long drop direct mount brakes with a aftermarket fork to fit up to 33mm cyclocross tyre. For anything up to light gravel to winter rides with mud guards/fenders.
got a feeling venge will maintain its followers for now
bnzboy I still prefer the venge.
As a Venge owner you can count me in that group
Yeah probably not since it's now been discontinued.
Looks exactly like any other new released bike with the same marketing bla bla. Do not swallow it. To put this comment in perspective: I can affort one. Your old bike is equally fast with the same rider on it.
Will a 700c 44 tire fit the bike
I guess the next Roubaix will be Tarmac frame, slightly slacker geometry, 300g future shock as the only difference.
I feel that’ll be the bike for majority of people
Is that not what the roubaix is right now?
Saurabh Kulkarni it’s close to it but the frame isn’t the weight of a Tarmac frame yet from my understanding
I see a lot of this happening to other climbing bikes, aero is everything these days, my new tcr echoes these changes for 2021 as well.
“Aero framesets” are marketing BS used to sell silly priced cheap Chinese cookie cutter CF framesets to gullible muppets like you. 😆
@@rcg9573 Ah yes, I can buy an aero bike or an aero optimised bike from a manufacturer, I must be a fool for buying one of the two.
So now that the front forks are snapping, is there going to be any reporting on this?
Check this weeks regular Podcast and also the Nerd Alert pod later this week - Dave
@@VeloVeloVeloTV Thanks I'll try to do that
So, you think Peter Sagan is going to be on this new Tarmac, or the Venge? I do suspect that CCC (or whoever they are called this year) is likely going to be mostly on the new TCR rather than the Propel.
even before the tcr 2021, CCC dont ride the propel
I'm cynical and most of these new releases are lighter, more aero, more compliant, (and more £$£$£$£$) etc However, I'm actually impressed with the tyre clearance on this; they say 32mm - I reckon you might get a bit more in there; ideal if you ride on rough/potholed roads.
Funnily, this release is not more compliant, nor is it lighter. Just barely more aero.
They claim it’s more aero. No independent peer reviewed data supports that. Just Specialpriced marketing BS spoon fed to gullible muppets like you. 😆😆😆
Exceptional review appreciate real rider POV
LOL gullible muppet.
That green paint must've been made exclusively with the UK market in mind...love their British racing green. Don't think most Americans would have that color their first pick.
da fuq you talking about. That color is FIRE!
i want that color, and i'm american. it's nowhere close to British racing green.
I'm American and green would be my first pick.
@@norcalchrismeister
I have one and the colors are amazing up close. The pictures don't do justice to the actual appearance. I ordered it in October 2020 and it came in on March 2021.
@6:17 answer: a tarmac sl7 s-works with dura ace drive train.. I personally, prefer Ultegra for the price. Lol..im that guy you see in the park with an Ultegra groupset with dura-ace disc rotors...peace
Venge isn’t dead. Sorry
Even in the info that specialized released the Venge is still more aero. Slightly but still more aero.
If you believe any of their marketing BS aero frameset claims you are the Webster’s definition of gullible and stupid. 😆😆😆😆
Real Abe Lincoln hours in this video.
Love the color
Is 45sec an average rider on, or a pro rider?
It's no rider, It's all bs
Tarmac or Emonda?
Emonda for me. Maybe the SLR 6 ( 2021 )
Emonda 🤘🏻
I always enjoy his reviews! If I win the lotto, I'll consider the new Tarmac.
The paint job is really pretty. The rest not so much.
I guess you don't follow Hambini
That vertical compliance of the rear triangle is great! ;-)
No one should
See on aeglane rattas 2019 venge kiirem
Kinda sux if you sell specialised bikes and the value of yr floor stock just plummeted...?
I think this might eat the new BMC's lunch. BMC are running out of ideas, having been the first with dropped seat stays.
Caley is great at his job.
Why thank you - CF
Wait, so you're saying that pros will ride the bikes that their sponsor wants them to ride? I'm shocked.
Pros generally have the pick of a sponsor's available models. Some picked the Venge before, few will now even though they still have them.
@@VeloVeloVeloTV You know that is not how it works for 95% of the riders. Unless you're one of the top pros, you ride what the sponsor wants - in this case, the SL7.
It was different before with the SL6 and the Venge, because Specialized wanted to position two models in the market.
TRAIIIIIIN!
Bike Hack : If you loose weight, you'll save 12000$.
In before somebody fits 650b wheels on it.
Annnnnnd no tubeless wheels. Whack.
Varmac or Tarmenge
This feels like a great choice for crit racing, but with so many crashes, would you dare?
Among Specialized bikes, the Allez Sprint would be the best choice. I mean, it's made for it.
Another bike from Specialized you cannot actually buy, either because you don't have the money or rather because you can't buy it anywhere.
Correction: the Venge is cheap!
time to rob a bank.
SL7 Dura Ace Di2 - 19500$ 🤦🏼♂️🤷♂️
Watched South Park today. So naturally with him on the tracks I'm just waiting for him to go: Oh long Johnson... Oh long Johnson... oooooooh long Jo...
Specialized sl7 like sl6, minimum different....
so its a scott addict?
Nope
So is your objectivity and critical analysis of bicycles. DOA. 😆
Almost a tron bike, but not.....
Where’s the excitement ?....... the Threaded BB?...... it s very inoffensive.....
Most people don’t buy things that offend them
It’s an English expression........
How's that recall going? lol
Thanks for the shit review. Paid for by Specialized.
Another ridiculous bunch of bs. Newest isn’t the always the best. Marketing hype and way over priced. I’ll stay with my SL 6 thanks. Wish I would have kept my SL5. Aero means nothing for 98 percent of riders. Body shape. Bike positions and wheels. It’s all so subjective. Ride upgrades. Don’t buy them.
45 seconds faster over a distance of 40km. That means it is only faster 1.125 second for 1km distance 🤔
why hype up a bike that only rich people can buy which is sold in limited quantities?
@AG Coarseman just 4 years ago you could get an S works for $8000. Don't know why they only make them for pros now. Any experience with the lower end sport models or comp?
Making a video while standing on a railroad is not really clever.
Disc brakes really spoilt the look of the bicycles. it truly is the biggest gimmick in the history of bicycles. it is really sad. With the disc brakes, aerodynamic is down the drain.
Your comments on press fit are inaccurate. Issues with press fit BB are more to do with poor frame tolerances utilised by the bike manufacturers. Threaded doesn’t help if the frame is built poorly. Press fit is utilised in many industrial applications and is the preferred modern solution. Do your homework next time rather than just repeating urban cycling myths. If the QA was done to a professional standard by these bike manufacturers, you wouldn’t have creaking bottom brackets
I can assure you that Cycling Tips has done their homework with regards to this topic, Caley just chose to focus more on the bike than have a long discussion, again, about BB types. It sounds like you know what you are talking about with regards to BBs, but if you are curious to know more about why bikes often don't satisfy the design requirements to make for a good BB fit, then I encourage you to check out the CT podcast history, they have some awesome stuff in there about this.
The problem, of course, is that QA often isn't done to a professional standard. So given that fact, threaded BBs offer quick and easy maintenance and thus less creaking in the long run.
CyclingTips so my obvious response is why would you pass over $10K or more for a top shelf bike that lacks QA to a professional standard. Surely this should be a given at this price. There are bike manufacturers that do achieve these standards such as Look and Time, so it is possible. The other question is, if they can’t QA the bottom bracket effectively and therefore need to resort to an inferior BB design, what other parts of the bike are similarly lacking in quality. The reality is we are talking about the pinnacle models from these manufacturers and consumers are being duped by being handed anything less than excellence in engineering. The price alone should justify proper quality assurance.
I am a size 58 frame if wanna gift the review bike 😃