LBC caller tells James O'Brien: ‘Don’t call them liars’
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- "Calling someone a liar is a serious accusation."
Aidan phones in to take issue with James O'Brien and the RSPB's assertion that Conservative ministers have 'lied' about their promise not to weaken environmental protections. Lying assumes intent, Aidan argues. James, meanwhile, is quite happy to 'call someone who lies a liar'.
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I don't know if I should laugh or cry at this. This caller is why we have these corrupt fools in power.
Tbf he is more like a symptom of the Tories.
@bluegold....ok...I'll give you a like..now you can go to bed...😊
Its a conservative follower thing, look at them in the US. No critical thinking skills at all.
If you want to listen to real lies, just listen to Keir LOL
@@michaelathanasiou2030A lie is a lie. Common now. 😊
Being more concerned about calling someone a liar rather than the lie itself is truly astonishing
But sadly not uncommon among a particular class of people. It's the idea that etiquette is more important than action, promoted by public schools and certain religious groups since time immemorial.
I have a gaslighting abusive parent and they will scream at me for calling them a liar and try to create a fight out of that to deflect from the lie itself
There's a brain block, it's called the ego.
That's what they have to resort to when they know that their position is horrible and can't argue the actual position.
More concerned about calling someone a liar than the lie itself. The English are the only nation in the world who could manage this.
The literal definition of "liar" is: A person who tells lies. They lied. They're liars.
Caller: "Well, not necessarily!"
Don’t call this bank robber a “thief”, call them “someone who found themselves in a financial quandary which caused them to seek funding via less-than-legal means.”
less than legal implies they did something wrong, I'm sure this caller would object.
Don't call him a murderer; call him a "person un-aliver enthusaist."
Oh yes, three blind mice = equals a number of small rodents derived of their optical capacity....
@@UnknownGamer40464 Not necessarily......
This is the level the Tories have dragged our country to. It makes me sad.
It will be worse under Labour
@@haleytownsend7544That's all people like you ever say.
Brexiteers for you
@@haleytownsend7544Brexiteer aren’t you
Pragmatism, course-correction, and semantics vs pragmatics don't equal 'lying'
This guy needs to understand that the government ACTING in bad faith is VERY MUCH WORSE than calling them liars
Fco 30-1048 worth a look into. Lying is not half the issue.
The George Constanza defense yet again: "It's not a lie if you believe it".😂
Bring back Boris immediately
@@richardmcrandal6696
Just to dismiss him immediately afterwards as well, for a lark.
@@fluidthought42 Beautiful Boris
We don’t call enough politicians liars. They do act in bad faith.
It hurts my brain trying to comprehend the mental gymnastics we are asked to do to excuse some liars
He's going for gold 😂😂😂
This caller holds random commenters on twitter to a higher standard than people who are in elected office running the country! 😂
That's the Right Wing Playbook for ya
Precisely! You've nailed it 👏
Totally that's it!
Sounds like a SNOWFLAKE ❄ who doesn't respect FREE SPEECH (when it doesn't suit him and his caste)
Wheres the results of Goves unlawful poll on Scots independence, that he was ordered to publish by the courts?
So not just a liar, but, a breaker of the law.
😂😂😂 Translation: Don't call liars liars because it might make them seem like ... liars.
😂😂😂😂😂
If the cap fits......
Dear Lord the mental gymnastics of this caller are beyond infuriating. How James put up with him for that long is amazing to me. 🤬🤬🤬
I work with a soft touch like this caller. They are scary people simply because they can justify ANYTHING with a smile. This caller is a disgrace and part of the reason these lying professional politicians get away with it. In fact, this caller disgusts me on a visceral level.
To defend Tories against lying generally would take a certain quality of ignorance.
....against any party I'm sure you would agree...😊
@@chatham43 Regretfully as regrettably, yes, I could not disagree.
Tory and Labour
@@jake751 at minimum.
@@jake751 Last honest Party leader was Corbyn and look at how he was treated by the mainstream
Poor Aidan, I think he actually believes the Tories are well intentioned and any lies they tell are justified because they know best and he just can't accept what a massive mistake he made by voting for them.
'i like little birds but i dont like paying tax' poor little love is confused.
.....did he say he did...missed that...😊
🎯
Once you pop that most apex exceptionalism pill, one becomes infallible to everything else, including logic and critical thought, by default.
At this point, most sane people would cringe at having to face up to and eat that factual humble pie. But not me, fudge-yeah I rule!... no matter what your silly facts say!
@@chatham43 that whole conversation was a "tell me you vote conservative without directly saying it".
unless he's just triggered by the word liar because of his own misdeeds.
That caller, is the simple reason this country is where it is. And for him to say that the call is about standards in public life, but you can’t accept the fact that the government consistently lie, is beyond ridiculous
4:43 best line ever. “What are we going to call the liar who has lied if we’re not going to call them a liar after they lie?”
The caller loves his pretense. “If you pretend hard enough, a liar isn’t actually lying.”
He's effectively lying about the lying... and lying to himself most of all.
It's hard to wake a sleeping man, but impossible to wake a man pretending to be asleep.
Was James lying when he took money from the Tories to scare you about the severity of COVID and the need for vaccines? Redacts.
If you don't LOOK at the lie, it could be true ...?
@@jcspoon573I mean, that’s the thing, he KNOWS it’s a lie, he said himself that smg was promised and not given, he just refuses to label the liars as such (which, imo, is worse than believing a lie)
This guy 😂. “They lied but arent liars!”
Tories have trashed this country
Meaning that this gentleman has been accused of being a liar at some point and doesn't think he is. (so clearly justifying it on national radio is the sensible thing to do.)
What did he think he was doing 🤣 , trying to defend this.
@@ravd8082 yeah they have, it baffles me why he thinks they didnt act in bad faith when literally nearly every decision they have made since they took power has made the country actively worse, and people told them before it would. Its not like they didnt know theres negative consequences, it just didnt effect them so they didnt care.
Yeah but stop small boats.
Caller is correct. Narcissistic doesn't equal narcissist
There’s nothing else you can call someone who lies but a liar!!
They earned that title.
But it is funny that they
don't want to call out the NON TRUTH TELLERS.....
seems a bit wack
Obituary, liar lol believes there own lies
The only thing more infuriating than a liar is a fool who will not call a liar a liar. End of.
What he wanted to say: "In the realm of untruths and fabrications, our protagonist skillfully wove a tapestry of fanciful narratives, concealing the veracity of their words beneath a veneer of eloquence and artifice. With an air of utmost conviction, they embarked upon a symphony of deceptions, each uttered syllable a meticulously crafted note in a melodious composition of falsehoods. Their disingenuous discourse, adorned with embellishments and adorned with the finest ornaments of deceit, left those in their presence ensnared in the beguiling labyrinth of their untruths, forever captivated by the charm of their mendacity."
That is beautiful. You a writer? Looking for work?
Yeh!! what you said. Lol
Hacker: "Um . . . . . . Sorry??"
Bernard: What he said was " In the realm of untruths and fabrications, our protagonist skillfully wove a tapestry of fanciful narratives, concealing the veracity of their words . . . "
Hacker: "Yes, I know what he said! What did it mean??"
I wish I had your eloquence. A perfectly worded piece suggesting what the caller wanted to say.
Sir Humphrey is back ;)
A Lie is a Lie ... no matter how you look at it !
Not really... some lies are only.. untruths....
@@jasonking1284 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Things to call someone who has broken a promise;
Unreliable - Someone who cannot reliably be expected to keep said promise
Reneger - Someone who just changes their mind and reneges on the promise
Liar - Someone who made a promise with no intentions of keeping it
One of these is true in this case....none are things I would like any government to be. Go on Tories, take your pick.
in fact, at least two of these seem to be true
This person on the phone, NEVER admits he is wrong.
You can't call someone a liar in the House of Commons, even if they have lied. If you do, you will be removed, so that the liar may continue to function.
But you can ask a question is the PM a liar ? The only place where lying is protected.
THAT makes sense./s
A rule made when MPs had swords on their sides. The accusation in that era would almost certainly result in some kind of a duel, a demand for "satisfaction" or, if not forthcoming, a full and public apology. That hardly applies these days so the rule should be changed.
In some ways, the idea of not being able to call another politician a liar in the house of commons makes sense, because it muddies the waters and as per how both government ministers brief the HOC and individual MPs make statements in the house, the facts and figures covering in a statement to the house are usually looked over by under-secretaries or chiefs of staff/ SPADs. The best way of sorting out a situation where a figure is botched or incorrect is to assume no ill-intent and request that people correct whatever was briefed incorrectly ASAP.
What's new with the current lot (Bodger before he went, Rees-Mogg, Coffey, and many others) is that they'd just come out with whatever they thought up on the spot or what people with no morals like cummings advising them told them would be politically savvy to say, even if a complete lie. It fits in with James O'brien saying how these people In power have broken the system because the limited system of checks and balances couldn't possibly contain them - if the system has tried to hold them accountable, they'd just bend it to their will. That's when calling them liars has become appropriate and more than reasonable.
@@chrissilver7719 You can't use that word at all!
They've demonstrated 13 years of inconsistentcy. When will these people stop defending the indefensible?!
Ooh ooh ooh ooh false gods,.
Unfortunately they won’t.
Cut off their big-oil allowances and they will quickly scarper back into their mouse holes.
Never
....the disastrous lockdown being a prime example...totally agree...
“What are we going to call the liar, who has lied, if we’re not going to call them a liar, after they lie.” 😂 the guy on the phone is an absolute spanner 🔧
That caller`s logic had me crying with laughter and the fact he couldn`t admit he was wrong even more so.
I find myself really curious as to how this caller expected the call to go.
"Can you give me an example?"
"Sure. Here's an MP, they've promised not to reduce environmental protections, and then they do. What would you call them, other than 'a liar'?"
"Fair enough."
it almost seems like satire doesnt it?
@@kanedNunable
A Monty Python sketch.
Ironically he is lying to himself.
My teacher used the term “misinformation specialist” when parents would go on a tangent of “don’t call my kid a liar” or “my kid isn’t a liar”. It made us all laugh like crazy, well all but the parent in question 😂
So maybe we should start referring to people as misinformation specialists instead of liars and it has the added bonus hat they might think its a compliment 😂
😂😂😂 So many news outlets and politicians fit that definition.
I love that description. I will add to my dictionary if you don't mind. The American system is polluted with Misinformation Specialist! Now I have another arrow in my quiver. Thank you!
Anyone who says "My kid's not a liar" doesn't know their own child. All kids lie to avoid getting into trouble.
Or, to quote Hansard: "the honourable gentleman on the opposite benches is guilty of a terminalogical inexactitude".
@@attackpatterndelta8949 So do all adults ... particularly those in public office ... that's the problem.
They are liars. And they know it. To still think not is dysfunctional.
So when is it ok to use the word liar? Ridiculous man.
I was listening to this when driving, I nearly crashed the car due to the Caller’s ineptitude
....which part of North London were you driving through...?😊
Its entirely due to people like this caller into LBC that the Country has been landed with Tories for the last 13+ years. People who cant accept the their politician, parliament and Ministers have lied, deceived and u-turned on about every policy or pledge made to us. They are blinkered, and what surprises me most is that they will defend all these lies. any moral society would not tolerate these lies and would rebel or invoke some form of reaction to remove it rather than condoning it
No, if you had crashed, it would have been due to your own ineptitude.
I wish James O'Brien was in the US. Talk about making someone squirm. What a master at breaking down BS.
In my town that's a cutthroat interviewer
You have John Stewart, he’s pretty great and telling liars they are liars to their face too!
Sorry but we need him here in the Uk!
Both James O'Brien and John Stewart are great at great at breaking down BS which is great to see, but we are in a ocean of BS with most of our politicians BS'ing their way though life every day of the week, all day long.
@@col.hertford9855i think you mean John Stewart. James Stewart was an actor and is dead but he had Its A Wonderful Life
Imagine twisting yourself into a pretzel in order to try to not impugn the character of those who by own actions have proven time and time again that they have none.
Forget trying the verbal gymnastics, they ARE LIARS !
Incredible really.
After forty-nine years I despair with regards peoples difficulty with truth.
Thankyou James for the work you do.
💜
One who lies is a liar. There is no other definition.
One who is narcissistic may not a narcissist. So you're wrong
...brilliant...that dictionary wasn't wasted...😊
....even when he's lieing about being a liar..?
@@SOBNo1
Classic misinformation there. Provide an example that appears to be a parallel but actually isn’t.
You are using “narcissistic” and “narcissist”, which are both descriptors of a person.
By comparison the op is using “liar” and “tells lies”. “Liar” is also a descriptor of a person, but “tells lies” is not. That’s the behaviour that earns that person that descriptor.
Can you define what a lie is, though?
Many people seem to not know what it actually means...
(I think the conservatives lie about probably just about everything, including this climate issue, btw)
It's like listening to a cheated on and beaten spouse say they love the person who's lied to and beaten them for 13 years.
and have more concern for the people that pointed it out to them
Stockholm syndrome, a literal description of the British public at this current time.
Caller knows he has lost the argument and is just going all in😂
All of his chips are on table 🎲 🃏No backing down now 😅
We’ll done RSPB 👊
He's a master at exposing just how confused many very ernest people are.
I remember being told that worst lies are the ones you tell yourself, the caller may very well be going a long way to proving that to be true.
I was driving and listening to the man who found saying the word ‘liar’ extremely extremely difficult. I don’t think he was ever taught this word that’s my explanation. Even my French bulldog was rolling in my car seat laughing. James was mega polite don’t know how he does it!!!!
Truth is dying with ever word out this caller mouth WOW
It's baffling that he's so resistant to the word liar to describe someone who lied.
Yes, but you might hurt the liar's feelings by calling him out.
Often the smeller is the feller. He can't seem to tell the truth either.
Just not cricket, old boy
They are portrayers of untruths but liar is concise and hits the nail on the head.
Let’s make a law that says your allowed to call individual Tory MP’s liars. Even though they are liars.
The problem with not calling out LIES 'directly'... is that they can/do germinate into things much worse.
Exactly
After the American conservatives introduced us to the concept of "alternative facts", the British conservatives are introducing the concept of calling lying "doing something that's not consistent with what you said you will do" :)
Stop blaming America for all of your ills - it’s just lazy.
British people and it’a government have been lying before the United States was even established.
The old fashioned politician strategy of dodging questions and speaking vaguely has now been essentially replaced with bare-faced lying.
Then you also get a few dozen fake Twitter accounts to disseminate those lies and muddy the waters.
Job done. Much easier than effective policymaking.
Labour have done similar with facts
@@martinnorman2579Labour hasn't been in power for 13 years. Try another one, Nadine.
@@martinnorman2579another American habit ! Whataboutisam
These people have a right to vote!
They are liars. End of.
....so they lied....and not just failed...?
@chatham43 I've replied to you 3 times, but TH-cam has decided in its ridiculousness to remove my comments. Last try before I cancel my subscription... The Tories have both lied and failed. One begets the other.
It's harsh to call people liars just because they're consciously telling you untrue things in order to deceive you.
This is what decades of propaganda, designed by liars have done to peoples brains. It has convinced them to defend outright crimes, for the purposes of exploiting people just like this caller. Imagine if someone broke into your house and stole everything, and then you defend the burglar because the burglar has somehow convinced you that pointing out the crime is somehow worse than the crime itself...
It might well be, but I'd give it a go personally.....
They said Brexit would be great for Britain and especially Johnson and Sunak, are they liars?
clearly yes.
You are awesome Mr. O'Brien!!!! Wish we had more media people like you here in America! Keep up the amazing work.
I love the way James manages to call the government and Gove liars over and over while giving the caller every chance to offer another word. Right on, James. Someone needs to call government out and those who choose to cover for them.
Pragmatism, course-correction, and semantics vs pragmatics don't equal 'lying'
@@adarkimpuritysemantics.
@@machidaman You're learning a new word, eh?
@@adarkimpurity New word? try quisling, you might fight it illuminating.
@@adarkimpurity So they said that they weren't going to weaken environmental protections and they are. Would you call that honest?
Imagine living next door to that caller
We do live next door. I watch you coming out of the shower most nights
i get the idea he lives in a mansion so you wouldnt see him much ;)
@aidans34 cheeky torie no pictures please
@@aidans34😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
My rose garden would be thriving after he joined the french foreign legion or something I don't know all I know is he isn't living there any more.
This must be why it is banned for MPs to call each other liars in parliament, even when the person being called a liar is a proven liar.
James is absolutely right on this. DO NOT back down from calling people out directly for their behaviour. LIARS can't stand to be actually called out for LYING, and now everybody is at fault for calling them LIARS??? Everyone complains about everyone being too PC until you call a LIAR a LIAR and then suddenly we should find a nicer way to say it so we don't hurt their feelings or their reputation. You can't have it both ways. The hypocrisy is beyond belief. Again, I believe it is very important to see consequences when you lie/mislead people, especially when you do it knowingly.
This guy is definitely Rees-Mogg's scriptwriter.
Critical thinking doesn't seem to be one of the tools in Aidan's toolbox! The more I listen to him the more I think he is a pratt!
let use be fair to other pratts, he is a maga pratt
I think you're being kind to this person. His lapsing into aggression (his soft voice mask slipping) gives the game away to me. He comes across particularly arrogant as well.
James was talking to a Tory voter...which has recognised that his Party has been deplorable - but can't quite come to terms with his Party's utter lies and corruption...!!
“I ain’t callin’ you a truther”
- Josh Nichols
I love how definitive James is, I am old enough to have seen how over the past thirty years how people have become accustomed and indoctrinated to accept spin.
About the same sort of time the UK was in the political union, funny right.
Never leaves the comfort of his studio and just moans all the time - the would-be activists he is!
@@adambinnie1332 “never leaves the comfort of his studio” yep, that’s literally his job! Give your head a shake!
@@adambinnie1332 Oh dear.
@@notjustforhackers4252?
Over here in Florida, US, we call em Republicans, and they're fine with being called that
I suggest you look at the state of American cities under the rule of Democrats before you comment.
@@flyboy747uk ..and I suggest you look at the red states, the welfare states.. Blue states are the only reason we have a positive GDP (and why James doesn't "debate" with bs.
@@flyboy747uk I live in the heavily Democratic Boston area, and we're doing great!
Group identity is literally holding us back as a species! 😢
Nope. Still going to call them liars. It's what they are.
What a waffler……he will definitely stand for the Conservative Party at some point in his life and no doubt get elected somewhere. Oh dear!!!
...or any other party...totally agree!
He probably already has
A future Tory Prime Minister ..........🤩
He's probably a Tory party activist
If you're not calling him a liar that makes you a liar.
Someone needs to revive Monty Python to parody this.
This kind of ludicrous pretense that vague notions of manners are more important than calling out lying is that prehistoric.
When people are more worried about politeness than people lying to them to their detriment.
The caller has a lot of time on his hands, wish he'd come over to mine and help me with my housework instead of prattling on 🤣
Smiles! May I be second in the queue?
None of it would get done. He’d try to persuade you that work carried out in the house isn’t called housework. A rigorous investigation needs to be carried out first to see if work would be involved and whether your dwelling can be termed a ‘house’.
@@Knappa22hahahahahaha
Hopefully you would have some headphones to block out that prattling you would otherwise have to endure whilst being helped with the housework.
@@Knappa22 got it in one! 🤣🤣🤣
RSPB: "We apologise for our 'Liars' comment."
The last line of their apology? “So, the framing of that tweet, where we called out individual people, we felt was incorrect and inappropriate, and we apologise for that.”
Remember when Dennis Skinner was told off for calling half the House crooks, and he amended the statement to half the House are NOT crooks? The RSPB do.
"We're sorry we called out individuals. We meant to say the government in its entirety are liars."
I’ve just googled “liar”, and the definition is “a person who tells lies”. The legal definition of a lie is “the misrepresentation of one or more facts in order to gain a benefit or harm another person, where the actor knows or should know that the misrepresentation will be relied upon by another person.”
So yeah, it sounds like Michael Gove is a liar.
"this is about the jury and they will have made their conclusion by now. Thank you."
DUNKED
You could replace 'liar' with 'betrayer' as he betrayed his own words and the public he gave that assurance to.
Betrayer gives the impression of some grand scheme whereby he had to jump through hoops and intellectually deceive.
He lied.
Also see Brexit.
That's more accurate, actually. Unless there's evidence of the lie.
Which is possible, they feel so untouchable that they don't mind admitting their crimes in writing or on video these days.
What is it that makes people think standards in public life are more important than truth in public life? I'm from the US. We've let lying in public life become so normalized that meaningful conversation is impossible. We can't discuss solutions to issues because we can't agree on the reality of our issues. A large part of it stems from a media company owned by one Rupert Murdoch. I believe you folks in the UK are familiar with him. Look at our quadrupole-indicted former president if you want to see the consequences of not calling out a liar in public life.
in the UK parliament, you can lie with impunity. you get kicked out for calling someone a liar even when proven, says it all doesnt it?
@@kanedNunableWe have the speech and debate clause, which protects members of Congress from a host of issues. I've been trying to keep an eye out for UK news because the similarities to what we're experiencing in the US are rather informative.
Bunch of liars, no other word for it, just who’s interests are they looking after.
Beyond what we “call”, surely the more important thing is what we “do” about them !
At the moment they lie…..and they get away with it with NO CONSEQUENCES!
What this guy saying to do about politicians is the very core problem of this political system…
Absolutely
This man should have the right to vote taken away.
LOL Im tempted to say that reading the sun or daily mail should be a disqualified voter
@@jamespaul6315 just implement an IQ test ;)
North Korea sounds like a perfect home for you
@@chrisj9700 north korea is right wing, so lets send all the right wing folks there. They will have secure borders and as much austerity as they can handle
Apologists are always hilarious.
James is fantastic at telling like it really is.
oh please, this is why we have problems...he's upset about people being called liars, pathetic, oh also they are Liars
"You know - there's a character limit on Twitter..." 🤣😂😅
I wish I had the ability to hold these people accountable through conversation the way James does
I think the point is that calling someone a "liar" means you can show that not meeting the promise was always their intent. If you can't show that then it's not appropriate to call them a liar. A better word would be maybe "incompetent" or "flip-flopper" or something along those lines.
How about deceitful mendacious chancer, is that better than using the liar slur? To be honourable you have to behave honourably see...
Lol was waiting for the bit where James asks on a scale of 1 to 10 how do you feel this call went for you ? Gutted now lol
James Thank you for calling out enablers like that caller.
About about time we started calling liars in public life liars.
What the caller was looking for was: "alternate truth"
I think this caller is going to need a chiropractor after the contortions he got himself into!
this is just like top quality and well timed stand up comedy.
Well done James. Wonderfully tied him up in his own words.
Listening to James destroy Fools is a simple pleasure
That caller is definitely a liar. Only a liar wants the word "liar" banished from the vocabulary.
liar is for the plebs not the toffs.
If I was that caller I would go and have a LIE down after that grilling!
Holy Jesus !!! Sometimes I struggle to believe if some of those calls are actually real . 🙈🙈🙈🙈
This is hilarious, thank you James for the entertainment and education.
I hereby think we should change the Oxford dictionary definition of "liar" to "Tory"
Your excuse for Blair and WMD is?