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That is Kelly’s fault at this point. She should put in her rider that she doesn’t want to be asked any Beyonce questions. Celebrities almost always know the questions being asked before the interview. Especially on a talk show
Lol, I'm sure she knew about the questions and agreed for those questions to be asked because let's be honest, the larger part of the audience are more interested in the info of the popular person in a relationship even if the relationship is long over.
Even doe it’s their most successful album, survivor is not their best album it’s more of the singles and a few deep cuts that were good the album as a whole is messy and mixed. I personally consider the writing’s on the wall as their #1 best album followed by destiny’s full-field. The writing’s on the wall is much more cohesive, has better jams like so good, bug a boo, sweet sixteen, say my name, confessions and outro, and is a full classic
Their first 2 albums were the best because it was DC4. They all were perfectly insync with eachother and grew up together. Imagine if the original DC4 did Survivor, 8 Days of Christmas, & Destiny Fulfilled. It would've been ☄☄☄☄ But we were robbed of that dream. Or at least i was 😞
Destiny Fulfilled is their best work to date to me. Every track on there could have been a single, especially Free. You could tell the group had matured to the beautiful grown adult they grew up on. I hate how Michelle William’s is often times not given the credit considering she ate the bridges up on all the tracks and basically held her own. The entire album is a mixture of gospel, R&b, hip hop/rap, and pop. A good way to end the best-selling girl group of all time.
Thank you for this thoughtful observation. People outchea in the comments section forgetting about the quality of their decision-making capabilities at 18, 19 and 20. We should also not forget the added pressure/advice/insistence from influential adults at the time. She was growing up... and now, as grown, matured women, ALL the original members managed to reconcile their differences and make peace with the past.
and it makes sense as the 90’s and early 2000’s are cemented into being a girl group period in music. you could say girl groups are still a thing and popular but really no girl groups have scratched the surface since DC ended cause solo artists have been the wave since mid 2000’s. like T-Boz and Chilli from TLC said “the girl groups would come back eventually, that era will come back. like when the rock bands disappeared, the groups came on the scene and now it’s solos”
I feel low key if little mix had a chance to breakout in america that would’ve been the first since them achieve a US #1 single especially during the glory days album era
Survivor era was the group at its peak. Tho' the album was lukewarm to me with some great gems sprinkled in (Fancy, Happy Face, Independent Woman).But, there's no doubt they were MASSIVE at that point.
@@sunkissedswoozeyray6055 I agree, TWOTW was their best album. I simply said The Survivor album was them at their peak... Meaning mainstream success... I'm not sure what part of that is unclear?
LaTavia wasn't just a dancer. She was a singer & rapper starting out. As a 10 yr old, "Survivor" was a stelluh album. At 29, the album to me now is corny and cookie cutter and definitely hit or miss. 8 Days of Christmas was a great album. But their debut, "Destiny's Child" & sophomore album "Writings On The Wall" will always be their strongest albums in MY opinion. Great video btw!! Been a Destiny's Child fan since day 1!! Edit: I always wondered what "Survivor" and the rest of the albums would've sounded like if the original DC4 recorded, and stayed. They had the formula down with the original members but dropped the ball because of ego, control, and divide & conquer 🤷🏾♂️
@@bsbncandey It came and went to me but it was great for its time. It's not an album i listen to much, but 2004-2006 was a great time when it came out. They 2012 hit "Nuclear" was dope!!! Very nostalgic
@@bsbncandey Destiny Fufilled is their best album hands down. A lot of ppl say TWOTW because it was their true ascent to mainstream popularity and that album holds a lot of memories for ppl. And it is good and certainly a classic. But song wise, writing, production, what has aged the best?? Destiny Fufilled. Ppl slept on it because it was mostly mid tempo R&B songs and folks expected more pop shit from them. That album could've been released yesterday(with the exception of maybe Soldier).
I agree with it being a cookie cutter pop album but if you look at vocals from beyonce in songs like happy face and emotions” you can see beyonce was in her bag vocally get into Beyoncé’s vocals in the survivor album
8 Days of Christmas is messy and noisy, and doesn't deserve to be put on the same plane as their studio albums. There's a reason why no one plays it. I agree with the rest of your post though, though there are a couple of songs on both Survivor and TWOTW that have aged terribly.
Fun fact: Kelly Rowland wasn’t the first person to put out a solo project during Destiny’s Child. It was actually Michelle Williams who came out with a gospel album that I believe did not perform well. A lot of people say it was Kelly who made the attempt to embark on her solo career because her debut album Simply Deep and her smash single Dilemma with Nelly was a commercial success than Michelle’s first album.
It was the best selling gospel album of 2002 watchu talking about ? Gospel singers don’t really need big certifications, it performed moderately well in US
@@simonyanga9551 i did not know that. Thanks for informing me. I was just pointing that fact out because there are people who did not know Michelle was doing solo projects before Kelly.
It did amazing on the gospel charts selling over 200,000 copies in the us and over 500,000 copies worldwide. It charted on #1 on the gospel charts and won 2 awards.
Okay my biggest thing is…. They could have kept Latavia and Latoya for Say My Name. It was the main single other than bills we actually heard them on.. the environment seemed very toxic
Right! It was really petty especially since they were still in limbo. Mathew did that on purpose to throw his weight. It was too much of coincidence he did it for the single LeToya leads on...
nah it just so happened they fell apart at that point. the video shoot was already scheduled when LeToya and LaTavia terminated their management agreement with Mathew, and apparently if they didn't shoot the video with SOMEONE, there wouldn't have been one.
Letoya and Latavia put in separation of management papers, which ended in them getting fired because not only were they signed to Columbia they had a management deal with Mathew
I just recall being 16 years old rushing to Virgin Megastore after school to purchase Survivor on its first day of release May 1, 2001. The title track is still one of my favorite DC singles. I also remember the album booklet was a fold out poster that featured the 3 girls w/ their hands interlocked raised up in the sky wearing the same jungle fur bikinis seen in the Survivor video. I felt very empowered listening to DC3 as a teen. Not to mention you had a BLACK female group dominating the radio and Billboard charts in an era of mostly white teen pop stars (Britney, NSYNC, Christina etc) These girls were able to sell 663,000 copies their debut week on this album... still the highest first week sales by any girl group in music history. #Legendary 👸🏾🙌🏾
Second nature off DC’s first album was such a beautiful song. One of their best deep cuts. DC3 with Michelle Williams was by far the best to me. All members of the group had their shine and could sing solo parts in a song. Even though Latavia and Letoya were good friends of Beyoncé and Kelly, they felt more like backups more than actual group members. Destiny Child’s come up and history is one for the books. From internal conflicts to media scrutiny, they managed to prevail. I thought Survivor took two weeks. I know it was a short period of time, but i did not know it was twelve days. That album did seem rush though. But the old trick in the book is that whenever there is controversy surrounding a group or the members in a group, people want to capitalize off that and catapult their albums in terms of sales and charts.
I think a lot of you are missing the point of him highlighting this album. The point is it is what shot them to worldwide fame and recognition. Yes it’s not the best album by them but it’s important because their lead singles really catapulted them. For example Baby One More Time is not a good album but it had the lead single Hit Me Baby One More Time which catapulted Britney Spears to superstardom. And their lead singles were very strong lead singles that were very popular. I agree that the Writings on the Wall was their best album but it’s not the album that caused them to go into super stardom. Sometimes that happens, the better albums aren’t always the most popular. Also this album is special in the sense that Beyonce was the main writer and producer for the whole album. She crowrote and produced writings on the wall but it was still Kandi Nad DarkChilds mainly writing.
Ohhh I’m definitely aware I’m just stating how in retrospect survivor wasn’t great but I understood why it was the album that cemented that as a girl group legend bc the singles in particular were amazing and also the album was a good response to all the drama going on with the constant lineup change and who truly is the lead singer of the group. It’s similar to Katy Perry’s teenage dream in my opinion, like teenage dream as a whole is not a great album and far from Katy’s best but it’s understandable why it made her the pop icon it did especially concerning the singles, the videos and the perfect timing around its release (2010-2012)
This is not true at all. Writing's on the Wall outsold in the US by a lot (3.5 million copies difference), and did similar figures (although usually a bit worse) in every other major market. TWOTW is their breakout album.
@@molokwuchinonso9249 Sorry you are correct about the sales number I mixed the two up, but Survivor did have higher first week sales numbers and also did better singles wise. Independent woman as Flashy says was #1 for 11 weeks. And bootylicious coined the term and got it into the dictionary. Like I said I agree writings on the wall is the better album but the singles on Survivor have more cultural impact in pop culture and did better sale wise.
every other girl group after DC can never reach DC's level. they can try but they can't. it's crazy how bey literally produced and wrote majority of the tracks in survivor (or all of them) !!!!! that determination alone, sis was WORKING WORKING PHEW !! and she managed to take out all the disses made at her into money. BEST REVENGE IS YOUR PAPER !!!!
Well, Tommy Mottola used his machinery against Mariah. Look st Beyoncé now, she cannot even outsell 3x platinum. She was a fraudulent songwriter and fake sales queen who cannot even reach Diamond with the songs she allegedly wrote.
The singles on Survivor were just bigger. Independent Women, Survivor, Bootylicious....huge pop anthems. And Beyonce wrote basically wrote or co wrote the entire. The cd retroduced the Knowles family bred group as a realigned trio who ditched r/b for pop.
Let be Honest, Letoya and LaTavia WAS getting UNDERPAID... this is facts. if it was you, why the hell would you settle for little to no money while working so damn hard?????
I like this...finally someone got the story right ...good job on putting this story together guys...also there's a book called "becoming Beyonce " by j tiborelli that everyone should check out...you guys did good on the timeline and detailed stories...as a millennial I appreciated this
J Tiborelli book was good on the early years, but then he started fabricating stuff for the later years. The official Destiny's child biography(survivors) is goes in depths
They're only group that's has "disbanded" if they drop tour dates tomorrow...the tour would be sold out....and drop an album....it would be at the top of the charts....
Kelly’s tone in this album and Dilemma is my favorite sound of her career. She sings softer and more nasally, it makes a beautiful high and light candy sound. She sings so beautifully. And never did it again ☹️
‘Survivor’ was amazing and a sonic bliss!! You can say it was 2001’s ‘RENAISSANCE’. They used a mix of harmonies, sounds, & beats. I didn’t understand the album when I was younger, but it’s soooo amazing to see how ahead Beyoncé’s mind was even back then.
I wish latoya and Latavia weren’t kicked out also Mathew knowles should have never been a manager we all know destineys child was Beyoncé that’s the reason they named the group that
Honestly, I find the Survivor album to be a mixed bag. Some songs were very good, but there were a few to be quite bland. Beyonce’s oversinging didn’t make it much better either. I will say it was refreshing to hear Kelly and Michelle have their own solos in most of the album. My personal favorites are Bootylicious and Brown Eyes.
@@Kevin-rg3yc yes, definitely! the writings on the wall felt more mature content-wise. survivor felt like they were really starting over as a different type of ensemble, which was appropriate because that's exactly what they were doing.
@@ramsaycarmichael true plus that was the only time where all the girls in the original line up had control in the songwriting and producing process, kandi from real housewives of ATL talked about individually talented and creative all the girls were as songwriters i wish they extended it in the vocal arrangements with the girls singing the lead
Snoop said 'bootylicious' way back in 1992 on Dre Day.. I always thought of that back when everyone assumed Beyonce coined the term.. anywho, this was well done.. I miss the music of the late 90s/early 2000s.. it had a unique sound
My favorite DC albums: 1. The Writing's on the Wall 2. Destiny's Child/Survivor (I love both equally) 3. This is the Remix 4. Destiny Fulfilled (eh this album was ok) I LOVE the original lineup. Especially with Latavia bringing attention to the lower register. That Writing on the Wall album I used to bump everyday after coming home on the school bus...I used to sing with it on my karaoke machine like I was a member of Destiny's Child, every 👏🏾 single👏🏾 day👏🏾 lol I would love to see a tour of all of them coming back, except Farrah for obvious reasons.
I always roll my eyes to the back of my head whenever people say that the Spice Girls are the greatest girl group of all time. Destiny's Child have always be #1 when it comes to vocals and dancing.
🙄 Oh lord, here comes the Letoya and Latavia fans who still can’t seem to get over something that happened 20 plus years ago. Survivor was a solid album. It’s most definitely the most upbeat pop album by them. The Writings On The Wall is Destiny’s Child opus with Destiny Fulfilled coming in a close second.
Beyonce should’ve stuck up for her friend that dad of her’s is an awful man smart in business tho. Still annoyed about the way he handled people comparing Chloe Bailey as the next beyonce. He was so damn rude about it
You know that's why she fired him after sasha. Lets think- Beyonce was a teenager making it big on the Hollywood scene. She only trusted her dad. He says 'Whatever i do it's for your good'. She gets mature, she understands her dad was trying to sabatoge her friend's careers and fires him right after getting commercialized, cause after single ladies everyone knew who she was. I guess Beyonce made mistakes, but you have to understand her situation.
@@takemyhand1988 he was all but fired after he sided with the label regarding B'Day. (that ended with Jay personally dropping the master off at Columbia.) IASF was her idea.
I hope Beyoncé NEVER has a destiny child renunion. The other girls can get back together but I hope she doesn’t join them. For one, destiny child fans like to rewrite history. Secondly, as much as no one wants to admit destiny child wouldn’t have been as big if Beyoncé wasn’t lead. Thirdly, Beyoncé is doing better by herself solo. She doesn’t need destiny child fans bullying her on the internet. So no. I would never get back together not after the way the media treated her after the group broke up.
It may be controversial but for me Beyoncè did have an attitude towards the other girls...I mean there are video proving that she was a bit of a diva. Yes she was/is talented (and so are the other ladies ofthe group regardless weather you liked them or not) but lets be honest: she sang lead and riffs, she spoke for the other girls during interviews...Having you father as the manager def. put her on the top...the group did revolve around her.
Cough Cough, There is a girl Group from the 2010s that might be on par with DC despite never fully breaking into America, which is Little Mix, as of 2021 they have sold just as many records worldwide as DC, they have more top tens and top twenty on the UK Singles chart as well as being the most streamed GG In the history of Spotify
Little Mix are in no way close to Destiny's Child at all in every aspect, especially commercially. They're a non-factor outside of the UK, and even there, there's a lot more successful music acts than them.
Really, they might not be recognized in the USA but it didn't stop them from amassing over 60 million records worldwide the same as DC right now. Not too mention having 5 number 1 singles on the UK Singles chart. If it wasn't for Beyonce (who is an icon and living legend) DC wouldn't have been as successful because she was the lead singer and the face of DC, whereas LM are all leads in the thier own way.
@@molokwuchinonso9249 “they’re a non factoid outside of the UK” well no, they are huge not just around Europe but also hugely in Asia, Australia, and South America and developed a major cult following here in the United States. The reason they weren’t able to breakout here is bc of their label and Simon cowell, Simon did everything in his power to stop LM from breaking out in particularly bc he didn’t want them to outshine fifth harmony
@@Kevin-rg3yc Where is the major following in Europe when they've never had a Top 50 in Germany or France, the two biggest European markets after the UK? Where is the major following in Asia when their biggest song in Japan/China/Korea is a Charlie Puth(who is ACTUALLY huge in Asia) feature, and none of their other songs are even a quarter as successful as it? Let's not even talk about the US and Simon Cowell, because why would he deliberately limit them from breaking out there when it would make him more money? Stop the delusion.
You can't "empower women" by creating division and favouritism among them then stripping them of their careers for refusing to just be props 🤷🏾♂️. Mathew Knowles comes across as a narcissistic bully enabled by his family who believed their daughter should be the centre of attention despite the group dynamic. There’s a shocking level of disrespect and abusive entitlement here. Godless. It's telling that despite their latter successes and popularity they never critically or commercially surpassed the Writings on the Wall era with the original lineup. 4 was the score!
Yeah, it's funny how much of a hypocrite Beyoncé was. She sang about women empowerment but dismissed her members. She sang about slutshaming.and yet here she was singing with no clothes on.
Beyoncé never dismissed any members, y’all are delusional Letoya and Latavia put in separation of management papers, which ended in them getting fired because not only were they signed to Columbia they had a management deal with Mathew!
I believe the girl groups who carried the girl group legacy after Destiny’s Child are The Pussycat Dolls, maybe Little Mix (I’ve never listened their music tho) and now Blackpink. I haven’t seen other pop icons.
DC was not "always about empowering women". Look at the song "Nasty Girls" on the Survivor album. It's putting other women down for wearing revealing clothing... Something DC often did themselves, lol.
Internationally little mix are not well known they’re more uk and is based, they can’t take the spot of DC who were globally known and massively selling, little mix is a good group, and pretty fine vocally, but sales etc naaah
It's quite disappointing that you only mentioned Kelly and Beyonce's depression after the group's split. The effects on Latoya and Latavia were even more devastating.
Pffftt, no one cares, they sued Beyoncé and Kelly TWICE to get money, so no sympathy for them. It’s for that reason there will never be a time Beyoncé and Kelly works with them again.
@@redzoom7857 I totally disagree. They have all made up which has been made public. These women understand that they were kids when this all went down. The adults involved were more at fault namely Matthew Knowles and everybody knows that. They were kids and it was traumatizing to them all. Yes they took them to court (I don't know how old you are) but I'm old enough to remember how bad the public treated and disregarded those girls. Beyonce and Kelly were able to go on but L & L struggled and they deserved every penny because they worked for YEARS to make that group what it was and all parties involved KNOWS it.
@@millianalove They didn't deserve money off of the song Survivor, that was a money grab by thirsty individuals looking to take advantage. Secondly, I recall Beyoncé being villainized over the split by some fans and in the media. Lastly, never gonna happen, for as much as people love to hate on Beyoncé, any Destiny's Child reunion goes through her and all the times she's brought DC3 out for a cameo performance, the other girls were never invited and won't be. They won't get anymore checks off of her and Kelly. They can be cordial with the ex-members, but business is a different story.
@@redzoom7857 For that specific song: the lyrics were a violation of a previous lawsuit. That they were not to speak negatively about one another. Though I love the song survivor, it was WIDELY seen as a did to the former group members which further hurt their professional careers, and back to my initial point, their mental health. It was defamation.
9:45 peep how Aaliyah was not mentioned as the top stars of that time. Idk how y’all think she was in “Beyoncé’s way”, in which she’d take her out .. Insanity is an illness !
I feel the label forced them into a pop album. They went from 2 pure RnB albums to straight up pop. Not saying I didn't like the album, but it was definitely miles below TWOTW
You can tell how calculated and manipulative Mathew and Beyoncé were when they smapled the "Makidada" song for the DC-3 Outro. They were not sisters at all, they just needed Michelle as the piece to prove that there wasn't a problem in the group, when they did LeToya and LaTavia wrong. Even Kelly was guilty, she's now closer to LeToya after getting depressed for what happened. You can also tell know awkward she feels when she is always asked about Destiny's Child. Even Michelle doesn't miss being in the group.
Letoya and Latavia put in separation of management papers, which ended in them getting fired. They weren’t fired for no reason or because the group woke up and felt like It. Not only were they signed to Columbia they had a management deal with Mathew which means THEY asked to be let out of their management contract. If they were such good friends why didn’t they let Beyonce and Kelly know they were trying to separate management ????
@@COSMICCFREQUENCY144 they didn’t want to be fired . Mathew (they felt like) was playing favorites they wanted a NEW manager not to discontinue the group in anyway . Mathew lied and said they’d be able to record the say my name video and perform it at the Grammys but they never did and Kelly and bey went solo while they were left in the dark until they seen the video premiere on BET
Kelly is so underrated it’s ridiculous she was on Ellen and the guest host mainly asked questions on Beyoncé
That is Kelly’s fault at this point. She should put in her rider that she doesn’t want to be asked any Beyonce questions. Celebrities almost always know the questions being asked before the interview. Especially on a talk show
And that was so disrespectful cause they should've been about her
@@AikiraBeats exactly
Lol, I'm sure she knew about the questions and agreed for those questions to be asked because let's be honest, the larger part of the audience are more interested in the info of the popular person in a relationship even if the relationship is long over.
@@joyandpeacefullaughter5307 true but she has done a lot and should be recognized for it
Even doe it’s their most successful album, survivor is not their best album it’s more of the singles and a few deep cuts that were good the album as a whole is messy and mixed. I personally consider the writing’s on the wall as their #1 best album followed by destiny’s full-field. The writing’s on the wall is much more cohesive, has better jams like so good, bug a boo, sweet sixteen, say my name, confessions and outro, and is a full classic
I agree with u
The Writing's On the Wall sold more than Survivor 😉
Their first 2 albums were the best because it was DC4. They all were perfectly insync with eachother and grew up together. Imagine if the original DC4 did Survivor, 8 Days of Christmas, & Destiny Fulfilled. It would've been ☄☄☄☄
But we were robbed of that dream. Or at least i was 😞
I agree, I rarely play many songs from their last two albums but I could listen to writings on the wall straight through
Destiny Fulfilled is their best work to date to me. Every track on there could have been a single, especially Free. You could tell the group had matured to the beautiful grown adult they grew up on. I hate how Michelle William’s is often times not given the credit considering she ate the bridges up on all the tracks and basically held her own. The entire album is a mixture of gospel, R&b, hip hop/rap, and pop. A good way to end the best-selling girl group of all time.
Their best album is The Writings on the wall followed by destiny fulfilled. Although Survivor was important and needed to introduce DC3.
Destiny fulfilled is honestly my favorite
I agree with this comment
A lot of you in the comments forget that Beyoncé was a teenager during most of these years... stop blaming her for all the things that you didn't like
Thank you for this thoughtful observation. People outchea in the comments section forgetting about the quality of their decision-making capabilities at 18, 19 and 20. We should also not forget the added pressure/advice/insistence from influential adults at the time. She was growing up... and now, as grown, matured women, ALL the original members managed to reconcile their differences and make peace with the past.
"Later on in my destiny I see myself having your child I see myself being your wife and I see my whole future in your eyes" -Beyonce
The fact that "Bootylicious" is the last #1 by a girl group on Billboard Hot 100 tells that no other group has reached them in decades
and it makes sense as the 90’s and early 2000’s are cemented into being a girl group period in music. you could say girl groups are still a thing and popular but really no girl groups have scratched the surface since DC ended cause solo artists have been the wave since mid 2000’s. like T-Boz and Chilli from TLC said “the girl groups would come back eventually, that era will come back. like when the rock bands disappeared, the groups came on the scene and now it’s solos”
Is it really?
I feel low key if little mix had a chance to breakout in america that would’ve been the first since them achieve a US #1 single especially during the glory days album era
I think fifth harmony "work from home" went #1 I could be wrong
@@Officiallyjoeyt debuted at #12 on the billboard hot 100 and peaked at #4
Survivor era was the group at its peak. Tho' the album was lukewarm to me with some great gems sprinkled in (Fancy, Happy Face, Independent Woman).But, there's no doubt they were MASSIVE at that point.
Nah their last album was them at their peak
@@franchescazamora1726 musically but not commercially
@@jul.2636 Exactly
Their best album is The Writing's on the Wall so no idea what you are talking about. 😂
@@sunkissedswoozeyray6055 I agree, TWOTW was their best album. I simply said The Survivor album was them at their peak... Meaning mainstream success... I'm not sure what part of that is unclear?
LaTavia wasn't just a dancer. She was a singer & rapper starting out. As a 10 yr old, "Survivor" was a stelluh album. At 29, the album to me now is corny and cookie cutter and definitely hit or miss. 8 Days of Christmas was a great album. But their debut, "Destiny's Child" & sophomore album "Writings On The Wall" will always be their strongest albums in MY opinion. Great video btw!! Been a Destiny's Child fan since day 1!!
Edit: I always wondered what "Survivor" and the rest of the albums would've sounded like if the original DC4 recorded, and stayed. They had the formula down with the original members but dropped the ball because of ego, control, and divide & conquer 🤷🏾♂️
What do you think of Destiny Fulfilled? I feel like no one ever talks about that album.
@@bsbncandey It came and went to me but it was great for its time. It's not an album i listen to much, but 2004-2006 was a great time when it came out. They 2012 hit "Nuclear" was dope!!! Very nostalgic
@@bsbncandey Destiny Fufilled is their best album hands down. A lot of ppl say TWOTW because it was their true ascent to mainstream popularity and that album holds a lot of memories for ppl. And it is good and certainly a classic.
But song wise, writing, production, what has aged the best?? Destiny Fufilled. Ppl slept on it because it was mostly mid tempo R&B songs and folks expected more pop shit from them. That album could've been released yesterday(with the exception of maybe Soldier).
I agree with it being a cookie cutter pop album but if you look at vocals from beyonce in songs like happy face and emotions” you can see beyonce was in her bag vocally get into Beyoncé’s vocals in the survivor album
8 Days of Christmas is messy and noisy, and doesn't deserve to be put on the same plane as their studio albums. There's a reason why no one plays it. I agree with the rest of your post though, though there are a couple of songs on both Survivor and TWOTW that have aged terribly.
Beyoncé is really amazing and Destiny's Child were so ICONIC. I miss this ERA of music. Survivor is a very important álbum to me!
Fun fact: Kelly Rowland wasn’t the first person to put out a solo project during Destiny’s Child. It was actually Michelle Williams who came out with a gospel album that I believe did not perform well. A lot of people say it was Kelly who made the attempt to embark on her solo career because her debut album Simply Deep and her smash single Dilemma with Nelly was a commercial success than Michelle’s first album.
It was the best selling gospel album of 2002 watchu talking about ? Gospel singers don’t really need big certifications, it performed moderately well in US
@@simonyanga9551 i did not know that. Thanks for informing me. I was just pointing that fact out because there are people who did not know Michelle was doing solo projects before Kelly.
Michelle Williams had a number one with that album. She did very well, plus she awarded with many awards for this album
@@simonyanga9551 time to edid ur posted comment
It did amazing on the gospel charts selling over 200,000 copies in the us and over 500,000 copies worldwide. It charted on #1 on the gospel charts and won 2 awards.
finally something good to watch
Ikr all my notifications were boring today
Regardless of all the controvercies, their music is part of my early 20s life (reminds me of my old cd player)
Can you please do the insanity of Beyoncé’s Dangerously in love album
soon......
Conceited Prince please is unnecessary it’s very annoying
Start blow ya horn NOW ha! I like this!!
@@sherryhannah498 thanks for informing me your opinion when I didn’t ask for it and I can say please if I want to. Now have a blessed day
The Writings On The Wall is top 5 best R&B albums of all time. Instant classic
Okay my biggest thing is…. They could have kept Latavia and Latoya for Say My Name. It was the main single other than bills we actually heard them on.. the environment seemed very toxic
Right! It was really petty especially since they were still in limbo. Mathew did that on purpose to throw his weight. It was too much of coincidence he did it for the single LeToya leads on...
nah it just so happened they fell apart at that point. the video shoot was already scheduled when LeToya and LaTavia terminated their management agreement with Mathew, and apparently if they didn't shoot the video with SOMEONE, there wouldn't have been one.
Letoya and Latavia put in separation of management papers, which ended in them getting fired because not only were they signed to Columbia they had a management deal with Mathew
O Agree
@@iantuition they shot the video earlier than the scheduled date to avoid settling a new agreement with Toya and Tavia it was shady
I just recall being 16 years old rushing to Virgin Megastore after school to purchase Survivor on its first day of release May 1, 2001. The title track is still one of my favorite DC singles. I also remember the album booklet was a fold out poster that featured the 3 girls w/ their hands interlocked raised up in the sky wearing the same jungle fur bikinis seen in the Survivor video. I felt very empowered listening to DC3 as a teen. Not to mention you had a BLACK female group dominating the radio and Billboard charts in an era of mostly white teen pop stars (Britney, NSYNC, Christina etc) These girls were able to sell 663,000 copies their debut week on this album... still the highest first week sales by any girl group in music history. #Legendary 👸🏾🙌🏾
Second nature off DC’s first album was such a beautiful song. One of their best deep cuts. DC3 with Michelle Williams was by far the best to me. All members of the group had their shine and could sing solo parts in a song. Even though Latavia and Letoya were good friends of Beyoncé and Kelly, they felt more like backups more than actual group members. Destiny Child’s come up and history is one for the books. From internal conflicts to media scrutiny, they managed to prevail. I thought Survivor took two weeks. I know it was a short period of time, but i did not know it was twelve days. That album did seem rush though. But the old trick in the book is that whenever there is controversy surrounding a group or the members in a group, people want to capitalize off that and catapult their albums in terms of sales and charts.
*Destiny’s.
1999 was an EPICCC year for music and talent EXPLOSION. I feel bad for the younger generation who didn't get to experience it
My birth year and I didn't even get to enjoy it... 😁
I think a lot of you are missing the point of him highlighting this album. The point is it is what shot them to worldwide fame and recognition. Yes it’s not the best album by them but it’s important because their lead singles really catapulted them. For example Baby One More Time is not a good album but it had the lead single Hit Me Baby One More Time which catapulted Britney Spears to superstardom. And their lead singles were very strong lead singles that were very popular. I agree that the Writings on the Wall was their best album but it’s not the album that caused them to go into super stardom. Sometimes that happens, the better albums aren’t always the most popular. Also this album is special in the sense that Beyonce was the main writer and producer for the whole album. She crowrote and produced writings on the wall but it was still Kandi Nad DarkChilds mainly writing.
You are 100% correct!
Ohhh I’m definitely aware I’m just stating how in retrospect survivor wasn’t great but I understood why it was the album that cemented that as a girl group legend bc the singles in particular were amazing and also the album was a good response to all the drama going on with the constant lineup change and who truly is the lead singer of the group. It’s similar to Katy Perry’s teenage dream in my opinion, like teenage dream as a whole is not a great album and far from Katy’s best but it’s understandable why it made her the pop icon it did especially concerning the singles, the videos and the perfect timing around its release (2010-2012)
@@Kevin-rg3yc Fair. Also commercially it performed better in terms of sales
This is not true at all. Writing's on the Wall outsold in the US by a lot (3.5 million copies difference), and did similar figures (although usually a bit worse) in every other major market. TWOTW is their breakout album.
@@molokwuchinonso9249 Sorry you are correct about the sales number I mixed the two up, but Survivor did have higher first week sales numbers and also did better singles wise. Independent woman as Flashy says was #1 for 11 weeks. And bootylicious coined the term and got it into the dictionary. Like I said I agree writings on the wall is the better album but the singles on Survivor have more cultural impact in pop culture and did better sale wise.
I miss destiny's child.
Wow.
every other girl group after DC can never reach DC's level. they can try but they can't. it's crazy how bey literally produced and wrote majority of the tracks in survivor (or all of them) !!!!! that determination alone, sis was WORKING WORKING PHEW !! and she managed to take out all the disses made at her into money. BEST REVENGE IS YOUR PAPER !!!!
Well, Tommy Mottola used his machinery against Mariah. Look st Beyoncé now, she cannot even outsell 3x platinum. She was a fraudulent songwriter and fake sales queen who cannot even reach Diamond with the songs she allegedly wrote.
@@voiceofreason2237 Who mentioned Mariah here? Don't get brave lol
The first album I ever bought - remember running to the store after school 😊
Honestly the last LEGENDARY girl group we’ll have to leave impact 👑 iconic group !
The singles on Survivor were just bigger. Independent Women, Survivor, Bootylicious....huge pop anthems. And Beyonce wrote basically wrote or co wrote the entire. The cd retroduced the Knowles family bred group as a realigned trio who ditched r/b for pop.
Let be Honest, Letoya and LaTavia WAS getting UNDERPAID... this is facts. if it was you, why the hell would you settle for little to no money while working so damn hard?????
I like this...finally someone got the story right ...good job on putting this story together guys...also there's a book called "becoming Beyonce " by j tiborelli that everyone should check out...you guys did good on the timeline and detailed stories...as a millennial I appreciated this
J Tiborelli book was good on the early years, but then he started fabricating stuff for the later years. The official Destiny's child biography(survivors) is goes in depths
Recorded in 12 days!? Wow
They're only group that's has "disbanded" if they drop tour dates tomorrow...the tour would be sold out....and drop an album....it would be at the top of the charts....
*coughs in Spice Girls who sold out so quick they had to add more dates to their 2019 Reunion tour*
@@gerison320 Yes and the Spice Girls too...I stand corrected. My boyfriend had to remind me of that possibility.
I would love to see a video about one direction. Either their impact on pop or their beginnings
What’s crazy is LeToya and LaTavia’s voice is all over Say My Name oh and guess who helped arranged the vocals LaTavia.
Kelly’s tone in this album and Dilemma is my favorite sound of her career.
She sings softer and more nasally, it makes a beautiful high and light candy sound. She sings so beautifully. And never did it again ☹️
‘Survivor’ was amazing and a sonic bliss!! You can say it was 2001’s ‘RENAISSANCE’.
They used a mix of harmonies, sounds, & beats.
I didn’t understand the album when I was younger, but it’s soooo amazing to see how ahead Beyoncé’s mind was even back then.
I remember being so shocked seeing Michelle and Farrah. 🤣
Best album. Still listen to it today.
My favorite girl group.
I wish latoya and Latavia weren’t kicked out also Mathew knowles should have never been a manager we all know destineys child was Beyoncé that’s the reason they named the group that
Agreed I would’ve loved of LaToya and Latavia hearing on more solos
@@Kevin-rg3yc ikr
no…matthew forced beyonce to sing more.
yall been saying the same thing for15 years move on
@Lynette Smith don’t talk to us like that because it’s true
destiny child are so amazing
Honestly, I find the Survivor album to be a mixed bag. Some songs were very good, but there were a few to be quite bland. Beyonce’s oversinging didn’t make it much better either. I will say it was refreshing to hear Kelly and Michelle have their own solos in most of the album. My personal favorites are Bootylicious and Brown Eyes.
Ikr
Same here I thought it was inferior to the writing’s on the wall
@@Kevin-rg3yc yes, definitely! the writings on the wall felt more mature content-wise. survivor felt like they were really starting over as a different type of ensemble, which was appropriate because that's exactly what they were doing.
Yo Beyonce always over did it and all that wasted time could’ve gone to the other girls.
@@ramsaycarmichael true plus that was the only time where all the girls in the original line up had control in the songwriting and producing process, kandi from real housewives of ATL talked about individually talented and creative all the girls were as songwriters i wish they extended it in the vocal arrangements with the girls singing the lead
I love this album but writings on the wall hits different
Period
Absolutely my favorite girl group
Destiny's child help me shape who i am today. My childhood had an abundance of great music
DC4 will always be my favorite lineup (btw I love Michelle)😁❤️
They are such amazing artists!! Love em!
The story of beauty is an Amazing gem on this
TLC is my favorite
Ok
Okaaay….?
Agree
This is not about them go find their video to enjoy it
I would recommend the book Raising Genius, it's an eye opener. For the time period of Girls Tyme to The Writings on the Wall.
Where and by who?
@@iantuition It's by David Lee Brewer. He was their vocal coach from 1989 to 1997. He is a very well renowned voice teacher. I got my copy from amazon
Survivor is my least favourite album, definitely a departure from R&B to Pop music. There are some gems like Fancy & Happy Face.
Snoop said 'bootylicious' way back in 1992 on Dre Day.. I always thought of that back when everyone assumed Beyonce coined the term.. anywho, this was well done.. I miss the music of the late 90s/early 2000s.. it had a unique sound
the BEST SELLING GIRL’s GROUP SINCE THE SUPREMES
Was this a biography or supposed to be an excerpt on The Survivor album.. we know the story...
1:56 ok why does letoya look more like blue ivy than Beyonce 😫😫😫😫😫
She does lol
Thankyou for making this video’
An ERA. Do Lil' Kim next!!
Best girl group of all time ? Spice girls ✌😜❤
Dang so Lativa and Beyonce met first
My favorite DC albums:
1. The Writing's on the Wall
2. Destiny's Child/Survivor (I love both equally)
3. This is the Remix
4. Destiny Fulfilled (eh this album was ok)
I LOVE the original lineup. Especially with Latavia bringing attention to the lower register. That Writing on the Wall album I used to bump everyday after coming home on the school bus...I used to sing with it on my karaoke machine like I was a member of Destiny's Child, every 👏🏾 single👏🏾 day👏🏾 lol I would love to see a tour of all of them coming back, except Farrah for obvious reasons.
Where’s 8 Days Of Christmas? Is has great songs and sick vocals :)
Y’all be hating on Farrah for no reason
"Survivor" album cover is fire tho
TO EVER EXIST EVER! 😌 TWOTW was my first cd ever. Lol. I still know it front to back 💜
I always roll my eyes to the back of my head whenever people say that the Spice Girls are the greatest girl group of all time. Destiny's Child have always be #1 when it comes to vocals and dancing.
Legendssss
🙄 Oh lord, here comes the Letoya and Latavia fans who still can’t seem to get over something that happened 20 plus years ago. Survivor was a solid album. It’s most definitely the most upbeat pop album by them. The Writings On The Wall is Destiny’s Child opus with Destiny Fulfilled coming in a close second.
Pause at 1:55. Letoya looks like Blue Ivy a lil bit.
Beyonce is a great artist
good job on this
Letoya and Latavia didn’t leave. They were KICKED out.
Beyonce should’ve stuck up for her friend that dad of her’s is an awful man smart in business tho. Still annoyed about the way he handled people comparing Chloe Bailey as the next beyonce. He was so damn rude about it
Y’all expect a lot from Beyoncé but little from the rest of the group members
You know that's why she fired him after sasha. Lets think- Beyonce was a teenager making it big on the Hollywood scene. She only trusted her dad. He says 'Whatever i do it's for your good'. She gets mature, she understands her dad was trying to sabatoge her friend's careers and fires him right after getting commercialized, cause after single ladies everyone knew who she was. I guess Beyonce made mistakes, but you have to understand her situation.
You think a teenaged girl should have "stuck up for her friend" instead of the man who raised her? Make it make sense.
if you were in beyonce's shoes, you wouldn't even think of that. at that time she's a teenager that knows nothing better, get a grip.
@@takemyhand1988 he was all but fired after he sided with the label regarding B'Day. (that ended with Jay personally dropping the master off at Columbia.) IASF was her idea.
I hope Beyoncé NEVER has a destiny child renunion. The other girls can get back together but I hope she doesn’t join them. For one, destiny child fans like to rewrite history. Secondly, as much as no one wants to admit destiny child wouldn’t have been as big if Beyoncé wasn’t lead. Thirdly, Beyoncé is doing better by herself solo. She doesn’t need destiny child fans bullying her on the internet. So no. I would never get back together not after the way the media treated her after the group broke up.
It may be controversial but for me Beyoncè did have an attitude towards the other girls...I mean there are video proving that she was a bit of a diva. Yes she was/is talented (and so are the other ladies ofthe group regardless weather you liked them or not) but lets be honest: she sang lead and riffs, she spoke for the other girls during interviews...Having you father as the manager def. put her on the top...the group did revolve around her.
No. The other girls repeatedly asked her to talk more and Beyoncé delivered.
I still have that album!
This album is Univen, low, too pop😑,i prefer the writings on the wall and Destiny fullfilled, their Best album, more fair
BROWN EYES IS ONE OF THEIR-BEST SONGS EVER!!!
Beyonce and she is a good singer
Cough Cough, There is a girl Group from the 2010s that might be on par with DC despite never fully breaking into America, which is Little Mix, as of 2021 they have sold just as many records worldwide as DC, they have more top tens and top twenty on the UK Singles chart as well as being the most streamed GG In the history of Spotify
Little Mix are in no way close to Destiny's Child at all in every aspect, especially commercially. They're a non-factor outside of the UK, and even there, there's a lot more successful music acts than them.
Really, they might not be recognized in the USA but it didn't stop them from amassing over 60 million records worldwide the same as DC right now. Not too mention having 5 number 1 singles on the UK Singles chart. If it wasn't for Beyonce (who is an icon and living legend) DC wouldn't have been as successful because she was the lead singer and the face of DC, whereas LM are all leads in the thier own way.
@@molokwuchinonso9249 “they’re a non factoid outside of the UK” well no, they are huge not just around Europe but also hugely in Asia, Australia, and South America and developed a major cult following here in the United States. The reason they weren’t able to breakout here is bc of their label and Simon cowell, Simon did everything in his power to stop LM from breaking out in particularly bc he didn’t want them to outshine fifth harmony
I'm sure most of those 60 million records are singles. not the same.
and this isn't about them!
@@Kevin-rg3yc Where is the major following in Europe when they've never had a Top 50 in Germany or France, the two biggest European markets after the UK? Where is the major following in Asia when their biggest song in Japan/China/Korea is a Charlie Puth(who is ACTUALLY huge in Asia) feature, and none of their other songs are even a quarter as successful as it? Let's not even talk about the US and Simon Cowell, because why would he deliberately limit them from breaking out there when it would make him more money? Stop the delusion.
survivor is the BEST dc album.
Fuck nah it’s WOTW
PERIODT
“It’s obvious The Writings On The Wall”
Thou Shall Not Hate
You can't "empower women" by creating division and favouritism among them then stripping them of their careers for refusing to just be props 🤷🏾♂️. Mathew Knowles comes across as a narcissistic bully enabled by his family who believed their daughter should be the centre of attention despite the group dynamic. There’s a shocking level of disrespect and abusive entitlement here. Godless.
It's telling that despite their latter successes and popularity they never critically or commercially surpassed the Writings on the Wall era with the original lineup. 4 was the score!
Yeah, it's funny how much of a hypocrite Beyoncé was. She sang about women empowerment but dismissed her members. She sang about slutshaming.and yet here she was singing with no clothes on.
Beyoncé never dismissed any members, y’all are delusional Letoya and Latavia put in separation of management papers, which ended in them getting fired because not only were they signed to Columbia they had a management deal with Mathew!
You’re delusional if u think Destiny’s Child success was defined by the presence of the other two original members.
@@redzoom7857, without them DC would've never had those songs on TWOTW. That album is their magnum opus.
@@MCharlerySmith Oh please, they were contributors, not originators of any songs, concepts nor melodies.
i miss the original girls, they all had a better element to the group in my opinion.
TH-cam Recommend, I been subscribed
I HAAAAATE this album…but I realize it was an important and definitive turning point for them.
Could you possibly do one on tlc and the album 3D
I believe the girl groups who carried the girl group legacy after Destiny’s Child are The Pussycat Dolls, maybe Little Mix (I’ve never listened their music tho) and now Blackpink.
I haven’t seen other pop icons.
DC was not "always about empowering women". Look at the song "Nasty Girls" on the Survivor album. It's putting other women down for wearing revealing clothing... Something DC often did themselves, lol.
Little mix has taken the spot for me i miss DC3 tho
Indeed
@@user-zo7hi3lu5r I'm always on ANGIE BEYINCE i.g page like we a DC reunion with all 5 members
Internationally little mix are not well known they’re more uk and is based, they can’t take the spot of DC who were globally known and massively selling, little mix is a good group, and pretty fine vocally, but sales etc naaah
Their music is just cheesy to me I’m sorry they got some few stand out tracks actually or but they needed more mature aound
Although, I do love the original, Michelle is awesome do.
Why is it always the managers that ruin the group at a point ?
Matthew -destiny child
Pebbles-TLC
P diddy- every group he had
I've seen some Kelly rowland videos why she's not as big a beyonce but I'd like to see what's your take on that.
Hi
@Giulio Gallo wazzzzzuppppppp and nice pfp
It's quite disappointing that you only mentioned Kelly and Beyonce's depression after the group's split. The effects on Latoya and Latavia were even more devastating.
Pffftt, no one cares, they sued Beyoncé and Kelly TWICE to get money, so no sympathy for them. It’s for that reason there will never be a time Beyoncé and Kelly works with them again.
@@redzoom7857 I totally disagree. They have all made up which has been made public. These women understand that they were kids when this all went down. The adults involved were more at fault namely Matthew Knowles and everybody knows that. They were kids and it was traumatizing to them all. Yes they took them to court (I don't know how old you are) but I'm old enough to remember how bad the public treated and disregarded those girls. Beyonce and Kelly were able to go on but L & L struggled and they deserved every penny because they worked for YEARS to make that group what it was and all parties involved KNOWS it.
@@millianalove They didn't deserve money off of the song Survivor, that was a money grab by thirsty individuals looking to take advantage. Secondly, I recall Beyoncé being villainized over the split by some fans and in the media. Lastly, never gonna happen, for as much as people love to hate on Beyoncé, any Destiny's Child reunion goes through her and all the times she's brought DC3 out for a cameo performance, the other girls were never invited and won't be. They won't get anymore checks off of her and Kelly. They can be cordial with the ex-members, but business is a different story.
@@redzoom7857 For that specific song: the lyrics were a violation of a previous lawsuit. That they were not to speak negatively about one another. Though I love the song survivor, it was WIDELY seen as a did to the former group members which further hurt their professional careers, and back to my initial point, their mental health. It was defamation.
DC FOREVER
9:45 peep how Aaliyah was not mentioned as the top stars of that time.
Idk how y’all think she was in “Beyoncé’s way”, in which she’d take her out ..
Insanity is an illness !
Yup kandi is that chick❤️
Kelly sang lead before survivor. F.e. in bills bills bills
Beyonce was best friend with Latavia before Kelly came into the picture.
No, no, no is not their only single from the self Titled album
Can u do a spice girls video
I feel the label forced them into a pop album.
They went from 2 pure RnB albums to straight up pop.
Not saying I didn't like the album, but it was definitely miles below TWOTW
TLC have already done all that before them
You can tell how calculated and manipulative Mathew and Beyoncé were when they smapled the "Makidada" song for the DC-3 Outro. They were not sisters at all, they just needed Michelle as the piece to prove that there wasn't a problem in the group, when they did LeToya and LaTavia wrong. Even Kelly was guilty, she's now closer to LeToya after getting depressed for what happened. You can also tell know awkward she feels when she is always asked about Destiny's Child. Even Michelle doesn't miss being in the group.
Letoya and Latavia put in separation of management papers, which ended in them getting fired. They weren’t fired for no reason or because the group woke up and felt like It. Not only were they signed to Columbia they had a management deal with Mathew which means THEY asked to be let out of their management contract. If they were such good friends why didn’t they let Beyonce and Kelly know they were trying to separate management ????
@@COSMICCFREQUENCY144 they didn’t want to be fired . Mathew (they felt like) was playing favorites they wanted a NEW manager not to discontinue the group in anyway . Mathew lied and said they’d be able to record the say my name video and perform it at the Grammys but they never did and Kelly and bey went solo while they were left in the dark until they seen the video premiere on BET
Good video.
Aaliyah didn't rock the boat for this... Or did she?
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