Yeah, I remember a documentary following a Marine Unit in Afghanistan, the commanding officer was trying to get village elders together with the Afghani general to convince them all that raping boys was not ok. Lets just say they really didn't care to change
@@jinxtheslugfromslugterra1760 there is documentary with interview on youtube, those child sell their body to bus driver, mostly living alone but i forgot whether it is pakistan or afgan
From the officer's perspective, without any prior knowledge or context, it just looks to them like a bunch of influencers are beating up a disabled guy and that's exactly how a court would spin it.
I also think this predator hunting channels that are based around beating the predator are run by ppl who are mad against everything, so they do this """noble""" act to have a chance to let out the rage they have inside for sum reason in the form of physically assaulting others. This people should be investigated just like the predators
Chris Hansen, rarely got anyone convicted, none of the stig operation that work with cameras not the police ends up giving the predator a criminal pass
@@Mattchupichue The TCAP success rate was about 1/3 (120 convictions with 300+ arrests). The first and last stings were the only two that didn't lead convictions.
“If you can’t write Chris Hansen comforting a child, you haven’t written Chris Hansen. You’ve written Skeeter Jean with a Chris Hansen Costume.” I think that’s how the quote goes.
There were a couple of British lads who ran an organisation called Dark Justice wherein they posed as minors online, they would chat with adults and upon the adults asking to they'd turn up in bulletproof vests. They worked extensively with the police and got something like 150 convictions and 50-odd jail sentences. Their work resulted in a few cases going to the high court, the UK's Highest court, resulting in a ruling that attempting to meet a fake minor is legally no different from a real child. Proper inspiring stuff. I remember they did a long interview on national radio, LBC, which is an hour long. And you can find that on youtube, importantly none of their stings were put out on TH-cam.
while thats really cool, i think youtube and video evidence is a good thing, AS LONG as they follow a proper procedure. Revenue as a nonprofit so they can turn over the actual devices as evidence, access to better programs to fake "young" photos etc. And ive watched Colorda Ped Patrol (CPP) and getting these guys to admit and try to weasel there way out of a cop confrontation could be used as a statement to contradict any official statement. The more views also raises awareness for how prevalent this issue is.
That is absolutely how it should be done, through and through the RIGHT way. Probably my favourite part of that story is that they weren't posting on social media. All of these flops doing this shite lately are just clout chasers who don't really care about what they are trying (and utterly failing) to do. They just want to feel special and get attention and its fucking cringe.
@@AmishDoinks for most yes, but there is a small number of folks who do this and it takes as much time as a job does, but youre doing for free. I can see how that gets really rough when you are making true sacrifices for the community but cant pay your bills due to the money not being anything. It probably isnt easy to talk to these needy ass preds all day for free but that does not mean you commercialize it all and make mistakes to let these creeps go legally.
Throwing a flash bang is actually VERY serious. It’s not like a videogame in which it is a temporary stun. There are recorded cases of people actually DYING and suffering from permanent blindness. It is a very lethal weapon and you should NOT use something like that unless you have the absolute authority to do so.
I missed that part. But guess what. It’s impossible. A flashbang is a National Firearms Act regulated device by the ATF. An people just don’t have them. An the people that do. Aren’t going to risk themselves tossing any flashbang at a pred or anyone else. Each one has its own serial number and each serial number is registered to the ATF. An to even be approved you have to send in multiple copies of your passport photo. 2 copies to the ATF a two copies to your local sheriff and copies of your finger prints. All of your finger prints each finger. included prints of 4 of them like entire finger aside from finger print tips only. Plus pay $200 to the ATF as a tax. Than wait up to a year to maybe or maybe not even be approved. An your sheriff has to sign off on it also. So in order to get one. It’s a a mess of a process to go through. An that’s if your lucky enough to even have crossed a legal avenue to buy one. Otherwise you have to be some form or a SOT where your registered all kinds of ways with the ATF and allowed to build such devices a grenades ect. Least that’s the hoops I had to do for suppressors ect for my guns. An some of my short barrel rifles. I did some as an individual a the others I got an attorney to write me up a Trust a their under the trust name. So if anyone actually mentioned or did that. You can rest assured. What they had as a “flashbang” was nothing more than a toy a couple companies sell as a popper that may make a tiny flash or a pop. For people to throw at each other during airsoft games. An them aren’t going to hurt anyone anykinda way. So there’s no pred catcher throwing anything close to any real flashbang at anyone. You can take that to the bank. Ain’t happening nor ever going to happen. Can’t believe everything ya hear or see. But them airsoft companies do call it that. But fact of the matter. Well it isn’t an it’s far from. A many times they don’t even go off. Their junk
Stuff like this scares me because there's nothing stopping someone from randomly assaulting someone on camera and fabricating a screenshot and destroying someone's reputation
@@zeuszo_o1593 All it takes is one case. There are women that are crazy enough to injure themselves just to blame it on a man they hate. And if you aren't a wounds expert you may not be able to tell what self inflicted wounds look like.
@@zeuszo_o1593 Uncommon things become common awfully quickly, if you spent more than 10 minutes on the internet or spent time in the real world, you'd know that.
Regardless of what type of crime it is (murder, rape, abuse, theft, etc.) there is always someone devious and shitty enough to make a false accusation of it with the primary goal of ruining the life of someone they hate. It's pretty rational to be worried when a trend arises that can facilitate these false accusations despite how rare they may be.
This is why channels like CC Unit and People V Pred always say, "I'm recording so that you can't tell the police that I hurt you, and so that I can't tell them you hurt me". They were aware of how assaulting a predator would hold up in court and they never did it. Those predator catchers who wail on predators are clueless on how that works.
the problem is even if your recording ...if you cause a altercation the recording means nothing, it can be useful yes but circumstance and situation apply in all cases. now using a recording to prevent either side from lying if not altercation occurs is a good thing and can be extremely useful and helpful.
The thing that really annoys me about Predator Hunting channels is that when you criticize them their audience will call you a predator defender, Which is ironic considering the people they're defending are literally helping predators avoid any kind of justice. Which is what Max's audience did to Tommy C and we all know what happened to Max in the end.
The ppl in this video literally give the evidence to private detectives who then build a case to give to police. You’re talking about stuff you don’t know about, like you know about it.
@@RL_ManicFX Uh, no they do not. Which is why they are still walking the streets. In fact one of the guys in that video you're talking about was spotted in a 7/11 not too long ago😂
@@indrainspace2601 hey pal, you know its not gonna be 100% right? Also, you know you’ve just proven me right in your own comment. That guy was seen, noticed and labeled as a pred because of said video. It’s about exposing them. You have to be a child.
@@RL_ManicFX dude you’re proving him right with your absolute ignorance of law and order in the United States. Being declared a pdf file socially is VERY different than being declared a pdf file by the government and charged as one…. How do people LITERALLY not understand this. I will not entertain any response from you because you are willfully ignoring the differences. Have a great one and don’t get in too much trouble with that attitude!
Often times law enforcement doesn’t do much so they resort to “street justice”. With the group responsible for most of the catches that go viral, they’ve been doing this since I was in Ms/hs and initially, police presence was the route they took, however TH-cam would keep removing their channels and the cops wouldn’t do much because “no crime has actually been committed”, “entrapment” etc. I personally don’t see an issue w it. The damage they would’ve done to a real child is what I’m worried about. A lot of the guys who do successfully get arrested end up coming out and getting caught by them again so what can we say.
I've seen these videos months ago, He assaulted an alleged predator, without providing any physical evidence to us the people. All it was, was "trust me dude" while I watch man get beaten like a pulp.
@@RyanPhilip-w6dmaybe because y’all don’t watch their real vids because you have to pay for it ? You haven’t watched one full vid just the clips where they get beat up 😂
Power corrupts all. Imagine never growing passed the mind set of an 18 year old because 13-18 yo is 80% of ur audience, and it makes u millions with 0 qualifications.
@@bjornzek There's innocent people that was caught in the crossfire and being accused of being a PDF File. Look it up. They were put up on a blast and didn't even get an apology after they realized they messed up.
@Bestow3000 lol you think i don’t know that? I’m saying there are people out there who dont deserve due process, not everyone does. If you have a hard time comprehending that statement maybe go back to elementary school
Just remember that Predator Poachers waited for full monetization of their EDP445 video before uploading it in case you're wondering what their priorities were. Is it good that EDP got outed for what he was doing? Yes, but the way PP did it made it so that he couldn't properly be prosecuted.
They've improved A LOT since then gaining many convictions. Alex is probably the best at getting these guys to admit their crimes on camera. I've witnessed very many arrests. That EDP video was years ago and the catch was flawed. They've changed how they operate.
My hesitation as a survivor: people who make content out of this are reminiscent of the adults I grew up with who beat their chest and loudly proclaimed protecting children but always seemed willfully ignorant (at best) to complicit in this kind of thing happening within their circle. There is no simple short term gratifying hero moment in that. This kind of vigilantism is about manufacturing what feels like a quickly solved dilemma. It’s feeding a sense of unearned accomplishment in a way that hinders the actual process. Are they as bad as predators themselves? No. But they’re just as bad as the people who call victims liars and try to cover it up. Because they’re serving themselves and their interests over kids no matter how they try to justify it.
Poorly organized and unregulated groups like this are the best kinds of magnets for abusive people. Just like the feckless online social justice circles are always rife with the kinds of people they claim to denounce. That’s the problem when your motivation is feeling good more than it is doing good.
@@_KOOIL_ Yeah its grey, I think even if “terrible” things happened to these people when meeting up it would be a net positive for the world, but then where do you start and stop? You can’t be judge jury and executioner, it just doesn’t work.
@@_KOOIL_it doesn’t though. People know this can happen and it still happens. Some countries will cut off fingers if you steal something, and people still get caught stealing regardless. It does absolutely nothing but make predators take different measures to not let this happen.
I was abused. And I can tell you the vigilante style of these groups upset me. It isn't because the idea of taking these scumbags off guard is somehow bad. It just comes off as ego and personal desire for violence being the true motivating factor. Like, cruel people who would abuse anyone can justify it because the person happens to be bad. And you are right about the conviction aspect. With regards to the law, this is an example where the law has any motive for being corrupt. They can literally only look like heroes. So let the justice system do what it's designed to do
The conviction aspect is what pisses me off the most and I also am someone that was abused. Just lets these scumbags off the hook most times since it wasn't handled properly. All just so these bad actors can go on power trips acting out violent fantasies for clout and have it be justified because its a bad person like you said.
You're probably right. Hard to say if they're indiscriminately violent or not, though. Abuse can very quickly inspire homicidal tendencies in me, personally. I spent a great deal of time learning to control my reactions, but the monster's still there. That doesn't make me a better person. But that's life. And frankly, I don't think it makes them heroes either. Because let's be real: predators don't morph into puppies. If they didn't think law enforcement could, or would, deal with these creeps (and they really did want to take out the trash) the last thing they'd want is a camera filming what would need to be done. Just saying.. Best just leave it to the professionals, and hold those professionals accountable when justice isn't done.
@@MaryDunfordwell, if you look at some of the people, such as Vitaly who is known to have a violent past, it seems like these people are violent people and want an out, where they can be as violent as they want without too much uproar. These people are terrible too
Honestly I think that these sting operations should not assault the alleged predator and should always have law enforcement present and they should just let the law do its justice
I hear ya, but having a community-driven approach to governing said community is not a bad idea. I'm not condoning what these youtubers do, I'm just saying that law enforcement is not effective enough to significantly protect children from predators.
It's crucial to ensure that any predator hunting is carried out in a legally sound and responsible manner, so as to not jeopardize any possible convictions.
While their intentions might be good, not following legal procedures or letting emotions govern their actions harm the integrity of the case and might allow the alleged criminal to go free, defeating the purpose.
Their intentions are absolutely not good, it's vile. They don't do this for justice, they do this just to beat up and assault people(who obviously happens to be an alleged PDF).
thankfully someone is talking about this. it’s such a mockery of real predators when i see famous people - lil pump, ty dolla sign - assaulting predators *catchers* which is basically a slap on the wrist for these guys. these predators will reoffend, only this time much smarter and much aware.
and if this new fad follows the trend the Perverted Justice set, the demand for content will outstrip supply, they'll start entrapping and faking this stuff for views.
They're all doing it for views, they don't actually care about saving kids. That's why they're playing vigilantes and getting predators off the hook from the actual law.
Been saying it for months, these people don't care about children. They just want the money and numbers, capitalizing off of the hysteria to fill their own pockets while desensitizing the masses.
The real issue is that there's nothing to stop these vigilantes from attacking random people and then declaring "It's okay he was a predator" with no evidence.
These vigilante actions although seemingly noble, often do more harm than good. These matters should be left to law enforcement authorities who are equipped to handle them correctly. Let’s strive for justice, but not at the expense of due process.
Pretty much if they really cared about the kids they would have went law enforcement with their finding. A good lawyer could have the case thrown out. Especially since the guy is on spectrum they could say he didn’t know any better. And was lured there. Not saying I side the guy but get the evidence and present it to the police.
At what point do they seem noble? It is abundantly clear that these creators could care less about real victims, or reducing the crime, they just like to get views. If they were truly trying to raise awareness or stop criminals they’d approach things much more professionally, work alongside law enforcement, and avoid clickbait sensationalism.
I absolutely hate these kinds of channels because they don't actually care about the safety of children. They see it how popular of a topic it is online and assume it's as easy as becoming a decoy, meeting up with them, and recording their embarrassment and disgusting nature for the whole world to see. Only for them to realize they've destroyed the potential case they set up by not showing restraint and not involving the police.I know law enforcement can be unreliable and SUPER frustrating, but there is a reason we have procedures for monsters like this.
@@respectfully4726 Yea, but it unironically doesn't work. They make it harder to convict a pedo. Let the cops and prisoners handle the physical punishment. A pedo catcher need to just expose the guy or shine the light, and do it correctly. A lot of these guys aren't properly tracked now, there's nothing to really make sure they don't do it again since they weren't convicted of a crime, so they can just change their name grow a beard or get a hair cut, and boom they're basically no going to be properly caught and punished. EDP is someone that's free right now, because the sting operation wasn't done properly. Just saying we aren't Batman, any lawyer can use the fact that the pedo could've been forced to admit to the crime, or at first were hesitant but then the pedo catchers kept egging them on to commit the crime. There's a reason why Chris Hansen worked with police
My issue with the "catching a predator" genre, particularly the groups you mentioned, is that he goal isn't actually protecting children. That's not why people watch those channels. Those channels are about violence, about attacking people. The only reason p*dos are involved are because they are seen as acceptable targets. These people would just as quickly be acting this way against anyone else, so long as they wouldn't see backlash from doing so. Personally, I consider the same sort of scum as what they are claiming to fight. The type willing to hurt anyone for personal gain.
Being confidently wrong is never a good look. The group that puts out most of these vids slapping predators actually has a member that was molested as a child. They've put up a video where he confronts his own abuser. This comment just tells me you're doing the same thing, you probably judge anyone when given the opportunity.
@@user88591 Where is the proof most have? I can say hulk gaped my asshole while I was asleep, does it make it true? No. There has always been trends that come, that assault people just to assault people, like that one where people snuck up behind old people and knocked them out for no reason, randomly jumping people for no reason, throwing stuff at peoples faces etc. It is people who want to commit violence, without wanting to worry about being shunned by society.
@@user88591huh, how is this even a logical thought process? It seems to me that out of anger for this man defending people your not a fan of.....you claim that because a thing happened to someone, it makes random violence ok, you then appear to accuse this person of similar crimes? My guy , deep breaths and try again yeah?
The worst of these was guys going after a 17 year old who they catfished with a 14 year old, so these are grown men targeting a kid and labeling him a predator while they're the literal predators attacking and lying about a minor over nothing, luckily the kid managed to beatdown the never washed in failed rapper turned wannabe batman predator (they actually compared themselves to batman). Them going after a 17 year old over this shows not only they don't care but they don't even know what a real predator is (it's them).
As an SA survivor this is so infuriating. I tried to get justice, got a confession, a judge said "there is no doubt that a crime was committed here"- well the defense came back after the pretrial and got ot successfully dismissed. These cases with proof are so easy to get thrown out for the smallest thing (i said i was masochistic in a text message once so it was apparently okay to grape me). These cases need to treated with the utmost care and caution. These vigilantes need to stop. Youre not helping, you are hurting so so much and allowing these monsters ther perfect out. It only takes one wrong word to aquit them.
Idk man. Saying you like certain things using words that are synonymous with grape makes it hard to take your side. If it's just **x talk, disclose that. People don't mean what they say anyway but the law doesn't see it that way. And it won't change. Just don't say those things
I bet what happened is you and your significant other were getting a little rough. He got too rough or did something you didn't like and you went scorched earth policy on him even though 6 hours earlier you were convincing him to roleplay as Christian gray.
It’s almost like it’s obstruction of justice when vigilantes do this stuff for their own personal gain for whatever personal reasons. It just ruins any chance of people getting actually convicted.
@@bspitler0 That's just a defeatist loser take lol. If good evidence is collected and proper channels are used then an arrest is likely and the police will do their job. Bad examples do happen, but the system we have is what we gotta work with, and just because some bad examples happen doesn't erase the majority of good ones
@@illfittinghelmet4072Thats just not true. Its the other way round, there's a few groups out there that do good work but the majority of them are hated by the police and are seen as a nuisance who stop genuine predators from seeing justice cause they have no idea what they are doing or know how to collect usable evidence in a legal way. Hardly any of these stings result in convictions.
@@bspitler0 So why not try to change the laws then? Because as mentioned in the video, some of these people get charges on themselves for how they conduct these stings, and you can't protect the kids if you yourself are behind bars or escalating violent situations.
@@illfittinghelmet4072 Yeah I've witnessed first hand the REPEATED failure of our legal system to arrest and KEEP PDF's in jail. For a century now non profit organizations have had to step up to help the government gather evidence, even fucking biker gangs have dedicated chapters who volunteer time to show up and guard a kids house when law enforcement doesnt have ENOUGH proof a kid is in danger. If you've resigned yourself to the low standards of modern American law, YOU'RE the loser with a defeatest view. This is not what our forefathers wanted for us. To struggle to even ARREST, not execute, just ARREST PDFs.
Chris Hanson has talked about this several times. If this is not done in conjunction with laws enforcement, there are so many loopholes in the law for criminals to get off. The reason these people don’t work in conjunction with law enforcement is because they would be prohibited from making content. These police departments would want to take over the “investigation” completely leaving the creator with nothing to present. Vigilante justice helps nobody.
I got flamed for replying to a video where they kicked a supposed predator in the face and knocked him out, where I said that videos like these encourage people to go beat up or even kill people who THEY THINK are pedos, that innocent people will get hurt. It's also just stupid dangerous to go after someone you think is a criminal. We can't have kids see this content and think they can go 1v1 some child rapist. Also, innocent until proven guilty exists. A content creator does not have the power to prove someone guilty; that is the job of the law.
That video revealed a lot about people. The reasoning they'd come up with to justify ENDING lives is disgusting. That's the worst thing any human can do to the other, and we get people justifying it. They lose all moral authority the moment they endorse it
@@tracyswrld6331 Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. If the courts have not ruled them innocent or guilty yet, then they are innocent. Yes people will use fake stuff and trick people into stuff to give them an excuse to hurt someone, it won't be everyone but some people will do it none the less, especially with people they dislike. Mob justice is terrible and leads to downfalls of nations.
Yeah, few years back two young men got life in prison for beating a guy to death they wrongly thought was a pdf. They also tried to blackmail him, they had zero interest in justice. Since they didn't actually had anything on this random old man, he refused and they beat him to death.
@@tracyswrld6331 No, you're the only one thinking that. I'm just saying that a vigilante is not the court system. What if you got attacked by these people who had no real evidence? Because there was none? You'd be okay with some dude filming himself assaulting you while calling you a pedo? What if he punches you and you fall onto the pavement and DIE?
Just because people like this do find real pedos, that doesn't mean that EVERY person they think is a pedo is guilty. This becomes a problem when they KICK THEM IN THE FACE which could LEAD TO THEIR DEATH. These dudes CANNOT confirm every "pedo" they come across. I couldn't care less about what happens to a pedophile, but I do care about what happens to someone who is MISTAKEN as a pedo.
@angreydoggo4357 what's a bandwagon? The fact boogie admitted to faking cancer to get donations? Or the fact that muta is correctly pointing out that these vigilante wannabe punisher larpers are actively making it harder for pedophiles to be convicted.
I don't know why one of your videos was in my feed but i'm glad it was. I typically use TH-cam as an aloof source for news from things i'm generally interested in. After 2 videos i gave an instant sub. Keep up the good work. And yes, please keep having a very diverse range of topics.
The one channel I've seen that does a good job at this is Skeeter Jean They *record* and ONLY RECORD the predators while talking to them. They then give this footage to police along with all their evidence. The most "physical" I've seen them get is chasing the predator when they run away. But they just keep asking them things as they're running.
Alex Rosen and CPP got way better over the years, and these are the only two channels I'm watching occasionally. They are not flawless, yet they don't conduct vigilante or mob rule behaviour, which does neither help the victims nor the justice system.
@si3916 it was gonna be a vid series called skeeter cheaters about catching cheaters and confronting them. Lots of tiktoks also about how some other catches may be faked
This guy I went to high school with died doing this. He attempted to confront a predator in a Walmart but he didn’t account that the predator had a firearm.
Play dumb games win dumb prizes. Darwin still finds a way here in this over safe zone sometimes. How about be smart about your actions and you may actually even help kids you claim to be helping instead of helping the PDF file get off due to your stupidity.
I’ve seen Predator channels where they are working with police and they get convictions. I think it comes down to working with law enforcement and not going Rogue. That’s when you see these guys get away.
most people that dont care or encourage the vigilantes acknowledge the light sentencing and statistic of re-offense of sex crimes historically i wish muta said a damn thing about that and made that acknowledgement of why the public sentiment is the way it is
Like who? Even TCAP didn’t have much success getting convictions. They get a slap on the wrist, and some of them have even got caught multiple times after
@@saintgtx alex rosen of predator poachers has been getting tons of convictions because hes getting these guys to admit to having child porn on their phone on camera. thats been a very very successful tool for him for the last few years. honestly ever since the EDP stuff hes made changes and has been doing incredible work.
Thank you for actually addressing this. seems like people are afraid to speak on this because it would make them seem like they’re defending the predators. there’s just a way to handle this. People could get hurt trying to do these sting operations without getting police involved.
@@epicswirl Opposite actually. They make it harder to prosecute, get in the way of Justice being served and make false accusations based on their feelings. And facts don't care about their feelings. Keep studying.
@@serayog137 Not all the time. Some channels actually get them locked up and work with police. People doing it improperly don’t help the situation. If the ones that do a proper exposé and work with police didn’t exist, then these predators would never be caught. Local police and law enforcement don’t do enough.
@@epicswirl But none of them do. They don't even actually care. These are people looking for their 15 mins of fame because they assaulted someone and ruined their life, becoming another victim of the predator because they let their emotions control them. Keep studying. These people aren't Chris Hansen.
Africa's not so different from the rest of the world, then. But mob justice is, at best, like slapping duct tape over a hole in your roof and calling it fixed.
"What nation you're from-" My only take from this is we gotta remember that there's nations where age of consent can be as low as 11 years old and some have forced/arranged marriages.
Arranged marriages ain't the same as forced marriages. And there's no country with the age of consent of 11. Even in countries like Argentina where it's 13 doesn't mean that people there do shit over there to 13 year olds. And Mutahar's point was that child abuse is seen as wrong by everyone which is true. It's not a brave take.
I assume you're reffering to Japan? Japan has a Fairly complicated age of consent law, actually, but in effect, the lower ages are only For those of the Same age range.
the biggest misconception about internet vigilantes is thinking it's about putting people behind bars. it's not. most of the time it's about punishing or tormenting perpetrators till either said perpetrator kills themself or someone kills them.
@@xsoultillerx and they get the preds name out there which would ruin their life anyways. People saying these vigilantes are bad, have some major issues
I get your point, but to paraphrase a saying, a cornered animal will lash out if it thinks that's all it can do. What's to stop them from coming armed with a weapon, or just killing someone before they take themselves out? A person confronting a police officer (who has multiple ways to diffuse the situation and is trained) is likely going to surrender, while if they encounter some vigilante they might just go straight to the most extreme option.
I've been saying this Exact thing!! It always compromises the case if it's used for attention rather than taking the proper steps to ENSURE they get locked up.. It's gross to see it being used as a trend..
two wrongs doesn’t make a right :(. there should be channels concerned with how to detect warning signs of CSA / best ways to handle it… that would do more to help than this…
Anyone claiming to be a "vigilante" and they're not directly working (contracted) with official law enforcement then they are a criminals with a tendency towards violence and an obvious disregard for law and order and should be treated as such and held accountable, period.
Not having cops involved is bad enough, its even worse if they end up catching a passerby thats not even involved. This is why I dont support citizen sting operations because theres so much that can go wrong and will go wrong. If you have evidence you should provide it to the cops. Not saying that is the case in this video but false accusations are also life ending societally.
Or even worse.. they tell bystander it’s a pedo and the bystander helps them catch and then beats the person up and the bystander is changed for assualt and false imprisonment.
@@omegakeg7333 can you tell me what a child predator looks like? Cuz they can be the average Joe on your street and you wouldn't know. These people need to be arrested and locked away from society for life. That won't happen if people keep baiting behind the back of the police. Wrongful arrests do happen. I'd like to make sure the right people are behind bars, not the innocent.
@@npcimknot958 that would actually be effed up if that happened and the other person was innocent too. If I found out I just beat a dude who did nothing wrong, on whim of someone else who I also don't know, I'd start questioning my life decisions.
Yeah plus the dms doesn’t hold any water in law and will not get him to convicted for it edp445 would’ve been in prison right now if it works they just getting themselves in trouble for no reason
As a person who... well say for better terms was groomed as a child; It really fucking hurts to seeing people walking free from abusing children. It will effect the children for the rest of their lives; they will not see justice or know peace if the predators walk free, and could possibly hurt people again.
Glad Muta is talking about this. I've seen a trend of people performing felonies and throwing out easily winnable cases for things that should definitely be taken to court.
Fun fact: The TH-cam channel Trilogy Media who are known for there scam baiting videos, did a few catching predator videos, which were very poorly done due to there unprofessionalism, that the co-founder of Trilogy Media (Ashton Bingham) not only replied to comments with insulting remarks, but he made an TH-cam series on his streaming service insulting anyone who made any videos/comments about him or his channel, weathered it was hate comments or hate videos and constructive criticism. I know this because there toxic fanbase harassed me non stop for years.
I made a video on this topic a few years ago and pissed off a predator channels audience so much they took down my second video on their channel specifically. They even invited me onto their podcast but I never heard back from them. Glad that people are finally starting to catch on to the dangers of this type of stuff.
Yeah these channels are twisted. It can be fascinating to watch from a voyeuristic perspective but I've seen them make pitos do push-ups and stuff. As a deal so they don't call the cops. They're willing to let these people free if it somehow benefits their content. Let alone all the cases they're ruining
Not to mention they're sus in general, like they're trying to take the light off themselves "Hey guys look he stole all this money!" While stealing other stuff while everyone is looking elsewhere.
Dad's against predators has a long history of not trying to sensationalize, click bait, or over monetize videos, and Jay is a veteran, they're good guys
Well. They didn’t show any evidence against the guy they caught. But their own video shows plenty of evidence of assault and battery and destruction of property. If any cops did what these guys did, they would be fired, charged, their city would get sued, and any charges against the perpetrator would have to be dropped.
I said that on a video and was told I was ‘supporting PDF files’. Like.. you’re literally teaching them to be more cautious in the future so they don’t get caught next time.
@@hannibalspectre637 It's actually pretty damn wild. Modern society as it is has fallen thanks to those types of people, including child groomers, pedophiles, grifters, corrupt law enforcement, you name it.
Right it’s a few I come across that are very professional with how they catch these guys and will normally have law enforcement involved with all the information needed for them but the most important thing they don’t put their hands on the predator
After the battery if this makes it to court, “my client was just saying what he thought they wanted him to say to stop them beating him”. Anything he said there isn’t usable if obtained while or around when you’re beating him… basically ruining what could have been a confession if they had just talked to him without beating him.
Also, confessions without being under the penalty of perjury and without the presence of a lawyer can just easily be swept away as joking or saying shit. How much crap don't we all say every day that could be construed as confessions? I can't imagine a world where saying to one's friend "I want to punch [insert chosen politician or famous person] in the nose" would lead to incarceration for making an illegal threat. How many of us would really punch that person in the nose if given the chance. Not many. It's just something people say.
@@oliver_twistor yeah that’s not how that works. You don’t need to be sworn in or in the presence of a lawyer to confess to things. Your example is something you’d actually be arrested for if you had intent like a possible plan or said it to the person/their staff or were making threats to the point someone reported it. Which people get arrested for all the time? It’s called terroristic threats depending on how you’re communicating them.
Glad you spoke on this. Because whenever someone says they dont like these entertainment pred catcher channels for this exact reason, ppl immediately start the whole "youre defending PDFs" bs. The entertainment is not worth ruining the chance at real justice.
In a way, they’re nitpicking what they see on social media rather than stepping up and doing something better themselves. It’s easy to criticize from the sidelines, but at least these channels are doing something-which is more than can be said for those who just complain about everything, acting like nothing is ever good enough for their viewing pleasure.
This is sophistry. Two crimes are two crimes, a second related crime doesnt make the first crime go away. I cant speak for the UK, but in the states if you assault someone who assualted a third person, there are two people going to jail.
That's not how things are going to play down in a court though. Even if they don't get away with it, it still gives them a stronger case. When private citizens take the law into their own hands, especially through violent or illegal means, it can undermine the integrity of the legal process. This might lead to the perception that the case against the accused is less reliable.
"Harming kids is bad" damn hot take. Okay but real talk. As much as there are valid criticisms of police, they are required in circumstances like this.
People in these comments need to learn logic or go to therapy or be put in jail themselves to learn how to control emotions. Go learn from batman before you start calling people pdf defenders thinking your some hero. It's insane the amount of people who want physical violence and only bash mental violence if it even is mental violence considering everyone reacts differently to one situation. Thank you for once someone made a video on these crazy people who are a physical danger to society because of uncontrolled emotions.
they've evolved, they're no longer UTTP, the names are fairly random now. complete scum. not sure how youtube cant automatically ban these bots posting the same comment on hundereds of reply sections immediately. feels like it wouldn't be that hard
It is strange how TH-cam is now letting them have a platform just like them bringing back EDP & keeping Kris Tyson & Dr Disrespect. Yet they would ban anyone else. The same thing applies with TikTok, Instagram, Reddit, & Twitter (now X).
@@jurb417 And then there's multiple accounts with the same name pasting the same comment. It sounds to me like they take this vids topic personally, as Muta's videos no longer had any weird bot comments recently until this one.
To anyone that hasnt seen the censored video, DAP didnt just give him a little slap. Bro slammed the alleged predator so hard into a beam holding up a porch overhang that the entire thing completely bent and collapsed over him.
I think predator catching channels (mostly, not all) attract weirdos who like watching videos of people catching or attacking other weirdos. That's my hot take.
Yeah, that's my thought. Like as a survivor, I'm not getting kicks seeing those videos. If anything, I have no stomach AT ALL for real violence. I don't think the content helps anyone actually affected by preds...
@@weasel7491 first, I'm very sorry this happened to you, second yeah, I just feel uncomfortable watching predator catching videos. I just don't understand the appeal. Predators should be punished, not given a pass from things like this.
Shouldn’t even be a hot take because you’re correct. I also find that some of these ‘hunters’ get a kick out of pretending to be kids when they message these weirdos to trap them. It’s really disturbing.
Ive been saying this! These people couldn't care less about a childs safty they just want an easy target to attack with no consequences and be praised for it
They not doing this to help people, they doing this to try to get video content for youtube,twitch,ect to make money off it which is why they not contacting police first because would not be able to profit from it then since video footage be taken by police and would have to go to court before they could get it back since could effect the court case.
1: the predators hunting channel get the clout and money. 2:the viewer sick fantasy or schadenfreude is justified because the target is a creep. 3: the police doesn't need to do anything because the evidentiary rules is not met = less hassle work. 4 the creep is beaten but get away without any consenquences, finding another children. what a win-win situation for everyone except for the children here but who cares??
People seem to forget about the registry; like they absolutely get scott free after release from jail/prison I'm in favor of longer prison sentences and no parole for cases involving minors; but remember they have to register and notify communities...
Muta: "Law enforcement agencies don't like vigilante justice because it gives predators - bad people - an out legally for whatever crime they could allegedly have done." Millersville, TN police department: "Let's use civilians to lure child predators into a sting. Yeah, we know it's against the law, but we'll just lie and say it was cops on the stand." (that's paraphrased, but they are on audio recording admitting it. Yes, they did commit perjury too.)
Here's the thing: They're not slapping these guys around, then taking them to jail, they're just slapping them around. They're gambling on the fact that these guys are so guilty, that they're not going to press charges for assault, because the discovery period will expose their behavior and put it on record. These predator hunters have given up on the legal system, and have jumped straight to the court of public opinion. The real question is, in the future, if a regular citizen catches them being predators and presses charges, will these videos get THAT case thrown out? Or will it get used as corroborating evidence? Or neither?
i think these vigilantes that assault should be looked into and prosecuted, not just threatened. they should be prosecuted to the harshest extent and made a huge example for the rest of them to see because its clear they do not care about following rules. they are just thugs looking for their money and fame, even if it means causing some cases of potential predators to be thrown out.
I don't think most of the people who do this have their heart in the right place. I just think they want to physically hurt some people and they use this as an outlet.
Unironically Jidion, who has been an absolute savage and a very controversial figure in the past, is one of the predator “hunter” that actually inform and work with the police in their operations.
Him, Skeeter, and PP south east Texas are the best. I think PP is amazing, he just gets them to confess EVERYTHING with no violence. It's great for the police.
@@MrDrManPersonSkeeter is my favorite personally. Dude is professional, chill, always gets law enforcement the info they need, and is hilariously deadpan
That's what I been saying. I thought predator catchers wasn't supposed to put their hands on those. Unless if they have to defend themselves or whatever. The fact that almost everybody is doing predator catching now just makes me think. Do they actually care about the victims or are they're just doing it for views and clout?
*Finally someone talking about the power hungry bounty hunter wannabe's that tell you they do it to help keep the community safe but then conduct themselves as if they're taking deep pleasure in power tripping*
it breaks my heart to see this video because my emotions want to root for these predator poaching channels. i also understand your point of view, and ultimately you are correct. getting justice requires a long and lengthy process of gathering data and it's really unfortunate that these people get to walk free for that long of a period. it's even worse when they get to walk free forever due to the mishandling of evidence.
Vigilantes in general are a nuisance and do nothing but make it harder to prosecute these predators. There are laws for a reason otherwise you'll get people playing hero at the expense of potentially giving these predators ammo to use in court.
its crazy how people dont see whats wrong with these channels because of their moral obligations being instead of being logical. Quit letting your emotions run you.
@@anonymous5401 i think there is a misunderstanding with my initial comment. mutahar is correct. what these clout chasing channels do is wrong. it allows the alleged predator to walk free forever due to the mishandling of evidence.
@@deredere-sama5995naw, they’re good for the community. That’s how a community is built. These guys are real men going out in their communities trying to stop bad people. What do you do for your community?…. Do you understand that for every person they do trick, that’s one less child that is violently assaulted. Doesn’t matter if police do something AFTER a child has been brutally assaulted in a vile way. The way y’all just underestimate the severity of that kind of assault is just crazy. If police actually did something, do you think these guys would be doing that? The guy I’m the video who does it, does it because his OWN was assaulted and got NO justice. Stop it man.
@@RandomNoob1124 but then these predators also get away Scott free, these streamers aren’t huge. They are small streamers, most predators that show up there will be forgotten about, and it is these guys fault
I totally understand what you’re saying, and I would agree with you IF the judicial system worked as intended. Instead we have a system of plea deals and just generally soft convictions in a lot of areas where criminals are CONVICTED and then let to walk free with little to no real repercussions. DAP from what I can tell originally didn’t start assaulting the predators they caught until recently specifically because of this issue. They even often say in their videos that they do this specifically because they know at most the penalty they will get for beating a predator to a pulp is maybe a $300 fine if they ever get convicted/charged. These people are the result of a flawed legal system and the predators are the result of a flawed society that does not allow them to seek treatment for the mental health issues that make them attracted to minors.
They not doing this to help people, they doing this to try to get video content for youtube,twitch,ect to make money off it which is why they not contacting police first because would not be able to profit from it then since video footage be taken by police and would have to go to court before they could get it back since could effect the court case.
The only thing that works worse than our legal system is nothing nobodies with no authority doing nothing to help at all. Which is what this is. Actually it helps the person as know they know what to look for when doing their evil deeds and will be better at it rather than going away for decades or life. You aren't smart
@@GrievousReborn there are channels that exist that do it the right way. i prefer not letting clout chasers govern actual good deeds becoming taboo. remove the bad apples and let the good ones continue doing good.
Does he though? The few videos i've seen he's just showed up at someones house, filmed his content mocking them for a while then handed a folder over to some random police person at the end. I'm sure this isn't the same in every video but it feels like he's bodging the investigation for some quick content without ensuring they'll face consequences
It feels like these predator catching channels just want to be able to bully people without being criticized for it. I don’t think the predators are worthy of sympathy, but I don’t think these predator catchers actually care about protecting kids, they just care about getting the recognition for shaming and being tough with a predator.
I saw this video and ngl, kinda made me upset and disgusted. Like that dude definitely deserves to be punished, but not by some vigilantes who are just gonna beat the shit out of him? I don’t know, I’m mixed on this
You can agree someone needs to be judged for their actions, and you can disagree with the methods people use to do so. They're not mutually exclusive, but some people will still dogpile and call you a defender anyway 🫠
So the guy is disgusting.. but the thing is you should actually be pissed with the youtuber. Cause he F up the whole thing. And sometimes thats it.. you can’t go after the guy anymore.. everything has to start square one. It’s pretty infuriating.. which is why you can tell cops lo look pretty pissed when they see vitality and people.. and they should be charged with assualt and false imprisonment of the “ pedo”.. cause most likely they can’t even charge the pedo anymore..
Alex Rosen does a good job. He does however push a conservative political agenda. I will give him credit for mostly going after predators in “Red” areas. When he does catch a male offender going after boys, he usually says that this is a part of the community. He also sells a shirt of Bill Clinton with Epstein. Yet he supports Trump who also has Epstein ties. He actually defends Trump association with Epstein saying that Trump did not do anything wrong. Major hypocrite.
@@ishid.anfardedthats amazing. indiana actually uses the evidence collected it seems. PPSETX travels to every state regardless of if they will actually use the evidence (california, oregon etc. never uses it) so it skews their conviction stats
I imagine you're no different from a predator if you know your actions will allow them to run free. It's all for clout in a way that will result in more kids getting hurt. Even if it's to "teach them a lesson", it won't. You'll just make them prepare better next time. This is a dangerous and selfish game.
Catching predators should be done WITH police involved instead of random teens who want money and fame so the predators actually go to prison
This bot is real by the way do not download the video on the channel @Grinch-t3r
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@@memz2344don't go to the channel it's most likely real because last time a bot did this it was real cp
Well police aint doin there fuckin job
Red tape makes the process very inefficient. The police spend 3/4 the allocated time taking coffee and donuts.
"I think (everyone) can agree that harming (children) is bad."
Muta's optimism towards humanity is truly something to behold.
Indeed, I sat there thinking of two certain groups of people who do not care. 🙃
Yeah, I remember a documentary following a Marine Unit in Afghanistan, the commanding officer was trying to get village elders together with the Afghani general to convince them all that raping boys was not ok. Lets just say they really didn't care to change
@Grinch-t3r case and point example
"Boo hoo humanity bad"
@@jinxtheslugfromslugterra1760 there is documentary with interview on youtube, those child sell their body to bus driver, mostly living alone but i forgot whether it is pakistan or afgan
From the officer's perspective, without any prior knowledge or context, it just looks to them like a bunch of influencers are beating up a disabled guy and that's exactly how a court would spin it.
Isn't that literally in a pig's job description? To lie about everything and arrest everything that walks, just so it can get paid?
@@Zimon_Sombie lil bro just discovered the anarchism article on wikipedia lmfao
@@Zimon_Sombiechill out
@@Zimon_SombieWere you lobotomised as a child?
@@Zimon_Sombie we get it, youre a professional victim, no one cares
One day, one of these "investigator" teams is going to stumble upon an unstable, armed and panicked dude and he's gonna delete them
Jay carnicom has already gotten shot catching a pred and they still beat tf outta dude an still continue to catch these preds
This already happened
Did you even watch the video?
Thats happened already.
This is why i watch alex rosen, and skeeter.
FINALLY someone has said it😭 i feel like these predator catching channels don't actually care about saving kids, just about getting internet likes
I also think this predator hunting channels that are based around beating the predator are run by ppl who are mad against everything, so they do this """noble""" act to have a chance to let out the rage they have inside for sum reason in the form of physically assaulting others. This people should be investigated just like the predators
there are many that work directly with the police that do good work. like predator catchers indianapolis
@@Xerzenesometimes I get the feeling that some of them may be overcompensating for their own secret urges.
And skeet hansen
Is a good pred catcher
So basically if you want to be Chris Hansen be a Chris Hansen. Not a Chris Hansen with anger issues
Chris Hansen, rarely got anyone convicted, none of the stig operation that work with cameras not the police ends up giving the predator a criminal pass
@@Mattchupichuetbf he did work with law enforcement
be like Chris Hansen and defraud people lol
@@Mattchupichue The TCAP success rate was about 1/3 (120 convictions with 300+ arrests). The first and last stings were the only two that didn't lead convictions.
“If you can’t write Chris Hansen comforting a child, you haven’t written Chris Hansen. You’ve written Skeeter Jean with a Chris Hansen Costume.” I think that’s how the quote goes.
There were a couple of British lads who ran an organisation called Dark Justice wherein they posed as minors online, they would chat with adults and upon the adults asking to they'd turn up in bulletproof vests. They worked extensively with the police and got something like 150 convictions and 50-odd jail sentences. Their work resulted in a few cases going to the high court, the UK's Highest court, resulting in a ruling that attempting to meet a fake minor is legally no different from a real child. Proper inspiring stuff. I remember they did a long interview on national radio, LBC, which is an hour long. And you can find that on youtube, importantly none of their stings were put out on TH-cam.
while thats really cool, i think youtube and video evidence is a good thing, AS LONG as they follow a proper procedure. Revenue as a nonprofit so they can turn over the actual devices as evidence, access to better programs to fake "young" photos etc. And ive watched Colorda Ped Patrol (CPP) and getting these guys to admit and try to weasel there way out of a cop confrontation could be used as a statement to contradict any official statement. The more views also raises awareness for how prevalent this issue is.
That is absolutely how it should be done, through and through the RIGHT way. Probably my favourite part of that story is that they weren't posting on social media. All of these flops doing this shite lately are just clout chasers who don't really care about what they are trying (and utterly failing) to do. They just want to feel special and get attention and its fucking cringe.
This is how it should be done.
@@AmishDoinks for most yes, but there is a small number of folks who do this and it takes as much time as a job does, but youre doing for free. I can see how that gets really rough when you are making true sacrifices for the community but cant pay your bills due to the money not being anything. It probably isnt easy to talk to these needy ass preds all day for free but that does not mean you commercialize it all and make mistakes to let these creeps go legally.
I thought it was going the way of "to catch a predator-insane clown posse" but wow that is really inspiring
Throwing a flash bang is actually VERY serious. It’s not like a videogame in which it is a temporary stun. There are recorded cases of people actually DYING and suffering from permanent blindness. It is a very lethal weapon and you should NOT use something like that unless you have the absolute authority to do so.
I missed that part. But guess what. It’s impossible. A flashbang is a National Firearms Act regulated device by the ATF.
An people just don’t have them. An the people that do. Aren’t going to risk themselves tossing any flashbang at a pred or anyone else.
Each one has its own serial number and each serial number is registered to the ATF.
An to even be approved you have to send in multiple copies of your passport photo. 2 copies to the ATF a two copies to your local sheriff and copies of your finger prints. All of your finger prints each finger. included prints of 4 of them like entire finger aside from finger print tips only.
Plus pay $200 to the ATF as a tax. Than wait up to a year to maybe or maybe not even be approved. An your sheriff has to sign off on it also.
So in order to get one. It’s a a mess of a process to go through. An that’s if your lucky enough to even have crossed a legal avenue to buy one.
Otherwise you have to be some form or a SOT where your registered all kinds of ways with the ATF and allowed to build such devices a grenades ect.
Least that’s the hoops I had to do for suppressors ect for my guns. An some of my short barrel rifles. I did some as an individual a the others I got an attorney to write me up a Trust a their under the trust name.
So if anyone actually mentioned or did that. You can rest assured. What they had as a “flashbang” was nothing more than a toy a couple companies sell as a popper that may make a tiny flash or a pop. For people to throw at each other during airsoft games.
An them aren’t going to hurt anyone anykinda way.
So there’s no pred catcher throwing anything close to any real flashbang at anyone. You can take that to the bank. Ain’t happening nor ever going to happen.
Can’t believe everything ya hear or see. But them airsoft companies do call it that. But fact of the matter. Well it isn’t an it’s far from. A many times they don’t even go off. Their junk
I think with the correct placement, it's ok
These guys think that arrests made by Batman hold legal water
This guy thinks Batman is real.
He is Lil bro@@PresidentofAntifa
@@PresidentofAntifa I literally saw him last week
@@valkasomethingare u a criminal or something?
@PresidentofAntifa I was in Gotham last week kickin' it with batman. That lil jit owes me money
Stuff like this scares me because there's nothing stopping someone from randomly assaulting someone on camera and fabricating a screenshot and destroying someone's reputation
I don’t think this usually happens though
@@zeuszo_o1593 All it takes is one case. There are women that are crazy enough to injure themselves just to blame it on a man they hate. And if you aren't a wounds expert you may not be able to tell what self inflicted wounds look like.
@@zeuszo_o1593 happens all the time its why men are rarely believed when it comes to assault rape ect cases even if they are the victim.
@@zeuszo_o1593 Uncommon things become common awfully quickly, if you spent more than 10 minutes on the internet or spent time in the real world, you'd know that.
Regardless of what type of crime it is (murder, rape, abuse, theft, etc.) there is always someone devious and shitty enough to make a false accusation of it with the primary goal of ruining the life of someone they hate. It's pretty rational to be worried when a trend arises that can facilitate these false accusations despite how rare they may be.
"before you comment first or something i want to have a conversation"
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so true
So true. I always see em, “first!”
Most likely spam as you can see from the replies
jesus christ theses comment bots got dark
holy fuck those bots are disgusting
@Grinch-t3rwell you're on brand this time at least
My favorite part is when Skeet Hansen says "it's skeeting time" and then skeets all over the predator in 4K.
Fax
This is why channels like CC Unit and People V Pred always say, "I'm recording so that you can't tell the police that I hurt you, and so that I can't tell them you hurt me". They were aware of how assaulting a predator would hold up in court and they never did it. Those predator catchers who wail on predators are clueless on how that works.
they say the same things, they only assault after the pred has already touched them
Alex rosen is a good one hes gotten quite a few convictions
@akiva1168 true. I love the fact they finally got one off the streets for good via self delete.
the problem is even if your recording ...if you cause a altercation the recording means nothing, it can be useful yes but circumstance and situation apply in all cases. now using a recording to prevent either side from lying if not altercation occurs is a good thing and can be extremely useful and helpful.
The thing is CC unit has assaulted people before too
The thing that really annoys me about Predator Hunting channels is that when you criticize them their audience will call you a predator defender, Which is ironic considering the people they're defending are literally helping predators avoid any kind of justice. Which is what Max's audience did to Tommy C and we all know what happened to Max in the end.
this. youre literally LETTING THEM GO FREE????
The ppl in this video literally give the evidence to private detectives who then build a case to give to police. You’re talking about stuff you don’t know about, like you know about it.
@@RL_ManicFX Uh, no they do not. Which is why they are still walking the streets. In fact one of the guys in that video you're talking about was spotted in a 7/11 not too long ago😂
@@indrainspace2601 hey pal, you know its not gonna be 100% right? Also, you know you’ve just proven me right in your own comment. That guy was seen, noticed and labeled as a pred because of said video. It’s about exposing them. You have to be a child.
@@RL_ManicFX dude you’re proving him right with your absolute ignorance of law and order in the United States. Being declared a pdf file socially is VERY different than being declared a pdf file by the government and charged as one…. How do people LITERALLY not understand this. I will not entertain any response from you because you are willfully ignoring the differences. Have a great one and don’t get in too much trouble with that attitude!
These guys don’t care about imprisoning these sickos, they just want their 15 mins of fame
Nick Nobody in a nutshell.
He's even lower than these wannabe hunters, at least the guys theyre exploiting for fame are actually preds.
Often times law enforcement doesn’t do much so they resort to “street justice”. With the group responsible for most of the catches that go viral, they’ve been doing this since I was in Ms/hs and initially, police presence was the route they took, however TH-cam would keep removing their channels and the cops wouldn’t do much because “no crime has actually been committed”, “entrapment” etc. I personally don’t see an issue w it. The damage they would’ve done to a real child is what I’m worried about. A lot of the guys who do successfully get arrested end up coming out and getting caught by them again so what can we say.
@@slashinatorz1961you misspelled Mamamax pretty bad there buddy haha
The law doesn't care about imprisoning these sickos either.
Like cops do anything 😂
I've seen these videos months ago, He assaulted an alleged predator, without providing any physical evidence to us the people. All it was, was "trust me dude" while I watch man get beaten like a pulp.
And you can't call them out without people going "dude are you defending a ped? Te fuck?"
@@RyanPhilip-w6dmaybe because y’all don’t watch their real vids because you have to pay for it ? You haven’t watched one full vid just the clips where they get beat up 😂
@@LeoSus-jv4qjso we gotta pay for the evidence
@@ppurpleduck trust me I ain’t paying that shit
@@LeoSus-jv4qj this was not the gotcha you think it was
Also, nowadays, big content creators are becoming monthly diddlers.
Power corrupts all. Imagine never growing passed the mind set of an 18 year old because 13-18 yo is 80% of ur audience, and it makes u millions with 0 qualifications.
@Grinch-t3rplz stop spamming, thank you. 😱
@Grinch-t3r Bro thinks he's plagued moth
@@jankwartel1860DO NOT RESPOND TO BOTS, REPORT THEM TO TH-cam AND THE FBI BECAUSE THIS ONE IS DISTRIBUTING CSAM
@@iamnotweak9259 yeah plagued moth the dude who faked about seeing it
Everyone deserves due process, and these vigilante acts can derail justice rather than promote it.
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Not everyone DESERVES due process, imo, but everyone does have the RIGHT to due process which I’m ok with and agree with
@bjornzek lol shut up. Everyone deserves due process. That’s how tell if someone’s innocent or guilty. I guess you don’t care about that do you?
@@bjornzek
There's innocent people that was caught in the crossfire and being accused of being a PDF File. Look it up. They were put up on a blast and didn't even get an apology after they realized they messed up.
@Bestow3000 lol you think i don’t know that? I’m saying there are people out there who dont deserve due process, not everyone does. If you have a hard time comprehending that statement maybe go back to elementary school
Just remember that Predator Poachers waited for full monetization of their EDP445 video before uploading it in case you're wondering what their priorities were. Is it good that EDP got outed for what he was doing? Yes, but the way PP did it made it so that he couldn't properly be prosecuted.
They've improved A LOT since then gaining many convictions. Alex is probably the best at getting these guys to admit their crimes on camera. I've witnessed very many arrests. That EDP video was years ago and the catch was flawed. They've changed how they operate.
PP is top tier. Alex Rosen is doing great work. Way to cherry pick. What have YOU done?
@@themightycrixus1131 For real what has this guy done lol
Alex has gotten way better since then. He gets actual confessions on camera and has gotten tons arrested and convicted.
Y'all know edp is back
My hesitation as a survivor: people who make content out of this are reminiscent of the adults I grew up with who beat their chest and loudly proclaimed protecting children but always seemed willfully ignorant (at best) to complicit in this kind of thing happening within their circle. There is no simple short term gratifying hero moment in that.
This kind of vigilantism is about manufacturing what feels like a quickly solved dilemma. It’s feeding a sense of unearned accomplishment in a way that hinders the actual process.
Are they as bad as predators themselves? No. But they’re just as bad as the people who call victims liars and try to cover it up. Because they’re serving themselves and their interests over kids no matter how they try to justify it.
Poorly organized and unregulated groups like this are the best kinds of magnets for abusive people. Just like the feckless online social justice circles are always rife with the kinds of people they claim to denounce. That’s the problem when your motivation is feeling good more than it is doing good.
Just going around assaulting predators isn’t doing anything productive as far as getting predators behind bars.
@@_KOOIL_ Yeah its grey, I think even if “terrible” things happened to these people when meeting up it would be a net positive for the world, but then where do you start and stop? You can’t be judge jury and executioner, it just doesn’t work.
spoiler alert they don't end up behind bars anyway
see but if you take them out of the gene pool then they wouldnt need to take up space on this mortal plane
@@_KOOIL_it doesn’t though. People know this can happen and it still happens. Some countries will cut off fingers if you steal something, and people still get caught stealing regardless. It does absolutely nothing but make predators take different measures to not let this happen.
@@TheRealDioBrando exactly doesn’t help at all!
I was abused. And I can tell you the vigilante style of these groups upset me. It isn't because the idea of taking these scumbags off guard is somehow bad.
It just comes off as ego and personal desire for violence being the true motivating factor. Like, cruel people who would abuse anyone can justify it because the person happens to be bad.
And you are right about the conviction aspect. With regards to the law, this is an example where the law has any motive for being corrupt. They can literally only look like heroes. So let the justice system do what it's designed to do
The conviction aspect is what pisses me off the most and I also am someone that was abused. Just lets these scumbags off the hook most times since it wasn't handled properly. All just so these bad actors can go on power trips acting out violent fantasies for clout and have it be justified because its a bad person like you said.
You're probably right. Hard to say if they're indiscriminately violent or not, though. Abuse can very quickly inspire homicidal tendencies in me, personally. I spent a great deal of time learning to control my reactions, but the monster's still there. That doesn't make me a better person. But that's life.
And frankly, I don't think it makes them heroes either. Because let's be real: predators don't morph into puppies. If they didn't think law enforcement could, or would, deal with these creeps (and they really did want to take out the trash) the last thing they'd want is a camera filming what would need to be done.
Just saying..
Best just leave it to the professionals, and hold those professionals accountable when justice isn't done.
@@MaryDunfordwell, if you look at some of the people, such as Vitaly who is known to have a violent past, it seems like these people are violent people and want an out, where they can be as violent as they want without too much uproar. These people are terrible too
@@MaryDunford That's irrelevant to abuse. You just need therapy to fix your lack of empathy and anger management issues.
U weren’t abused/assaulted.
Honestly I think that these sting operations should not assault the alleged predator and should always have law enforcement present and they should just let the law do its justice
Wouldn’t work in the UK because our Police are too busy browsing Facebook looking for people making offensive comments and throwing them in jail.
@@DiamondCake2and they're apparently trying to go after Americans 😂
I hear ya, but having a community-driven approach to governing said community is not a bad idea. I'm not condoning what these youtubers do, I'm just saying that law enforcement is not effective enough to significantly protect children from predators.
@@DiamondCake2A.I. does that already don't need a lot of manpower.
@@ThePencilNerd I can't wait for the brits to try. I'm sure it will go well and not push extremists over the edge.
It's crucial to ensure that any predator hunting is carried out in a legally sound and responsible manner, so as to not jeopardize any possible convictions.
While their intentions might be good, not following legal procedures or letting emotions govern their actions harm the integrity of the case and might allow the alleged criminal to go free, defeating the purpose.
Their intentions are absolutely not good, it's vile. They don't do this for justice, they do this just to beat up and assault people(who obviously happens to be an alleged PDF).
Just for police to let them out again …
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If the main demographic were black dudes I'm almost certain y'all wouldn't be saying a word.
thankfully someone is talking about this. it’s such a mockery of real predators when i see famous people - lil pump, ty dolla sign - assaulting predators *catchers* which is basically a slap on the wrist for these guys. these predators will reoffend, only this time much smarter and much aware.
Forgot that lil pump existed 😭
"a mockery of real predators" 😭
Those vids are scripted
and if this new fad follows the trend the Perverted Justice set, the demand for content will outstrip supply, they'll start entrapping and faking this stuff for views.
@kairoday ill give the benefit of the doubt and assume they meant "predator catchers" 💀
They're all doing it for views, they don't actually care about saving kids. That's why they're playing vigilantes and getting predators off the hook from the actual law.
Been saying it for months, these people don't care about children. They just want the money and numbers, capitalizing off of the hysteria to fill their own pockets while desensitizing the masses.
The real issue is that there's nothing to stop these vigilantes from attacking random people and then declaring "It's okay he was a predator" with no evidence.
These vigilante actions although seemingly noble, often do more harm than good. These matters should be left to law enforcement authorities who are equipped to handle them correctly. Let’s strive for justice, but not at the expense of due process.
Pretty much if they really cared about the kids they would have went law enforcement with their finding. A good lawyer could have the case thrown out. Especially since the guy is on spectrum they could say he didn’t know any better. And was lured there. Not saying I side the guy but get the evidence and present it to the police.
At what point do they seem noble? It is abundantly clear that these creators could care less about real victims, or reducing the crime, they just like to get views.
If they were truly trying to raise awareness or stop criminals they’d approach things much more professionally, work alongside law enforcement, and avoid clickbait sensationalism.
I absolutely hate these kinds of channels because they don't actually care about the safety of children. They see it how popular of a topic it is online and assume it's as easy as becoming a decoy, meeting up with them, and recording their embarrassment and disgusting nature for the whole world to see. Only for them to realize they've destroyed the potential case they set up by not showing restraint and not involving the police.I know law enforcement can be unreliable and SUPER frustrating, but there is a reason we have procedures for monsters like this.
Is there even a situation where you need to make a video about it? Just get them arrested, no need for some kind of weird bragging.
@@daniellundberg2875 You must feel empathetic, I care can less about a court process give em a taste of the trauma they’re about to inflict
@@daniellundberg2875wrong person I meant the initial comment
They also give a bad name to genuinely great predator catchers like Predator Poachers.
@@respectfully4726 Yea, but it unironically doesn't work. They make it harder to convict a pedo. Let the cops and prisoners handle the physical punishment. A pedo catcher need to just expose the guy or shine the light, and do it correctly. A lot of these guys aren't properly tracked now, there's nothing to really make sure they don't do it again since they weren't convicted of a crime, so they can just change their name grow a beard or get a hair cut, and boom they're basically no going to be properly caught and punished. EDP is someone that's free right now, because the sting operation wasn't done properly.
Just saying we aren't Batman, any lawyer can use the fact that the pedo could've been forced to admit to the crime, or at first were hesitant but then the pedo catchers kept egging them on to commit the crime. There's a reason why Chris Hansen worked with police
My issue with the "catching a predator" genre, particularly the groups you mentioned, is that he goal isn't actually protecting children. That's not why people watch those channels. Those channels are about violence, about attacking people. The only reason p*dos are involved are because they are seen as acceptable targets. These people would just as quickly be acting this way against anyone else, so long as they wouldn't see backlash from doing so. Personally, I consider the same sort of scum as what they are claiming to fight. The type willing to hurt anyone for personal gain.
Being confidently wrong is never a good look. The group that puts out most of these vids slapping predators actually has a member that was molested as a child. They've put up a video where he confronts his own abuser. This comment just tells me you're doing the same thing, you probably judge anyone when given the opportunity.
@@user88591 Where is the proof most have? I can say hulk gaped my asshole while I was asleep, does it make it true? No. There has always been trends that come, that assault people just to assault people, like that one where people snuck up behind old people and knocked them out for no reason, randomly jumping people for no reason, throwing stuff at peoples faces etc.
It is people who want to commit violence, without wanting to worry about being shunned by society.
@@user88591it’s actually one of the dads against predators co founder that confronted his abuser
@@user88591huh, how is this even a logical thought process? It seems to me that out of anger for this man defending people your not a fan of.....you claim that because a thing happened to someone, it makes random violence ok, you then appear to accuse this person of similar crimes? My guy , deep breaths and try again yeah?
Thank you
The worst of these was guys going after a 17 year old who they catfished with a 14 year old, so these are grown men targeting a kid and labeling him a predator while they're the literal predators attacking and lying about a minor over nothing, luckily the kid managed to beatdown the never washed in failed rapper turned wannabe batman predator (they actually compared themselves to batman). Them going after a 17 year old over this shows not only they don't care but they don't even know what a real predator is (it's them).
Could you link me this case? Sounds horrible
As an SA survivor this is so infuriating. I tried to get justice, got a confession, a judge said "there is no doubt that a crime was committed here"- well the defense came back after the pretrial and got ot successfully dismissed. These cases with proof are so easy to get thrown out for the smallest thing (i said i was masochistic in a text message once so it was apparently okay to grape me).
These cases need to treated with the utmost care and caution. These vigilantes need to stop. Youre not helping, you are hurting so so much and allowing these monsters ther perfect out. It only takes one wrong word to aquit them.
Idk man. Saying you like certain things using words that are synonymous with grape makes it hard to take your side. If it's just **x talk, disclose that. People don't mean what they say anyway but the law doesn't see it that way. And it won't change. Just don't say those things
@@brainchamber99ok victim blamer
I bet what happened is you and your significant other were getting a little rough. He got too rough or did something you didn't like and you went scorched earth policy on him even though 6 hours earlier you were convincing him to roleplay as Christian gray.
Wow those replies are sickening I’m sorry that happened to you
Jesus ignore the comments expect the guy above me pepper, hope you are feeling happy nowdays.
Channels like these is why somehow EDP came back.
what? edp wasn’t touched and even confessed to everything he did on camera 😂😂 blame the police or the laws in cali for not arresting edp!!
Do people even know what EDP did prior to the scandal at this point?
What!!!??
its also why he got exposed in the first place. Far as we know, he could still be enjoying being a successful career as a creator if not for one.
It has to do with California not with the catchers lol. Edp got caught with a real kid and nothing happened
It’s almost like it’s obstruction of justice when vigilantes do this stuff for their own personal gain for whatever personal reasons. It just ruins any chance of people getting actually convicted.
Doesn't matter when the police arent gonna do anything anyway.
@@bspitler0 That's just a defeatist loser take lol. If good evidence is collected and proper channels are used then an arrest is likely and the police will do their job. Bad examples do happen, but the system we have is what we gotta work with, and just because some bad examples happen doesn't erase the majority of good ones
@@illfittinghelmet4072Thats just not true. Its the other way round, there's a few groups out there that do good work but the majority of them are hated by the police and are seen as a nuisance who stop genuine predators from seeing justice cause they have no idea what they are doing or know how to collect usable evidence in a legal way. Hardly any of these stings result in convictions.
@@bspitler0 So why not try to change the laws then? Because as mentioned in the video, some of these people get charges on themselves for how they conduct these stings, and you can't protect the kids if you yourself are behind bars or escalating violent situations.
@@illfittinghelmet4072 Yeah I've witnessed first hand the REPEATED failure of our legal system to arrest and KEEP PDF's in jail. For a century now non profit organizations have had to step up to help the government gather evidence, even fucking biker gangs have dedicated chapters who volunteer time to show up and guard a kids house when law enforcement doesnt have ENOUGH proof a kid is in danger.
If you've resigned yourself to the low standards of modern American law, YOU'RE the loser with a defeatest view. This is not what our forefathers wanted for us. To struggle to even ARREST, not execute, just ARREST PDFs.
Chris Hanson has talked about this several times. If this is not done in conjunction with laws enforcement, there are so many loopholes in the law for criminals to get off.
The reason these people don’t work in conjunction with law enforcement is because they would be prohibited from making content. These police departments would want to take over the “investigation” completely leaving the creator with nothing to present.
Vigilante justice helps nobody.
I got flamed for replying to a video where they kicked a supposed predator in the face and knocked him out, where I said that videos like these encourage people to go beat up or even kill people who THEY THINK are pedos, that innocent people will get hurt. It's also just stupid dangerous to go after someone you think is a criminal. We can't have kids see this content and think they can go 1v1 some child rapist.
Also, innocent until proven guilty exists. A content creator does not have the power to prove someone guilty; that is the job of the law.
Mf they guilty you acting like they tricking them as an excuse to beat someone up
That video revealed a lot about people. The reasoning they'd come up with to justify ENDING lives is disgusting. That's the worst thing any human can do to the other, and we get people justifying it. They lose all moral authority the moment they endorse it
@@tracyswrld6331 Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. If the courts have not ruled them innocent or guilty yet, then they are innocent. Yes people will use fake stuff and trick people into stuff to give them an excuse to hurt someone, it won't be everyone but some people will do it none the less, especially with people they dislike. Mob justice is terrible and leads to downfalls of nations.
Yeah, few years back two young men got life in prison for beating a guy to death they wrongly thought was a pdf. They also tried to blackmail him, they had zero interest in justice. Since they didn't actually had anything on this random old man, he refused and they beat him to death.
@@tracyswrld6331 No, you're the only one thinking that.
I'm just saying that a vigilante is not the court system.
What if you got attacked by these people who had no real evidence? Because there was none? You'd be okay with some dude filming himself assaulting you while calling you a pedo? What if he punches you and you fall onto the pavement and DIE?
Just because people like this do find real pedos, that doesn't mean that EVERY person they think is a pedo is guilty.
This becomes a problem when they KICK THEM IN THE FACE which could LEAD TO THEIR DEATH.
These dudes CANNOT confirm every "pedo" they come across.
I couldn't care less about what happens to a pedophile, but I do care about what happens to someone who is MISTAKEN as a pedo.
Thank god someone big is finally saying this.
Bros telling us not to humiliate them when he’s a straight up bully on Keemstars show. Makes no sense to me
@@WrdtoMuva boogie is a scam artist and professional victim. This topic has nothing to do with the video
Muta doesn't care. Its a bandwagon and he hopped on it for money.
@angreydoggo4357 what's a bandwagon? The fact boogie admitted to faking cancer to get donations? Or the fact that muta is correctly pointing out that these vigilante wannabe punisher larpers are actively making it harder for pedophiles to be convicted.
I said this and I got called a ped sympathetic person 😂
I don't know why one of your videos was in my feed but i'm glad it was. I typically use TH-cam as an aloof source for news from things i'm generally interested in. After 2 videos i gave an instant sub. Keep up the good work. And yes, please keep having a very diverse range of topics.
6:46
Skeeter Jean is as close to Chris Hansen as you'll get.
The one channel I've seen that does a good job at this is Skeeter Jean
They *record* and ONLY RECORD the predators while talking to them.
They then give this footage to police along with all their evidence.
The most "physical" I've seen them get is chasing the predator when they run away.
But they just keep asking them things as they're running.
Alex Rosen and CPP got way better over the years, and these are the only two channels I'm watching occasionally. They are not flawless, yet they don't conduct vigilante or mob rule behaviour, which does neither help the victims nor the justice system.
Skeeter has been caught faking vids, cant trust that lad anymore
nah skeeter is so cheesy. you gotta watch predator catchers indianapolis and people v preds
@@BasedFrequencyfr? what vids did he fake 😮😮/gen (ive been watching his vids lately)
@si3916 it was gonna be a vid series called skeeter cheaters about catching cheaters and confronting them. Lots of tiktoks also about how some other catches may be faked
This guy I went to high school with died doing this. He attempted to confront a predator in a Walmart but he didn’t account that the predator had a firearm.
Play dumb games win dumb prizes. Darwin still finds a way here in this over safe zone sometimes. How about be smart about your actions and you may actually even help kids you claim to be helping instead of helping the PDF file get off due to your stupidity.
@@SM-nz9ff exactly
Shouldn’t have tried to be a vigilante. Due process means innocent until proven guilty *in the court of law*, not based on a TH-camr’s opinions.
@@tony9146 exactly. Dude I remember people were telling him on Facebook he should knock it off - bro just kept trying to chase that bag
I’ve seen Predator channels where they are working with police and they get convictions. I think it comes down to working with law enforcement and not going Rogue. That’s when you see these guys get away.
most people that dont care or encourage the vigilantes acknowledge the light sentencing and statistic of re-offense of sex crimes historically i wish muta said a damn thing about that and made that acknowledgement of why the public sentiment is the way it is
Like who? Even TCAP didn’t have much success getting convictions. They get a slap on the wrist, and some of them have even got caught multiple times after
All of those channels say the same thing. There are some areas where the cops will do something, there are a lot of areas where they won't.
@@saintgtx alex rosen of predator poachers has been getting tons of convictions because hes getting these guys to admit to having child porn on their phone on camera. thats been a very very successful tool for him for the last few years. honestly ever since the EDP stuff hes made changes and has been doing incredible work.
The cops protect pdfs. Vigilante wood chipper is all we have left
Thank you for actually addressing this. seems like people are afraid to speak on this because it would make them seem like they’re defending the predators. there’s just a way to handle this. People could get hurt trying to do these sting operations without getting police involved.
There's a saying where I live: "The one who doesn't get in the way is the one who helps a lot". These dudes clearly don't know any of that
i mean clearly they probably dont live where you live 💀
In some cases if these exposé channels didn’t exist, then the predators would never be found and would stay at large.
@@epicswirl Opposite actually. They make it harder to prosecute, get in the way of Justice being served and make false accusations based on their feelings. And facts don't care about their feelings. Keep studying.
@@serayog137 Not all the time. Some channels actually get them locked up and work with police.
People doing it improperly don’t help the situation. If the ones that do a proper exposé and work with police didn’t exist, then these predators would never be caught. Local police and law enforcement don’t do enough.
@@epicswirl But none of them do. They don't even actually care. These are people looking for their 15 mins of fame because they assaulted someone and ruined their life, becoming another victim of the predator because they let their emotions control them. Keep studying. These people aren't Chris Hansen.
I live in Africa. I can tell you that MOB Justice is side effect of BAD Policing or Justice system that does NOT actually punish with criminals.
In America the police romanticized the Punisher. I do not think I need to explain why a singular person deciding who needs to die is a horrible idea.
Except that Africa is not the US
@@the_letter_5579 huh
Africa's not so different from the rest of the world, then. But mob justice is, at best, like slapping duct tape over a hole in your roof and calling it fixed.
That's part of it. But a lot of it is narcissistic and vain people desperate to get their 15 minutes of fame
"What nation you're from-"
My only take from this is we gotta remember that there's nations where age of consent can be as low as 11 years old and some have forced/arranged marriages.
Arranged marriages ain't the same as forced marriages.
And there's no country with the age of consent of 11. Even in countries like Argentina where it's 13 doesn't mean that people there do shit over there to 13 year olds.
And Mutahar's point was that child abuse is seen as wrong by everyone which is true. It's not a brave take.
I assume you're reffering to Japan?
Japan has a Fairly complicated age of consent law, actually, but in effect, the lower ages are only For those of the Same age range.
@@ia285 found the indian
Every accusation is a confession. The west lies through their teeth. You are not different and I expect you are a supporter of Israel.
@@ia285get yer damn head out of the clouds many muslims for certain see it asa mans right
Even legit predator investigation groups do not recommend doing these because instead of helping, they're actually doing damage.
Not even Chris Hansen would assault predators.
the biggest misconception about internet vigilantes is thinking it's about putting people behind bars. it's not.
most of the time it's about punishing or tormenting perpetrators till either said perpetrator kills themself or someone kills them.
I agree, but I don't believe that it isn't about money too. Beating other person and getting money for it, no downsides for them.
@@xsoultillerx and they get the preds name out there which would ruin their life anyways. People saying these vigilantes are bad, have some major issues
they are just as likely of doing something terrible to someone else as they are of doing something terrible to themselves when desperate and tormented
I get your point, but to paraphrase a saying, a cornered animal will lash out if it thinks that's all it can do. What's to stop them from coming armed with a weapon, or just killing someone before they take themselves out? A person confronting a police officer (who has multiple ways to diffuse the situation and is trained) is likely going to surrender, while if they encounter some vigilante they might just go straight to the most extreme option.
@@flarestorm9417 defending preds is wild bro
I've been saying this Exact thing!! It always compromises the case if it's used for attention rather than taking the proper steps to ENSURE they get locked up.. It's gross to see it being used as a trend..
I was abused and still think watching this stuff for entertainment is sadistic.
It is. But people love bloodsport.
two wrongs doesn’t make a right :(. there should be channels concerned with how to detect warning signs of CSA / best ways to handle it… that would do more to help than this…
Anyone claiming to be a "vigilante" and they're not directly working (contracted) with official law enforcement then they are a criminals with a tendency towards violence and an obvious disregard for law and order and should be treated as such and held accountable, period.
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@@CDUBGOTNEXT Contracted government vigils, bounty hunters really, or anything along those lines.
I truly hate these channels that are stopping justice. just for some fucking clout. let the police do their jobs you’re not a fucking vigilante
police won't do anything bro
Calm down lil bro
@@Japathic are these police who won't do anything currently in the room with us?
Police don't do anything because no children have actually m been harmed YET. Wake up
@@shinzo5744i’ve had family members get groomed where the guy hasn’t gotten justice this stuff irks me
Not having cops involved is bad enough, its even worse if they end up catching a passerby thats not even involved. This is why I dont support citizen sting operations because theres so much that can go wrong and will go wrong. If you have evidence you should provide it to the cops. Not saying that is the case in this video but false accusations are also life ending societally.
crazy that a random passerby can look exactly like a child predator abd even share their name too!!
Or even worse.. they tell bystander it’s a pedo and the bystander helps them catch and then beats the person up and the bystander is changed for assualt and false imprisonment.
@@omegakeg7333 can you tell me what a child predator looks like? Cuz they can be the average Joe on your street and you wouldn't know. These people need to be arrested and locked away from society for life. That won't happen if people keep baiting behind the back of the police. Wrongful arrests do happen. I'd like to make sure the right people are behind bars, not the innocent.
@@npcimknot958 that would actually be effed up if that happened and the other person was innocent too. If I found out I just beat a dude who did nothing wrong, on whim of someone else who I also don't know, I'd start questioning my life decisions.
Yeah plus the dms doesn’t hold any water in law and will not get him to convicted for it edp445 would’ve been in prison right now if it works they just getting themselves in trouble for no reason
Predators and that specific topic trying not to be the center of 2024. Truly an impossible idea.
As a person who... well say for better terms was groomed as a child; It really fucking hurts to seeing people walking free from abusing children. It will effect the children for the rest of their lives; they will not see justice or know peace if the predators walk free, and could possibly hurt people again.
Glad Muta is talking about this. I've seen a trend of people performing felonies and throwing out easily winnable cases for things that should definitely be taken to court.
They're only "easily winnable" if the DA's are willing to do their job.
Fun fact: The TH-cam channel Trilogy Media who are known for there scam baiting videos, did a few catching predator videos, which were very poorly done due to there unprofessionalism, that the co-founder of Trilogy Media (Ashton Bingham) not only replied to comments with insulting remarks, but he made an TH-cam series on his streaming service insulting anyone who made any videos/comments about him or his channel, weathered it was hate comments or hate videos and constructive criticism. I know this because there toxic fanbase harassed me non stop for years.
@2:35 that audio played before any video in my left ear bud and i thought someone was standing next to me and i absolutely jumped out of my chair lmao
SAME IT GOT ME SO BAD
I made a video on this topic a few years ago and pissed off a predator channels audience so much they took down my second video on their channel specifically. They even invited me onto their podcast but I never heard back from them. Glad that people are finally starting to catch on to the dangers of this type of stuff.
Vitaly should have been in jail for life he beat that woman to near death and helps predators get away with anything
Yeah these channels are twisted. It can be fascinating to watch from a voyeuristic perspective but I've seen them make pitos do push-ups and stuff. As a deal so they don't call the cops. They're willing to let these people free if it somehow benefits their content. Let alone all the cases they're ruining
Most of the amateur pred catcher channels feel like righteous virtue signaling tbh.
Not to mention they're sus in general, like they're trying to take the light off themselves "Hey guys look he stole all this money!" While stealing other stuff while everyone is looking elsewhere.
Dad's against predators has a long history of not trying to sensationalize, click bait, or over monetize videos, and Jay is a veteran, they're good guys
You know what’s something I noticed? A lot of these guys seem to be in the spectrum. Which is sad.
💀💀💀@Grinch-t3r
What's sad is touching children
As someone who is diagnosed on the spectrum I assure you there is not a pattern
As someone on the spectrum, thats a weird thing to point out unless your implying something..? It's sad either way, regardless.
Just like somebody on the spectrum whos talking to children would say...
thank god someone is talking about the negative implications of handling cases like this they way they do instead of meatriding the catchers
Well. They didn’t show any evidence against the guy they caught. But their own video shows plenty of evidence of assault and battery and destruction of property. If any cops did what these guys did, they would be fired, charged, their city would get sued, and any charges against the perpetrator would have to be dropped.
DAP said “The law is just gonna give you a slap on the wrist…we’re gonna give you a slap on your face!” 😂😂😂
been saying this for years, 90% of these channels are just helping preds not get caught in the future..a few are good.
Even then, that 10% better have a good idea about what they're doing. I don't trust predator hunting channels either.
I said that on a video and was told I was ‘supporting PDF files’. Like.. you’re literally teaching them to be more cautious in the future so they don’t get caught next time.
@@hannibalspectre637 It's actually pretty damn wild. Modern society as it is has fallen thanks to those types of people, including child groomers, pedophiles, grifters, corrupt law enforcement, you name it.
These predator catching channels are the perfect representation of "doing the right thing in the wrong way"
Right it’s a few I come across that are very professional with how they catch these guys and will normally have law enforcement involved with all the information needed for them but the most important thing they don’t put their hands on the predator
Is it really the right thing?
After the battery if this makes it to court, “my client was just saying what he thought they wanted him to say to stop them beating him”. Anything he said there isn’t usable if obtained while or around when you’re beating him… basically ruining what could have been a confession if they had just talked to him without beating him.
Exactly confessions made during duress are not allowed to be used as evidence in the court.
@@iamthehype3684 Half the time the courts just let them go anyways.
Also, confessions without being under the penalty of perjury and without the presence of a lawyer can just easily be swept away as joking or saying shit. How much crap don't we all say every day that could be construed as confessions? I can't imagine a world where saying to one's friend "I want to punch [insert chosen politician or famous person] in the nose" would lead to incarceration for making an illegal threat. How many of us would really punch that person in the nose if given the chance. Not many. It's just something people say.
@@oliver_twistor yeah that’s not how that works. You don’t need to be sworn in or in the presence of a lawyer to confess to things.
Your example is something you’d actually be arrested for if you had intent like a possible plan or said it to the person/their staff or were making threats to the point someone reported it. Which people get arrested for all the time? It’s called terroristic threats depending on how you’re communicating them.
Glad you spoke on this. Because whenever someone says they dont like these entertainment pred catcher channels for this exact reason, ppl immediately start the whole "youre defending PDFs" bs. The entertainment is not worth ruining the chance at real justice.
In a way, they’re nitpicking what they see on social media rather than stepping up and doing something better themselves. It’s easy to criticize from the sidelines, but at least these channels are doing something-which is more than can be said for those who just complain about everything, acting like nothing is ever good enough for their viewing pleasure.
@@ZenOnKbmyou are literally doing exactly what youre complaining about rn
This is sophistry. Two crimes are two crimes, a second related crime doesnt make the first crime go away.
I cant speak for the UK, but in the states if you assault someone who assualted a third person, there are two people going to jail.
This is a very black/white view of how law works. The legal system is very complex. But muta agreed with you 3:15
That's not how things are going to play down in a court though. Even if they don't get away with it, it still gives them a stronger case. When private citizens take the law into their own hands, especially through violent or illegal means, it can undermine the integrity of the legal process. This might lead to the perception that the case against the accused is less reliable.
6:45 bro why is he randomly almost puking in this video and continues like nothing happened 😭
I thought none saw it till I noticed your comment. 😂
Good video, just this part got to me. 😂
That’s one of his signatures lol. Clearly you’re new lmao. He does that in almost every video that included PDFs and nasty stuff.
I lol'd hard reading this just as I hit the timestamp
he was burping too lol, must be reflux
I cant stop laughing at that part lmao hahahahahaha so natural
"Harming kids is bad" damn hot take.
Okay but real talk. As much as there are valid criticisms of police, they are required in circumstances like this.
People in these comments need to learn logic or go to therapy or be put in jail themselves to learn how to control emotions. Go learn from batman before you start calling people pdf defenders thinking your some hero. It's insane the amount of people who want physical violence and only bash mental violence if it even is mental violence considering everyone reacts differently to one situation. Thank you for once someone made a video on these crazy people who are a physical danger to society because of uncontrolled emotions.
Most ironically, they're having UTTP goons defend them on videos like this.
they've evolved, they're no longer UTTP, the names are fairly random now. complete scum. not sure how youtube cant automatically ban these bots posting the same comment on hundereds of reply sections immediately. feels like it wouldn't be that hard
@@jurb417it's almost like youtube doesn't care.
It is strange how TH-cam is now letting them have a platform just like them bringing back EDP & keeping Kris Tyson & Dr Disrespect. Yet they would ban anyone else. The same thing applies with TikTok, Instagram, Reddit, & Twitter (now X).
@@jurb417 And then there's multiple accounts with the same name pasting the same comment. It sounds to me like they take this vids topic personally, as Muta's videos no longer had any weird bot comments recently until this one.
@@RagingFlamesRedGuyAttitude Don't forget SSSniperwolf and Colleen Ballinger.
To anyone that hasnt seen the censored video, DAP didnt just give him a little slap. Bro slammed the alleged predator so hard into a beam holding up a porch overhang that the entire thing completely bent and collapsed over him.
Good
Nice
Totally warranted. You don't go after kids.
That's Nice
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I think predator catching channels (mostly, not all) attract weirdos who like watching videos of people catching or attacking other weirdos. That's my hot take.
More right than you think
See: the Acid Bath Murders
Yeah, that's my thought. Like as a survivor, I'm not getting kicks seeing those videos. If anything, I have no stomach AT ALL for real violence.
I don't think the content helps anyone actually affected by preds...
@@littlegiantj8761 sounds horrific. Will check that out.
@@weasel7491 first, I'm very sorry this happened to you, second yeah, I just feel uncomfortable watching predator catching videos. I just don't understand the appeal. Predators should be punished, not given a pass from things like this.
Shouldn’t even be a hot take because you’re correct. I also find that some of these ‘hunters’ get a kick out of pretending to be kids when they message these weirdos to trap them. It’s really disturbing.
Alex with PP Southeast Texas does it well... he doesnt assault them, he just calmly gets them to admit everything the police need
Yep. muta doesn't mention him on purpose bc he destroys his thesis here
Isn't Alex from PP that racist guy that kept saying the N word on video?
@@BlackFire69 racist or not he is incredibly good at catching preds
@@amidnightstroll376 literally mentioned by name at 17:40
@@ezzysalazar yea a tiny footnote at the end that he's "pretty good." Alex literally refutes most of the points he made in this video.
Ive been saying this! These people couldn't care less about a childs safty they just want an easy target to attack with no consequences and be praised for it
*Commits harmful actions that will result in predators roaming free and able to harm more kids*
*Feels proud of self*
Cops: sits back doing nothing but giving out speeding tickets for 5 over and harassing black people all day
Feels proud of self
I’m all ears when u wanna tell me about the police-conducted sting that has caught any predators.
They not doing this to help people, they doing this to try to get video content for youtube,twitch,ect to make money off it which is why they not contacting police first because would not be able to profit from it then since video footage be taken by police and would have to go to court before they could get it back since could effect the court case.
@@RL_ManicFX "and harassing black people all day" lol there it is
I just woke up to see this unrelated reply what
1: the predators hunting channel get the clout and money.
2:the viewer sick fantasy or schadenfreude is justified because the target is a creep.
3: the police doesn't need to do anything because the evidentiary rules is not met = less hassle work.
4 the creep is beaten but get away without any consenquences, finding another children.
what a win-win situation for everyone except for the children here but who cares??
fills up the court withj false cases on responsible adults checking to see if peopl are ok.
People seem to forget about the registry; like they absolutely get scott free after release from jail/prison
I'm in favor of longer prison sentences and no parole for cases involving minors; but remember they have to register and notify communities...
Really well said.
Muta: "Law enforcement agencies don't like vigilante justice because it gives predators - bad people - an out legally for whatever crime they could allegedly have done."
Millersville, TN police department: "Let's use civilians to lure child predators into a sting. Yeah, we know it's against the law, but we'll just lie and say it was cops on the stand." (that's paraphrased, but they are on audio recording admitting it. Yes, they did commit perjury too.)
Here's the thing: They're not slapping these guys around, then taking them to jail, they're just slapping them around. They're gambling on the fact that these guys are so guilty, that they're not going to press charges for assault, because the discovery period will expose their behavior and put it on record.
These predator hunters have given up on the legal system, and have jumped straight to the court of public opinion. The real question is, in the future, if a regular citizen catches them being predators and presses charges, will these videos get THAT case thrown out? Or will it get used as corroborating evidence? Or neither?
punching someone who isn't attacking you is actually evil itself..
i think these vigilantes that assault should be looked into and prosecuted, not just threatened. they should be prosecuted to the harshest extent and made a huge example for the rest of them to see because its clear they do not care about following rules. they are just thugs looking for their money and fame, even if it means causing some cases of potential predators to be thrown out.
I don't think most of the people who do this have their heart in the right place. I just think they want to physically hurt some people and they use this as an outlet.
Unironically Jidion, who has been an absolute savage and a very controversial figure in the past, is one of the predator “hunter” that actually inform and work with the police in their operations.
Him, Skeeter, and PP south east Texas are the best. I think PP is amazing, he just gets them to confess EVERYTHING with no violence. It's great for the police.
@@MrDrManPerson hehe "PP"
No he dosent he botched the edp sting
@@MrDrManPersonSkeeter is my favorite personally. Dude is professional, chill, always gets law enforcement the info they need, and is hilariously deadpan
@@markelscott100 years ago, they changed how they work and get convictions
That's what I been saying. I thought predator catchers wasn't supposed to put their hands on those. Unless if they have to defend themselves or whatever. The fact that almost everybody is doing predator catching now just makes me think. Do they actually care about the victims or are they're just doing it for views and clout?
Not to mention most of these so called predator hunters have some questionable cases against themselves in the past or even present
*Finally someone talking about the power hungry bounty hunter wannabe's that tell you they do it to help keep the community safe but then conduct themselves as if they're taking deep pleasure in power tripping*
it breaks my heart to see this video because my emotions want to root for these predator poaching channels. i also understand your point of view, and ultimately you are correct. getting justice requires a long and lengthy process of gathering data and it's really unfortunate that these people get to walk free for that long of a period. it's even worse when they get to walk free forever due to the mishandling of evidence.
Vigilantes in general are a nuisance and do nothing but make it harder to prosecute these predators. There are laws for a reason otherwise you'll get people playing hero at the expense of potentially giving these predators ammo to use in court.
its crazy how people dont see whats wrong with these channels because of their moral obligations being instead of being logical. Quit letting your emotions run you.
@@anonymous5401 i think there is a misunderstanding with my initial comment. mutahar is correct. what these clout chasing channels do is wrong. it allows the alleged predator to walk free forever due to the mishandling of evidence.
@@deredere-sama5995naw, they’re good for the community. That’s how a community is built. These guys are real men going out in their communities trying to stop bad people. What do you do for your community?…. Do you understand that for every person they do trick, that’s one less child that is violently assaulted. Doesn’t matter if police do something AFTER a child has been brutally assaulted in a vile way. The way y’all just underestimate the severity of that kind of assault is just crazy. If police actually did something, do you think these guys would be doing that? The guy I’m the video who does it, does it because his OWN was assaulted and got NO justice. Stop it man.
@@RandomNoob1124 but then these predators also get away Scott free, these streamers aren’t huge. They are small streamers, most predators that show up there will be forgotten about, and it is these guys fault
I totally understand what you’re saying, and I would agree with you IF the judicial system worked as intended. Instead we have a system of plea deals and just generally soft convictions in a lot of areas where criminals are CONVICTED and then let to walk free with little to no real repercussions. DAP from what I can tell originally didn’t start assaulting the predators they caught until recently specifically because of this issue. They even often say in their videos that they do this specifically because they know at most the penalty they will get for beating a predator to a pulp is maybe a $300 fine if they ever get convicted/charged. These people are the result of a flawed legal system and the predators are the result of a flawed society that does not allow them to seek treatment for the mental health issues that make them attracted to minors.
Yes because letting people take the law into their own hands totally won't end badly
They not doing this to help people, they doing this to try to get video content for youtube,twitch,ect to make money off it which is why they not contacting police first because would not be able to profit from it then since video footage be taken by police and would have to go to court before they could get it back since could effect the court case.
The only thing that works worse than our legal system is nothing nobodies with no authority doing nothing to help at all. Which is what this is. Actually it helps the person as know they know what to look for when doing their evil deeds and will be better at it rather than going away for decades or life. You aren't smart
@@GrievousReborn there are channels that exist that do it the right way. i prefer not letting clout chasers govern actual good deeds becoming taboo.
remove the bad apples and let the good ones continue doing good.
thats why i respect people like skeeter jean who does this type of content the right way
If he does things the RIGHT WAY then WHY ISN'T EDP445 BEHIND BARS?
Skeeter has the best production and is more professional than others yeah. He should honestly get his own show on Netflix doing this or something.
@@robynwolph3836that wasn't skeeter
Does he though? The few videos i've seen he's just showed up at someones house, filmed his content mocking them for a while then handed a folder over to some random police person at the end. I'm sure this isn't the same in every video but it feels like he's bodging the investigation for some quick content without ensuring they'll face consequences
@@robynwolph3836 That was Alex Rosen, genius. After that happened, he changed his approach and has actually gotten many sickos arrested since
It feels like these predator catching channels just want to be able to bully people without being criticized for it. I don’t think the predators are worthy of sympathy, but I don’t think these predator catchers actually care about protecting kids, they just care about getting the recognition for shaming and being tough with a predator.
I saw this video and ngl, kinda made me upset and disgusted. Like that dude definitely deserves to be punished, but not by some vigilantes who are just gonna beat the shit out of him? I don’t know, I’m mixed on this
How can I look this video up?
You can agree someone needs to be judged for their actions, and you can disagree with the methods people use to do so. They're not mutually exclusive, but some people will still dogpile and call you a defender anyway 🫠
So the guy is disgusting.. but the thing is you should actually be pissed with the youtuber. Cause he F up the whole thing. And sometimes thats it.. you can’t go after the guy anymore.. everything has to start square one. It’s pretty infuriating.. which is why you can tell cops lo look pretty pissed when they see vitality and people.. and they should be charged with assualt and false imprisonment of the “ pedo”.. cause most likely they can’t even charge the pedo anymore..
The irony of this video having a bot advertising CSAM in comment replies is astounding.
This is why Alex Rosen is the goat. Dude has now over 50 arrests and almost 1 in every state
PP are goated occasional racism asside
50 arrests is good but predator catchers indianapolis are better, they has over 150 arrests and 61 convictions.
Alex Rosen does a good job. He does however push a conservative political agenda. I will give him credit for mostly going after predators in “Red” areas. When he does catch a male offender going after boys, he usually says that this is a part of the community. He also sells a shirt of Bill Clinton with Epstein. Yet he supports Trump who also has Epstein ties. He actually defends Trump association with Epstein saying that Trump did not do anything wrong. Major hypocrite.
@@ishid.anfardedthats amazing. indiana actually uses the evidence collected it seems. PPSETX travels to every state regardless of if they will actually use the evidence (california, oregon etc. never uses it) so it skews their conviction stats
I imagine you're no different from a predator if you know your actions will allow them to run free. It's all for clout in a way that will result in more kids getting hurt. Even if it's to "teach them a lesson", it won't. You'll just make them prepare better next time. This is a dangerous and selfish game.