Cracking video mate. One question I do have is, are there not still tracks in the cutting from under Kirkdale station that runs round the north of Stanley Park? Surely that could be expanded or reopened, and that would just leave the walk through the park to get to Anfield. Pretty sure it's an old goods train line that connects up at Wavertree? I do tend to agree though that any rail link option will end up being too expensive and so not feasible 😢 Keep up the good work mate, YNWA
Thank you so much, just frustrating that possibly not much track could be needed yet will probably be very expensive to sort even for new owners but hopefully something can be planned - YnWa
Yes the track is all there. It's still used for goods and draks. It's the old bootle line and there used to be a station where it crosses townend avenue called Breck Road.
A brand new station at the junction of Cherry Lane and Utting Avenue seems the best option because there is already land there ready for a car park and station buildings and it's not too far away from the stadium. This would be on the line from Lime Street to Merseyrail's Southport line via Bootle and Seaforth. To make it viable, the footfall would have to be more than just match days but seeing as it's in a built up area, it seems like a good idea to me.
Love this!. The council are seriously looking at opening the Canada Dock Branch Line (the line nearest Anfield) to passengers as it's route goes through suburbs that would really benefit from a rail line, however the nearest point that route goes to the stadium is where it crosses over Utting Avenue. Tunnels and overhead railways are too costly and an overhead (monorail) would never get planning approval. What might be possible is a tram from any new "Anfield" station, up Utting Avenue and Arkles Lane right into the stadium, the tram tracks would be placed on the existing road and could carry on passed the stadium down to the Northern Line linking the stadium to both lines and be great for those communities improving transport links on none match days x
The tram up Utting AV sounds the most realistic. It's how you integrate with the rail network ? You don't want to shift hundreds of people from a train to the tram if it can be avoided
Thank you for your video, Grey Beard Media. I recently visited Bangkok and was impressed by its excellent elevated train network that runs above the roadways. This type of infrastructure is a great solution for busy, congested city streets and could serve as a catalyst for improving public transport connections throughout the city.
I would love the stadium to expend i hope it won't take to long as i have been in Liverpool twice but ever got to see our boys play at anfield because to get a ticket is difficult, but this gives me hope. Anyway thank you for the cool video of this things you don't get to see from the streets. Thx Greybeard!
The Cherry Lane/Utting Ave idea seems to be the only solution. Is that rail line still in use? I’m not sure where that line leads to? I think it carries on towards Clubmoor but there is also a railway bridge over the roundabout at Broadway. If the council could utilise the existing track as far as it will go with a regular train service to that area and then maybe have a seperate extension from Cherry Lane that will run up the central reservation at Utting Ave to the top of Arkles Lane on match days. It would also give the local Anfield and surrounding area a transport boost.
What we need to do to be realistic is to extend the Liverpool Overhead Railway and take in Anfield and maybe Everton and the income to finance this project will be mainly financed by the Foreign Tourists that will certainley flood into our City as long as Mr Steve Rotherham signs it off ?
Hi, The only feasible place for a new station near Anfield would be where the old Clarence hotel pub used to be on the corner of Utting Avenue and Cherry Lane. Google maps shows a temporary William Hill shop there. As you mentioned for that line, it stops before it reaches Kirkdale Station and there appears to be houses in that gap. Not sure if there is already a tunnel somewhere in that area. That will be the biggest problem…..mind the gap as they say! You wouldn’t expect crowds to be able to walk through the cemetery/crematorium via Stanley Park to the location were you stood near the abandoned line. They already have the Soccerbus to and from Sandhills station. Those suggesting more buses or trams obviously don’t know the roads around Anfield very well, they’d just add to the traffic queues, especially after the game.
Seems like UTD are getting Gov funds for work around the new stadium, roads, rail etc.. If they can get this kind of funding, I'm sure LFC can get similar funding to work the facilitation of a railway to Anfield and road works
I would forget about having a station adjacent to Anfield. It would be far too expensive and couldn't be justified as it would only be used to its full capacity for a couple of hours ever fortnight during the season. The best chance is with re=opening of the Canada Dock Branch to passenger services with a new station at Utting Avenue - around 15 minutes walk from the stadium. The line is currently only used for freight to and from the Port of Liverpool. It would probably need re-signalling to add the capacity for a frequent passenger service. You would also need to re=open former stations at Tuebrook and Spellow to justify a service. This has been proposed for years and would be very expensive but the easiest way to get rail access to Anfield.
IF the Kop was ever getting extended I would suggest it won't be over the road. The road will more than likely move out to the church side. There isn't much over there and doesn’t have to move much and can then rejoin further down. A natural curve on it can accommodate a bigger Kop
Another good job mate, Your videos are top notch. I was thinking, is there any possibility for a rail line coming from the north, less congested there. I find there is a rail line (unused; I see no platforms along it?) going from Edge Hill around the northeast and coming along Cherry Lane. What about a feeder station there that could be connecting even closer to Anfield, that wouldn't require even a mile of track to lay, skirting Stanley Park ... or am I totally "wild and crazy"? I guess going underground is out of the question (under Pinehurst Avenue)? As Cpt Mainwaring would say "beyond the realms of fantasy" I guess ... any way, keep up the brilliant work You are doing!
Anyone saying not to re-purpose the rail line on utting avenue and cherry lane as it would be too expensive is LYING, the council just want to be bought off as they was with Evertons new ground, the Clarence land has also been abandoned now for 10 years + any council with a brain would have put a compulsory purchase on this by now. Apparently, last year they considered putting "affordable housing" on the land but got blocked (wonder who did that LFC?). Anybody with serious contacts should be forcing the issue, as the line could run right up to the airport make it a joint endeavour as the airport falls under the council which they are forever expanding and would prove cost effective long term? Anybody with CURRENT knowledge of what is going on please let us know as it is WAY overdue, thanks for the video keep it up as it applies pressure for answers!
Trams to the nearest line would be the cheapest option . But no money . Unless we sell out sole musky or Arabs its not going to happen its frustrating as most liverpool fans know we are bigger than united sick of them saying they are biggest club the potential for our club is gigantic pity owners dont see it .good video well done
The line at the end of video is a line that connects the docks with Wavertree Junction (used to), around to Lime Street, there was a Merseytravel plan about 15 years a go to reopen this line with a number of stations being built along the line to reopen areas that are not severed by the rail network. So a new station down by were Taskers used to be could be built and a service could be run from Lime Street to Kirkdale
The line at the north of Standly park goes underneath the houses and under the Kirkdale station north underground of Bank Hall station and joins the track towards heading north. You would have to build a new station underground at Kirkdale for it and you would need to go under the Cementary and build a link to an underground station by Anfield road and then circle back following Utting Avenue and turning back east following Pinehurst Avenue, you could use the old technec of digging up the a tunnel and then coverning it again through that bit but you would need tunning under the cementary and you could get say the Boring company to drill that short bit under the cementary. It is plausable but it would not be cheap
Really depends on how the Kop can be redeveloped. Its not much shorter than the new AR end which I was surprised about. An expansion would be more important than winning the league in my opinion.
The club are building for the community, the primary school are getting a playground I believe they are building an old people’s home , offices and shops for local start up businesses and a health care centre all funded by Everton fc
Would the flexibilbus not be able to fix the transport situation ? That aerial shot of that Cemetary that is a huge cemetery would you ever consider doing vids of the graves of the great & the good of Liverpool? Great vid bro YNWA from Ireland 🇮🇪 🇿🇦🇵🇸✊🏻✊🏾
Thank You - The flexibus/Gliders wouldn't be enough unfortunately and could possibly get caught up in match day traffic so might help slightly but the rail link would still be needed, I have thought about the graves of the greats, I often walk past Tom Watsons Resting Place - YnWa
@@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey would you believe our longest serving Goal Keeper is buried just behind my garden wall Elisha Scott. Cemeteries and their history fascinate me . I think I’m what’s called a Stone-file .
@northredTAL didn't know this but yes what history Elisha Scott was for LFC was incredible, my stone is in the Elisha Scott Tribute Bench Area By The Main Stand
So is there any guideline from government or fa or the safety advisory group that says a station must come right up to the ground? Thinking of Wembley and the tube stations ones 10 minutes and others 15 minutes away.. Can’t find anything online about it..
@@ste2442well it’s close but not next to.. It’s a fair old walk down Wembley way.. All three stations are a good 10 minute walk Even longer after an event with the congestion
@@summerpool I’ve worked on track for months at Wembley stadium station and been the ground a few times with the redmen , it’s about as close you can get to Wembley stadium unless you laid a branch line into the players entrance
I'm a big liverpool supporter now got a i dea instead of going over ground how bout going underground for the mile or so to anfield and have a exit coming out at stanely park at a part😅 of it ,it doesn't have to be to obvious and blended it in to the park area 😊 just a thought
Hello greybeard on a recent holiday to Thailand the station closest to Stanley park is the best what you have not considered is a sky train from the station to the ground . Bangkok has a sky train going around 8 /10 miles .lifts from the station to the sky train mark from cradley heath Birmingham
I don't need to be told because I'm already aware it's nuts... but if future owners wanted to make a "statement", why not a touristy monorail from one of the existing stations that need linking. Could be operating constantly on match days etc, and every now and again other times for stadium access, but it would negate some of the logistical issues (while creating a whole host of others obviously!) But if it was a "money is no issue" sort fo owner I doubt that this would need to be an LFC project so it could be "independently" financed. Would be a heck of a sight :D
Man Utd will make a 100,000 new stadium. Newcastle will make a 70,000 new stadium. Arsenal will expand Emirates to 80,000. SKD and The Kop are small and out of date. LFC needs make Anfield a 77,000 stadium, expanding SKD with 10,000 more and The Kop with 6,000 more
To be honest lad, you got more chance linking Everton's new stadium up to Sandhills via an overhead railway and then continue it up to Anfield, it would have to be Maglev for noise reduction, but it's all just pipe dreams. If it was possible in any slightest way at all then it would have to start on Regent Road outside Bramley Moore Dock and along to Sanden Way, cut over the top of the trading estate there and joining onto Sandhills Lane at the junction of Derby Road and up to Sandhills, and then from Sandhills it could continue up to the top of Sandhills Lane and cutting the corner of Sandhills Lane and Commercial Road just after the Liverpool/Leeds Canal and then on up Lambeth Road all the way to Smith Road cutting across Smith Road and over the top of the five-a-side pitches there, and then on up Everton Valley and along Walton Breck Road. It would probably be easier, much cheaper, less inconvenient to traffic flow when it comes to constructing it all, and totally feasible and practicable, but the one problem there would be is all of the residents that will complain about either the reduction of light to their properties or the ugliness of their view from their windows, also privacy with passengers looking into their windows, but if all of those issues could be overcome then it could be made even more cheaper all round if cheaper both Everton and Liverpool invest in it all as a business so that both clubs profit from the fares, and if Liverpool City Council were to contribute then they would even earn a cut of the profits as a business partner. Like you said, visitors could easily land at Lime Street, take the Wirral Line to Central and swap to the Northern Line to Sandhills and then change there for the overhead to both grounds, or direct to Sandhills from the Airport and again change there for the overhead to both grounds, like I said, it's a pipe dream and that's all it will ever be, but if it were possible then to me this is the only reasonable way around it.
Only realistic train route is using Canada Dock Branch line but thats a freight line. Headbolt Lane station in Kirkby on an existing passenger train line cost £80M - its not happening in the lifetime of someone born today particularly with Everton moving out of Goodison there's even less of a business case.
Certainly looking that ways, I'm 50 so probably not in my life time, unless over head railways are going to happen again and that also will be millions up on millions
Unfortunately, the criminals in charge of the Liverpool City Council would never help fund something like this as any money they receive goes into their own crooked pockets. Boss vid though, mate. YNWA. 👍👍👍
I think a tram system would be the best option because they could use existing roads . New railway would never happen unfortunately! What’s more annoying is the government and Manchester City council have put plans into helping Man U build their new ground and infrastructure and have various high profile celebrities helping their course 😡😤
Without running a new overhead track from the town centre, I think there is too much housing now for anything else to be feasible. But Everton will be on the docks from next season, so the worry of little financial reward may put investors off. There is nothing in the area between Broad Green across to Fazakerley, and less options now 🙃
Yeah it did look way to much in built up areas main stand side so Overhead Option could be only option moving forward but how much needed will also depend on costs
@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey No I meant the city in general. It's got no rail service from Kirkdale right over the other side to Edge hill, as far as football ground access is concerned. Outside fans coming in used to think Anfield would be round the corner from Lime st, and found only a football special bus from St. John's gardens challenging, especially the more recent English club fans. An over head shuttle from the docks could work, passing Lime street, but then it's a very steep angle out of the city to Anfield, whichever direction they try 🙃
When you say to build it to 65'000 that's only 4k more from the current capacity.That's absolute foolishness to go through that hustle,as you detailed it, for such an incremental increase.If the goal is 85-90'000k as it should be,now we have a different conversation.That's my 2 cents on it
No if they reopened the Canada dock line to passengers which is regularly brought up, Rotherham perodically mentions it, been quiet last couple of years, though it would be for everyday,
There is no chance of buying all those houses and the hundreds of millions it will cost to put lines and stations in... And the disruption.... We can't do any more with Anfield if we're realistic!!!
Two small streets of housing, they’re only cheap houses they could easily be bought up, Liverpool isn’t London. I’m pretty sure Liverpool still own some of them, they owned them all at one point.
They own the first 4 on Skerries Road. The rest are privately owned. They won't be selling I can assure you. My mate lives there. No one will move unless they are offered serious dough. But it would take years and years as everyone knows that sitting tight and playing the waiting game will get you more money. I spoke to the stadium manager a few years ago, he said 61,000 is where it will finish and there are no plans whatsoever to expand the SKD stand or the Kop. We were the most successful team in the country with a capacity of 45,000. I think we will be ok as Anfield is now TBH. They would only price new seats out of the reach of locals and it would just become even more of a Disneyland of tourists that don't respect or care to understand the traditions of our great football club.
@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey It is just an observation. Investment has to come from somewhere unless you have owners like ManCity who actually invest in the city.
@Waleed-b07 nothing will get done with current owners now, like I said in vid we need bigger richer owners who can push the club to next level and doubt we will see anymore done for years to come unfortunately
@Shroft112 If the city council benefits, then the community benefits. I am shocked to hear you give the Liverpool City Council a free pass because their primary role is to provide essential services to the citizens, manage local development, and work to improve quality of life for its residents within the Liverpool area. I agree their service delivery sucks but surely, with major investment, the most likely outcome is an improved service delivery. According to you, there should be no investment in the Liverpool area because the city council will benefit. Or Is this a failed attempt to defend the ownership? We both know the owners do not invest or take money out of LiverpoolFC.
Hi , just wondered where you stand on the fact that Man Utd who have the larger capacity ground probably around 76000 and I always feel that we should aim to get Anfield larger than that. If we were able to have the Kop rebuilt so that it straddles Walton Breck Road and obviously a new Sir Kenny Dalglish stand would usurp that figure I guess but obviously this will take a long time. It just annoys me that Old Trafford has the bigger capacity
Would love to have the kop rebuilt or just bigger in some ways but until a way is found in getting a better transport network in place I feel we will be waiting a long time while Man United are talking about a brand new stadium build
@ yeah I think you’re spot on, it’s not going to be a quick fix regarding the railways set up. It’s just crazy that our world famous Kop is now the smallest stand we have. Definitely needs to be at least 20000 capacity and like Dortmunds yellow wall for intimidation.
As mentioned by few already the Canada dock line is the only solution and is often mentioned, Rotherham often speaks about it. You could have stops on Utting Avenue, Walton Lane and Maiden Lane for the matchdays, Tuebrook is too far to walk I think. The line is there, you just need to sort platforms/stations/walkways and links at both ends. It would be of course open to the public 7 days a week, which would help with costs. The next close(you didn't mention) North Liverpool link(passes through Broadway and Cherry Lane) has never been mentioned, as for Kirkdale/Sandhill links its fantasy I'm afraid, more chance linking a line to the moon!
You never showed EVERTONS BRAMLEY MOOR ‘new build ground but concentrated on LFC -ground Utting AVENUE - CHERRYLANE is closest ril link so maybe think of that as the cheapest option it’s only a short walk for everyone -
@rewind12354 it has to as we will be massively stuck behind our rivals for years or decades to come so only under new owners with more ambition and money 💰
Cracking video mate. One question I do have is, are there not still tracks in the cutting from under Kirkdale station that runs round the north of Stanley Park? Surely that could be expanded or reopened, and that would just leave the walk through the park to get to Anfield. Pretty sure it's an old goods train line that connects up at Wavertree?
I do tend to agree though that any rail link option will end up being too expensive and so not feasible 😢
Keep up the good work mate, YNWA
Haha I've just posted this before you've got to this option!! Ignore me 😂😂
Thank you so much, just frustrating that possibly not much track could be needed yet will probably be very expensive to sort even for new owners but hopefully something can be planned - YnWa
Yes the track is all there. It's still used for goods and draks. It's the old bootle line and there used to be a station where it crosses townend avenue called Breck Road.
Drax sorry
The track actually already has a link to the Southport line in-between Bank Hall Station and Bootle Oriel Road.
A brand new station at the junction of Cherry Lane and Utting Avenue seems the best option because there is already land there ready for a car park and station buildings and it's not too far away from the stadium. This would be on the line from Lime Street to Merseyrail's Southport line via Bootle and Seaforth. To make it viable, the footfall would have to be more than just match days but seeing as it's in a built up area, it seems like a good idea to me.
Love this!. The council are seriously looking at opening the Canada Dock Branch Line (the line nearest Anfield) to passengers as it's route goes through suburbs that would really benefit from a rail line, however the nearest point that route goes to the stadium is where it crosses over Utting Avenue. Tunnels and overhead railways are too costly and an overhead (monorail) would never get planning approval. What might be possible is a tram from any new "Anfield" station, up Utting Avenue and Arkles Lane right into the stadium, the tram tracks would be placed on the existing road and could carry on passed the stadium down to the Northern Line linking the stadium to both lines and be great for those communities improving transport links on none match days x
Thank you so much this is something more I'd love to look into more but overhead, monorail certainly will cost many millions
The tram up Utting AV sounds the most realistic. It's how you integrate with the rail network ? You don't want to shift hundreds of people from a train to the tram if it can be avoided
This has been a rumour for about a decade with no serious movement on it.
There's already been talk of electrifying that line just for the goods trains, so if they did that, it would save a load of money.
Great video, thank you. Please do keep us LFC fans updated YNWA
Thank you so much, certainly will - YnWa
Unbelievable footage, brilliant filming ! I have watched it twice.
Thank you so much 👍
Great video mate....as always
Thank you so much 👍
Thank you for your video, Grey Beard Media. I recently visited Bangkok and was impressed by its excellent elevated train network that runs above the roadways. This type of infrastructure is a great solution for busy, congested city streets and could serve as a catalyst for improving public transport connections throughout the city.
You're welcome 👍 thank you
I would love the stadium to expend i hope it won't take to long as i have been in Liverpool twice but ever got to see our boys play at anfield because to get a ticket is difficult, but this gives me hope. Anyway thank you for the cool video of this things you don't get to see from the streets. Thx Greybeard!
You're welcome and thank you 👍
The Cherry Lane/Utting Ave idea seems to be the only solution. Is that rail line still in use? I’m not sure where that line leads to? I think it carries on towards Clubmoor but there is also a railway bridge over the roundabout at Broadway. If the council could utilise the existing track as far as it will go with a regular train service to that area and then maybe have a seperate extension from Cherry Lane that will run up the central reservation at Utting Ave to the top of Arkles Lane on match days. It would also give the local Anfield and surrounding area a transport boost.
What we need to do to be realistic is to extend the Liverpool Overhead Railway and take in Anfield and maybe Everton and the income to finance this project will be mainly financed by the Foreign Tourists that will certainley flood into our City as long as Mr Steve Rotherham signs it off ?
Extend something that's no longer there ?
I thought the old dockers umbrella had long gone, well it has for sure, so what overhead railway does Liverpool still have that could be extended?
What overhead railway? Do you mean Merseyrail Northern line?
Hi, The only feasible place for a new station near Anfield would be where the old Clarence hotel pub used to be on the corner of Utting Avenue and Cherry Lane. Google maps shows a temporary William Hill shop there. As you mentioned for that line, it stops before it reaches Kirkdale Station and there appears to be houses in that gap. Not sure if there is already a tunnel somewhere in that area. That will be the biggest problem…..mind the gap as they say! You wouldn’t expect crowds to be able to walk through the cemetery/crematorium via Stanley Park to the location were you stood near the abandoned line. They already have the Soccerbus to and from Sandhills station. Those suggesting more buses or trams obviously don’t know the roads around Anfield very well, they’d just add to the traffic queues, especially after the game.
Seems like UTD are getting Gov funds for work around the new stadium, roads, rail etc.. If they can get this kind of funding, I'm sure LFC can get similar funding to work the facilitation of a railway to Anfield and road works
I would forget about having a station adjacent to Anfield. It would be far too expensive and couldn't be justified as it would only be used to its full capacity for a couple of hours ever fortnight during the season.
The best chance is with re=opening of the Canada Dock Branch to passenger services with a new station at Utting Avenue - around 15 minutes walk from the stadium.
The line is currently only used for freight to and from the Port of Liverpool. It would probably need re-signalling to add the capacity for a frequent passenger service. You would also need to re=open former stations at Tuebrook and Spellow to justify a service.
This has been proposed for years and would be very expensive but the easiest way to get rail access to Anfield.
Yes. I would like to take the train all the way from Oslo🎉 YNWA!
The track around Stanley Park already has a junction onto the Southport line in between Bank Hall Station and Bootle Oriel Road Station.
A station on the footprint of the old anfield station by Walton lane police station . Job done
IF the Kop was ever getting extended I would suggest it won't be over the road. The road will more than likely move out to the church side. There isn't much over there and doesn’t have to move much and can then rejoin further down. A natural curve on it can accommodate a bigger Kop
Maybe do cable cars from Norway
Another good job mate, Your videos are top notch. I was thinking, is there any possibility for a rail line coming from the north, less congested there. I find there is a rail line (unused; I see no platforms along it?) going from Edge Hill around the northeast and coming along Cherry Lane. What about a feeder station there that could be connecting even closer to Anfield, that wouldn't require even a mile of track to lay, skirting Stanley Park ... or am I totally "wild and crazy"? I guess going underground is out of the question (under Pinehurst Avenue)? As Cpt Mainwaring would say "beyond the realms of fantasy" I guess ... any way, keep up the brilliant work You are doing!
Thank you so much, think only ways would be overhead railway but I deffo look into options north aswell - YnWa
Great video as usual GB.
Thank you so much 👍
Anyone saying not to re-purpose the rail line on utting avenue and cherry lane as it would be too expensive is LYING, the council just want to be bought off as they was with Evertons new ground, the Clarence land has also been abandoned now for 10 years + any council with a brain would have put a compulsory purchase on this by now. Apparently, last year they considered putting "affordable housing" on the land but got blocked (wonder who did that LFC?). Anybody with serious contacts should be forcing the issue, as the line could run right up to the airport make it a joint endeavour as the airport falls under the council which they are forever expanding and would prove cost effective long term? Anybody with CURRENT knowledge of what is going on please let us know as it is WAY overdue, thanks for the video keep it up as it applies pressure for answers!
Trams to the nearest line would be the cheapest option . But no money . Unless we sell out sole musky or Arabs its not going to happen its frustrating as most liverpool fans know we are bigger than united sick of them saying they are biggest club the potential for our club is gigantic pity owners dont see it .good video well done
The line at the end of video is a line that connects the docks with Wavertree Junction (used to), around to Lime Street, there was a Merseytravel plan about 15 years a go to reopen this line with a number of stations being built along the line to reopen areas that are not severed by the rail network. So a new station down by were Taskers used to be could be built and a service could be run from Lime Street to Kirkdale
Maybe a Tunnel but not just for Anfield, it would have to go somewhere after that.
The line at the north of Standly park goes underneath the houses and under the Kirkdale station north underground of Bank Hall station and joins the track towards heading north. You would have to build a new station underground at Kirkdale for it and you would need to go under the Cementary and build a link to an underground station by Anfield road and then circle back following Utting Avenue and turning back east following Pinehurst Avenue, you could use the old technec of digging up the a tunnel and then coverning it again through that bit but you would need tunning under the cementary and you could get say the Boring company to drill that short bit under the cementary. It is plausable but it would not be cheap
Really depends on how the Kop can be redeveloped. Its not much shorter than the new AR end which I was surprised about. An expansion would be more important than winning the league in my opinion.
Thanks for taking time to bring us fans your work mate👏👏. Does anyone know what's happening to goodison when they knock it down ?
Thank you so much 👍
The club are building for the community, the primary school are getting a playground I believe they are building an old people’s home , offices and shops for local start up businesses and a health care centre all funded by Everton fc
Would the flexibilbus not be able to fix the transport situation ? That aerial shot of that Cemetary that is a huge cemetery would you ever consider doing vids of the graves of the great & the good of Liverpool? Great vid bro YNWA from Ireland 🇮🇪 🇿🇦🇵🇸✊🏻✊🏾
Thank You - The flexibus/Gliders wouldn't be enough unfortunately and could possibly get caught up in match day traffic so might help slightly but the rail link would still be needed, I have thought about the graves of the greats, I often walk past Tom Watsons Resting Place - YnWa
@@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey would you believe our longest serving Goal Keeper is buried just behind my garden wall Elisha Scott. Cemeteries and their history fascinate me . I think I’m what’s called a Stone-file .
@northredTAL didn't know this but yes what history Elisha Scott was for LFC was incredible, my stone is in the Elisha Scott Tribute Bench Area By The Main Stand
So is there any guideline from government or fa or the safety advisory group that says a station must come right up to the ground?
Thinking of Wembley and the tube stations ones 10 minutes and others 15 minutes away..
Can’t find anything online about it..
I been looking also and haven't found so I wouldn't think it needs to be right upto the ground
Wembley stadium station is next to the ground
@@ste2442well it’s close but not next to..
It’s a fair old walk down Wembley way..
All three stations are a good 10 minute walk
Even longer after an event with the congestion
@@summerpool I’ve worked on track for months at Wembley stadium station and been the ground a few times with the redmen , it’s about as close you can get to Wembley stadium unless you laid a branch line into the players entrance
@@ste2442Wembley park is 8 minutes walk
North Wembley is about 35
I'm a big liverpool supporter now got a i dea instead of going over ground how bout going underground for the mile or so to anfield and have a exit coming out at stanely park at a part😅 of it ,it doesn't have to be to obvious and blended it in to the park area 😊 just a thought
Over head rail service or underground could be the only ways forward
Hello greybeard on a recent holiday to Thailand the station closest to Stanley park is the best what you have not considered is a sky train from the station to the ground . Bangkok has a sky train going around 8 /10 miles .lifts from the station to the sky train mark from cradley heath Birmingham
I agree, think it would be only ways forward to have overhead rail line but will put together another vid on this deffo
I don't need to be told because I'm already aware it's nuts... but if future owners wanted to make a "statement", why not a touristy monorail from one of the existing stations that need linking. Could be operating constantly on match days etc, and every now and again other times for stadium access, but it would negate some of the logistical issues (while creating a whole host of others obviously!) But if it was a "money is no issue" sort fo owner I doubt that this would need to be an LFC project so it could be "independently" financed. Would be a heck of a sight :D
Man Utd will make a 100,000 new stadium. Newcastle will make a 70,000 new stadium. Arsenal will expand Emirates to 80,000. SKD and The Kop are small and out of date. LFC needs make Anfield a 77,000 stadium, expanding SKD with 10,000 more and The Kop with 6,000 more
To be honest lad, you got more chance linking Everton's new stadium up to Sandhills via an overhead railway and then continue it up to Anfield, it would have to be Maglev for noise reduction, but it's all just pipe dreams.
If it was possible in any slightest way at all then it would have to start on Regent Road outside Bramley Moore Dock and along to Sanden Way, cut over the top of the trading estate there and joining onto Sandhills Lane at the junction of Derby Road and up to Sandhills, and then from Sandhills it could continue up to the top of Sandhills Lane and cutting the corner of Sandhills Lane and Commercial Road just after the Liverpool/Leeds Canal and then on up Lambeth Road all the way to Smith Road cutting across Smith Road and over the top of the five-a-side pitches there, and then on up Everton Valley and along Walton Breck Road.
It would probably be easier, much cheaper, less inconvenient to traffic flow when it comes to constructing it all, and totally feasible and practicable, but the one problem there would be is all of the residents that will complain about either the reduction of light to their properties or the ugliness of their view from their windows, also privacy with passengers looking into their windows, but if all of those issues could be overcome then it could be made even more cheaper all round if cheaper both Everton and Liverpool invest in it all as a business so that both clubs profit from the fares, and if Liverpool City Council were to contribute then they would even earn a cut of the profits as a business partner.
Like you said, visitors could easily land at Lime Street, take the Wirral Line to Central and swap to the Northern Line to Sandhills and then change there for the overhead to both grounds, or direct to Sandhills from the Airport and again change there for the overhead to both grounds, like I said, it's a pipe dream and that's all it will ever be, but if it were possible then to me this is the only reasonable way around it.
So many more options so will deffo try and do more vids on this
Only realistic train route is using Canada Dock Branch line but thats a freight line. Headbolt Lane station in Kirkby on an existing passenger train line cost £80M - its not happening in the lifetime of someone born today particularly with Everton moving out of Goodison there's even less of a business case.
Certainly looking that ways, I'm 50 so probably not in my life time, unless over head railways are going to happen again and that also will be millions up on millions
They all walk home at half time anyway, we'd be the frequent trade club that'd end up benefiting from it most
Unfortunately, the criminals in charge of the Liverpool City Council would never help fund something like this as any money they receive goes into their own crooked pockets. Boss vid though, mate. YNWA. 👍👍👍
I agree and only bigger richer owners could do something but we could be stuck in limbo for years unfortunately - Thank You So Much - YnWa
I think a tram system would be the best option because they could use existing roads . New railway would never happen unfortunately! What’s more annoying is the government and Manchester City council have put plans into helping Man U build their new ground and infrastructure and have various high profile celebrities helping their course 😡😤
Without running a new overhead track from the town centre, I think there is too much housing now for anything else to be feasible. But Everton will be on the docks from next season, so the worry of little financial reward may put investors off. There is nothing in the area between Broad Green across to Fazakerley, and less options now 🙃
Yeah it did look way to much in built up areas main stand side so Overhead Option could be only option moving forward but how much needed will also depend on costs
@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey No I meant the city in general. It's got no rail service from Kirkdale right over the other side to Edge hill, as far as football ground access is concerned. Outside fans coming in used to think Anfield would be round the corner from Lime st, and found only a football special bus from St. John's gardens challenging, especially the more recent English club fans. An over head shuttle from the docks could work, passing Lime street, but then it's a very steep angle out of the city to Anfield, whichever direction they try 🙃
Why this on going guessing … ?? … there is a plan … I believe … sure LFC will release details when the time is right … 👏👏👏
Just Refurb the Kop. Take Anfield to 65k
When you say to build it to 65'000 that's only 4k more from the current
capacity.That's absolute foolishness to go through that hustle,as you detailed it, for
such an incremental increase.If the goal is 85-90'000k as it should be,now we have
a different conversation.That's my 2 cents on it
Didn't say build to 65 000, that's the trigger point for the rail link as i mentioned. We all would love an 85 to 90 000
Would a monorail or an underground link be worth considering?
Everything is worth considering deffo for ambitious new owners as nothing more will happen under current owners
I prefer the Liverpool Overhead Railway option myself 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
It will only be used once a fortnight, so is it worth it?.
No if they reopened the Canada dock line to passengers which is regularly brought up, Rotherham perodically mentions it, been quiet last couple of years, though it would be for everyday,
There is no chance of buying all those houses and the hundreds of millions it will cost to put lines and stations in... And the disruption.... We can't do any more with Anfield if we're realistic!!!
Two small streets of housing, they’re only cheap houses they could easily be bought up, Liverpool isn’t London. I’m pretty sure Liverpool still own some of them, they owned them all at one point.
They own the first 4 on Skerries Road. The rest are privately owned. They won't be selling I can assure you. My mate lives there. No one will move unless they are offered serious dough. But it would take years and years as everyone knows that sitting tight and playing the waiting game will get you more money. I spoke to the stadium manager a few years ago, he said 61,000 is where it will finish and there are no plans whatsoever to expand the SKD stand or the Kop. We were the most successful team in the country with a capacity of 45,000. I think we will be ok as Anfield is now TBH. They would only price new seats out of the reach of locals and it would just become even more of a Disneyland of tourists that don't respect or care to understand the traditions of our great football club.
FSG is not investing in the city infrastructure in that way.
Never said they did
@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey It is just an observation. Investment has to come from somewhere unless you have owners like ManCity who actually invest in the city.
@Waleed-b07 nothing will get done with current owners now, like I said in vid we need bigger richer owners who can push the club to next level and doubt we will see anymore done for years to come unfortunately
Nor should they, the city Council benefit from the infrastructure changes and the money brought into the local economy
@Shroft112 If the city council benefits, then the community benefits.
I am shocked to hear you give the Liverpool City Council a free pass because their primary role is to provide essential services to the citizens, manage local development, and work to improve quality of life for its residents within the Liverpool area.
I agree their service delivery sucks but surely, with major investment, the most likely outcome is an improved service delivery.
According to you, there should be no investment in the Liverpool area because the city council will benefit.
Or
Is this a failed attempt to defend the ownership? We both know the owners do not invest or take money out of LiverpoolFC.
Go underground?
Hi , just wondered where you stand on the fact that Man Utd who have the larger capacity ground probably around 76000 and I always feel that we should aim to get Anfield larger than that. If we were able to have the Kop rebuilt so that it straddles Walton Breck Road and obviously a new Sir Kenny Dalglish stand would usurp that figure I guess but obviously this will take a long time. It just annoys me that Old Trafford has the bigger capacity
Would love to have the kop rebuilt or just bigger in some ways but until a way is found in getting a better transport network in place I feel we will be waiting a long time while Man United are talking about a brand new stadium build
@ yeah I think you’re spot on, it’s not going to be a quick fix regarding the railways set up. It’s just crazy that our world famous Kop is now the smallest stand we have. Definitely needs to be at least 20000 capacity and like Dortmunds yellow wall for intimidation.
Old Trafford getting done soon and will be 100k.
As mentioned by few already the Canada dock line is the only solution and is often mentioned, Rotherham often speaks about it. You could have stops on Utting Avenue, Walton Lane and Maiden Lane for the matchdays, Tuebrook is too far to walk I think. The line is there, you just need to sort platforms/stations/walkways and links at both ends. It would be of course open to the public 7 days a week, which would help with costs. The next close(you didn't mention) North Liverpool link(passes through Broadway and Cherry Lane) has never been mentioned, as for Kirkdale/Sandhill links its fantasy I'm afraid, more chance linking a line to the moon!
It doesn’t have to be a train line, you can put extra buses on.
You never showed EVERTONS BRAMLEY MOOR ‘new build ground but concentrated on LFC -ground Utting AVENUE - CHERRYLANE is closest ril link so maybe think of that as the cheapest option it’s only a short walk for everyone -
There is no future expansion
That's for you to believe, this club can't be stuck in limbo for ever 👍
The ground will expand eventually some way or another.
@rewind12354 it has to as we will be massively stuck behind our rivals for years or decades to come so only under new owners with more ambition and money 💰
@@Robert13732 not in our lifetime to many logistics plus the cost of moving bussiness,buying property to expand, re housing people,transport issues
New 100k stadium anywhere in Liverpool.
Otherwise the mancs will own u.