Building a MicroATX IBM Clone: The NuXT Turbo PC
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ย. 2024
- Assembling my own custom IBM PC XT clone! The Monotech NuXT is an Intel 8088 motherboard with 640K RAM, XT-CF card interface, SVGA graphics and much more. A completely functional Turbo XT system in a MicroATX form factor, including Adlib sound and a 5.25" 360k floppy drive.
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Putting a 5 1/4" drive in a modern case is the most LGR thing you can do to a case.
No that would be covering it in wood grain ;)
Should be an 8'' Floppy for the real IBM experience.....
Anthony Sibley Wasn't the 8" option in some old floppy controller drivers, using the standard PC FDC and both bays on the original PC for the larger width and/or the large external floppy connector on the back of the FDC card.
And it looks beautiful.
That case is really sexy and simple. I like it
its something i wish was in all cases that have the room. i have many uses for CD/DVD drives the only reason i don't use them more is the lack of availability in modern cases. also 3.5 in drive bay for flash media.
I dunno if anyone has said this, but you can call this machine a NuXT Cube.
Perfect.
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Been buying parts from this guy for over a year now! His quality is top notch, and hes a great guy to talk to and ask questions. I'm glad hes getting some press. He told me about this board being in the works at the start or the year and I was so excited. Great video as always Clint, thank you sir!!@
JD is indeed awesome 👍
LGR so how can i buy parts from you
@@LGR One of the youtube channels i randomly check out, World of Longplays, just recently did a playthrough of Codename: Iceman. Watching it reminded me of you talking about the game in this video and one other i can't think of at the moment.
Now if only they made something like this for 486's.
DMP's Vortex?? (Dunno the details ....)
Duke Nukem 3D...what else?
yes or Pentium classics
The ZFx86 sounds perfect for this use.
I have a 386 I'd just love to find a home for but boards aren't cheap
The intro screen of the game 688 Attack Sub shows my boat, SSN 688 Los Angeles, breeching from a test emergency blow during sea trials. I am a Plank Owner of the 688. Many fond memories.
Great build video. I appreciate that you are keeping old computer tech alive. To understand the future we need to understand the past. Keep it alive.
Now all we need is someone to remake some 14 inch CRTs with new components.
I wondered the other day whether curved oled display technology might not be able to offer an interesting crt-like look, without the bulk or inconvenience.
@@TheTurnipKing Really low-res OLED might capture some of that no-backlight experience particularly in text mode. But since CRTs don't actually really have pixels, they can do different resolutions and DOS-era stuff really took advantage of that. The illusion would be ruined running it at a different resolution than native.
@@_me-ta-_3780 so, you always run it at native and upscale?
Currently no new tubes are being made. I don't know if there are factories that even have the machinery to make new tubes left.
FED displays might be a middle ground compromise. Crt like performance but thinner form factor. But no one really makes those either.
dude, the best part of this is that startup sound.
sounded like a Simon
NOOT NOOT They should have had an alternative sound if detecting a non-Intel 8088 (NEC, AMD, SIS etc.)... . Of cause a gate-identical clone would detect as an original.
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@@johnfrancisdoe1563 it could have detected the Intel co-prosesser.
😍 you just plugged in like 4 cables and turned on a custom xt... This thing is amazing
I'd love to see something like this for a 486 or early Pentium. The XT is a bit too primitive for my tastes, though.
Same.
Totally agree. 486 is my era. I still have all my original 486 ISA cards in a box somewhere.
_DOOM E1M1 music intensifies_
Concur
XT couldn't really do very much, could it. A 386 running Windows 3.0 would seem to be the absolute minimum spec to compare to a modern computer. Maybe a Pentium 2 running Win98 as well, in the same case?
I wish there was a similar "new" mobo for my old 486 DX2 -50...
Oh man, I would kill to have a new 486 or early Pentium motherboard in ITX or mATX size. Would be perfect for hardware based DOS gaming machine that does not get in your way.
@@MaaZeus i imagine that being next
Actually, in the 90s I would go trash picking for a 386 so I could try out Linux. I found 286s and 8086s, an eye-opening DEC Rainbow, laser 128, but it wasn't until I got a PowerPC iBook that I had my personal Linux: oh the irony! So anyways, later there was an experimental ucLinux and I eventually discovered Minix. Still, a Linus Torvolds replica original 386 machine would have a strong appeal. IDK if it would be much of a gamer, but still MY idea of retro-computing.
Back in the 90s, I threw away so many computer parts that still worked just because they were obsolete. We didn’t even recycle. In the trash they went. While I never had anything too expensive or sought after today, I still wish I had some of those parts.
I wonder how they sourced some of the chips, especially the Trident chip made in 1994.
Fascinating little board :)
China
Scrap parts i bet.
@@viscountalpha Ghana would probably be a great place to get some
All came from china and ebay, i talked with the designer of the board
Stuff like the VGA chipset is what an FPGA would make sense for.
This is beautiful. I love it how they actually recreate old technology for nostalgia and compatibility sake. It's kinda remaking Vacuum tubing.
This has to be one of your most fun videos to watch 👍 It's awesome to see that there's a market for old school computers like these. Simplicity at times is better and it's nostalgic! ❤️
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I really like these videos where you tackle more non-mainstream things. Stuff that either wouldn't have been as well-known to people of the day or enthusiast-grade hardware like this that only connoisseurs can really appreciate.
"It's just fine"
LGR, 2019
Is it just fine? xD
That case layout is very similar to my first PC case, the Aerocool DS Cube. Was a great case, nightmare to run cables in though.
I'd like to see someone put this PC next to a sleeper build like Dr Moddenstein's i7 IBM Aptiva
Well, the recommended video I got is th-cam.com/video/WIRDr8qs_Fw/w-d-xo.html so I guess TH-cam agrees with you :D
My rig is in the black/green version of this case, it's an absolute beauty to build in, but it does get a bit cramped with an optical drive and 3.5 I/O expansion and a tri-fanned RX 480. Pro tip for this case, there's 2 screws on the top rear corner of the case under the side panels, remove those and you can pop the top & front open like a semi truck.
No IO Shield my OCD is tingling if you take a photo of the back I would design one and 3D print it in White or Black and send it to you.
I printed an I/O shield for a motherboard I picked up, and it came out really nice. See Thingiverse thing:2883648. Definitely would recommend it for this, for lack of access to all the stamping machinery to make a metal one ;)
@@FalconFour very good I made other backplates and other upgrades 3d printed for PCs
@@AstroKitty16 Sounds like you're OCD about people using the term "OCD" figuratively.
They come with I/O shields now. Should have more stock within a month.
He nit picks the case manufacturer in the video, while simultaneously pointing out that the motherboard did not come with one. Of course the motherboard manufacturer should be responsible for the IO shield, case manufacturers can't possibly account for the wide variety of motherboard IO out there.
The reverse sleeper. I'm liking it
Just before you get to the peel the cellophane section (10:10), pause the video, and set the speed of the video playback to .25. Switch it back once you're done. Not perfect, but it helps.
MVP right here
@@anotheruser9876 Cinemax After Dark Edition...lol.
The technology has come so far it's actually mind blowing
That flash rom is impressive. Even modern PC's need a battery to remember the bios settings.
One of the Asus laptops i took apart recently (saying that because i don't remember which model it was) didn't have a Bios battery (no provision for one either, so not like they just didn't put it on).
So there's still application for chargeless memory keeping.
That's by design. If your bios ever gets corrupted or you get locked out from a bad setting or forgotten password you'd be fucked if you couldn't just unplug the cmos and let it reset.
most PCs/laptops don't use the battery to store settings but for the RTC. Settings are stored in SPI flash now, which is non-volatile.
A lot of Dell Latitude laptops save their BIOS config in Flash rom
andrew342003 Every UEFI BIOS contains a feature to store significant data amounts in flash memory variables. The only data stored in battery ram in recent PCs are a few AT-compatibility variables and maybe a "self destruct-if-stolen" personal encryption key that you could reenter if you open the case yourself.
i wasnt surprised commander keen ran fast. john carmack was a legend back then too :)
"tantalizing technical tomfoolery"
Well done!
Yeah I quite like when he uses alliteration in his videos, either spoken or on his own captions in the case of "[continuous cellophane crinklage]"
Sorry for the late reply btw
That sound of ripping out the protective plastic..... gives me shivers... love it.
This was amazingly cool! It's like a reverse "sleeper" PC. :D
It's ricer PC xD
@@jannowak9639 V20 ricer :D
We need 486 dx2 66 with video card and 4mb of ram + sound blaster ;) in one board !
There is. It's an old IBM with integrated 4MB if ram and GPU. It also has an ATX like layout at the back, with PS2 and Serial/parallel port. It supports the 486 DX2 66 and even the Pentium OverDrive. The only thing it lacks is a sound card. I saw this thing on ebay for 25€ recently, and I didn't buy it because it was untested.
@@nitroraptor5316 I don't know anymore, it was over 7 months ago.
Now all you need is to light the inside to show off the awesome mother board...nice looking rig. I love the IBM and DOS badges.
oldest rgb fanboi I've seen
@@user-no3tu9kh3p he means rgb leds
@@user-no3tu9kh3p I know that LEDS don't have to be rgb. Decent blue LEDS only started to be avaliable around 1991-4 whereas red have been around since like the 60s
Ordered this in kit form last week. I'm now more excited than before.
@@ToneOFTheGods I may make a video as I build it. The big Trident chip will be challenging but I bought a narrow 'knife' tip for my Weller station in preparation. I've soldered SMD before but not at that fine a pitch.
I don't understand anything you say but I love your videos
glad im not the only one 😂
Lol, same.
The intro just had me nodding and saying "mmmhmm I know some of these words"
Big mood
Maggie makes me sad when I’m old enough and nerdy enough to understand ALL OF IT.
There's a right angle mounted ATX 12V power connector on an IBM PC XT clone.... The clash of ultra-modern & ultra-retro there is making my head spin lol.
Having modern high quality power supply is a definite bonus though, no exploding caps or blue smoke o first powerup
@@UNSCPILOT It's not that it's a modern ATX power connector that's weird, it's that it's mounted at a right angle. That only became common EXTREMELY recently.
LGR:
Emphasizing “Legacy” in Legacy Hardware & Software since the 2000s! They don’t die, they live on all thanks to LGR!
Whew. I am so glad you remembered to pull off the protective plastic.
Leaving that on would have ruined the entire video.
TVGA9000? Sounds like overkill :) Like putting a Titan X GPU in a single core Pentium 4 system :D
This is so ridiculous, I love it
It's more for compatibility with displays, vga was around for 30 years unlike cga/ega, etc. Still, nice to have the board maxed out regardless.
I could watch all of his modern pc builds if he does it. He has a perfect voice and personality. He even shows us his frustrations and difficulties in building.
Im not really into retro pc builds but glad hes doing these vids for people that do.
Pc building is just legos for grown men since the dawn of time
Dude, that is freaking awesome!
LGR's reaction to the demo messing up @ 12:36 has given me life again.
beautiful little board, I love nicely arranged dip and smd on a motherboard! the motherboards i've bought for the last decade have all been auto-routed microscopic components and SoC looking 500 pin bridges.
I'd love a 386/486 or Pentium modern clone system. =)
Sera Phina Yeah, whichever was the last chip without the Meltdown bug...
Man, this thing is so awesome you made me download OpenWatcom v2 and I started C programming for the 8086 in a VM just to get ready for when I'll actually buy the kit. Thanks for discovering this gem!
Sweet board, however that VGA card is a bit of an overkill :) What we really need is a NuAT with a nice 16-bit bus and high-speed '286/V30 at 16MHz...
or an Harris 286 25MHz, and beat all those pesky 386's ;)
...and a Roland MT-32, just for that little bit of extra swag over the Adlib in this one.
You should announce the prizes on The Price is Right lol. The way you describe these parts makes it sound like you are a professional game show announcer.
I love your videos man. This build looks great and that NuXT is an awesome example of classic turned modern. Makes me want to run out and build a new retro system myself.
I legimately felt happy how much you were enjoying this system especially at 19:54
If they've got a 486 equivalent then I'm all there!
You got horizontal and vertical mixed up. I love the horizontal board, its nifty. I always feel like things are always hanging and putting pressure on ports, it nice when things lay nice and flat.
15:00 I KNEW you would play Planet X3 on that!
It's like a marriage of 2 of my favorite you tube channels
Oh, It’s been a little while since I’d seen Keen’s hand animation go so slowly 👍
Thanks for properly crediting me in the Planet X3 bit at 15:15! I've seen a few people mix up who did what music so it's nice to have it right, haha
WOW! Terrific! Hopefully they will sell enough of them and consider creating one for a 286/386/486 (maybe a combo board of sorts) The prices is super reasonable when you consider that they had to create the thing, source it, all of the on board they have integrated and yes they are allowed to make a profit!
OMG THAT COMPUTER IS SO SATISFYING
Clint, thank you so much. You just reminded me of 2 titles I (and my younger brother) played, or 'tried to play' about 22 years ago - totally gonna emulate them in dosbox first thing tommorow! Great episode as usual, although I feel like this build lacks... Yes. WOODGRAIN.
Hell yeah, woke up to a LGR PC build. Happy Friday everybody
That PCB is beautiful. I wish there was more remakes of old PC like that
I read the title as
"Building a MicroATX IBM Clone! The _NuT Turbo PC_
lmao
I had no idea this existed, and now I can't live without it. Gonna save up for this asap!
GREAT video, thanks so much for making it. :)
All that pc needed was a blue "intel inside" logo,up front.
But it had an NEC inside ;-)
Yeah. Where's the square Intel/Windows/Company logo sticker for your case? It's hardly authentic without one.
Yeah the only thing being that would not have existed, but thanks for picking the right decade anyway
@@psyddicus Yup. But it would have fitted the spirit of the build, given that's its a modern fantasy of the original kit, itself.
I would love to recreate my very first PC which was NEC 486DX. It had 8MB RAM and a 100MB HDD. Top speed was 33Mhz and it got me thru so many games like Doom, Duke 3D, MechWarrior, Solitaire, Day of Tentacle, Jill of the jungle, and so many more classic. I don't know what it is about mono PC speaker but when I hear it bleep, it never fails to bring a smile to my face.
Love your videos. I have really bad general/social anxiety and depression, and every time I watch your videos everything just melts away. Thank you so much for helping me deal with it. Love you LGR!
Hang in there!
It really is something special seeing this hardware all cleaned-up, ready to go and just plain working in this day and age where driver issues, updates and other software faults are common place.
Tri-Mode Turbo up to 9.55 MHz!? Whooaaa, slow down there, hot shot! There's only so much space on the edge of my seat! ;)
I'll admit, at first i thought it would look a bit strange with the modern case. But after seeing it finished, it has a sort of SGI Onyx look to it. I like it it.
that moment when you're installing windows 98 on a pc while watching old lgr videos and a new one appears on your notifications
yeah what a great friday
That motherboard design looks pretty cool with matte black and various color accents making you think of something really oldschool.
$320 for just the motherboard? Way too rich for my blood. Looks like a lovely design, though.
For that price a FPGA alternative would be a better choice
I mean I would just be fine with a Pentium 3 build.
Yeah mate, I'll stick to dosbox.
I looked at that too, and nearly did a spit take when I saw that price! Cool build though!
You can get a blank pcb and source and solder the components yourself. More rewarding I think. You may learn more too.
I really like this build! The fact that everything on that motherboard and soundcard are new, yet its essentially a retro part, made in 2019, its really amazing!
DOS had some slowdown utilities, which generally worked by stealing CPU cycles in order to slow the CPU down. Do those work on this?
Mo'slo! It would probably work fine.
@@invisi1407 That's the one I was thinking of.
yeah, good old TSR magic.
I just wasn't sure if those TSRs would run on an 8086. I don't remember seeing them until the 80286.
I've tried them in the past. They have compatibility issues. He would still need original hardware for some of his games.
This is AMAZING.
Epic project!
8:57: Flat white. Now I want coffee.
15:49: This has to be my favourite game of all time, really.
20:06 Just smiling in the reflection there. :)
For some reason your videos put me in a good mood... it like reminds me of my "pc weekends" where nothing existed or could mess up my weekend if i had pc stuff to do
This is what i call "Premium" TH-cam Content! :)
Man, i watch LGR videos as they come out, but videos like this really illustrates that i, for the most part, have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Like, i have never been very interested in old computers. I don't even know much about new computers. I just like your videos.
Oh, I would *so* have tried to put an LCD into the case (in the blue frame) for a new take on Thick Monitor
This made me giddy!
You know what retrofuturistic hardware could make this a more whole package? A flat, "slim", CRT, circa 2002!
Keep the good work, Clint!
Love my LGR fix!
This is unbelievably cool. That case is so great! Seeing it with that IBM badge immediately made me think of those black IBM ThinkCentres from the early 2000s.
Man I thought you were gonna smash the board with the monitor!!
I think I had that exact model of CRT on my 486 SX 25 MHz growing up...and used it with later PCs in college until about 2000 or so.
Edit:
I also played the crap out of Round 42 on our old Eagle PC waaay back when and played it on my Aunt's XT...this video really takes me back!
I think you should spray paint it beige to match the keyboard and monitor but otherwise, gorgeous bit of kit.
Nah woodgrain *ALL* of it
What a huge case for that small board. But it DOES look sleek though, it does resemble the computers of that era color-wise. And it makes it look like a server or a beefy workstation. Also, the IBM and MS-DOS stickers look good. Yeah, as you have said, even though it only has five slots, the board comes with a video chip, an FDD/storage controller and I/O and it already has RAM extension beyond 640KB in place. Those have often been added by using add-on cards. True, some boards may have had RAM IC sockets but other machines had to be extended via a memory add-on card. So, yeah, the five slots are perfectly fine. I also like how it accepts CTRL + ALT + "+/-" to switch between frequencies. And it's a brand new board! I have never had a brand new computer up until the SLOT-1 / Socket 370 era. My first IBM-compatible was a 8088 XT with 4.77 - 8.00 MHz turbo, 20MB HDD, 5.25 FDD, 640KB RAM, CGA card and CGA monitor. Had magnificent times with it! Very nice piece of hardware you have there!
It must be fun to be Clint right now. Bruhs, that computer looks clean
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Barbie: CLINT!
Definitely an NeXT vibe. love it.
I used to love stunts its like a mario maker of our time :D
What a well-sorted, fantastically thought out board the NuXT is. And I love this build; it looks and performs excellently. Definitely a must-have for a certain set of retro PC enthusiasts. Great video as ever!
I just wanna know where you got those case badges. I WANT!
Links in the video description!
probably ebay
Love the retro build! I built a micro ATX machine with the exact same case but in black with red accents since my motherboard had red lights. Great choice.
oooh, gimme a 486! I wanna load up windows 95!
Evil! Linux or die! If setting up your favorite games isn't a slow, painful process, it's not authentic! And Bochs, not VirtualBox!
So awesome that this stuff is in NZ. I always watch videos on envy of things people can get from overseas, nice to have it at my backdoor step. Will be ordering me one of these for sure!
wow $320.00
.... i would pay that maybe if it was a 486 class or early P5
Agreed
Pricey, but do remember these things are built in small runs and are therefore crazy expensive. I doubt the creator is making much of a margin on that cost.
It is indeed a little expensive for what it is. And add $60 for a sound card. And some more for shipping. That's basically $400 for a modern XT. And it doesn't even come with an IO shield. I guess I'll stick with emulation ;-)
@@maartenschouren2327 you can fined a legit 8086 on Ebay cheaper
It's all the new and the nos parts are very picy, back in the day this have could costed way more new, in fact you are paying for all new stuff, so thereisn't mutch to complain about the price
Speaker sound / soundtracks needs more love, tbh. I remember playing this stuff on some old PC while on break, it had no soundcard, but it felt so unique to play anyways with the big ol' speaker. Nice to see something like the NuXT, also.
"This one particularly appealed to me."
you'd be shocked how many of these micro atx cases look 20 years old because nobody seemingly cares about micro atx
My first computer at home growing up was an 8088 of some type. Lemmings..duke nukem....etc. ms word in dos with dot matrix printer for homework. Had DOS when a lot of people had Windows but I appreciate being behind the times, since I got to learn it. There were a few things an 8088 could do near the end that were pretty cool, but it lacked a lot of things.
A: Got myself a new pc, did some benchmarking
B: neat, i got around 23 659 the other day, how about you?
A: 11!
B: . . .
11!
That means 2.85311671e11
For short really big
Cool that someone designed and made this board! I manufacture PCBs so I find it cool that there is an 8088 board that is modern quality!
I'd really like to hear what Xenon 2 Megablast sounds like on this.
Awesome video Clint! Favorite one you've done recently. Looks like a cool board (I didn't know about XT clones) and I love the case you picked!
Ummmm, at some point you might want to reverse the floppy cable. Twisted end should go to the drive, not the motherboard. :)
Came here to point that out - although 'the wrong way round' will work if you only have one floppy drive,
This is so badass I will replay it as soon as it finishes.
"tantalizing technically tomfoolery" nice