Building a 486 DOS PC with an ISA Single Board Computer & Backplane

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  • Assembling a 100MHz Intel 486 DX4 system inside a neat little Baby AT computer case from the mid-90s! I've been wanting to build an MS-DOS PC around an ISA SBC for a long time now, so let's get to it and play some DOS games.
    ● LGR links:
    / lazygamereviews
    / lazygamereviews
    / lazygamereviews
    ● Specs of the finished machine:
    100 megahertz Intel 486-DX4 CPU
    HS-5x86HVGA ISA SBC Card
    IEI PICMG PCI-8S 8-slot Backplane
    16MB 72-pin SIMM RAM
    512MB HyperDisk IDE Disk On Module (replaced with CF adapter)
    Cirrus Logic CL-GD54M30 graphics chipset
    Creative Sound Blaster 16 MCD ASP sound card
    1.44MB Sony 3.5" diskette drive
    360K Toshiba 5.25" floppy drive
    48x Lite-On IDE CD-ROM drive
    Generic beige Baby AT tower case
    230W AT power supply
    ● Music courtesy of:
    www.epidemicsound.com
    #LGR #Computer #Build
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  • @dabeamer42
    @dabeamer42 3 ปีที่แล้ว +454

    Ah, the nostalgia...especially the IDE conflicts

    • @m8528
      @m8528 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Ahh, setting the sound blaster was a pain in the a...

    • @m8528
      @m8528 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      And using game/midi port on the sound card...

    • @alejandroalzatesanchez
      @alejandroalzatesanchez 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I only have 16 years old and i'm right too xd messing around with this men yeah. The ide and his ( *BEEP* ) 40 pins don't forget the startup beep of the most machines windows errors the bsod and so one

    • @SW0000A
      @SW0000A 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I would have just hooked the cd through the sound card.

    • @pmgodfrey
      @pmgodfrey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@m8528 -- I'd spend so much time going through DMA and IRQ conflicts because "just one more card". lol

  • @101wut2
    @101wut2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +629

    My wife caught me watching this video and said, "oh god, you're starting a new project aren't you?" Damn right, I am.

    • @brandonstevens6886
      @brandonstevens6886 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      sounds about right XD

    • @SolidSonicTH
      @SolidSonicTH 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      The only person I have to answer that question to is myself but it's still a poignant one.

    • @ominous-omnipresent-they
      @ominous-omnipresent-they 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      More the reason to never get married.

    • @francoisnel5253
      @francoisnel5253 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Why do all wives have to make such derrogatry comments, instead of being uplifting & supportive.

    • @francoisnel5253
      @francoisnel5253 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@ominous-omnipresent-they women enjoy breaking down mens dreams somehow. It's sick that narcissim is so accepted by men.

  • @Loopy1330
    @Loopy1330 3 ปีที่แล้ว +340

    "Will this run on my 486?" -That one guy from Half-Life 2's E3 2003 demo

    • @parishna4882
      @parishna4882 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Will crysis run it?

    • @OnionChoppingNinja
      @OnionChoppingNinja 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      but his spreadsheet ran so well.

    • @Dan-TechAndMusic
      @Dan-TechAndMusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @Apple Yes, there's a video of that E3 demo on TH-cam.

    • @dewdop
      @dewdop 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m guessing the answer is probably no

    • @parishna4882
      @parishna4882 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I feeel bad for that comment, and I should feeel bad... :(

  • @kcgeil
    @kcgeil 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    I remember the DX4-100 chips were being described as the "poor mans pentium".
    Impressive chips but they suffered heat problems that made a cpu cooling fan necessary, which made a lot of techies nervous at the time.

    • @joefish6091
      @joefish6091 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      DX4-120 133 were slightly;y faster than the P60 and P70 and a lot cheaper, Pentiums did 1.5 instructions per clock cycle, DX 486 1.5 clocks to an instruction.
      so P90- and 100 were faster. also the first P60 70 pentiums were not upgradable,

    • @phyrr2
      @phyrr2 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      In relation to the other person who answered, those of us who went to the DX4 120's didn't have any problems that I know of. With mine I was able to skip the 1st generation Pentium 60/66 to a Pentium II 233mhz without any headaches in between.

    • @bakuganfox
      @bakuganfox 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      and we have tower just to cool cpu

  • @catriona_drummond
    @catriona_drummond 3 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Clever move with the black drives. Spares you matching 50 shades of yellowed beige.

    • @vamwolf
      @vamwolf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He does like his cables......

  • @ethanmachac
    @ethanmachac 3 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    I like the how the black buttons and drives against the beige case look

  • @noelsherron
    @noelsherron 3 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    8:05 I think its just fine leaving it yellowed. I prefer retro-bright with iconic hardware that is to be kept more as a show piece; to give us a sense of 'this is what it was like when it was new'. But for projects like this, the yellow gives it a sense of seniority, a look earned from years of service.

    • @joefish6091
      @joefish6091 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      A gentle clean with warm water and soap is a good thing, gets the nicotine and bio-grime off.

    • @snarkasticdouche3863
      @snarkasticdouche3863 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@joefish6091*FOOD*

  • @KITPUNK
    @KITPUNK 3 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    Seeing the size of that board makes me want to see the smallest possible 486 build. Would be cool to have a micro 486 / Win95 machine.

    • @JerkfaceMcGee
      @JerkfaceMcGee 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Idk if you'll see this - but LGR gotcha -> th-cam.com/video/USHvvSbYmJA/w-d-xo.html

    • @weepingscorpion8739
      @weepingscorpion8739 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I know there are backplanes as small as just 3 or 4 ISA slots. But maybe you could run the SBC alone? That'd be interesting to see.

    • @faillepatte
      @faillepatte 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@weepingscorpion8739 Actually I have a 2 slot ISA SBC build with a socket 370 mobo. If there's enough interest I'll make a video

    • @uiopuiop3472
      @uiopuiop3472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i was just doing the deed with my gsd female

    • @cdwilliams1
      @cdwilliams1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Lookup the video for the WeeCee DOS PC :-)

  • @buttguy
    @buttguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +516

    hey perfect. I can avoid working for another 37 minutes.

    • @PlastiGomi
      @PlastiGomi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      god can these comments die already?
      so sick of seeing the same spam 30 times on every video
      we get it video long long video video long

    • @mikethedigitaldoctorjarvis
      @mikethedigitaldoctorjarvis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@PlastiGomiYep,along with the *First* comments too !

    • @gavinthesniper4465
      @gavinthesniper4465 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree happy thanksgiving

    • @robinbrowne5419
      @robinbrowne5419 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Me too. He he he.

    • @buttguy
      @buttguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@PlastiGomi huh? I probably would have left the same comment if the video was 4 minutes. Main point was this content is more important to me than whatever I’m supposed to actually be doing.

  • @vwestlife
    @vwestlife 3 ปีที่แล้ว +982

    FOOD

  • @djhaloeight
    @djhaloeight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    DMA and IDE conflicts...brings me right back!

  • @Quickened1
    @Quickened1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Remember the day when you played those games and you didn't know what was around the next corner!? Good times...

  • @NielsPaul
    @NielsPaul 3 ปีที่แล้ว +352

    "Oh man!. I wiped away food for no good reason"
    Quarantine in a nutshell

    • @PlastiGomi
      @PlastiGomi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      what a funny joke good sir
      take this bullet gold

    • @BrainSlugs83
      @BrainSlugs83 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "but it made him feel good."

    • @BigboiiTone
      @BigboiiTone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A deadly virus is a good enough reason you can't go out to the bar. Drink at home

    • @BigboiiTone
      @BigboiiTone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@joetheman74 that's not the issue. Its never been an issue of muh freedoms. It's you guys imagining more stuff and ruining life for everyone else

    • @WintrBorn
      @WintrBorn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@joetheman74 my right to health surpasses your right to be a douche. We'd be done with this foolishness if you toddlers had thought about others for just one second.

  • @aaronblair9583
    @aaronblair9583 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I've had a horrible, stressful...soul crushing!day...
    I have never been Soo happy to see a notification pop up. Seriously, began crying and had a huge weight lifted off my chest. Thank you

    • @teroe2322
      @teroe2322 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too

    • @Shotblur
      @Shotblur 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You wanna talk about it

    • @vivanecrosis
      @vivanecrosis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is some strong moments right there. I hope all works out well for you :D

    • @aaronblair9583
      @aaronblair9583 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Shotblur naw, I appreciate it tho. I'm a caregiver, work in end of life care. Just had my hours cut, losing my heath insurance. And a global pandemic has killed 12 people I know.
      And it was thanksgiving

    • @nicksalvatore5717
      @nicksalvatore5717 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@aaronblair9583 you have my condolences. people out there care! I really hope things improve

  • @MrValz0
    @MrValz0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +176

    PC Case: "Do you bleed?"
    "You will."

    • @trevorpomroy550
      @trevorpomroy550 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I heard that 'you will' in Yodas Empire voice.

  • @HangmanOfficialUploads
    @HangmanOfficialUploads 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    We'll never forgive you for wiping away FOOD, Clint.

  • @Aggs_TV
    @Aggs_TV 3 ปีที่แล้ว +206

    I think the "FOOD" label was trying to tell you where to feed the PC.
    ...I think the computer is a Mimic.

    • @cryptc
      @cryptc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      I walked into a tavern with a sword and the bartender asked 'why do you carry a sword in here?' 'Mimics' I said... the bartender laughed, I laughed, the table laughed, we killed the table... good times

    • @DeadPollo
      @DeadPollo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      if it was Google Chrome it would scream "feed me your RAM!"

    • @whoshotdk
      @whoshotdk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Wouldn't be surprised if it was an old school computer - in the school I used to work at, teachers tended to label everything with their department name (i.e Food Technology) in order to see when another teacher nicked their stuff.

    • @WolfePaws
      @WolfePaws 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Captain Falcon Filthy metagaming!

    • @CoreDreamStudios
      @CoreDreamStudios 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      anemic you mean?

  • @dnsoulx
    @dnsoulx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    you know, everytime i watch these i feel like my pc knowledge is on par and i'm like "ah yes the bibbledoo plugs into the diplorp" and then i open up a pc and take 20 minute to remove a hard drive

    • @sadmac356
      @sadmac356 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Honestly same. Sometimes the hard drive takes me less than 5 minutes to remove, but that really depends on how the case is designed

    • @vivanecrosis
      @vivanecrosis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The worst part is something those cases can be sharp inside. I really hate that!

    • @TheTurnipKing
      @TheTurnipKing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Messing about inside a PC always takes longer that you think. Just remember that you're watching an edited video :)

    • @dnsoulx
      @dnsoulx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@vivanecrosis i was messing with this 2006 compaq and the case was full of sharp angles and this dumb protective case for the drive chambers, my hands... my POOR HANDS

    • @gz3zbz
      @gz3zbz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The bibbledoo doesn't plug into the diplorp, what planet are you from? Kids these days...

  • @jaredvv86
    @jaredvv86 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I was really surprised how well I like that black-on-beige look. I thought that would look weird, but I really like it. I don't know if maybe its because the yellowing of the plastic or what.

    • @eaglemaster7
      @eaglemaster7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      because it's remind us the beauty of IBM PC/XT but in vertical case. all Floppy is black not beige back then, I even feel a bit strange to see beige floppy on IBM PC, like something didn't right

  • @patrick6350
    @patrick6350 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    12:24 - Dear -5v indicator LED who illuminated briefly when first connected, I see you, you are wanted, you are loved

  • @calvinrempel
    @calvinrempel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    Top Bay is an ESSS (Emergency Sandwich Storage System)

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      nope, under bay for the sarnies, top flip out drive for the coffee cup

  • @zaclaramay
    @zaclaramay 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    The black front... looks so good.

    • @zarkeh3013
      @zarkeh3013 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      yea!
      maybe simply retro-bright it and be done

  • @lifeonlowbatteries8153
    @lifeonlowbatteries8153 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Watching in the middle of the night so Clint’s smooth voice can lull me back to sleep.

  • @xDJxGNOMx
    @xDJxGNOMx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    honestly, it's just so satisfying to see your channelname and below it just says 1.44M it just absolutely fits

  • @davidcain3752
    @davidcain3752 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I recommend not connecting the LED directly to that power connector. Depending on what that is for, it may not limit the current which will cause your LED to fail quickly. If you put a simple 220 or 470 ohm resistor in series that should work fine
    Edit: lol just made it to the edit 🤣

    • @bobblum5973
      @bobblum5973 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      The problem is that there are some cases that used a basic LED, while others had a discrete resistor soldered to the LED then covered with heatshrink tubing or an LED with integrated resistor. Like the differences in power switches he pointed out, plenty of variations to keep things "interesting". 😉

  • @BillyBuerger
    @BillyBuerger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    We have a pair of very old servers at work that use these kind of SBCs with a big backplane that fills the whole back side of the rack mount server chassis. Don't recall the exact specs of what's on them. I'm guessing Pentium something. But these SBCs have both the ISA and PCI connectors on them. We will never be using these again so I could pull one if you are interested. I can get the full specs next week when I stop by the office next. Let me know if you are interested.

    • @blueviper1099
      @blueviper1099 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      You should email him, he'll probaby see it there.

    • @dozern
      @dozern 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Very nice of you :) And if you have several, I'd be up for buying one from you, given that the price isn't too extravagant.

    • @wishusknight3009
      @wishusknight3009 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @Bob Ross SBC's like this are generally very conservative in their performance. They will fall behind a typical consumer level mainboard by about %20 or so. I have a system with a few different SBC's I can plug in from 386 all the way to Core 2. And its neat to play with and doesn't need much space but don't expect the usual performance from them. Things are timed very slack.

    • @MrDuncl
      @MrDuncl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@wishusknight3009 Designed to run in something like a Cashpoint machine where reliability is far more important than speed, and there is no need for a "Turbo" button.

  • @Outofthedust
    @Outofthedust 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    These are literally just before my time and I love seeing how they worked. I know of them and have seen them but was too young to know what I was looking at. I love learning about them. My first PC build when I was a kid was a Pentium MMX back in the mid 90s and I was just learning about PCs then.

  • @bobblum5973
    @bobblum5973 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thanks, Clint, seeing you work on older hardware always brings back memories for me.
    Many years ago, roughly late '80s/early '90s, at work I supported VAX minicomputers running the VMS OS. We had lots of people on VT-220 terminals able to access them, as well as VMS graphic workstations. But PCs weren't common. We ended up getting what looked like a desktop XT/AT case, inside of which was a passive backplane and up to eight single board ISA PCs, 386s I think but could have even been 286s. By running a program on the VAX you could connect across the LAN to one of the virtual PCs and run DOS applications. No graphics supported unfortunately, all DOS 3.1. I spent quite a while writing some custom help files for the VMS side, and had to work out licensing tricks for the DOS applications: ChartMaster, SignMaster, DiagramMaster. I think we had IBM DisplayWrite 3 or 4 for word processing, and Lotus 123 for spreadsheets. Lots of fun with mapping PC drive letters to files and directories on the VAX.
    Of course, after all that effort, it barely got used, as more PCs started showing up!

  • @hikariyouk
    @hikariyouk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +156

    I wouldn't be surprised if that case was originally being used for a POS in a cafe or something.

    • @DutchmanDavid
      @DutchmanDavid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      POS = Point of Sale, not "piece of !@#$", methinks. Seeing the context of hardware and all that.

    • @ImpetuouslyInsane
      @ImpetuouslyInsane 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      @@DutchmanDavid Meh, most POS's are POS's, so there's still a general consensus on that one.

    • @TheRealColBosch
      @TheRealColBosch 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I could see that, but I also suspect that "FOOD" was a password of some kind. These two suspicions are not mutually incompatible, of course.

    • @WackyWRZ
      @WackyWRZ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Maybe a cash register at Food Lion?

    • @hikariyouk
      @hikariyouk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ImpetuouslyInsane Yeah, when I worked in retail in my younger years, at ESCOM in the UK before they went under, we just used one of our own systems to run the POS.

  • @Pub2k4
    @Pub2k4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    The “Food” cover reminds me of seeing people use their CD-ROM drives as cup holders

    • @BilisNegra
      @BilisNegra 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hey, it ain't nice to poke fun at the mentally impaired, dude :P

  • @KhadKjunn
    @KhadKjunn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    That is actually the exact same case of my first PC ! Where I have played Doom II , Duke Nukem 3D , Tomb Raider and many more. If I remember correctly the CPU was Pentium 100 and people were losing their shit after 486 CPUs. Oh man thanks for this unexpected Nostalgia hit Clint.

    • @gormless-idiot
      @gormless-idiot ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did you also write "food" on one of the front drive bay covers?

  • @DarshanSTUDIOS
    @DarshanSTUDIOS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ah yay! Another 486 Dos pc build. Thank you! Have been waiting for a retro build like this!!

  • @wraithcadmus
    @wraithcadmus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +112

    Get a couple more and some way to network them together "in the box" and have a portable Duke-Match in a box.

    • @TheTurnipKing
      @TheTurnipKing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Was considering doing that with Quake and a bunch of Pi 4's... Though Duke is an option these days.

    • @KenjiUmino
      @KenjiUmino 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      pretty much like the "7 gamers, 1 system" thing that linus built a couple years ago but without the need for virtual machines - all 7 gamers could play duke 3d "on the metal"

    • @TheTurnipKing
      @TheTurnipKing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@KenjiUmino the pi's using eDuke, so it's still running natively on the hardware.
      I'm not sure how practical having multiple SBCs with this backplane is, because you have multiple CPUs sharing a single ISA bus, though creating a custom backplane that has several separated ISA buses that just share power rails should be feasible.
      You could also simplify the setup somewhat by finding SBCs that also have integrated audio, video and network, which would allow you to bypass the need for an ISA bus at all.
      Finding all that with vintage hardware though... I presume you can see why I thought to use the Pi instead :D

    • @TheTurnipKing
      @TheTurnipKing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@KenjiUmino the trick to the 7 gamers system is that it was one CPU with more cores and GPUs, divided into individual machines using virtualization.

    • @master74200
      @master74200 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheTurnipKing Even though they'd be sharing that backplane, that appears to mostly be for expansion and power, not so much for any data transmission, so that at least should lend itself to being possibly to run several "bare-metal" systems on their own, all sharing nothing but power.

  • @bryanfitzgerald95
    @bryanfitzgerald95 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Love it, the ambiance in your videos are somewhat so relaxing and homey

    • @firenicey7319
      @firenicey7319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yep the chill music and him talking. Almost makes you want to get some soft clothes on and relax with a whiskey or coffee

    • @HontasFarmer80
      @HontasFarmer80 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@firenicey7319 His voice is part of it.

    • @vivanecrosis
      @vivanecrosis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I so read that as honey. Relaxing and Honey, could totally be a thing, not sure what kind of thing, but hey :D

    • @rick-deckard
      @rick-deckard 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed, its so comforting

    • @scottdotjazzman
      @scottdotjazzman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did you know that m can sometimes look like rn when read quickly?

  • @jgilbertoribeiro
    @jgilbertoribeiro 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I was a teen when at that computer´s time. It was so hard to make everything works. When windows 95 came with plug and play feature was a revolution.

    • @weswes10
      @weswes10 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You mean Plug and PRAY...

  • @raphaelventura8465
    @raphaelventura8465 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for your video. You have no idea how it brought me some great memories and how relaxing it is to watch you building and configuring it.

  • @MrDbrennen
    @MrDbrennen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Watching LGR is good for you vicariously, so you don't have to hoard old computers yourself

  • @StereoBucket
    @StereoBucket 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I'm a simple man. I see quake in thumbnail, I click.

  • @Iain_C
    @Iain_C 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Oozing nostalgia as always. I never owned a 486. I went from a 386 to a Pentium 133. Oh the excitement.

  • @fapostoli
    @fapostoli 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love this channel. Dripping with nostalgia and Clint is so very easy on the eye.

  • @battra92
    @battra92 3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Never underestimate the lengths businesses will go to keep old software running.

    • @nslouka90
      @nslouka90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      battra92 see the IRS

    • @handlesarefeckinstupid
      @handlesarefeckinstupid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Except apple. You got that, you screwed.

    • @sameash3153
      @sameash3153 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      All the power to them! Fuck modern pcs

    • @yaroslavkizyma2370
      @yaroslavkizyma2370 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      If it works - don’t touch it.

    • @rcmero
      @rcmero 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Case in point, French airport terminals are still running Windows 3.1 to this day.

  • @friendlywizard6462
    @friendlywizard6462 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    28:22 ah what a bummer I saw a full length VLB styled 486/Pentium SBC like this one at car boot earlier this year! Did'nt buy it as I was not sure what it connected too but now I know! Great video!

    • @SolidSonicTH
      @SolidSonicTH 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That kind of setup is called "PICMG" (I've found out about this because I'm starting an SBC build myself and may have another one down the line as well). On older systems like this it's just a stacked ISA/PCI combo slot but on newer, PCIe-based systems the slot is something unique (I thought it was like a double-stacked PCIe x16 slot but it's more different than that).
      Also long SBCs like this are a BITCH to fit into a case. I'm actually going to need to mod the case this SBC project is going into (need to cut out a section of the HDD rails) and it's a friggin' full tower EATX-compatible case (which I went with because I have an 8-slot backplane, which is one too many for a conventional mid-tower)!

  • @FyberOptic
    @FyberOptic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    25 years later it occurs to me that Descent is basically Choplifter in space.

  • @menhirmike
    @menhirmike 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Man, that Tower case brought back memories, back before someone had the genius idea of detachable side panels. The breakouts for extra COM/LPT ports also reminded me of the good ol' days when it was a rite of passage to get a bloody scratch any time you worked inside the PC.

  • @SandsOfArrakis
    @SandsOfArrakis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    The food thing indicates where you need to slide in CD-ROMs for the PC to munch on.

  • @chillhour6155
    @chillhour6155 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The black on beige looks really good to be honest, reminds of those old tandys

    • @quazznorm1777
      @quazznorm1777 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks. I knew it reminded me of some sort of old computer, but I couldn't exactly figure out what it specifically reminded me off till I saw your comment.

  • @MrStato355
    @MrStato355 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice work Clint, always love watching your videos tinkering with the old stuff. After every view I end up firing up one of my several retro rigs.

  • @sewerraccoon
    @sewerraccoon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was literally digging through some of my old boxes today and found a Sound Blaster 16. Started googling/eBaying for cheap mobos with ISA so I could play with it. Lot of results for these old SCBs. LGR has powers...

  • @sandr6769
    @sandr6769 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    This PC deserves its own name, something associated with food.

    • @Harey0407
      @Harey0407 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The breadbox SBC.

    • @szyszkienty
      @szyszkienty 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Foodgrain?

    • @shockwave3318
      @shockwave3318 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Rasberry Pie

    • @Blasterxp
      @Blasterxp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Slide bytes

    • @jmontesi4
      @jmontesi4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The Packing Peanut

  • @Rabbit_AF
    @Rabbit_AF 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for making this video. I never knew how SBCs connected to anything. I see now, that a backplane is needed, and it makes a lot more sense.

  • @jimgallagher6310
    @jimgallagher6310 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Loved your video. I miss working on computers like this in days gone by. Really I think the mid to late 90's were the heyday of the PC. I still have some old ISA cards and such laying around. I remember buying components at Best Buy and having them escorted to the cash registers so nobody could steal them.

  • @yukondave8389
    @yukondave8389 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That black in the front looks AMAZING on that case! It doesn't need anything else, it is perfect.

  • @jthorpe4droid
    @jthorpe4droid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    That's a pretty cool board, never ran into any of them in the past.

    • @robbirobson7330
      @robbirobson7330 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      about 20 years ago i always used to go to the recycling center and there were tons of this single board computers like all types from 8088 to 486 and tons of back planes and other stuff but at that time i did not know what to make of it

    • @infamousacidrain
      @infamousacidrain 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      You generally wouldn’t. They’re industrial, so they didn’t usually make their way into the normal waste stream for home computers. Some of them are probably still in active industrial use, running old CNC or other manufacturing hardware that is otherwise very very expensive to replace.

    • @shadowtheimpure
      @shadowtheimpure 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I see these boards all the time on Aliexpress when browsing for 486 stuff.

    • @groenekever
      @groenekever 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shadowtheimpure fot less then aliexpress you cn buy them off me

    • @sameash3153
      @sameash3153 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@groenekever if you've got an ebay listing I'll throw some bucks your way

  • @cheesythegamer9771
    @cheesythegamer9771 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I haven’t been on this channel in months, so glad I found it again.

  • @ccricers
    @ccricers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Pine Technology still exists and owns the corporate division XFX (yes, the manufacturer of graphics cards). My very first dedicated graphics card was a Pine/XFX GeForce 2 MX 400.

  • @Demosthenas
    @Demosthenas 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love watching your videos especially before bed. They are really relaxing I love to immerse myself in the nostalgia of these great old machines.

  • @Vladimir_Kv
    @Vladimir_Kv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    That dom was too picky to Master a CD-Drive, and too proud to be a Slave ;)

  • @BaumInventions
    @BaumInventions 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I think the Disk on Modules are hardwired as cable select internally and the older BIOS dont like cable select. I have the same problems with Jumperless CF card adapters and DOMs.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      didnt he try a cable select cable as well ?

    • @AndrewAMartin
      @AndrewAMartin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Back in the day, I was told that putting the HDD and CD-ROM on the same IDE channel was a no-no -- if the CD is master, you're running the hard disk at slower speed than it's capable of, and if the hard disk is master, the CD drive can't keep up. I also never used cable select... That was 25+ years ago, so take that for what it's worth :-)

    • @VintageTechFan
      @VintageTechFan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cable Select is really just Cable Select. The drive looks at a certain pin on the IDE cable if it's grounded or not and decides to be Master or Slave according to that. There is no difference how the drives look to the BIOS. The cable simply replaces the jumpers.

    • @VintageTechFan
      @VintageTechFan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@AndrewAMartin "Master" and "Slave" are misleading words, there isn't any priority at all, except for special cases during initialization (older drives sequenced their spinup to reduce load on the PSU for example).
      The main reason is that only one device can use the bus at the same time, so for fast (DMA) copy from one device to the other they have to be on different channels.

    • @JakeHambyZ80
      @JakeHambyZ80 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think this is close to the right answer, but the disk module probably just wants to be the only device and doesn't support "master/slave" at all.

  • @MIKESALLSURE
    @MIKESALLSURE 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice, that's the 1st time I heard PhilsComputerLab show up on your channel. Both your channels insight on resurrecting PC's always keep me filled with joy, and of course help with troubleshooting my own retro projects. Thanks Clint!

    • @LGR
      @LGR  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We’ve collaborated before, too!
      th-cam.com/video/9CgisEFObjA/w-d-xo.html

  • @chrism7541
    @chrism7541 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Glad you enjoy Clint! Happy to see a full computer built from one of these. Mine has a cpu fan as they can get hot without air movement in a case and cause an occasional lockup. I have an Aztech card in mine, set on DMA 0 of course. Something on the board uses channel 1. I have a manual for these as well.

  • @draketungsten74
    @draketungsten74 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    5:15 the poor thing is hungry, it's begging for food.

  • @bk649cc
    @bk649cc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Great, a Raspberry Pi 486!

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nah, those would be PC-108 boards. ISA bus on 0.1" headers. Standard stackable cards like the Pi Hats etc.

    • @gteixeira
      @gteixeira 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's actually a great idea!

  • @vlogzat
    @vlogzat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Golden era for computers
    The era that every new piece of hardware has its own taste
    Nowadays we are more than used with large ram numbers and extremely fast evolution

  • @artk2219
    @artk2219 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Jill and Xargon both use the same game engine, could be something with that.

  • @nomisbate
    @nomisbate 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Have to say that I like the look of the system as is without the need to wrap it to make a look a different colour.

  • @charlesdorval394
    @charlesdorval394 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ah, the good old 48bits PCSA slots! ;)
    Thanks for the upload, that was a great one!
    I thought about those from time to time, never got around to getting one, now they've probably been out of my price range for a couple hours by now :P

  • @BEEFTEEF4
    @BEEFTEEF4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    FOOD. As a 39 y/o that grew up with an Apple SE then a Packard Bell 486 DX, then a 300MHz Gateway, then a Compaq Presario 5000, I really appreciate this channel

  • @kbhasi
    @kbhasi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I think that the reason why the front of the case had "FOOD" written on it, was that it was likely used in an industrial kitchen of some kind.

  • @sofronio.
    @sofronio. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    imagine in 20 years maybe a 32 core single board computer will be there to give legacy support.

    • @amirpourghoureiyan1637
      @amirpourghoureiyan1637 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      An x86 board will definitely be used for that once RISC-V matures.

    •  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@amirpourghoureiyan1637 x86 for the win |:V/

    • @SolidSonicTH
      @SolidSonicTH 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Modern PCs haven't really evolved much, I think. Older 3rd gen Core i series CPUs still run modern software competently enough so getting older software to run on whatever's current is no longer a hurdle like it was for stuff that ran on Windows 95 and immediately crapped out trying to get it to run on XP.
      They make SBCs that take more current processors (I have one but I never did anything with it -- and also maybe bent some pins on the socket before I could... >_>) but it's the mid/late 90s and before that generally see the most benefit from running on period-accurate hardware.
      The concept of modern SBCs generally seems to take the form of things like the Latte Panda that are meant to be standalone devices instead of being attached to a backplane and provide more conventional connectivity (kind of in the vein of the RasPi but with standard x86-64 compatibility of your run-of-the-mill PCs).

  • @Arbiter099
    @Arbiter099 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    would have left the mysterious FOOD on there personally, it adds character

  • @kelainefes
    @kelainefes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome beige case, perfect for that retro machine lol.
    You bought me back to my teenage years.

  • @govna47
    @govna47 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I grew up playing all of those games. Talk about a trip back in time

  • @TCPUDPATM
    @TCPUDPATM 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    “cd quake” still gets me excited for some upcoming fun!

  • @lenovovo
    @lenovovo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for the delicious video LGR!! Have a great weekend dude!! :-)

  • @SuperHns
    @SuperHns 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ah 486 DX2 66 mhz, was my first Windows PC back in 1994, I remember hearing the Lion King game in DOS with SOUND BLASTER PRO, goddamn my ears just melted such crisp sound and music.

    • @shadowtheimpure
      @shadowtheimpure 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The DX2 66 was also my first PC, though mine ran DOS with Windows 3.11 and OS/2 in a multi-boot setup. I loved that computer, and damn near cried when the AT PSU failed and took the board with it.

  • @Doobie3010
    @Doobie3010 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ‘Beige is best!’ Another fantastic watch man.Always watch these all the way through. Interesting card that.

  • @KomradeMikhail
    @KomradeMikhail 3 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Could get a PCB backplane printed up with just two ISA slots and power.
    With a new Pico PSU, and a 3D printed case... Smallest 486 PC ?

    • @andreewert6576
      @andreewert6576 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Add a 5" tft, a lipo battery and a few buttons and you have a portable 486 switch-like thing.

    • @eDoc2020
      @eDoc2020 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      To save more space the power supply could probably be designed into the mini-backplane in the space between the two slots. However, it still won't be the smallest 486 PC. The IBM PC110 is 158x116x36mm and that's a whole laptop with 4.7" screen.

    • @KomradeMikhail
      @KomradeMikhail 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@eDoc2020
      Search what a Pico PSU looks like... it's not much bigger than the connector itself.
      The size could be cut down further by skipping the backplane entirely, and soldering power directly to the contacts.
      But then you lose the sound card... I suppose an OPL3LPT adapter connected to the internal parellel pin header could fit inside.
      The IBM PC 110 is about the same comparable size as two stacked expansion cards anyway... With a slower SX CPU.

    • @eDoc2020
      @eDoc2020 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@KomradeMikhail I know PicoPSU is small but if you want your system to be as small as possible every little bit matters. If you ditch the sound card you can probably eliminate this PSU entirely. I'm guessing the SBC only uses the 5v rail which can be provided from a phone charger. One of the connectors might even be a 5v input for this purpose.
      I'll certainly consider this as the smallest _desktop_ 486 PC. While the PC110 is a bit smaller, it's a completely different class of device.
      And side note, I think the PC110's CPU might be upgradeable with the right tools. I know the ThinkPad with the butterfly keyboard can be upgraded to 125MHz just by soldering in a different chip but this might be harder with the variant in the PC110.

    • @KomradeMikhail
      @KomradeMikhail 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@eDoc2020
      If you ditch the connectors off the PicoPSU and solder wires directly, the little board can sandwich in and fit within the given footprint of the single slot expansion card.
      Same with the OPL3LPT adapter... lose the connectors and solder it in.
      Could probably even squeeze in a modern LiPo battery pack and an adafruit charging circuit.
      A keyboard and a screen would fit within the size of a second expansion card. And now this is a homemade PC 110, of exactly the same size, but cheaper.
      CNC mill a case instead of just 3D printing it... and now suddenly I am turning into Ben Heck.

  • @jamesburke2759
    @jamesburke2759 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love how your videos are all basically a how well does it run duke 3d :D the reason i tune in often

  • @JPFM2509
    @JPFM2509 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Xargon.I just love this game. I played it during my childhood on computers like the one you set up. Greetings from Brazil

  • @Opirian
    @Opirian 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had that case growing up... what a nostalgia trip.

  • @michaelmiller9143
    @michaelmiller9143 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    12:39 "There are FOUR lights!"

    • @michaelhutto9970
      @michaelhutto9970 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      [zap] There are five lights!! How many do you see now?!

    • @JohnSmith-xq1pz
      @JohnSmith-xq1pz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      🖖

    • @wohlhabendermanager
      @wohlhabendermanager 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      "I understood that reference"
      Very powerful scene, btw.

  • @phodder
    @phodder 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Definitely swap to the ISA only backplane! Gotta love the minimalism/masochism combo wombo!

  • @davideubank8606
    @davideubank8606 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i played xargon so much as a kid but completely forgot about it. so many years ago, its a crazy feeling when all those memories just flood back into your head!!

  • @asherael
    @asherael 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man i really saw that issue with the DOM coming, it didn't look designed to share. glad you had something else to use, fascinating project, great content

  • @wumbogt3310
    @wumbogt3310 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I love how he uses the IBM Model M for every computer

    • @codyharrison3867
      @codyharrison3867 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very cozy and perfect volume when typing (: actually have one i use for my i7 build!

  • @jipillow1
    @jipillow1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Thank you Clint for giving us our first Christmas present of the year

  • @GearAddict90210
    @GearAddict90210 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seeing these old games brings back childhood memories.
    One game I loved was Terminal Velocity

  • @mustangmandal
    @mustangmandal 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My hometown is right next to marlborough! Never heard of the company but a little googling revealed that they are some sort of software company that appears to still be in business but in a different town. Still I love any references to my state and Its cool that something that simple made it all the way to you! Thanks for making my day!

  • @Scioneer
    @Scioneer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Honestly, considering the sbc's industrial roots, I'd say the case looks good as is.

  • @ActualCharky
    @ActualCharky 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    it needs a vinyl wrap of that cheerios FOOD image texture thing from the 3d fonts video!

  • @mesterak
    @mesterak 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never seen an SBC in action, so thanks fir this video. It was very cool!

  • @The90sGamingGuy
    @The90sGamingGuy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So cool to see a 486 running some classic FPS games in 2020. My dad had a 486 he ran Doom 2, Duke Nukem 3D and the expansion and some other games on it in the 90s. I played those games on it and Golden Axe on an arcade emulator. Seeing this video takes me back. I believe the graphics card he had in that pc was the 3D Voodo FX card.

  • @martincoufalik9101
    @martincoufalik9101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    Some programmer needed to remind himself why is he doing things.

  • @michaelmartin684
    @michaelmartin684 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I love the total pointlessness of installing a single SBC in a case all by itself. It's exactly what I love about playing with vintage computers.

    • @vivanecrosis
      @vivanecrosis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      At lest it won't get too hot from other components being too close such as GPU cards.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      given it needs a slot to do its thing ? does it ? can I hang it sideways in an old low profile plastic cased Olivetti 386 and see what happens !?

  • @bonky_in_space2025
    @bonky_in_space2025 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gotta love the ESD protective PCB bags in the beginning of the video

  • @invghost
    @invghost 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love this, the concept of a really small board built for compactness put in a massive (relatively) tower with a bunch of different things attached haha

    • @shadowtheimpure
      @shadowtheimpure 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Even in their industrial applications, they would have been connected to a backplane. The board has no way, other than the edge connector, to bring power in after all.

  • @FireFoxBancroft
    @FireFoxBancroft 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love these videos they're like a de-stressor at the end of a crazy day.

  • @nathann0100
    @nathann0100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Pretty neat I'd like to have one of those as a novelty

  • @TheGiulioSeverini
    @TheGiulioSeverini 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi LGR, I really love your videos. You'd deserve more views, mate!

  • @John-uc6gb
    @John-uc6gb 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool video. I remember building my first 486. Thank you