10 Times Ring Rust Was Disproven in MMA
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Just wait Jon Jones will prove this when he finally comes to heavyweight in 2052.
Jon Jones is past his prime.
i might be a conspiracy theorist but i think jones is sitting out due to a secret USADA suspension.
@@michaelspoto8720 if he really popped in his Reyes fight that is even more shameful for losing to a not even top 5 guy while on PEDs.
@Joe Blow where do you get that from?
when they legalize psychopathic cocaine heads....
It’s about practice. Hearing Demetrius Johnson talk about his preparation was eye opening. He goes harder in any training camp than he would in any given fight, so he is always ready.
So of course the ring rust will be there if you are not practicing
I think that's the major point. There is nothing inherently bad about the time off if the work is put in.
if this is true it's most have something to do with how small he and the guys he's sparring must be just as small.
It’s either you’re a fighter or your not . Real fighters don’t believe in ring rust because it doesn’t exist 💪🏽
once muscle memory is there it doesn't go away, it just hides, you have to find it through training
Wasn't he a construction worker during part of his Reine?
GSP's title win at UFC 217 after 4 years of layoff to me is one of the greatest moments in sports history. He's my favorite fighter of all time and everytime I go to that fight and rewatch the finish, that crowd pop still gives me goosebumps.
It's bittersweet for me, GSP looked better than ever and even said he had made massive improvements from where he left off and he's the one fighter I believe when he said it.
And then he found out he had a chronic illness and retired. Such a tease of what could have been.
@@FaithRox , exactly! Just imagine how much better he would of been if he could of kept on fighting. Nobody has come back after 4 years out and won the championship fight. Definitely #1 goat!!
@@FaithRox He absolutely didn’t look better than ever. He looked bloated and lethargic and was gassing prior to the Bisping submission.
@@FaithRox Frankly I don't agree with the assessment that GSP 'looked better then ever' against Bisping, he definitely looked bigger but he also looked slower and less explosive compared to his prime years. That being said, there was technical improvements to his game in particular to his boxing which helped set-up the finish against Bisping. It should however be noted that Bisping was no spring-chicken either, he was less athletic then GSP ever was and he came into the bout with a rib injury which for sure impacted his performance. Still, given the fact both men were in the late 30's and Bisping's size advantage offset some of the attribute advantages GSP may have had levelled the playing field.
Finally, I have to mention the only reason GSP returned at Middleweight was because Bisping was the champion. As good as Bisping was, he was a very beatable champion who would most likely have dropped the belt to any of the top contenders. GSP would not have returned if Rockhold was still the champion, or if Jacare was the champ for that matter, he was never going to defend against Whittaker either because its a nightmare matchup for GSP.
@@madgavin7568 - Of course GSP would have defended his belt if he wasn't sick, why would you claim he wouldn't? He spent so many years defending his WW belt against a murderous row of hungry contenders, but he would retire instead of fighting Rob or Jacaré? Kinda random accusation.
GSP had started the process of un-retiring when Rockhold was still the champion, which is why Luke was so salty afterward and felt like he deserved a fight against GSP
And Bisping and his "broken ribs" excuse is sketchy as hell... as many have pointed out, if he was so badly injured in the GSP fight, then why did he take the Gastelum bout 2 weeks later? Ribs don't get better that quick.
Simple compromise for everyone: Ring Rust exists, but it doesn't mean the person who has it is going to lose the fight.
I think it completely depends on how active the fighter is on there off time like sparring ect. Say if someone’s injured there more likely to show ring rust
@@miketschabrunn6012 also other factors like age and cumulative damage, fighters who have had long layoffs are often coming out of retirement or from an injury, it's not often a young, fresh fighter in their prime.
@@markzuckergecko621 agreed
@@markzuckergecko621 shoot, now we get to see the opposite of ring rust. Guys come back too fast and lose themselves. Moraes, now Tony. Moraes killed his own chin. Tony looked good versus Chandler before being KO’d. Against Nate… it was just embarrassing.
I think they’re just trying to get Connor McGregor back…
It's weird that ring rust doesn't exist but as shown in this video it was for a majority of fighters that were drinking Costa's secret juice
secret juice makes you _strong_ and _jacket!_
I haven't watched this video yet, but I bet GSP should be at the top after that spectacular performance after UFC 217...it's a hard path to perform that good after a 4 year lay off
Yall should do a "fights that were closer than the scorecards read". Aldo v Mendes 2 just as an example.
I honestly don't know why there is any controversy surrounding Cruz's win over Dillashaw. Yes the fight was competitive but Dom won fair and square.
thats what i though too. sure tj may have been pushing the pace in the fight but he hardly ever landed on cruz who was constantly landing on him
Crazy that Volkanovski used to weigh 214 lbs when he played Rugby, and now he is the 145 lb Champion. I'm sure he retains a lot of the raw power he had at 214 which he showed against Aldo, Mendes, Halloway, and powering through Brian Ortegas submissions. That was impressive watching him power through a Gracie jiu-jitsu black belts tight submissions. They call Brian T-City because of his triangle which Volk powered through.
Training with adcc silver medalist Craig jones on a daily basis also couldn’t hurt
I really liked Fabers comeback against Simon that had one loss at that time (I think) and was streaking!
You gotta do a video on Bald headed powers man. It doesn't work for everyone, but for certain fighters when they decide to go bald they start kicking ass even more. look into it. 😂
Robbie Lawler. He became so masculine he became a waking penis and won the title
Bald Volk has to be near the top, dude's a fucking problem.
I feel you guys could compromise a list of ten fighters that prove ring rust is real.
Recent examples being nick diaz and Luke rockhold. It's person to person and to me the rust comes from how much practicing you're doing in the off time
agreed. both of them looked absolutely awful in their comebacks and both retired afterwards
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I think every fighter is different. Ring rust exist if the fighter lets it. When you talk about rust. It means their timing and range and other things are slightly off. But there are always exceptions. Cruz is the best example
Not to forget that most of the fighters coming back were *clearly* better than the ones they faced
If you acknowledge that Father Time is undefeated, then you must acknowledge that ring rust is real.
Dominic Cruz's whole career was knocking ring rust off...most underrated for G.O.A.T status ever!!
dominik cruz is actually in my goat list and ppl should have him in theirs aswell.
1. Jon Bones
2. Demetreus Mighty mouse
3. GSP
4. Anderson Spidey
5. Dominik Cruz
dominik is TRUELY underrated by the community.
@@demibasan1714 can we really count jon jones though after all of the steroid tests? dont get me wrong great fighter but now i always wonder how much of it was from drug use
@@kyle21843 jebus H, can someone not say they appreciate Jones without this argument starting? Its 2022. It's been happening for years. We have all seen this conversation 5000 times. WHERE DO YOU GET THE STRENGTH?
(I think Jones is a horrible human before someone feels the need to call me a fanboy)
@@sonny9493 no you really cant because it puts his entire legacy into question since he got caught numerous times not just once
@@sonny9493 you can appreciate Jones of course he was a great fighter you can’t just be that talented from Roids alone but the fact he used PED’s means he’s not one of the greatest of all time as that my friend is cheating
Sometimes that long rest is necessary. All healed up and better than ever
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I’d say it depends on the level of experience, fitness, and temperament of the fighter. I speak from experience with bjj that early in my training I got injured and had to take a brief hiatus, and I really felt it, losing all the progress I’d made close to the injury. But someone who’s been doing it all their life already knows how to fight and knows it well, and in that situation I believe they can return to a competent proficiency much easier. If you already know how to fight you likely won’t need more than a really good tune up, if you aren’t experienced yet then not training can really hurt your skills.
consistency is everything. Im sure people may experience an off fight if they havent been in there in a while. being in a gym is very different than flying to another state, province or even country, the massive crowds, and the lethality of your apponent. hard sparring only takes you so far.
A couple of corrections. 1) GSP was against WADA, he actually wanted the UFC to adopt VADA, as GSP was basically sponsored by VADA. 2) During the Cruz return against Mizugaki, y’all called Cruz, Chris.
I think its less about "rust" per se but like you said being in shape. Also I see that since the sport has evolved so much so quickly that guys who were taking even a few years off came back and by then the whole meta of fighting had changed.
Definitely a different kind of rust, but honorable mention to Randy Couture dominating Champion Tim Sylvia in his first Heavyweight fight in over 4 years (last one before that being a loss to Ricco Rodriguez, remember him?) after spending 2003 through 2006 down at Light Heavyweight
Still one of my top 5 fights ever. Not necessarily because of what happened within the fight alone. But because of what it meant, and how everyone viewed the outcome.
Randy Couture tapping to strikes against Ricco Rodriguez is still one of my worst MMA memories...
Ricco keeps beating my favorite guys, like when he armbar'd Zelg "Benkei" Galesic into a living death (hey, Ricco was a *Team Punishment* guy after all) or when he kneebar'd Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira at ADCC and then arguably beating him in MMA (or at least went to a draw with him, if we go by modern rules), finished Andrei Arlovski...
And when I want him to win, like against Bigfoot Silva or Tim Sylvia, he takes a beating.
Ricco is definitely a strange animal, capable of the best but fought on waaay too long.
He would probably be remembered at one of the great MMA heavyweights had he retired after losing to Seth Petruzzelli in Bellator back in 2011, when it was clear he was not a top contender anymore.
Seeing gsp come back and win was one of my all time favorite mma moments
I would say Luke Rockhold, but his last performance was something out of a movie. A fitting farewell
I was there for Mendez vs Jury at UFC Boise. He called out Brock Lesnar in his post fight interview! 😂😂😂 legend
Myles Jury was “15-0 with six straight wins.” I guess you mean six straight in the UFC, because 15-0 implies 15 straight wins.
Obviously 🤓
Precisely what I meant. You got it!
It's crazy they used to have both fighters at the post fight press conference at the same time
00:04 Song Yadong casually chilling in the crowd
Video idea, weight classes with the most missed weight. (Total pounds missed)
Check how much a favorite each of these examples returned to as well as the other fighters recent history. Eg Love Bisping but there’s a reason he retired a single fight later. Korean zombie had lost 5 of his last 12. Point is, much of this can be explained by an opponent who was vulnerable vs examples of very strong fighters returning. Two things can be true at once: ring rust is likely real but usually these great fighters aren’t put in there first fight with someone who can starch them. Not always the case but it’s just interesting many of these examples had some element of that at play
Give me that top ten inebriated/under the influence MMA performances! let's go!
At 12:22 it sound like you said “Chris”😂
I remember Fury Jury and the hype he had at one point. Haven't heard that name in a while.
GSP one of the greatest athletes to ever live.
Now do a video on fighters that were actually affected by ring rust!!!
The more expirience you have the less it effects you. I've had 5 fights and I still feel it before a fight on a 1 year lay off
Respectfully, Cruz didn't wait 3 years after the Mizugaki fight to fight TJ for the belt. The fight with Mizugaki took place at UFC 174 in September of 2014, and the fight with TJ was a fight night in January of 2016. Year and some change, that's it for the second go-around
Before watching guesses, Randy C, and GSP come to mind
I believe ring rust is how the lights hit the day of the fight. Some people come back to continue and some come back because it’s all they know and can’t move on. I think it all comes down to how bad you wanna be there
Beating ring rust isn’t the same as it not existing at all
Narrator clearly had a bias when making this video.
Top 10 Ingredients in the secret juice
You can also include beneil vs gamrot on this list that just happened
GSP coming back and defeating Bisping after 4 years off proved in my mind that ring rust is only real in the sense that it's an excuse you tell yourself.
Ring rust is real, no matter how many times MMA on point tries to deny it. People usually take easier fights after a long layoff. Most guys don’t train as hard if they don’t have a fight scheduled.
I think that's a fair criticism for some of these, but GSP and Cruz when into tough title fights, Brock was against a top 10 fighter, Faber was fighting a very real prospect who it's only looked fantastic outside of that fight, Diaz fighting a former champ that just KO'd a top 10 welterweight in Wonderboy at 170. O'Malley and Sage fought guys at their levels in the division.
Khabib for sure got a squash match last minute though. So there are some examples to go with.
I definitely just think it's down to staying motivated and on task during the 'off season'. The "stay ready so you don't have to get ready" mentality. Whereas guys like Paddy or Johny Hendricks famously blow up in between fights.
@@MMAOnPoint yea guys like GSP and Cruz (to the extent which he could) were definitely still training so ring rust didn’t affect them as much. Whereas for McGregor who was drinking instead of training ring rust made him lose to who was previously his easiest opponent (his words) in Dustin Poirier. For your other video where you went into ring rust where you basically said statistically there’s no ring rust, but there’s also the case of people don’t have enough time to recover in between fights which also hurts their performance. With exceptions, people do best with 4-10 months in between fights. There are definitely many variables that go into fights from both fighters and in the examples you listed ring rust wasn’t a significant factor, but that doesn’t mean ring rust doesn’t exist. But yea I do enjoy your content and most of your points were fair.
So nice to hear the factual reasons why GSP stepped away in the 1st place and why he relinquished the middleweight title.
The Diaz v Pettis one is a great example of timing. Had he fought him back in the day when he should have Pettis very likely would have taken that fight. The lay off mixed w/ time, wear and tear and mentality change are all factors. Same w/ the top pick. If that fight happened 4 years prior it would have been super 1 sided in GSPs favor, but the count improved his game a lot over that period and it made for a very good fight.
Can’t wait to see Ortega 5 year return in this case, im sure he’ll look better than ever
Side note GSP knew about Bisping's eye B4 we did
“15-0 with 6 straight wins” lol
I knew GSP would be number one on this list. He's the goat to me and he is a heck of a nice guy to took a picture with him at a club in Toronto he was little shorter than I expected but I know he kick my ass pretty fast lol.
I think you should do this video, but with ring rust being real.
"Ring rust isn't real, because a can crusher crushed a can!" That's ridiculous, O'Malley might as well been in the gym.
Just now realizing Khabibs father talked him out of retiring and the first thing Khabib did when he died was retire 😂
First thing he did was fight. Second thing he did was win. Third thing he did was retire.
One quick question about jury. You said "at one point he was 15-0 with a 6 fight win streak" pretty sure that would make it a 15 fight win streak but math isn't always my strong suit!
I can think of two possibilities, first one being "6 fight win streak IN the UFC", and the second one is that there is a NC along the way
next do "10 Times Ring Rust Was Proven in MMA"
Hard for anyone who’s never fought to decide if ring rust is real
like GSP always said the fighter who fight best that night wins
ring rust or not when you're ready
you are ready !
I think it depends on the person weather ring rust affects them or not
Can y'all please bring back the MMA Legends series?
Who would you like to see on it? Been very seriously looking into it as of late and have written a script.
@@MMAOnPoint Maybe one of the Japanese legends like Sakuraba, Funaki or someone like Bas Rutten. I don't really care... just do what you guys do. 🙏
what song is used in the actual video, it's clearly not the one linked in the description
HEAD MOVEMENNTTTT
It really depend how in shape the fighter stayed
cruz v dillashaw was awesome
Horcher: I finally made it to the ufc, so who am I facing in my debut
Ufc matchmakers:.. 😅
Pettis Diaz fought was definetly a different Pettis than the one that went on the pre RDA tear. People act like both guys were in the same shape for that fight but they obviously werent.
I guess ring rust might be a factor, especially for less experienced fighters. Of course other factors shall influence the come back, like physical conditioning, quality of training partners, fighting style, proficiency in that style... Even psychological factors such as selfconfidence. These guys showed that you can overcome that, but maybe Cruz's victory over despicable Dillashaw might not be as debatable had he been more active, for example. We just can't know for sure.
why is this not on spotify?
I think the ortega situation is a little different. Cuz it was more like nobody expected him to strike and be a southpaw more like a huge gameplay change success 🤷🏻
South Korea should make exceptions to the military service requirement. Zombie was sidelined in his prime, his best days are behind him.
Counter video topic: Ring Rust is real 10 times fighters showed that.
Just fyi: Ostarine is a pretty mild PED but it doesn’t really put on much muscle, it’s mainly used to preserving muscle and strength when you are cutting weight. It’s the most mild SARM and women take it even. And it’s pronounced like AAST-A-REEN
i think its a case by case basis...everyone is different.
Damn I never knew that about O’Malley, wonder why his opponents don’t bring this up during press conferences
They found it to be tainted supplements, like four other people from his gym popped. The circumstances were very very weird. Everyone that popped served most of their time anyway due to arbitration but in the end it was ruled unintentional use.
I think it was from Jon Jones and Picograms? Jon's sentence got reduced from four years to eighteen months because he cooperated with USADA agents in their other investigations. USADA has a specific phrase for that but I can't remember it.
I think sarms are not quite yet classified as P.E.D. in the MMA sports and American rules sports in general. While the World doping agency has it under illegal substance, within American sports the classification isn't yet as cut dry.
Bro cmon most of them are on something anyway. They’re competing at the highest level of mixed martial arts. I’m not making excuses for him, but let’s be honest most of the guys are on some form of gear.
I think it depends on the person as far as ring rust goes
St Pierre would still smash the whole division out lol
But he was scared of Khabib!
Dude's too old now, let it go.
@@georgem3673 in what reality was he “scared” of Khabib?
anyone else notice song yadong in that first frame?
Let's wrestle is the best saying in mma
Idk some dudes come back and the first fight looks like a struggle yet the subsequent fights look better. Others look just as good as always. I think it depends on the person, style, and training method.
Yeah ring that absolutely exists, but it can manifest for different reasons and does not affect everyone. The guy who narrated this video is just oversimplifying it and looking for counterexamples that suit his bias
Andre Soccermom? 😂
Tamden McCrory should be #1! He came back after 5 years and ran straight through Brennan Ward in 21 seconds!
"Its ring generalism.." -Cruzy
GSP choking out a former light heavyweight Bisping after 4 years out of the game. It is unprecedented. Unthinkable . GSP was so far above everyone,even after that much time there was still a gap.
Lmao calling him a former LHW is just GSP d***riding. Bisping is significantly smaller than every top guy at LHW. He is no more of a LHW than GSP is a MW.
@@forwardmoving8252 agreed but the size difference was very evident and calling GSP at that point much more ahead to the rest is BS as well considering Bisping was obviously not the best guy in that division
@@forwardmoving8252 Bisping did compete at Light-Heavyweight earlier in his career and had a reasonable amount of success. But he did move down to Middleweight because he was a tad undersized, especially against the wrestlers of the division.
@@forwardmoving8252 Read that with the fact that GSP is smaller than most lightweights today.
So video idea….
I just seen where Joe rogan said once dana white leaves the ufc he’s done commentating leads me to wonder…. What will the ufc future look like? Who will do the jobs of the ones we are used too.. Dana white, Joe rogan, Bruce buffer, etc… it’ll be a completely different aura then.
O’Malley kept getting tainted Meth and kept failing 😂
I agree there is no such thing as ring except for pro wrestling where your location in the ring is important to the match at any given time. In MMA sure there are times when the octagon can be used as an advantage/disadvantage in which you are up against the steel mesh but it wouldnt lead to missing a planned spot.
I think peole mistake ring rust for what it actually is. Its a mix bag of different emotions like fear, anxiety, then add the adrenalin from the crowd, you are doing what you love, then the fight or flight instinct kicks in and you havent done this in years. Its a sort of type of stage fright that is mistaken for ring rust.
Yeah, that's called ring rust. 😆
Good today
It’s real for some but not all…. Really that simple
Who did Khabib fight? Everyone forgot.
Ahhh the great algorithm has brought us together once again , hello friends 👋🏻
12:20 Dominick "Chris" Cruz
Henry Cejudo should add himself to the list by coming back.
Say what you want about Cruz but he schooooled TJ so hard
It 1,000% depends on the style of matchup ring rust exists.
Head movement 🤣
Guys, it might seem racist because "the present" hello, but on 0:06 is that song yadong near the stairs on the right side?
We knew number 1 would be GSP.
A dude I train with fought for Fury.