The Rare Double Barrel Panther
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The Coelian or Flakpanzer 341 is one of the vehicles that was removed from the German tank tech tree. It's a pretty good SPAA, but not a great tank destroyer.
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The Rare Double Barrel Panther
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Have you tried the Yag-10 29-k?
m163 plss go brttt
As an AA main this is painful to watch but I love it
I miss this tank
They probably shouldn’t have removed because it at least had a wooden mockup. As far is I know though. The Ostwind 2 never even had one.
Ho - Ri Production never even had a mock up as far as I'm concerned
It is hilarious how gaijin removed this thing for being fake and replaced it with an even more fake vehicle
@@ArustwatDaGoatJapan needs any tanks it can get to fill the tech tree holes if the ho ri was German or Russian though it probably would be removed
The Ostwind 2 in game is apparently completely made up as well, War Thunder has a normal Ostwind turret with two cannons, while in reality it would have gotten a completely new turret.
Also it is not known wether a prototype was build or not, if there was one build no images exist.
(My source is Tank Encyclopedia btw)
The Ostwind II is so fake that the gun mount they gave it is wrong... The guns can't work in that configuration, since the shells of one gun would eject into the other gun. This is why the ground mount 3.7cm flakzwillings are arranged vertically, not horizontally. The naval mount however is arranged horizontally, but the guns are turned sideways so they feed from the top.
Fun fact, the '341' is actually the designation for the turret! The entire vehicle is actually called the Flakpanzer 554 :)
That's probably why they removed it, because their pride prevented them from changing the name
@tomppeli. They didnt change the name until they removed it
@@tomppeli.They changed the name of ADATS in the American ground tree to XM1069 recently, so it's not unheard of for them to acknowledge such a mistake.
@@Red_Four The Sfl (the premium 50mm smol tank) was also renamed down the line, since they confused it with a different vehicle with the same designation.
@@rafaelsousa5 they need to fix the designation of the T95, because the T28 was it's final designation, with or without its outer sections of track.
I love how spookston is still riding the high of killing a helicopter with the type 75 mlrs
He will have the recording play on his holo-tombstone when death finally takes him around 2077
@@TheByQQFallout reference?!!!
"You should strafe me, I'm open topped, I promise." has the same energy as those memes overlayed over one another where the text under it just says "I want to hurt you."
I hope that gaijin makes these removed vehicles available again for a limited time with the next anniversary event in November
@@jessegd6306 or grind for like a week of constant playing. No, thanks, I have a life to take care of.
Seriously it would MAKE MONEY!! They already have other bs tanks like the 2s38 these coming back for 2 days aint gonna hurt
@@TrueFastMag fr i really want these removed german vehicles, they look so dope
I would give you this vehicle if I could. It's really bad lol.
@@-Karnage Can't possibly be worse than the Skink.
The ingame Coelian is actually the paper Daimler-Benz and Krupp design that used Flak 44s. The Coelian that had the mockup turret built was the Rheinmetall-Borsig with a different turret and experimental 37mm Flak 341 cannons. Therefore, similarly to the Panther II, there is still the "real" version that could be added to the game.
What is the experimental flak 341 cannons and how do they differ from the flak 44?
@humzaakhtar9208 gets quad 20mm's instead I believe
When they removed the 341 it left a gap in the AA line for Germany that they never really filled would’ve be nice if they’d left this in over the ostwind II which never even existed in any aspect
they should just move the kugel back to 6.7
it had 1 prototype
German AA gap, really? Have u seen the US tree?
@@tamas7586with only a wooden turret, but at least it existed unlike the ho ri
@@curtsauce3947 US AA gap ? have you seen the french tech tree ? no seriously there is literally no aa beetween 4.3 et 8.3
Spook: "Did I mention I'm not good at SPAA"
Also Spook: *pilot snipes a P-51 with a battleship gun*
I was absolutely not expecting a video on this fine specimen of a *tank* But its a welcome surprise anyway, well done Spookston!
Man I wanna see all these removed vehicles come back again more often
8:31 bro you actually killed my friend there, like he just got lit up by some earlier planes and had his tail ripped off and was still flying and was seconds off dropping the bomb and you ripped his wing off
No hard feelings tho he since he was slamming your team
I'm mildly frustrated because of the stock belt, when you have access to the 100 % belts.
Since there is practically no reload, one could just change the ammunition type after the first shot if anticipated.
Also, the improved HE belt has Minengeschoss with the 914 m/s muzzle velocity!
Yeah that bothered me the whole video lol
I have over 700 battles in this thing, absolutely love this AA, and boy is it frustrating to see him just use stock belt.
Minengeschoss will literally oneshot any aircraft if it connects
@@christiankim2405Almost any, I’ve had planes take hits from it before albeit not without obvious damage
8:13 Oppenheimer denied 🚫
Hello Spookston! I think you should try the 8 shot, 8 kill challenge. basically you need to get 8 kill with only 8 shot in the su 5-1. (day 2)
or that one italian tank also with only 8 rounds
@@Wiiguy13the 90/53, it would probably be a lot more viable in that thing because of how hilariously overkill a naval 90mm is at 3.7
@@heretichazelIt isnt a naval cannon. It was designed as an anti aircraft cannon and then used as a naval and anti tank cannon.
@@bzorf5984 should've been more specific lol, yeah I meant a naval AA cannon
The new "hi" sound effect is my favorite thing on this planet and i demand more. It makes me smile everytime. 10/10
Man the editing in these videos is just getting so much better. I don’t play warthunder anymore havent for years but I still tune in to your videos. You create such entertaining and smooth content it’s a credit to you. The sound effects and memes that pop up really have gotten so good. Love the videos man props to you!
You know which tank also has two barrels?
The R3 T106 FA!
He did it!
@@TheEpicNoob the highlight of my career
Spookston:telling the difference between the sound of a bt-5 engine and a bt-42 engine. Me who can't tell the difference between a prop plane and a Sherman Jumbo's engine
That nuke denial is DIRTY.
The thing with SPAA fire is you have to 'run a buzzsaw' on the enemy plane. Essentially instead of trying to aim perfectly for the plane by leading it and following along its trajectory, you aim well ahead of its expected flightpath and 'walk' the fire into it by moving opposite/into its trajectory. That way you're much more likely to intersect and hit it, since you're basically laying down a wall of fire for the plane to run into, rather than trying to pull lead along the flightpath which is much harder to adjust. This works particularly well with high rate of fire weapons.
I think what makes this so much more fun to play is the really good turret rotation speed of 56.4 on expert vs the Ostwind II meager 32.9
8:14 that was probably the first time ever he had a nuke. Gaijin really has to do something to help players drop nukes, because more often than not they either get shot down by planes (sometimes friendly smh), or by SPAA (also sometimes friendly), or the match comes to an end.
edit: he was a console player too, so double the difficulty
yeah, feel really bad
Nukes shouldn't even be a thing in game. I don't care how good one guy is doing. Nobody should be able to decide the match is over for everyone.
@@sethmiller2532 nah its fun
@@ApplezzMapping Only for the person who uses it, and I couldn't value that less.
@@sethmiller2532 i mean, respectfully, maybe you're just bad?
8:23 is the first time i hear spookston scream from happiness playing this game
Still wish this was obtainable, given the *now* massive BR/tech gap between an Ostwind II at 5.3, and the next AA being the KugelBlitz at 7.0
Also:
Spookston drives past enemy Point B 5:55
Spookston is then surprised a German Main drives past enemy Point B 10:24
Wow, that must really suck for you...
@@keithrogers6876 France?
@@darrenong9064 yep, lol
@@keithrogers6876 my sympathies lmao
This actually had a prototype. It existed, or atleast a full scale wooden mockup.
The Ostwind II has no proof of ever leaving paper and quite possibly came from after the war, and even if it did come from Germany, the one in game is 100% made up by gaijin as the game has a different turret and the gun configuration is wrong.
11:17
Spookston: w-what are you…
???: Death.
Fun fact of the old coelian: When i was doing SQB (old 6.7 only), 1 of our coelian manage to kill 2 is6 from the front.
How?
Doing trapshots under the gun, boncing like the panther A/D actually.. Yup i miss this time
It still happens btw, I actually did just that a week ago, more or less
I can confirm that it was possible. Back in good old days I managed to kill some IS6s (and some other heavy tanks aswell) with Coelian :D
i love how this thing (which has an actual mockup) was removed and the zerstörer 45 was added.
the zerstörer 45 did not have a mockup or development drawing to my knowledge, also as a flakpanzer 4 variant it would most likely receive a 3cm flakvierling in a wirbelwind type turret, not the möbelwagen skirts
Tbh I would like gaijin to introduce vehicles that at least had mockups built, especially for underrepresented vehicles types like SPAAs. It wouldn’t help the fundamental problems with SPAA but having more of them that better fit the power scale of your lineup instead of massively uptiering one just to have it (like France) would definitely have some positive effect. If they make them premiums then that would defeat the purpose though.
Bro, i use Wirbelwind at 6.7 xD, Ostwinds hit hard but the velocety just feels so damn slow...
Taking down planes with AA really needs a points buff. Regularly bagging 10-15 planes in a match, and having less points than someone with 1 ground kill and 1 assist is just painful.
you should have used M.Gr.18 to shoot down planes it has more tnt and velocity than Spgr.18 used in mixed belts
The pure joy in Spookstons voice playing SPAA was aweesome, especially shooting down the nuke
Imagine if that was that guys first nuke the pain he felt getting shot down would have hurt so bad
Indeed. May every nuke be shot down without dropping.
9:17 One must image the ST-A2 happy
Open top tank exists, CAS: “So you have chosen, death”
I think the reason germany lose that much ( as a german gb player myself ) is because we kinda stop playing the objective since The chances of actually capping are very low because of the lack of support
So at the end you end up worrying more about getting kills and rp than to wining because we assume the game is already lost
Lack of what kind of support?
@@smokecrash2147CAS
@@smokecrash2147
The rest of your team is ignoring the caps because they'd rather skirt the edge of the map to try and get shots on the enemy spawn.
@@nercksrule exactly , eventually you get tired of getting your ass whooped by the enemy , the cost benefit is not worth it under those odds ,most times i found myself outnumber and outplayed just trying to get to the objective.
This
-Doktor! Activate my boowomp inhibitors!
-B-but Spookston, why? It's insane!
-Because we're playing SPAA!
Now that you’ve mentioned the AuF1, you’re now obligated to play it. Also havent done a 4.0+ French video in a while pretty sure
That "oh we got it!" Was the most enthusiastic and happy I've ever heard spookston
If you're up to it, some other SPAA video would be cool. Some dual purpose vehicles in mid tiers, something like Phong Khong, SUB I-II, ZSU 57 etc. Very nice to see burning planes and shredded tanks
Bro was so happy to get the Nuke. I always thought it was some sort of unspoken rule to never shoot down the bro with the nuke.
That air kill of the nuke b29 was dirty 😂. Nice video as always.
I hope every nuke gets shot down.
13:33 that laugh was somewhere between humor and evil and I’m here for it.
The 37 mm guns on the ostwind and this panther are probably some of the most powerful anti air cannons in the game to me, it doesn't matter how big the target if i get a single shot on it always feels like a one hit kill
Demolishes air targets with a single hit, but the AP is so anemic, it is comical.
@@Squeaky_Ben ya the ap rounds are just trash even at 1.0 the German 37 is underwhelming. But them HE shells fuck shit up i love them.
@@duke0salt717 it is straight unbelievable to me how bad they are, especially because the 40mm bofors has AP that I find just fine.
FYI the upgraded HE rounds have much higher muzzle velocity and explosive filler and would be a much better choice for shooting planes. There's no reload time so there's no advantage to using the default belts.
3:15 Sid from ice age makes another appearance
the trick to SPAA is to not fire until the plane is in a good position to shoot, best if they're close to you but if they're far wait till they go to strafe something and fire along the line of tracers in front of them to lead, you wont hit high up planes because of dispersion and round travel time + space between the rounds so you're wasting ammo unless you're trying to bait them
You can regularly hit planes from 2km+ away if you really learn the velocities and energies involved with every factor, it's really just a memorization thing
Please play the Kpz-70. Even though the dart was nerfed, the thing is insanely mobile with an autoloader, so if you play as a light tank and do flanks you slap the enemy
That nuke cockblock was personal, evil and toxic damn I loved it
I do believe that the cannons are very similar, if not the exact same guns as mounted on the Ju 87 Gs
Which would make them eligible for APCR belts of some sort
Edit: At least the cartridge length is equal in both
The 341 project had its own guns (not in the game) with a much more respectable 1050m/s velocity even for the APHE, no APCR needed tbh
@@bighobo7745 That's news to me!
@@tomppeli. Not that much documentation survived the war in addition to it being a one-off prototype that was also cancelled. It's kind of a shame considering the design showed great potential as it only had some smaller issues in testing.
Wow! A video where Spookston *DIDN’T* get killed by CAS! Congratulations!
To german mains, the objective of warthunder is to spawncamp
Spookston, killing that nuke was low. Killing the nuke ain’t cool, even if it’s the enemy. He earned that AND he wasn’t getting TK’d either.
how could you shoot down a nuke.....
At my VFW we have a WW2 Vet who manned AA Guns. I joked with him about how bad I am at AA in Warthunder, he told me that during the war they weren't really expected hit be able to hit shit. Destroying or damaging a plane was a good day, but his whole goal was to make it to hard for the pilot too hit them.
Challenge for Spookston after ruining someones' nuke:
*Get a kill in the nuke plane*
8:20 i never saw Spookston excited like this
10:07 basically just ww2
"I'm so bad at using SPAA"
Bro, you still are more effective than all the spaa in my team
8:57 Proof the Swedish invented tailless aircraft
The Sisyphus meme absolutely killed me
I can never aim the 37mm guns, the fire rate and low velocity remind me of the Duster or M19. Maybe I'm just stuck on the ease of using 20mm guns but that being said can you play the early M4A2? It's one of the highlights of low tier
The German 37mm has Mines and your shit isn't a butt naked rickety toilet. It's so much better.
my favorite part of this video was when spookston noted the spaa t22. giving us false hope that gaijin would care
The Kugelblitz has been on 7.0 for a while now but this thing on a PANTHER HULL is simply 6.3
Mk-103 has better ballistics than these annoying 37mms
@@destroyerarmor2846They also have way more pen.
At the same time I don't think it deserves to be at 7.0.
It's really not good at that br.
They did change it to 6.7 for a while but reverted it of course
@@destroyerarmor2846its ammo capacity is extremely limited in comparison.
8:19 is the most excited i've ever heard Spook
Imagine an april fools event where all the removed vehicles are re-added for only a specific game-mode then after that locked again forever.
Dude the German 37mm is notorious for just killing stuff randomly. Like you can pen stuff that you never should be able to for no reason
day 9 of asking for pantsir
The most excitement i hav ever heard in spooks voice after taking down that B-29
Day 16 of asking for DF105 video.
Idk why I love the "hai :3" sound effect so much
Soviets get two OP cold war SPAA at 5.3 and 6.3, but Germany gets the Flak Panther removed and the Kugelblitz moved to 7.0 for, reasons...
The first plane kill bone snapping sound got me giggling like a child
Knowing Spook’s vengeance against planes, i would of thought that he would be good at the counter to them,
spookston the type of guy that will shoot nuke plane, which is so hard to get and most people never even had a chance to drop nuke
Now with Ostwind II...the Panther AA looks like just a bigger bulkier brother
You Could really hear spookston joy in his voice when he shoot Down CAS..
Spookston- *hates cas*
Also spookston- "I'm really bad at using spaa"
6:54, theres dual versions of that mount on the Des Moines, Newport News, and Pittsborough. The naval ones have longer barrels though I am pretty sure, either way I'd LOVE to see that thing in ground. Had no idea they put that on a tank.
Ehh you're 1 mm off there bud to which iirc that automatic artillery piece had a different designation then the 3"/50 Mk.22 cannons (Mount Mk.33/34/27) found on the three CA's you've mentioned + the the crap tonne of Destroyer Escorts, three Destroyers & one gunboat.
Although they're terrible cannons in NF especially on the Destroyers & Destroyer Escorts as their main armament & the ammunition costs for them (Ohh boy here I go spending 6700 sl for 900 useless shells)...
8:21 First time I see him that excited. lmao
FYI German 37mm autocannons do have one tiny area on the side of T-34s where they can pen - right to the left of the the front large wheel if the T-34 is driving left to right like in the Test Drive.
It only works (or worked, it's been a while since the Sd Kfz 6/2 was high enough BR to meet T-34s) when the T-34 is perfectly side-on.
8:22 most excited Spook i ever heard
I can never seem to find anyone who remembers it but there was a time where the coelian had an HVAP belt that had the same pen values as the HVAP belt on the G model Stukas, that pen being around 100mm last i looked, and that made the coelian terrifying to literally everything around for like a month before they removed the belt, gave the 37mms a nerf and then a while later just flat removed the Coelian from the Tech tree
One of my biggest regrets in WT is that I did not get the Coelian. I got screwed over when it traded places in the tech tree with the Kugelblitz. I was currently researching the Kugelblitz when the switch happened so the Coelian just got skipped and I just never went back to research the Coelian because I didn't need to for progression in the tech tree. Had I known they'd remove it I would have gone back and researced it. Oh well, at least I have the Maus.
I always get more AA kills with the M24 using the Browning mg than when I play actual AA. I think it's simply because with the Chaffee I don't need to be scared that I won't be able to kill a tank if I stumble onto one
You should try the m19a1 for some me reason it’s extremely tanky and can deal with anything at its BR minus the Churchill and KV1s and 2s. But I can disable them.
@@crazycarnut1313 Oh isn't that the AA before the Duster? Yea it's great, I do think you can kill a KV-2 either under the mantlet or behind the turret under the ammo somewhere, it's relatively thin I believe
I've said this before, but I really enjoy your style of editing.
Aaaand my challenge given to you of "play ten games without complaining about CAS" has immediately been failed XD
There is a function in the game called "turret inertia" and it is most noticeable on turrets with fast traverse speeds but are *relatively* heavy.
Petition for spookston to play the chi-ha short gun attempt #7
That 10p screenshot is somehow MORE clear than 2023 alien footages .
CAS players were horrified the day Spookston decided to play SPAA - sweet revenge. 9:21 - or not.
I still enjoy taking out the Coelian 😊. I miss planes like you and spend more time supporting heavy tanks and shooting light vehicles.
Nice shot on that nuke. I also don’t blame the player for leaving.
They corrected (nerfed) the armament for the German anti air a while back - I recall even the Wirbelwind used to have 64mm of pen which made it fun even as a regular vehicle but now with the reduced pen its only really good for anti-air
I like how he argued about how bad he is shooting down plane and then a few seconds he gets a kill
1:36 German main here. Completely agree. They don’t call it Panther syndrome for no reason
Spook's strategy for SPAA success: say "I'm so bad at this" and he immediately gets the kill
Ah yes I'm super excited for the Spooky mans Heavy Tank number 6 video
11:46 Spook: Dormammu I've come to bargain.
That nuke player about to start a personal vendetta.
we need either a scorpion or a scimitar in game! And I would love to have a Chieftain SID as a premium or battle pass vehicle