One of the greatest moments in TNG, or Star Trek in general (at least from an acting perspective), is Sir Patrick Stewart at 8:05 with "THERE... ARE... FOUR... LIGHTS!"
That was a sign of utter stupidity. Disgraceful arrogance. If someone has you in captivity, you shouldn't be an ass. Even the DOD has come to this; no longer are prisoners supposed to act up and be totally uncooperative. That led to many tragedies. Today, you're not supposed to betray anything but should be superficially cooperative...
I talked with Connor Trinneer at a Con in Canada a few years ago. He had not seen or heard of the TH-cam Fan Edit of These Are the Voyages... with all the TNG Pegasus Riker/Troi stuff removed. The next day at the Con he saw me walk by his booth and thank me for telling him about it. He ended up watching it that first night of the Con at his hotel and enjoyed it much more.
@john templeplate Would be interesting... To have so much of your life recorded with so much detail, then played back with such clear resolution to someone in the future.
The one that passed me off most would probably be the one where Harry Kim gets read the riot act for not getting a permission slip to have relations with an alien...ignoring that Star-trek characters have been banging their way across the cosmos with no repercussions for decades.
Normally, it probably would've only been a minor infraction, but Harry Kim is Captain Janeway's "Golden Boy" and so... she's gonna take that shit personally! You just know she watches him sleep, at night, in his quarters. Sitting in some dark corner of his cabin. Visible only by the soft glow of her cigarette. Debating whether or not to have him "fixed" by The Doctor. 🤔 CHEERS! 🍸😂🚬
@@SM-si2ui to be fair. It’s likely Riker was like *taps combadge* “Captain, permission to initiatiate contact?” “Yes number one, make sure to fill out the report and go see Dr. Crusher when your done”
Plato’s Stepchildren is a very important episode for me because of the lesson it taught me and it had nothing to do with the kiss. Lt. Uhura was my first crush. But the lesson l was taught had to do with the little person. Kirk asks him if there are any more like him on the planet. The guy thought the same thing l did. Little people. But Kirk didn’t notice his height. He was talking about his lack of telekinetic power. I felt so ashamed of myself for thinking that, that l burst into tears. It was an extraordinarily humbling moment for me. I vowed then and there never to look at a person and judge by appearance alone. And l never have. I owe this mindset to Trek and Gene Roddenberry. A debt l can never repay.
tripleb221 - I love your comment. There are moments in each of our lives that help to define the person we'll ultimately become. It's good that you have such a clear memory of this, it's something to cherish. :)
Glad to see the Icheb killing top the list. It was a pointless death of a young character that could have been used in the future. He had an incredibly rich back story. Frankly, I thought the series had other gratuitous violence in it. They didn't have to kill off Hugh. And it was great to see Deanna and Will together... oh, but they had a son who died. Just... unnecessary.
Stardust City Rag made me stop watching Picard, I haven't gone back to it yet. I might someday. But killing off Icheb was just so not necessary, there are so many other ways you can develop Seven of Nine's character.
Icheb's death at least had some meaning to it in setting up Seven's story. But they should have delved into it more - that the problem with shorter seasons. And having Riker and Troi's son die was tragic but hugely important to their storyline and the storyline of that season. Also this is a grief that many people go through, so it's great that it's represented in Trek. Hugh's death however was unnecessary and brought nothing at all to the story.
@@sisteriris4131Trust me you definitely want to watch season 3. Its almost a soft reboot, and man is it good. It has some of the highest ranked episodes of any Star Trek.
While I can't remember the episodes name, one of the ones that pissed me off has to be when they erased Kurns memory and undid all of his character development with Worf
That particular episode becomes even worse later on when Worf regains his standing with the Klingon Empire and even has the chance to be Chancellor, which makes the events of Sons of Mogh pointless
Yeah, I don't know if it was the worst but it pissed me off for a few reasons. Tony Todd as Kurn gave us a glimpse as to what Worf would be like if he was raised a Klingon. He is also an awesome actor, I have no idea why the show didn't utilize him more as a recurring character. It also would have been fitting if he was the one to challenge and kill Gowron considering it was Kurn who supported him and put him in power to begin with. Gowron owed Kurn everything and he used Worf as an excuse to remove him from power.
@@Bitchslapper316 yeah, I like Tony Todd. Even his voice is awesome. There’s a reason he’s the voice of Zoom in The Flash series. Ironically, Michael Dorn voiced a bad guy’s masked face on Arrow
I suspect that Seven of Nine to become somewhat of a problem in Seasons 2 of Picard as she has a violent, vengeful streak. This is going to clash with Picard's Starfleet sensibilities and will most likely play a big part of the plot for Seasons 2 imo. Especially when Picard discovers what Seven of Nine has been doing behind his back. Right now he's probably not aware that she has killed A LOT of people.
Or the exterior, for that matter. A double saucer section with space between is just crazy. You want to go from 10-Forward (which I assume has a different name, or maybe that's the "mess hall" they seem to spend all their time in) to the Bridge? Okay, first go ALL the way around the outer saucer section to the rear section. Now go into the "neck" section. Now you can finally go to the inner saucer section. And from what I can see, you have to go THROUGH THE BRIDGE to access the inner saucer. What?! No wonder Linus got lost trying to teleport to the mess hall once they got the new upgraded badges in the future. I won't even touch on the spinning thing, that's just a plate on top and bottom, they could have still done that with a proper saucer. And don't even get me started on that stunt they pulled disconnecting the nacelles somehow improving maneuverability.
@blue I'm gonna blaspheme all over your Trek head cannon like it's a poor little Japanese girl's face and my blaspheme is... well I think people get it: I actually don't mind the different looks of the Klingons(it IS weird seeing as this is in the same timeline as Klingons with smooths head and the ones with the ridges but since Discovery TELEPORTS THROUGH FREAKING SPACE different Klingons is moot!
I do agree here, I find it an unsatisfactory last scene. The episode overall I like, but I would have loved just a moment of them arriving back in a Starfleet facility. Although thematically, Voyager was their home, and i do understand them staying on board for the closing shot
I mean... it kinda fits the entirety of Voyager's run in that way when you think about it. Inconsistent with itself, deus ex machina galore, weak ending, and no character development.
I like how SF Debris summed that up. Paraphrasing from memory; "It's like they saw all the complaints about DS9's finale having too much denouement and decided to overcompensate by not giving Voyager any."
I think there should have been at least one or two more episodes beyond Endgame. I mean, perhaps one that is like a "debriefing" of the crew, and then another one showing the crew re-integrating with life and family/friends back on Earth. It seems that with Endgame, it was a rather abrupt ending.
@@alanmcclenaghan7548 to me the sci fi in alien is all well and good The horror and mutilation parts were just that: some horror and mutilation. It drove the story, sure, but it exists in all genres
Janeway did what she had to do for the good of the many (the rest of the crew), that's why she has the 4 pips, and - euphemistically - that's why she gets paid the big bucks
I liked it, every once in a while it makes the characters seem more real when they don't "win". There was no right choice for janeway, and while she reasoned that 2 officers were of more value than 1, the fact is...she wanted her friend back. She made an emotional choice. I don't think the writers meant for certain episodes to be "liked", they were meant to provoke thought and discussion.
@@lauranolastnamegiven3385 Yeah but, she didn't even try. Way back in 2369 Starfleet learned about the possibility of duplicating complete transporter patterns by using two annular confinement beams at a planet with a semi-permeable atmosphere during a lightning storm. The whole series has long held the importance of an individual's right to make their own decisions - as does ethics - and I'm sure Tuvix would have gladly risked death for the possibility of saving all 3 of them.
@@lauranolastnamegiven3385 Sometimes she did what was best for the crew, sometimes she was a stubborn prime-directive adherent, sometimes she was a diplomat, sometimes an action hero. The writers could never decide what she was.
Out of all those, only Enterprise's "Finale" genuinely ticks me off. I was appalled the first time I saw it and have refused to watch it since. Trip is still alive, married to T'Pol and they are going to have a hilarious spinoff comedy featuring their wacky matrimony.
There’s a book that reveals what really happened and how Section 31 covered up those events. Thus, what Riker experiences are reconstructions of faked records
Incredibly disrespectful to the cast and everything the writers built up to that point. To be a Next Gen footnote. Just finished Enterprise (again) and it’s actually disheartening that it was even considered as an approach. Enterprise became one of the best Trek’s ever in seasons 3 and 4.
The Next Generation Writters had to “holo deck” Enterprise and its fans right in the ass on the way out the door. It’s unforgivable, just like Kennedy and Star Wars.
No, Trip is dead, T'Pol never married but had children with Koss. She also happen to have a human gardener named Michael Kenmore who eat with her and her children for every meal.
The problem with killing Icheb, wasnt about killing Icheb. Manu Intiraymi (the real Icheb) talked about it in an interview. During the pre-production of Picard, He and Jeri Ryan (7 of 9) where asked to come back and possible had a death scene for Icheb. He was curious to play it. But the days passed by and he wasnt called again. Someday Jeri phoned him and basically said something like "Im sorry Manu, we did Ichebs death today, but i had to swear, not to tell you". He said he later found out what happened. At the time he was a twitter "friend" to Kevin Spacey. (Before all came out) Thats why the showrunners called someone who didnt even look like Icheb and did the most brutal Death possible. not to Icheb but in a matter of speaking to Manu himself.
Wow all because he was 'friends' with someone bad on twitter :( that should have had no bearing on this. Like just being friends with someone on a social channel doesn't mean your best mates and chat all the time! It is just a contact. Probably added at some sort of networking award thing once years ago.
It's main redeeming quality, at least to me, is that it very clearly shows that Evolution has no goals. It has no set path. Evolution simply is, and there is no guarantee that, whatever we become over the next billion years, we will still be sophisticated civilization builders. We are entirely beholden to Evolution and wherever circumstance takes us. Even if that means we become giant salamanders on some wet hot planet in the far reaches of the galaxy.
Part of the cause of the CA wildfires is their refusal to prune back the brush to let the forest change naturally. The universe is ruled by entropy.. “Things fall apart. The center cannot hold.” We have to manage things - like government or income equality or culture. I hadn’t thought of this before, but probably the biggest cause of our imminent societal collapse is the realization of the 60’s laissez-faire attitude in every part of society.
@@skepticalfaith5201 A lot of it was also the fact that, due to the standard policy of not letting wildfires burn as they usually did, underbrush and deadfall accumulated. As a result, when fire did come, the fires burned hotter, destroying the forest instead of scorching it as it usually did.
@@Lachdonin Evolution is random and on a species level not individual. And certainly not with two individuals in the exact same way. Literally every aspect of Trek evolution is contrary to reality. It always has been, and trying to tell a story in any way resembling our reality is dumb and counter-productive for actual education.
But whenever they talk about how groundbreaking Kirk kissing Uhura was, they always neglect to mention the part that the kiss was against either of their wills and was forced by the enemy who thought it was funny to make them do it.
That's not surprising at all. While Star Trek is overall a pretty interesting concept and fun to watch, the fact remains that it is often times used as a platform to push liberal idealism, and liberal idealists are very good at ignoring inconvenient and embarassing little details like that. Case in point I was just watching a video a few weeks ago that was talking about how the media was covering the story of this woman and her poly amorous relationship with like four dudes and what a happy family they were, and how they were all equally the father of the baby she had and such. What wasn't so widely covered was when one of the dudes wound up in jail for abusing the child.
@@darkprinc979 Guy, I already know all of that. I just point these things out innocuously because it's easier to get people to read simple condensed truths rather than write a whole paragraph. Star Trek is like 80% utopian liberal propaganda and 20% "scifi", and the reason why there will never be any good new Star Trek ever again is because neoliberal capitalism is failing both culturally and economically.
@@DioBrandoWRYYYYYY While it's good that you understand, I think it is worth expanding the thought for the sake of anyone that comes by to read these comments, even if it's only a few. One of the major problems of modern culture is that many people's thought processes are far too compressed, which is why they can so easily fall into the trap of the liberal utopian myth. When you compress things too much you lose detail, and in communication terms that would be nuance, and when you lose nuance you lose the ability to properly think an idea through because everything becomes too black and white. That is the goal of politically correct speech, and it is a concept that was covered in George Orwell's "1984", as a prediction of one of the methods used by socialists to make the populace into mind-slaves. I don't know if you've ever read the book, but if not I would highly recommend it, as it is *highly* relevant to current events despite having been written in the '80s.
@@darkprinc979 1984 is actually not a good prediction of the future, it's just more or less what soviet russia was like, and the world elite doesn't actually want to institute communism again because the current model of neoliberal capitalism is more effective as a means of control because it provides distractions and misdirection through the illusion of choice as long as they get to select what the available choices are going to be while also generating profit, and there are many more devious and far more subtle forms of social engineering at play here. I don't mean to be rude, but 1984 is baby tier. Everyone knows that book, and Animal Farm, and Brave New World, and while still worth reading, they are a bit outdated and not actually that profound or applicable to what's going on now. Try reading "Industrial Society And It's Future" by Ted K and I'm sure your mind will be blown in to 7 rainbow color pieces.
@@DioBrandoWRYYYYYY I'm aware that 1984 is essentially entry level stuff, but when speaking in a public forum with various levels of understanding you stick to the basics. I disagree with your point that 1984 is not that applicable to what is going on, however. What we see going on in the world today may not match 1984 down to the smallest of details, but many of the broader concepts in that book are very real. Even Fahrenheit 451 to a much lesser degree has some accuracy. Rather than the government actively destroying any and all books, the general populace is being trained over time to have a smaller and smaller attention span, to the point that many people choose not to read because they have no patience for it. I have never read Animal Farm or Brave New World so I can't speak to what they have to say.
seems like it is only racist if you assume the alien race depicts a modern day race or culture. If you watch the episode thinking that the alien race depicts cultures that existed more in the past, rather than today, then it is an interesting view as you watch the crew try to deal with them on their terms...even though they don't agree with their ways. And dealing with alien cultures with very different values, values the crew don't share or even hate is pretty common in trek.
@@999benhonda Yeah, I understand why they think it's racist. I just think they are blowing it all out of proportion. If they hadn't made them of an African style culture it wouldn't have been racist in their eyes.
It's one of those episodes that at this stage almost transcends itself. It's just....it is what it is, and I think we either accept that we'll skip it on a rewatch, or grab that bottle of tequila and play the drinking game!
And in These are the Voyages not to mention killing off Trip Tucker...ridiculous (although books have him in Section 31 but why does it have to take others to fix this!)
Because people who don't like "trek" are the writers- and they wanted to prevent any movies from ever being made. It was intentional sabotage of the series.
@@larrytrail2865 Actually it was the production company that didn't like Enterprise. They're the ones that killed off, and were most likely responsible for the ending. Well the jokes on them. Apparently within a year they ended up wiping about 50%-75% off their profit margins because of it. That's why they did the Abrams-verse reboots.
Those Romulan War books were excellent... I like to think that would have been the next season of the show had they not been canceled... And watch, some network suit said 'another season long war arc, advertisers won't buy it." But the fans would!
I saw an interview with Gene Rodenberry and Nichelle Nichols where they said, "the network didn't receive any complaints about the interracial kiss, NOT ONE." Nichols said they only letter they got was from a guy in the south who said, "If Kirk is going to kiss Uhura, who am I to say no. You said they received many complaints, well I'd believe them long before I'd believe you.
Many regional stations didn't want to air the IR kiss episode because they thought they'd lose viewers over it but when it finally aired, although the stations got complaints these were not nearly as many as they thought they'd recieve and their viewership didn't much change.
The thing that ticked me off about The Kiss is that Kirk was fighting it so much. Captain Lover Boy rejecting a chance to kiss a hottie like Uhura? Please!
@@momkatmax If I remember correctly, it wasn't exactly Kirk himself kissing Uhura, since Kirk was under some kind of alien influence at the time of the kiss. I presume that's how it was justified for television in the first place.
It was the biggest middle finger to actual fans of the show. It was just starting to get into a good story before they got cancelled. It should have been #1
The Number 1 on this list is absolutely deserved. Born out of mean spirited twitter drama, and writers who would rather be writing something else than Star Trek
Yep. This was the episode that finished me with 'Picard'. Not only because of the violence done to Icheb, but that a Starfleet Officer would simply 'disappear', and that there would be no search for, or outrage coming from Starfleet - or Janeway, for that matter. And although it may be addressed in later episodes - what about Chakotay? In the final episode(s) of 'Voyager'; it's said that he was never the same after Seven's death - the prevention of which seemed like one of Janeway's motivations for returning to a past Voyager. What happened there...?
That kind of gore just doesn't belong in Star Trek in my opinion. It added nothing to the scene. It was over the top and nearly ruined the show for me.
@@zunnoab all the examples shown in this video shown around that, vaporisations, Picard stabbed through the heart, numerous scenes of torture and gore through out the fanchise, as well as far more drawn out torture scenes show that this IS something that Trek has ALWAYS done. The only difference is that there is currently a huge antifandom industry surrounding any new iterations of old franchises. Trek, Star Wars, Transformers, numerous computer game franchises... If it's old enough to get a 'new' show or game then the antifandom has hundreds of you tubers and twitter twits willing to try making money off hating anything produced no matter the quality or the attention to Canon. I remember the first article I read about Picard spent almost two thousand words trashing everything about the show... and the only thing announced was the NAME. Trek has always screwed up the first season of any show. It takes time to build characters and find it's feet. TOS didn't start to shine until the end of the second season, TNG wasn't really worthy of any praise until the third season. DS9 plodded along trying not to be obvious that it was a rip off of Babylon 5 until it finally started finding it's own identity around mid season 2. Voyager was probably the best on arrival until Discovery, but still needed a lot of breaking in before it got good. Enterprise just tried to be the adventures of proto kirk before realising that that wouldn't be enough. It was cancelled just as it was becoming something special. Discovery, one of the most Canon-conscious entries in the entire franchise gets wholly criticised by folk claiming plot holes who just don't understand the lore themselves. Picard was good. Not great. It missed beats, started themes it then ignored or wrapped up too quickly and was massively too deferential to TNG characters who really didn't deserve it. Yet, again, first season. I expected Picard to get lost in nostalgia. The fact is Icheb was a dull, one dimensional character that was nothing more than an extension of 7 of 9's struggle to reclaim her humanity. It was wholly appropriate that he be sacrificed to explore a further character arc shift for 7. That it was a depiction of gore? Well what about Picard dissecting crew members to get borg components or the death of the borg queen to corrosive gas? It'd be nice to watch some of these franchises and the media around them without every comment section being solid walls of hate and factually incorrect criticism.
That first episode of Enterprise, when they try to establish that Qo'nos is 4 days away from Earth at mid warp drives me crazy. That would place Qo'nos, like what, 7 seconds away from Earth at high warp?
@@shtcare Warp 5 (the max for Enterprise in this series) is 125 x speed of light. (warp factor to the power of 3) TNG, DS9 and VOY calculate the warp factor to the power of 3.3333333. So simple Equation to solve for distance and you can see how close Q'onos would have to be to Earth. It's actually even worse, because the ship at This point in the series could really only hit warp 4.7 or 4.8 tops, and we really don't know for how long. Likely not four days. Which means they'd have to go maybe warp 4 (64c) and put Q'onos even closer (about 0.175 light years if my math is correct).
Maybe they weren’t considered terrible at the time but “The Child” and “Sub Rosa” are two episodes which stand out as problematic from TNG. of course, the decision to murder Tuvix to split him back into Tuvok and Neelix in “Tuvix” is pretty controversial, too.
I second Sub Rosa, though mostly because it felt like an entirely different show belonging to a series that wasn't Star Trek. Season Seven had some weird episodes. Remember that one with Data and the sun and moon and some other weird shit taking over the Enterprise and turning into a temple or something...yeah season seven was odd to say the least.
@@joshuaweston4489 I believe that episode (in case you were wondering) was called "Masks". Yeah I felt that one was a bit out of place. But in the last few episodes of TNG, it was pretty obvious they were running out of ideas although most ST series go for 6-7 seasons (with the exception of TOS which only was 3 seasons or around 36 episodes total I think).
It pissed me off when Jadzia was written off cuz the actress wanted less screentime like wth, Jadzia coulda just had a baby and got sent back to Trill or due to complications or something. even my grandmother walked by the screen in horror and she doesn't even watch the show.
@@dmclegg66 I thought she was such a bad replacement. Like had she just appeared in one episode to show that Dax was still living on and to make peace with the DS9 crew then move on to something else it would have been okay. But her staying ruined things because Jadzia played the role so well and was loved and her replacement didn't live up to the Dax Symbiont.
What pissed me off was when "logical" and "scientific" Spock went all anthropocentric in _The Trouble with Tribbles_ when he called them "useless". As a "science-minded individual" he'd know that a species only has to be useful _to itself_, not to humans (or Vulcans). They were obviously a rather successful species, so .... so they breed a lot, at least they don't have to beg to Unicef to keep it up.
That's true! And, evidently, they serve as a major food source on their home planet. And "not useful" can be applied to any animal that is kept as a pet.... even the Sehlat!
@@alphanerd7221 1. You are confused about the difference between sentient and sapient. Animals are sentient. Humans and Vulcans are sapient. And humans can be sold, too, therefore, humans can also be useless (the slave who refuses to work, for instance. Might as well kill it, it's useless.)
For me the biggest issue in Stardust City Rag isn’t that it is dark, but it is a tonal mess. It starts with poor Icheb getting his eye yanked out, has Picard and crew dressing up in silly costumes and using silly accents in the middle, then has Seven killing someone in cold blood at the end. I’m not saying you can’t inject a little humor in a dark story, but in this case the different acts felt completely disconnected from each other.
I agree, but tonal mess aside, Icheb is brought back only to be brutally tortured. I hate dumb camp, but I'll take that over torture porn. Nevermind Star Trek is supposed to be optimistic too. DS9 could get dark without going to some of those places. Maybe with the shift in American politics, they eventually get back to that.
My jaw hit the ground watched “in the pale moon light! One of the best Trek episode ever made! In war all is fair to a point but sometimes one could reason their way thru anything.
@@Slopmaster Interestingly, Up The Long Ladder pissed me off for racism, but Code Of Honor pissed me off for other reasons, to the point that I genuinely forgot about the racist problems with it about halfway through the episode. Specifically, Code of Honor has Picard order a genocide because he was on hold for a couple of seconds (well, genocide is arguably too strong a term, but he does have Worf nuke the planet back into the stone age using photon torpedoes).
@@rockymountain2704 we saw him growing up, achieving his goals, embracing humanity... I don't think he disserved that fate. But I felt so good when seven avenged him.
Not necessarily, it most likely means that Discovery is just a really well done show and hasn't upset anybody. (Why is everyone in the comments section so negative and pissy?? Are y'all hangry, do you need to eat food, so you feel better??)
@@hunterofendermen367 "Discovery is just a really well done show" yes, I'm sure that's the case. There's been nothing but praise for Discovery all over the internet and zero criticism of its writing, characters, story or continuity. No criticism at all. Everyone loves it. Everyone.
I was pissed off at all 10 episodes of Picard because it was so inexcusably stupid and wasting the return of the characters of Ryan, Spiner, and Patrick Stewart.
I have heard they are having trouble getting insurance for Stewart due to his age they should have set the new series round one of the younger actors for practical reasons
@@PaulaSB12 If you've seen the last episode of the first season (just in case, I won't spoil it), I believe they're setting up so they at least have the option of switching to a new actor while essentially keeping the same character. I mean, nobody's going to want to watch "Star Trek: Picard" if Picard isn't in it.
Also, I was more pissed at Icheb being killed off then in how it happened. I mean, I had seen him in Tuvok's ill-fated, single episode "Star Trek: Renegades," & thought he deserved more then just a death scene cameo appearance in one episode. But then, I thought Hugh would have more of a role in the series, too, & that didn't turn out so well, either. What REALLY pissed Me off was when DATA was taken offline for good in the final episode of the season. I mean, the guy was recreated from a single positron- which isn't even possible, because that's not how positrons work. You'd think he might have wanted another body, either as another android or maybe as the computer for the ship Picard & the rest were on so he'd take over as the holographic "crew." But no!!! Even as one character is given near-immortality by having his consciousness transferred to a golem, the guy who is immortal is being killed off. (Although I don't think even unplugging the guy would kill him. Just put him to sleep until someone else plugged him in again.) What was that whole sequence about, anyway!?
From a sole in-universe point of view, I totally get your frustration about Data (also brownie points for pointing out that the "recreation from a single positron"-part is bullshit). However, I read an Interview with Brent Spiner (from the 90s or early 2000s I think) where he said he wanted the character Data to be killed off somehow, because he as an actor is aging and the character is not and he doesn't want to make excuses etc for why the actor is aging when Data shouldn't be. In the end, we not only got lame excuses in Picard's Season 3 but also nightmare-inducing CGI in season 1, sooo...two losses. Yay. I totally get Spiner's point and I really appreciate that he didn't want to reprise this wildly recognized character indefinitely and valued a believable story higher. I don't know if he changed his mind or was convinced that the tellings of ST: Picard were actually good but when I saw that they let Data FINALLY die in the end of Season one (despite him already having died way before...) I was okay with it. But that was more because I was so upset of Picard making Data alive again in the first place (despite what Brent Spiner wished for his character) and not because I thought it was a logical thing to do from an in-universe perspective. One could argue that Data asked to die, because it's the one human experience that he didn't have, but. Oh well. There are like a dozen reasons why that doesn't make sense at all I'd say.
I certainly read that, I'm not sure if he actually asked for that, but he was certainly quoted as saying that he felt the episode would have had a stronger impact had Soren been played by a Male actor, and I certainly understand his thinking here
@@sean.ferrick I think that is somewhat of trying to change history much like people do with Garak and his sexuality. I sort of hated this episode as it is definitely an argument against the Trans community.
@@SomeTheorist9090 I felt it was sort of Star Trek TNG'S 'very special episode', which is to say it was both an attempt to highlight trans issues, but that it was written as 40 minutes and done, which is a huge shame. I dont hate the episode, in fact stand alone I really enjoy it, but the theme was handled a bit clunkily, and closed off a bit too definitively.
I’ve read comments from homophobes about episodes of The Orville dealing with the Moclans. They always go something like “Look at what will happen if gays run things.” It’s stupid and ignorant, but people will always look for justification to their bigotry. Naturally, they fail to see the irony of a homosexual society persecuting heterosexuals and just take it at face value
@@artembentsionov I'm not a "homophobe" as you state. I don't give a crap about a man that wants to be with another man. And I don't care if a woman wants to be with another woman. Who cares? Pretty much nobody except a very small minority. So if you don't like the fact that many men and women like each other seems to indicate you are a heterosexualphobe.
Picard has me so disappointed in what they did to a character so beloved and a universe that is so idealistic. They perverted the new star trek shows that the feeling of hope is replaced with foreboding anxiety. That sense of curiosity is replaced with bewilderment. The initial idea was supposed to be star trek academy... where Picard is now a lecturer, a Dean, some adjunct professor.... where we get to see new recruits of the future being trained by an old fox. It could've been episodic, it could have had jokes but also introspection as these new recruits learn of federation/star fleet values. Come to grips with death, explore the various roles of fields in star fleet. They could have shown serious conflict and how leaders delegate... it could have shown an admiral Picard busting the chops of an arrogant captain wannabe recruit. That to me is the wish I had for his return... now they ruined it with this bs.
Mohamed, I agree with everything you say. But I saw it in a different light. Picard is an outcast, a pariah. A bitter old man. And the Federation and Starfleet are heading towards moral ruin. So Picard and his motley crew go about what they do best - they strive for new ideals, new hopes, a new and better and more just future. It is the very thing that made ST great - not being in an idealistic society, but continually striving to make it so, even though it is quite difficult, and often costly, because reality is not as black-and-white and simple as we hope. And their task in this is also inward, as they face their own histories, their failures and their inner demons. They are initially all driven by anger. But we see them learning to forgive and accept not just each other, but also themselves. To me, this is Star Trek at its' purest. Yes, the beat of the drum sounds different in ST Picard, as it does in ST Below Decks. But it is - to me, anyway - very much the same drum that Gene Roddenberry sounded all those years ago.
I basically don't regard Star Trek: Picard as canon anymore then I regard the Star Wars Sequel trilogy as canon. Just because the producers and writers say something in canon doesn't mean you have to recognize it as canon.
@@wolfhound113 Except it isnt Star Trek at it's purest. Star Trek is about a humanity that is past this crap, that's the central core tenet of the entire series. Both Discovery and Picard looked at that, and chucked it in a bin so they could write yet more misery porn, because ALL THE REST of Sci-Fi isn't already doing that right? The exception is The Orville, which is somehow to closer to Trek than Trek is, while still presenting the issues.
The problem is picard and those like him are the exceptions. The federation is dystopian. It always has been. Gene's vision failed where telling a good human story begins.
@@torgadogwielder808 It's literally a post-scarcity society with no poverty, no crime, where we Actually respect indigenous cultures, and strive for better. That's the farthest thing from dystopian. I'm sick of people twisting everything into somehow dystopian. It's lazy, and completely unoriginal, with absolutely no merit at all.
For me, it's the *way* the ship met its end, Snake. First, why in the flying **** would you have the shield frequency displayed like that in engineering? It's kinda like posting the secure password on a bulletin board. And then, knowing that the battle section is about to blow up while they're in orbit around a planet, wouldn't you think they'd take the saucer section *away* from the planet, to avoid any chance of ending up in it's atmosphere/gravity well? I'd think you'd want to get clear of the planet ASAP, because you'd know the shock wave from the blast would cause a loss of control. Heck, I'm still trying to get somebody to explain to me where they got the Enterprise-A from at the end of ST:IV - The Voyage Home. Seriously, did Starfleet build a new, old-design ship or did they take an existing ship and re-name it?
@@charlied5953 I'm going to attempt to answer your Question about the Enterprise-A. I don't know if it's canon or not but it is generally accepted in Trek fandom that the Enterprise-A was suppose to be the USS Yorktown. Then upon the destruction of the original Enterprise the Yorktown was renamed.
SnakeVenom3000, the reason they destroyed the Enterprise-D in the first movie was that they wanted a new model. You see the Enterprise-D model was built for television. It was thought that that it was not detailed enough for movies. I disagree, I thought the Enterprise-D would have been fine for the movies, but that was the decision that was made.
@@robertperry8392 "When construction began on the Enterprise-A in the early 2280s, the ship was named the USS Ti-Ho and assigned the registry number, NCC-1798. After the events that occurred during "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home", Federation President Hiram Roth ordered that the Ti-Ho be renamed Enterprise and assigned the registry NCC-1701-A; the official commissioning occurred in that same year at the San Francisco Fleet Yards." (excerpts from the Enterprise A article on the Memory Alpha and Memory Beta sites) The story of the Yorktown origin comes from a suggestion from Gene Roddenberry made that the USS Yorktown was rechristen Enterprise, but that doesn't make sense, in that the USS Yorktown was an already existing Constitution class starship that was temporarily disabled by the whale probe. Why would Star Fleet recover/repair one of its starship that already had been in service and rechristen it essentially on the spur of the moment, reassign the crew, and replace them with Kirk and Co.? Logically, it makes more sense for the replacement ship to be one that was under construction and nearing completion (bearing a more obscure name) to become the new USS Enterprise. A further confirmation that it was most likely the Ti-Ho comes from Montgomery Scott himself, "Captain Scott alludes to the ship being newly built in the ship's log of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, stating "This new ship must have been built by monkeys". "
The Picard episode was so shocking that I had to replay the scene a few times. The "doctor's" apathy the the ex-borg's suffering is absolutely extreme.
Best scene Kirk finally fed up trying to make a truce with a guy who is now pulling off a cliff kicks him repeatedly in the head while saying 'I have had enough of you' Thr guy falls to his death.
It "needed"* to be brutal so Seven could be vicious/angry. So she could become a reason in her final step in becoming Sigourney Weaver from her latter Alien movies? Worst episode I've ever seen.
It completely shows the writers have no clue what evolution and natural selection are. It suffers from the belief that nature has some genetic plan. The fact that the Valakians had the ability to contact other worlds to ask for help is just as much part of natural selection as any mutation is.
just like a wildlife photographer/ranger doesn't interfere even if it's say an endangered cheetah being attacked by lions. actions can have unforeseen consequences no matter how good the intention. and that was mankind's first foray into that ethical dilemma. is it altruism or playing god? like i said, this was pre-prime directive, so archer had to make the call.
@@jaives and yet, if you saw a person being attacked it would be morally right to try to save them, even if its risky. we also protect endangered species.
"Plato's Stepchildren" is television history. Even if the episode was weak and the plot was just device to make it happen. It's good for that alone. Mirror Mirror kiss was not black / white, if you want to quibbles technicalities sure, but this is the one that counted. "Shades of Grey" was the worst TNG episode. Didn't know it was a writer strike thing. "Lower Decks" could be so much better. It's mostly loud and obnoxious. There's so many good comical Star Trek episodes and moments it could draw from. "Message in a Bottle" is the best episode of Voyager as well as the funniest. Q should've gotten his own Lower Decks episode not some stupid side-gag. There are so many more / better in-jokes they could do. Then again Treks do sort of get a 2 season grace period to work out the kinks? so … fingers-crossed. I remember "Rejoined" having a disclaimer, subsequent reruns didn't though. Younger me ever so briefly thought this was the best episode of Star Trek ever … for some reason(?) For me "Threshold" crosses over into "so bad it's good" territory. It's stupid, it shouldn't be considered cannon, but at points it's so stupid it's funny(?) "…These are The Voyages" is so/so but fine as long as Trip didn't actually die. They need to make this cannon, I'll even take a passing mention on "Lower Decks". "The Outcast" address gay issues? That's one way to put it. "Dear Doctor" was a good episode. I liked it a lot at the time. Especial after coming off of Voyager where there was always some action issue to get past at the 45 minute mark. I don't recall this having any action like some TNG episodes. Though I watched it again last year, and it struck me as way screwed up and creepy. "Stardust City Rag" is the worst episode of Trek I've ever seen. The graphic torture was the worst thing I've ever seen in Star Trek. Then when you find out it was Icheb and they only brought him back to do THAT to him. Are we trying to be Game of Thrones or something? Icheb was usually a lighter part of Voyager. It reminded me of all the times I wished Voyager had been a bit edgier with more consequences. I do stand by those criticisms. Though be careful what you wish for. Great list. I want to say they should put more Discovery in there, but then the list would be nothing but that. Discovery is its own can of ¿worms?
Plato's Stepchildren is in no way history. Not by several years. Casualty had the first interracial kiss on TV. The first one on American TV was Sammy Davis, Jr. kissing Nancy Sinatra on a variety special. And neither of them was having their faces mashed together by telekinetic aliens.
So to sum it up if the episode shocks a group’s personal values they should just suck it up and accept it. Nope, people are entitled to their own values. Cramming a view down people’s throats is never a good idea.
Depends on the views, if they are prejudice, then they really should open up and learn to live with and respect the fact that other people exist and should be treated fairly.
@@punkwrestle That's some very convoluted logic you have there. If we have to treat people with other views "fairly", that must also include people that are viewed as "prejudiced". If not, then you are no better than the person you claim doesn't have a right to their so-called bad views. I put those words in quotes because they are often misused by people with an agenda who feel free to tell others what views they are allowed to have.
You are largely correct here, and unfortunately we live in a time where certain sets of viewpoints are continually being shoved down our throats in every available medium, from the media to our tv shows to our video games. When the propaganda reaches these kinds of levels that means you have a war on your hands, and in our case it's a culture war.
RE: "Plato's Stepchildren", check out the article on the episode at the Agony Booth website. It would be more accurate to say the episode featured the first interracial kiss between a Caucasian man and and a woman of African descent on prime-time, continuing dramatic American TV. It was by no means the first ever, anywhere. The reason the episode ticks me off is that the villains treat our heroes horribly, and completely escape any sort of justice. They are left free to victimize anyone else they choose, and both sides know it. Kirk should've at least punched Parmen in the mouth before beaming out.
The thing that ticked me off was the poor writing plus the actors appeared embarrassed to be in the poorly written show. The kiss didn’t even register to me as I was appalled by the acting and writing. And I saw it first-run.
Not arguing your points at all, but what seems to be left out is that it wasn't a consensual kiss. They were forced like puppets. They did not choose to kiss each other, it was like holding two dolls up next to each other face to face. So it wasn't meaningful with respect to the characters. When I saw it as a kid, I didn't even notice the interracial nature of it, I was appalled by the way each of the Enterprise crew were being manipulated against their will!
@@rosebutler9586 you were lucky then because the BBC banned the episode from UK broadcast and it wasn't shown until the Beebs licence expired and Sky TV picked it up in the early 1990s.
I watched "Rejoined" in my province of Nova Scotia, Canada when it originally aired on our local affiliate. I didn't even know there WAS a kiss until a co-worker, who had watched it on a cable network, told me there was. My local affiliate had cut the scene and since there was no internet back then, it took me years to finally see the uncut scene in a re-run. I was soooooo angry!
@@bradfilippone7064 Waaaaay back when and it was MITV which is no more of course. I remember because I wrote them and gave them a piece of my mind and called them a bunch of homophobic jerks.
@@stevedax6947 I know. I was really quite shocked to find out they did it... especially after finally seeing it. I was like, huh? That's what you didn't want people to see?
The thing that pissed me off the most about Echeb, was that they killed his character off in the first place... idk if its cannon or not but in Star Trek Renegades hes a total bad-ass and I was really hoping to see some kind of transition from his normal to the wild man he turned into.
Mike Stoklasa postulated that Icheb's gruesome death was a fuck you to Manu Intiraymi, the original actor who portrayed him on Voyager, after he was less than sympathetic towards Anthony Rapp over the Kevin Spacey issue.
The Phlox episode listed was literally, "You're NOT OK with doing your job as a doctor and saving the lives of people we've just mingled with and who had had relations to OTHER species in the galaxy, because the other species on their planet MAY rise to take their place? OK, well that makes sense. We did a good deed today." And my big problem with DS9 is in my absolute honest opinion: there IS no nuance with terrorism. Guerilla warfare, sure, even making armed forces GENUINELY fear you is acceptable as a tactic, and arguably a damn good one, but actively harming civilians is not nor will ever be excusable by ANY ideology and by ANY lack of resources, and you lose any credibility you claim you have the moment you resort to it. That said, I still enjoy DS9 *despite* trying to say "terrorism nuanced, m'kay?". Because the characters honestly worked really well off of eachother, and it was not afraid to tell a dark story, with all the nuance it had (which is a double edged sword with a show you're using to moralize, but if they LACKED said nuance entirely, they would have just made one side squeaky clean and the other objectively 100% evil), to the point where people *still* argue over both the Bajoran resistance, AND the the Maquis. Where I stand, particularly, for the five-ish people who may care: I don't like the Bajoran Resistance, nor do I really like Kira. But I can undersrand what got them to their point, and while I can blame them for bad (in both senses) tactics, I cannot blame them for the desperation that drove them there. In regards to the Maquis, the Federation sacrificed *their homes* for the sake of a treaty that nobody with a working brain would have thought would hold, and then expected every one of these supposedly free colonists, who had by this point established themselves and made something to be proud of, to pack up and leave when ordered by a government that *lacked the authority to tell them to leave.* Which the Federation did in fact lack, if not literally, than on principle (nor to consider them traitors for seceeding, to protect their own homes after being effectively abandoned to the wolves).
I think you really need to think deeply about being faced with opponents that you in no way an ever contend with, even in a guerilla war. Asymmetrical warfare is often the only method open to some people. There is nuance to terrorism, especially when a population allows the subjugation of others. If your country was taken over and you had no way of effectively fighting any kind of conventional war, what other options would you have to try to win back your freedom? This was also explored in the Reimagined Battlestar Galactica. Science Fiction should present these problems and give you space to make your own decisions, well good Science Fiction should.
@@Nevets1073 OK but you should clearly have been able to tell by the full content of what I said that my problem is *not* with asymetrical warfare or insurgency tactics. Hell, I don't even on a fundamental level take issue with some things *most* people do, such as assassination as a tactic. My problem is when those tactics stop caring about what is hit, or worse, go full Taliban/IRA and actively target non-combatants. There's no justification that'll square me with car-bombing an apartment or office building for instance. Something that deliberately targets a civilian for their little war is no longer a person and should be put down like a beast quick enough that anyone else even considering slipping that low rethinks their options.
Honestly, neither of these came across as things to make me mad, they were just both REALLY BAD TV. Tuvix is actually pretty iconic for me at this point. It perfectly showcases just how unethical Janeway was. She always just did whatever she wanted and didn't really care about the consequences, just using "the Regulations" as a milk sop to justify things. Code of Honor, that one I couldn't believe made it on air. Was it actually *ist? No, but it was incredibly poorly written and acted and anyone with half a brain had to have suspected it would be attacked as *ist. Tracy Tormé actually suggesting it was supposed to be "1940s tribal Africa" themed make it feel like a false flag attack. "We want ratings from controversy but aren't skilled enough to write something truly worthy of controversy." Both of these were just sad, sad television.
Season 2, Episode 15 of Deep Space Nine, ("Paradise") pissed me the hell off when I saw it the first time. Not only because of the villainous and despotic Alixus, but because at the end of the episode everyone on the planet -- who was forced to go there because Alixus LIED TO THEM AND PURPOSEFULLY ISOLATED THEM LIKE THE CULT LEADER SHE IS -- decide they'd rather stay behind rather than accept rescue. I have to bite a pillow each time I think of that episode.
They probably thought it was what the fans wanted. Back then, Enterprise was being heavily criticized by a segment of Star Trek fans I refer to as the "TNG snobs". While they've largely gone away, they were a very annoying part of the fan base that acted like anything that wasn't TNG was crap.
@@ChewyChicken589 Although as a big fan of DS9, I will say the snobbery continues with many DS9 fans who hate on anything Trek post-DS9 no matter what and herald DS9 as the pinnacle of perfection in Star Trek. Some even going as far as hating on TNG as well.
@@ChewyChicken589 this same group protested DS9 when it first came out “it’s to dark! That’s not Star Trek!” But in my opinion DS9 is far, far better than TNG. At least the writing and story lines were.
Duet from ST DS9 Season 2 Episode 10 was my favorite because of the actor Harris Yullin and the way he says the line "You call it genocide but I call it a days work!!!" To Kiera
yeah but that didnt piss anyone off, everyone loves that episode, because its a good episode, and while he portrays himself as a monster who says things like that, the truth at the end of the episode is that hes anything but a monster. I agree thought its an outstanding episode. one of my favorite.
That would imply that its not a bad episode, but one of the best episodes. this is a video about all the bad episodes. So keep Duet away from this video. Duet is precious gold. This video is about the trash section of star trek
@@youtubeistryingtocensorme Okay, so let's just say that Circuits and Cigars' comment was of the "on-the-other-hand" type. IMO, "Duet" was one of the very best ST episodes ever aired, (despite the obviously gratuitous or contractual O'Brien and Quark cameos). Yulin and Visitor _both_ gave what I consider to be Emmy-quality performances. In Yulin's long career I was so glad to see him get a starring role, and even though just a TV show, I think it may have been the best performance of his career. Of course, it's hard to be recognized for a great performance without a great script -- and this episode had it. Another of ST's finest episodes was TNG's "Inner Light". Notice, folks, how neither of these needed a lot of "spacey" stuff, and not a single phaser was fired. A great story works in any context. Also, any story that can choke me up must be good. I mean, someone would have to be some kind of stump not to be deeply moved by Picard playing that flute at the end, or when Marritza crumbled from his deception.
I loved the series Lower Decks. It shows what the lower ranking crew have to do on the ship. It’s a unique view of how the rest of the ships crew liv. As for the ending to Enterprise I wish it had the crew aged and being present when the new ship was launched under Pikes command. Then the ending with the different ships.
As a Star Trek fan, I can honestly say, no episode PISSED me off. I love each and everyone of them! Still, it will be interesting to see what you come up with! What PISSED me off is when the episode was late by a pre-empted NEWS broadcast or a sporting event going into overtime!!! And then sometimes they will come back to the episode: ALREADY IN PROGRESS!!! Missing the teaser and maybe the first act. Thank goodness for Re-runs!
Star Trek Picard pissed me off altogether. The ending especially was so awful. I see no room for a season 2. And Jadzia dying at the end of the second last season of DS9. Ezri was fine for a personality, but her story was terrible to replace Jadzia. Also forgot about the Talosians episode in Disco. Hated the revisit to “The Cage” pilot episode. Nothing was revealed at any point through Star Trek to have them go back there. Just bait to have people watch it.
Star Trek Picard pilot episode pissed me off more than any of the ones on your list ... it starts with a martial arts brawl, rather than using phasers or any other tech. My reaction was: this isn't Trek ... and I dropped the series before giving it a chance ... don't bother trying to convince me to come back to it either, it stays dropped.
When you were speaking of the graphic scenes at the end, it made me think of probably the grossest episode, TNG's Conspiracy. If I remember it right, it had a body blown apart and missing a head with little alien creatures littered all over the place. I couldn't believe it when I first saw it.
Yeah, that was an awful story and indicative of TNG's chaotic first season. Basically pointless story capped off by a needless "gross-out" scene that was obviously intended to generate some buzz.
From what I've heard, "Picard" may be a good story, but it's not Star Trek because it totally ruins the whole concept of what Starfleet is supposed to be about or how it's supposed to handle such concepts as equality and personhood.
"It's starting discussion." Discussion about what? You couldn't even find something to say about it now. How pulling somebody's eye out looks gross? Okay. That says a lot about society man, people should be allowed to get their eyes pulled out whenever they want. It's controversial because it doesn't mean anything. Interracial kiss, gay rights, transgender acceptance. Guy gets his eye pulled out so seven shoots him because pain hurts or something and the future doesn't have good medicine. It's pointless and doesn't make sense. Now discuss.
This seems to be the only comment I can find, maybe missed several, butsince, but no discussion on last gruesome scenes to explain or bemoan something I hadn't heard about before All I know is they did the same thing in Avengers movie to make audience feel the horror of forced obedience, I guess
@@paulisaacson6044 that makes sense in avengers. But in Picard*(edit) the character they wanted us to hate dies in the same episode a few minutes later. Maybe it's to give Seven motivation or to introduce her character. But it has nothing to do with her after this episode. And it doesn't fit her character that's been established.
You'd think she would go on some great quest to save borgs this keeps happening too, or start searching for other borgs she knew that dissapeared, but no. It's just a gruesome scene.
@Jesse Noals thanx you got me back here, had no idea what end of this video would be, which basicly and briefly said is monstrous, then nothing after this in comments, kinda scary, went all the way to the end this time, bout 4 see more commets, small thread claim that actor was in disfavor, then coming back, icheb and vivisection, so missed those refs, but as above, no discussion, there's an enormous transgender chain, but would think this would have been an issue outside the internet, have seen some mention of picard nothing noting this
@Jesse Noals had always bothered me every borg killed had been someone, same in matrix, whole shootout scene, why guns, killing cowering guard, so not so alone now thanx
To the point about the star trek writers sometimes being surprised at how conservative some of the fans are despite the show basically ALWAYS being unashamedly liberal in political direction, that's something I've encountered too, and it always leads to "fans" who can rationalize past controversies with the show but always seem to be waiting for something new with Trek to get all up in a conservative huff about when their delicate sensibilities are challenged by one of the shows.
I'm new to Trek and I thought all the right wing snowflakes left years ago. Then I said how much I enjoyed Discovery. Boy I was wrong about the awful people being gone.
i begrudging accepted Enterprise as canon because they at least tried to stay within established canon but as far as i'm concerned there hasn't been any canon star trek since
@@Sinleqeunnini want me to be more specific in my distaste for Discovery? It's nothing about the characters nor the actors. Just the writing. The writing is really really bad.
I only watched the first season of Discovery that was enough for me....that shit is not Star Trek Not really got episodes i hate but loved TNG Inner Light, Enterprise Shuttle pod 1and the DS9 nine episode ( title eludes me ) where Odo is taking Quark to court to testify against the Orion Syndicate in a sabotaged runabout
The real problem with "Dear Doctor" is the way it fundamentally misrepresents how evolution works. I mean weren't there any science advisors on this show? The idea that a genetic line fades into senescence like an aging person isn't justified anywhere in the show. And it makes no sense. Add to that the fact that species as technologically advanced as those in the show would long since have developed the power to alter their own genetic destiny. This episode is driven by the kind of misunderstanding of evolution that would be more at home with a 1930s eugenics advocate than a modern, literate, sci fi writer.
The original series was remastered high definition for Blu-Ray (and that is the version available on streaming servives) whereas Deep Space 9 has not been (and can not be as easily as it was edited together on 90s def video rather than on the film it was shot on).
@@benjaminolson7206 Yes, I realize. Ds9 was on tape and not film, so the resolution is lost without being completely remade or done through ai learning.
Loved this topic it was enjoyable. I have a suggestion. Can Trek Culture do a show on Star Trek fan production. There has been some good stuff made out there that i think should be spotlighted. Star Trek the new voyages comes to mind. Especially since you showed a clip from it. I would think anyone watching this episode of Trek culture would like to see where you got the clip from. Do a best of Trek fan films. Not the worst too many of those and too many people will be hurt lol. Keep up the great work. I appreciate you guys.
My problem with Enterprise was that every episode was resolved by either using the transporter or the phasors. This was supposed to be man's 1st foray into deep space exploration and they were faster and better armed than almost every ship they encountered. The cast was good though, and I actually liked the final episode.
Too many times writers in Star Trek use the concept of genocide or mass extinction as plot device. The original series stories "A Piece of the Action," "Patterns of Force," and "A Private Little War" properly illustrate the reasoning and situation of the Prime Directive. In "A Private Little War" when Kirk finds out the Klingons are arming the villagers with flintlock guns, he realizes the only alternative is to match the Klingon interference. When Kirk asks Scott for 100 flintlocks and Scotty as for clarification, Kirk responds, "100 Serpents..." But the episodes where they are willing to let a species of intelligent life die out because they are not supposed to interfere are galling. Have the writers, script editors, and producers never heard of the Nuremberg Trials and it's results? Apparently not. Particularly galling for me was the Next Generation episode where Worf's adoptive brother has become involved with a primitive culture which were going to be wiped out by an atmospheric disaster. Picard and Co. decide to let them die and there is even a moment of silence on the bridge -not for the people who died, but for the Prime Directive!!! Fortunately, Worf's brother saved a tribe from the planet using the holodeck to create the image of a series of long caves to give the illusion that they are making a journey to safety. "Who Watches the Watchers" is a better illustration of the non interference concept.
Another problem of Threshold was the misunderstanding of evolution, namely the false idea that evolution is going somewhere specific, rather than being sculpted by natural selection. I suppose that the primordial humanoid seeding planets with their genome leading to humanoids eventually evolving on these planets is part of this problem too.
You know people were told over and over that Picard would be an entirely different show and have a totally different tone to it so I'm baffled as to why people were so surprised and butt hurt over it
Same goes for Disney Wars "sequels" and Chinballs Dr. Who and everything else in the Nerd world today that was invaded by non fans or at best very casual fans with wayyyyyyyyy over the top agenda. Anything groundbreaking in Star Trek before was food for thought where as everything now you are expected accept as you are told and like every episode or movie even more than the originals or you will be twitter canceled and labeled an German SS officer in charge of a camp.
@@jebediahgentry7029 They said it was a different Star Trek show, not a different show wearing the rotting skin of Star Trek while violating everything the franchise held dear.
nah. It was still dumb. Killing off a main character in a stupid way. Setting the finale 6 years after the rest of the series. Dragging Shran through the mud.
I am shocked you missed the episode where Crusher falls in love with a trill that then embodies Riker. Then the trill takes over a female host. Where Beverly declined to continue the relationship. I remember at the time that this set alarm bells with people say "homosexuality in star trek"
Yeah, I was thinking about that episode too. They tried to play it off like "oh well, humans aren't used to so much change like this" but it seemed like she was cool with it until the trill was in a female body
Because romantic love involves sexual attraction. You can't force a heterosexual woman to be sexually attracted to another woman. The same goes for someone who is homosexual. You can't expect that person to have sexual attraction for a person of the opposite sex.
@@sarahbrown2789 You're absolutely right. But why not just face that head-on and have Beverly explain that she's straight? I feel like that whole episode was a missed opportunity.
Everyone's wondering where "Code of Honor" and "Tuvix" are; but not "Course: Oblivion?" That one was just plain cruelty to the characters _and_ to the audience; not to mention it really doesn't make much sense.
Am I the only one who enjoyed Tuvix? I completely disagreed with the ending but given that Tim Russ and Ethan Phillips were, you know, contacted to be on the rest of the season, everyone knew Tuvix wasn't going to be around next episode.
@@IN-tm8mw why? It shows a "species" that consists of black people and shows them as tribesmen and also one of them seemed to be obsessed with a white woman, kinda racist not gonna lie.
I think while Course: Oblivian may have not been well received by some, I found it interesting because you have this problem of demolecularization that's occuring throughout the ship and crew but you are still not aware that this is the copied crew from a prior episode (when they landed on the Demon planet) so it keeps your interest (at least it did for me) until the end when you realize that it was the copied crew that the story was about. Yes it doesn't really fit much into the timeline (other than it occurs after Demon planet or whatever that episode was) but it also introduced the Slipstream drive as well (although this technology proves--later on--not to be as viable solution for getting home, a shown in "Timeless").
The one that pissed me off the most would be the first episode of Discovery. After anxiously awaiting a new Star Trek series, they instead give us "Klingons" that looked like orks, and completely re-imagined everything that we remember that the 10 years before Kirk time frame should have. It quickly became clear that the new show runners had barely a passing knowledge of the rest of the franchise. Enterprise, nicely explained why Klingons developed human traits in their 4th season. Then in a 2nd season, these horrible producers, realizing how hated their Klingons were, tried to explain that Klingons shave their heads during war time. OMG, how could they say that if you see the number of episodes in other Star Trek series during Klingon wars that they don't shave their heads. The producers obviously do not know their Star Trek. I am not alone in my feelings towards this show. Now while a great many people do somehow like this show, when you look at the number of people who quickly grew to despise this show, how can you not include any episode of this terrible show in your list? Wow.
That last viewing of "Enterprise" was a long delayed episode of TNG tacked onto to "Enterprise." Once again, it was a story about a malfunctioning holodeck/holoprogram fantasy on the Enterprise D.
One of the greatest moments in TNG, or Star Trek in general (at least from an acting perspective), is Sir Patrick Stewart at 8:05 with "THERE... ARE... FOUR... LIGHTS!"
Kind of an answer to "How many lights, Winston."
Comes from George Orwell's 1984.
That was a sign of utter stupidity. Disgraceful arrogance. If someone has you in captivity, you shouldn't be an ass. Even the DOD has come to this; no longer are prisoners supposed to act up and be totally uncooperative. That led to many tragedies. Today, you're not supposed to betray anything but should be superficially cooperative...
@@thomasaquinas5262 DOD? Starfleet Command, son!
@@thomasaquinas5262 marines definitely get taught to be an ass. I mean, most likely, they're going to kill you anyhow. Why fuck around?
I'd rather be pissed off by some number of episodes than watch a show that never takes any risks. The mission is TO BOLDLY GO.
...all this time i thought 'to baldie go'...
@@yowut8075 I always thought Kirk was wearing a wig
Thats a fair point
Excellent point good sir!
An excellent point, well made. Nice one!
I talked with Connor Trinneer at a Con in Canada a few years ago. He had not seen or heard of the TH-cam Fan Edit of These Are the Voyages... with all the TNG Pegasus Riker/Troi stuff removed. The next day at the Con he saw me walk by his booth and thank me for telling him about it. He ended up watching it that first night of the Con at his hotel and enjoyed it much more.
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I don't know tge eoisode is disliked so much. I rather enjoyed it.
I liked the episode. Trip dying did not bother me much. It is tv after all. The way it tied in to tng was awesome.
@john templeplate Would be interesting... To have so much of your life recorded with so much detail, then played back with such clear resolution to someone in the future.
The one that passed me off most would probably be the one where Harry Kim gets read the riot act for not getting a permission slip to have relations with an alien...ignoring that Star-trek characters have been banging their way across the cosmos with no repercussions for decades.
Normally, it probably would've only been a minor infraction, but Harry Kim is Captain Janeway's "Golden Boy" and so... she's gonna take that shit personally!
You just know she watches him sleep, at night, in his quarters. Sitting in some dark corner of his cabin. Visible only by the soft glow of her cigarette.
Debating whether or not to have him "fixed" by The Doctor. 🤔
CHEERS! 🍸😂🚬
As a counter point: those were unencountered species, so they didn't know if there would be side-effects.
@@SM-si2ui to be fair. It’s likely Riker was like *taps combadge* “Captain, permission to initiatiate contact?” “Yes number one, make sure to fill out the report and go see Dr. Crusher when your done”
They probably just call that a "Code Riker" for the sake of simplicity and com traffic.
@@carldeithorn3450 What if secretly Janeway wanted to bang Harry Kim?
Plato’s Stepchildren is a very important episode for me because of the lesson it taught me and it had nothing to do with the kiss. Lt. Uhura was my first crush. But the lesson l was taught had to do with the little person. Kirk asks him if there are any more like him on the planet. The guy thought the same thing l did. Little people. But Kirk didn’t notice his height. He was talking about his lack of telekinetic power. I felt so ashamed of myself for thinking that, that l burst into tears. It was an extraordinarily humbling moment for me. I vowed then and there never to look at a person and judge by appearance alone. And l never have. I owe this mindset to Trek and Gene Roddenberry. A debt l can never repay.
This wasn't the first interracial kiss
@john templeplate bloody homophobe go screw yourself
@john templeplate. Who said anything about this?
I concur. Uhura is hot
tripleb221 - I love your comment. There are moments in each of our lives that help to define the person we'll ultimately become. It's good that you have such a clear memory of this, it's something to cherish. :)
Glad to see the Icheb killing top the list. It was a pointless death of a young character that could have been used in the future. He had an incredibly rich back story.
Frankly, I thought the series had other gratuitous violence in it. They didn't have to kill off Hugh. And it was great to see Deanna and Will together... oh, but they had a son who died. Just... unnecessary.
Stardust City Rag made me stop watching Picard, I haven't gone back to it yet. I might someday. But killing off Icheb was just so not necessary, there are so many other ways you can develop Seven of Nine's character.
Icheb's death at least had some meaning to it in setting up Seven's story. But they should have delved into it more - that the problem with shorter seasons. And having Riker and Troi's son die was tragic but hugely important to their storyline and the storyline of that season. Also this is a grief that many people go through, so it's great that it's represented in Trek. Hugh's death however was unnecessary and brought nothing at all to the story.
Yeah, they did Hugh dirty. I cried so much when he died, not only because he died, but mostly because the character was done dirty.
@@sisteriris4131Trust me you definitely want to watch season 3. Its almost a soft reboot, and man is it good. It has some of the highest ranked episodes of any Star Trek.
"Allamaraine, count to four, Allamaraine, then three more, Allamaraine, if you can see, Allamaraine, you'll come with me..."
That's just a "not-very-good" early episode. It's not offensive or bad...
@@LNSLateNightSaturday Good point, maybe im just pissed for having the song in my head for the past two days
Thanks for sharing your pain. Now it's our pain, as well.
@@TheZetaKai As Chakotay said to Tuvok in Voyager, misery loves company.
@@seantwigg Hahaha, I get you.
While I can't remember the episodes name, one of the ones that pissed me off has to be when they erased Kurns memory and undid all of his character development with Worf
I actually do like Sons of Mogh, but I wish we could have had more Tony Todd!!
That particular episode becomes even worse later on when Worf regains his standing with the Klingon Empire and even has the chance to be Chancellor, which makes the events of Sons of Mogh pointless
Worf, Dax and Bashir probably took that secret to there graves. Could you imagine if Martok learned Worf had done that to his own blood brother?
Yeah, I don't know if it was the worst but it pissed me off for a few reasons.
Tony Todd as Kurn gave us a glimpse as to what Worf would be like if he was raised a Klingon. He is also an awesome actor, I have no idea why the show didn't utilize him more as a recurring character. It also would have been fitting if he was the one to challenge and kill Gowron considering it was Kurn who supported him and put him in power to begin with. Gowron owed Kurn everything and he used Worf as an excuse to remove him from power.
@@Bitchslapper316 yeah, I like Tony Todd. Even his voice is awesome. There’s a reason he’s the voice of Zoom in The Flash series. Ironically, Michael Dorn voiced a bad guy’s masked face on Arrow
0:04 is one of the funniest moments of TNG, right after "Oh, very clever, Worf. Eat any good books lately?"
Michael Dorn's deadpan humor is precious.
Seven of Nine didn't shove the Romulan off the ledge for nothing, she had killed Hugh right before that and she even said, this is for Hugh!
i know that was the most desturbing episode ever
She didn't kill the Romulan in response to Icheb, she killed Bjayzl in reaction to his death.
I suspect that Seven of Nine to become somewhat of a problem in Seasons 2 of Picard as she has a violent, vengeful streak. This is going to clash with Picard's Starfleet sensibilities and will most likely play a big part of the plot for Seasons 2 imo. Especially when Picard discovers what Seven of Nine has been doing behind his back. Right now he's probably not aware that she has killed A LOT of people.
Pretty funny considering she never met Hugh in the show and they clearly just added that line with ADR afterwards.
@@justinb864 yes. Bitter Borg was a huge character development in season 1, presenting loads of conflicts to work into future episodes.
Love that you barely gave a synopsis for Threshold. Didn't need to. Everyone knows the silly tom paris lizard episode.
The part that bothered me most is they didn't acknowledge the invention of the Infinite Improbability Drive.
I don't get why the actor had an issue having lizard kids. She wasn't actually physically doing anything.
To the Discovery writers, "Laddy, do you know what the interior of starship looks like?"
"Yes, just like a funhouse with plenty of open space between decks"
Or the exterior, for that matter. A double saucer section with space between is just crazy. You want to go from 10-Forward (which I assume has a different name, or maybe that's the "mess hall" they seem to spend all their time in) to the Bridge? Okay, first go ALL the way around the outer saucer section to the rear section. Now go into the "neck" section. Now you can finally go to the inner saucer section. And from what I can see, you have to go THROUGH THE BRIDGE to access the inner saucer. What?! No wonder Linus got lost trying to teleport to the mess hall once they got the new upgraded badges in the future. I won't even touch on the spinning thing, that's just a plate on top and bottom, they could have still done that with a proper saucer. And don't even get me started on that stunt they pulled disconnecting the nacelles somehow improving maneuverability.
I thought everything on Discovery was designed by a child. The new Klingon ships look ridiculous.
_"Joey, do you like movies about SPACE gladiators?"_
@blue I'm gonna blaspheme all over your Trek head cannon like it's a poor little Japanese girl's face and my blaspheme is... well I think people get it: I actually don't mind the different looks of the Klingons(it IS weird seeing as this is in the same timeline as Klingons with smooths head and the ones with the ridges but since Discovery TELEPORTS THROUGH FREAKING SPACE different Klingons is moot!
I would say the ending of Endgame bothered me because of how it ended. I wanted more resolution with cast characters interacting with those home.
I do agree here, I find it an unsatisfactory last scene. The episode overall I like, but I would have loved just a moment of them arriving back in a Starfleet facility. Although thematically, Voyager was their home, and i do understand them staying on board for the closing shot
I mean... it kinda fits the entirety of Voyager's run in that way when you think about it. Inconsistent with itself, deus ex machina galore, weak ending, and no character development.
I like how SF Debris summed that up. Paraphrasing from memory; "It's like they saw all the complaints about DS9's finale having too much denouement and decided to overcompensate by not giving Voyager any."
I think there should have been at least one or two more episodes beyond Endgame. I mean, perhaps one that is like a "debriefing" of the crew, and then another one showing the crew re-integrating with life and family/friends back on Earth. It seems that with Endgame, it was a rather abrupt ending.
I understood that refer.... ohhhh 😂
I was expecting to see every episode of Star Trek Discovery here!!!
and Picard season 1.
Mutilation in sci-fi turns me off; we get enough of that shit in real life...
Not a fan of Alien then?
@@alanmcclenaghan7548 to me the sci fi in alien is all well and good
The horror and mutilation parts were just that: some horror and mutilation. It drove the story, sure, but it exists in all genres
Yea that Icheb scene was gross and unnecessary.
Mutilation OF scifi turns _me_ off. Like what Discovery is compared to Star Trek..... dreadful
@LordAuraa Its not a weak stomach its a weak tolerance for bullshit memes that get to me... JSYK
The episode that most annoys me is Tuvix. I won't rewatch that one, and when it first came out it made me strongly dislike Janeway for a while.
The character of Janeway never recovered from that decision, imo. I hold it against her to this day! :)
Janeway did what she had to do for the good of the many (the rest of the crew), that's why she has the 4 pips, and - euphemistically - that's why she gets paid the big bucks
I liked it, every once in a while it makes the characters seem more real when they don't "win". There was no right choice for janeway, and while she reasoned that 2 officers were of more value than 1, the fact is...she wanted her friend back. She made an emotional choice. I don't think the writers meant for certain episodes to be "liked", they were meant to provoke thought and discussion.
@@lauranolastnamegiven3385 Yeah but, she didn't even try. Way back in 2369 Starfleet learned about the possibility of duplicating complete transporter patterns by using two annular confinement beams at a planet with a semi-permeable atmosphere during a lightning storm. The whole series has long held the importance of an individual's right to make their own decisions - as does ethics - and I'm sure Tuvix would have gladly risked death for the possibility of saving all 3 of them.
@@lauranolastnamegiven3385 Sometimes she did what was best for the crew, sometimes she was a stubborn prime-directive adherent, sometimes she was a diplomat, sometimes an action hero. The writers could never decide what she was.
Out of all those, only Enterprise's "Finale" genuinely ticks me off. I was appalled the first time I saw it and have refused to watch it since. Trip is still alive, married to T'Pol and they are going to have a hilarious spinoff comedy featuring their wacky matrimony.
There’s a book that reveals what really happened and how Section 31 covered up those events. Thus, what Riker experiences are reconstructions of faked records
Same as you if I binge watch Enterprise always leave last episode unwatched. It was an afront to the actors that they did this .
Incredibly disrespectful to the cast and everything the writers built up to that point. To be a Next Gen footnote. Just finished Enterprise (again) and it’s actually disheartening that it was even considered as an approach. Enterprise became one of the best Trek’s ever in seasons 3 and 4.
The Next Generation Writters had to “holo deck” Enterprise and its fans right in the ass on the way out the door. It’s unforgivable, just like Kennedy and Star Wars.
No, Trip is dead, T'Pol never married but had children with Koss.
She also happen to have a human gardener named Michael Kenmore who eat with her and her children for every meal.
The problem with killing Icheb, wasnt about killing Icheb. Manu Intiraymi (the real Icheb) talked about it in an interview. During the pre-production of Picard, He and Jeri Ryan (7 of 9) where asked to come back and possible had a death scene for Icheb. He was curious to play it. But the days passed by and he wasnt called again. Someday Jeri phoned him and basically said something like "Im sorry Manu, we did Ichebs death today, but i had to swear, not to tell you". He said he later found out what happened. At the time he was a twitter "friend" to Kevin Spacey. (Before all came out) Thats why the showrunners called someone who didnt even look like Icheb and did the most brutal Death possible. not to Icheb but in a matter of speaking to Manu himself.
Wow all because he was 'friends' with someone bad on twitter :( that should have had no bearing on this. Like just being friends with someone on a social channel doesn't mean your best mates and chat all the time! It is just a contact. Probably added at some sort of networking award thing once years ago.
Manu is a really nice guy. It's a shame. He always works with Star Trek people in his films.
The actor that played him on Picard looked more like the adult Itcheb anyway.
It is an old proverb. We are judged, albeit it, sometimes incorrectly, by the company we keep. Choose wisely.
“Threshold is considered the worst episode of Star Trek for several reasons.”
1. It is.
The only thing that makes it the worst is the unpleasing ending, so unnecessary and weird. The idea itself was not that bad.
It's main redeeming quality, at least to me, is that it very clearly shows that Evolution has no goals. It has no set path. Evolution simply is, and there is no guarantee that, whatever we become over the next billion years, we will still be sophisticated civilization builders. We are entirely beholden to Evolution and wherever circumstance takes us. Even if that means we become giant salamanders on some wet hot planet in the far reaches of the galaxy.
Part of the cause of the CA wildfires is their refusal to prune back the brush to let the forest change naturally. The universe is ruled by entropy.. “Things fall apart. The center cannot hold.” We have to manage things - like government or income equality or culture. I hadn’t thought of this before, but probably the biggest cause of our imminent societal collapse is the realization of the 60’s laissez-faire attitude in every part of society.
@@skepticalfaith5201 A lot of it was also the fact that, due to the standard policy of not letting wildfires burn as they usually did, underbrush and deadfall accumulated. As a result, when fire did come, the fires burned hotter, destroying the forest instead of scorching it as it usually did.
@@Lachdonin Evolution is random and on a species level not individual. And certainly not with two individuals in the exact same way. Literally every aspect of Trek evolution is contrary to reality. It always has been, and trying to tell a story in any way resembling our reality is dumb and counter-productive for actual education.
But whenever they talk about how groundbreaking Kirk kissing Uhura was, they always neglect to mention the part that the kiss was against either of their wills and was forced by the enemy who thought it was funny to make them do it.
That's not surprising at all. While Star Trek is overall a pretty interesting concept and fun to watch, the fact remains that it is often times used as a platform to push liberal idealism, and liberal idealists are very good at ignoring inconvenient and embarassing little details like that. Case in point I was just watching a video a few weeks ago that was talking about how the media was covering the story of this woman and her poly amorous relationship with like four dudes and what a happy family they were, and how they were all equally the father of the baby she had and such. What wasn't so widely covered was when one of the dudes wound up in jail for abusing the child.
@@darkprinc979 Guy, I already know all of that. I just point these things out innocuously because it's easier to get people to read simple condensed truths rather than write a whole paragraph. Star Trek is like 80% utopian liberal propaganda and 20% "scifi", and the reason why there will never be any good new Star Trek ever again is because neoliberal capitalism is failing both culturally and economically.
@@DioBrandoWRYYYYYY While it's good that you understand, I think it is worth expanding the thought for the sake of anyone that comes by to read these comments, even if it's only a few.
One of the major problems of modern culture is that many people's thought processes are far too compressed, which is why they can so easily fall into the trap of the liberal utopian myth. When you compress things too much you lose detail, and in communication terms that would be nuance, and when you lose nuance you lose the ability to properly think an idea through because everything becomes too black and white. That is the goal of politically correct speech, and it is a concept that was covered in George Orwell's "1984", as a prediction of one of the methods used by socialists to make the populace into mind-slaves. I don't know if you've ever read the book, but if not I would highly recommend it, as it is *highly* relevant to current events despite having been written in the '80s.
@@darkprinc979 1984 is actually not a good prediction of the future, it's just more or less what soviet russia was like, and the world elite doesn't actually want to institute communism again because the current model of neoliberal capitalism is more effective as a means of control because it provides distractions and misdirection through the illusion of choice as long as they get to select what the available choices are going to be while also generating profit, and there are many more devious and far more subtle forms of social engineering at play here.
I don't mean to be rude, but 1984 is baby tier. Everyone knows that book, and Animal Farm, and Brave New World, and while still worth reading, they are a bit outdated and not actually that profound or applicable to what's going on now. Try reading "Industrial Society And It's Future" by Ted K and I'm sure your mind will be blown in to 7 rainbow color pieces.
@@DioBrandoWRYYYYYY I'm aware that 1984 is essentially entry level stuff, but when speaking in a public forum with various levels of understanding you stick to the basics. I disagree with your point that 1984 is not that applicable to what is going on, however.
What we see going on in the world today may not match 1984 down to the smallest of details, but many of the broader concepts in that book are very real. Even Fahrenheit 451 to a much lesser degree has some accuracy. Rather than the government actively destroying any and all books, the general populace is being trained over time to have a smaller and smaller attention span, to the point that many people choose not to read because they have no patience for it. I have never read Animal Farm or Brave New World so I can't speak to what they have to say.
TNG S1E4, "Code of Honor", is also widely considered to be offensive and miss the point. Frakes called it a "racist piece of sh*t".
I think Garret Wang has said it is the only TNG episode he refuses to watch even once. Can't say I blame him.
Yeah that ones pretty bad
seems like it is only racist if you assume the alien race depicts a modern day race or culture. If you watch the episode thinking that the alien race depicts cultures that existed more in the past, rather than today, then it is an interesting view as you watch the crew try to deal with them on their terms...even though they don't agree with their ways. And dealing with alien cultures with very different values, values the crew don't share or even hate is pretty common in trek.
Sad that was one of the only couple of Tasha centric episodes...she could have been a compelling, albeit attractive, character...just saying...
@@999benhonda Yeah, I understand why they think it's racist. I just think they are blowing it all out of proportion. If they hadn't made them of an African style culture it wouldn't have been racist in their eyes.
I find Threshold to be one of the best unintentional comedies in Star Trek history.
It's one of those episodes that at this stage almost transcends itself. It's just....it is what it is, and I think we either accept that we'll skip it on a rewatch, or grab that bottle of tequila and play the drinking game!
"Here lies Tom Paris, beloved mutant."
I actually enjoyed threshold it gave us a look at a more vulnerable Tom Paris in several scenes as well as letting us see an unhinged Paris.
PEPPERONI!
I relly like Threshold.
And in These are the Voyages not to mention killing off Trip Tucker...ridiculous (although books have him in Section 31 but why does it have to take others to fix this!)
Because people who don't like "trek" are the writers- and they wanted to prevent any movies from ever being made. It was intentional sabotage of the series.
Yeah Trip's death was the most forced horrible way to end a character.
I think the worst part of the episode was killing off Tucker. It's the last damn episode. Just let everyone fly off into the sunset.
@@larrytrail2865 Actually it was the production company that didn't like Enterprise.
They're the ones that killed off, and were most likely responsible for the ending.
Well the jokes on them. Apparently within a year they ended up wiping about 50%-75% off their profit margins because of it.
That's why they did the Abrams-verse reboots.
Those Romulan War books were excellent... I like to think that would have been the next season of the show had they not been canceled... And watch, some network suit said 'another season long war arc, advertisers won't buy it."
But the fans would!
I saw an interview with Gene Rodenberry and Nichelle Nichols where they said, "the network didn't receive any complaints about the interracial kiss, NOT ONE." Nichols said they only letter they got was from a guy in the south who said, "If Kirk is going to kiss Uhura, who am I to say no. You said they received many complaints, well I'd believe them long before I'd believe you.
Many regional stations didn't want to air the IR kiss episode because they thought they'd lose viewers over it but when it finally aired, although the stations got complaints these were not nearly as many as they thought they'd recieve and their viewership didn't much change.
You're correct, I saw the same interview.
The thing that ticked me off about The Kiss is that Kirk was fighting it so much. Captain Lover Boy rejecting a chance to kiss a hottie like Uhura? Please!
@@momkatmax Agreed! I wouldn't call that a kiss, I did a better job in 5th grade!
@@momkatmax If I remember correctly, it wasn't exactly Kirk himself kissing Uhura, since Kirk was under some kind of alien influence at the time of the kiss. I presume that's how it was justified for television in the first place.
I loathed the final episode of Enterprise It killed of Tucker and I wanted to see him marry T'pol
Aye, the way Enterprise ended was beyond the pale.
i agree that their relationship which had been building for a while should have been allowed a happy ending
It was the biggest middle finger to actual fans of the show. It was just starting to get into a good story before they got cancelled. It should have been #1
Thank god for the books.
@@MidlandTexan What happened to Tucker?
The Number 1 on this list is absolutely deserved. Born out of mean spirited twitter drama, and writers who would rather be writing something else than Star Trek
Those "writers" did Icheb dirtier than his parents had... :(
Yep. This was the episode that finished me with 'Picard'. Not only because of the violence done to Icheb, but that a Starfleet Officer would simply 'disappear', and that there would be no search for, or outrage coming from Starfleet - or Janeway, for that matter. And although it may be addressed in later episodes - what about Chakotay? In the final episode(s) of 'Voyager'; it's said that he was never the same after Seven's death - the prevention of which seemed like one of Janeway's motivations for returning to a past Voyager. What happened there...?
That kind of gore just doesn't belong in Star Trek in my opinion. It added nothing to the scene. It was over the top and nearly ruined the show for me.
@@curiousworld7912 I do agree with everything, although the future we see in the beginning of voyager finale is changed by Janeway
@@zunnoab all the examples shown in this video shown around that, vaporisations, Picard stabbed through the heart, numerous scenes of torture and gore through out the fanchise, as well as far more drawn out torture scenes show that this IS something that Trek has ALWAYS done. The only difference is that there is currently a huge antifandom industry surrounding any new iterations of old franchises. Trek, Star Wars, Transformers, numerous computer game franchises... If it's old enough to get a 'new' show or game then the antifandom has hundreds of you tubers and twitter twits willing to try making money off hating anything produced no matter the quality or the attention to Canon. I remember the first article I read about Picard spent almost two thousand words trashing everything about the show... and the only thing announced was the NAME.
Trek has always screwed up the first season of any show. It takes time to build characters and find it's feet. TOS didn't start to shine until the end of the second season, TNG wasn't really worthy of any praise until the third season. DS9 plodded along trying not to be obvious that it was a rip off of Babylon 5 until it finally started finding it's own identity around mid season 2. Voyager was probably the best on arrival until Discovery, but still needed a lot of breaking in before it got good. Enterprise just tried to be the adventures of proto kirk before realising that that wouldn't be enough. It was cancelled just as it was becoming something special. Discovery, one of the most Canon-conscious entries in the entire franchise gets wholly criticised by folk claiming plot holes who just don't understand the lore themselves. Picard was good. Not great. It missed beats, started themes it then ignored or wrapped up too quickly and was massively too deferential to TNG characters who really didn't deserve it. Yet, again, first season. I expected Picard to get lost in nostalgia.
The fact is Icheb was a dull, one dimensional character that was nothing more than an extension of 7 of 9's struggle to reclaim her humanity. It was wholly appropriate that he be sacrificed to explore a further character arc shift for 7. That it was a depiction of gore? Well what about Picard dissecting crew members to get borg components or the death of the borg queen to corrosive gas?
It'd be nice to watch some of these franchises and the media around them without every comment section being solid walls of hate and factually incorrect criticism.
That first episode of Enterprise, when they try to establish that Qo'nos is 4 days away from Earth at mid warp drives me crazy. That would place Qo'nos, like what, 7 seconds away from Earth at high warp?
Mid warp on old scale as well
Mid warp relative to a half max warp engine and using the old metrics
Closer than Alpha Proxima that's for sure.
How di you all work out "warp"?
What is warp speed and how is it calculated, dont tell me it is relative to light speed, OK!!
@@shtcare Warp 5 (the max for Enterprise in this series) is 125 x speed of light. (warp factor to the power of 3) TNG, DS9 and VOY calculate the warp factor to the power of 3.3333333. So simple Equation to solve for distance and you can see how close Q'onos would have to be to Earth. It's actually even worse, because the ship at This point in the series could really only hit warp 4.7 or 4.8 tops, and we really don't know for how long. Likely not four days. Which means they'd have to go maybe warp 4 (64c) and put Q'onos even closer (about 0.175 light years if my math is correct).
Maybe they weren’t considered terrible at the time but “The Child” and “Sub Rosa” are two episodes which stand out as problematic from TNG. of course, the decision to murder Tuvix to split him back into Tuvok and Neelix in “Tuvix” is pretty controversial, too.
I second Sub Rosa, though mostly because it felt like an entirely different show belonging to a series that wasn't Star Trek. Season Seven had some weird episodes. Remember that one with Data and the sun and moon and some other weird shit taking over the Enterprise and turning into a temple or something...yeah season seven was odd to say the least.
Splitting Tuvix apart was not the same as murdering Sim in enterprise
Especially if we consider the conservation of energy.
@@project_nihilist two into one during a malfunction should ONLY result to reverse the malfunction.
NO murder was committed
Total BS. If it happened to you WHAT would you do, would want you to happen to fix it?
@@joshuaweston4489 I believe that episode (in case you were wondering) was called "Masks". Yeah I felt that one was a bit out of place. But in the last few episodes of TNG, it was pretty obvious they were running out of ideas although most ST series go for 6-7 seasons (with the exception of TOS which only was 3 seasons or around 36 episodes total I think).
It pissed me off when Jadzia was written off cuz the actress wanted less screentime like wth, Jadzia coulda just had a baby and got sent back to Trill or due to complications or something. even my grandmother walked by the screen in horror and she doesn't even watch the show.
Becker she left for
Maybe But I did love ezree How ever you spell her name.
I thought the actress went to work on another show with Ted Danson
@@karmabum21 'Becker'. Good show!
@@dmclegg66 I thought she was such a bad replacement. Like had she just appeared in one episode to show that Dax was still living on and to make peace with the DS9 crew then move on to something else it would have been okay. But her staying ruined things because Jadzia played the role so well and was loved and her replacement didn't live up to the Dax Symbiont.
What pissed me off was when "logical" and "scientific" Spock went all anthropocentric in _The Trouble with Tribbles_ when he called them "useless". As a "science-minded individual" he'd know that a species only has to be useful _to itself_, not to humans (or Vulcans). They were obviously a rather successful species, so .... so they breed a lot, at least they don't have to beg to Unicef to keep it up.
That's true! And, evidently, they serve as a major food source on their home planet. And "not useful" can be applied to any animal that is kept as a pet.... even the Sehlat!
And in the final ten words or so you show your colours. Lovely.
Yeah he seemed to forget all about the IDIC philosophy of infinite diversity in infinite combination. Strange for a Vulcan to do that.
You are confused. The standards for animals and sentient species are different. If tribbles can be purchased they can be useless.
@@alphanerd7221 1. You are confused about the difference between sentient and sapient. Animals are sentient. Humans and Vulcans are sapient. And humans can be sold, too, therefore, humans can also be useless (the slave who refuses to work, for instance. Might as well kill it, it's useless.)
For me the biggest issue in Stardust City Rag isn’t that it is dark, but it is a tonal mess. It starts with poor Icheb getting his eye yanked out, has Picard and crew dressing up in silly costumes and using silly accents in the middle, then has Seven killing someone in cold blood at the end. I’m not saying you can’t inject a little humor in a dark story, but in this case the different acts felt completely disconnected from each other.
👍Yep!
Especially since we’re not clear if the universal translator even translates accents
I agree, but tonal mess aside, Icheb is brought back only to be brutally tortured. I hate dumb camp, but I'll take that over torture porn. Nevermind Star Trek is supposed to be optimistic too. DS9 could get dark without going to some of those places. Maybe with the shift in American politics, they eventually get back to that.
Its my favorite and maybe just a fan debate but "in the pale moonlight" got a lot of flack. Still love that episode
One of the greatest episodes of Star Trek!!
It’s an episode that was loved by most, from what I know
Amazing episode
@@sean.ferrick ee. Eveeeeeee is. Ee eee. E b. T h. J fhr.
My jaw hit the ground watched “in the pale moon light! One of the best Trek episode ever made! In war all is fair to a point but sometimes one could reason their way thru anything.
TNG: Sub Rosa, why is that not on this list. That episode was so un-noteworthy and needlessly stupid.
That's the only TnG episode I haven't watched all the way through. It was just so incredibly dull.
Agreed.
What do you mean, Crusher banging a Scottish space ghost is a highlight entire franchise.
Not for the right reasons but hey, I have fun watching it.
I thought for sure this would be #1.
It's a list of controversial episodes, which isn't necessarily the same thing as bad episodes.
I'm really surprised TNG's Code of Honor wasn't on the list.
and “Up The Long Ladder” but since it’s the Irish, it’s not considered racist or offensive.
@@Slopmaster Interestingly, Up The Long Ladder pissed me off for racism, but Code Of Honor pissed me off for other reasons, to the point that I genuinely forgot about the racist problems with it about halfway through the episode.
Specifically, Code of Honor has Picard order a genocide because he was on hold for a couple of seconds (well, genocide is arguably too strong a term, but he does have Worf nuke the planet back into the stone age using photon torpedoes).
The most racist episode ever and the reason fans never saw a black planet again!
Very surprised the hippy one from the original series isn't in there. Can't remember the title because I never watch it. I truely loathe that episode
@@ianedwards9809 The Way to Eden.
The episode with Ichep's death was gut wrenching! I understand the set up reasons, but damn! Gut punch!
Yeah just when you were happy to see anyone from Voyager, that...
@@rockymountain2704 precisely!! 😭😭
This just set the tone for how STP handled fan service. They take established legacy characters and destroy and disrespect them.
It felt like it was done to make a point to the previous actor. For playing the his former role in a fan made trek. Star Trek: Renegades.
@@rockymountain2704 we saw him growing up, achieving his goals, embracing humanity... I don't think he disserved that fate. But I felt so good when seven avenged him.
I honestly thought the Enterprise "finale" would have been number one to be fair.
I never finished Enterprise after everyone thought it was funny Trip got raped and what happened in Dear Doctor.
@@asahearts1 Trip got what?!
@@chrisdefresne3235 it was when he got pregnant
I just pretend it was based on fake records like in that novel
Enterprise deserved better.
Unbelievable that TNG's "Journey's End" is never even mentioned in these lists and I knew plenty of people who were pissed off by DS9's "Rejoined."
I guess since there was nothing from Discovery is in this video, TrekCulture must be taking the stance that Discovery is not Star Trek.
People can't be pissed off about something they don't watch.
Or they couldn't settle on just one episode since nearly all of them are worthy of the list.
@@Dargonhuman I think we all know that criticizing Discovery will get you called a white supremacist so they're probably just trying to avoid trouble.
Not necessarily, it most likely means that Discovery is just a really well done show and hasn't upset anybody. (Why is everyone in the comments section so negative and pissy?? Are y'all hangry, do you need to eat food, so you feel better??)
@@hunterofendermen367 "Discovery is just a really well done show" yes, I'm sure that's the case. There's been nothing but praise for Discovery all over the internet and zero criticism of its writing, characters, story or continuity. No criticism at all. Everyone loves it. Everyone.
I was pissed off at all 10 episodes of Picard because it was so inexcusably stupid and wasting the return of the characters of Ryan, Spiner, and Patrick Stewart.
I have heard they are having trouble getting insurance for Stewart due to his age they should have set the new series round one of the younger actors for practical reasons
@@PaulaSB12 If you've seen the last episode of the first season (just in case, I won't spoil it), I believe they're setting up so they at least have the option of switching to a new actor while essentially keeping the same character. I mean, nobody's going to want to watch "Star Trek: Picard" if Picard isn't in it.
Also, I was more pissed at Icheb being killed off then in how it happened. I mean, I had seen him in Tuvok's ill-fated, single episode "Star Trek: Renegades," & thought he deserved more then just a death scene cameo appearance in one episode.
But then, I thought Hugh would have more of a role in the series, too, & that didn't turn out so well, either.
What REALLY pissed Me off was when DATA was taken offline for good in the final episode of the season. I mean, the guy was recreated from a single positron- which isn't even possible, because that's not how positrons work. You'd think he might have wanted another body, either as another android or maybe as the computer for the ship Picard & the rest were on so he'd take over as the holographic "crew." But no!!! Even as one character is given near-immortality by having his consciousness transferred to a golem, the guy who is immortal is being killed off.
(Although I don't think even unplugging the guy would kill him. Just put him to sleep until someone else plugged him in again.) What was that whole sequence about, anyway!?
From a sole in-universe point of view, I totally get your frustration about Data (also brownie points for pointing out that the "recreation from a single positron"-part is bullshit).
However, I read an Interview with Brent Spiner (from the 90s or early 2000s I think) where he said he wanted the character Data to be killed off somehow, because he as an actor is aging and the character is not and he doesn't want to make excuses etc for why the actor is aging when Data shouldn't be. In the end, we not only got lame excuses in Picard's Season 3 but also nightmare-inducing CGI in season 1, sooo...two losses. Yay.
I totally get Spiner's point and I really appreciate that he didn't want to reprise this wildly recognized character indefinitely and valued a believable story higher. I don't know if he changed his mind or was convinced that the tellings of ST: Picard were actually good but when I saw that they let Data FINALLY die in the end of Season one (despite him already having died way before...) I was okay with it. But that was more because I was so upset of Picard making Data alive again in the first place (despite what Brent Spiner wished for his character) and not because I thought it was a logical thing to do from an in-universe perspective.
One could argue that Data asked to die, because it's the one human experience that he didn't have, but. Oh well. There are like a dozen reasons why that doesn't make sense at all I'd say.
I believe for the transgender episode, Frakes asked for the alien character to be played by a man, but the studio refused
I certainly read that, I'm not sure if he actually asked for that, but he was certainly quoted as saying that he felt the episode would have had a stronger impact had Soren been played by a Male actor, and I certainly understand his thinking here
@@sean.ferrick I think that is somewhat of trying to change history much like people do with Garak and his sexuality.
I sort of hated this episode as it is definitely an argument against the Trans community.
@@SomeTheorist9090 I felt it was sort of Star Trek TNG'S 'very special episode', which is to say it was both an attempt to highlight trans issues, but that it was written as 40 minutes and done, which is a huge shame.
I dont hate the episode, in fact stand alone I really enjoy it, but the theme was handled a bit clunkily, and closed off a bit too definitively.
I’ve read comments from homophobes about episodes of The Orville dealing with the Moclans. They always go something like “Look at what will happen if gays run things.” It’s stupid and ignorant, but people will always look for justification to their bigotry. Naturally, they fail to see the irony of a homosexual society persecuting heterosexuals and just take it at face value
@@artembentsionov I'm not a "homophobe" as you state. I don't give a crap about a man that wants to be with another man. And I don't care if a woman wants to be with another woman. Who cares? Pretty much nobody except a very small minority. So if you don't like the fact that many men and women like each other seems to indicate you are a heterosexualphobe.
Picard has me so disappointed in what they did to a character so beloved and a universe that is so idealistic. They perverted the new star trek shows that the feeling of hope is replaced with foreboding anxiety. That sense of curiosity is replaced with bewilderment.
The initial idea was supposed to be star trek academy... where Picard is now a lecturer, a Dean, some adjunct professor.... where we get to see new recruits of the future being trained by an old fox. It could've been episodic, it could have had jokes but also introspection as these new recruits learn of federation/star fleet values. Come to grips with death, explore the various roles of fields in star fleet. They could have shown serious conflict and how leaders delegate... it could have shown an admiral Picard busting the chops of an arrogant captain wannabe recruit. That to me is the wish I had for his return... now they ruined it with this bs.
Mohamed, I agree with everything you say. But I saw it in a different light. Picard is an outcast, a pariah. A bitter old man. And the Federation and Starfleet are heading towards moral ruin. So Picard and his motley crew go about what they do best - they strive for new ideals, new hopes, a new and better and more just future. It is the very thing that made ST great - not being in an idealistic society, but continually striving to make it so, even though it is quite difficult, and often costly, because reality is not as black-and-white and simple as we hope.
And their task in this is also inward, as they face their own histories, their failures and their inner demons. They are initially all driven by anger. But we see them learning to forgive and accept not just each other, but also themselves.
To me, this is Star Trek at its' purest.
Yes, the beat of the drum sounds different in ST Picard, as it does in ST Below Decks. But it is - to me, anyway - very much the same drum that Gene Roddenberry sounded all those years ago.
I basically don't regard Star Trek: Picard as canon anymore then I regard the Star Wars Sequel trilogy as canon. Just because the producers and writers say something in canon doesn't mean you have to recognize it as canon.
@@wolfhound113 Except it isnt Star Trek at it's purest. Star Trek is about a humanity that is past this crap, that's the central core tenet of the entire series. Both Discovery and Picard looked at that, and chucked it in a bin so they could write yet more misery porn, because ALL THE REST of Sci-Fi isn't already doing that right? The exception is The Orville, which is somehow to closer to Trek than Trek is, while still presenting the issues.
The problem is picard and those like him are the exceptions. The federation is dystopian. It always has been. Gene's vision failed where telling a good human story begins.
@@torgadogwielder808 It's literally a post-scarcity society with no poverty, no crime, where we Actually respect indigenous cultures, and strive for better. That's the farthest thing from dystopian. I'm sick of people twisting everything into somehow dystopian. It's lazy, and completely unoriginal, with absolutely no merit at all.
I know it’s not an episode, but Enterprise D being destroyed in ST Generations has pissed me off for over 26 years now
For me, it's the *way* the ship met its end, Snake. First, why in the flying **** would you have the shield frequency displayed like that in engineering? It's kinda like posting the secure password on a bulletin board. And then, knowing that the battle section is about to blow up while they're in orbit around a planet, wouldn't you think they'd take the saucer section *away* from the planet, to avoid any chance of ending up in it's atmosphere/gravity well? I'd think you'd want to get clear of the planet ASAP, because you'd know the shock wave from the blast would cause a loss of control. Heck, I'm still trying to get somebody to explain to me where they got the Enterprise-A from at the end of ST:IV - The Voyage Home. Seriously, did Starfleet build a new, old-design ship or did they take an existing ship and re-name it?
@@charlied5953 I'm going to attempt to answer your Question about the Enterprise-A. I don't know if it's canon or not but it is generally accepted in Trek fandom that the Enterprise-A was suppose to be the USS Yorktown. Then upon the destruction of the original Enterprise the Yorktown was renamed.
SnakeVenom3000, the reason they destroyed the Enterprise-D in the first movie was that they wanted a new model. You see the Enterprise-D model was built for television. It was thought that that it was not detailed enough for movies. I disagree, I thought the Enterprise-D would have been fine for the movies, but that was the decision that was made.
It was annoying, if for no other reason but that it was something that they had done before in a Star Trek movie.
@@robertperry8392 "When construction began on the Enterprise-A in the early 2280s, the ship was named the USS Ti-Ho and assigned the registry number, NCC-1798. After the events that occurred during "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home", Federation President Hiram Roth ordered that the Ti-Ho be renamed Enterprise and assigned the registry NCC-1701-A; the official commissioning occurred in that same year at the San Francisco Fleet Yards." (excerpts from the Enterprise A article on the Memory Alpha and Memory Beta sites)
The story of the Yorktown origin comes from a suggestion from Gene Roddenberry made that the USS Yorktown was rechristen Enterprise, but that doesn't make sense, in that the USS Yorktown was an already existing Constitution class starship that was temporarily disabled by the whale probe. Why would Star Fleet recover/repair one of its starship that already had been in service and rechristen it essentially on the spur of the moment, reassign the crew, and replace them with Kirk and Co.? Logically, it makes more sense for the replacement ship to be one that was under construction and nearing completion (bearing a more obscure name) to become the new USS Enterprise. A further confirmation that it was most likely the Ti-Ho comes from Montgomery Scott himself, "Captain Scott alludes to the ship being newly built in the ship's log of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, stating "This new ship must have been built by monkeys". "
The Picard episode was so shocking that I had to replay the scene a few times. The "doctor's" apathy the the ex-borg's suffering is absolutely extreme.
Best scene
Kirk finally fed up trying to make a truce with a guy who is now pulling off a cliff kicks him repeatedly in the head while saying 'I have had enough of you' Thr guy falls to his death.
Star Trek: The Search For Spock (third movie)
I remember that.
and that guy was played by christopher lloyd
I think the whole thing with Icheb was... why is he being vivisected? Are borg parts not functional if removed under anesthesia?
I think they considered Icheb to be nothing more than a collection of Borg parts in a disposable meat container.
That's something I didn't like in Picard. They killed off so many legacy characters and it just felt unnecessary.
It "needed"* to be brutal so Seven could be vicious/angry. So she could become a reason in her final step in becoming Sigourney Weaver from her latter Alien movies?
Worst episode I've ever seen.
And ripping out parts so haphazardly would damage them
@@NeoTechni I know, right? They could have given him a nice, cooling bath. In warp plasma coolant.
didn't know that about "Dear Doctor". i thought it was brilliant and shows the range of Phlox's actor.
It completely shows the writers have no clue what evolution and natural selection are. It suffers from the belief that nature has some genetic plan. The fact that the Valakians had the ability to contact other worlds to ask for help is just as much part of natural selection as any mutation is.
@@carlrood4457 i looked at it not from an evolution but an ethics point of view. this was pre-prime directive after all.
@@jaives how is it ethical to just let them die because "eVoLuTiOn"
just like a wildlife photographer/ranger doesn't interfere even if it's say an endangered cheetah being attacked by lions. actions can have unforeseen consequences no matter how good the intention. and that was mankind's first foray into that ethical dilemma. is it altruism or playing god? like i said, this was pre-prime directive, so archer had to make the call.
@@jaives and yet, if you saw a person being attacked it would be morally right to try to save them, even if its risky. we also protect endangered species.
"Plato's Stepchildren" is television history. Even if the episode was weak and the plot was just device to make it happen. It's good for that alone. Mirror Mirror kiss was not black / white, if you want to quibbles technicalities sure, but this is the one that counted.
"Shades of Grey" was the worst TNG episode. Didn't know it was a writer strike thing.
"Lower Decks" could be so much better. It's mostly loud and obnoxious. There's so many good comical Star Trek episodes and moments it could draw from. "Message in a Bottle" is the best episode of Voyager as well as the funniest. Q should've gotten his own Lower Decks episode not some stupid side-gag. There are so many more / better in-jokes they could do. Then again Treks do sort of get a 2 season grace period to work out the kinks? so … fingers-crossed.
I remember "Rejoined" having a disclaimer, subsequent reruns didn't though. Younger me ever so briefly thought this was the best episode of Star Trek ever … for some reason(?)
For me "Threshold" crosses over into "so bad it's good" territory. It's stupid, it shouldn't be considered cannon, but at points it's so stupid it's funny(?)
"…These are The Voyages" is so/so but fine as long as Trip didn't actually die. They need to make this cannon, I'll even take a passing mention on "Lower Decks".
"The Outcast" address gay issues? That's one way to put it.
"Dear Doctor" was a good episode. I liked it a lot at the time. Especial after coming off of Voyager where there was always some action issue to get past at the 45 minute mark. I don't recall this having any action like some TNG episodes. Though I watched it again last year, and it struck me as way screwed up and creepy.
"Stardust City Rag" is the worst episode of Trek I've ever seen. The graphic torture was the worst thing I've ever seen in Star Trek. Then when you find out it was Icheb and they only brought him back to do THAT to him. Are we trying to be Game of Thrones or something? Icheb was usually a lighter part of Voyager. It reminded me of all the times I wished Voyager had been a bit edgier with more consequences. I do stand by those criticisms. Though be careful what you wish for.
Great list. I want to say they should put more Discovery in there, but then the list would be nothing but that. Discovery is its own can of ¿worms?
Plato's Stepchildren is in no way history. Not by several years. Casualty had the first interracial kiss on TV. The first one on American TV was Sammy Davis, Jr. kissing Nancy Sinatra on a variety special. And neither of them was having their faces mashed together by telekinetic aliens.
@@WakenerOne British shows don’t count. Didn’t you know? 😀
Yes, so light the way he was a weapon genetically engineered by his parents sent off to die alone.
Code of Honor. I have spoken,
So to sum it up if the episode shocks a group’s personal values they should just suck it up and accept it. Nope, people are entitled to their own values. Cramming a view down people’s throats is never a good idea.
Depends on the views, if they are prejudice, then they really should open up and learn to live with and respect the fact that other people exist and should be treated fairly.
@@punkwrestle That's some very convoluted logic you have there. If we have to treat people with other views "fairly", that must also include people that are viewed as "prejudiced". If not, then you are no better than the person you claim doesn't have a right to their so-called bad views. I put those words in quotes because they are often misused by people with an agenda who feel free to tell others what views they are allowed to have.
You are largely correct here, and unfortunately we live in a time where certain sets of viewpoints are continually being shoved down our throats in every available medium, from the media to our tv shows to our video games. When the propaganda reaches these kinds of levels that means you have a war on your hands, and in our case it's a culture war.
RE: "Plato's Stepchildren", check out the article on the episode at the Agony Booth website. It would be more accurate to say the episode featured the first interracial kiss between a Caucasian man and and a woman of African descent on prime-time, continuing dramatic American TV. It was by no means the first ever, anywhere. The reason the episode ticks me off is that the villains treat our heroes horribly, and completely escape any sort of justice. They are left free to victimize anyone else they choose, and both sides know it. Kirk should've at least punched Parmen in the mouth before beaming out.
The thing that ticked me off was the poor writing plus the actors appeared embarrassed to be in the poorly written show. The kiss didn’t even register to me as I was appalled by the acting and writing. And I saw it first-run.
Not arguing your points at all, but what seems to be left out is that it wasn't a consensual kiss. They were forced like puppets. They did not choose to kiss each other, it was like holding two dolls up next to each other face to face. So it wasn't meaningful with respect to the characters. When I saw it as a kid, I didn't even notice the interracial nature of it, I was appalled by the way each of the Enterprise crew were being manipulated against their will!
@@rosebutler9586 you were lucky then because the BBC banned the episode from UK broadcast and it wasn't shown until the Beebs licence expired and Sky TV picked it up in the early 1990s.
I watched "Rejoined" in my province of Nova Scotia, Canada when it originally aired on our local affiliate. I didn't even know there WAS a kiss until a co-worker, who had watched it on a cable network, told me there was. My local affiliate had cut the scene and since there was no internet back then, it took me years to finally see the uncut scene in a re-run. I was soooooo angry!
Halifax here. I remember that and had the same reaction. That was CTV, as I recall.
@@bradfilippone7064 Waaaaay back when and it was MITV which is no more of course. I remember because I wrote them and gave them a piece of my mind and called them a bunch of homophobic jerks.
Wow even for the time that's bad, such a tame episode by today's standards.
@@stevedax6947 I know. I was really quite shocked to find out they did it... especially after finally seeing it. I was like, huh? That's what you didn't want people to see?
The opening of "Startdust City Rag' almost put me right off Picard... almost. I can forgive, but I'll not forget.
It certainly made its point,this is not the trek we knew!
That Seven of Nine episode in Picard is distasteful. Well said.
I feel like “These Are the Voyages” was solely created to destroy any hope of Enterprise getting revived.
You left out Star Trek discovery pissing almost everyone off.
Me: Why haven't I subscribed to this .. seems good.
Show: mentions Discovery, Lower decks, Picard.
Me: Oh yeah that's why...
The thing that pissed me off the most about Echeb, was that they killed his character off in the first place... idk if its cannon or not but in Star Trek Renegades hes a total bad-ass and I was really hoping to see some kind of transition from his normal to the wild man he turned into.
Renegades is not canon, and the original Icheb is a dick, which is why they killed him off.
Mike Stoklasa postulated that Icheb's gruesome death was a fuck you to Manu Intiraymi, the original actor who portrayed him on Voyager, after he was less than sympathetic towards Anthony Rapp over the Kevin Spacey issue.
God am I sick of politics.... Ruining everything.
The Phlox episode listed was literally, "You're NOT OK with doing your job as a doctor and saving the lives of people we've just mingled with and who had had relations to OTHER species in the galaxy, because the other species on their planet MAY rise to take their place? OK, well that makes sense. We did a good deed today."
And my big problem with DS9 is in my absolute honest opinion: there IS no nuance with terrorism. Guerilla warfare, sure, even making armed forces GENUINELY fear you is acceptable as a tactic, and arguably a damn good one, but actively harming civilians is not nor will ever be excusable by ANY ideology and by ANY lack of resources, and you lose any credibility you claim you have the moment you resort to it. That said, I still enjoy DS9 *despite* trying to say "terrorism nuanced, m'kay?". Because the characters honestly worked really well off of eachother, and it was not afraid to tell a dark story, with all the nuance it had (which is a double edged sword with a show you're using to moralize, but if they LACKED said nuance entirely, they would have just made one side squeaky clean and the other objectively 100% evil), to the point where people *still* argue over both the Bajoran resistance, AND the the Maquis.
Where I stand, particularly, for the five-ish people who may care: I don't like the Bajoran Resistance, nor do I really like Kira. But I can undersrand what got them to their point, and while I can blame them for bad (in both senses) tactics, I cannot blame them for the desperation that drove them there. In regards to the Maquis, the Federation sacrificed *their homes* for the sake of a treaty that nobody with a working brain would have thought would hold, and then expected every one of these supposedly free colonists, who had by this point established themselves and made something to be proud of, to pack up and leave when ordered by a government that *lacked the authority to tell them to leave.* Which the Federation did in fact lack, if not literally, than on principle (nor to consider them traitors for seceeding, to protect their own homes after being effectively abandoned to the wolves).
I think you really need to think deeply about being faced with opponents that you in no way an ever contend with, even in a guerilla war. Asymmetrical warfare is often the only method open to some people. There is nuance to terrorism, especially when a population allows the subjugation of others. If your country was taken over and you had no way of effectively fighting any kind of conventional war, what other options would you have to try to win back your freedom?
This was also explored in the Reimagined Battlestar Galactica. Science Fiction should present these problems and give you space to make your own decisions, well good Science Fiction should.
@@Nevets1073 OK but you should clearly have been able to tell by the full content of what I said that my problem is *not* with asymetrical warfare or insurgency tactics. Hell, I don't even on a fundamental level take issue with some things *most* people do, such as assassination as a tactic.
My problem is when those tactics stop caring about what is hit, or worse, go full Taliban/IRA and actively target non-combatants. There's no justification that'll square me with car-bombing an apartment or office building for instance. Something that deliberately targets a civilian for their little war is no longer a person and should be put down like a beast quick enough that anyone else even considering slipping that low rethinks their options.
George Washington was a terrorist. Fight me!
I loved the Enterprise episode Dear Doctor it was powerful and gave us a more in depth view of Phlox.
I agree, my problem with it was I felt it was unbelievably unrewatchable. I skip it every time I rewatch Enterprise.
Not a bad effort, but HOW can this list not include Tuvix and Code of Honor?
Honestly, neither of these came across as things to make me mad, they were just both REALLY BAD TV. Tuvix is actually pretty iconic for me at this point. It perfectly showcases just how unethical Janeway was. She always just did whatever she wanted and didn't really care about the consequences, just using "the Regulations" as a milk sop to justify things. Code of Honor, that one I couldn't believe made it on air. Was it actually *ist? No, but it was incredibly poorly written and acted and anyone with half a brain had to have suspected it would be attacked as *ist. Tracy Tormé actually suggesting it was supposed to be "1940s tribal Africa" themed make it feel like a false flag attack. "We want ratings from controversy but aren't skilled enough to write something truly worthy of controversy." Both of these were just sad, sad television.
I know one episode that probably pissed off the CAST, the DS9 episode where they have to sing a nursery rhyme and do the hop scotch, move along home.
Lol! Yep!
it was humorous.
That one made me want to gouge my own eyes out. Watching a badass like Captain Sisko doing hopscotch was just too much.
Season 2, Episode 15 of Deep Space Nine, ("Paradise") pissed me the hell off when I saw it the first time. Not only because of the villainous and despotic Alixus, but because at the end of the episode everyone on the planet -- who was forced to go there because Alixus LIED TO THEM AND PURPOSEFULLY ISOLATED THEM LIKE THE CULT LEADER SHE IS -- decide they'd rather stay behind rather than accept rescue.
I have to bite a pillow each time I think of that episode.
She is the devil. The epitome of inability to relate to and have compassion for others. A true "conservative"
Yeah that was pretty bad. Whatever they were trying to do with that episode just flat out didn’t work
Only Enterprise’s finale actually pissed me off. How the hell did the show runners think that was a good idea by any measure?
They probably thought it was what the fans wanted. Back then, Enterprise was being heavily criticized by a segment of Star Trek fans I refer to as the "TNG snobs". While they've largely gone away, they were a very annoying part of the fan base that acted like anything that wasn't TNG was crap.
@@ChewyChicken589 Although as a big fan of DS9, I will say the snobbery continues with many DS9 fans who hate on anything Trek post-DS9 no matter what and herald DS9 as the pinnacle of perfection in Star Trek. Some even going as far as hating on TNG as well.
@@justinb864 maybe, DS9 was always my favorite but it never stopped me from loving Enterprise and Voyager
@@ChewyChicken589 this same group protested DS9 when it first came out “it’s to dark! That’s not Star Trek!” But in my opinion DS9 is far, far better than TNG. At least the writing and story lines were.
Duet from ST DS9 Season 2 Episode 10 was my favorite because of the actor Harris Yullin and the way he says the line "You call it genocide but I call it a days work!!!" To Kiera
yeah but that didnt piss anyone off, everyone loves that episode, because its a good episode, and while he portrays himself as a monster who says things like that, the truth at the end of the episode is that hes anything but a monster. I agree thought its an outstanding episode. one of my favorite.
Yes, Duet is an episode that stays with you. The entire story is incredibly powerful, doubly so for how it is performed.
That is one of the best episodes of any show ever. I still burst into tears when Maritza loses his Darheel act. Every. Single. Time.
That would imply that its not a bad episode, but one of the best episodes. this is a video about all the bad episodes. So keep Duet away from this video. Duet is precious gold. This video is about the trash section of star trek
@@youtubeistryingtocensorme Okay, so let's just say that Circuits and Cigars' comment was of the "on-the-other-hand" type.
IMO, "Duet" was one of the very best ST episodes ever aired, (despite the obviously gratuitous or contractual O'Brien and Quark cameos). Yulin and Visitor _both_ gave what I consider to be Emmy-quality performances. In Yulin's long career I was so glad to see him get a starring role, and even though just a TV show, I think it may have been the best performance of his career.
Of course, it's hard to be recognized for a great performance without a great script -- and this episode had it.
Another of ST's finest episodes was TNG's "Inner Light". Notice, folks, how neither of these needed a lot of "spacey" stuff, and not a single phaser was fired. A great story works in any context. Also, any story that can choke me up must be good. I mean, someone would have to be some kind of stump not to be deeply moved by Picard playing that flute at the end, or when Marritza crumbled from his deception.
I loved the series Lower Decks. It shows what the lower ranking crew have to do on the ship. It’s a unique view of how the rest of the ships crew liv.
As for the ending to Enterprise I wish it had the crew aged and being present when the new ship was launched under Pikes command. Then the ending with the different ships.
I thought Code of Horror would be number one well played
Imagine if a show did something like that today! Lol. TNG would have been canceled in it’s first season! And rightly so! Lol
You forgot the singing of IRA songs sung by Chief O'Brien . But being Irish you chose to ignore the travesty.
Idk how the general consensus will be but i love lower decks its refershingly different from the stuffy officer view we generally get
As a Star Trek fan, I can honestly say, no episode PISSED me off. I love each and everyone of them! Still, it will be interesting to see what you come up with! What PISSED me off is when the episode was late by a pre-empted NEWS broadcast or a sporting event going into overtime!!! And then sometimes they will come back to the episode: ALREADY IN PROGRESS!!! Missing the teaser and maybe the first act. Thank goodness for Re-runs!
Same here. Always found that infuriating. Especially the "now we join our regularly scheduled already in progress" crap.
Star Trek Picard pissed me off altogether. The ending especially was so awful. I see no room for a season 2.
And Jadzia dying at the end of the second last season of DS9. Ezri was fine for a personality, but her story was terrible to replace Jadzia.
Also forgot about the Talosians episode in Disco. Hated the revisit to “The Cage” pilot episode. Nothing was revealed at any point through Star Trek to have them go back there. Just bait to have people watch it.
Jadzia quit the series so it was a way to end her character.
Star Trek Picard pilot episode pissed me off more than any of the ones on your list ... it starts with a martial arts brawl, rather than using phasers or any other tech.
My reaction was: this isn't Trek ... and I dropped the series before giving it a chance ... don't bother trying to convince me to come back to it either, it stays dropped.
I watched the whole season just to see if it was a bad as I'd heard. . . it wasn't.
It was worse.
After seeing Star Trek:New Voyages here, it suddenly dawned on me that I have yet to hear you mention Star Trek Continues in any of your vids
When you were speaking of the graphic scenes at the end, it made me think of probably the grossest episode, TNG's Conspiracy. If I remember it right, it had a body blown apart and missing a head with little alien creatures littered all over the place. I couldn't believe it when I first saw it.
tng "body blown apart" was story driven whereas k-trek violence is done purely for shock and gross out reasons
Yeah, that was an awful story and indicative of TNG's chaotic first season. Basically pointless story capped off by a needless "gross-out" scene that was obviously intended to generate some buzz.
@@HerrEllsworth would you consider tng's use of gross out violence gratuitous and unnecessary like it is on k-trek
@@joeespin4377 That particular sequence in TNG was both unnecessary and gratuitous. It was for blatant shock value, nothing more.
@@HerrEllsworth was?
Did you just call Star Trek Picard "good trek"?
Picard isn't even real Star Trek.
@@ahallock Picard is fantastic and a more up to date Trek and Discovery is even better :)
Opinions bro
Bad Universe Star Trek.
From what I've heard, "Picard" may be a good story, but it's not Star Trek because it totally ruins the whole concept of what Starfleet is supposed to be about or how it's supposed to handle such concepts as equality and personhood.
I would say episode 1 of season 1 in Discovery pissed most people off especially seeing the klingons...
"It's starting discussion." Discussion about what? You couldn't even find something to say about it now. How pulling somebody's eye out looks gross? Okay. That says a lot about society man, people should be allowed to get their eyes pulled out whenever they want.
It's controversial because it doesn't mean anything. Interracial kiss, gay rights, transgender acceptance. Guy gets his eye pulled out so seven shoots him because pain hurts or something and the future doesn't have good medicine. It's pointless and doesn't make sense. Now discuss.
This seems to be the only comment I can find, maybe missed several, butsince, but no discussion on last gruesome scenes to explain or bemoan something I hadn't heard about before
All I know is they did the same thing in Avengers movie to make audience feel the horror of forced obedience, I guess
@@paulisaacson6044 that makes sense in avengers. But in Picard*(edit) the character they wanted us to hate dies in the same episode a few minutes later. Maybe it's to give Seven motivation or to introduce her character. But it has nothing to do with her after this episode. And it doesn't fit her character that's been established.
You'd think she would go on some great quest to save borgs this keeps happening too, or start searching for other borgs she knew that dissapeared, but no. It's just a gruesome scene.
@Jesse Noals thanx you got me back here, had no idea what end of this video would be, which basicly and briefly said is monstrous, then nothing after this in comments, kinda scary, went all the way to the end this time, bout 4 see more commets, small thread claim that actor was in disfavor, then coming back, icheb and vivisection, so missed those refs, but as above, no discussion, there's an enormous transgender chain, but would think this would have been an issue outside the internet, have seen some mention of picard nothing noting this
@Jesse Noals had always bothered me every borg killed had been someone, same in matrix, whole shootout scene, why guns, killing cowering guard, so not so alone now thanx
To the point about the star trek writers sometimes being surprised at how conservative some of the fans are despite the show basically ALWAYS being unashamedly liberal in political direction, that's something I've encountered too, and it always leads to "fans" who can rationalize past controversies with the show but always seem to be waiting for something new with Trek to get all up in a conservative huff about when their delicate sensibilities are challenged by one of the shows.
I'm new to Trek and I thought all the right wing snowflakes left years ago. Then I said how much I enjoyed Discovery. Boy I was wrong about the awful people being gone.
i begrudging accepted Enterprise as canon because they at least tried to stay within established canon but as far as i'm concerned there hasn't been any canon star trek since
LOL! Lower Decks is a lot more 'Star Trek' than Discovery ever was.
Fvck discovery.
That must mean you think Discovery is REALLY awesome!
Here we go again with subjective hate masquerading as generic objective claim....
@@Sinleqeunnini want me to be more specific in my distaste for Discovery? It's nothing about the characters nor the actors. Just the writing. The writing is really really bad.
That's not saying much.
I think most of the Star Trek Discovery episodes pissed me off much more that any other episode in any other version of Star Trek
I only watched the first season of Discovery that was enough for me....that shit is not Star Trek
Not really got episodes i hate but loved TNG Inner Light, Enterprise Shuttle pod 1and the DS9 nine episode ( title eludes me ) where Odo is taking Quark to court to testify against the Orion Syndicate in a sabotaged runabout
Yeah ok. PS FU!
The real problem with "Dear Doctor" is the way it fundamentally misrepresents how evolution works. I mean weren't there any science advisors on this show?
The idea that a genetic line fades into senescence like an aging person isn't justified anywhere in the show. And it makes no sense.
Add to that the fact that species as technologically advanced as those in the show would long since have developed the power to alter their own genetic destiny.
This episode is driven by the kind of misunderstanding of evolution that would be more at home with a 1930s eugenics advocate than a modern, literate, sci fi writer.
Second worst: Enterprise finale which was an insult to the cast & crew of Enterprises
WORST: ALL OF ST DISCOVERY! CANCEL THAT CRAP!
I always loved enterpice for not having the prime directive, it just gets in the way
Well, if it didn't exist, most episodes would have been over in ten minutes.
@@snate56 i wouldnt care, just do as is needed to survive!
The Federation's motto should be "Easier to do and ask forgiveness, than to ask permission to act"
0:56 the moment somehow the original series is higher resolution than deep space nine.
The original series was remastered high definition for Blu-Ray (and that is the version available on streaming servives) whereas Deep Space 9 has not been (and can not be as easily as it was edited together on 90s def video rather than on the film it was shot on).
@@benjaminolson7206 Yes, I realize. Ds9 was on tape and not film, so the resolution is lost without being completely remade or done through ai learning.
I loved Star Trek: Lower Decks "Second Contact".
Loved this topic it was enjoyable. I have a suggestion. Can Trek Culture do a show on Star Trek fan production. There has been some good stuff made out there that i think should be spotlighted. Star Trek the new voyages comes to mind. Especially since you showed a clip from it. I would think anyone watching this episode of Trek culture would like to see where you got the clip from. Do a best of Trek fan films. Not the worst too many of those and too many people will be hurt lol. Keep up the great work. I appreciate you guys.
I liked all of Star Trek Enterprise, even the ending.
My problem with Enterprise was that every episode was resolved by either using the transporter or the phasors. This was supposed to be man's 1st foray into deep space exploration and they were faster and better armed than almost every ship they encountered. The cast was good though, and I actually liked the final episode.
no you didn't
@@sleepinggorilla Your problems are from your imagination, not the show. The Enterprise was almost always outgunned.
Too many times writers in Star Trek use the concept of genocide or mass extinction as plot device. The original series stories "A Piece of the Action," "Patterns of Force," and "A Private Little War" properly illustrate the reasoning and situation of the Prime Directive. In "A Private Little War" when Kirk finds out the Klingons are arming the villagers with flintlock guns, he realizes the only alternative is to match the Klingon interference. When Kirk asks Scott for 100 flintlocks and Scotty as for clarification, Kirk responds, "100 Serpents..."
But the episodes where they are willing to let a species of intelligent life die out because they are not supposed to interfere are galling. Have the writers, script editors, and producers never heard of the Nuremberg Trials and it's results? Apparently not. Particularly galling for me was the Next Generation episode where Worf's adoptive brother has become involved with a primitive culture which were going to be wiped out by an atmospheric disaster. Picard and Co. decide to let them die and there is even a moment of silence on the bridge -not for the people who died, but for the Prime Directive!!! Fortunately, Worf's brother saved a tribe from the planet using the holodeck to create the image of a series of long caves to give the illusion that they are making a journey to safety. "Who Watches the Watchers" is a better illustration of the non interference concept.
Another problem of Threshold was the misunderstanding of evolution, namely the false idea that evolution is going somewhere specific, rather than being sculpted by natural selection.
I suppose that the primordial humanoid seeding planets with their genome leading to humanoids eventually evolving on these planets is part of this problem too.
I'd say this list could just be filled with all the Discovery and Picard episodes but since they aren't Star Trek I suppose it's a moot point
Damn Right they are not Trek .
You know people were told over and over that Picard would be an entirely different show and have a totally different tone to it so I'm baffled as to why people were so surprised and butt hurt over it
Same goes for Disney Wars "sequels" and Chinballs Dr. Who and everything else in the Nerd world today that was invaded by non fans or at best very casual fans with wayyyyyyyyy over the top agenda. Anything groundbreaking in Star Trek before was food for thought where as everything now you are expected accept as you are told and like every episode or movie even more than the originals or you will be twitter canceled and labeled an German SS officer in charge of a camp.
@@jebediahgentry7029 They said it was a different Star Trek show, not a different show wearing the rotting skin of Star Trek while violating everything the franchise held dear.
The last episode of Enterprise would have been fine overall but without the TNG crossover.
nah. It was still dumb. Killing off a main character in a stupid way. Setting the finale 6 years after the rest of the series. Dragging Shran through the mud.
best moment in Star Trek history has to be Kirk Slapping himself in Plato's step children
There was an episode where Spock smacks him around a little bit when he is take over by a spore. That was good too. Lol.
I am shocked you missed the episode where Crusher falls in love with a trill that then embodies Riker. Then the trill takes over a female host. Where Beverly declined to continue the relationship. I remember at the time that this set alarm bells with people say "homosexuality in star trek"
Yeah, I was thinking about that episode too. They tried to play it off like "oh well, humans aren't used to so much change like this" but it seemed like she was cool with it until the trill was in a female body
but how could the head of Starfleet Medical not have even heard of the Trill when Curzon Dax had served honorably ?
Star Trek doesn't give a shite about continuity. That's a FACT!
Because romantic love involves sexual attraction. You can't force a heterosexual woman to be sexually attracted to another woman. The same goes for someone who is homosexual. You can't expect that person to have sexual attraction for a person of the opposite sex.
@@sarahbrown2789 You're absolutely right. But why not just face that head-on and have Beverly explain that she's straight? I feel like that whole episode was a missed opportunity.
Everyone's wondering where "Code of Honor" and "Tuvix" are; but not "Course: Oblivion?" That one was just plain cruelty to the characters _and_ to the audience; not to mention it really doesn't make much sense.
Am I the only one who enjoyed Tuvix? I completely disagreed with the ending but given that Tim Russ and Ethan Phillips were, you know, contacted to be on the rest of the season, everyone knew Tuvix wasn't going to be around next episode.
Ill defend Code of Honor to my dying breath LOL.
@@IN-tm8mw why? It shows a "species" that consists of black people and shows them as tribesmen and also one of them seemed to be obsessed with a white woman, kinda racist not gonna lie.
I think while Course: Oblivian may have not been well received by some, I found it interesting because you have this problem of demolecularization that's occuring throughout the ship and crew but you are still not aware that this is the copied crew from a prior episode (when they landed on the Demon planet) so it keeps your interest (at least it did for me) until the end when you realize that it was the copied crew that the story was about. Yes it doesn't really fit much into the timeline (other than it occurs after Demon planet or whatever that episode was) but it also introduced the Slipstream drive as well (although this technology proves--later on--not to be as viable solution for getting home, a shown in "Timeless").
@@HR-wd6cw I recall they figure out they're just Demon Planet copies 2/3 to 3/4 through the episode.
The one that pissed me off the most would be the first episode of Discovery. After anxiously awaiting a new Star Trek series, they instead give us "Klingons" that looked like orks, and completely re-imagined everything that we remember that the 10 years before Kirk time frame should have. It quickly became clear that the new show runners had barely a passing knowledge of the rest of the franchise. Enterprise, nicely explained why Klingons developed human traits in their 4th season. Then in a 2nd season, these horrible producers, realizing how hated their Klingons were, tried to explain that Klingons shave their heads during war time. OMG, how could they say that if you see the number of episodes in other Star Trek series during Klingon wars that they don't shave their heads. The producers obviously do not know their Star Trek. I am not alone in my feelings towards this show. Now while a great many people do somehow like this show, when you look at the number of people who quickly grew to despise this show, how can you not include any episode of this terrible show in your list? Wow.
That last viewing of "Enterprise" was a long delayed episode of TNG tacked onto to "Enterprise." Once again, it was a story about a malfunctioning holodeck/holoprogram fantasy on the Enterprise D.
I get pissed every time The Trouble With Tribbles comes on, LOL !
You missed out every episode of Discovery. Thank you for not including them as Star Trek.
Why should star trek discriminate against conservatives? I'm conservative and I've always loved star trek...