Interesting that Subaru put extra banjo filters in these early EJ255's. I have an MY07 Legacy GT (which is when we first got the EJ255 here in Australia) and checked the turbo one at 170,000km (about 106,000 miles) and it along with the turbo was perfect. I changed the filter regardless as insurance, but it was super clean. I intend to do the other one when I do the belt. What I have noticed though, is that USDM cars seem to have a lot more issues with turbo failures. Here in Australia it's relatively rare despite running the banjo filters still. After seeing your oil filter comparison, I believe this may be a key issue. Most other markets useh the superior Japanese made filter, and turbo failures seem to only be the realm of very high milage/neglected engines.
Love the content. My 06 sti is throwing p0011 and p0021. Did timing belt kit, replaced ocv solenoids, changed cam sensors, check banjo bolts but light is still on. It idles fine with the light on but if cleared it wants to die at idle unless the a/c is on. What a pain. 😓
Yeah. Sadly it needed a new block and heads. So I went forged internals, new case halves and built heads. The deck bolts came loose and started shooting metal shavings around and clogged the cam gears twice.
21ft lb strips the threads easily on alot of engines. seen it happen on a few engines, I know that's torque the manual calls for but these threads are crazy weak. at this point I dont even take the chance with a torque wrench I just grab a 17mm box wrench and go by feel like an oil drain plug.
Just happened to me, which is what brings me here. Thanks for the advice. Screw the torque wrench. I’m hoping a new bolt will bite and not leak. I only saw one small small shred of aluminum in the threads of the bolt that came from the head. Hoping it’ll still seal.
So I got both a p0011 and p0021 code on my 2006 wrx. I've looked every where I possibly could for a fix. Everyone says that it's a banjo bolt issue. However, when I removed mine there were not filters. Looks like someone already took them out. My turbo has been making a rattling noise for a while now and I'm pretty sure it was straved of oil. I've had issues with the car consuming a crap ton of oil. After about 1k miles after an oil change I'm already adding more oil. I can't find any leaks. But I'm not sure on how to fix my p0011 and p0021 code.
love the video. BTW I am planing a head gasket on my outback 2.5L SOHC, 1-how much should i expect a machine shop to charge for resurfacing each head? 2-and should I ask them to "vacuum" test the heads, before resurfacing? is there extra cost? 3-also should I provide any parts to the machine shop? 4-Finally I will buy the felpro gasket, should I get the whole set for 150 or just the gaskets that i will need? thanks a bunch
I would order a Subaru engine reseal kit. Runs about $350, but has every gasket in the engine. I'd have the machine shop hot tank the heads, pressure/leak test them, check the valve seats, valve guides, and clearances. The works usually runs me $400-500 per pair. Usually I take the machine shop the valve stem seals out of the seal kit.
@@MrSubaru1387 Is this the kit you mean? www.subarupartsandaccessories.com/p/Subaru_2007_Outback-25L-4AT-Base/GASKET-AND-SEAL-KIT-ENGINE/49223075/10105AB140.html Thanks
Would my 2006FXT have been shipped from the factory without the AVCS filter screens in them due to this (October 2005) service advisory being a known issue? I am the original owner and only had the filter screen supplying oil to the turbocharger removed, but I just got my first P0021 (driver side AVCS), and so I see other owners have had to remove all the remaining screens to fix this. Perhaps my mechanic already removed the hardest one to get access to that is just 4-5 inches forward of the turbocharger itself as you point out.
For these banjo bolts. I noticed on my 04 Forester XT, they dont have the hump. Not sure if the previous owner replaced the banjo bolts with the non filter ones. Did Subaru have banjo bolts with filters that had no hump on them? Just want to make sure before I waste time trying to get all of them out.
great video, I was only aware of the banjo bolt on the underside of the turbo. with that being said I have one bolt and one set ofcrush washer right now, I have a strong burning oil smell on the passenger side of my 08 OBXT when I stop I have a faint smoke as well. with this being said until the other three bolts come in where would you start ? turbo or solenoid on passenger side?
If you remove all the filters would it have an impact on the engine. Besides safety. Took out a total of 5. Worried about to much oil pressure. But at the same time some people run 12mm oil pumps? Appreciate any answer
Thanks for the helpful video. I have a 2009 Forester XT so I'm assuming the bolt location is the same? Are there more than one bolt to remove the filters from? I remember reading that there was 4.
@@MrSubaru1387 Is there any way at all to install that one without removing the cam sprockets/rear timing cover? I am tackling this right now on a rebuilt motor and they didn't install the line on the driver side before installing timing and I'd really really rather not mess with the timing/removing those sprockets.
Hey man. Does the 2015+ wrx with fa20 have a banjo bolt? I can’t find any video on TH-cam about the fa20. My daughters wrx 2017 is close to 45k and would like to check on this. Thank you for all your hard work! Subbed and liked 👍🏽
Wanting to get some advise on a 2005 2.5 forester turbo. One piston has been making noise. It has lost pressure and white smoke comes out. Its not use antifreeze bc the white smoke isnt that "sweet smell", but it does waste alot of oil. Any thoughts or ideas?
@@MrSubaru1387 especially that ez30 stuff (nudge nudge) haha, soon as i watched your video about the PCV vavle on the ez30, i order one that next day. problem is in NZ they dont readily stock it and had to order it from japan D:
Mr. Subaru, my '05 OBXT came with the turbo top oil feed line routed directly to the right AVCS. And the line below the wastegate controller is plugged by a bolt. Is it normal to have routed the turbo oil lines in such a way?
@@miriamvivo4279 pre 05 wrx and any older turbo legacy's never had the filter and turbo failures are far less likely in those I personally removed them in my fxt and 100000km later no issues I think changing them often is ok but I do feel they are overkill
Great video!! I have a 2005 2.5 turbo forester, and one of the piston has a rattling noise in it. It has also lost pressure and now i see white smoke coming from the exhaust. It does not waste antifreeze, but it does waste oil. I have watched alot of your videos and would like to ask where are you located at. I am intrested in getting your opinion on it, and possibly taking you the engine for repair.
This is probably a stupid question, but does the banjo feed hole need to line up with the oil line flow? I pulled all the filters on my '05 Outback XT, and when I put them back in, I made sure to line them back up (even if it did mean slightly over-torquing). Though the turbo feed banjo bolt took me over an hour to do because you're almost blind back there. Normally banjo bolts are omni-directional, but I noticed that these lack the oil feed cuts that traditional banjo bolts have, which made me worried about them being directional.
Are these filters still present in newer models? I have an '09 OBXT with 120K miles, but never have gone over 3000 miles between oil changes. I am curious as to if I should pull and replace them.
Thanks for the info. I just did some research and my car does have them. Although my engine only two and not four. So as soon as the weather gets warmer I will have a project to do. I wish I would have know before I did the timing belt last Summer.
Hi everyone, I hope you guys can help me with something... I have a guy who's offering me a 2006 Legacy with 6000 miles on it for 5K( He's an elder, and uses the car to go to his job ) It's an automatic and 2.0L engine ( probably top of the line. is has leather seats and sunroof.). It looks rather impeccable in the pics. I've heard that elder people take good care of their cars ( I've had good past experiencies with them ). I live in a city with a great amounts of hills ( kinda like San Francisco ) and we drive on highways a couple of times in the year (probably 1 each season) Waddya think? Cheers!
Great video! I have a MY07 OBXT that idles and runs a little rough - intermittent misfire on cylinder 1 at low RPMs. Is the clogged AVCS banjo bolt could potentially be a cause? I've been chasing this issue without success - have a thread going and trying to find anything else I could check - www.subaruoutback.org/threads/rough-idle-and-intermittent-p0301-subaru-mechanics-couldnt-find-the-issue.524567/
I’ve just bought a 2010 Forester xt. The check engine light came on after about of day of driving it and I hooked it up to the scanner and I got a p0021. I replaced the vvt solonoid on the drivers side bank of the engine and I’m still getting the code. It seems it’s intermittent because the light will turn off and then turn back on. Any ideas? Do you think the filters could cause this issue?? Thanks!!
FSM Diagnostic flowchart for this code. Step 1 - CHECK CURRENT DATA. 1 ) Start the engine and let it idle. 2) Check the AVCS system operating angle using Subaru Select Monitor or general scan tool. Is the AVCS system operating angle approximately O°? Yes: Go to Step 2 No: Check the following item and repair or replace if necessary. - Oil pipe (clog) - Oil flow control solenoid valve (clog or dirt of oil routing, setting of spring) - Intakecamshaft (dirt, damage of camshaft) Step 2 - CHECK CURRENT DATA. 1 ) Drive with acceleration and deceleration at 80 km/h (50 MPH) or less. NOTE: Drive to an extent that the duty output of oil flow control solenoid valve increases. 2) Measure the AVCS system operating angle and oil flow control solenoid valve duty output using Subaru Select Monitor or general scan tool. When the oil flow control solenoid valve duty output exceeds 10%, is the AVCS system operating angle approx. O°? Yes: Check the following item and repair or replace if necessary. - Oil pipe (clog) - Oil flow control solenoid valve (clog or dirt of oil routing, setting of spring) - Intake camshaft (dirt, damage of camshaft) No: Perform the following procedures, and clean the oil routing. Replace the engine oil and idle the engine for 5 minutes, and then replace the oil filter and engine oil. So yes, a clogged union bolt screen could be the cause.
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This is like the most detailed and well explained video ever for the banjo filter screws. Thanku u so much
Three years later. Thanks!
Good to know. Still waiting on my 09 FXT but I plan on going thru and cleaning out/replacing what I can before I put it 100% on the road myself.
Interesting that Subaru put extra banjo filters in these early EJ255's. I have an MY07 Legacy GT (which is when we first got the EJ255 here in Australia) and checked the turbo one at 170,000km (about 106,000 miles) and it along with the turbo was perfect. I changed the filter regardless as insurance, but it was super clean. I intend to do the other one when I do the belt.
What I have noticed though, is that USDM cars seem to have a lot more issues with turbo failures. Here in Australia it's relatively rare despite running the banjo filters still.
After seeing your oil filter comparison, I believe this may be a key issue. Most other markets useh the superior Japanese made filter, and turbo failures seem to only be the realm of very high milage/neglected engines.
i think it's just us Americans are more neglectful with oul changes and drive our cars like crazy
Love the content. My 06 sti is throwing p0011 and p0021. Did timing belt kit, replaced ocv solenoids, changed cam sensors, check banjo bolts but light is still on. It idles fine with the light on but if cleared it wants to die at idle unless the a/c is on. What a pain. 😓
Did you figure out how to fix the code?
Yeah. Sadly it needed a new block and heads. So I went forged internals, new case halves and built heads. The deck bolts came loose and started shooting metal shavings around and clogged the cam gears twice.
21ft lb strips the threads easily on alot of engines. seen it happen on a few engines, I know that's torque the manual calls for but these threads are crazy weak. at this point I dont even take the chance with a torque wrench I just grab a 17mm box wrench and go by feel like an oil drain plug.
Just happened to me, which is what brings me here. Thanks for the advice. Screw the torque wrench. I’m hoping a new bolt will bite and not leak. I only saw one small small shred of aluminum in the threads of the bolt that came from the head. Hoping it’ll still seal.
Glad your addressing banjo bolts. Will a bad banjo bolt create smoke through the exhaust from the turbo oil feed line?
Huge fan of your videos, always very detailed! Do you know if this affects the jdm 2.0l ej20y engine??
So I got both a p0011 and p0021 code on my 2006 wrx. I've looked every where I possibly could for a fix. Everyone says that it's a banjo bolt issue. However, when I removed mine there were not filters. Looks like someone already took them out. My turbo has been making a rattling noise for a while now and I'm pretty sure it was straved of oil. I've had issues with the car consuming a crap ton of oil. After about 1k miles after an oil change I'm already adding more oil. I can't find any leaks. But I'm not sure on how to fix my p0011 and p0021 code.
love the video. BTW I am planing a head gasket on my outback 2.5L SOHC,
1-how much should i expect a machine shop to charge for resurfacing each head?
2-and should I ask them to "vacuum" test the heads, before resurfacing? is there extra cost?
3-also should I provide any parts to the machine shop?
4-Finally I will buy the felpro gasket, should I get the whole set for 150 or just the gaskets that i will need?
thanks a bunch
I would order a Subaru engine reseal kit. Runs about $350, but has every gasket in the engine. I'd have the machine shop hot tank the heads, pressure/leak test them, check the valve seats, valve guides, and clearances. The works usually runs me $400-500 per pair. Usually I take the machine shop the valve stem seals out of the seal kit.
@@MrSubaru1387 Is this the kit you mean? www.subarupartsandaccessories.com/p/Subaru_2007_Outback-25L-4AT-Base/GASKET-AND-SEAL-KIT-ENGINE/49223075/10105AB140.html Thanks
@@MrSubaru1387 Also do you change every gasket in the engine when you change the head gasket, or just keep it for when you need it?
Yes, that looks like it. I replace all I can while I've got the engine out.
Would my 2006FXT have been shipped from the factory without the AVCS filter screens in them due to this (October 2005) service advisory being a known issue? I am the original owner and only had the filter screen supplying oil to the turbocharger removed, but I just got my first P0021 (driver side AVCS), and so I see other owners have had to remove all the remaining screens to fix this. Perhaps my mechanic already removed the hardest one to get access to that is just 4-5 inches forward of the turbocharger itself as you point out.
For these banjo bolts. I noticed on my 04 Forester XT, they dont have the hump. Not sure if the previous owner replaced the banjo bolts with the non filter ones. Did Subaru have banjo bolts with filters that had no hump on them? Just want to make sure before I waste time trying to get all of them out.
Great content. How do you change the banjo bolt on driver side behind timing belt cover. Doesn’t look like there is enough space to come out.
Remove timing belt, cam pulleys, rear timing cover.
@@MrSubaru1387 ouch
great video, I was only aware of the banjo bolt on the underside of the turbo. with that being said I have one bolt and one set ofcrush washer right now, I have a strong burning oil smell on the passenger side of my 08 OBXT when I stop I have a faint smoke as well. with this being said until the other three bolts come in where would you start ? turbo or solenoid on passenger side?
have found filters in banjos with the nub on the head as well as ones without. doesn't seem to be a good way of telling wether it has a filter or not.
What about the avcs banjo the one on the rear of cylinder head? Not the turbo one? Did u cap that one off?
If you remove all the filters would it have an impact on the engine. Besides safety. Took out a total of 5. Worried about to much oil pressure. But at the same time some people run 12mm oil pumps? Appreciate any answer
Out of curiosity what years and models have the banjo filters? I heard somewhere that after 2011 Subaru stopped using them
I would also like to know this. I have a 2013 Forester XT and don't know if the Banjo Bolt clogging is an issue on a 2013. Anyone know??
I was wondering if there is a banjo bolts with any filters on a 2007 wrx ej255? Thank you
Could be. Look at the bolt. Flat top, normally no filter. Bulge, filter.
I'll check it out. Thanks for the reply.
@@MrSubaru1387 i pulled my flat bolt, and there was indeed a filter in it.
Another good thing to do is get rid of those hard lines and replace with stainless braided
Thanks for the helpful video. I have a 2009 Forester XT so I'm assuming the bolt location is the same? Are there more than one bolt to remove the filters from? I remember reading that there was 4.
Correct. Same location. Yes, there is one feeding the turbo, and two feeding the AVCS cam gears.
Oh god sounds like a pain lol
The one behind the timing belt cover is.
@@MrSubaru1387 Is there any way at all to install that one without removing the cam sprockets/rear timing cover? I am tackling this right now on a rebuilt motor and they didn't install the line on the driver side before installing timing and I'd really really rather not mess with the timing/removing those sprockets.
@@highroller4010 pretty sure that you have to remove it.
Hey man. Does the 2015+ wrx with fa20 have a banjo bolt? I can’t find any video on TH-cam about the fa20. My daughters wrx 2017 is close to 45k and would like to check on this. Thank you for all your hard work! Subbed and liked 👍🏽
Did you figure this out?
Wanting to get some advise on a 2005 2.5 forester turbo. One piston has been making noise. It has lost pressure and white smoke comes out. Its not use antifreeze bc the white smoke isnt that "sweet smell", but it does waste alot of oil. Any thoughts or ideas?
great video man, do you plan on doing the same things for the other issues you raised in your previous video? Cheers
Going to try to cover as much as I can. 👍🏻 Glad you enjoyed the video.
@@MrSubaru1387 especially that ez30 stuff (nudge nudge) haha, soon as i watched your video about the PCV vavle on the ez30, i order one that next day. problem is in NZ they dont readily stock it and had to order it from japan D:
Mr. Subaru, my '05 OBXT came with the turbo top oil feed line routed directly to the right AVCS. And the line below the wastegate controller is plugged by a bolt. Is it normal to have routed the turbo oil lines in such a way?
Does the EZ36 have any strainers filters for the DAVC?
My avcs makes a ticking noise form d right side intake I replaced d avcs cam and union filters still makes the same noise
What is your advice. Banjo filter in or out? Regarding the EJ 257 turbo feed
Stock engine/turbo, personally, I'd leave the filter in and replace it every 50k miles.
Thanks for the quick reply. Too many dealerships downplay the importance of keeping that filter screen clean.
@@miriamvivo4279 pre 05 wrx and any older turbo legacy's never had the filter and turbo failures are far less likely in those I personally removed them in my fxt and 100000km later no issues I think changing them often is ok but I do feel they are overkill
Great video!! I have a 2005 2.5 turbo forester, and one of the piston has a rattling noise in it. It has also lost pressure and now i see white smoke coming from the exhaust. It does not waste antifreeze, but it does waste oil. I have watched alot of your videos and would like to ask where are you located at. I am intrested in getting your opinion on it, and possibly taking you the engine for repair.
I'm in South Carolina.
Do you have a shop to fix engines? If so, is there an email i can reach you better at to talk in regards of it?
@@guadalupesanchez-qw2wn I currently do not have a shop, sorry.
@@MrSubaru1387 do you think it wouldn't be possible for you to fix this engine?
i was a victim today 3/10/21. My blob Eye survived today
Hi. I have a new ej255 but on the old engine the turbo feed lines are in a different location. The line wont reach or fit, any ideas?
Can you put the banjo bolt without the filter? Please help I got code p0011 on my 2004 Forester XT 2.5 turbo.
How do you get to the 1 behinf the cover without removeing the cam gear 😭
Will the avcs bolt without the filter and the copper washer both work on the turbo line union bolts as well?
This is probably a stupid question, but does the banjo feed hole need to line up with the oil line flow? I pulled all the filters on my '05 Outback XT, and when I put them back in, I made sure to line them back up (even if it did mean slightly over-torquing). Though the turbo feed banjo bolt took me over an hour to do because you're almost blind back there. Normally banjo bolts are omni-directional, but I noticed that these lack the oil feed cuts that traditional banjo bolts have, which made me worried about them being directional.
You just install and torque, no need to degree them or orientate them a certain way.
On the driver side are there 2 filters or just one and if there are only one then is it the one under the the valve cover or the one easier to get at.
Driver's side, the filter is in the one under the timing cover, unfortunately.
Are these filters still present in newer models? I have an '09 OBXT with 120K miles, but never have gone over 3000 miles between oil changes. I am curious as to if I should pull and replace them.
I can't recall if the 09 has them. Quick inspection can tell you though. Flat top = no filter. Raised center of the bolt head = filter.
Thanks for the info. I just did some research and my car does have them. Although my engine only two and not four. So as soon as the weather gets warmer I will have a project to do. I wish I would have know before I did the timing belt last Summer.
Hi everyone, I hope you guys can help me with something... I have a guy who's offering me a 2006 Legacy with 6000 miles on it for 5K( He's an elder, and uses the car to go to his job ) It's an automatic and 2.0L engine ( probably top of the line. is has leather seats and sunroof.). It looks rather impeccable in the pics. I've heard that elder people take good care of their cars ( I've had good past experiencies with them ). I live in a city with a great amounts of hills ( kinda like San Francisco ) and we drive on highways a couple of times in the year (probably 1 each season) Waddya think? Cheers!
If you remove the filter for the turbo banjo bolt will it cause bigger problems or no?
No
How often do they have to be replaced?
Any videos on trans pcs? I have a trans pressure sensor for a code popping up which is causing slips
Not at the moment, sorry.
Question is not relevant to the post but there is an annoying ticking comming from the dash definitely not comming from the engine bay.. any ideas?
Year /model?
@@MrSubaru1387 2010 Subaru about 3.6r
@@MrSubaru1387 outback* oops
Could possibly be a climate control actuator.
@@MrSubaru1387 and that would be located under the dash? The loudness of the sound varies from time to time..
Would this be cuaz of cod p0011 and other's? Please help
Great video! I have a MY07 OBXT that idles and runs a little rough - intermittent misfire on cylinder 1 at low RPMs. Is the clogged AVCS banjo bolt could potentially be a cause? I've been chasing this issue without success - have a thread going and trying to find anything else I could check - www.subaruoutback.org/threads/rough-idle-and-intermittent-p0301-subaru-mechanics-couldnt-find-the-issue.524567/
Did you ever find the problem
I’ve just bought a 2010 Forester xt. The check engine light came on after about of day of driving it and I hooked it up to the scanner and I got a p0021. I replaced the vvt solonoid on the drivers side bank of the engine and I’m still getting the code. It seems it’s intermittent because the light will turn off and then turn back on. Any ideas? Do you think the filters could cause this issue?? Thanks!!
FSM Diagnostic flowchart for this code.
Step 1 - CHECK CURRENT DATA.
1 ) Start the engine and let it idle.
2) Check the AVCS system operating angle using Subaru Select Monitor or general scan tool.
Is the AVCS system operating
angle approximately O°?
Yes: Go to Step 2
No: Check the following item and repair or replace if necessary.
- Oil pipe (clog)
- Oil flow control solenoid valve
(clog or dirt of oil routing, setting of spring)
- Intakecamshaft (dirt, damage of
camshaft)
Step 2 - CHECK CURRENT DATA.
1 ) Drive with acceleration and deceleration at 80 km/h (50 MPH) or less.
NOTE:
Drive to an extent that the duty output of oil flow control solenoid valve increases.
2) Measure the AVCS system operating angle and oil flow control solenoid valve duty output using Subaru Select Monitor or general scan
tool.
When the oil flow control solenoid valve duty output exceeds 10%, is the AVCS system operating angle approx. O°?
Yes: Check the following item and repair or replace if necessary.
- Oil pipe (clog)
- Oil flow control solenoid valve
(clog or dirt of oil routing, setting of spring)
- Intake camshaft
(dirt, damage of
camshaft)
No: Perform the following procedures, and clean the oil routing.
Replace the engine oil and idle the engine for 5 minutes, and then replace the oil filter and engine oil.
So yes, a clogged union bolt screen could be the cause.