Babylon 5: ISA White Star | Ship Breakdown
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- Spacedock returns to the Third Age of Mankind for a look at the ISA White Star.
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Remember when Susan said "Ah hell" after she frustrated that her White Star can't go any faster than it did, and then the ship suddenly started shooting everything it got?
Apparently her Minbari crew thought she tell them to open fire, in Minbari language.
One of the funniest things moment in Babylon 5 for me.
Every inch of propulsion matters. Aim the guns backwards and shoot like hell.
Actually, she is told "Ah hell" means "continuous fire" in Minbari, which it kinda does in Engilsh as well.
It does make one wonder if THAT came from Valen too.
"The avalanche has already started; it is too late for the pebbles to vote." One of my favorite Kosh quotes
Mine too.
Understanding is a three edge'd sword
To be fair, is there a quote by Kosh that _isn't_ memorable?
The Truth points to itself.
Babylon 5 is chock full of great quotes.
You missed the perfect opportunity to use: “As my grandad used to say, “cool!”” -Capt. John Sheridan
"Thank you Mr Marcus, next time I need to be depressed I'll give you a call." - John Sheridan
For me the most iconic thing for this ship was their sound. Anytime they flew past something with the alien scream of their engines. It was so alien, and fit perfectly with the craft. The big flyover on earth, one of the few scenes I remember from B5 so perfectly.
I never thought the scream as alien, but majestic. Like a powerful mythical bird darting by full of fury and grace. Shadow ships sounded alien to me though.
@@darwinxavier3516 Ohh I like the idea of a majestic bird. Definitely sounds like a hawk screech too. I could see that.
Especially when compared with the more terrifying scream of the Shadow ships.
And the weird coincidence... the advert for Trading 212, which I got right before watching this, uses the same (or very similar) sound.
Psychological effect of a Stuka dive bomber.
One of the few scif-fi series hero ships to actually go on to being seen en masse in later seasons.
considering how much whitestar wreckage seen on screen, can you really call them "hero ships"?
@@MrJay_White It was when it was first introduced.
@@MrJay_White The point of a Hero id to take risk, put his life in line and some at least will die. Many expect an invincible "hero" like Superman who always wins and never dies.
The advantage of having an all CGI space fx scheme.
@MrNotadream Dreadnought was faster than the average battleship of her time but was still slower than some older large cruisers of the time let alone destroyers. Her biggest advantage the steam turbine allowed her to maintain top speed for longer which in combination with the all big gun armament made her groundbreaking.
She was scrapped because of naval arms reduction treaties otherwise she would have continued in service longer (many older pre-dreadnought ships where still in service and would have been scrapped with older dreadnought ships being given the second line duties if the treaties hadn't happened).
"They look like plucked chickens."
Everyone is a critic.
Bo and me? I guess we are as worker class as they come.
"They look like angels, swooping in from the sky."
"Thought you said they looked like plucked chickens."
"Not right now they don't."
Its actually something JMS himself said in a DVD audio commentary on the White Star, when it first showed up. Always made me chuckle, that the put the line in the show later on.
If chicken looked like that nobody would dare to pluck them.
If a plucked chicken had that much firepower, we would all be vegans by now.
I'm so glad to see Babylon 5 get the love it deserves these days. :) It was a huge influence on my attempts to write sci-fi
WHAT DO YOU WANT! YOU MOONFACED ASSASSIN OF JOY!
These are my three wives... plague, pestilence... and death.
- The wisdom of Londo Mollari.
It's still the best Sci-fi series of all time. Everything Sci-fi series since had borrowed something from Babylon 5 be it writing, production, or design.
The Babylon 5 artistic team was ON POINT with their ship designs.
They truly tried to make all the aliens ships look alien, except for the token flying saucer.
@@EasyEd1955 In the first season a human was suing a Vree, claiming the Vree's grandfather abducted his grandfather. :)
Damn straight, with limited visual tech of the time they managed to make all the ship designs have a unique presense and personality.
Easy Ed I can't think of anything more "alien" than a flying saucer.....none of my saucers have the ability to fly, unless the gf is drunk, pissed off at me and they're the closet projectiles at hand 😂
@@EasyEd1955 what's more alien than that? 😀
Worth mentioning is also it's 'learning potential' as ship's hall is adapting to enemy weapons over the time. So it's learning as ship is partially organic.
I can't believe he forgot about the ship AI and semi-organic hull.
That and it can't use everything at once, as the reactor isn't powerful enough to run everything at once. For example, it has to turn off its jammer, jump drive, and a few other systems to use all its weapons at once. In addition, the ISA variant uses molecular pulsars which are nasty weapons in of themselves (to give you an idea, molecular weapons tend to be of the 'screw your armor, your armor literally falls apart at the molecular level', the Shadow's main weapon (the molecular slicer) goes through pretty much anything not first-one grade like a hot knife through butter and operates on similar principles... although anything with an interceptor rating can target the pulsars while being unable to stop the slicer).
@@TheTrueAdept It also had to shut down nearly everything to channel enough power into the gravimetric beam cannon to burn through a shadow vessel.
@@darwinxavier3516 actually the ISA variant uses an improved neutron laser, not a gravimetric beam. I should know because I've got the datafile for B5Wars (which is canon) in my collection.
@@TheTrueAdept Ehh, I'm skeptical of any outside sources as canon. Hell, calling it a gravimetric beam is also beta canon to me. I only use it cuz there's nothing mentioned in show and it doesn't contradict anything on screen. Also I was referring to the prime White Star from "Walkabout".
The fact that it's so small and still has a jump drive allowed it to do a sneaky manoeuvre when it was first debuted, where it activated it's jump drive while in a jump gate, destroying a pursuing ship.
The fun part was when the Humans (who had conceived of the trick to use in the Earth Minbari war) had to explain to the Minbari that it was called the _Bonehead manoeuvre._
And then after the second time the White Star had to do something borderline suicidal to destroy a shadow vessel, it made the first recorded jump inside an atmosphere.
Ivonava: "The bonehead maneuver.... No offence"
@@nitehawk86 Lennier: "None taken."
People who think capital ships should all be slow: "Star Trek ships move way too fast for their size"
White Stars: "Hold my beer"
@@bthsr7113 They are almost as long as an Excelsior class, at least if we use the dimensions this video chose. By Star Trek standards, this thing would be a capital ship even in the age of the Galaxy class. Considering that the people I'm poking fun at get annoyed when anything larger than a fighter can move like a fighter, they would think the White Star is a capital ship.
@@darwinxavier3516 You know I never understood why folks have a problem with large highly advanced ships being agile. I mean they have gravity plating, inertial dampeners, fast sublight and ftl, all of these imply the ability to control mass and inertia to some precise degree. So why not let them be agile.
The White Star is larger then an Earth Force Olympus class corvette and half the size of a Hyperion class heavy cruiser. It is longer then a Centauri Vorchan.
How is a White Star "not a capital ship"?
@@magical_catgirl Mostly because in most scifi neither corvettes or cruisers are capital ships. In modern usage, a capital ship is often defined as a large warship that is only truly opposed by another capital ship. Or from a United States author: "These characteristics define a capital ship: if the capital ships are beaten, the navy is beaten. But if the rest of the navy is beaten, the capital ships can still operate. Another characteristic that defines capital ships is that their main opponent is each other." The main idea is that the capital ships form the core of a navy. In modern navies these are almost always aircraft carriers, since a carrier can destroy a battleship too easily when you factor in the extreme range advantage of strike aircraft. The only reason that Earth uses corvettes and heavy cruisers as their core ships is because they just don't use the term battleship much in the show.
@@milamberarial That's the thing though. Scifi usage of the term capital ship is much more broad and usually just refers to anything big enough to have a large enough hangar/shuttlebay or just large enough to dwarf whatever the "small" ships are for it's setting. If we go by the "biggest or most powerful" ship that can still operate when the rest of the fleet is beaten, then the Omega class stopped being a capital ship when the Victory class was made. And from what I've heard from fans of fleet combat, carriers are often incapable(or are suppose to be cuz hurr durr hyper specialization is better) of doing anything on their own and need escort ships to protect them from other ships. The other thing is that there is a finite upper limit to how big a seafaring ship can get before being impossibly impractical. There's not really as much of a limit in space. The NX Enterprise would've been considered a capital ship for it's era, but would be relegated as a light frigate or corvette compared to even an Excelsior if we used such relativistic measure..
My eyes lit up as soon as I saw this post! Thank you for still caring about B5!
This is easily one of my favorite starships. I just think they look so dope.
One of my most favorite sci-fi ships ever! Small, strong, versatile and works in swarms quite well.
Don't forget that you can play some chill rain sound effects while sleeping
I immediately fell in love with this ship because of the passing similarity its frame had with the D'deridex. I love the sound effect they put when it weezes past the "camera". And while the Sharlin will always be my most beloved Babylon 5 ship, the Whitestar is up there with my other favorites.
Amazing that the White Star is considered a small warship in B5 , when you consider it is almost 200 meters longer than the Star Trek original series USS Enterprise which was a heavy cruiser
I find that 475m pretty hard to accept, in the show it looks much smaller, more like 120-170m.
@@Nuinwing It's mind boggling, especially since Omega's are supposed to be over a kilometer in length, and Victory's are supposed to be something like 3 kilometers.
If I had waited any longer I would propably be advanced enough to join the vorlons beyond the galactic rim
good...
*_Finally!_* The _White Star_ has come to Spacedock! Well done. 👍
Would love to see this in modern CGI
Don't give Hollywood any ideas.
I wud love all B5 cgi to b remastered
@@aurongrande6141 Truly. Those textures are just painful to look at now.
@@KenS1267 I still love them. And I want a remaster too, as long as its not a redesign.
@@KenS1267 They may be awful to look at now but remember this CGI was done on a Video Toaster, that being the hardware of an Amiga 2000 and specialist video editing software running at a whopping 7.16 MHz!
The most unique ship I have seen in sci fi they are fast and powerful
I love this ship design. It is elegant, powerful but still vulnerable. The sound it makes is amazing.
The Whitestar has a great screen presence and looks great from every angle.
Captain Sisko finally can defend the station and have a chance to defeat the implacable Dominion with this powerful fast experimental ship.
Why do people always get their characters mixed up like this. Sisko is from *Starship Troopers* the guy who defends the station in this show is Captain *SKYWALKER.*
Get it right.
@@a-blivvy-yus And the second in command of Cap. Skywalker? A female badass Bajoran commander, religious, bad temper and always having relationship problems... what was her name? *Ivanova!*
@@a-blivvy-yus this cracked me up real good. HAHAHAHA!!!
Ships with Hit and Run capabilities are always the coolest ones in their respective Sci-fi franchises.
God, Ive always loved this ship! Glad to see it done by you even as a short. Now how the SA-43 HammerHead from Space Above and Beyond. Its a small front line fighter, you could do a ep with both fighters from that show.
I'd love to see a Spacedock breakdown of the Hammerhead. After Babylon 5, Space: Above and Beyond was the second show I'm aware of that cared to show the use of manoeuvring thrusters. I like how they incorporated the RCS into the airframe of the Hammerhead. Certainly my favourite atmosphere-capable space fighter.
Easy as eatin' pancakes...
You're watching the wrong channel if you like Whitestars ;)
@@SpacialKatana got a suggestion?
@@kronos48221 Mine you dimwit :)
One of the more distinctive ships in B5
When I watched Babylon 5 as a kid, I was in total awe whenever this ship appeared on the screen. To this day, it has had a special place in my heart. Just like the whole show.
This is my absolute number 1 favorite starship. With the Defiant coming second!
For me, one of the best Whitestar moments in B5 was when it did a hit and run on Mars.
The greatest ships ever created in science fiction! They just danced through space, delivering death to all.
Aside from how badass Sheridan was, this was my favorite thing to come out of B5
Yeah a smart human just had about enough and say screw the rules XD
AWESOME!!!!
I was hoping you'd do the White Stars!
They looked like rubber chickens. On the other hand they were badass.
That's cool ship... I think if I had one I would renamed the ship as Neviim 😎(pun for SRW Aerogaters White Star)
Excellent. The White Star finally gets her due. The Minbari Sharlin War Cruiser would be another cool B5 vessel to explore.
Kosh wasn't talking about the Shadow war he was talking about major powers deciding for a family that refused medical treatment.
Pretty please do Talyn from Farscape. 💙
Good shout
And other ships from Farscape
@@aurongrande6141, he did review Moya a while back.
th-cam.com/video/-UhYfEV9M8Q/w-d-xo.html
Not sure about any others, tho'.
Lest we forget the sacrifice of the Crew of White Star 14.
Captained by none other than Bryan Cranston. We live for the one. We die for the one.
Babylon 5 is pretty much the only show I have ever wanted them to make a remake of
@@mho... Agreed. Remakes of Star Wars, Star Trek and Doctor Who have shit all over canon lore.
be careful what you wish for. it may come to pass. see the monkeys paw for an example
@@unlimitedrabbit
Having not seen Star Wars 7-9; and the new Star Trek (especially Picard) I don't know how bad they are.
But I stopped watching Dr. Who after 11 (Matt Smith), as I had a horible feeling it was going to fall off the cliff ...
... but, when I saw the official 'costume photo' for 13 ... ugh ... it was like the went to a local charity shopm and bought the least attractive clothes they could kind and threw it together. Whilst I didn't quite like 12's tie-less white shirt (at least wear a bow tie, man ...), it was still a better wardrobe choice than 13's ...
... but once I heard the storylines, I knew 13 was heading straight for a neutron star ...
@@nigelft th-cam.com/video/VlGQgfXtC40/w-d-xo.html
Maybe just a CGI updated edition
Way back when, when the Series was first shown on our local TV channel... i was like "boy shit just got serious" when the first white star showed up. Somehow in bab 5 they managed to give a new "weapons platform" a weight that no other series managed to portray. Like the Omega Cruisers when they showed up fused with shadow tech and such.... you knew shit just hit the fan hard
MORE Babylon 5 please!
Do some Earth Alliance ships next.
I love B5. The Satrfury is the best designed space fighter in sci-fi.
@@Ryan-lk4pu The omega was awesome too. Most human ships in Babylon 5 were fun and interesting to look at.
Fun fact: at one point, NASA was in talks with Straczynski about using the Starfury design for a drone-like satellite on shuttle missions. He was cool with it, so long as they kept the name.
@@tba113 I didn't know that. That's very cool.
@Elron The Thunderbolt is cool and all but I feel it's not aerodynamic enough to realistically be atmosphere capable yet loses something in trying to be from the original style of the Starfury.
@@tba113 NASA wanted to adapt the wing & engine design for a loader/forklift/handler, due to the ingenious design of the engine it would give exceptional control for such a task. A prototype design was drawn up but funding got cut.
It saddens me to know we came so close to having Starfuries flying up there.
There's always hope - G'sten
It's the ship the Defiant wants to be. Thanks for bringing it to a wider attention.
As far as other proclamations that a certain circumstances, John Sheridan will say, "With all do respect, I've heard that before..."
Thank you for covering the White Star. Such a unique ship and there’s not enough said or done about them. (Not even a fr#@$ SCALE MODEL) Again. Thanks.
There used to be models, for the Call to Arms table-top strategy game. They stopped making them years ago, but you might be ale to find some on eBay.
Amazing ship and one of the best shows ever.
The White-Star is, hands down, my most favourite of all Sci-Fi ships.
I absolutely love it.
It seems small on screen, but (for all you Star Trek Fans) it is about the same size as an Excelsior Class Starship
Yes, amazing that it only has 50 crew. But with the tech it has it doesn't need any I suppose.
One of my favorite ship designs. Instant like. :D
3:31 Great technology, poor air-traffic control.
Or amazing air traffic control.
The quote that you put to the shadow war, may have been about the shadow war, but most likely as about the situation where the child's fate was already set.. and he was going to die because the doctor was going to preform the operation regardless, episode 8 season 1.
Fast, sleek and deadly. I just love this ship.
And then, there's the sound she makes, that sharp, singing sound she makes which was always in perfect counterpoint to the nightmarish screaming the Shadow ships made
I'd request returning to Freespace, and doing a breakdown of the Shivan Sathanas. The ship that gave no doubt many people nightmares.
I love bab5 so much. Would be nice to have a sci fi show of the same scope come around today. Only one that managed to have the potential was the expense
Probably my favorite ship in scifi, thank you for the video.
Thank you for making this video. I miss B5
White Star Breakdown? I love you. 😁
with the virus keeping me from work, I cranked out my B5 DVD's yesterday. Half the time its just them talking.. and its the best TV ever. The White Stars, Shadow Vessels, Vorlan planet killers, even the star furies and earth destroyers... is just icing on the cake.
Yeah, pair any of the c-list characters up(importance of the role not their ability) and it would still be more interesting than anything else on TV eg. Neroon + Lyta, Bester + Lennier, Zack + Marcus even Corwin + Vir + No.1 would be fun to watch in B5 universe XD
the size of the White Stars changed as the show went on. they did not originally have a hangar bay as they were too small...more like patrol boats than medium cruisers.
We live for the One. We die for the One.
In Valen's name.
I am a Ranger. We walk in the dark places no others will enter. We stand on the bridge and no one may pass. We live for the One, *WE DIE FOR THE ONE!*
Glad that you've finally made a video on this ship.
You forgot a few things. It had mimbari stealth and jamming tech. Useless vs first ones but effective vs all others including Drak. Also the command variant made on the Vorlon home world had vorlon living hull regeneration tech. Ones later made on Mimbar did not. And they only had the 4 mimbari fusion cannons and the improved quantum neutron cannon. It also had space for 2 Mimbari flyer/zhalen shuttles as standard.
I'm a B5 tech nerd, deal :P
Thank you for the videos! Just what I need in my quarantine!!
Spacedock
233K subscribers The Whitestar class looks like the Minbari version of the Romulan D'Deridex Warbird in my opinion. That is one of the many reasons why I like this ship from Babylon 5.
Hey Spacedock!! You have proven to be an AWESOME and brilliant resource.
Thank you for these, I am watching them all. ALL are from the greatest sci fi ever
This is making me want to watch B5 again.
Those are Sheridan's forces!
Never seen one.
Abso-fragging-lutely dammit!
Awesome video! Love seeing this ship in action.
Haven't had a chance to watch this yet (working online in virtual meetings...) BUT, I'm liking that you did this ship, and your content is so strong I trust it's gonna be greeeaaaat.
It would have been nice to see a wider diversity of ships based on this design in service for the Second Shadow War, or the EA Civil War. I noticed Spacedock didn't mention the armour plating on the White Star being "adaptive". I don't recall the episode but I vaguely recall Lennier mentioning how the hull is able to learn from previous encounters with enemy weapons fire, mitigating the damage they cause.
Yeah it had organic armor based on Vorlon tech that could learn as you said.
I never really understood why it is so good to grind down the whole text without even a millisecond of pause.
Been waiting for this one... Thanks, Amigo
Everyone else: cool
Me, watching Babylon 5 with my dad who watched it when it aired: YEEEEESSS!!!
This is good even 4 years later. The only problem is you forgot the most important feature which was the Vorlon Organic tech. In some ways, the ship was alive and capable of learning from encounter to encounter, strengthening certain systems and capable of "healing" itself. Still though, great presentation.
I love the White Stars. I particularly love that they operate in what are essentially wolf packs. Put twelve of these babies against a Star Destroyer, *any Star Destroyer*, and they'll come out on top.
Echo Wing A Star Destroyer is stone age technology compared to a White Star.
Still pleasant to look at. Nice contrast to some of other, angular designs of the show.
The silhouette and curved surfaces work especially well in scenes with colored lighting.
- former Foundation Imaging artist (joining after the show was passed on to Netter Digital)
Huh, I just got around to watching the other B5 ship videos today! Nice coincidence!
Love the video, been wanting see one on the white star for so long. Thank you so much for the content and your work. B5 is the best.
One of my favorites ships! Thanks!
Hell, it's about time!
These CGI battles are better than anything Secret Hideout made with Star Trek: Discovery and Picard recently.
FINALLY I've been waiting for this ship for ages
I’m not a Babylon 5 fan , but having a good look at the whitestar she can kick ass any time and any where ❤
Easily one of the coolest ships in sci-fi, and impressive CGI considering the time and budget. I especially liked how B5 was more willing to depict space as three-dimensional, whereas a lot of sci-fi still tends to always show all ships traveling within the same plane.
Hey Spacedock! I'm a huge fan of your videos, it's such a breathe of fresh air to have these detailed and thorough videos from someone else who really has a passion and love for sci fi and spacecraft. I was wondering with the recent development and more frequent updating Star Citizen has undergone, if you could have a look at some of their spacecraft. I find it is a really nice blend of realism and cool design that would really be awesome to explore on your channel. I recommend something like the Aegis Hammerhead would be a really good start. Thank you so much, absolutely love your videos!
Loved it. Thanks!
About damn time, Daniel. I've only been asking for this one since I became your very first Patron. Lol
Thanks. Always loved the ships of Babylon 5
Still one of the most iconic, beautiful and effective warships in the history of sci-fi. I love watching these ships fly in combat... just so elegant. Having a highly maneuverable, highly powerful warship in such a small package gives it a versatility rarely seen in other sci-fi shows to the same degree they were used in B5.
That was a very informative video thank you
Thank you for bringing Babylon 5 awesomeness
Thx for the video!
Another great B5 vid!
Way back when this first came out the design looked weird to me. But it quickly grew on me with it's capabilities. I love it. I also like a fan variant that's out there. Look up White Star Gunship if anyone is curious. It would look great in action.
I always felt the white stars fit into the role of corvette very nicely, they're fast, agile and pack a surprising amount of firepower. Something most traditional warships would want to reconsider engaging. The only ships to really handle them were the shadows and the advanced omega destroyers that used shadow tech earth force threw at them. (even then the white star fleet destroyed all of them)
but really, the ISA needs more ships. Like a cruiser or frigate something that falls in between the white stars and the victory class destroyer.
Thank you for your continued focus on B5, this and the piece you did on the star fury are both excellent insights into this great TV series. Have you thought about ever doing something on ships of the Culture? (Books only no TV or Film media) It might be helpful to people who don't know why SpaceX has some funny names for it's (real world) ships (e.g. the OCISLY and the JRTI).
By now the CGI of B5 looks like an old video game.
However their ship designs weren´t bad. Especially the human designs were great and very practical.
It doesn't help that the original digital sources of the CGI shots were lost and had to be re-constructed from broadcast footage, so they couldn't convert it to DVD properly.
"By now". In 1995, they were cutting edge. As Random Lurker stated, the CGI models were lost, so there is no way to redo them for HD without a prohibitively expensive recreation from scratch, if it's even possible where there are scenes with both VFX and live action.
@@gordol66 it is possible.
The question is only whos gonna pay the bill
I’ve seen fans of the series create far superior CG to demonstrate B5 ships and matchup battles. Many of those shots of the outside of the station for between scenes and commercial breaks were reused, so I like to think it’s not beyond the realm of possibility.
Upgrading the textures so objects have greater detail makes some of the B5 ships look phenomenal! If I had to pick on episode to be reworked, it’d be ‘Into the Fire’ with the big showdown battle between the Vorlons and Shadows.
@@sebastiangrimm4370 Since the originals were lost, I'm working on the assumption that all that is left is the master prints which would not separate the live with the FX in the frames.
Sure, any pure CGI shot can be redone if someone is willing to bankroll it (which Warner Bros has consistently refused to do). Can that be done on the composites? Say, for example, Draal or Sheridan using the holographic projection? Or The Nine directing the Battle Of The Line with their holographic command center?
This is my favourite ship in all of Sci-Fi
interesting dorsal/ventral flipped image you used. with quite a complex shape it was nice to see all of it, even if it did take me a moment to work out what had happened
Was wondering when you were going to do one about this ship
Nice to see them taking flight again. You could mention that their bio armour allowed them to adapt to repel weapons fire they had already encountered. They also incorporated an escape module I believe.
My own personal favorite designed ship from any sci-fi franchise , just ahead of those Shadow Capitol ships........... those B5 designers were definitely on their game.
always been a personal favorite of mine :D
Given that the shadow wars had been taking place for a million years, each one a thousand years apart, I think it was more like the 100,000th Shadow War. Apart from that, very well done, thank you!
After the 356,864th war, they all kinda start blending together
The Shadows and Vorlons worked together for a time, until their extreme natures caused more conflicts than they could reconcile. I don't know when that was or how many rounds of fighting there were.
When he said "the second Shadow War" he probably meant by Minbari counting.
@@mullerpotgieter True. When they're millenia in, millenia out like that it's easy to lose count.
@@ethenallen1388 Oh, I'm sure he did. I'm sure that's it exactly. The actual chronology is kind of vague. Sometimes they're throwing 2000 years around in the first season or so, after that it's generally 1000 years. At least once they imply the Shadows came first and the Vorlons came afterwards. Clearly the concept was evolving in JMS's head as the show progressed, but I'm *pretty sure* (But not absolutely certain) that the current order of things has been going on for a million years.
I used to love this gunship. Nowadays, I'm more of a fleet commander -- hero ships have stopped being my cup of coffee.
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Any ship is a hero ship if your protagonists stay with it a long time.
@@darwinxavier3516 Perhaps. But there's a limit (or there should be one). Case in point: the Andromeda Ascendant. The ship that was supposed to be at the center of a Battle Group (and thus, much more C&C than duking it out, fist-style) that ended up being a Mary Sue ship.
The White Star (and inevitably, the Defiant too) suffered from this. In any episode, PEW PEW PEW FIRE AT WILL and the enemy ships die; then on another episode, with little or no explanation, the exact same tactic doesn't work.
Reminds me a lot of Voyager's finale and its "transphasic torpedoes" suddenly one-shotting BORG CUBES.
@@UnlimitedFlyers From what I remember of the High Guard, all their capital ships were suppose to be Mary Sue levels of powerful. They only fell due to arrogance and overwhelming numbers.
@@darwinxavier3516 Arrogance was less of a factor than the numbers and surprise. The Nietzscheans ambushed most of the fleet. Considering they were attacked by a massive force that was supposed to be their allies, its not surprising that they fell hard. The only arrogance they showed was that they didn't understand the Nietzscheans willingness to betray them.
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