I have lived in South Orange County for 50 years. For decades, I have recreated at Capistrano Beach Park. Although only a few miles north of San Clemente, the sand did a different thing than what was stated in this video. Beginning in the mid-1980s, each summer, less and less sand returned. There was noticeably less sand each year. I think it was the winter of 2018 when it was hit with large winter swells that coincided with high astronomical tides. That did major damage to the coastline. And it has gotten worse each year after. By the way, I have been going to Central Baja along the Pacific coast for almost 40 years. The exact same thing has been happening down there. Sandy coves that I used to camp in are no longer there. They disappeared over 20 years ago.
I have lived in Ventura for 65 years by the beach. Our beaches are still 300' to 500' wide in a lot of areas, flat beaches. There is zero sign of "sea level" rise. I will take 65 years of personal observations over any garbage the media puts out.
Started surfing 1963 San Diego beaches to Trestles and have watched all beaches lose sand year after year. Own a home right up the street from Buccaneer Beach in south Oceanside, and sadly, we have less and less sand to enjoy. Mother nature at work.
Glad to see this work being done now. We just moved to Orange County last November and San Clemente is our favorite beach town. We'd like to live there some day. What a great place. We love it!
Used to surf there late 70s to mid 80s beaches were beautiful ! Here on the big island for almost 40 years . Crazy seeing waves hit the railroad tracks . Bums me out 😞🤙🏾
I have a different take after living in Del Mar CA 17 years and seeing all of the confusion and suffering over erosion and the consequences of non-brilliant settlers deciding to build a village on an estuary 100 years ago. CA Coast commission = Bad. Surfrider Floundation with its own agenda and no board members living in DM, got laughed out of public hearings. SAVE TRESTLES...SAVE TRESTLES was the HEIGHT OF ARROGANCE when it comes to humankind's influence on reversing the damage/ consequences of our existence. Moving save from one place to another is a waste of time and resources because it erroneously suggests man can indefinitely alter nature. Thanks for receiving this alternative perspective. Want to learn more: study Del Mar's SLR fiascos.
Remove every dam and deconcretize all the rivers and streams. That’s a start. Genetically modify kelp to withstand warmer waters to regrow the once mighty kelp forests of Southern California.
I wish you had covered how riprap, seawalls, and other hardscaping leads to loss of sand. Where those hardscapes exist... no sand. Where the ocean is allowed to meet the natural landscape, sand is created through erosion (and river deposit and natural dredging/swells). Keep your own eyes open and observe yourself how manmade and natural differ. Maybe you all have given up on this real solution since with continual sea rise it could only mean re-imagining the coast (moving the rail, removing hardscape, creating a buffer).
Amen. I was thinking the same thing. All the hardening is taking a toll on Santa Cruz beaches as well. On the other hand, look at Surfer's Point in Ventura as a model of how to rehabilitate a beach. Have other beaches been rehabilitated by allowing the natural landscape to return?
Looks like a road along the coast. Inevitable hard structure impact. Natural system has unravelled. The sands usually travel down current so my guess is the whole foast isnt getting its sand topped up. Could be lack of loose sand blowing offshore, lack of natural coastline...sinking coast. Ya have to be agile living on the coast
@MealTeam6There were vast amounts of kelp beds just offshore of many of the beaches I grew up on in SoCal… now there are hardly even a trace of what used to be thriving… the sea urchins have exploded in numbers and are consuming the kelp roots at a devastating rate. Not sure what you have to base your opinion on, but in the last 30 years, there’s been a drastic reduction in kelp forests of Orange County’s coastline.
I didn't appreciate California beaches until I went to Hawaii where even the "packed" sand by the water is soft and 30' in you're at 6' deep. It's really horrible for your everyday beach user or body boarder. The whole paradise thing is hype, unless you're a surfer and can paddle out to some sort of reef - and can handle the insane levels of UV.
I love this beautiful town and beaches !!! Many Christmas vacations and and family time together in the summer at the beach , with my husbands family. I miss you San Clemente !!! And those Drinks Tressles!!!pineapple- coconut delight! Prayers for your beaches. Much love Jody Utah USA 🇺🇸
More man made alterations to fix the results of our previous alterations? How about returning the coast to its natural landscape? Managed retreat did wonders at Surfer's Point in Ventura.
building sand castles to stop erosion is a horrible waste of time and money. malibu does this every few years. either build an artificial reef or let it erode away.
Huge respect to YOU, Big Wave Charger Greg Long. Always a fan of yours, Sir. What an honor to get to meet you in person in '11 at bwwt awards, for Jamie. Our deepest heart felt condolences on the loss of your neighborhood beach. How unfortunate it is though, i did not hear any of the facts of the changing climate,...the global warming and sea level rise mentioned even once in this piece. Only understandable sentimental emotion, and business loss fears. Not once in this piece, was the mention, of the predominant political and media influence in Orange County California, since about 2015, who has denied the effects of the proven climate change/global warming sea level rise. Could it possibly be then,.....that Orange County's denial of the facts, and support of an anti environmental, anti science political party,...has led to this ? Could continuing to support such anti environmental politics, basically just kicking the can down the road,.... lead to even further erosion and business loss ? Let's maybe step back, and consider if we've learned anything in the past two, three, or four decades now that the results of such, are being seen and felt. Maybe a long term plan for the future includes less emotion and concern of quick business money ? Maybe the future plan needs to be based in the reality of science. Always an open invite to you Greg, to re visit, the big lake.....e.
Hey there - While Greg was kind enough to appear in our film, he is not responsible for its final form - we (Bring Back Our Beaches) are. In any event, we appreciate your comment but it is quite clear based on several studies that interruption of the natural sediment/sand supply (as much as 91% in SoCal per recent study) is the primary driver of San Clemente's erosion issues, not sea level rise. That's not to say there hasn't been some amount of sea level rise (NOAA data for SoCal shows ~.35ft in the last 100 years), it's just not the root cause of San Clemente's erosion issues.
The video description sounded like there was going to be science, but instead the "coastal scientist" just said sand is worth more than gold. How much is gold worth? How long is a string? Personally I think we need to think way, way bigger. Undam and dechannelize the rivers, get all the rip rap off the coast, move the railroad and all the rich NIMBY houses trying to stop the cliff -eroding- turning back into beach. I know most will think I'm crazy, but the ocean knows the truth.
The open ocean dredging is the problem. When you make big holes out there, the sand from the shore flows out to fill those holes back in. They are stealing the sand for concrete to build buildings
@@paulhowse1400 the massive kelp forests that used to blanket the waters of Southern California helped to slow coastal erosion. Perhaps the answer is to create a genetically modified kelp species that can thrive in warmer waters. However, no matter what we do the relentless energy the ocean throws at the beaches will still eat away at them. All we can do is slow it down and adapt our developments accordingly.
I love this beautiful town and beaches !!! Many Christmas vacations and and family time together in the summer at the beach , with my husbands family. I miss you San Clemente !!! And those Drinks Tressles!!!pineapple- coconut delight! Prayers for your beaches. Much love Jody
Trying to save OUR 3-5 miles of coastline…… from beach road( approx. 500yds south of the harbor:::: down to Cottons Point…. Suggestion of maybe more made made reefs made 300-500 yds off the shoreline and possibly 3-5 ROCK JETTIES… to slow the surf an erosion of beach sand…..ALL AS A ASSISTANCE OF LOOSING OUR BEACH SAND??? MAYBE A GOOD IDEA…. In the long haul…. But get it started soon???? My suggestion only
If everyone did their part, or even did just a little to live a less poluting lifestyle there might be some hope. But, thats not gonna happen anytime soon. The quest for money is destroying everything.
Hey silly , Pat Brown , Reagan and others were part of the problem , by allowing the building of the Dana Point Harbor , where do you think the wave energy is going to go , not into a protected Harbor ….but downstream to sandy beaches ..causing erosion
You actually think you’re going to have any long term influence in dictating to the planet how it will continue to evolve ? BIG PLANET vs little people. 🤔 Take a reality check The planet has never stopped changing , never will . Just live in peace and gratitude for the time you’ve had in the place you were . There’s no going back
The irony is that San Clemente is known as a very politically conservative town. I'm sure many of those in power refuse to connect this to climate change and rising sea levels. It's going to be hard to agree upon a solution when you don't agree on the cause.
It’s caused from all the sea walls, roads, buildings built right at the shoreline. The energy gets stopped from continuing forward and quickly retreats taking sand with it. I wish you weren’t so ignorant.
There was never a problem with building Dubai, F the world under water if you can't see it then it doesn't matter, there's plenty of sand between Riverside and Palm Springs. Rebuild the beaches with desert sand. Ca. Ain't gonna run out of sand.
Desert sand is too smooth, it doesn’t hold together like ocean sand. That’s why they dredge and steal the ocean sand for high strength concrete to build buildings
I have news for you. Global Warming is expanding/ rising sea levels. That coastline is toast. You will not win that battle or anything remotely close… Find a new break… Sell if you own… You’ve seen Black’s cliffs… Mother Nature is in charge… 🤙
How is any addition of sand going to last when Greenland and Antarctica are melting at accelerating rates? There will also be more severe storms. Sorry for the pessimism. The planet is changing fast.
California like all coastlines are always changing , 1. Don’t build within 1/2 mile from the high tide elevation 2 don’t fight erosion in the summer with south swells sand will return 3. Don’t involve the government that will make it worse
agree, the 1/2 mile buffer was the solution, but too late for that. At least halt all hardscaping along the coast now. once a home falls into the sea that land should be taken back for buffer. the rail line likely living on borrowed time too.
I have lived in South Orange County for 50 years. For decades, I have recreated at Capistrano Beach Park. Although only a few miles north of San Clemente, the sand did a different thing than what was stated in this video. Beginning in the mid-1980s, each summer, less and less sand returned. There was noticeably less sand each year. I think it was the winter of 2018 when it was hit with large winter swells that coincided with high astronomical tides. That did major damage to the coastline. And it has gotten worse each year after. By the way, I have been going to Central Baja along the Pacific coast for almost 40 years. The exact same thing has been happening down there. Sandy coves that I used to camp in are no longer there. They disappeared over 20 years ago.
Costal development is what destroys it all
I have lived in Ventura for 65 years by the beach. Our beaches are still 300' to 500' wide in a lot of areas, flat beaches. There is zero sign of "sea level" rise. I will take 65 years of personal observations over any garbage the media puts out.
@@jk9300111where in Ventura?
@@jk9300111thank you for your ignorant comment. Now tell us the status of millions of miles of beaches of all continents please!
@@nicolatesla5786 Ever heared of the word "erosion" miss cocky Einstein? Oh wait, the water does rise in your world and not others.
Started surfing 1963 San Diego beaches to Trestles and have watched all beaches lose sand year after year. Own a home right up the street from Buccaneer Beach in south Oceanside, and sadly, we have less and less sand to enjoy. Mother nature at work.
Glad to see this work being done now. We just moved to Orange County last November and San Clemente is our favorite beach town. We'd like to live there some day. What a great place. We love it!
Good job Greg. Good to see you telling the complete story.... instead of simply blaming climate change like others do.
Great documentary. Thank you for doing this and bringing visibility into this topic. I love san clemente.
The coastline has been eroding for millions of years, the only trouble now is, that so many live on the coast to be affected.
Was there anything in here about beach nourishment projects that have been effective? Just wondering if I missed it.
One of my favorite spots to surf in the early 60s was Riviera St in San Clemente
Killer Dana is getting revenge...it was forewarned about the unknown effects of building the breakwater for the harbor.
True true …..This beach erosion happened in direct synchronicity , with the aftermath of building the Dana Point Harbor ….
The Dana boat harbor is such a terrible thing... most ppl have no idea what was there before. Now we are paying the price of no forethought.
at least there was a huge profit for someone at some point.
Used to surf there late 70s to mid 80s beaches were beautiful ! Here on the big island for almost 40 years . Crazy seeing waves hit the railroad tracks . Bums me out 😞🤙🏾
I’ve been paying attention. Oceanside beaches are gone, too.
I have a different take after living in Del Mar CA 17 years and seeing all of the confusion and suffering over erosion and the consequences of non-brilliant settlers deciding to build a village on an estuary 100 years ago. CA Coast commission = Bad.
Surfrider Floundation with its own agenda and no board members living in DM, got laughed out of public hearings. SAVE TRESTLES...SAVE TRESTLES was the HEIGHT OF ARROGANCE when it comes to humankind's influence on reversing the damage/ consequences of our existence. Moving save from one place to another is a waste of time and resources because it erroneously suggests man can indefinitely alter nature. Thanks for receiving this alternative perspective. Want to learn more: study Del Mar's SLR fiascos.
what is the TLDR?
Remove every dam and deconcretize all the rivers and streams. That’s a start. Genetically modify kelp to withstand warmer waters to regrow the once mighty kelp forests of Southern California.
I wish you had covered how riprap, seawalls, and other hardscaping leads to loss of sand. Where those hardscapes exist... no sand. Where the ocean is allowed to meet the natural landscape, sand is created through erosion (and river deposit and natural dredging/swells). Keep your own eyes open and observe yourself how manmade and natural differ. Maybe you all have given up on this real solution since with continual sea rise it could only mean re-imagining the coast (moving the rail, removing hardscape, creating a buffer).
Amen. I was thinking the same thing. All the hardening is taking a toll on Santa Cruz beaches as well. On the other hand, look at Surfer's Point in Ventura as a model of how to rehabilitate a beach. Have other beaches been rehabilitated by allowing the natural landscape to return?
Yeah they lost me at "We dont need more studies. We dont need more research." The new sand is going to wash away like the old sand. And then what?
Looks like a road along the coast. Inevitable hard structure impact. Natural system has unravelled. The sands usually travel down current so my guess is the whole foast isnt getting its sand topped up. Could be lack of loose sand blowing offshore, lack of natural coastline...sinking coast. Ya have to be agile living on the coast
there were large kelp beds just offshore all gone now
@MealTeam6There were vast amounts of kelp beds just offshore of many of the beaches I grew up on in SoCal… now there are hardly even a trace of what used to be thriving… the sea urchins have exploded in numbers and are consuming the kelp roots at a devastating rate. Not sure what you have to base your opinion on, but in the last 30 years, there’s been a drastic reduction in kelp forests of Orange County’s coastline.
Great to see the video up, Great working with you and thank you for using my footage
I didn't appreciate California beaches until I went to Hawaii where even the "packed" sand by the water is soft and 30' in you're at 6' deep. It's really horrible for your everyday beach user or body boarder. The whole paradise thing is hype, unless you're a surfer and can paddle out to some sort of reef - and can handle the insane levels of UV.
I love this beautiful town and beaches !!!
Many Christmas vacations and and family time together in the summer at the beach , with my husbands family.
I miss you San Clemente !!!
And those Drinks
Tressles!!!pineapple- coconut delight!
Prayers for your beaches.
Much love
Jody
Utah USA 🇺🇸
More man made alterations to fix the results of our previous alterations? How about returning the coast to its natural landscape? Managed retreat did wonders at Surfer's Point in Ventura.
Build jetties like Newport Beach…
building sand castles to stop erosion is a horrible waste of time and money. malibu does this every few years. either build an artificial reef or let it erode away.
Huge respect to YOU, Big Wave Charger Greg Long. Always a fan of yours, Sir. What an honor to get to meet you in person in '11 at bwwt awards, for Jamie. Our deepest heart felt condolences on the loss of your neighborhood beach. How unfortunate it is though, i did not hear any of the facts of the changing climate,...the global warming and sea level rise mentioned even once in this piece. Only understandable sentimental emotion, and business loss fears. Not once in this piece, was the mention, of the predominant political and media influence in Orange County California, since about 2015, who has denied the effects of the proven climate change/global warming sea level rise. Could it possibly be then,.....that Orange County's denial of the facts, and support of an anti environmental, anti science political party,...has led to this ? Could continuing to support such anti environmental politics, basically just kicking the can down the road,.... lead to even further erosion and business loss ? Let's maybe step back, and consider if we've learned anything in the past two, three, or four decades now that the results of such, are being seen and felt. Maybe a long term plan for the future includes less emotion and concern of quick business money ? Maybe the future plan needs to be based in the reality of science. Always an open invite to you Greg, to re visit, the big lake.....e.
Hey there - While Greg was kind enough to appear in our film, he is not responsible for its final form - we (Bring Back Our Beaches) are. In any event, we appreciate your comment but it is quite clear based on several studies that interruption of the natural sediment/sand supply (as much as 91% in SoCal per recent study) is the primary driver of San Clemente's erosion issues, not sea level rise. That's not to say there hasn't been some amount of sea level rise (NOAA data for SoCal shows ~.35ft in the last 100 years), it's just not the root cause of San Clemente's erosion issues.
@@BringBackOurBeaches four inches is a whole lot with a storm high tide. But we appreciate your response.
@@BringBackOurBeaches It is obvious that this is the root cause, I agree - so how come no mention of this in the video?
The video description sounded like there was going to be science, but instead the "coastal scientist" just said sand is worth more than gold. How much is gold worth? How long is a string?
Personally I think we need to think way, way bigger. Undam and dechannelize the rivers, get all the rip rap off the coast, move the railroad and all the rich NIMBY houses trying to stop the cliff -eroding- turning back into beach.
I know most will think I'm crazy, but the ocean knows the truth.
The open ocean dredging is the problem. When you make big holes out there, the sand from the shore flows out to fill those holes back in. They are stealing the sand for concrete to build buildings
Yup, and goes almost entirely unreported. Makes you wonder who the”they” are 😬
What facts do you have for this claim?
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Kelp, It's gone and so goes the sand
Your confused. The warm water hurts the kelp. Kelp does not grow in sand btw
@@paulhowse1400 The kelp hold the eco system in place helping the sand stay on the beach.
@@paulhowse1400 the massive kelp forests that used to blanket the waters of Southern California helped to slow coastal erosion. Perhaps the answer is to create a genetically modified kelp species that can thrive in warmer waters. However, no matter what we do the relentless energy the ocean throws at the beaches will still eat away at them. All we can do is slow it down and adapt our developments accordingly.
What do you mean by time running out ? What if the sand replenishment project starts 20 years from now ? Wouldnt it be just a little more sand ?
So is the land subsiding also?
Nothing lasts forever
Dredge…NJ has done this for many decades…has its pros and cons
I love this beautiful town and beaches !!!
Many Christmas vacations and and family time together in the summer at the beach , with my husbands family.
I miss you San Clemente !!!
And those Drinks
Tressles!!!pineapple- coconut delight!
Prayers for your beaches.
Much love
Jody
its great to camp at san clementine and get robbed, locals love for the masses to come down and share their lovely coastal sand.
There is no beach at 204’s any more compared to how much beach use to be there in 05
Trying to save OUR 3-5 miles of coastline…… from beach road( approx. 500yds south of the harbor:::: down to Cottons Point…. Suggestion of maybe more made made reefs made 300-500 yds off the shoreline and possibly 3-5 ROCK JETTIES… to slow the surf an erosion of beach sand…..ALL AS A ASSISTANCE OF LOOSING OUR BEACH SAND??? MAYBE A GOOD IDEA…. In the long haul…. But get it started soon???? My suggestion only
Nixon used to stroll the beaches of San Clemente…big ol’ shorts on…
but what does WHEELER REEF have to say?
Change of politicians is needed
So the reflected wave energy off the railroad riprap destroyed the beach... so the railroad destroyed the beach.
King Canute?
By the time you decide its a go...BEACH WILL BE GONE
Lost winds and uppers is a gem
If everyone did their part, or even did just a little to live a less poluting lifestyle there might be some hope. But, thats not gonna happen anytime soon. The quest for money is destroying everything.
Started in 1999 and still no sand, Reagan, the scariest words you'll ever heard, We're from the Government and we're here to help
Gov Regulation is the best chance at serving the common good... you can't expect Corporations to fix it!
Hey silly , Pat Brown , Reagan and others were part of the problem , by allowing the building of the Dana Point Harbor , where do you think the wave energy is going to go , not into a protected Harbor ….but downstream to sandy beaches ..causing erosion
California baby…worst governing bodies sans local mayors in world
You actually think you’re going to have any long term influence in dictating to the planet how it will continue to evolve ?
BIG PLANET vs little people. 🤔
Take a reality check
The planet has never stopped changing , never will . Just live in peace and gratitude for the time you’ve had in the place you were . There’s no going back
But also get down on your knees and ask God the Creator Source to turn it's gaze through and to YOUR need, man.
The irony is that San Clemente is known as a very politically conservative town. I'm sure many of those in power refuse to connect this to climate change and rising sea levels. It's going to be hard to agree upon a solution when you don't agree on the cause.
Cause it’s not caused by ‘climate change’
It’s caused from all the sea walls, roads, buildings built right at the shoreline. The energy gets stopped from continuing forward and quickly retreats taking sand with it. I wish you weren’t so ignorant.
There was never a problem with building Dubai, F the world under water if you can't see it then it doesn't matter, there's plenty of sand between Riverside and Palm Springs. Rebuild the beaches with desert sand. Ca. Ain't gonna run out of sand.
Desert sand is too smooth, it doesn’t hold together like ocean sand. That’s why they dredge and steal the ocean sand for high strength concrete to build buildings
I have news for you.
Global Warming is expanding/ rising sea levels.
That coastline is toast.
You will not win that battle or anything remotely close…
Find a new break…
Sell if you own…
You’ve seen Black’s cliffs…
Mother Nature is in charge…
🤙
Global warming is an absolute hoax.
Weather is constantly changing, erosion is nonstop. That’s not the fault of evil oil companies or SUV’s.
🤡
How is any addition of sand going to last when Greenland and Antarctica are melting at accelerating rates? There will also be more severe storms. Sorry for the pessimism. The planet is changing fast.
California like all coastlines are always changing ,
1. Don’t build within 1/2 mile from the high tide elevation
2 don’t fight erosion in the summer with south swells sand will return
3. Don’t involve the government that will make it worse
agree, the 1/2 mile buffer was the solution, but too late for that. At least halt all hardscaping along the coast now. once a home falls into the sea that land should be taken back for buffer. the rail line likely living on borrowed time too.
Grew up at Riviera in San Clemente this is the karma from the greed and development of people there