I think there's an error here, it was explicitly mentioned that all the events of Darksiders 2 were unsanctioned by the Charred Council and thus Death couldn't take the Harvester, therefore he went to Vulgrim to get a new pair of scythes as told in the Graphic novels
That's not about Darksiders 2, but for a comic where Death goes to Earth hunting an Angel for Abaddon. Though it does bring up the question of how Death got Harvester before Darksiders 2.
@@BlankEmporium death made the harvester but in Darksiders 2 we don't have the harvester because the mission is unsanctioned therefore he gave it to vulgrim because he can't use it
Considering that the Rider of the Black Horse is a female named _Fury_ ... Why didn't I think she'd have a weapon to complete the _"Hell hath no Fury"_ motif
I feel like Vulgrim is slowly building up massive amounts of power, his knowledge grows all the time and the apocalypse has brought him alot of opportunity to gain things that could have been hard to get beforehand, in the first game he is fed more than 10,000 souls by war and in the second game he is given the entire book of the dead, if souls power so much in the games and if Vulgrim is a master of the dark arts, all this knowledge and energy would make him very strong, what he's going to do with all this power I don't know but I'm wondering if we'll see him make a double cross or even a save for the Horsemen near the end of the story (assuming all the horsemen will get their own game and maybe a 5th game with all 4 of them.
Yeah we could definitely see this happening but at the moment we really don't know what will happen. :) Though if THQ Nordic continues the way OG THQ was going to, that is exactly what will happen when it comes to games. There will be 4, one for each horseman and then a 5th 4 player co-op.
The unstoppable rage mode War goes into while in battle I believe is inferred to be the weapon's doing (the blade is said to have a will of it's own and is said to be "angry" and "thirst for destruction" as well as being "cursed"). In the Darksiders Wrath of War pre-order comic the Charred Council ponder whether the blade will consume War when returning the blade to him after his tantrum that cost him his left arm at the hands of his brother Death to save Fury from War's rampage *"Chaoseater. The cursed blade. Eater of Souls. Can it be mastered... or will it destroy him?"*. I am pretty sure Chaoseater was made by Death or one of the other Nephilim smiths like Affliction and Harvester were... but to be fair I thought this of Scorn too since it was also a shape shifting weapon like Harvester but now they say in Darksiders 3 that it was made by the Mad Smith, which I find a bit out of left field (though he probably made the Abyssal Armor for each Horsemen too so I guess it kinda fits).
Thanks to their hybrid nature, half demon and half angel, their body are unstable and capable of level of power far greater then any other angelic or demonic beeing. Also the has some problem because of this instability that may create some mental stress and could make them more aggressive. Furthermore, they acquire their caotic form in which they are almost unstoppable but that kind of power is unstable and cannot been mainteined for long period of times.
I have a theory that Vulgrim is just acumulating energy by devouringthe souls, as we all know in the Darksiders universe, Soul is energy, and someday he can become a threatening foe, perhaps his goal is to become the Dark King himself who kows XD
That's entirely possible, we don't really have a way to know. It's either that or his sustenance, or he's a junkie, at least those seem the most likely three possibilities to us.
In my opinion vulgrim and any other strong demon had to absorb the energy inside souls to power their abilities, but not eating or killing them because souls are basically immortal.
I think the same thing. Ever since the first Darksiders I was like "this guy is going to be trouble later". In DS2 I had a feeling he was going to sell me a weapon that hurt me in some way. I think he will be a great enemy in DS5. Like let's get 4 and conclude most of the story then at the end the horseman are all gathered and hear a voice saying "you ruined my plans, fine you also made me stronger than you" or something like that and that's when you have to use all 4 to beat him in DS5.
Seeing how tempted he was by the power of a Heart of a Chosen in Darksiders I and how menacingly angry he temporarily got when War withdrew it from his reach, that's nearly a given.
Darksiders III SPOILERS inbound: He seems much like the true Envy but even more patient and calculated. I'm sure, the artifacts of the Lost Legion from the first game, the pages of the Book of the Dead and the Ferryman Tokens from the second game and of course all the souls he greedily absorbed over the course of all three (potentially four) games will in some ways play huge roles in making him one of the most powerful threats so far... or a surprise ally and/or the fifth playable character - who knows! XD
I wish there was more lore on some of these characters, the human in Pt.2s DLC is a good example. Gorewood, Wicked K, the Dragon in the ice dlc and every other boss are enough to to make it interesting like the Souls Series.
My favourite boss would be Argul, which also has the most lore out of all the optional bosses. From his own DLC Argul's Tomb with the frozen dragon (i think his name was Frostbane) to the Soul Arbiter's maze, a labyrinth ruled by one of his old servants now keeping his crown. Also, Argul is one of the strongest bosses as well, together with being one of the coolest. He has the epitome of a "cool beard' : he has icicles on his chin.
@@jurtheorc8117 oh yes! I wanted to say Argul too, I couldn't remember his name. And Frostbane is the dragons name. I would love to know where he came from and why he serves as a guardian. Where are all of his kin? Things like that could provide oodles of lore, lol
Thanks again for beautiful video explanation! Looking forward to see some information about Ostegoth he's also one of the interesting merchants who appears in DS II. Cheers!
There are a few comics, one for War and a five issue series for Death. We're not sure how they compare to what you're thinking, but they were pretty fun. The Abomination Vault novel is a really good read as well.
I always thought it was in lore that death had created all the horsemans main weapons for each individual. Like a personalized weapon since he was a master craftsman
Btw something i thought was that maybe their weapons were grand abominations but like weak ones. After all war's sword is said to be thirsty for destruction if I remember correct. Both the harvester and the chaoseater also obey their masters so it could be arguied its simple the sentient weapon obeying them. It would also explain why the harvester can turn into so many weapons.
for those who may not know vulgrim is a resident of the void which connects to all of creation through the serpent holes in the same way as the tree of life just on a different plain of existence
I SEE ME I AM BEYOND HAPPY Though for reals do we know ANYTHING on the watchers atleast I'm pretty certain that's their name. The weird black floaty guy from DS1 and the new female one from DS3
I had thought that the harvester wasnt seen in DS2 because it takes the councils approval for him to wield, and his mission wasnt council sanctioned. Along with war possessing it for his game (i know it was a "bonus" but i think theyre just running with it" Hence his dual kamas. It is good to know that he can morph it though, for when War gives it back to him in the future story of the games
We were guessing. It is entirely possible (even likely, for exactly the reasons you state), that Death doesn't have Harvestor in DS2, were just trying to say that if he DOES have it, it seems most likely to be the one used in Reaper form.
It is confirmed in the Abomination Vault that the only way anything can be truly destroyed, is by casting it into Oblivion, which also the heaviest sentence the Council can give, destroying someone absolutely. So whatever The Lord of Hollows does or what happens to souls devoured by demons and the like, they aren't destroyed and most likely will return to the Well of the Souls eventually. But I do wonder if the souls that Vulgrim devours, that are collected through out the game, are really the "complete souls of the death" or just "soul pieces left behind", this seeing how even lantern poles releases souls when destroyed. The soul piece idea would also explain why souls of the dead has such a long process to pass through the city of the Dead. As it would mean the souls has to be cleansed of memory and the damage repaired.
That's not an unreasonable possibility, especially since some souls escape the City of the Dead process or are destroyed during the purification process.
@@the_dropbear4392 True. They won't return to the Well of Souls as long as the Lord of The Hollows lives. But they still exist inside him, they aren't erased from existence, as would be the case if they were thrown into Oblivion.
I don't think being tossed into Oblivion destroys you... you are just tossed from Creation and can never be reborn anew from the Well of Souls... plus what is even more terrifying is you remain conscious and alive while within that timeless realm of nothingness (I think that was implied in the book but I could be miss-remembering). If you have played Darksiders 3 the new Lord of Hollows can perform the "Hollowing" and that does actually destroy ones soul absolutely (destroys immortal souls so that they can never pass through the Well of Souls and be reborn anew).
@@the_dropbear4392 - I think he literally destroys the souls of those who offer themselves up to the "Hollowing"... I think he destroys them completely and absorbs the raw power of them afterwards (this no more soul from the being who was Hollow'ed).
I think it would be really cool if you guys made theory videos! Like predictions, or even just speculation videos of what things are and how things could turn out.
While the novel does establish that the Harvester can shapeshift at Death's will and I too thought that at least his scythes in the game are variations of it, the Darksiders II comic "Deaths Door" makes it much more clear that Death doesn't use the Harvester for some undisclosed reason except for when he is in his Reaper Form. To clarify: In the comic, he visits a particular demon meddler not unrelated to this video and asks for a pair of scythes he can use on a mission not sanctioned by the Council. For the price of a Hydra's tongue he gets them. That and the fact that Death acquires all of his weapons by picking them up from enemies, bosses and/or chests, that there are legendary and possesed ones among them and that they all vary hugely in power leads me to think that none of them are the Harvester and are instead simply weapons he picks up and uses. *Edit:* Shit, you even mention that point... that's weird... *Edit 2:* Since you referenced the Abomination Vault so often in the early parts of this video, I found it a bit disappointing that you didn't mention the supernatural, living, self-reloading revolver from that story when you talked about Strife's weaponry. It's been a while since I last read the novel but as I remember its endless supply of ammunition came from unnatural, sharp teeth constantly being pulled from another dimension. I'm not sure whether or not this is one of the two weapons of choice Strife uses but at least there are parallels and similarities. *Edit 3:* Now that Darksiders III is out and we know all the different forms Fury's weapon assumes, how the Hollows play into it etc. and with some of the very insightful comments (hopefully including mine) on this video, would you consider doing a version 2.0 of this video with the added information? *Edit 4:* I don't know how much can be said about them but it feels weird that you didn't mention the Serpent Holes, Vulgrim's preferred method of travel. I think they're extremely interesting and it's very intriguing how Samael is also able to use them but his look samey but very different - less structured with lots of useless floor and most notably a completely different tint of the skybox, implying that the abilities of the user define how that dimension takes shape.
Regarding Edit 2: We didn't mention that gun because there is no evidence that Strife has ever gotten his hands on it. (But we do have a video on the Grand Abominations, in which we go over that gun) Regarding Edit 3: Possibly? We have a few of these with new information, but we probably won't get around to them until newer Darksiders content requests have been worked through. Regarding Edit 4: Mostly we didn't reference the Serpent Holes because they're not a power, ability, etc. that are possessed by Vulgrim alone, as you mention Samael can use them, so can the Horsemaster of the far fields, so presumably plenty of people can use them. Also thanks for your solid input!
Death didn't use harvester in ds2 for some reason. Maybe when he reaches earth on war breaking the last seal, he will take it from war, currently known to have possession of the harvester.
As far as the comics and book have told us the Harvester is basically mission locked. By that we mean that the Harvester is not allowed to be used by death unless he is on a sanctioned council mission, Hence why he doesn't use it in the comics, Does use it in the book and once again doesn't use it on his unsanctioned mission in DS2.
@@TrueMastersandMorons so thats why he is finding himself a new weapon from vulgrim in one of the comics. Still wondering how did the harvester end up in War's hand (if thats canonical) in DS1.
@@Gabber1110 I honestly doubt that the Harvester being in DS1 is cannon. It seems more like a cool easter egg, especially since the code to get it was originally a pre-order bonus.
Actually contrary to popular belief, Death's dual shapeshifting scythes are not the Harvester. We know this because Death can summon that same massive scythe separately from the smaller ones. The smaller ones are just weapons he buys from marchents.
Actually his Harvester can turn into two shape shifting weapons he does buy the ones we see him use in his game from merchants because the council puts limitations on where exactly he can haul the thing but Death made the Harvester and made it to be able to do the whole shape shifting thing. :) You are correct of course that the normal weapons he walks around with are not the Harvester. :)
Switching strifes bow from the revelation for two handguns is an interesting thing. If we get ds 4 or a solo game for strife, i would like to see him with a bow. If we get a vulgrim boss fight against him, he better be a difficult one. He must be close to a god with all the souls he ate.
Awesome videos, i love this series. My thoughts on the weapons the 4 use is this. The 4 represent different points of turmoil whether it be from within our an outward force coming upon them and I find it interesting as to how Vigil is releasing them in the order they are (or maybe I'm delving too deeply) as War is first, and this unleashes Armageddon or the Great War. Death comes next to save the deaths of humanity by giving his life. Fury, my thoughts on this is episode has more to do with the horsemen gaining more knowledge on the REAL puppetmasters behind the conspiracy that saw the leader of the hellguard fall to ruin and the imprisonment of the most honorable of the 4 and thus enduring the fury of the 4. Then Strife, will have the 4 wage their own war upon the one we are waiting to see step out from behind the curtain and strife from the 4 will be wrought unto them. Now coming back to the weapons, each weapon saps the essence of the horseman's entity and fuels what they represent
Understandable and certainly a potentially correct view. With one thing being slightly off course. According to the original plan from the THQ staff they wanted a total of 5 games. 1.War, 2. Death, 3. Fury, 4. Strife, And 5. a 4 player Co-op game following the end of Darksiders 1 where the 4 housemen would ride against a combined threat. We believe Strife's game will actually take place before all 3 of his brother's and sister and explain (HOPEFULLY!) what happened to him though that is purely conjecture on our part. As far we know THQ Nordic wants to keep to that same original plan for 5 games. (at least we hope they do. )
Game Informer recently released an interview with the head of Gunfire where he states that they would like to do a fourth game. He said that much of development for DS3 was spent on rebuilding things in UE4, and along with DS being a passion of his, not making another game would be a waste of all that time and effort. This indicates that we will likely get at least one more game, though I find it more likely that they will stick with the original plan they had back at Vigil. Plus, it would be a shame to see Strife be denied the same focus that the other three have been given.
Thanks for the responses!! And you're very right. I had listed these thoughts several years after my initial process of it all and honestly it would only suit the series to have 5 games and hopefully it would be just as fun in depth and intriguing as they have with the first 2. I'm utterly in love with the approach and the story of this series and the artwork is amazing. I get some of the issues with gameplay and in game stuff but I feel those could get overlooked if the team succeeds in bringing those other 3 aspects to all of the games, while hopefully ironing out the issues of course. My only other intrigue woukd be of Samael, he's thanks intriguing character other then say the horsemen...yes, even more than Lucifer though he would be third because I seriously thought that the Destroyer was the Lucifer of the universe....how blissfully wrong I was.
@@timothykaminski1978 They definitely have set the ground work for some awesome games, and I have no doubt that DS3 will be just as good as the previous two. Samael clearly has his own agenda, and I would wager that we will find out what it is before the series ends
@@mformewtwo heck yes, I've had this preordered since it was available lmao. I'm kind of nervous about the consequences of taking out the minimap. What is going to happen to hoardseeker??
I don't think that the secondary weapon in darksiders2 is the harvester... Mainly because when you use the secondary weapon you can still clearly see the the scythes at his waist, but I do really like that he can change the harvesters form.
It's not, We simply said that due to how much he can change the Harvester that if he wanted to he could make it into those secondary weapons. it's an amusing thought we decided to share, it's in no way possible to be cannon. But we agree and had never thought about the synths at his hips. :)
Actually death did not use his own original scythes in darksiders two he used the tongue to buy new scythes since he was not on a Council sanctioned Mission he could wield his personal scythes since it is very forbidden for him to use them unless on a council mission
No he is not dead in the majority of Darksiders 1 which happens after Darksiders 3. As well as he works as a merchant again for Fury in her game. It is a cool idea though. :)
Btw something i thought was that maybe their weapons were grand abominations but like weak ones. After all war's sword is said to be thirsty for destruction if I remember correct. Both the harvester and the chaoseater also obey their masters so it could be arguied its simple the sentient weapon obeying them. It would also explain why the harvester can turn into so many weapons.
Thanks for the lore request :) The Abomination Vault novel specifically mentions that Harvester is not a Grand Abomination, and the other three Nephilim, (War, Fury, Strife) didn't even know they existed. So we presume that none of their weapons are abominations either.
Spoiler ahead for those who haven't play DS 3 ... I think there's a strong indication that Strife gave his weapon to the Makers after Humans left Haven with Fury that can assist his brothers (notably War) somehow. Though the timeline maybe a bit confusing for now, it is a theory we can't set aside imo
Vulgrum... Tin foil hat theory. But maybe he is the Creator. By that I mean the Creator takes the form of vulgrum to travel freely amoung the demons and Earth. Also being able to interact with the horsemen
But we can basically 100% confirm at least Death is coming back. The Prince of Demons can see the future, and said "I'll see you again" before War died without seeing him again.
That is our running theory, that Strife's game (presumably ending in his death) takes place before the rest of the games, meaning that in Darksiders 1, 2, and 3 he'd be dead. But that's just our theory. Also yes, at the end of Darksiders 2 it straight up tells us that Death will rise again, presumably meaning all of the horsemen (Who we see being summoned at the end of Darksiders 1) will also rise from their graves should they die.
'I might be late. but just discovered yalls vids. and i love them. however if im being honest every time you use the word "clip" when talking about the fire arms drives me up the wall.
YES, my life is complete now :D Thanks for the awesome Darksiders lore videos btw, that story is well beyond comprehendable without any additional help :D
I always saw vulgrims soul obsession as more of a drug addiction than anything
We can definitely see that as he does say that his hunger for souls get's worse and worse each time he devours them. Classic addict.
I feel he might be Lucifer in disguise or an aspect of him, like Voldemort’s hocruxes
Never thought of it that way but that’s a pretty cool way of looking at it
That would make sense as Demons in Darksiders often draw power from souls, too. Straga, Samael, Lucifer all did it.
The sword just sticks to his back because war wants it too...... end of story GENIUS!!!!!
I think there's an error here, it was explicitly mentioned that all the events of Darksiders 2 were unsanctioned by the Charred Council and thus Death couldn't take the Harvester, therefore he went to Vulgrim to get a new pair of scythes as told in the Graphic novels
That's not about Darksiders 2, but for a comic where Death goes to Earth hunting an Angel for Abaddon. Though it does bring up the question of how Death got Harvester before Darksiders 2.
@@BlankEmporium death made the harvester but in Darksiders 2 we don't have the harvester because the mission is unsanctioned therefore he gave it to vulgrim because he can't use it
War - The Badass Red Riding Hood.
LOL!
Considering that the Rider of the Black Horse is a female named _Fury_ ...
Why didn't I think she'd have a weapon to complete the _"Hell hath no Fury"_ motif
For what it's worth, we didn't think of that either, though it is delightful.
I feel like Vulgrim is slowly building up massive amounts of power, his knowledge grows all the time and the apocalypse has brought him alot of opportunity to gain things that could have been hard to get beforehand, in the first game he is fed more than 10,000 souls by war and in the second game he is given the entire book of the dead, if souls power so much in the games and if Vulgrim is a master of the dark arts, all this knowledge and energy would make him very strong, what he's going to do with all this power I don't know but I'm wondering if we'll see him make a double cross or even a save for the Horsemen near the end of the story (assuming all the horsemen will get their own game and maybe a 5th game with all 4 of them.
Yeah we could definitely see this happening but at the moment we really don't know what will happen. :) Though if THQ Nordic continues the way OG THQ was going to, that is exactly what will happen when it comes to games. There will be 4, one for each horseman and then a 5th 4 player co-op.
The unstoppable rage mode War goes into while in battle I believe is inferred to be the weapon's doing (the blade is said to have a will of it's own and is said to be "angry" and "thirst for destruction" as well as being "cursed"). In the Darksiders Wrath of War pre-order comic the Charred Council ponder whether the blade will consume War when returning the blade to him after his tantrum that cost him his left arm at the hands of his brother Death to save Fury from War's rampage *"Chaoseater. The cursed blade. Eater of Souls. Can it be mastered... or will it destroy him?"*.
I am pretty sure Chaoseater was made by Death or one of the other Nephilim smiths like Affliction and Harvester were... but to be fair I thought this of Scorn too since it was also a shape shifting weapon like Harvester but now they say in Darksiders 3 that it was made by the Mad Smith, which I find a bit out of left field (though he probably made the Abyssal Armor for each Horsemen too so I guess it kinda fits).
The Super Form's inherent to War. Samael says so in Darksiders 1, and Genesis.
Can you do a lore on the horse men’s true form
Edit: thanks for all the likes
I'd rather have them wait till darksider III comes out. That way we have more info.
Spider craft true
Thanks to their hybrid nature, half demon and half angel, their body are unstable and capable of level of power far greater then any other angelic or demonic beeing. Also the has some problem because of this instability that may create some mental stress and could make them more aggressive. Furthermore, they acquire their caotic form in which they are almost unstoppable but that kind of power is unstable and cannot been mainteined for long period of times.
@@doublehit9165 Exept for Lucifer and Samael who are far more powerful
@@the_dropbear4392 yes, you are right of course.
I have a theory that Vulgrim is just acumulating energy by devouringthe souls, as we all know in the Darksiders universe, Soul is energy, and someday he can become a threatening foe, perhaps his goal is to become the Dark King himself who kows XD
That's entirely possible, we don't really have a way to know. It's either that or his sustenance, or he's a junkie, at least those seem the most likely three possibilities to us.
In my opinion vulgrim and any other strong demon had to absorb the energy inside souls to power their abilities, but not eating or killing them because souls are basically immortal.
I think the same thing. Ever since the first Darksiders I was like "this guy is going to be trouble later". In DS2 I had a feeling he was going to sell me a weapon that hurt me in some way. I think he will be a great enemy in DS5. Like let's get 4 and conclude most of the story then at the end the horseman are all gathered and hear a voice saying "you ruined my plans, fine you also made me stronger than you" or something like that and that's when you have to use all 4 to beat him in DS5.
Seeing how tempted he was by the power of a Heart of a Chosen in Darksiders I and how menacingly angry he temporarily got when War withdrew it from his reach, that's nearly a given.
Darksiders III SPOILERS inbound:
He seems much like the true Envy but even more patient and calculated. I'm sure, the artifacts of the Lost Legion from the first game, the pages of the Book of the Dead and the Ferryman Tokens from the second game and of course all the souls he greedily absorbed over the course of all three (potentially four) games will in some ways play huge roles in making him one of the most powerful threats so far... or a surprise ally and/or the fifth playable character - who knows! XD
Abyssal armors
Am I the only one the pictures Vugrim with a toilet above the well of souls?
GameMasterCoolDudeGuy GROSS
Straight up ROFLOL from both of us! :P
@@TrueMastersandMorons I'm glad I could make you guys laugh. :)
I wish there was more lore on some of these characters, the human in Pt.2s DLC is a good example.
Gorewood, Wicked K, the Dragon in the ice dlc and every other boss are enough to to make it interesting like the Souls Series.
My favourite boss would be Argul, which also has the most lore out of all the optional bosses. From his own DLC Argul's Tomb with the frozen dragon (i think his name was Frostbane) to the Soul Arbiter's maze, a labyrinth ruled by one of his old servants now keeping his crown.
Also, Argul is one of the strongest bosses as well, together with being one of the coolest. He has the epitome of a "cool beard' : he has icicles on his chin.
@@jurtheorc8117 oh yes! I wanted to say Argul too, I couldn't remember his name.
And Frostbane is the dragons name. I would love to know where he came from and why he serves as a guardian. Where are all of his kin?
Things like that could provide oodles of lore, lol
Try the bible
@@Pun291 oh really, I must've missed the part about Vulgrim. Oh and that verse on Gorewood. Still have yet to see the chapter on Wicked K....
@@tonesdad0408 nice i actually worried that you wouldnt get the joke
Vulgrim is shady but he gives us good stuff
Thanks again for beautiful video explanation! Looking forward to see some information about Ostegoth he's also one of the interesting merchants who appears in DS II. Cheers!
Angels: Light
Demons: Dark
Humans: have the capacity for both. Maybe this is what makes them so critical to the, "balance"
I thought Deaths weapon was the Chaos Fang found in Darksiders 2.
Hrid Hasan No, those are just a pair of scythes inspired by War’s Chaoseater.
This game could morph into a regular comic series ... Would be nice and violent like old school image stuff
There are a few comics, one for War and a five issue series for Death. We're not sure how they compare to what you're thinking, but they were pretty fun. The Abomination Vault novel is a really good read as well.
I always thought it was in lore that death had created all the horsemans main weapons for each individual. Like a personalized weapon since he was a master craftsman
Man, Vulgrim is AWESOME! If I didn't like Death as much as I did, Vulgrim would be my absolute favorite character in the series.
Fun fact: Vulgrim is voiced by Phil Lamarr.
YES HE IS!!!! :D Isaac loooooves Phil Lamarr! Green lantern! Samurai Jack! Vulgrim! Grimm from Grimm adventures of Billy and Mandy! :D YAAASS
Btw something i thought was that maybe their weapons were grand abominations but like weak ones. After all war's sword is said to be thirsty for destruction if I remember correct. Both the harvester and the chaoseater also obey their masters so it could be arguied its simple the sentient weapon obeying them. It would also explain why the harvester can turn into so many weapons.
for those who may not know vulgrim is a resident of the void which connects to all of creation through the serpent holes in the same way as the tree of life just on a different plain of existence
Put out an update on the weapons please.
I SEE ME I AM BEYOND HAPPY
Though for reals do we know ANYTHING on the watchers atleast I'm pretty certain that's their name. The weird black floaty guy from DS1 and the new female one from DS3
So glad we could make you happy. :)
and in case you didn't see it we did make a lore yesterday on the watchers.
I had thought that the harvester wasnt seen in DS2 because it takes the councils approval for him to wield, and his mission wasnt council sanctioned. Along with war possessing it for his game (i know it was a "bonus" but i think theyre just running with it" Hence his dual kamas. It is good to know that he can morph it though, for when War gives it back to him in the future story of the games
We were guessing. It is entirely possible (even likely, for exactly the reasons you state), that Death doesn't have Harvestor in DS2, were just trying to say that if he DOES have it, it seems most likely to be the one used in Reaper form.
Thank you for the video...
Please do video about Archon, Rod of Araphel and Outlight. I think it's all related. Thanks.
Weapon switch finishers for each horsemen on a off horse
It is confirmed in the Abomination Vault that the only way anything can be truly destroyed, is by casting it into Oblivion, which also the heaviest sentence the Council can give, destroying someone absolutely. So whatever The Lord of Hollows does or what happens to souls devoured by demons and the like, they aren't destroyed and most likely will return to the Well of the Souls eventually.
But I do wonder if the souls that Vulgrim devours, that are collected through out the game, are really the "complete souls of the death" or just "soul pieces left behind", this seeing how even lantern poles releases souls when destroyed. The soul piece idea would also explain why souls of the dead has such a long process to pass through the city of the Dead. As it would mean the souls has to be cleansed of memory and the damage repaired.
That's not an unreasonable possibility, especially since some souls escape the City of the Dead process or are destroyed during the purification process.
Well if the lord of the hollows just keeps hold of the soul, then they can't be recycled
@@the_dropbear4392 True. They won't return to the Well of Souls as long as the Lord of The Hollows lives. But they still exist inside him, they aren't erased from existence, as would be the case if they were thrown into Oblivion.
I don't think being tossed into Oblivion destroys you... you are just tossed from Creation and can never be reborn anew from the Well of Souls... plus what is even more terrifying is you remain conscious and alive while within that timeless realm of nothingness (I think that was implied in the book but I could be miss-remembering).
If you have played Darksiders 3 the new Lord of Hollows can perform the "Hollowing" and that does actually destroy ones soul absolutely (destroys immortal souls so that they can never pass through the Well of Souls and be reborn anew).
@@the_dropbear4392 - I think he literally destroys the souls of those who offer themselves up to the "Hollowing"... I think he destroys them completely and absorbs the raw power of them afterwards (this no more soul from the being who was Hollow'ed).
I love this series thanks for sharing this amazing video. I want more
I think it would be really cool if you guys made theory videos! Like predictions, or even just speculation videos of what things are and how things could turn out.
I think we'll leave that to the theorists... for now. :P
Real talk, Vulgrim is one of my favorite NPCs in gaming history.
Vulgirm sounds like a drug addict " do what ya gotta do. " to get your fix
While the novel does establish that the Harvester can shapeshift at Death's will and I too thought that at least his scythes in the game are variations of it, the Darksiders II comic "Deaths Door" makes it much more clear that Death doesn't use the Harvester for some undisclosed reason except for when he is in his Reaper Form.
To clarify: In the comic, he visits a particular demon meddler not unrelated to this video and asks for a pair of scythes he can use on a mission not sanctioned by the Council. For the price of a Hydra's tongue he gets them. That and the fact that Death acquires all of his weapons by picking them up from enemies, bosses and/or chests, that there are legendary and possesed ones among them and that they all vary hugely in power leads me to think that none of them are the Harvester and are instead simply weapons he picks up and uses. *Edit:* Shit, you even mention that point... that's weird...
*Edit 2:* Since you referenced the Abomination Vault so often in the early parts of this video, I found it a bit disappointing that you didn't mention the supernatural, living, self-reloading revolver from that story when you talked about Strife's weaponry. It's been a while since I last read the novel but as I remember its endless supply of ammunition came from unnatural, sharp teeth constantly being pulled from another dimension. I'm not sure whether or not this is one of the two weapons of choice Strife uses but at least there are parallels and similarities.
*Edit 3:* Now that Darksiders III is out and we know all the different forms Fury's weapon assumes, how the Hollows play into it etc. and with some of the very insightful comments (hopefully including mine) on this video, would you consider doing a version 2.0 of this video with the added information?
*Edit 4:* I don't know how much can be said about them but it feels weird that you didn't mention the Serpent Holes, Vulgrim's preferred method of travel. I think they're extremely interesting and it's very intriguing how Samael is also able to use them but his look samey but very different - less structured with lots of useless floor and most notably a completely different tint of the skybox, implying that the abilities of the user define how that dimension takes shape.
Regarding Edit 2: We didn't mention that gun because there is no evidence that Strife has ever gotten his hands on it. (But we do have a video on the Grand Abominations, in which we go over that gun)
Regarding Edit 3: Possibly? We have a few of these with new information, but we probably won't get around to them until newer Darksiders content requests have been worked through.
Regarding Edit 4: Mostly we didn't reference the Serpent Holes because they're not a power, ability, etc. that are possessed by Vulgrim alone, as you mention Samael can use them, so can the Horsemaster of the far fields, so presumably plenty of people can use them.
Also thanks for your solid input!
Death didn't use harvester in ds2 for some reason. Maybe when he reaches earth on war breaking the last seal, he will take it from war, currently known to have possession of the harvester.
As far as the comics and book have told us the Harvester is basically mission locked. By that we mean that the Harvester is not allowed to be used by death unless he is on a sanctioned council mission, Hence why he doesn't use it in the comics, Does use it in the book and once again doesn't use it on his unsanctioned mission in DS2.
@@TrueMastersandMorons so thats why he is finding himself a new weapon from vulgrim in one of the comics. Still wondering how did the harvester end up in War's hand (if thats canonical) in DS1.
@@Gabber1110 I honestly doubt that the Harvester being in DS1 is cannon. It seems more like a cool easter egg, especially since the code to get it was originally a pre-order bonus.
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vulgrims goin be the final boss
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Actually contrary to popular belief, Death's dual shapeshifting scythes are not the Harvester. We know this because Death can summon that same massive scythe separately from the smaller ones. The smaller ones are just weapons he buys from marchents.
Actually his Harvester can turn into two shape shifting weapons he does buy the ones we see him use in his game from merchants because the council puts limitations on where exactly he can haul the thing but Death made the Harvester and made it to be able to do the whole shape shifting thing. :) You are correct of course that the normal weapons he walks around with are not the Harvester. :)
@@TrueMastersandMorons That makes sense.
04:51 based weaponry
Switching strifes bow from the revelation for two handguns is an interesting thing. If we get ds 4 or a solo game for strife, i would like to see him with a bow.
If we get a vulgrim boss fight against him, he better be a difficult one. He must be close to a god with all the souls he ate.
Awesome videos, i love this series. My thoughts on the weapons the 4 use is this. The 4 represent different points of turmoil whether it be from within our an outward force coming upon them and I find it interesting as to how Vigil is releasing them in the order they are (or maybe I'm delving too deeply) as War is first, and this unleashes Armageddon or the Great War. Death comes next to save the deaths of humanity by giving his life. Fury, my thoughts on this is episode has more to do with the horsemen gaining more knowledge on the REAL puppetmasters behind the conspiracy that saw the leader of the hellguard fall to ruin and the imprisonment of the most honorable of the 4 and thus enduring the fury of the 4. Then Strife, will have the 4 wage their own war upon the one we are waiting to see step out from behind the curtain and strife from the 4 will be wrought unto them. Now coming back to the weapons, each weapon saps the essence of the horseman's entity and fuels what they represent
Understandable and certainly a potentially correct view. With one thing being slightly off course. According to the original plan from the THQ staff they wanted a total of 5 games. 1.War, 2. Death, 3. Fury, 4. Strife, And 5. a 4 player Co-op game following the end of Darksiders 1 where the 4 housemen would ride against a combined threat. We believe Strife's game will actually take place before all 3 of his brother's and sister and explain (HOPEFULLY!) what happened to him though that is purely conjecture on our part. As far we know THQ Nordic wants to keep to that same original plan for 5 games. (at least we hope they do. )
Game Informer recently released an interview with the head of Gunfire where he states that they would like to do a fourth game. He said that much of development for DS3 was spent on rebuilding things in UE4, and along with DS being a passion of his, not making another game would be a waste of all that time and effort. This indicates that we will likely get at least one more game, though I find it more likely that they will stick with the original plan they had back at Vigil. Plus, it would be a shame to see Strife be denied the same focus that the other three have been given.
Thanks for the responses!! And you're very right. I had listed these thoughts several years after my initial process of it all and honestly it would only suit the series to have 5 games and hopefully it would be just as fun in depth and intriguing as they have with the first 2. I'm utterly in love with the approach and the story of this series and the artwork is amazing. I get some of the issues with gameplay and in game stuff but I feel those could get overlooked if the team succeeds in bringing those other 3 aspects to all of the games, while hopefully ironing out the issues of course. My only other intrigue woukd be of Samael, he's thanks intriguing character other then say the horsemen...yes, even more than Lucifer though he would be third because I seriously thought that the Destroyer was the Lucifer of the universe....how blissfully wrong I was.
@@timothykaminski1978 They definitely have set the ground work for some awesome games, and I have no doubt that DS3 will be just as good as the previous two.
Samael clearly has his own agenda, and I would wager that we will find out what it is before the series ends
@@mformewtwo heck yes, I've had this preordered since it was available lmao. I'm kind of nervous about the consequences of taking out the minimap. What is going to happen to hoardseeker??
Ulthane made War's weapon
I don't think that the secondary weapon in darksiders2 is the harvester...
Mainly because when you use the secondary weapon you can still clearly see the the scythes at his waist, but I do really like that he can change the harvesters form.
It's not, We simply said that due to how much he can change the Harvester that if he wanted to he could make it into those secondary weapons. it's an amusing thought we decided to share, it's in no way possible to be cannon. But we agree and had never thought about the synths at his hips. :)
Holy crap last time I was here you had 600 about subs congratulations!!
Thank you! It's awesome!
War also owns the Armageddon blade
I mean yeah but that's not his weapon just like the myriad of weapons from DS2 aren't truly deaths weapons.
@@TrueMastersandMorons hey finder keepers right lol
Can you do a lore video for Wars Abyssal armor
But Redemption's cylinder has eight chambers, so it just magically gets two extra ones? Easier to remember having 10 shots than 8? lol
Actually death did not use his own original scythes in darksiders two he used the tongue to buy new scythes since he was not on a Council sanctioned Mission he could wield his personal scythes since it is very forbidden for him to use them unless on a council mission
Forbidden ...
Can you guys do a video on War's and Death's other weapons that were sealed away in those levitating statue things wrapped around in chains?
The entirety of Strifes game will ve trying to re-obtain his guns.
lol, he'd spend the whole game so pissed!
"Where are my goddamn guns"
@@Dekarowski25 I actually think, he will have a mission across the different realms, like Death. that would explain, why his guns are in makers hands.
Would you consider doing a lore video on Ostegoth?
Vulgrim gives War ths Soul Harvester in Darksiders 1
And he yells you that Death told him to give it to War at Death's request
Here's a thought on Valgruum. With how gluttonous he is could he be one of the seven deadly sins.
No he is not dead in the majority of Darksiders 1 which happens after Darksiders 3. As well as he works as a merchant again for Fury in her game. It is a cool idea though. :)
Gotta admire Vulgrim
Guys it's time for you guys to talk about darksiders 3!
Sorry to say it's not going to happen until we finish playing Darksiders 3. :)
You left out Vulgrim is a collector as well IE the pages of the book of the dead. and the Artifacts of the fallen legions.
Fresh Merchandise...
Mark hamil's character in the first dark souls? Cant remember his name the shade attached to war.
We did already do the Watchers. :) Hope you enjoy our many Darksiders lore videos. :)
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you are my sword and u ll be stand at my back!
end of story
*dont forget who holds the leassh*
what
Free roaming time travel fury leading war on the left strife on the right death guarding the teams back
Harvester is nearly as durable as death
Wow my comment was in this video! XD I am just surprised
Btw something i thought was that maybe their weapons were grand abominations but like weak ones. After all war's sword is said to be thirsty for destruction if I remember correct. Both the harvester and the chaoseater also obey their masters so it could be arguied its simple the sentient weapon obeying them. It would also explain why the harvester can turn into so many weapons.
Thanks for the lore request :)
The Abomination Vault novel specifically mentions that Harvester is not a Grand Abomination, and the other three Nephilim, (War, Fury, Strife) didn't even know they existed. So we presume that none of their weapons are abominations either.
did you make a video about the abyssal armor if you did one can you write the link in my comment and thanks
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Thar ye be. :)
7:31 unlimited magazine or ammo. it's not a clip
Our bad, we've had several people inform us that we're not up on our firearm lingo, ;p
Whos made the weapons
Spoiler ahead for those who haven't play DS 3 ...
I think there's a strong indication that Strife gave his weapon to the Makers after Humans left Haven with Fury that can assist his brothers (notably War) somehow. Though the timeline maybe a bit confusing for now, it is a theory we can't set aside imo
it is Shira brie/ lumayia light whip instead
Thank you so much
You're so welcome!
Abyssal armour
Vulgrum... Tin foil hat theory. But maybe he is the Creator. By that I mean the Creator takes the form of vulgrum to travel freely amoung the demons and Earth. Also being able to interact with the horsemen
isn't fury taller than strife?
Doesn't look like it in DS3
@@the_dropbear4392 im not talking about strife's normal form
@@sakura368 then what are you talking about
@@the_dropbear4392 his big boi form
@@Pun291 we haven't seen it
Vulgrim ftw
AbYsSaL aRmOr pLeAsE
Is Strife... Dead? I feel like that could be a definitive possibility.
Wouldn't matter he would just be resurrected as soon as the seven seals are broken
As of yet each horseman has died at the end of his game.
But we can basically 100% confirm at least Death is coming back. The Prince of Demons can see the future, and said "I'll see you again" before War died without seeing him again.
That is our running theory, that Strife's game (presumably ending in his death) takes place before the rest of the games, meaning that in Darksiders 1, 2, and 3 he'd be dead. But that's just our theory.
Also yes, at the end of Darksiders 2 it straight up tells us that Death will rise again, presumably meaning all of the horsemen (Who we see being summoned at the end of Darksiders 1) will also rise from their graves should they die.
Do you think that all 4 Horsemen will end up dead?
'I might be late. but just discovered yalls vids. and i love them. however if im being honest every time you use the word "clip" when talking about the fire arms drives me up the wall.
I am pretty sure Strife is dead....
Six Eight Toast Maybe but it doesn’t really matter. When all 7 seals are broken all 4 Horsemen will ride, if dead they are resurrected
Six Eight Toast wouldn't surprise me strife is a cocky smart ass warrior
He's probably a total asshole.
He gave his gun to the Smith's for repair and didn't get them back
Mag not clip
Our bad, we've had several people inform us that we're not up on our firearm lingo, ;p
awesome
It's mag,not CLIP,Mag
It didn't occur to us to look into gun terminology before making this video, but from what we can find it looks like you are indeed correct, our bad.
So its not judt a whimp wow... spoilers
Play ds3 and you'll know why the makers have strifes pistols!
Well we don't know yet as he still has them at the end, maybe he found some better guns and gave his current ones to the makers
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Thanks for the awesome Darksiders lore videos btw, that story is well beyond comprehendable without any additional help :D
You're welcome. Glad we could help, we love providing assistance in the wide wide expanse of other peoples brain children.
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