Helicopter or Tow Rope to Get A Dirt Bike Out? 5 Miles of Hell Trail - Part 3
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ม.ค. 2020
- What would you do with a broken bike some of the most rugged terrain around? You are many miles from any roads and are in the middle of nowhere. This is part 3 of the Five Miles of Hell Trail in Utah. If we’d been much further down the trail, I might have needed a helicopter to get this thing out.
I learned a valuable lesson in all of this about fuses. Hopefully it can help someone else out too.
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New title, “Why I Had to Buy My Friend a Clutch.”
His clutch was totally fine. Still going strong.
@@DirtBikeChannel Ah, but you toasted 1/2 of it.
Thats why u cant beat a carb with kickstart...
same thought here haha technology is great until it isn't!
CRACKED FUSE for sure,, I'm a diesel tech i see this all the time on freightliner M2 and cascadia. They are mounted on the fenders and bounces around, make sure ur fuse box is not loose or it will keep happening, or try to put a piece of foam in the fuse cover to apply slight down pressure on to the fuses to help withstand vibrations
man that is such a damn good idea thanks
Imagine spending over 10k on a new KTM just to get stranded in the worst place possible
I don't have to imagine anymore. Took me 10 years, but it happened finally.
No need to worry about electronic troubles until the brief warranty expires.
Love my perfectly tuned carburetor hahaha.
Lectron carb runs great at all altitudes. Why mess with so many additional points of failures if you can get the same pefromance out of a carb
The TPI is actually pretty dope.
Anyone who has been doing this sport for any length of time has probaly had a similiar experience. However your experience is exactly why I decided to buy a 18 Husky TE300. It comes with carb and kickstart. Just saying manufactures listen to your customers. Keep it simple but unfortunately EPA is dictating how manufactures have to build bikes.
Scot Geller, I purchased the same bike for the same reasons. Gotta love the simplicity of a carbureted 2-stroke!
Cant believe nobody thought about changing the fuse anyway especially when you're out in the middle of nowhere with no multimeter.
It might or might not have helped, if it blew once it would likely blow again. (Pinched some wires together in a fall maybe?)
Although even in that case with a good handful of fuses you could probably get back to the truck.
Listen to his pod cast on this it’ll make sense
Damn Bro, that sucks. Thanks for sharing, it give us a heads up to plug and play with the spare fuses instead of just a visual check. Thank God you were riding with someone else instead of solo.
Yeah, that is the hope. Plug spares in to check rather than visual inspection. I'd have walked back to the truck if I was alone.
Good job on this Kyle. I've done the same visual onl,y checks myself on fuses. Lesson learned! Thanks a ton.
Really glad I went with my '19 YZ250X over a '19 250 TPI. Saved several thousand dollars and have over 100 hours with no issues. I'll kick it all day if it means avoiding stuff like this!
That's a good lesson, thanks for sharing.
LOL! Dude we have all been there. Thanks for having the balls to admit it. So fun cause we can relate.
Good lesson for everyone 👍👍
I carry a power lead with quick clips and have got a friend out trouble by powering the pump direct from the battery. His ecu connection had a pin corroded and had snapped. The efi light gave the fault code to help diagnose 👍
There is a much better way to tow a bike. (The bike being towed) Put the tow strap in the center of the handle bars, wrap it around once, then put the end of the strap between your hand and hand grip, hold it tight with your hand. If you have a problem just release the end of the strap and it pulls out. There are 4 escape routes on the FMOH only 3 of them are marked clearly. Luckily there is an escape route just after the Crux. The Crux seems to be hard on both the rider and the bike that is why the the escape is at the top of the hill. By the way the "Crux" was originally called the "Wall"
I've towed that way too. I prefer this method.
Holy fuse from hell!!
I pack tools, but I dont haul a multi meter ever.
EFI wont ever go away, we will just get better at mitigating the risk.
Good job on you and your crew solving the problem and getting the bike out!
Thanks for the heads up as I have the same bike !
I think people need to realize that KTM has been forced into fuel injection for two-strokes because of the European emission standards for on road vehicles (many European countries permit two-stroke motorcycles to be licensed for street use). They didn't go to fuel injection for the American market. I think they deserve a lot of credit for keeping the two-stroke alive. They have certainly done a lot more than Yamaha has with regard to marketing two-strokes throughout Europe and the U.S., over the last decade or so. If you think they are expensive (they are, of course), it's the price that must be paid to meet government mandates. KTM has to spend big bucks to develop, test and market advanced technology. The cost is passed on to the consumer. Let's show some gratitude instead of contempt folks!
Very thankful for you sharing this. It will certainly cross another rider's mind if the same thing happens.
I think it would be worthwhile to measure the current drawn by your fuel pump (or ECU i can't remember which fuse you said it was) and compare that to the current drawn by Tyler's bike. I wouldn't start carrying a multitester in my kit, but you could build a tiny LED-resistor circuit to put in series with fuse you want to test and use your battery for the power supply. I've been an electronics engineer for 22 years and your dad's right, sometimes fuses "just blow", but more often, there is a reason for the failure -- in this case your fuel pump might be drawing slightly more current than it should (which is why it would be interesting to measure) and the fuse might have been on the lower side of it's tolerance.
Thank goodness you had your buddies to help you out of there; and I think I'll be ordering a tow strap now! Awesome video series!
Edit: I don't see the tow strap on your web site.
Out of the years of watching this is my new favorite...
Oh man, I had my clutch go out at China Wall in Glamis and we had to tow it back through the deep sand. What a nightmare. Come to find out it was just my Rekluse clutch out of adjustment and I could have fixed it quickly on the spot. Doh!
ouch!
😆 Lesson learned the hard way on checking fuses. Been there myself. I have seen fuses that were not blown but corroded or a burnt coating on one of the blades.
Would be awesome if they could figure out how to make a simple 2 stroke that didn't need a fuel pump
yeah
Mine doesn't have fuel pump
It’s called a YZ250x, that’s why they haven’t changed things. It works. If it’s not broke.......Don’t fix it. Went from KTM and would never go back.
Rob McCauley how you liking your 250x ? Bought one new ‘20 back in September only about 7 hours on it.loving it so far , but rich so gotta jet for that when weather warms up .
Not sure if this is sarcasm, bit there is an experimental technology out there called "carburetors". Mixed air and fuel mechanically without the need for computers!
good lesson just bought a 2019 xcw because I am more comfortable with old fashion carb when you are in the middle of no where
A tugger strap on the front forks makes it way better for towing as it keeps rope off ground and away from front wheel pulls even and attach to seat mounting on towing bike works great and not such a struggle great on fuses Kyle as your dad said sometimes you just cannot see if it blowen
I've hooked to the forks too. I prefer this method.
Depending on the terrain and tow vehicle, towing on the forks can get the handlebars out of your control and often causes the front end to dive. I've done both and prefer the peg method
Quinn Warman terrain and overall control of the handle bars is a negative of that method, but I would probably have done it on the bar, once it got tighter and caught
I use a rope, and wrap the rope around the centre(or as close as) of the bars twice. Hold the end of the rope with your clutch hand.
When you need to, let go of the rope!
No pulling you over, much safer.
Oh, and yes a tug strap is great too. I hook to the rear tug strap of my bike - handlebars of the dead bike. 👍👍
I towed a bike out of the sand dunes and frankly, I still don't know how to tow
That trail looks awesome, I’m doing a road trip to southern Utah in April and this is on my list of places to ride
Absolutely mind boggling video. "we've got spare fuses but instead of plugging them in I prefer to waste an entire day"s riding & burn up my buddy's clutch." Wow. Just ****ing wow. The helicopter ride would've just been icing on the cake & qualified this for Americas Funniest Home Videos.
good content , just a knowledge-tool I’ll have in the toolbox thanks señor, many people make it, you made it entertaining
Kyle, throw a mini 12v test light in your bag and you will find the issue immediately. You can also throw some short wire in your bag to temporarily hard wire the component straight to the battery in the event you don't have spare fuses.
On my carbed bikes I have been left stranded by contaminated fuel, fouled plugs (fouled 6 plugs on one ride), a float that cracked and kept the float needle from opening and frayed wiring.
Man I know that feeling. I once had to tow my Honda 250x out form a transmission bearing seal failure that got cough in the timing chain on a freshly rebuilt engine, luckily the engine died before any debris got cycle through the engine. We had to tow my bike it was about 1.5 to 2 mile out after a full day of riding. The simplest thing can sometimes end a day, but that's also why we ride in groups as well.
Oh boy. That is my worst fear, I've never actually rode with anyone else, so always solo. I broke down 40 miles from the road once, it also was an easy fix. Just needed a jump start. A disaster to get out. Thanks for the fuse knowledge. I would have thought the element would be obviously broken.
Done 5MOH 3 times, once I tipped over and tore my MCL. Medical issues and breakdowns can always be an issue, but I’ll do it again. Sh*t happens. Carry on.
I’ll stick with my 2019 YZ250. Old school with a carb and I didn’t spend 10k of pure disappointment
Agree...tpi, more parts, more things to fail, next new enduro will be a 250x
Bought a ‘20 in September loving it , just gotta lean it a bit and perfect .
@@RelentlessCo a YZ 250x?
cadwarrior sorry , yeah yz250x
@@RelentlessCo congrats! Nice bike! Yz are awesome, i have a yz 125 2015, solid reliable bike!
Every LIKE is someone thanking you for passing on this valuable lesson learned! 🙏 👍
So you swapped tanks and ECU's but not fuses?
Lol, hindsight and all. It's funny even in the video you said power was not getting to the fuel pump. So close.
Great footage, thanks for the video! Keep up the good work.
yeah, we knew there was no power to the pump, just didn't plug that spare fuse in there.
i got towed last week!!!! my fuel pump wire came off . i was able to diag it in the woods because i do carry a mini test light on me. highly recommend haveing a test light on you if you own a fuel injector bikes.
This is one advantage of my antique Suzuki lol. Buddy of mine gave me a 1980 ds250 two stroke and the only electric parts are the coil and the lights. Which the lights are long gone. Problem is I need an engine for it because my case is cracked on one side
The xcw is such a beautiful dirt bike, which I didn't think there was such a thing. I like how he removed the tail light. I like the headlight, but have been wanting to get rid of the tail.
Hmm, when we got to the top of the Crux, I decided to check my gas, to my surprise the fuel level was just above reserve, it was full when I left, turns out my float was to high, so me and another guy start out on the escape route, about a half mile out my throttle sticks open, I was lucky that didn't happen on 5moh, took slide out inspected nothing wrong, half mile later stuck throttle, took slide out, nothing wrong, this happened about 6 or 7 times, then the gas ran dry about 1/4 of the way back to the main parking area, put the bike down off the side of the jeep road out of site, hopped on the back of buddys bike the rest of the way, packed up my stuff, drove back to my bike, loaded it up and I was done for the weekend. Someday I'll go back and finish it.
So happy with my carb lol. Sorry for the pain man fuses but everyone eventually.
Being a mechanic for 25+ years some times it’s the sample thangs, fuse can be a easy thang to over look 👍🏽
yes
I learned something from this post (nothing to do with TPI though, LOL) I've never seen someone pull bike from foot peg to foot peg. That looks so much easier than subframe to triple tree. You can teach old dogs new tricks.
On a regular trail, it is super easy. I've done other methods and really like this one.
Dirt Bike Channel
Try having both bikes on the same side of the strap. It works best if the strap is on your right away from the front rotor of the towed bike.
Calm seas never made a good sailor .. :-)
These are the times You remember...
I did that run on a 2012 KX 450f. I had not ridden a bike since I was 16 and did it when I was 42. The old kawi did not disappoint but obviously I had some modifications done.
Riding a 2019 KTM 300XCW injected now.
that tow strap looks like it works , pretty good
If you could switch tanks across bikes should’ve taken off the bar pad and connected tow rope there so it doesn’t pull left or right! Hahah I had to pull a quad one time on my bike 😂
Had the exact same thing happen to a buddy with a 2019 ktm 300tpi wtih less than 10hrs on it. Had to push it back to a road and tow with a strap back to the truck in the dark. Ended up being the fuse for the fuel pump and there was spares on board.
Same thing happened to you!
@@DirtBikeChannel Ya he love tapped a tree and busted the plastic connectors behind the headlight. The wires must have touched and popped the fuse. Would crank and crank but not fire
Make a sticker "Check your fuses" and put it near the fuel pump!
Wow.....that looked extremely hard.
New title “How To Tow a Dirt Bike” 😂
I know right?
Dirt Bike Channel good stuff tho, i really enjoy your videos.
The beauty and reliability of everything electronically driven these days I guess.
As a 17 year old who races a 2017 beta 390 I figured out that the fuse was bad. My whole bike was fine but all of a sudden fuel pump was out, had a couple extra fuses in the air box/under seat. I found a solution which is turn if the on board navigator and haven’t had a problem since. Just know your bike before stuff like this happens. Nice ride and nice bikes. That trail looks pretty fun
HMMM I wonder if Vegas Romaniac got stuck... I may just have to switch to a yammi 4 stroke! You caught yourself, by saying you cannot get power to the fuel pump. ... note to self check fuse first!
Sheesh ..... now i gotta carry a multimeter and complete spare fuse pack. I ride alone too.
The best way to find out who your real friends are... break down at the crux of 5MOH and maybe look for unicorns?? probably a better chance to find unicorns than a true friend in that situation. You have good true friends...
They make fuses that light up if they go bad. Makes easy to find or call attention to it.
I know that spot (The Crux) well, the obstacle is challenging and made all the harder as the soft sand and big rocks run up to it is now chewed to Hell from all the traffic. Just getting through the approach to the Crux is not that easy, as your video shows. When I lead rides on 5MOH, my group always takes the bail out to the right and we lift the bikes over one little tricky section there. We love the light two strokes and curse the heavy 4 strokes in that spot. Your buddy Tyler is an awesome rider. I am super impressed how he waltzed straight up it - I am guessing he must be a good trials rider.
Hate to be "that guy" in the tired TPI vs. carb debate, but I intentionally bought a new '18 300 XC as I wanted a new 300 with a carb while I still had the choice. It has a stone simple Lectron and a Trail Tech fan and always runs great, no matter what kind of torture I put it through. I am glad to hear it was just a fuse though, lesson learned, if the fuel pump quits on a TPI try changing the fuse no matter what it looks like.
On my '10 Husaberg FE450, the original made in China fuel pumps would seize and then burn out if the gas in the tank was hot. Almost got stuck in a tough spot with the original pump, but letting it cool and then slapping both sides of the tank while cranking it vibrated the stuck pump enough to free it and got her spinning again! That experience was enough to make me demand the carb on my new 300 though. Still have the 450, still working great on a Ducati fuel pump I put in after that ride ;)
My experience with my 450 does make me wonder - why did the fuse blow on your TPI? Perhaps the extreme environment of 5MOH got the fuel in the tank hot, and the fuel pump partially stuck or dragged, which increased the load on the electrical system and popped the fuse? Fuses should not blow unless there is a reason. I lined the bottom of my 450's tank with reflective insulating material to keep the fuel from heating up and of course replaced the pump, have not had any problems since. Perhaps hot fuel and resulting fuel pump issues may be a thing for TPI. I don't know.
Edit - Darn it, every time I take a group to 5MOH, we wind up taking the bail out halfway through as at least one rider has had enough. Have ridden the south end 4x now, have never ridden the 2nd half. Was hoping to do some reconnaissance via your excellent videos!
Sorry but you guys can keep those TPI Bikes. Electronics have no place in the dirt and water environment. Old school reliability for me.
Just got into dirt bikes after never riding at age 33...needed something to keep up with the boy(6yrs) got myself a CRF230 and love it, love the passion of riding in your vids! Keep em coming. NZ represent
Wot part of NZ I live in blenheim
Invercargill
Can you do a video of checking the fuse
Definitely recommend installing tugger straps on forks and seat for the next fuse failure! 🤣🤣
Sad to hear: experienced riders butt getting kick by a little troubleshooting. 😊
You were so close: you tested your parts on the buddies bike, they are all good, then it has to be something simple: a blown fuse, a loose wire.
Somedays it's just not in the stars and miss the obvious.
Seems like a nice trail, hope I can try it one day.
Great video, bummer to find out about the fuse. But, the little detail that bothered me is the comment on the Beta kickstand. With over 100 hours of riding, mine has never fallen down. I know it has a smaller footprint, so I act accordingly. Flipside, my buddy on a KTM has had his bike fall multiple times. He just isnt careful.
Had the same situation happen to me with a faulty ground on my 350. Visually, it looked fine, so I didn't remove the ground strap and reattach. Could have saved me miles of pushing... Same lesson learned - visual checks aren't enough.
That is another good idea. Ground check.
Dirt Bike Channel Especially w the moisture we get in the PNW, it can be a frequent issue. KTM only grounds the battery through the alum subframe = recipe for corrosion & bad connections (even if it looks ok & feels tight). Doh. Still tired from all that pushing!
It happened to me on a kawi too, the fuse by eye was perfectly fine, I searched everything on the bike, then i finally decided to swap fuses for the hell of it. BOOM it was a CRACKED fuse, you really couldn't tell it was blown but at home I moved the pegs of the fuse and saw it was cracked (probably due to vibration). So now when I have an electrical issue, I replace and move around fuses FIRST.
So it's not just KTM :)
@@DirtBikeChannel 853 hours on my ktm 500 2013 (still on stock internals btw) hasnt had fuse isssues yet.The ktm wiring/cheap connectors on the other hand thats another story. Love the bike execpt that.
Pissed!!! He had the fix in his pocket nothing worse 😱
This is exactly why I jumped all over the '19 xc, last of the carbs. Figured it would still be cheaper, and lighter, than a 2020 TPI even if I had to replace the Mikuni carb for a Lectern or Smartcarb. Turned out the Mikuni works great with the JD kit, win all around. I'll give TPI a few years to sort itself out. For now TPI just looks like the worlds most complicated carburetor.
Looks like a good place for a set of Flexx Bars..
The only way to really check a fuse is the do a continuity test with a multi-meter. Out in the field you have to ask yourself, will I hurt something if I try "this." It's always worth trying to put in a new fuse. I hate that you didn't get to finish the trail... :(
Cheap $5 Harbor Freight pocket sized digital multimeter for every ride from now on. You could’ve checked for continuity on the fuse, replaced it, and been on your way in less than 10 minutes. People don’t think an electrical/electronics tool is necessary for the rider’s tool pack. They’re wrong. It would have saved your ride in this case...
Good thing you didn't try it on a 1973 Honda CB 175 like the plaque on the trail to the south says "Helicopter lifts are expensive".
According to the story the closest one he could find came out of New Mexico.
And a shout out to all the people that walk the trails with a bucket of paint and a brush, they ask all of us to avoid
riding on the paint to help it last longer....
On a positive note, next time you will swap the fuses in. Lol Lesson learned.
Exactly!
On my 18 300exc , the earth from the battery to the subframe is toast and caused all sorts of problems
Although when you look at it, it looks fine, its just broken under the heatshrink
I always worry about stuff like this in hard to get to areas. "...sure hope I don't break the bike in this canyon" lol. One good thing to carry is wire. It doesn't take up space on the bike or in your pack. 2 4ft pieces of 14/12 gives you the leeway to bypass problematic wiring harnesses. Sometimes its just useful for testing stuff without tracing all kinds of wires.
Really glad I got a 2019 300 XC with a lectron
Just saw this video and funny thing, the Beta didn't have any electrical issues because they come carbureted! I'd take that kickstand issue any day over EFI. Rolling with the 2022 Beta 300r RE and love this thing. KTM's a great bikes but the Beta with IRC JX8, KYB forks and Smart Carb, sky's the limit baby.
Buy a TPI they said, its the future!!!! Ill stick to my reliable carb thanks.
I just got a 2020 xc, no problems yet but the anxiety is killing me. I already miss my 2014 that went 200 hours without a worry.
Bryan Hadley I’m sure you’ll be fine, bring a battery booster with you and extra fuses. Maybe something to fix broken wires. Braap on!
Sometimes that's how you learn...
Exactly what I bought an 18....runs just as good no electrical crap
Sucks. Wonder why it blew the 2nd start up after it was tipped over. Did it think it got too hot since it wasn't submerged for a second or something? We need to start carrying a test light
No clue why it blew the fuse. The bike wasn't hot.
KTM "ready to recover"
More like keeps taking money
This is why I went with the 2019 with a lectron carb rather then TPI
99% of the time fuses blow for reason. I'd try and put that circuit thru an amp meter to get an idea how close to max you're getting.
Bummer that happened. Sadly, I've been towed and had to tow. I've never towed foot foot peg to foot peg though.
Kyle, Can you please educate me a bit on the fuses? Do I need to pack extras or are there extras on board? New 2020 TPI Rider!
Just bought a 23' XCW 300. What spare parts do you guys ride with? Must haves?
How do you mount the camera to your helmet?
Do you carry your drone in your pack? And if so, do you have a more protective bag/case for it?
i'll keep my carbed cr 250 thank u,
As soon as you said no power to the fuel pump i tout fuse🧐
What drone does he have
Fuses are easy to check pull the fuse out, can easily see if the the connection is broken, had one blow on my fan just last week. Pulled the fuse could easily see it was blown put in a new one
Sometimes they crack and look completely fine.
Hard to see in the micro-fuses sometimes. Especially the dark colored ones.
Kyle. I have a trivia question about FM of H: Do you know who laid it out and when, and on what bike?
In my 40 years of riding dirt bikes not once has any of my carbureted bikes left me stranded,
Has anyone helicopter their bike out? And what was the cost? I was on a construction site where a helicopter was being used the type you’d see on TV show MASH That was $1200.00 an hour. Wasn’t big enough so they used a Huey Vietnam type that was $1800.00 an hour. Hope if you need one your super rich
R J G I’m curious as well
Pain lmfao I couldn’t imagine it being cheap
Let’s see a pic of that fuse pls
What camera mount are you using Kyle? Didn't see it in the affiliate links.
This was a proshotcam.com mount
Sorry man that sucks... I've never had that problem where a fuse was bad and looked good, but I have swapped fuses when they looked good but I was not getting power..
Cracked fuse then?
@@trombolio no and still didn't get power... this was on my old truck thought the master switch was starting to separate... so easy fix just in general tracking electrical problems can be hard.... I was just trying to say I I already have the habit of swapping fuses even when they look good and I'm still not getting power.