3:48 thats because when Thomas arrived on sodor in 1915 he had all the problems the e2s had such as small coal bunker, long wheel base, small side tanks and so on, so when he arrived sir topham hat sent him to crovans gate to be rebuilt and modified into a more reliable engine, so he's basically a more upgraded version of an e2.
In my head canon, I view Thomas as a Later built Shortened E2 first of its kind built in the early 20s (making him canonically young) and there would’ve been plans to make multiple shortened E2s to replace the Standard E2 class but they cancelled the line to focus on the E4s, making Thomas a one of a kind.
While I personally try to stick to the canon that he was built in 1915 and have my own theory for it, I do like yours a whole lot better, since it makes him a younger engine than Edward, Gordon and Henry.
In my HC, Thomas is an Entirely new Class built by Sir Hardius Hatt IV (He is Sir Bertram Topham Hatt’s Cousin who live in the South). It was basically a fusion of LBSCR E2 and Smaller 0-6-0T engine in the whole country like Terriers or FR G5. The first one (Thomas) was succesfully built in 1923. He was then tested by his Mentor Boxhill in Brighton Works. The other member was soon built, they were (Cringe Warning) Stuart, Puffing Billy, and 2005
Here's my headcanon: I would say that Thomas is an E2 who is definitely still built in 1915, but he is experimentally built alongside 105. He has the same design, technical specifications, and other things as official members of the E2s such as 105 and 106. When he goes to Sodor, Thomas was sent to Crovan's Gate works to be heavily modified to Sir Topham Hatt's specifications, this is mainly because he isn't a fan of Thomas' performance, so he got modified with a larger coal and water capacity. For Thomas' smaller overall size and back running board design, I am not too sure about it, but maybe Crovan's gates works modified these elements of Thomas' design as well and still keeping adequate coal and water capacity.
Thomas's front running board change after crashing into the stationmaster's house still applies to my head-canon, so he gains extra coal and water capacity.
This is what I think: Thomas was a prototype for a shorter e2 that was built during 1915, Thomas was quickly built and workers forgot to make his running board even, due to that the LBSC didn't want to keep Thomas and saw Thomas as too small. Thomas was stored at a siding until something could be done to him, some worker wanted to give Thomas a second chance so he toke Thomas hoping someone would except him.
I think Thomas would probably be 105 or 106 in the RWS although in my Au he's an experimental variant of the e2's although he closely resembles the real life ones not being short like the illustrations
I was thinking about Thomas being a fictional add on too!! But for me, I’ve decided to have Thomas be the same length as a standard e2 (since in the original print, he more closely resembled that; and also based on the story triple header). I’d say he’d probably be experimental being built with bigger wheels, but the builders might’ve messed up and made his running board uneven (idk just go with it 🤷🏾♂️)
I'm glad to be of service again! Although I was talking about a fictional add-on member, or two as I have Timothy also be one, but you could say experimental. I mean almost all of the engines on Sodor are some type of experimental engines. Again, thank you for having me on like in the Gordon video.
1:55 That thing about the bunker being too small... yeah, it's not the bunker as it's a perfect size. At 2.5tons, this is the same capacity as the older E4 class 0-6-2T and 0.25tons greater than what a Fowler 3F "Jinty" can hold. The real problem was the boiler that came from the I2 class 4-4-2Ts. These (along with the I1s before them) were infamous for poor steaming which led to them being nicknamed by crews as "wankers".
Personally in my AU he is 106 and was meant to go to sodor in 1915 but due to the war he had to stay in a shunting yard to help out, he wasn't able to explore or gain experience which is how i explain he's immature even though he's older then Gordon (even though it's not by much) he arrived on the island around Dec 1918/Jan 1919 and was confined to Tidmouth as the shunting pilot untill he could have a new boiler to stop burning through coal and water and have his pistons and wheels modified to have better alignment to maie him a much smooth rider but he was still confined to the yard to trial his new modifications which is why he is impatient and the way he is in the story But that's all I'm telling for now as I don't want to spoil too much
I know, in my headcanon, Thomas was built as the ninth E2 prototype after Timothy (No. 0) and Reginald (TK&ER No. 5/Peel Godred Aluminium Works No. 1) but with extended side tanks unlike the first five of them who have short side tanks. He also wore the same number as the real 108 before being renumbered 1 during his repaint to blue. He was built in Brighton Works on the 12th of May, 1915 but after spending a few weeks of his trials around Southampton Docks and between Victoria and London Bridge Stations, he was originally going to be shipped to Netherlands to help out with the construction work of the bakery and the meat factory, but was mistakenly shipped to France together with a mysterious L&YR tender engine named James and some other engines, including his siblings as a result of a wartime mixup. At some point after the Great War, he was shipped back to Brighton Works for an overhaul with spare parts used on GNR J23s, such as new boiler tubes, a new pair of bigger driving wheels, a slightly elongated bunker and a straightened rear end (due to his original one being blown up in an explosion while pulling the ammunitions train with James), and an effective push-pull equipment, which helped him better, especially while shunting coaches and trucks, and as a result, his body length was extended from 33ft 3in (10.13 m) to 33ft 4in (10.16 m). One day in 1920, while James was originally supposed to help out with the construction of the NWR, especially the Ffarquhar Brach Line, but he felt ill during the day before being sent there, so Thomas decided to leave for Sodor by ship during this same day after having heard about the death of his oldest brother, Timothy (who was destroyed by plunging into the ravine below a year prior). During the construction of the Ffarquhar Branch Line, a coffee pot with the number 1 named Glynn taught him how to handle trucks carefully, and he succeeded in doing well. Sometime after the completion of the Ffarquhar Branch Line, he did the same thing to the Peel Godred Branch Line, as well as helping out with the construction of Kirk Ronan Station. Also, in late 1922, he tried to pull Henry out of the tunnel, while Eagle tried to push at the rear end of the train, but ended up failing too, as Henry and the coaches were too heavy for them to move. Sometime after the 1923 railway grouping, he was repainted in a new coat of blue with red stripes and the number 1 on his side tanks. Shortly after being repainted, he met two coaches named Annabelle (Annie) and Clarabelle (Clarabel), who used to be Edward's coaches until the day when Timothy was destroyed in an accident after plunging into the ravine below, which ended up with them being badly wrecked. After he returned from the works, he continued his duties in the big station. After James finally made his way to Sodor in 1924, he was involved in a few certain events, including playing tricks at an LNER A0 Pacific named Gordon until being dragged during the express run, helping Henry to pull the train when Henry felt ill and ended with him helping out with Edward's trucks. Following these incidents, the Fat Director (Sir Bertram Topham Hatt) had him assigned to work at Wellsworth with Edward, who taught him how to shunt trucks and coaches (like how Glynn did the same thing to him a few years back), while James' older brother, Eagle was sent to work at the big station in Vicarstown until one day while Thomas was shunting as Edward stopped by with his stopping passenger train bound to Vicarstown, James, who had just finished banking trains up to the hill, rushed by with some trucks (who broke free from a big red engine that came by the title of Alled Greedy). This caused Thomas to catch up with him as the wooden brake blocks that were fitted on his faulty brakes began to burn down. The chase ended with James crashing through the fence, and into the field below. Thus, Thomas decided to bring the breakdown train, named Judy and Jerome after the stationmaster called him to do so. This finally proved him useful after dealing with the unhurt trucks and helping James back home, and he was subsequently allowed to work on the Ffarquhar Branch Line with Annie and Clarabel and the rest is history but I won't tell you anymore, or I shall spoil the next story............
The E2s bunkers weren’t small, they had the same capacity as the E3’s and E4’s , plus could hold 0.25 tons MORE than the Jinty’s bunkers , the problem wasn’t a small bunker, but a coal hungry boiler And the poor steaming was also not entirely true , the E2s could still keep a good head of steam whilst shunting,
In my headcanon Thomas is 105, I feel like 106 was built a bit too late in the year. The Fat Controller originally ordered a withdrawn E1, but 105 was sent instead. After releasing this mix-up, 105 was written off as lost on war service and sold to the NWR in 1916. A replacement 105 was built around 1917. In 1920, Thomas was rebuilt at Crovan's Gate to his current specifications to fit on the NWR's tight turns. But I quite like your theory too, a non-standard member of the class would be annoying for the railway, so they'd want to get rid of it.
In my Canon au, Thomas was E2 number 110 (yes, I'm aware that the E2s went from 100-109. This is an inside joke) and worked until 1926. During that year, he was rebuilt and repainted into the colors he had when he 1st came to Sodor in The Adventure Begins, which was, in my au, 1932.
There's a video about how to make the E2s better that you should look up. The problem with the E2s was that their *_boiler_* was one of the worst Southern had, so if the boiler was swapped, then you'd get an E2 that could keep up with the Jinties.
@@xavierjuno4572 the Jinties and other contemporary shunters were of similar size, so not really. If anything, Thomas was a prototype for a planned upgrade of the E2s to fix most of the problems.
I headcanon that Thomas is a prototype for the E2 class that is smaller in size, hence why he’s portrayed in a smaller size than the actual E2s in the illustrations
@@ScorchZaneTrains Good point. Maybe when they first came up with the idea of giving the E2s extended side tanks, they decided to test that idea by modifying one of their existing E2s, and Thomas ended up being chosen for this test
To be honest i always seen Thomas as this when he was build back in 1915. He was supposed to be a J50 but the drawings with the engines builds were made inaccurate to their original designs and so, Thomas's drawings were also one of those mistakes drawings and so he was build an experimental E2 105. But with an look of and some parts from the J50 in Thomas and so, when he was sold to NWR/Island of sodor, he got a overhaul and this is the thing that why Thomas didn't have the problems like the E2's had. So, the problems that the E2's had were solved and also he got some parts from an tender engines and some from an tank engines so pretty that's makes Thomas is an E2 with an look of an J50 while kinda being a little, a flaw design.
In my AU headcanon, Thomas was a one off constructed for the E&K in 1905. He would later serve as the prototype for the LB&SCR E2s, which later lead to him being designated as an NWR E2. While the LBSCR Engines were terrible, Thomas was very successful, which is what lead to him being heavily referred to as a Really Useful Engine.
@@xavierjuno4572 No I don't think those would be E2s at that point, those would be E2x's, similar to the E1x in that it's a one off that was an experiment.
In my headcanon Thomas was built in 1915 as a J50 not an E2. He either suffered from mechanical problems like henry or was badly damaged in an accident after coming to the railway and before the events of the first book in 1923. He was rebuilt at crovans gate giving him the side tanks and front board of an E2.
In my headcannon I like to imagine Thomas as the E2 version of the E1x, Basically a one off with some parts from the E2s. He was built in 1930 by the Southern Railway for push pull trains, but the experiment didn't go well at all and he's sent to some backwater, namely, Sodor. Though in the RWS canon, I imagine he's probably a random E2, nothing really special to him.
In my headcanon, Thomas is part of his own class with 2 brothers. They are still E2s but with some modifications, such as the extended sidetanks and splashers( This was pre-1915). In 1915, Thomas got traumatized after finding out about what the cargo he was delivering was and what he was working for(WW1 weapons) and escaped to Sodor where he met Edward, but later left a few years later. He worked with Reginald and Timothy near the Furness Railway on loan, until he was officially purchased by the NWR a few months before Gordon came(Thomas’s dumbass self couldn’t remember Edward until Edward reintroduced himself💀). And the rest is history.
My ideal Thomas is a mix between a FR g5 and LBSCR E2, the bunker from a E2, the cab from a G5, the side tanks from an E2, The wheels and chassis from a G5, the smoke box (black part in the front) is from a G5 as well, the smoke box door from a E2, he was built in 1923, and that’s my ideal Thomas, a mix of something that’s perfect for thomas
This should be very intresting. In my AU, Thomas was built in Brighton Railway Works. He is one of the five new E2 class with extended side tanks for the London, Brighton, and South Coast Railway (LB&SCR) to replace the worn-out E1 class to do heavier shunting and short-distance freight duties, however Thomas was an experimental engine meaning he can’t age, like Peter Pan. He was number LBSC E2 No.107, but that would soon change the following year in 1916. One day, a careless driver backed Thomas into a brickwall and damaged Thomas’s coal bunker. Thomas was then rebuilt with a flat running board in the coal bunker and made him a smaller E2 tank engine and he was repainted in green with white lining and was renumbered LBSC No. 70. Then one day in the fall of 1923 The LB&SCR controller had told Thomas that will be sent to a railway called the North Western Railway on the Island of Sodor. He arrived to Sodor where he met Edward, an Furness Railway K2, Sarah and James, two experimental L&YR Class 28 moguls, Henry an GNR/LNER atlantic engine, Charles and Jonathan/87546, two GNR K2 tender engines, Simon and Clarence/98462, GNR K2 tender engines and Gordon, an GNR/LNER A1/A0 prototype. He was aqssigned to work as a station pilot at Vicarstown Station. On his first day however, he got some trucks derailed by accident and placed coaches on the wrong platform, Edward, Sarah and Charles did their best to help Thomas the best way they could. During his time as station pilot in 1924, Thomas grew bored and decided to play tricks on the big engines, especially Gordon. The little tank engine would sneak up quietly to the big engines while they weren’t looking and blow his whistle to give them a fright. Gordon was Thomas’s main target until Gordon decided to put Thomas in his place by dragging Thomas with him on his express. This plan worked and it ended both good and bad for Gordon. Good because Thomas stopped scaring him while he was napping and bad because he was placed on goods trains until he learned not to pull dangerous stunt like that with Thomas. The next week Thomas was telling James off for being rough with the coaches, but James didn’t listen and when Gordon saw that Thomas was telling off James, he butted in and said that James knew what he was doing and this made Thomas want to go out and see the world or the rest of the island in general. When Henry became ill Thomas was assigned to take Henry’s local passenger train, but he was too excited to listen and went off after what he thought he heard was the guard’s whistle and went a bit far as the signal box near the exit of the station. When Thomas realized his mistake he went back and collected the passengers with Henry’s coaches this time. Thomas teased by Henry, Gordon and James, but mostly Henry, but soon stopped after Simon told Henry about his tunnel incident and Gordon about him getting stuck on the hill and told James off for being a rough engine and told them that at least Thomas gave the passengers a better run than James had. Even though Thomas was glad that Simon was watching out for him along with Edward, Sarah and Charles, he still wanted to get out of the station yards and see Sodor. After the incident with the trucks, Topham assign Thomas to work at Wellsworth to have Edward teach him on how to handle trucks. One day in 1925, Thomas was shunting at Wellsworth when James passed Wellsworth on a runaway and can’t stop thanks to his wooden brakes catching on fire. Thomas tried to stop James from crashing but failed and Thomas decided to get the breakdown train. Thomas acted with bravery prove himself useful at last. Topham praised Thomas for the right course of action and awarded him his own branch line and a new coat of paint. Thomas whistles in joy after hearing this news. Thomas was soon repainted in North Western Railway blue with red lining, received his North Western Railway logos on his coal bunker sides and his iconic number one painted on his side tanks and the rest is history. I hope you like my AU of Thomas.
3:53 I don't mean to sound rude but the E2's coal and water capacity was not the main problem as to why they were so hungry as Nictrain123 found out the amount of coal they could carry was actually bigger than a LMS 3F Jinty. The main problem he found out was the boiler as it was eating up more fuel than necessary and had similar problem with the I2 Class which the E2 shared their boilers with. ( Here's the video if you wanna know more: th-cam.com/video/XBdNyKNzRRU/w-d-xo.html )
Thomas is number 110 (numbers that i made myself) built in 1917 and the reason why he has a flat back is because he crashed into the station masters house backwards his back slope was damaged so it was replaced with a flat one
In my headcanon, he was an E4-E2 hybrid created in 1918. He would have an E4 boiler shortened down to fit the E2 body. The wheelbase would be shortened down, given that the E2s weren't good at shunting. The bunkers for the E4 would be given to the E2-4s because the E2's boilers burned the coal too much and that would result in very bad fuel efficiency. They would also have modified E4 Water tanks because the E2s had trouble with water and coal.
I personally think that Thomas is E2 no. 105, with heavy modifications made at Crovansgate to fix his problems. I personally think that he never had his front or rear running board straightend out, because it just seems like a silly thing to do to me. Here is a video of all the mods that Thomas likely recived (The comments also have some good ones too) th-cam.com/video/XBdNyKNzRRU/w-d-xo.html
In my AU he is 105, the reason hes shorter is because he survived a bomb which blown up his cab and multiple parts and since the LBSCR had a crisis he was bulit shorter and he was rebulit in secret hence the lost in war state During 1939 painted black and was overhauled heavily and more enough because of Crovans gate being so advanced
I personally see Thomas as an experimental variant of the E2 built in 1914 to improve their versatility by making him smaller than the rest of the class. This experiment was mainly successful, however, Thomas still suffered from the swaying problem that the E2’s had when traveling at top speed. As he was an experimental design, he was given the number 70, as Billington thought it was a lucky number. A clerical error would send Thomas to the NWR and after this issue was discovered, the LBSCR quietly sold Thomas to the Northwestern for a small sum, probably eager to sweep the incident under the rug.
Actually when I was writing my own versions of Thomas is Origins I made him the prototype to the Billington e2's. but when he was built the railway felt he was too toy-like because of his smaller size and they wanted an engine that was bigger than Thomas. In 1915 he was sold to the northwestern railway and the production variation of the class was built. with all the faults included.
In my au, there was a prototype E2 built sometime between late 1912 and January 1913 to test the class's capabilities. The experiment proved to be unsuccessful and the E2 class was redesigned to be much smaller to be better engines. Resulting in the ten that were built being much smaller than they were in real life. The prototype was soon scrapped before #100 was built. (And no the prototype is not Timothy🙄) This allows for Thomas to have the same backstory as Awdry gave him. Thomas was #106 and didn't have name before arriving on Sodor, Sir Toppem Hatt 1 named him.
My guess would be that Thomas was originally 105 and was sent to Sodor by mistake by the LB&SCR's deputy controller during the 1910s due to a bad phone connection, meaning that the number of the engine who was supposed to go instead of Thomas couldn't be heard properly. Unfortunately, by the time the mistake was realised, World War I was intensifying and construction work for the NWR was already well underway, making Thomas' retrieval problematic at best. Consequently, the decision was made to write Thomas off as being "lost on war service" and sell him to the NWR in 1920 to cut their losses, which enabled Sir Topham Hatt I to provide Thomas with the modifications required to rectify the design flaws the E2s had, much to Thomas' delight as he had also formed a strong bond with Edward, who had mechanical issues of his own (i.e., he was initially a shy steamer).
My Update ideal take on thomas: He was built in 1921 when the NWR was formed and would be the prototype for the NWR Y1 Class, hes Contruction was only finished in 1924, 2 years after Gordon was built and Arrived on The NWR, he Would be Numbered 371 and Named 'Thomas topham hatt' Named after Sir topham hatt the 1st unborn child, he would be Station Pilot for Victorstown for 5 years until 1929 when NWR No. 375 James Topham hatt arrived he Rescued him and Got his Branch Line, he still runs on to this day
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 not only that but he also doesn’t suffer from any boiler issues like the E2s did. (Honestly I write Hiro of the rails as inaccurate to locomotive speeds)
I like to think Thomas is 105, but upon his accident with the station masters house in 1960, Thomas kept his front running board flat, but only the rear was lifted up, but the buffers remained at the same elevation as his front ones. While at Crovan’s gate too, his boiler and firebox were updated to better designs, I also like to think these along with his splashers were inspired by the LNER j50s, what Thomas was intended to be.
In the 1st publication of book 2 by Rev W Awdry, Thomas looked more like an E2. Rev W Awdry asked the Illustrator to make him look fictional. And in the end, Thomas looked less like an E2 so thats why he looks like that
Thomas In My Headcanon Is That Thomas Is Number 105 And Was Sent To Sodor On July 6th 1915 And When He Crashed Into The Stationmasters House He Was Sent To Croven's Gate Works To Get Fixed His Front Footplate Got Fixed And Got His Back Footplate A Flat Running Board With A Taller Buffer Bean To Fit For His Flat Running Board Which Is Why Britt Got The Idea Of His Iconic Design
I think Thomas could be an add-on member of the E2 Class, but there's something I don't get. It stated that Thomas arrived on Sodor in 1915, but he was sold to the NWR in 1920. Why did it take five years for Thomas to be sold to the NWR?!
Because the member of the class that was supposed to go was on loan, not meant to be sold. I’m guessing the loan expired in 1920, so that’s when the events of the LBS ER not wanting him back with it taken place.
It's also possible Thomas was never officially purchased by the railway until 1920, which makes sense given that the NWR wasn't even an official railway quite yet
The only thing we truly know is that thomas is an E2x (also a major reason for why the E2's and E2x's were a bit rubbish was their boiler's Since they weren't designed for the E2's)
I remember reading a comment that said he was an experimental engine built between 104 and 105, which ngl matches the timeline of the RWS almost quite well
Maybe during WWI Thomas suffered minor damage to his rear running board and since he was desperately needed for the finishing of the NWR he was given a flat rear running board
I don’t think him being a E2 is the case. In the late 40s Awdry just named a Hudswell Clarke’s no 1800 Thomas. Unless there’s a reason why. I think that Thomas was actually Hudswell Clarke built and Awdry wanted to make it official.
Only problem is that he’s already established Thomas is an E2 that’s an issue. Tho then he might’ve intended that to be Thomas, but the illustrators had other ideas.
I say thomas dud arrive as a e2 when he got to sodor but the fat man decided thomas would be severely modified to fit sodor standards after thomas was failing in coal and water capicty
4:07 the inacurate proportions of thomas is also in every engine, is not only in thomas is small in the ilustration conpared wiht his real base, edward is also shorter than the FR K2,james is shorter than a L&YR class 28 and i dare to say gordon and henry are problaby smaller than his basis, but whit duck 's firts appearance the proportions of the engines in the ilustrations are more acurate, at least the new ones
Well in my headcanon,Thomas was indeed numbered 105,but he was build in 1911 as the first E2 with extended side tanks,one year after Timothy (LBSC N100) was build and went to Sodor to work for the T,K,&,E,but while the other four E2 have trouble because of their tanks was because while being build,the men at Brighton Works,under Brilinton's leadership,found the solution to the E2 problem,despite his running board being different from the other E2.
@@ScorchZaneTrains well,you could say Thomas and Timothy were the early two versions of the E2s build,like how Gordon was for the L.N.E.R A1/A3,but with Timothy being the short side tanks E2 and Thomas the extended side tanks E2,the rest followed suit in 1913.
Awdry was all about the lore, so I think that it makes sense that Thomas is 105 or 106 in the RWS, but I like the theory about Thomas being a smaller experimental version of the E2.
I’ve been thinking during 1915 Thomas was the result of an E2 being built wrong by the workers at Brighton (too short in length and looking different) who thought of building one on their own time but messed up and thinking he’d be useless the LBSCR wanted to get rid of him and while had him shunt at the Station and Works with Boxhill (who was working there at the time) at Brighton for only three weeks in July 1915 ordered for him to sent him on a ship to the United States so he could be someone’s problem there (they just wanted him gone and didn’t care where he went really and just wanted him gone) but he was accidentally sent on a ship to Sodor. Of course the LBSC was wrong as even with his shorter length Thomas could pull trains better than his larger sized E2 siblings (as we’ve seen canonically) but they never tested him on any trains.
Ah yes...E2 Thomas. I'm sure Awdry liked Thomas as a CHARACTER, but there's still that theoretical possibility he may not have been a big fan of the E2 Thomas idea. The E2s are ENORMOUS, barely taller than A1s like Gordon iirc, and they're notoriously awful as steam engines...I mean yeah they were only good for shunting, (I feel like they were okay at it at best with the job) but even their large size make them mediocre at worst IMO when it comes to that. The E2s eventually got replaced by the USA Dock Tanks (which is the basis that the TV series' Rosie was based off and they too are pretty big) at one point but hell iirc, a main reason why the E2s were still in service all the way up to like the mid 60s or so wasn't even because they were good engines...it's just the Southern Railway was willing to work with the rolling stock they had as they focused on electrifying their lines. Had Awdry made Thomas completely realistic to an E2, then Thomas is probably the one that needed a rebuild more than Henry...but on the other hand because the E2s sucked, it seems Awdry intentionally made him less like an E2 (like given him that crash that gave him a new flatter running board) and probably in attempts to improve Thomas' performance. It's pretty interesting how Henry and Thomas were both initially supposed to have been different designs...Henry being an atlantic express engine and Thomas being shunting tank engine that resembles an LNER J50. (Notice how said "being shunting tank engine that resembles an LNER J50" rather than "being an LNER J50", Awdry nor his family never explicitly confirmed the OG design was a J50 per say and not to mention OG concept art Thomas isn't COMPLETELY accurate to the real life J50 design...it's just OG-concept-design!Thomas highly resembles an LNER J50 that fans end up getting the idea) On topic of J50!Thomas though, this would actually make his dynamic with Gordon (who later on is confirmed to be an GNR/LNER A1) feel even more personal...both engines technically being cousins that share the same roots, both are LNER/GNR steam engines built at Doncaster and are designed by the great Sir Nigel Gresley himself. Which is very funny because...by this point in time, most of the Gresley engine characters we got in the entire franchise are quite prideful, arrogant even, in some way or form. (Gordon being a pompous snooty elitist and Henry (remember his old shape is technically a failed design of Gresley) being selfish and self-entitled...had one line from Green Arrow when he felt someone was questioning his strength, Mallard seemed like the snooty type, and even in the TV series, we've got Spencer and even Flying Scotsman to another extent. Even Ryan the N2 tank engine was initially planned to be overconfident and dismissive) Don't get me wrong, this idea ISN'T necessary...but it's hilarious to think about how almost every engine designed by Sir Nigel Gresley is at least arrogant and high-opinionated by nature in some shape or form. Hell you might even argue that some fan characters like the infamous O2 Dudley or the absolutely-timeline-illegal B17 prototype Regaby are like twisted representations of this aspect. And if you wanna imagine Thomas as a J50, it makes this hilarious (optional) idea of the many Gresley engines being high-opinionated and egotistical fitting since Thomas is an cheeky egotistical little prat himself. Think about it, Thomas and Gordon being cousins that share the same roots...but in terms of hierachy are from completely different social statuses, (Thomas is just a lowly shunting tank engine whereas Gordon is the large premiere express tender engine) and it really makes them not get along with one another and have a hilarious personal ego clash.... XD But considering how those two formed an alliance after Gordon rescued Thomas out of the mine, it would make their alliance (if y'wanna take the J50!Thomas headcanon into account) even more heartwarming and personal since it's basically two egotistical rude cousins (that share the same roots and heritage but pretty much despise each other and are essentially from different social classes), after going through events that were the boiling points of their own egos that essentially put them in disgrace and brought them down to the bottom, learning to set their differences aside and finally get along...not just as friends, but as a genuine family too. That's sweet to think about actually. ^_^
My headcanon is that there are 2 105’s The first 105 is Thomas built in January of 1915 but after he was lost in war during the summer of that year the lbsc tried to cover up Thomas by making a second 105
So I guess here’s my take: Rear Bunker In WW1 during the German air raids Thomas was unfortunately hit by one of the bombs pretty much destroying almost his whole bunker, you get what I’m going with. Overall size: The LBSCR didn’t like the overall size of the E2s mainly because they were literal giants as tank engines and failed at every task they were going for, so to try fix the problems they would downsize one of the E2s that being 105 or Thomas, Thomas was hit like I mentioned. He would find his way onto Sodor where he was repaired with a more longer rear end, The LBSCR would end up selling Thomas away to NWR in secret, The LBSCR would never learn the positives and cons so they built another 105 class like all the others and continued that way.
In my head cannon thomas was a e2 add on but wasn't taken care of when he was built they didn't have all the parts like the running bored and with more problems coming from the public like small bunker and water tanks they just decided to make this one different and thats thomas
I have theory when Thomas is a short e2 liek a experiment it went well but got lost at the war so that Happend in 1915 When he crashed in the statin masters house he crashed going backwards the people at the works fricked up and forgot to slop the running bord at the back When engines 1-8 was going to London thomas crashed but his running bord isn’t he front was startend and he was lowed down and that’s it goodbye
Well Thomas having the flat running board makes him similar to another class of the LBSCR That class was the E1 class, now there was only one made ( n.o 89 ) and it was built in 1911 ( a few years before the E2’s were built ) and later re-numbered 89A in October of the same year, so that’s what ( I think ) is what awdry wanted Thomas to look like after his re-built WARNING : THIS IS JUST A THEORY, A RWS LORE THEORY
Admittedly the one issue I have with Thomas being an E2 is how old he would actually be. He'd be older than Gordon of all engines, and one of the oldest rather than youngest engines on the entire island, which just feels weird to me. However, I am starting to come to terms with the idea. So as for which E2 he could be, I'm personally in one of two corners: either 105, OR, a fictional original-build of 107. Hear me out on this last one. In the cancelled The Adventures of Thomas movie, Thomas was depicted as originally being LBSCR 107. Now at first, this wouldn't make any sense, since 107 was built in 1916 and Thomas arrived on Sodor in 1915. The way I got around this slight butterfly was through the idea that there were two E2s numbered 107, with one of them being built before the other. This one of course being Thomas. He could've been built a short while after 106 in order to fit the 1915 timeline. After he was declared lost in the war by the LBSCR and sent off to the NWR, a new 107 - the real-life one - was built in his place. The more I think aloud about this idea, the more I like it, so that's now just my personal head canon.
Thomas isn't an e2 in my head cannon bc hes short and stompy unlike the E2's which are f!#€ing huge in my head cannon thomas is a perfect G6 tank engine but if he was an E2 he would be a prototype, an addon member, a modified E2, or maybe they built him especially for sodor
I would state, if Awdry mentioned Gordon being a prototype to the A1 he would have mentioned Thomas being “experimental” or “a one off design”. He just says he was an E2, nothing fancy. Awdrys model 1st and 3rd I believe, was a modified (not shortened) E2 model.
Well, before the breakfast incident, I would say Thomas is based on a Arthur Keen class locomotive. It almost has the exact shape of Thomas, but that’s just my opinion
To explain, in my AU, the LBSCR in the 20's built a batch of 11 Extra E5's in the early 20's to be sold off to smaller railways in the UK as a sort of " Bonding Excersise " with other railways. Thomas was sold to the NWR and was first allocated to Vicarstown, where he did station piloting, short goods to places like Balahoo & Norramby, and short Locals to Norramby in conjunction with the LMS. He was then allocated to Tidmouth in 1926 to pilot there after the LMS allocated their own pilot at Vicarstown. The events of Thomas & Gordon play out in late 1926 when a late Wild Nor' Wester departed Tidmouth with Thomas still coupled, the train gets hauled at wellsworth where Thomas is uncoupled and runs home light engine. The rest of his book plays out pretty much the same.
i think thomas is 105 but the controller of the nwr noticed when he bought thomas he would derail on curves sometimes and his steam problem were a trouble so they made a blueprint of a rebuild for thomas and they rebuilt him and made him smaller so thats my au
I’ve theorised that Thomas was a fictional add-on member of the class too, especially after watching Railway Mania’s take on him. th-cam.com/video/sSfhglW_aFk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_fOuHVWpCta2LyZq It makes sense too when you realise that Topham wasn’t looking for an E2 and Thomas was written off as lost in the war by the LBSCR (likely because they didn’t care to get him back due to him being non-standard). Do you plan to make a video on Edward as well? I’m curious to know if he could be a fictional add-on too.
In my headcannon Thomas is the 2° and last prototype of the E2 0-6-0 class(the first being Timothy) and if you wanna know my Thomas born on 1918(because his a fictional tank engine of THE he E2) Characteristics (on my headcannon)Thomas is an E2 0-6-0 With out the extended water tanks Having the number 110(like @berkshire4607)painted with reddish brown color His speed from 1918 to 1960(non rebuilt): 60 km per hour. His speed(rebuilt with extend tanks and flat running bord): 52.5 km/h When he arrived at sodor at 1920 he meet Edward and after 1 year of work on the yards Thomas was repainted with blue and with the number 1(when thomas became the number one he was still having the non extended water tanks. Antyle on 1960 that crashing on the Farquhar house he was rebuilt with now the extended water tanks and the flat running board. And he doesn't struggles with water and coal like the real life E2 And if you think that Thomas before his rebuild dosent have his splashers, we'll he have it always from his year of born(21 april of 1918) to his rebuild on 1960 So that's my head cannon if you like it comment it ok.❤
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So what do you all think? I look forward to hearing what you all have to say.
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Hey, this might sound weird, but do you want to do a collab
@@JohnTheJinty on what exactly?
@@ScorchZaneTrains something similar to these types of videos
@@ScorchZaneTrains Maybe something to do with Percy or Edward
@@JohnTheJinty I see, thanks but I’m comfortable just working solo, thanks for the offer tho
Given the pieces I picked up from Sammy Clark's video, my gut and head are both telling me that Thomas is E2 number 105.
I mean up to you, since there’s not that much of a right to wrong answer.
Odd to find out that Salty is Thomas’s true dieselised counterpart
yet it’s also kinda dark ngl
That’s why he hates Salty so much, his hatred for him is actually justified.
@@BombyJoinedDaFight When didThomas hate Salty? Also, the hatred wouldn’t be justified since the class 07s didn’t make dieselization
I’m just imagining salty first meeting Thomas and gets scared when he realizes he’s an e2 and might hold a grudge against him
3:48 thats because when Thomas arrived on sodor in 1915 he had all the problems the e2s had such as small coal bunker, long wheel base, small side tanks and so on, so when he arrived sir topham hat sent him to crovans gate to be rebuilt and modified into a more reliable engine, so he's basically a more upgraded version of an e2.
In my head canon, I view Thomas as a Later built Shortened E2 first of its kind built in the early 20s (making him canonically young) and there would’ve been plans to make multiple shortened E2s to replace the Standard E2 class but they cancelled the line to focus on the E4s, making Thomas a one of a kind.
While I personally try to stick to the canon that he was built in 1915 and have my own theory for it, I do like yours a whole lot better, since it makes him a younger engine than Edward, Gordon and Henry.
@Kaidhicksii younger then gordon and Henry that is edward was built in 1896/97
In my HC, Thomas is an Entirely new Class built by Sir Hardius Hatt IV (He is Sir Bertram Topham Hatt’s Cousin who live in the South). It was basically a fusion of LBSCR E2 and Smaller 0-6-0T engine in the whole country like Terriers or FR G5. The first one (Thomas) was succesfully built in 1923. He was then tested by his Mentor Boxhill in Brighton Works. The other member was soon built, they were (Cringe Warning) Stuart, Puffing Billy, and 2005
Here's my headcanon:
I would say that Thomas is an E2 who is definitely still built in 1915, but he is experimentally built alongside 105. He has the same design, technical specifications, and other things as official members of the E2s such as 105 and 106.
When he goes to Sodor, Thomas was sent to Crovan's Gate works to be heavily modified to Sir Topham Hatt's specifications, this is mainly because he isn't a fan of Thomas' performance, so he got modified with a larger coal and water capacity.
For Thomas' smaller overall size and back running board design, I am not too sure about it, but maybe Crovan's gates works modified these elements of Thomas' design as well and still keeping adequate coal and water capacity.
Thomas's front running board change after crashing into the stationmaster's house still applies to my head-canon, so he gains extra coal and water capacity.
This is what I think:
Thomas was a prototype for a shorter e2 that was built during 1915, Thomas was quickly built and workers forgot to make his running board even, due to that the LBSC didn't want to keep Thomas and saw Thomas as too small. Thomas was stored at a siding until something could be done to him, some worker wanted to give Thomas a second chance so he toke Thomas hoping someone would except him.
*took
*Someone would buy him
What he was trying to say is accept @@railfandepotproductions
I think Thomas would probably be 105 or 106 in the RWS although in my Au he's an experimental variant of the e2's although he closely resembles the real life ones not being short like the illustrations
I was thinking about Thomas being a fictional add on too!! But for me, I’ve decided to have Thomas be the same length as a standard e2 (since in the original print, he more closely resembled that; and also based on the story triple header). I’d say he’d probably be experimental being built with bigger wheels, but the builders might’ve messed up and made his running board uneven (idk just go with it 🤷🏾♂️)
I'm glad to be of service again! Although I was talking about a fictional add-on member, or two as I have Timothy also be one, but you could say experimental.
I mean almost all of the engines on Sodor are some type of experimental engines.
Again, thank you for having me on like in the Gordon video.
1:55 That thing about the bunker being too small... yeah, it's not the bunker as it's a perfect size. At 2.5tons, this is the same capacity as the older E4 class 0-6-2T and 0.25tons greater than what a Fowler 3F "Jinty" can hold. The real problem was the boiler that came from the I2 class 4-4-2Ts. These (along with the I1s before them) were infamous for poor steaming which led to them being nicknamed by crews as "wankers".
Personally in my AU he is 106 and was meant to go to sodor in 1915 but due to the war he had to stay in a shunting yard to help out, he wasn't able to explore or gain experience which is how i explain he's immature even though he's older then Gordon (even though it's not by much) he arrived on the island around Dec 1918/Jan 1919 and was confined to Tidmouth as the shunting pilot untill he could have a new boiler to stop burning through coal and water and have his pistons and wheels modified to have better alignment to maie him a much smooth rider but he was still confined to the yard to trial his new modifications which is why he is impatient and the way he is in the story
But that's all I'm telling for now as I don't want to spoil too much
I know, in my headcanon, Thomas was built as the ninth E2 prototype after Timothy (No. 0) and Reginald (TK&ER No. 5/Peel Godred Aluminium Works No. 1) but with extended side tanks unlike the first five of them who have short side tanks. He also wore the same number as the real 108 before being renumbered 1 during his repaint to blue.
He was built in Brighton Works on the 12th of May, 1915 but after spending a few weeks of his trials around Southampton Docks and between Victoria and London Bridge Stations, he was originally going to be shipped to Netherlands to help out with the construction work of the bakery and the meat factory, but was mistakenly shipped to France together with a mysterious L&YR tender engine named James and some other engines, including his siblings as a result of a wartime mixup. At some point after the Great War, he was shipped back to Brighton Works for an overhaul with spare parts used on GNR J23s, such as new boiler tubes, a new pair of bigger driving wheels, a slightly elongated bunker and a straightened rear end (due to his original one being blown up in an explosion while pulling the ammunitions train with James), and an effective push-pull equipment, which helped him better, especially while shunting coaches and trucks, and as a result, his body length was extended from 33ft 3in (10.13 m) to 33ft 4in (10.16 m). One day in 1920, while James was originally supposed to help out with the construction of the NWR, especially the Ffarquhar Brach Line, but he felt ill during the day before being sent there, so Thomas decided to leave for Sodor by ship during this same day after having heard about the death of his oldest brother, Timothy (who was destroyed by plunging into the ravine below a year prior). During the construction of the Ffarquhar Branch Line, a coffee pot with the number 1 named Glynn taught him how to handle trucks carefully, and he succeeded in doing well. Sometime after the completion of the Ffarquhar Branch Line, he did the same thing to the Peel Godred Branch Line, as well as helping out with the construction of Kirk Ronan Station. Also, in late 1922, he tried to pull Henry out of the tunnel, while Eagle tried to push at the rear end of the train, but ended up failing too, as Henry and the coaches were too heavy for them to move. Sometime after the 1923 railway grouping, he was repainted in a new coat of blue with red stripes and the number 1 on his side tanks. Shortly after being repainted, he met two coaches named Annabelle (Annie) and Clarabelle (Clarabel), who used to be Edward's coaches until the day when Timothy was destroyed in an accident after plunging into the ravine below, which ended up with them being badly wrecked. After he returned from the works, he continued his duties in the big station. After James finally made his way to Sodor in 1924, he was involved in a few certain events, including playing tricks at an LNER A0 Pacific named Gordon until being dragged during the express run, helping Henry to pull the train when Henry felt ill and ended with him helping out with Edward's trucks. Following these incidents, the Fat Director (Sir Bertram Topham Hatt) had him assigned to work at Wellsworth with Edward, who taught him how to shunt trucks and coaches (like how Glynn did the same thing to him a few years back), while James' older brother, Eagle was sent to work at the big station in Vicarstown until one day while Thomas was shunting as Edward stopped by with his stopping passenger train bound to Vicarstown, James, who had just finished banking trains up to the hill, rushed by with some trucks (who broke free from a big red engine that came by the title of Alled Greedy). This caused Thomas to catch up with him as the wooden brake blocks that were fitted on his faulty brakes began to burn down. The chase ended with James crashing through the fence, and into the field below. Thus, Thomas decided to bring the breakdown train, named Judy and Jerome after the stationmaster called him to do so. This finally proved him useful after dealing with the unhurt trucks and helping James back home, and he was subsequently allowed to work on the Ffarquhar Branch Line with Annie and Clarabel and the rest is history but I won't tell you anymore, or I shall spoil the next story............
Not reading allat!!!
In my au,Thomas is a custom Build By the NWR.Taking Inspiration the FR G5 and The 1913 E2 design.
The E2s bunkers weren’t small, they had the same capacity as the E3’s and E4’s , plus could hold 0.25 tons MORE than the Jinty’s bunkers , the problem wasn’t a small bunker, but a coal hungry boiler
And the poor steaming was also not entirely true
, the E2s could still keep a good head of steam whilst shunting,
don’t look at me I didn’t really write this all out
In my headcanon Thomas is 105, I feel like 106 was built a bit too late in the year. The Fat Controller originally ordered a withdrawn E1, but 105 was sent instead. After releasing this mix-up, 105 was written off as lost on war service and sold to the NWR in 1916. A replacement 105 was built around 1917.
In 1920, Thomas was rebuilt at Crovan's Gate to his current specifications to fit on the NWR's tight turns.
But I quite like your theory too, a non-standard member of the class would be annoying for the railway, so they'd want to get rid of it.
In my Canon au, Thomas was E2 number 110 (yes, I'm aware that the E2s went from 100-109. This is an inside joke) and worked until 1926. During that year, he was rebuilt and repainted into the colors he had when he 1st came to Sodor in The Adventure Begins, which was, in my au, 1932.
There's a video about how to make the E2s better that you should look up. The problem with the E2s was that their *_boiler_* was one of the worst Southern had, so if the boiler was swapped, then you'd get an E2 that could keep up with the Jinties.
Wasn't their size also a continuous problem?
@@xavierjuno4572 the Jinties and other contemporary shunters were of similar size, so not really. If anything, Thomas was a prototype for a planned upgrade of the E2s to fix most of the problems.
@@TheTrueAdept Ya what I meant was is that their driving wheels were too long now that I remember
@@xavierjuno4572 the video I referenced had a solution to that, and the wheel base isn't that larger than the Jinties either.
@@TheTrueAdept huh so I guess it was poor construction then
I headcanon that Thomas is a prototype for the E2 class that is smaller in size, hence why he’s portrayed in a smaller size than the actual E2s in the illustrations
if he’s the prototype wouldn’t that mean he wouldn’t have the extended side tanks?
@@ScorchZaneTrains Good point. Maybe when they first came up with the idea of giving the E2s extended side tanks, they decided to test that idea by modifying one of their existing E2s, and Thomas ended up being chosen for this test
@@everythingproductions2004 a prototype to the 1915 e2s
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005I actually have the same idea as well
To be honest i always seen Thomas as this when he was build back in 1915. He was supposed to be a J50 but the drawings with the engines builds were made inaccurate to their original designs and so, Thomas's drawings were also one of those mistakes drawings and so he was build an experimental E2 105. But with an look of and some parts from the J50 in Thomas and so, when he was sold to NWR/Island of sodor, he got a overhaul and this is the thing that why Thomas didn't have the problems like the E2's had. So, the problems that the E2's had were solved and also he got some parts from an tender engines and some from an tank engines so pretty that's makes Thomas is an E2 with an look of an J50 while kinda being a little, a flaw design.
In my AU headcanon, Thomas was a one off constructed for the E&K in 1905. He would later serve as the prototype for the LB&SCR E2s, which later lead to him being designated as an NWR E2. While the LBSCR Engines were terrible, Thomas was very successful, which is what lead to him being heavily referred to as a Really Useful Engine.
I say it’s 105 because it was the first of the 2nd batch of e2s which had the rebuilt side tanks. Making him the prototype for the rest of the class.
Yk that would explain his smaller size, maybe the LBSC tried improving on the E2's design, but didn't have the budget to make the rest of them smaller
@@xavierjuno4572 No I don't think those would be E2s at that point, those would be E2x's, similar to the E1x in that it's a one off that was an experiment.
Another banger scorch keep up the amazing work
That’s what I thought I believe Thomas is an E2 prototype
In my headcanon Thomas was built in 1915 as a J50 not an E2. He either suffered from mechanical problems like henry or was badly damaged in an accident after coming to the railway and before the events of the first book in 1923. He was rebuilt at crovans gate giving him the side tanks and front board of an E2.
It is posible that thomas is a fictional addon but also a attemp to improve the e2s
I mean yeah
In my headcannon I like to imagine Thomas as the E2 version of the E1x, Basically a one off with some parts from the E2s. He was built in 1930 by the Southern Railway for push pull trains, but the experiment didn't go well at all and he's sent to some backwater, namely, Sodor. Though in the RWS canon, I imagine he's probably a random E2, nothing really special to him.
Maybe he's a hudswell clarke 0-6-0 tank engine
It's already being confirmed he's in E2
I like the idea that he is lbscr No. 108. Idk why, i just like that idea.
In my headcanon, Thomas is part of his own class with 2 brothers. They are still E2s but with some modifications, such as the extended sidetanks and splashers( This was pre-1915). In 1915, Thomas got traumatized after finding out about what the cargo he was delivering was and what he was working for(WW1 weapons) and escaped to Sodor where he met Edward, but later left a few years later. He worked with Reginald and Timothy near the Furness Railway on loan, until he was officially purchased by the NWR a few months before Gordon came(Thomas’s dumbass self couldn’t remember Edward until Edward reintroduced himself💀). And the rest is history.
My ideal Thomas is a mix between a FR g5 and LBSCR E2, the bunker from a E2, the cab from a G5, the side tanks from an E2, The wheels and chassis from a G5, the smoke box (black part in the front) is from a G5 as well, the smoke box door from a E2, he was built in 1923, and that’s my ideal Thomas, a mix of something that’s perfect for thomas
In my Canon, Thomas is a TK&HR Topham Class 1 built in 1910
This should be very intresting. In my AU, Thomas was built in Brighton Railway Works. He is one of the five new E2 class with extended side tanks for the London, Brighton, and South Coast Railway (LB&SCR) to replace the worn-out E1 class to do heavier shunting and short-distance freight duties, however Thomas was an experimental engine meaning he can’t age, like Peter Pan. He was number LBSC E2 No.107, but that would soon change the following year in 1916. One day, a careless driver backed Thomas into a brickwall and damaged Thomas’s coal bunker. Thomas was then rebuilt with a flat running board in the coal bunker and made him a smaller E2 tank engine and he was repainted in green with white lining and was renumbered LBSC No. 70. Then one day in the fall of 1923 The LB&SCR controller had told Thomas that will be sent to a railway called the North Western Railway on the Island of Sodor. He arrived to Sodor where he met Edward, an Furness Railway K2, Sarah and James, two experimental L&YR Class 28 moguls, Henry an GNR/LNER atlantic engine, Charles and Jonathan/87546, two GNR K2 tender engines, Simon and Clarence/98462, GNR K2 tender engines and Gordon, an GNR/LNER A1/A0 prototype. He was aqssigned to work as a station pilot at Vicarstown Station. On his first day however, he got some trucks derailed by accident and placed coaches on the wrong platform, Edward, Sarah and Charles did their best to help Thomas the best way they could. During his time as station pilot in 1924, Thomas grew bored and decided to play tricks on the big engines, especially Gordon. The little tank engine would sneak up quietly to the big engines while they weren’t looking and blow his whistle to give them a fright. Gordon was Thomas’s main target until Gordon decided to put Thomas in his place by dragging Thomas with him on his express. This plan worked and it ended both good and bad for Gordon. Good because Thomas stopped scaring him while he was napping and bad because he was placed on goods trains until he learned not to pull dangerous stunt like that with Thomas. The next week Thomas was telling James off for being rough with the coaches, but James didn’t listen and when Gordon saw that Thomas was telling off James, he butted in and said that James knew what he was doing and this made Thomas want to go out and see the world or the rest of the island in general. When Henry became ill Thomas was assigned to take Henry’s local passenger train, but he was too excited to listen and went off after what he thought he heard was the guard’s whistle and went a bit far as the signal box near the exit of the station. When Thomas realized his mistake he went back and collected the passengers with Henry’s coaches this time. Thomas teased by Henry, Gordon and James, but mostly Henry, but soon stopped after Simon told Henry about his tunnel incident and Gordon about him getting stuck on the hill and told James off for being a rough engine and told them that at least Thomas gave the passengers a better run than James had. Even though Thomas was glad that Simon was watching out for him along with Edward, Sarah and Charles, he still wanted to get out of the station yards and see Sodor. After the incident with the trucks, Topham assign Thomas to work at Wellsworth to have Edward teach him on how to handle trucks. One day in 1925, Thomas was shunting at Wellsworth when James passed Wellsworth on a runaway and can’t stop thanks to his wooden brakes catching on fire. Thomas tried to stop James from crashing but failed and Thomas decided to get the breakdown train. Thomas acted with bravery prove himself useful at last. Topham praised Thomas for the right course of action and awarded him his own branch line and a new coat of paint. Thomas whistles in joy after hearing this news. Thomas was soon repainted in North Western Railway blue with red lining, received his North Western Railway logos on his coal bunker sides and his iconic number one painted on his side tanks and the rest is history.
I hope you like my AU of Thomas.
Henry is the A0 prototype (1915 draft). Gordon is the 1920 draft.
@@rhyusbrand8311 This has nothing to do with this video.
@@rhyusbrand8311 1. No relevance, 2. Zero confirmation of this, 3. Henry was converted to a black 5.
3:53 I don't mean to sound rude but the E2's coal and water capacity was not the main problem as to why they were so hungry as Nictrain123 found out the amount of coal they could carry was actually bigger than a LMS 3F Jinty. The main problem he found out was the boiler as it was eating up more fuel than necessary and had similar problem with the I2 Class which the E2 shared their boilers with.
( Here's the video if you wanna know more: th-cam.com/video/XBdNyKNzRRU/w-d-xo.html )
oh, well I fucked up
oh well
Thomas is number 110 (numbers that i made myself) built in 1917 and the reason why he has a flat back is because he crashed into the station masters house backwards his back slope was damaged so it was replaced with a flat one
In my headcanon, he was an E4-E2 hybrid created in 1918. He would have an E4 boiler shortened down to fit the E2 body. The wheelbase would be shortened down, given that the E2s weren't good at shunting. The bunkers for the E4 would be given to the E2-4s because the E2's boilers burned the coal too much and that would result in very bad fuel efficiency. They would also have modified E4 Water tanks because the E2s had trouble with water and coal.
I considered Thomas to be LBSCR 105.
I personally think that Thomas is E2 no. 105, with heavy modifications made at Crovansgate to fix his problems. I personally think that he never had his front or rear running board straightend out, because it just seems like a silly thing to do to me. Here is a video of all the mods that Thomas likely recived (The comments also have some good ones too) th-cam.com/video/XBdNyKNzRRU/w-d-xo.html
In my AU he is 105, the reason hes shorter is because he survived a bomb which blown up his cab and multiple parts and since the LBSCR had a crisis he was bulit shorter and he was rebulit in secret hence the lost in war state
During 1939 painted black and was overhauled heavily and more enough because of Crovans gate being so advanced
In my headcanon Thomas is an LB&SCR E1 built at Arlesbrugh works in 1914
I personally see Thomas as an experimental variant of the E2 built in 1914 to improve their versatility by making him smaller than the rest of the class. This experiment was mainly successful, however, Thomas still suffered from the swaying problem that the E2’s had when traveling at top speed. As he was an experimental design, he was given the number 70, as Billington thought it was a lucky number. A clerical error would send Thomas to the NWR and after this issue was discovered, the LBSCR quietly sold Thomas to the Northwestern for a small sum, probably eager to sweep the incident under the rug.
Who knows, Thomas could be any E2. But actually, I’m just going to agree with you that Thomas is a fictional E2.
Actually when I was writing my own versions of Thomas is Origins I made him the prototype to the Billington e2's. but when he was built the railway felt he was too toy-like because of his smaller size and they wanted an engine that was bigger than Thomas. In 1915 he was sold to the northwestern railway and the production variation of the class was built. with all the faults included.
In my au, there was a prototype E2 built sometime between late 1912 and January 1913 to test the class's capabilities. The experiment proved to be unsuccessful and the E2 class was redesigned to be much smaller to be better engines. Resulting in the ten that were built being much smaller than they were in real life. The prototype was soon scrapped before #100 was built. (And no the prototype is not Timothy🙄) This allows for Thomas to have the same backstory as Awdry gave him. Thomas was #106 and didn't have name before arriving on Sodor, Sir Toppem Hatt 1 named him.
My guess would be that Thomas was originally 105 and was sent to Sodor by mistake by the LB&SCR's deputy controller during the 1910s due to a bad phone connection, meaning that the number of the engine who was supposed to go instead of Thomas couldn't be heard properly. Unfortunately, by the time the mistake was realised, World War I was intensifying and construction work for the NWR was already well underway, making Thomas' retrieval problematic at best. Consequently, the decision was made to write Thomas off as being "lost on war service" and sell him to the NWR in 1920 to cut their losses, which enabled Sir Topham Hatt I to provide Thomas with the modifications required to rectify the design flaws the E2s had, much to Thomas' delight as he had also formed a strong bond with Edward, who had mechanical issues of his own (i.e., he was initially a shy steamer).
My Update ideal take on thomas:
He was built in 1921 when the NWR was formed and would be the prototype for the NWR Y1 Class, hes Contruction was only finished in 1924, 2 years after Gordon was built and Arrived on The NWR, he Would be Numbered 371 and Named 'Thomas topham hatt' Named after Sir topham hatt the 1st unborn child, he would be Station Pilot for Victorstown for 5 years until 1929 when NWR No. 375 James Topham hatt arrived he Rescued him and Got his Branch Line, he still runs on to this day
Hey can i ask a reason why he is a fictional e2
here are some reasons for the theory;
1. his rebuild with him gaining a flat running board like at his bunker.
2. Thomas is described to be small.
@@ScorchZaneTrains and Is it becasue he Is strong to pull many goods trains and him being the fastest unlike the other e2s
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 bingo
@@ScorchZaneTrains that explains why he was faster than diesel 10 and spencer
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 not only that but he also doesn’t suffer from any boiler issues like the E2s did.
(Honestly I write Hiro of the rails as inaccurate to locomotive speeds)
I like to think Thomas is 105, but upon his accident with the station masters house in 1960, Thomas kept his front running board flat, but only the rear was lifted up, but the buffers remained at the same elevation as his front ones. While at Crovan’s gate too, his boiler and firebox were updated to better designs, I also like to think these along with his splashers were inspired by the LNER j50s, what Thomas was intended to be.
In the 1st publication of book 2 by Rev W Awdry, Thomas looked more like an E2. Rev W Awdry asked the Illustrator to make him look fictional. And in the end, Thomas looked less like an E2 so thats why he looks like that
Thomas In My Headcanon Is That Thomas Is Number 105 And Was Sent To Sodor On July 6th 1915 And When He Crashed Into The Stationmasters House He Was Sent To Croven's Gate Works To Get Fixed His Front Footplate Got Fixed And Got His Back Footplate A Flat Running Board With A Taller Buffer Bean To Fit For His Flat Running Board Which Is Why Britt Got The Idea Of His Iconic Design
I think Thomas could be an add-on member of the E2 Class, but there's something I don't get. It stated that Thomas arrived on Sodor in 1915, but he was sold to the NWR in 1920. Why did it take five years for Thomas to be sold to the NWR?!
Because the member of the class that was supposed to go was on loan, not meant to be sold. I’m guessing the loan expired in 1920, so that’s when the events of the LBS ER not wanting him back with it taken place.
It's also possible Thomas was never officially purchased by the railway until 1920, which makes sense given that the NWR wasn't even an official railway quite yet
@@xavierjuno4572 True, true.
My HC has Thomas being an J72 built in 1927.
The only thing we truly know is that thomas is an E2x
(also a major reason for why the E2's and E2x's were a bit rubbish was their boiler's
Since they weren't designed for the E2's)
I remember reading a comment that said he was an experimental engine built between 104 and 105, which ngl matches the timeline of the RWS almost quite well
In my headcanon, Thomas is 105
Maybe during WWI Thomas suffered minor damage to his rear running board and since he was desperately needed for the finishing of the NWR he was given a flat rear running board
I don’t think him being a E2 is the case. In the late 40s Awdry just named a Hudswell Clarke’s no 1800 Thomas. Unless there’s a reason why. I think that Thomas was actually Hudswell Clarke built and Awdry wanted to make it official.
Only problem is that he’s already established Thomas is an E2 that’s an issue. Tho then he might’ve intended that to be Thomas, but the illustrators had other ideas.
@@ScorchZaneTrains he could just be either a
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@@ScorchZaneTrains or a midland engine being the prototype for the SDJR Jinties
@@ScorchZaneTrainsor maybe just a Victorian railways E class
I say thomas dud arrive as a e2 when he got to sodor but the fat man decided thomas would be severely modified to fit sodor standards after thomas was failing in coal and water capicty
Most people say that Thomas’ original number is 105. TH-camrs HiroTheJapeneseTrain & Oliver Duck depicted him like that.
4:07 the inacurate proportions of thomas is also in every engine, is not only in thomas is small in the ilustration conpared wiht his real base, edward is also shorter than the FR K2,james is shorter than a L&YR class 28 and i dare to say gordon and henry are problaby smaller than his basis, but whit duck 's firts appearance the proportions of the engines in the ilustrations are more acurate, at least the new ones
"This E2 has a Splasher which E2 Dont use"
Well in my headcanon,Thomas was indeed numbered 105,but he was build in 1911 as the first E2 with extended side tanks,one year after Timothy (LBSC N100) was build and went to Sodor to work for the T,K,&,E,but while the other four E2 have trouble because of their tanks was because while being build,the men at Brighton Works,under Brilinton's leadership,found the solution to the E2 problem,despite his running board being different from the other E2.
@@gokumasteredultrainstinct1235 ummm. I don’t want to be that guy but the E2s were actually built between 1913-1916
@@ScorchZaneTrains well,you could say Thomas and Timothy were the early two versions of the E2s build,like how Gordon was for the L.N.E.R A1/A3,but with Timothy being the short side tanks E2 and Thomas the extended side tanks E2,the rest followed suit in 1913.
4:14 thomas is like mickey Mouse by that description lol
4:40
Maybe thomas was rebuilt into an E4 but still had extended side tanks
I mean he was given a flat running board, so makes sense it came from an E4 or an E5
I’d say 105
Awdry was all about the lore, so I think that it makes sense that Thomas is 105 or 106 in the RWS, but I like the theory about Thomas being a smaller experimental version of the E2.
I’ve been thinking during 1915 Thomas was the result of an E2 being built wrong by the workers at Brighton (too short in length and looking different) who thought of building one on their own time but messed up and thinking he’d be useless the LBSCR wanted to get rid of him and while had him shunt at the Station and Works with Boxhill (who was working there at the time) at Brighton for only three weeks in July 1915 ordered for him to sent him on a ship to the United States so he could be someone’s problem there (they just wanted him gone and didn’t care where he went really and just wanted him gone) but he was accidentally sent on a ship to Sodor. Of course the LBSC was wrong as even with his shorter length Thomas could pull trains better than his larger sized E2 siblings (as we’ve seen canonically) but they never tested him on any trains.
They should have kept those two extended E2 Tank Engines!
He's 107
I say that Thomas is 106 since he was sent to the crow and scale for special overhaul and when he was painted blue
Ah yes...E2 Thomas. I'm sure Awdry liked Thomas as a CHARACTER, but there's still that theoretical possibility he may not have been a big fan of the E2 Thomas idea. The E2s are ENORMOUS, barely taller than A1s like Gordon iirc, and they're notoriously awful as steam engines...I mean yeah they were only good for shunting, (I feel like they were okay at it at best with the job) but even their large size make them mediocre at worst IMO when it comes to that. The E2s eventually got replaced by the USA Dock Tanks (which is the basis that the TV series' Rosie was based off and they too are pretty big) at one point but hell iirc, a main reason why the E2s were still in service all the way up to like the mid 60s or so wasn't even because they were good engines...it's just the Southern Railway was willing to work with the rolling stock they had as they focused on electrifying their lines. Had Awdry made Thomas completely realistic to an E2, then Thomas is probably the one that needed a rebuild more than Henry...but on the other hand because the E2s sucked, it seems Awdry intentionally made him less like an E2 (like given him that crash that gave him a new flatter running board) and probably in attempts to improve Thomas' performance.
It's pretty interesting how Henry and Thomas were both initially supposed to have been different designs...Henry being an atlantic express engine and Thomas being shunting tank engine that resembles an LNER J50. (Notice how said "being shunting tank engine that resembles an LNER J50" rather than "being an LNER J50", Awdry nor his family never explicitly confirmed the OG design was a J50 per say and not to mention OG concept art Thomas isn't COMPLETELY accurate to the real life J50 design...it's just OG-concept-design!Thomas highly resembles an LNER J50 that fans end up getting the idea)
On topic of J50!Thomas though, this would actually make his dynamic with Gordon (who later on is confirmed to be an GNR/LNER A1) feel even more personal...both engines technically being cousins that share the same roots, both are LNER/GNR steam engines built at Doncaster and are designed by the great Sir Nigel Gresley himself. Which is very funny because...by this point in time, most of the Gresley engine characters we got in the entire franchise are quite prideful, arrogant even, in some way or form. (Gordon being a pompous snooty elitist and Henry (remember his old shape is technically a failed design of Gresley) being selfish and self-entitled...had one line from Green Arrow when he felt someone was questioning his strength, Mallard seemed like the snooty type, and even in the TV series, we've got Spencer and even Flying Scotsman to another extent. Even Ryan the N2 tank engine was initially planned to be overconfident and dismissive) Don't get me wrong, this idea ISN'T necessary...but it's hilarious to think about how almost every engine designed by Sir Nigel Gresley is at least arrogant and high-opinionated by nature in some shape or form. Hell you might even argue that some fan characters like the infamous O2 Dudley or the absolutely-timeline-illegal B17 prototype Regaby are like twisted representations of this aspect. And if you wanna imagine Thomas as a J50, it makes this hilarious (optional) idea of the many Gresley engines being high-opinionated and egotistical fitting since Thomas is an cheeky egotistical little prat himself. Think about it, Thomas and Gordon being cousins that share the same roots...but in terms of hierachy are from completely different social statuses, (Thomas is just a lowly shunting tank engine whereas Gordon is the large premiere express tender engine) and it really makes them not get along with one another and have a hilarious personal ego clash.... XD
But considering how those two formed an alliance after Gordon rescued Thomas out of the mine, it would make their alliance (if y'wanna take the J50!Thomas headcanon into account) even more heartwarming and personal since it's basically two egotistical rude cousins (that share the same roots and heritage but pretty much despise each other and are essentially from different social classes), after going through events that were the boiling points of their own egos that essentially put them in disgrace and brought them down to the bottom, learning to set their differences aside and finally get along...not just as friends, but as a genuine family too. That's sweet to think about actually. ^_^
I prefer thomas being a smaller industrial engine personally. But this video looks interesting!
My headcanon is that there are 2 105’s
The first 105 is Thomas built in January of 1915 but after he was lost in war during the summer of that year the lbsc tried to cover up Thomas by making a second 105
So I guess here’s my take:
Rear Bunker
In WW1 during the German air raids Thomas was unfortunately hit by one of the bombs pretty much destroying almost his whole bunker, you get what I’m going with.
Overall size:
The LBSCR didn’t like the overall size of the E2s mainly because they were literal giants as tank engines and failed at every task they were going for, so to try fix the problems they would downsize one of the E2s that being 105 or Thomas, Thomas was hit like I mentioned. He would find his way onto Sodor where he was repaired with a more longer rear end, The LBSCR would end up selling Thomas away to NWR in secret, The LBSCR would never learn the positives and cons so they built another 105 class like all the others and continued that way.
Wait did Germany had actual bombers in air during WW1?
Probably, search it up I think they did
I would say that Thomas would be 105 or 108
In my AU, Thomas is not an original E2. He just looks like one. His construction started at Crovan’s Gate Works in 1920 and ended in 1924.
What issue with season 5 do you have
When 87546 did return to sodor in sodor dark times
In my head cannon thomas was a e2 add on but wasn't taken care of when he was built they didn't have all the parts like the running bored and with more problems coming from the public like small bunker and water tanks they just decided to make this one different and thats thomas
I have theory when Thomas is a short e2 liek a experiment it went well but got lost at the war so that Happend in 1915
When he crashed in the statin masters house he crashed going backwards the people at the works fricked up and forgot to slop the running bord at the back
When engines 1-8 was going to London thomas crashed but his running bord isn’t he front was startend and he was lowed down and that’s it goodbye
In my AU, Thomas is LNER J50, built in 1915.
Why a J50
@@Damon_Drawings Awdry originally made Thomas as a J50, but Reginald Payne made him as an E2.
@@NVRacingProductions Thomas never had a base tho
@@Damon_Drawings Basis*
Thomas still used to look like J50.
Thomas is 105 not 108
I mean I never said he was 108, but ok up to you
Well Thomas having the flat running board makes him similar to another class of the LBSCR
That class was the E1 class, now there was only one made ( n.o 89 ) and it was built in 1911 ( a few years before the E2’s were built ) and later re-numbered 89A in October of the same year, so that’s what ( I think ) is what awdry wanted Thomas to look like after his re-built
WARNING : THIS IS JUST A THEORY, A RWS LORE THEORY
Interesting theory, tbh there isn’t really much of a right or wrong answer. So really for all we know this theory could be true, maybe who knows
Thomas is older than Gordon and Henry ?
Admittedly the one issue I have with Thomas being an E2 is how old he would actually be. He'd be older than Gordon of all engines, and one of the oldest rather than youngest engines on the entire island, which just feels weird to me. However, I am starting to come to terms with the idea. So as for which E2 he could be, I'm personally in one of two corners: either 105, OR, a fictional original-build of 107. Hear me out on this last one.
In the cancelled The Adventures of Thomas movie, Thomas was depicted as originally being LBSCR 107. Now at first, this wouldn't make any sense, since 107 was built in 1916 and Thomas arrived on Sodor in 1915. The way I got around this slight butterfly was through the idea that there were two E2s numbered 107, with one of them being built before the other. This one of course being Thomas. He could've been built a short while after 106 in order to fit the 1915 timeline. After he was declared lost in the war by the LBSCR and sent off to the NWR, a new 107 - the real-life one - was built in his place.
The more I think aloud about this idea, the more I like it, so that's now just my personal head canon.
Thomas isn't an e2 in my head cannon bc hes short and stompy unlike the E2's which are f!#€ing huge in my head cannon thomas is a perfect G6 tank engine but if he was an E2 he would be a prototype, an addon member, a modified E2, or maybe they built him especially for sodor
In real life, the E2's never had wheel arches
I would state, if Awdry mentioned Gordon being a prototype to the A1 he would have mentioned Thomas being “experimental” or “a one off design”. He just says he was an E2, nothing fancy. Awdrys model 1st and 3rd I believe, was a modified (not shortened) E2 model.
Then again he didn’t necessarily specify if he was a one off but Theres a chance of that
my headcanon is that thomas is 106 and he arrived in sodor in 1920
Well, before the breakfast incident, I would say Thomas is based on a Arthur Keen class locomotive. It almost has the exact shape of Thomas, but that’s just my opinion
fair enough tbf he does share somewhat of a similar shape to the locomotive Arthur Keen
E2 Thomas? No. E5 Thomas? Yes.
To explain, in my AU, the LBSCR in the 20's built a batch of 11 Extra E5's in the early 20's to be sold off to smaller railways in the UK as a sort of " Bonding Excersise " with other railways. Thomas was sold to the NWR and was first allocated to Vicarstown, where he did station piloting, short goods to places like Balahoo & Norramby, and short Locals to Norramby in conjunction with the LMS. He was then allocated to Tidmouth in 1926 to pilot there after the LMS allocated their own pilot at Vicarstown. The events of Thomas & Gordon play out in late 1926 when a late Wild Nor' Wester departed Tidmouth with Thomas still coupled, the train gets hauled at wellsworth where Thomas is uncoupled and runs home light engine. The rest of his book plays out pretty much the same.
@@ThatE4 E5 Thomas? No. E2 Thomas? Yes.
i think thomas is 105 but the controller of the nwr noticed when he bought thomas he would derail on curves sometimes and his steam problem were a trouble so they made a blueprint
of a rebuild for thomas and they rebuilt him and made him smaller so thats my au
Can't wait
2:28 so what you’re saying that was Thomas was replaced by salty?
His class were
I’ve theorised that Thomas was a fictional add-on member of the class too, especially after watching Railway Mania’s take on him. th-cam.com/video/sSfhglW_aFk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_fOuHVWpCta2LyZq
It makes sense too when you realise that Topham wasn’t looking for an E2 and Thomas was written off as lost in the war by the LBSCR (likely because they didn’t care to get him back due to him being non-standard).
Do you plan to make a video on Edward as well? I’m curious to know if he could be a fictional add-on too.
My cannon is thomas arrived In 1922 and was number 107 LBSC or 2107 SOUTHERN because it matches his number in the adventure begins 70
Thomas is an e2
My AU Thomas is 110 and built in 1916…..
In my headcannon
Thomas is the 2° and last prototype of the E2 0-6-0 class(the first being Timothy) and if you wanna know my Thomas born on 1918(because his a fictional tank engine of THE he E2)
Characteristics (on my headcannon)Thomas is an E2 0-6-0
With out the extended water tanks
Having the number 110(like @berkshire4607)painted with reddish brown color
His speed from 1918 to 1960(non rebuilt): 60 km per hour.
His speed(rebuilt with extend tanks and flat running bord): 52.5 km/h
When he arrived at sodor at 1920 he meet Edward and after 1 year of work on the yards Thomas was repainted with blue and with the number 1(when thomas became the number one he was still having the non extended water tanks. Antyle on 1960 that crashing on the Farquhar house he was rebuilt with now the extended water tanks and the flat running board.
And he doesn't struggles with water and coal like the real life E2
And if you think that Thomas before his rebuild dosent have his splashers, we'll he have it always from his year of born(21 april of 1918) to his rebuild on 1960
So that's my head cannon if you like it comment it ok.❤
The 1920 crovan's gate works rebuilt might removed his tanks and bunker troubles
maybe even his boiler (found out after the video it was his boiler being from the I2, that the E2s had, were being an issue)
@@ScorchZaneTrains okay
I prefer him as a J73
J73s are too old for Thomas. They were built in 1890s.