If you want to see both sides of the argument, to find some kind of middle ground or understanding, here’s the links to two: Was Sir Topham Hatt Right or Wrong by The Thomas Theorist; th-cam.com/video/Uz17kpjcoCQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=FB8ayp_PeEHlsE_j The debate of SLOTLT by EverthingProductions2004; drive.google.com/file/d/1gIbK8tEc4dDj4jdgI0LPZvpmBJNABCZH/view If you’re interested check out my discord server: discord.gg/PA6Z4Q3VqX For those who don’t know what the boys comic is and want an understanding of it: th-cam.com/video/JyKliIF49JQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Hac91Hhzr59feOaz
Is this the surprise you were talking about? If so, then it’s a fantastic surprise! Thank you so much for including a link to that Google doc of that debate I made! I greatly appreciate it! I also love that you included Thomas Theorist’s video on the matter! I’ve seen it too, and it’s fantastic too!
That's true at least in the current series, but if you look back in both the Railway Series books and a classic series, Thomas was a cheeky hot-headed prick. Yes, since series 5, he has grown and matured since then, but he still gets that big head from time to time.
@@jayheadley8061 Yep that we can, and I can say that the legends of the lost treasure could've been better in my opinion Thomas not being the main character and instead have an other engine take care of his services. and thomas as a humble peak and mature engine
@@IronSteelRailroader I definitely do see what you mean. I mean there were a few movies where Percy took the leading role. (Day of the Diesels and Tale of the Brave). Which engine would you consider having the leading role in SLOTST instead of Thomas? I'd say Percy, but that's like a one trick pony. And I can't really see Rosie, Emily, James, Bill and Ben or Philip having that role either. Also a lot of fans seem to speculate that this film is meant to take place after the Who's Geoffrey episode, which I can see myself, especially the way Sir Topham Hatt has treated Thomas in this film. (Understandable though minus the dynamite scene, but I digress.) (Off topic) I also remember Unlucky Tug saying that Gordon should have had the leading role in The Great race and I personally agree.
What Gordon did was nowhere near as bad as what Thomas did. The most I could’ve expected to see as a punishment for Gordon would be if the big engine snickered when Thomas was getting punished and the fat controller just glared at the big engine as a way of saying “shut up unless you want to be next”. But that’s as far as it should go. To drop them at one even have known that Gordon said anything so there would be no reason he would get in trouble
Gordon did nothing that couldn't be referred to as "banter" Thomas literally caused damage and reflected the blame and was very careless The fat controller was just doing his job and only shouts at thomas when needed
Actually in the RWS after Book 30 (MATTTE) Thomas started being a little nicer and less rude and cocky. Same goes for season 3 where he also took a level in kindness and being a good source of advice and voice of reason. It wasn't till season 5 that his maturity reached it's peak. After the HIT takeover Thomas has been nothing but nice.
@dslade6559 That is true, he has grown and matured since series 5. I guess it just depends on the writer, to be honest. Looking back at it now, you were actually right about Thomas being a lot nicer after More about Thomas the Tank Engine when he was no longer mean to Percy. Even when he meets Bill and Ben for the first time, he doesn't seek vengeance towards them.
This is literally the same logic as people complaining that the movie forgets about Thomas and Gordon’s alliance from Down the Mine despite it practically becoming non existent since season 5.
Personally I think Thomas is portrayed perfectly in this film. Yes ideally they should keep the Thomas and Gordon alliance going, but the CGI series seems to keep a status quo that Gordon is prideful and Thomas is cheeky and impulsive. So given that context I feel like this is exactly how they would react to one another
@ScorchZane I have a confession. I used to think the same way as the people who hated STH and Gordon. But I saw your video and my opinion was completely changed for the better. Thank you for opening my eyes and seeing the bigger picture.
@@Kyranyoutubevids great, now Andrew Brenner’s probably gonna get undeserved hate and we’d probably have to start calling the Brenner era something else if this is the reason people started calling the Miller era Nitrogen era.
Finally someone got it out there. Also just to add to the bit about Sir Topham Hatt, lots of the events in season 19 happen at the same time. This means several episodes at the same time and some shortly before this movie. Some even happen at the same time as the first parts of the movie such as in Best Engine Ever Marion is at the yards as she's heading up to the construction site. The railway being extremely busy as well as several accidents and engines having been out of service, no wonder Sir Topham Hatt would be so stressed and when Thomas makes it worse, he has every right to be angry.
Yeah because I think James was the one who tricked Thomas into playing pranks on Gordon by derailing the express. However, Sir Topham Hatt misunderstood Thomas' act of saving Ryan from a disastrous situation while helping out with the construction of the Harwick Branch Line (where Arthur works to this day in my headcanon) until one day when Thomas succeeded in helping the police to capture Sailor John for stealing the precious treasure.
It's very confusing and intriguing to see that everyone thinks Gordon deserved punishment and that Sir Topham Hatt should have apologized to Thomas for the way he was treating him, *but the person who deserved the punishment was Thomas himself, who caused much more damage when it could have turned into a tragedy*
The idea of Ryan taking Thomas's role in the film was actually an idea I came up with in a rewrite of that film. And also in that rewrite, Thomas would take a dislike to Ryan due to his cocky attitude, which he was supposed to have, but began to soften up to Ryan once he learned why he was so cocky and encouraged him to redeem himself.
To this day, when I first watched Sodor, legend of the lost treasure I still do not like it when people defend Thomas when the movie came out I still think Gordon was in the right for being mad at him for being reckless with his coaches plus he didn’t do anything wrong. He was just standing there short, call him a little tank and that’s one thing but it was just a joke. I’m pretty sure he was joking.and Sir Topham hat was totally in the right for scolding and Thomas because he was being irresponsible and blaming his friends for the matter wasn’t helping anything so the only person they should be mad at in the movie is Thomas himself because he was the one who caused everything
I just saw another video that looks at both sides between Topham and Thomas and I have to agree Thomas was in the wrong…Topham finally losing his temper can be explained by The Boy Who Cried Wolf…Thomas kept making excuses and Topham had heard enough…at the end he simply tried to apologize rather than passing the blame
@ScorchZane I think you could trace it all back to his up and down character in Series 1. Most people watch the first three episodes or so and write him off as mean, proud, and heartless. And then they just don't give any of his other episodes a chance.
@@ScorchZaneTrains Well, many people think that Henry died in the tunnel, or never made it out, when Sir Topham Hatt himself, let Henry out in the very next episode! 😔 So, this isn't much different from that. 🤷🏼♂
Sometime within the past week, I tried searching up Sir Topham Hatt memes on DeviantArt, and as I scrolled down, I gradually got more spam copy-paste Fill-in memes slandering him in the movie. It got to a point where I quit faster than my Grandpa quit Thomas and the Magic Railroad. To say that this isn't an opinion anymore, just straight up hated is the understatement of the century.
I see Thomas and Gordon as frenemies sometimes. :P I always think that SLOTLT was the boiling point for Sir Topham Hatt to finally think that he should one day put his foot down on Thomas' shenanigans when Thomas goes way too far with his high degree of stupidity, eagerness or arrogance. Usually I think any of the first engines that Topham would put his foot down on would be either Thomas, James, Gordon or maybe Diesel. 1 thing I wish that could've been mentioned in the movie was that Thomas could've brought up that he was the first one to find the pirate ship in the sinkhole not Rocky. Thomas could've blamed Gordon since he was being a pompous turd to him about tender engines not shunting. Topham has had far worse moments when it comes to running his railway or things that his engines didn't cause whether it was something that wasn't out of his or her control or caused by someone else out of spite, sabotage and for revenge. Examples: Middle Engine Misty Island rescue Steam Team to the rescue Slippy Sodor Can dynamite be transported by train? Ive only seen gunpowder being delivered by those black cylinder trucks on the SKR and fireworks in vans in "Thomas and the firework display".
1:40 This never gets old 🤣🤣 1:48 "HUH?!" 🤣 But in all seriousness though, I do agree with you. I hate how Andrew Brenner written Thomas and Gordon as bitter enemies
Me too. In the classic series Henry was the one Thomas had the most arguments with but since S8 when they turned Henry into a big wimpy softie they decided to make Gordon the only big engine Thomas quarrels with.
Also, I think the reason several fans hated the fat controller in the movie was because up to that point the fat controller was a joke in episodes so I think seeing him punished Thomas and getting really cross with him is the reason why everybody turned but that’s what I just think.
Here's my take. Gordon was being pompous as per usual to Thomas. The tension between them that was building up FOR YEARS finally exploded. Gordon did owe Thomas an apology and fix his way but Thomas CHOSE to do what he did and what's even worse is he tried to pin the blame on Emily a totally innocent character in this situation. And the reason I'm mad at Thomas is the fact he was able to let Gordon a character who remained the same for years get under his skin causing him to do smth like that showed me he didn't mature at all 🤦♂️.
The fact that Thomas and Gordon’s alliance is nonexistent in the CGI series, in addition to the fact that the crews hardly speak, are my two big gripes about the latter half of the show.
You really got every point across the whole spectrum, I'm tired of all the hate this movie gets because of Thomas being a cocky jerk, which is accurate to the RWS and first two seasons of the TV series, and Sir Topham Hatt just DOING HIS JOB as an authority figure!
Hot take: I actually think Thomas still being cheeky even after his whole maturity arc in this movie COULD have worked! Just hear out on this: As much as we usually hate to admit it, we've all sometimes acted out-of-character at least once in our lives. So maybe Thomas, at the start of the special, could receive a compliment from another character, perhaps Edward or Percy. They say "Thomas, you've come a long way since you first worked on the island. You're one of the bravest and smartest engines here." Thomas is initially pleased and grateful, responding with a humble, “Thank you, that means a lot.” Later on, however, Thomas reflects on the compliment. He begins to worry, thinking, “What if I mess up and go back to being the old Thomas? What if I disappoint everyone?” This paranoia eventually causes him to make mistakes again, much to his dismay. Sir Topham Hatt reprimands him, saying "Thomas, what’s gotten into you? You know better than this.” which reinforces Thomas’s fear of reverting to his old ways. After being reprimanded, Thomas talks to a trusted friend. He confesses, “I was so worried about disappointing everyone and becoming my old self again that I made everything worse.” His friend reassures him, “Thomas, everyone makes mistakes. You’ve grown so much, and one mistake doesn’t undo that. Just be yourself.” And so, with renewed confidence, Thomas approaches his tasks with a clear mind, balancing his natural cheekiness with the maturity he’s developed. He takes responsibility for his earlier mistakes and stops Sailor John, showing his growth. And Sir Topham Hatt is once again proud of him. There! What do you think?
@@worthybutter2004 honestly I like the idea, him having a balance between cheeky (because he likes to be humorous rather then out of spite), but still having the maturity makes him more like he’s a characters that progresses. Honestly I wish the film did that to justify Thomas’ cheekiness
@@ScorchZaneTrains Yeah, me too. Why couldn’t we have gotten THAT movie? It would’ve sent a really good message to kids and grown ups about how growth is a continuous process, and making mistakes doesn’t erase past progress.
Yeah the more I look into it. Thomas is just an ass in the movie. The first accident was his fault and the second. The third was somewhat his fault but at least he tried to fix his situation. When I first watched this movie, I knew Thomas was acting reckless here. Yeah Gordon could have been like shuten up by Topham but Thomas fucked up 3 times and Everytime he did, Topham would get angry immediately. Its understandable but the 3rd mess up is still mix in my opinion.
Is it just me, or does Thomas and Sir topham hatt kinda remind me of kevin and peter mccalister. Both have a father son dynamic relationship in their respective films, both kevin and thomas are extremely childish and foolish in the beginning of hte films, which reachs a breaking point where they are more or less sent away in disgrace, before redeeming themselves by saving something from a robber no less.
a good comparison to this movie would be the original Toy Story from 1995, In that film Woody tries to get rid of Buzz and sucseedes in a way he didn't expect, that causes the other toys to turn on him, that's almost exactly what happened here, Thomas takes the express away from Gordon and then crashes the express and Topham get's mad at him. I don't know if anyone else has made this comparison before but I rewatched Toy Story recently and in my head I was like "this is almost like Lost Treasure"
It's just so unfair, Gordon and Sir Topham Hatt are only just doing their job. Like yeah The Fat Controller could have scolded Gordon about not talking bad about other engines and that's it. BUT THAT IS NO EXCUSE OF SAYING "It'S gOrDoN's FaUlT aNd SiR tOpHaM HaTt Is BeInG mEaN tO tHoMaS... Blah blah blah" GROW UP!!!! IT IS CLEARLY THOMAS'S FAULT AND THESE THOMAS DEFENDERS SHOULD HAVE ACCEPTED!!!!! God I wish they should re-watch the film again and now that it is Thomas's fault not Gordon's and Sir Topham Hatt is only doing his job. The Fandom is not the same as it was 😔
Can't blame Fat Hatt for being pissed with Thomas with how stupid he was acting. And while Gordon may have been being a jerk, it was still Thomas who caused the accident as he chose to screw around with the coaches so Thomas is 100% at fault for the accident at Knapford Junction.
Speaking of the dynamite, thomas technically wasted valuable materials for the project so i can see why topham would be mad. SORRY IF YOU CAN'T SEE THAT HATERS AND SLANDERERS!!!!!!!
Thomas deserved it. He kept lying and putting blame on others. Sure Gordon’s comment was rude, but that was just that, a rude comment. Gordon didn’t tell Thomas to move the coaches across the mainline, Thomas shunted the coaches himself, it was Thomas’s actions. Thomas blamed others and after the mineshaft incident he did it again. Sure, no one stood up for Thomas after the Dynamite incident, but that’s on everyone else for not speaking, not Topham. And as for Topham, he was angry the first two times because Thomas was lying, and the third time Topham saw Thomas chase Ryan with lit dynamite, so he didn’t get the full picture, and since Thomas had lied to Topham twice in the same movie, Topham doesn’t believe Thomas. To quote another Thomas user (TTTE Guy), this is a boy who cried wolf situation. Thomas lied the first two times and the third time no one believes him. And even then Thomas damaged/lost railway property THREE TIMES, that stuff is expensive to get. And the reason why Thomas is forgiven at the end is because 1. Thomas owned up to his mistakes and 2. Thomas did the right thing.
I still think Thomas was out of character. I mean this behavior would be correct if it took place during season one/the early railway series books but this takes place decades after and that’s the problem. They just retconned decades of character development which messes the whole timeline up.
It's fine and Thomas is perfectly in character which Andrew Brenner did perfectly in terms of cheeky and everything that makes Thomas who he is even after development. Besides, owning up to mistakes is something never focused on before.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 Yeah but could he have done the "owning up to mistakes and admitting when you're wrong" in a story that takes place BEFORE Thomas developed as a character? Then it would feel natural. This feels like a retcon.
You can clearly blame Andrew Brenner for this Thomas vs Gordon scenario. It says on a page on DeviantArt by CrovanWorks he has some animosity for Gordon and wants us to believe he was at fault for Thomas' accident with the express coaches and when STH is telling off Thomas Gordon gives a smug smirk which emphasizes Brenner's attempt to convince us that Gordon is in the wrong and Thomas is in the right, when that is obviously not true. Thomas was being silly by making Gordon late and pushing his coaches out across the station points through a red signal and derailing them. It's just Brenner's way of showcasing Thomas as the main character being the innocent victim and Gordon as the antagonist when it's clearly the other way around. So in reality it's really Thomas' fault here, not Gordon's.
@@joshuaW5621Well yes your right and that may be true but I'm only going by with what I read on CrovanWorks' post. It could be just his opinion or, like you said, it can't really be certain Gordon is hated by Brenner.
You know, the more I think about it, the more I think SLOTLT could have worked if *Oliver* was in Thomas' place. Like, this could have occurred when he was new to Sodor. While he may have been humbled by his accident in the Turntable Well, he could still be a little overconfident. And perhaps when he returned to service, he had to serve time in the Big Station in order to learn patience and either Gordon or Henry teases him about his accident which causes him to derail the Express coaches. Fearing the worst, Oliver tries to cover it up by blaming the other engines, but the Fat Controller hears none of Oliver's excuses and orders him to help with the construction on the Harwick Branch Line in Duck's place while Duck goes back to running the Little Western. This idea still has a few things to tweak, but I think it could work.
Honestly, the way I see it, I feel that both Thomas and Gordon were in the wrong from the first time I saw the film. We all know Gordon is a pompous prick, that is pretty much his character through and through and we all know Thomas is a cheeky git since the books and the early seasons of the show. Thomas started it by calling Gordon lazy to begin with, so of course Gordon is going to bite back by being so smug about his position and calling Thomas a silly little Tank Engine. And although I can relate to Thomas's frustration, that still doesn't justify him derailing the Express Coaches, even if it was accidental. Also, I believe that Thomas was more in the wrong for not taking accountability for his actions with both the coaches and caven, but with the Dynamite situation, Thomas shouldn't have started the sentence with "It's not my fault" which of course Sir Topham Hatt is going to shut him up for that, I honestly wish Ryan and the Pack would back Thomas up, even though he caused this in the first place by giving Ryan the bad coal, but he still managed to redeem himself by preventing everyone from getting blown up. Even though his bigger redemption by trying to stop Sailor John was a lot more impactful. As for Sir Topham Hatt, he was just doing his job, nothing big to say about it, it's what I'd expect from him when I first heard about this film. I may have had gripes with the Fat Controller in the past when he always blames engines for shit that was beyond their control. But in this one, it was a lot more justifiable for once. I understood his frustration when Thomas derailed Gordon's coaches and the Caven scene as well, I was a bit annoyed when STH ignored Thomas when he was trying to tell him about the pirate ship, but I get that it's just him being tired of Thomas' bullshit. And his outburst in the dynamite scene while a bit over the top at first glance, it's was more understandable when you rewatch it. From his perspective, he thought Thomas has gone insane planning to kill Ryan with the dynamite, so of course he was going to lose his shit. All and all, I still enjoy the film, I'd say it was the most highly anticipated film throughout the Brenner era next to Tale of the Brave and The Adventure Begins. This is the only film where both Thomas and Sir Topham Hatt are in full character since the RWS books and the classic series.
Personally, the issue i have with the Fat Controller in this movie is not that he punishes Thomas, but rather HOW he punishes Thomas. Instead of explaining why what he did was wrong, he just straight up says to him "Shut up, Thomas. What you did was stupid and that's the end of it!" Like, what sort of message is that?! That parents should not be parents and explain to their child why whatever they’re doing is potentially reckless? Also, the part where he tells off Thomas for, from his perspective, attempting to kill Ryan could’ve been done better if once Topham finishes yelling at Thomas, we see a glint of sadness on his face for a few seconds, before he sighs, quickly reverts back to looking cross and leaves without another word. That, in my opinion, would add some nuance to the scene, showing us that deep down, Topham feels guilty for treating his No.1 engine like that, even if he sees it as the right thing to do. Because i know some parents out there who feel bad for scolding their children, regardless of whether they deserved it or not. It just fucking HURTS for them to do so! It would’ve added so much to this movie if Brenner thought of this idea. Oh, and also, i would have a scene where Ryan tells Topham the truth. I know it happens in the movie, but we never really get to see it, we're just told that he does, so in my version we do see it happen. Then later on, after Thomas finally stops Sailor John and is rescued from the sea, it's a moment where both Thomas AND Topham get to apologise to each other, although it is acknowledged that it's mostly Thomas who needs to say sorry. There! What do you think?
@@jayheadley8061 Thanks, glad you agree! I honestly don't think we've ever seen a Thomas story where the Fat Controller says sorry to his engines for scolding them. Yeah, i know half of the time, he's justified in doing so, but what if, just for once, he isn't? The closest i can think of is the Series 5 episode "Cranky Bugs" where he thinks Thomas and Percy weren't helping Cranky, but later on when Cranky confesses that it was the other way round, he murmurs to himself "I owe those engines an apology." It's not much, but it does help to show how even authority figures like Topham aren't always correct.
@@worthybutter2004 Definitely, that's was of negative with Sir Topham Hatt as a whole. Cranky Bugs and Percy Gets it Right were the only times he ever apologised.
i can agree that Thomas has always been that in his past and to here because he's been a rude young teenager, and I see why, sir topham hatt is telling him that he is being the rudest child but I'm mad at Gordon too, Not because of this or In SLOTLT, but He completely Forgot His Moto to Thomas (Which was back in both Gordon's RWS Book and Even in the Nitrogen Era for goodness sake) I feel that Edward should have remind Gordon that he did make a Moto promise to Thomas that they would have their alliance (Thats teh real reason why i see Gordon and Thomas as like Children since they forget their Moto to each other and not like how people would say Thomas should snap at Gordon and Sir Topham Hatt)
Good video! Lesson of the story kids, don’t give a dime about what people say. I just wanna point out that this movie is fine in my opinion as a part the cgi canon, a different canon to both the models and books.
I like this kind like idea, this would be a perfect of if there was a book about Ryan in the railway series, and I imagine this would be kinda like the Railway Series book of Movie 13:59
Well, Thomas and Gordon could still have banter from time to time with their main traits and all despite being allies so I don't see any problem with that in CGI Brenner era. Besides, SLOTLT is perfect for Thomas in the main protagonist role and that he learns how to own up for his mistakes which in the classic series never shows despite maturity arc and that regardless, he is still cheeky as it's part of who he is and that never changes. Hopefully you understand that, ScorchZane.
Even if he was cheeky it wouldn’t be to this extreme, otherwise that would’ve happened in the books as well (like yeah he and Gordon tease from time to time mainly because that’s how friends are sometimes, they just mess around). But it’s hard to really like this take of Thomas when he went not giving a crap in season two to worrying about his passengers in like say season 5. I also don’t like how Ryan is just a nice guy (like yeah not every engine has to be bad, but him being nice felt like trying to justify Thomas’ actions(
@@ScorchZaneTrains I heard that Ryan, in the original script for the movie, was actually portrayed as being "overconfident and dismissive", instead of the nice dude he was in the final film.
Well at least those Thomas 'Defenders' didn’t go as far as to Defend Norman Price From Fireman Sam and Slander Cgi Norman, Mattel and HIT Entertainment.
Excellent video, ScorchZane! As much I don't like Thomas, Gordon and The Fat Controller in this movie, I do hate the hatedom of Gordon and Topham much more! They treat their opinions like fact when they shouldn't! No, scratch that! Opinions shouldn't be treated as fact, period! Now, to the Topham and Gordon haters/Thomas defenders, here's my message to you. It's fine to hate Topham and Gordon and defend Thomas, but only if you are kind in how you give your criticism and respect the opinions of those that defend Topham and Gordon and think Thomas is wrong, making the punishments he gets justified! It's not just about what you say. It's also about how you say it. And yeah, when you take your hate of something in fictional media to the level those fanfiction and video makers ScorchZane mentioned did, it gets annoying, and you become bad as a result. Also, it's been eight years since Sodor's Legend of The Lost Treasure came out, so the hate is also old news. So yeah. It's fine to hate Topham and Gordon and defend Thomas, but only if you go about in a respectful way and respect the opinions of the defenders. That's what I've done, and will continue to do: have my opinions and respect different points of view on the matter.
@@ScorchZaneTrains Exactly! Like I said, too much hatred results in the bad fan fictions and videos you mentioned. And let's be real. Hate art is a waste of time
The fact they’re still being petty after the biggest people in the fandom people like the Unlucky Tug and Thomas Theorist defended Topham’s behaviour is just so embarrassing to me.
For my ideal Visiting big engine who instigated Ryan: She is a newly built LMS rebuilt patriot in a midland red livery and her name is Erika. Also she is sorta the inspiration for the Unknown Warrior. Edit: I don’t know why I inserted my OC here but I just have a lot of ideas.
Thanks for that and if I wanted to continue with Erika’s character, I would make her a protagonist in The Great Race to give us a different side to her than being an arrogant snob.
In almost the end of the movie I think should of happen if sir fat hat secretly put a remote control on Thomas and control him to fall in the mine and use a big boulder with the help of a bulldozer and drop the boulder in the mine which could kill Thomas which will be bad but funny to sir fat hat but not to the engines
That's why most of this fanbase is full of oversensitive manchildren! It's also why I hate the TV series, Post-S5 because they made it just to appeal to babies and sadly, many of the adult fans of those grew up with a baby-like mind and will throw a fit and cry over the slightest bit of negative negativity and in Thomas, they expect some form of justice over a minor bit of mockery!
@@ScorchZaneTrainsThat's why I said I hate Post-S5. The first five seasons were when I started watching the series. But once Season 8 came around, I was done because Thomas wasn't meant to be a baby show.
the only 2 thing 1. thomas in the dynamite scene: i feel that you can't blame thomas for letting ryan the bad coal because is like blaming henry's driver for letting henry crash in the flying kipper when we all know that ice and snow cause the accident and the same thing with this scene thomas was say "really not my fault" meaning that he was telling the true that the bad coal cause this but topham it's just to angry for the 3th time thomas said that. 2. is there any episode that topham realises that thomas actually found the ship that i missed? if there is something that i was wrong in the first thing just tell me
@@ScorchZaneTrains i still wondering why topham thought that thomas did not found the ship if both thomas and the ship are inside the pit when topham arrived with emily and rocky
I think these Thomas defenders are just bullshitters They haven’t even watched the movie. They just decided to blame Gordon on everything. When Gordon did nothing wrong, but just told Thomas to hurry up dude he was just telling him to hurry up so he couldn’t be late
They probably aren’t even real Thomas fans considering they don’t understand the characters and their situations either. Blaming Gordon for Thomas derailing the express is like blaming him for Sir Handel pretending to be ill and getting Peter Sam hit with the trucks in Trucks.
@@EngelFundamentalEducation Yes and no. Yes, they were like that in the beginning, but as the series progressed, they eventually came to respect each other more and even form an alliance. But this movie just completely ignores all of that and reverts them back to how they interacted at the start. And it sucks to watch.
@@ScorchZaneTrains no I know his maturity arc. But I'm going to assume that since it was the 70th anniversary special. They want to make Thomas more cheeky. Like he was with the railway series
@@ScorchZaneTrainstbf there isn’t anything wrong with Thomas still being cheeky years after the classic era. He does still act cheeky from time to time.
Is it me or does the thumbnail of the video look like a teaser for a thomas fan film where Gordon and Thomas are being enemies for a accident that they did not cause or involved with and some mean engines think it is sir topham hatt’s fault and the fat controller is trying to figure out who is responsible for the accident and who is right and who is wrong
all right i still wonder a way to contact with andrew brenner about well i'll be honest i mention 3 thing with you but i want to say to him about the idea of thomas causing trouble and lying saying that it not his fault well topham well let me explain about topham he sents thomas to the new branchlie to teach thomas a lesson but it's a bad idea? well i also need to know if topham knew that thomas did found the ship and also that the bad coal cause to lose dynamite well i guess it did talk to ryan and i wanna guess if the ship descovery was thomas why in the film is not mention after thomas said sorry at topham for what he did all the time did topham knew something about the ship descovery or not? just awnser
@@ScorchZaneTrainsand I’m confused that Thomas’s driver and fireman were driving Thomas in the knapford incident and sir topham hatt didn’t scold them for stopping Thomas so both the knapford and cavern incidents are basically Thomas’s driver and fireman’s fault because they didn’t stop Thomas causing an accident or crash, and the workmen didn’t put a sheet over the trucks to stop the dynamite igniting and the dynamite scene is basically the workmen’s fault. I’m not mad I’m just wondering
@@ScorchZaneTrainsCan dynamite be transported by train? I've only seen explosive substances and objects being delivered in vans, tankers and 7 planks. We have those black cylinder trucks for gunpowder on the SKR, black and yellow tankers for fuel and oil, barrels on 7 planks and flatbeds, and vans for fireworks in "Thomas and the firework display". Has there been a time in the show that had different types of explosive materials, substances and objects being transported in different types of trucks?
i sorry for been 3 month late about this but in part where you mention about thomas and gordon's dynamic you didn't mention about topham because i didn't like his dynamic i wish topham's role could've to a guy he hires to help with the railway It doesn't matter who it is, it can be a new character and be the one who It is strict with the main character just to kept topham's arc consistent but you now si his job but only because i didn't liked topham in that film
Look, the videos I did were to not to be taken seriously. This arguing needs to stop. SLOTLT Fans and Haters have been fighting for plenty of years, they need to handle what they praise or not to themselves. Like, I know I’m a SLOTLT Hater, but the videos are not to be taken seriously to SLOTLT fans. They need to quit arguing about what fans and haters think of the film. But they keep on bashing on each other. To tell you this, I’m not doing SLOTLT content anymore. I’m doing other stuff. (I’m not being rude, but I can’t stand fights. Do you know what I mean?)
if they are to stop, so would the people who slander Gordon, and it’s kind hard not to especially when they are full of hatred just because a big usages called a small tanker a “silly little engine”. (perhaps it’s better you don’t make those videos if you’re gonna slander Gordon).
Honestly, I don’t really care about that whole argument anymore, I’ll be honest with you, the CGI series it’s not my thing, I would rather go with the models and the railway
@@ScorchZaneTrains CGI did some things way better than models like more focus on Thomas and Edward's friendship, Annie, Clarabel, Henrietta and Toad getting more focus on their characters and adapting Small Railway Engines that would've been impossible with models so Thomas looks great in CGI style.
What if Those Toxic Thomas Defenders’s Reactions to The Sad Story Of Henry because Sir Topham Hatt walled Henry In a tunnel, and Norman Price Being butchered into an Arsonist in the Cgi Series of Fireman Sam by HIT Entertainment, And Mattel, And The Banana Splits and The Cattanooga Cats being Butchered as Killer Robots and Criminals in the Banana Splits Horror Movie and Jellystone By Warner Bros, Syfy and HBO Max, And the toxic banana splits fandom making torture or tf or killed or Pibby art out of the banana splits, and also shipping Fleegle and Drooper when they are cousins, (Sorry if I’m H0m0ph0b1c) And even a certain devianart user shipping herself with Bingo from the Banana Splits when it Z00ph1la, And Warner Bros never releasing the Banana Splits in hocus pocus park on DVD same with season 2 of the banana splits and the 2008 reboot. And started "defending" Henry, Norman Price, The Banana Splits and The Cattanooga Cats and start slandering Cgi Norman/Satan Price, Mattel, HIT Entertainment, Warner Bros, Syfy, HBO Max, Sir Topham Hatt, The Horror Movie Banana Splits, The Jellystone Banana Splits, The Jellystone Cattanooga Cats, The Pibby Fandom, And The toxic Banana splits and Cattanooga cats fandom and even goes as far as making torture art out of Warner Bros, The Toxic Banana Splits Fandom, The Jellystone Banana Splits, The Jellystone Cattanooga Cats, The Horror Movie Banana Splits, Syfy, HBO Max, And Sir Topham Hatt? ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️ What if That actually happened? And what would everyone’s reaction would be?
I just hope that you make your Timothy video sooner or later you maybe think way I vote for the side tank locomotive 🚂 in the first place about 78% it’s because I don’t think that a saddle tank engine or tender engine like I like the black and purple linking on him looks cool I don’t think that’s bad like you give him 8 wheels like a small one and plus I used to grew up on Thomas as a kid but now I’m adult now like I growing matured well I watch some anime like dbz. Mha anime games and the list goes on I hope you like my opinion scorch Zane
I'm going to outright I think sodor legend of the Lost treasure is overrated don't get me wrong it's a good movie but my problem is that Thomas should know better not to mess around in the knapfordstation i watch the unlucky tug video about crash I really hate the fact that Thomas is the most accident-prone engine I know it is off topic the point I'm making is in season 19to 24 his character is always inconsistent sometimes he's a mature and sometimes in sodor legend of the Lost treasure he's the most accident-prone about give this movie this in the third act he did get better another problem is that Gordon could have had take the blame for Thomas instead of being a jerk he could have spoke up to Topham increase The preserves not Thomas's phone it's my fault I was teasing Thomas that he's a silly little tank engine that's one reason why I'm not a big fan of the Brenner era that much it's because that Gordon always portrayed as a jerk and grumpy character say what you will about the nitrogen era (I just want to make this clear I am not defending this era by any means but at least Gordon and Thomas were being bros every scene Lakeland Gordon helping Thomas fixing hiro for example And Gordon helping Thomas in snow track episode etc etcetera in the final problem is Sir topham hatt was kind of hard to Thomas the first and second scene I could sort of get why he's mad at Thomas but the third time he was kind of harsh Ryan could have said something to topham that he tried to get rid of the dynamite and I really don't like Ryan this movie I like him in season 20 but this movie is this a rehash a Stanley in the Great Discovery in fact the whole movie is this a rehash of great discovery I really really want to love this movie I want to love this movie just as much as many other people do I want to praise this movie I could really see why people really love this movie but in my opinion this movie is just okay I personally think that the Great Discovery executed way better than sodor legend of the Lost treasure but despite all the problems I still considered this movie to be good animation is stunning the music with Robert hartshorne is really good and you make the team together is a great song this movie is like a 7/10 movie
Okay, I'm only 2:30 seconds in, and their are 2 MAJOR issues with this video: 1. I'm sorry, but I've NEVER seen anyone blame Gordon solely for Thomas's crash at the beginning of the film. 2. WTF are you on about by saying Thomas's plotted the crash BEFORE Gordon's insult? Thomas's only plotted it AFTER Gordon insulted him. Furthermore, NO. Thomas never intended to crash the coaches and hurt people. His only intent was annoy Gordon a little by keeping the coaches away from him. He NEVER intended any of what happened when it happened. We're we even watching the same movie???
4:35 OKAY 3rd issue now: How was Thomas supposed to know about the dynamite incident beforehand? Tell me. DO YOU THINK THOMAS IS PSYCHIC OR SOMETHING??? Also, Thomas not telling Ryan about the bad coal makes sense, considering how, up to this point, Ryan portrays everything Thomas wished he could be at that moment. He probably still felt depressed at that time, and probably wasn't thinking about warning Ryan about the coal, till it was too late.
Now to address you, given your statement a few things. 1. Going in your point of how you see no one blaming Gordon either mean two things, 1 either you didn’t see videos where Gordon the one being punished (despite he only barked not bite and i guess what they are called SLOTLT haters are just among fanfics to punish Gordon and Topeka Hatt) or you’re haven’t even bother to search up terms like “Gordon gets in trouble SLOTLT” or even “Topham scolds Gordon”. 2. Ok where did I say that Thomas intended or plotted for it. How did I say he intended to do it, just because he did it trying to flip off Gordon, doesn’t mean he didn’t do it and I can’t shit on him for doing it or his later actions that can cause serious injury.💀 3. Thomas should’ve known that dynamite was being used, he’s in a fucking construction area. Knew or not that didn’t stop him from nearly endangering Ryan. 4. Really we’re going with the “he’s doing it out depression route”? That’s the excuse? Well depress people don’t do shit like what Thomas does, at least then at the end of the film he held himself accountable and telling Topham he was sorry, showing he has remorse in him. To say he’s depress to justify his actions, is just disgusting.
I never liked this film because of how both The Fat Controller and Thomas were characterised, coming off of Tale of the Brave where they both were mature enough to get on with what they’d do with themselves. I would have been a lot less bitter towards it if the conflict was between James and The Fat Controller and they’d both be butting heads, with James’ reasoning for starting it being because of him being sick of seeing the engines being blamed for accidents that would be out of their control, and The Fat Controller’s reactions to the accidents caused being the same as before and it coming to a boiling point the third time it happens as James would shout back at him, pointing out everything that’s wrong with him and unintentionally bringing his size into it and insulting him in the process. For me, it never really felt right to have the conflict be about Thomas learning to own up to his mistakes because Tale of the Brave already acknowledged his development in being mature while it showed James letting his ego get the better of him. They could have still done the treasure plot-line with Thomas and have the same story beats, but include James in it to take advantage of it and prove to The Fat Controller that he’s more than someone who whinges. Hell maybe even include Percy in it to add more to him proving how brave he is.
@@IronSteelRailroader I’m not against season 5, I’m just saying it wasn’t really that respectful to Awdry’s vision of Thomas, especially with episodes like Rusty and the Boulder.
If you want to see both sides of the argument, to find some kind of middle ground or understanding, here’s the links to two:
Was Sir Topham Hatt Right or Wrong by The Thomas Theorist; th-cam.com/video/Uz17kpjcoCQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=FB8ayp_PeEHlsE_j
The debate of SLOTLT by EverthingProductions2004; drive.google.com/file/d/1gIbK8tEc4dDj4jdgI0LPZvpmBJNABCZH/view
If you’re interested check out my discord server: discord.gg/PA6Z4Q3VqX
For those who don’t know what the boys comic is and want an understanding of it: th-cam.com/video/JyKliIF49JQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Hac91Hhzr59feOaz
Is this the surprise you were talking about? If so, then it’s a fantastic surprise! Thank you so much for including a link to that Google doc of that debate I made! I greatly appreciate it! I also love that you included Thomas Theorist’s video on the matter! I’ve seen it too, and it’s fantastic too!
@@everythingproductions2004bingo
@@ScorchZaneTrains Then thank you so much! I’m sure Thomas Theorist will be thankful too!
@@everythingproductions2004and so will I since I’m making a criticism video about these Topham haters.
@@joshuaW5621 Okay. That's fine. Just a word of advice, please be polite in how you give your criticism, okay?
I think the reason why people hate Thomas' characterization in the movie is because we are so used to Thomas being portrayed in a sympathetic light.
That's true at least in the current series, but if you look back in both the Railway Series books and a classic series, Thomas was a cheeky hot-headed prick. Yes, since series 5, he has grown and matured since then, but he still gets that big head from time to time.
@@jayheadley8061in a good way, but it’s all in good fun. But serisouly though I think series 5 Thomas is better than his earlier personalities
@@IronSteelRailroader That, we can definitely agree on.
@@jayheadley8061 Yep that we can, and I can say that the legends of the lost treasure could've been better in my opinion Thomas not being the main character and instead have an other engine take care of his services. and thomas as a humble peak and mature engine
@@IronSteelRailroader I definitely do see what you mean. I mean there were a few movies where Percy took the leading role. (Day of the Diesels and Tale of the Brave).
Which engine would you consider having the leading role in SLOTST instead of Thomas? I'd say Percy, but that's like a one trick pony. And I can't really see Rosie, Emily, James, Bill and Ben or Philip having that role either.
Also a lot of fans seem to speculate that this film is meant to take place after the Who's Geoffrey episode, which I can see myself, especially the way Sir Topham Hatt has treated Thomas in this film. (Understandable though minus the dynamite scene, but I digress.)
(Off topic)
I also remember Unlucky Tug saying that Gordon should have had the leading role in The Great race and I personally agree.
What Gordon did was nowhere near as bad as what Thomas did. The most I could’ve expected to see as a punishment for Gordon would be if the big engine snickered when Thomas was getting punished and the fat controller just glared at the big engine as a way of saying “shut up unless you want to be next”. But that’s as far as it should go. To drop them at one even have known that Gordon said anything so there would be no reason he would get in trouble
Exactly! And not to mention that topham is being a lot more lenient towards Thomas than these so called “Thomas defenders” think he is
@@brandonnixon2005bro's been lenient for like fucking 20 seasons he's got to reach his breaking point soon
Gordon did nothing that couldn't be referred to as "banter"
Thomas literally caused damage and reflected the blame and was very careless
The fat controller was just doing his job and only shouts at thomas when needed
Agree,Gordon is Innocent
Parents actually hated this movie because they said thomas was too dicky, yet, thats Thomas, he was a dick in the railway series
He was also a dick in the first 7 seasons as well.
Actually in the RWS after Book 30 (MATTTE) Thomas started being a little nicer and less rude and cocky. Same goes for season 3 where he also took a level in kindness and being a good source of advice and voice of reason. It wasn't till season 5 that his maturity reached it's peak. After the HIT takeover Thomas has been nothing but nice.
@dslade6559 That is true, he has grown and matured since series 5. I guess it just depends on the writer, to be honest. Looking back at it now, you were actually right about Thomas being a lot nicer after More about Thomas the Tank Engine when he was no longer mean to Percy. Even when he meets Bill and Ben for the first time, he doesn't seek vengeance towards them.
This is literally the same logic as people complaining that the movie forgets about Thomas and Gordon’s alliance from Down the Mine despite it practically becoming non existent since season 5.
Lots of Karen moms think that all children's entertainment should be "cute" and "funny".
i will NOT take this gordon slander.
Thank you for standing up for gordon.
#JusticeForGordon
And #JusticeForSTH too.
Poor Gordon, he's strongly disliked in the Brenner era. 😔
@@RailwayEnthusiastOfficial The problem is is that they push gordons "big engines" ethic and push aside the other characteristics of gordon
@@denisdoobe I couldn't say it better myself. 🥲
Personally I think Thomas is portrayed perfectly in this film. Yes ideally they should keep the Thomas and Gordon alliance going, but the CGI series seems to keep a status quo that Gordon is prideful and Thomas is cheeky and impulsive. So given that context I feel like this is exactly how they would react to one another
This is exactly why status quo is the bane of my existence.
@@stirlingno.1296 Had to maintain traits to characters you know.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967
At the cost of them never developing beyond those archetypes, noooooo thank you.
Yeah also they also featured their alliance in a few hit and miller episodes like Thomas and the runaway car and Snow tracks just to name a few
@cinnamonmantrainsareawesom7224 To be honest, I feel those were only episodes where their alliance was actually shown.
I remember saying once, “don’t blame the characters, blame the writers.” This film is a good example of that.
Yeah ngl as much brenner made Thomas peek this was kinda where a blame can be shifted to
@ScorchZane I have a confession.
I used to think the same way as the people who hated STH and Gordon. But I saw your video and my opinion was completely changed for the better.
Thank you for opening my eyes and seeing the bigger picture.
I’m sure the higher ups at Mattel are mostly to blame for what they made the writers do.
Please don’t give the Thomas "Defenders" Any more ideas.......
@@Kyranyoutubevids great, now Andrew Brenner’s probably gonna get undeserved hate and we’d probably have to start calling the Brenner era something else if this is the reason people started calling the Miller era Nitrogen era.
Finally someone got it out there. Also just to add to the bit about Sir Topham Hatt, lots of the events in season 19 happen at the same time. This means several episodes at the same time and some shortly before this movie. Some even happen at the same time as the first parts of the movie such as in Best Engine Ever Marion is at the yards as she's heading up to the construction site. The railway being extremely busy as well as several accidents and engines having been out of service, no wonder Sir Topham Hatt would be so stressed and when Thomas makes it worse, he has every right to be angry.
I will NOT take this Gordon and sir topham hatt slander
Thanks you for standing up both of them
15:12 also this is my first cameo
Yeah because I think James was the one who tricked Thomas into playing pranks on Gordon by derailing the express. However, Sir Topham Hatt misunderstood Thomas' act of saving Ryan from a disastrous situation while helping out with the construction of the Harwick Branch Line (where Arthur works to this day in my headcanon) until one day when Thomas succeeded in helping the police to capture Sailor John for stealing the precious treasure.
This is why i dislike Sir topham hatt in this movie.
@@JellytoyProductions me too
What does James have to do with any of this
@@LukeOfSodor22 I don’t know
@@JellytoyProductions oh grow up
It's very confusing and intriguing to see that everyone thinks Gordon deserved punishment and that Sir Topham Hatt should have apologized to Thomas for the way he was treating him, *but the person who deserved the punishment was Thomas himself, who caused much more damage when it could have turned into a tragedy*
Facts but I hated how he tried to blame Emily. Grow up bro
The idea of Ryan taking Thomas's role in the film was actually an idea I came up with in a rewrite of that film. And also in that rewrite, Thomas would take a dislike to Ryan due to his cocky attitude, which he was supposed to have, but began to soften up to Ryan once he learned why he was so cocky and encouraged him to redeem himself.
To this day, when I first watched Sodor, legend of the lost treasure I still do not like it when people defend Thomas when the movie came out I still think Gordon was in the right for being mad at him for being reckless with his coaches plus he didn’t do anything wrong. He was just standing there short, call him a little tank and that’s one thing but it was just a joke. I’m pretty sure he was joking.and Sir Topham hat was totally in the right for scolding and Thomas because he was being irresponsible and blaming his friends for the matter wasn’t helping anything so the only person they should be mad at in the movie is Thomas himself because he was the one who caused everything
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I just saw another video that looks at both sides between Topham and Thomas and I have to agree Thomas was in the wrong…Topham finally losing his temper can be explained by The Boy Who Cried Wolf…Thomas kept making excuses and Topham had heard enough…at the end he simply tried to apologize rather than passing the blame
Gordon's so misunderstood in the fandom. 😔 He didn't deserve the treatment he was given in the Brenner or BWBA era. 😞
yeah honestly the hate he gets is unfair
@ScorchZane I think you could trace it all back to his up and down character in Series 1.
Most people watch the first three episodes or so and write him off as mean, proud, and heartless. And then they just don't give any of his other episodes a chance.
@@RailwayEnthusiastOfficial at this point they shouldn't even speak, if they only had seen one season.
@@ScorchZaneTrains Well, many people think that Henry died in the tunnel, or never made it out, when Sir Topham Hatt himself, let Henry out in the very next episode! 😔
So, this isn't much different from that. 🤷🏼♂
@@RailwayEnthusiastOfficial at this point since the two parallel each other they might as well not be Thomas fans
Just shows how silly many people pick sides (pinning the blame) it’s pretty straight forward.
Dang people said they needed to be accurate to the source material then they get mad when they are accurate to the source material
@@SparklingJam guess some people aren’t easy to please.
@@ScorchZaneTrainstrust me I’m also in the sonic fandom 😭
The only way I can see Gordon Getting punished
Is if He buffers up to thomas pushes him and shoves him off the rails
Yeah and it would’ve giving Thomas a nose bleed, a Black eye, A missing tooth and a broken Lamp
Sometime within the past week, I tried searching up Sir Topham Hatt memes on DeviantArt, and as I scrolled down, I gradually got more spam copy-paste Fill-in memes slandering him in the movie. It got to a point where I quit faster than my Grandpa quit Thomas and the Magic Railroad. To say that this isn't an opinion anymore, just straight up hated is the understatement of the century.
@@captainbaxter723 everything the slander says is an understatement
@ScorchZaneTrains How long did you go scrolling before quitting?
far too long mate far too long
I see Thomas and Gordon as frenemies sometimes. :P
I always think that SLOTLT was the boiling point for Sir Topham Hatt to finally think that he should one day put his foot down on Thomas' shenanigans when Thomas goes way too far with his high degree of stupidity, eagerness or arrogance.
Usually I think any of the first engines that Topham would put his foot down on would be either Thomas, James, Gordon or maybe Diesel.
1 thing I wish that could've been mentioned in the movie was that Thomas could've brought up that he was the first one to find the pirate ship in the sinkhole not Rocky.
Thomas could've blamed Gordon since he was being a pompous turd to him about tender engines not shunting.
Topham has had far worse moments when it comes to running his railway or things that his engines didn't cause whether it was something that wasn't out of his or her control or caused by someone else out of spite, sabotage and for revenge.
Examples:
Middle Engine
Misty Island rescue
Steam Team to the rescue
Slippy Sodor
Can dynamite be transported by train?
Ive only seen gunpowder being delivered by those black cylinder trucks on the SKR and fireworks in vans in "Thomas and the firework display".
1:40 This never gets old 🤣🤣
1:48 "HUH?!" 🤣
But in all seriousness though, I do agree with you. I hate how Andrew Brenner written Thomas and Gordon as bitter enemies
Me too. In the classic series Henry was the one Thomas had the most arguments with but since S8 when they turned Henry into a big wimpy softie they decided to make Gordon the only big engine Thomas quarrels with.
Where's their alliance, and all that talk of 'helping each other'? Did it just....never happen? 🤔
@@RailwayEnthusiastOfficial it happened in The Railway Series story and classic model series episode Down the Mine
@@dylanlyles9453 I know, I was just being sarcastic. It *did* happen, but Brenner doesn't seem to remember. 😕
This has to be the most satisfying video I have ever seen.
I wish thomas and gordon's rivaly ended ln this
So do I. Whatever happened to "United We Stand, Together We Fall. You Help Me And I'll Help You"? 💙💙 🚂 🚂
Also, I think the reason several fans hated the fat controller in the movie was because up to that point the fat controller was a joke in episodes so I think seeing him punished Thomas and getting really cross with him is the reason why everybody turned but that’s what I just think.
Here's my take. Gordon was being pompous as per usual to Thomas. The tension between them that was building up FOR YEARS finally exploded. Gordon did owe Thomas an apology and fix his way but Thomas CHOSE to do what he did and what's even worse is he tried to pin the blame on Emily a totally innocent character in this situation. And the reason I'm mad at Thomas is the fact he was able to let Gordon a character who remained the same for years get under his skin causing him to do smth like that showed me he didn't mature at all 🤦♂️.
yeah
The fact that Thomas and Gordon’s alliance is nonexistent in the CGI series, in addition to the fact that the crews hardly speak, are my two big gripes about the latter half of the show.
Their alliance has been broken since season 5.
@@joshuaW5621I would disagree
@@IronSteelRailroaderdon’t believe me? Watch Gordon and the Gremlin and Snow. Gordon calls Thomas lazy in the former when his train is delayed.
@@joshuaW5621 I know bro it’s an opinion, but it can be inconsistent
@@joshuaW5621 and no. I didn’t say I don’t believe you
You really got every point across the whole spectrum, I'm tired of all the hate this movie gets because of Thomas being a cocky jerk, which is accurate to the RWS and first two seasons of the TV series, and Sir Topham Hatt just DOING HIS JOB as an authority figure!
I bet the Topham haters are the same people who claim that the show is authoritarian and that he mistreats the engines.
@@joshuaW5621 And I myself think that it was because of these people that Sir Topham Hatt became more of a comedic foil from Season 19 onwards.
To be fair, the dynamite wouldn't have lit up if they were in vent vans, not open wagons! Come on Brenner You're better than that!
So it’s basically the workmen’s fault because they didn’t put the dynamite in vent vans.
They’ve been relying too much on open wagons ever since season 5.
@@KyranyoutubevidsHas the show ever delivered explosive goods in vans before besides fireworks in S8?
I've only seen that on the SKR and MSR.
Hot take: I actually think Thomas still being cheeky even after his whole maturity arc in this movie COULD have worked!
Just hear out on this:
As much as we usually hate to admit it, we've all sometimes acted out-of-character at least once in our lives.
So maybe Thomas, at the start of the special, could receive a compliment from another character, perhaps Edward or Percy. They say "Thomas, you've come a long way since you first worked on the island. You're one of the bravest and smartest engines here."
Thomas is initially pleased and grateful, responding with a humble, “Thank you, that means a lot.”
Later on, however, Thomas reflects on the compliment. He begins to worry, thinking, “What if I mess up and go back to being the old Thomas? What if I disappoint everyone?”
This paranoia eventually causes him to make mistakes again, much to his dismay. Sir Topham Hatt reprimands him, saying "Thomas, what’s gotten into you? You know better than this.” which reinforces Thomas’s fear of reverting to his old ways.
After being reprimanded, Thomas talks to a trusted friend. He confesses, “I was so worried about disappointing everyone and becoming my old self again that I made everything worse.”
His friend reassures him, “Thomas, everyone makes mistakes. You’ve grown so much, and one mistake doesn’t undo that. Just be yourself.”
And so, with renewed confidence, Thomas approaches his tasks with a clear mind, balancing his natural cheekiness with the maturity he’s developed.
He takes responsibility for his earlier mistakes and stops Sailor John, showing his growth. And Sir Topham Hatt is once again proud of him.
There! What do you think?
@@worthybutter2004 honestly I like the idea, him having a balance between cheeky (because he likes to be humorous rather then out of spite), but still having the maturity makes him more like he’s a characters that progresses.
Honestly I wish the film did that to justify Thomas’ cheekiness
@@ScorchZaneTrains Yeah, me too. Why couldn’t we have gotten THAT movie? It would’ve sent a really good message to kids and grown ups about how growth is a continuous process, and making mistakes doesn’t erase past progress.
@@worthybutter2004 otherwise the film was ok
@@ScorchZaneTrains Indeed!
And plus they’ve been breaking his alliance with Gordon since season 5.
Yeah the more I look into it. Thomas is just an ass in the movie. The first accident was his fault and the second. The third was somewhat his fault but at least he tried to fix his situation. When I first watched this movie, I knew Thomas was acting reckless here. Yeah Gordon could have been like shuten up by Topham but Thomas fucked up 3 times and Everytime he did, Topham would get angry immediately. Its understandable but the 3rd mess up is still mix in my opinion.
Is it just me, or does Thomas and Sir topham hatt kinda remind me of kevin and peter mccalister. Both have a father son dynamic relationship in their respective films, both kevin and thomas are extremely childish and foolish in the beginning of hte films, which reachs a breaking point where they are more or less sent away in disgrace, before redeeming themselves by saving something from a robber no less.
After you said it, I am imagining Thomas saying Kevin’s line from Home Alone:
"You guys give up or your thirsty for more?"
a good comparison to this movie would be the original Toy Story from 1995, In that film Woody tries to get rid of Buzz and sucseedes in a way he didn't expect, that causes the other toys to turn on him, that's almost exactly what happened here, Thomas takes the express away from Gordon and then crashes the express and Topham get's mad at him. I don't know if anyone else has made this comparison before but I rewatched Toy Story recently and in my head I was like "this is almost like Lost Treasure"
Yeah and guess one:
No one complained about it!
It's just so unfair, Gordon and Sir Topham Hatt are only just doing their job. Like yeah The Fat Controller could have scolded Gordon about not talking bad about other engines and that's it. BUT THAT IS NO EXCUSE OF SAYING "It'S gOrDoN's FaUlT aNd SiR tOpHaM HaTt Is BeInG mEaN tO tHoMaS... Blah blah blah" GROW UP!!!! IT IS CLEARLY THOMAS'S FAULT AND THESE THOMAS DEFENDERS SHOULD HAVE ACCEPTED!!!!! God I wish they should re-watch the film again and now that it is Thomas's fault not Gordon's and Sir Topham Hatt is only doing his job. The Fandom is not the same as it was 😔
Yeah, the fandom's a joke.
i thought this video was about the ryan one where thomas saves ryan but topham thought he was tryna assasinate ryan
Nevermind
*Cough* *Cough* Disaster Maker 2.0 *Cough* *Cough*
Can't blame Fat Hatt for being pissed with Thomas with how stupid he was acting. And while Gordon may have been being a jerk, it was still Thomas who caused the accident as he chose to screw around with the coaches so Thomas is 100% at fault for the accident at Knapford Junction.
I think the writers are 100% fault for this special.
Speaking of the dynamite, thomas technically wasted valuable materials for the project so i can see why topham would be mad. SORRY IF YOU CAN'T SEE THAT HATERS AND SLANDERERS!!!!!!!
Facts bro
Those fake Thomas fans will never understand what it’s like being Sir Topham Hatt.
@@joshuaW5621 indeed
This is beyond the best video I've ever seen
Thomas deserved it. He kept lying and putting blame on others. Sure Gordon’s comment was rude, but that was just that, a rude comment. Gordon didn’t tell Thomas to move the coaches across the mainline, Thomas shunted the coaches himself, it was Thomas’s actions. Thomas blamed others and after the mineshaft incident he did it again. Sure, no one stood up for Thomas after the Dynamite incident, but that’s on everyone else for not speaking, not Topham. And as for Topham, he was angry the first two times because Thomas was lying, and the third time Topham saw Thomas chase Ryan with lit dynamite, so he didn’t get the full picture, and since Thomas had lied to Topham twice in the same movie, Topham doesn’t believe Thomas. To quote another Thomas user (TTTE Guy), this is a boy who cried wolf situation. Thomas lied the first two times and the third time no one believes him. And even then Thomas damaged/lost railway property THREE TIMES, that stuff is expensive to get. And the reason why Thomas is forgiven at the end is because 1. Thomas owned up to his mistakes and 2. Thomas did the right thing.
It's basicly the 3 strikes formula done right
Opinion respected! and I’m surprised that Thomas didn’t go full William afton/purple guy from five nights at freddy’s in this situation
Ty for standing up for grand engine #justiceforgordonandsirtophamhatt .
Thx for including me in a cameo :D
👍🏾
I still think Thomas was out of character.
I mean this behavior would be correct if it took place during season one/the early railway series books but this takes place decades after and that’s the problem.
They just retconned decades of character development which messes the whole timeline up.
It's fine and Thomas is perfectly in character which Andrew Brenner did perfectly in terms of cheeky and everything that makes Thomas who he is even after development. Besides, owning up to mistakes is something never focused on before.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 Yeah but could he have done the "owning up to mistakes and admitting when you're wrong" in a story that takes place BEFORE Thomas developed as a character?
Then it would feel natural. This feels like a retcon.
You can clearly blame Andrew Brenner for this Thomas vs Gordon scenario. It says on a page on DeviantArt by CrovanWorks he has some animosity for Gordon and wants us to believe he was at fault for Thomas' accident with the express coaches and when STH is telling off Thomas Gordon gives a smug smirk which emphasizes Brenner's attempt to convince us that Gordon is in the wrong and Thomas is in the right, when that is obviously not true. Thomas was being silly by making Gordon late and pushing his coaches out across the station points through a red signal and derailing them. It's just Brenner's way of showcasing Thomas as the main character being the innocent victim and Gordon as the antagonist when it's clearly the other way around. So in reality it's really Thomas' fault here, not Gordon's.
That’s his theory. It hasn’t been confirmed that Brenner hates Gordon and enjoys antagonising him.
@@joshuaW5621Well yes your right and that may be true but I'm only going by with what I read on CrovanWorks' post. It could be just his opinion or, like you said, it can't really be certain Gordon is hated by Brenner.
The thomas defenders are literally 4 year olds (not all of them)
Might as well be the case
@@ScorchZaneTrains I can confirm however that they're also Loud House fans on the side
@@captainbaxter723 …..
FAKE THOMAS FANS-
Gordon bro was just chilling man.. He didn’t want to cause trouble but Thomas went ahead and started it. 😭
Anyways good video, 100% agree
Tbh I’m in the same boat as you about the silly little tank engine part
it’s mainly an excuse to criticize Gordon
My mans Gordon and STH was done dirty. To those who slander Gordon, I hope you find some brain cells
You know, the more I think about it, the more I think SLOTLT could have worked if *Oliver* was in Thomas' place. Like, this could have occurred when he was new to Sodor. While he may have been humbled by his accident in the Turntable Well, he could still be a little overconfident.
And perhaps when he returned to service, he had to serve time in the Big Station in order to learn patience and either Gordon or Henry teases him about his accident which causes him to derail the Express coaches. Fearing the worst, Oliver tries to cover it up by blaming the other engines, but the Fat Controller hears none of Oliver's excuses and orders him to help with the construction on the Harwick Branch Line in Duck's place while Duck goes back to running the Little Western.
This idea still has a few things to tweak, but I think it could work.
honestly not a bad idea
@@ScorchZaneTrains You like?
@@eslm-studios2996 yeah
@@ScorchZaneTrains Glad to hear.
Honestly, the way I see it, I feel that both Thomas and Gordon were in the wrong from the first time I saw the film. We all know Gordon is a pompous prick, that is pretty much his character through and through and we all know Thomas is a cheeky git since the books and the early seasons of the show. Thomas started it by calling Gordon lazy to begin with, so of course Gordon is going to bite back by being so smug about his position and calling Thomas a silly little Tank Engine. And although I can relate to Thomas's frustration, that still doesn't justify him derailing the Express Coaches, even if it was accidental. Also, I believe that Thomas was more in the wrong for not taking accountability for his actions with both the coaches and caven, but with the Dynamite situation, Thomas shouldn't have started the sentence with "It's not my fault" which of course Sir Topham Hatt is going to shut him up for that, I honestly wish Ryan and the Pack would back Thomas up, even though he caused this in the first place by giving Ryan the bad coal, but he still managed to redeem himself by preventing everyone from getting blown up. Even though his bigger redemption by trying to stop Sailor John was a lot more impactful.
As for Sir Topham Hatt, he was just doing his job, nothing big to say about it, it's what I'd expect from him when I first heard about this film. I may have had gripes with the Fat Controller in the past when he always blames engines for shit that was beyond their control. But in this one, it was a lot more justifiable for once. I understood his frustration when Thomas derailed Gordon's coaches and the Caven scene as well, I was a bit annoyed when STH ignored Thomas when he was trying to tell him about the pirate ship, but I get that it's just him being tired of Thomas' bullshit.
And his outburst in the dynamite scene while a bit over the top at first glance, it's was more understandable when you rewatch it. From his perspective, he thought Thomas has gone insane planning to kill Ryan with the dynamite, so of course he was going to lose his shit. All and all, I still enjoy the film, I'd say it was the most highly anticipated film throughout the Brenner era next to Tale of the Brave and The Adventure Begins. This is the only film where both Thomas and Sir Topham Hatt are in full character since the RWS books and the classic series.
Personally, the issue i have with the Fat Controller in this movie is not that he punishes Thomas, but rather HOW he punishes Thomas. Instead of explaining why what he did was wrong, he just straight up says to him "Shut up, Thomas. What you did was stupid and that's the end of it!"
Like, what sort of message is that?! That parents should not be parents and explain to their child why whatever they’re doing is potentially reckless?
Also, the part where he tells off Thomas for, from his perspective, attempting to kill Ryan could’ve been done better if once Topham finishes yelling at Thomas, we see a glint of sadness on his face for a few seconds, before he sighs, quickly reverts back to looking cross and leaves without another word. That, in my opinion, would add some nuance to the scene, showing us that deep down, Topham feels guilty for treating his No.1 engine like that, even if he sees it as the right thing to do.
Because i know some parents out there who feel bad for scolding their children, regardless of whether they deserved it or not. It just fucking HURTS for them to do so! It would’ve added so much to this movie if Brenner thought of this idea.
Oh, and also, i would have a scene where Ryan tells Topham the truth. I know it happens in the movie, but we never really get to see it, we're just told that he does, so in my version we do see it happen.
Then later on, after Thomas finally stops Sailor John and is rescued from the sea, it's a moment where both Thomas AND Topham get to apologise to each other, although it is acknowledged that it's mostly Thomas who needs to say sorry.
There! What do you think?
@@worthybutter2004 That would have been so much better and more impactful.
@@jayheadley8061 Thanks, glad you agree! I honestly don't think we've ever seen a Thomas story where the Fat Controller says sorry to his engines for scolding them. Yeah, i know half of the time, he's justified in doing so, but what if, just for once, he isn't?
The closest i can think of is the Series 5 episode "Cranky Bugs" where he thinks Thomas and Percy weren't helping Cranky, but later on when Cranky confesses that it was the other way round, he murmurs to himself "I owe those engines an apology."
It's not much, but it does help to show how even authority figures like Topham aren't always correct.
@@worthybutter2004 Definitely, that's was of negative with Sir Topham Hatt as a whole. Cranky Bugs and Percy Gets it Right were the only times he ever apologised.
i can agree that Thomas has always been that in his past and to here because he's been a rude young teenager, and I see why, sir topham hatt is telling him that he is being the rudest child but I'm mad at Gordon too, Not because of this or In SLOTLT, but He completely Forgot His Moto to Thomas (Which was back in both Gordon's RWS Book and Even in the Nitrogen Era for goodness sake) I feel that Edward should have remind Gordon that he did make a Moto promise to Thomas that they would have their alliance (Thats teh real reason why i see Gordon and Thomas as like Children since they forget their Moto to each other and not like how people would say Thomas should snap at Gordon and Sir Topham Hatt)
Good video! Lesson of the story kids, don’t give a dime about what people say. I just wanna point out that this movie is fine in my opinion as a part the cgi canon, a different canon to both the models and books.
@@levidarling5107 To me, the timeline splits after season 18, like Thomas theorist says
I’m currently making a criticism video on the Topham haters so it pleases me to see that even you are backing us up on this subject too.
Good luck man
It's been 6 months, how's the progress going?
@ terrible. I haven’t even started work on it cause the motivation hasn’t been in me. Maybe in 2025 I’ll finally do it (hopefully).
@@joshuaW5621 if you wanna make a critics video about the topham haters don't inclued me because another user order me to eleminate my coments
@ well as long as you stop commenting about it we should be good.
I like this kind like idea, this would be a perfect of if there was a book about Ryan in the railway series, and I imagine this would be kinda like the Railway Series book of Movie
13:59
honestly thats what I was going for if I were to create my own take of the film
That’s why I prefer The Adventure Begins.
Yeah, me too.
Me three
Well, Thomas and Gordon could still have banter from time to time with their main traits and all despite being allies so I don't see any problem with that in CGI Brenner era. Besides, SLOTLT is perfect for Thomas in the main protagonist role and that he learns how to own up for his mistakes which in the classic series never shows despite maturity arc and that regardless, he is still cheeky as it's part of who he is and that never changes. Hopefully you understand that, ScorchZane.
Even if he was cheeky it wouldn’t be to this extreme, otherwise that would’ve happened in the books as well (like yeah he and Gordon tease from time to time mainly because that’s how friends are sometimes, they just mess around).
But it’s hard to really like this take of Thomas when he went not giving a crap in season two to worrying about his passengers in like say season 5. I also don’t like how Ryan is just a nice guy (like yeah not every engine has to be bad, but him being nice felt like trying to justify Thomas’ actions(
@@ScorchZaneTrains I heard that Ryan, in the original script for the movie, was actually portrayed as being "overconfident and dismissive", instead of the nice dude he was in the final film.
@@worthybutter2004 honestly would pay for him to take Thomas’ role with that characterization
Well at least those Thomas 'Defenders' didn’t go as far as to Defend Norman Price From Fireman Sam and Slander Cgi Norman, Mattel and HIT Entertainment.
Plus this alliance of theirs has been broken since season 5 anyway.
0:08 WOOOOOOOOOOOOO I MADE MY FIRST CAMEO!!!!!!
0:34 ¡¡¡me too!!!!
Excellent video, ScorchZane! As much I don't like Thomas, Gordon and The Fat Controller in this movie, I do hate the hatedom of Gordon and Topham much more! They treat their opinions like fact when they shouldn't! No, scratch that! Opinions shouldn't be treated as fact, period! Now, to the Topham and Gordon haters/Thomas defenders, here's my message to you. It's fine to hate Topham and Gordon and defend Thomas, but only if you are kind in how you give your criticism and respect the opinions of those that defend Topham and Gordon and think Thomas is wrong, making the punishments he gets justified! It's not just about what you say. It's also about how you say it. And yeah, when you take your hate of something in fictional media to the level those fanfiction and video makers ScorchZane mentioned did, it gets annoying, and you become bad as a result. Also, it's been eight years since Sodor's Legend of The Lost Treasure came out, so the hate is also old news. So yeah. It's fine to hate Topham and Gordon and defend Thomas, but only if you go about in a respectful way and respect the opinions of the defenders. That's what I've done, and will continue to do: have my opinions and respect different points of view on the matter.
they could at least not put too much hatred onto Gordon
@@ScorchZaneTrains Exactly! Like I said, too much hatred results in the bad fan fictions and videos you mentioned. And let's be real. Hate art is a waste of time
The fact they’re still being petty after the biggest people in the fandom people like the Unlucky Tug and Thomas Theorist defended Topham’s behaviour is just so embarrassing to me.
@@joshuaW5621 I know. As much as I find some things The Unlucky Tug does questionable, at least he’s nowhere near the level of those haters
Well I am on Thomas’s side
#JUSTICEFORGORDONANDTOPPAHAM
Ok Gordon should've had some punishment, but not as big as thomas as it was thomas' fault.
For my ideal Visiting big engine who instigated Ryan: She is a newly built LMS rebuilt patriot in a midland red livery and her name is Erika. Also she is sorta the inspiration for the Unknown Warrior.
Edit: I don’t know why I inserted my OC here but I just have a lot of ideas.
Nah nah it can work actually
Appreciated. Unrelated but where did you find the Thomas style Cipher theme?
@@FictionalADDONmusic is in the description
Thanks for that and if I wanted to continue with Erika’s character, I would make her a protagonist in The Great Race to give us a different side to her than being an arrogant snob.
In almost the end of the movie I think should of happen if sir fat hat secretly put a remote control on Thomas and control him to fall in the mine and use a big boulder with the help of a bulldozer and drop the boulder in the mine which could kill Thomas which will be bad but funny to sir fat hat but not to the engines
That's why most of this fanbase is full of oversensitive manchildren! It's also why I hate the TV series, Post-S5 because they made it just to appeal to babies and sadly, many of the adult fans of those grew up with a baby-like mind and will throw a fit and cry over the slightest bit of negative negativity and in Thomas, they expect some form of justice over a minor bit of mockery!
@@imoldsquarewheels695 tbh not all the TVS was bad, season 1-3 were decent
@@ScorchZaneTrainsThat's why I said I hate Post-S5. The first five seasons were when I started watching the series. But once Season 8 came around, I was done because Thomas wasn't meant to be a baby show.
@@imoldsquarewheels695 I see what you mean and tbh I can’t blame you
the only 2 thing
1. thomas in the dynamite scene: i feel that you can't blame thomas for letting ryan the bad coal because is like blaming henry's driver for letting henry crash in the flying kipper when we all know that ice and snow cause the accident and the same thing with this scene thomas was say "really not my fault" meaning that he was telling the true that the bad coal cause this but topham it's just to angry for the 3th time thomas said that.
2. is there any episode that topham realises that thomas actually found the ship that i missed?
if there is something that i was wrong in the first thing just tell me
1. Glad we can come to an understanding
2. I don’t think so
@@ScorchZaneTrains i still wondering why topham thought that thomas did not found the ship if both thomas and the ship are inside the pit when topham arrived with emily and rocky
well frustration can blind one's view to see or to know the details
@@ScorchZaneTrains i forgot 1 more thing
why after thomas fall into the pit and after send to be reapair why they didn't clean him?
@@juanserena3221 simple they were in a rush
Gordon's role could go to an LNER B17 named Hendricks
And Thomas's role could be taken by James
@@JosephRailwayStudios2000i can imagine James yelling "COME BACK WITH THAT TREASURE!!!"
@@Kyranyoutubevids That would be a good idea
I think these Thomas defenders are just bullshitters They haven’t even watched the movie. They just decided to blame Gordon on everything. When Gordon did nothing wrong, but just told Thomas to hurry up dude he was just telling him to hurry up so he couldn’t be late
They probably aren’t even real Thomas fans considering they don’t understand the characters and their situations either.
Blaming Gordon for Thomas derailing the express is like blaming him for Sir Handel pretending to be ill and getting Peter Sam hit with the trucks in Trucks.
And plus, we need the movie to be in-character too! Thomas and Gordon was always like this!
@@EngelFundamentalEducation Yes and no. Yes, they were like that in the beginning, but as the series progressed, they eventually came to respect each other more and even form an alliance.
But this movie just completely ignores all of that and reverts them back to how they interacted at the start. And it sucks to watch.
@@worthybutter2004their alliance has frequently been broken since season 5. It’s not exclusive to this movie.
3:58 goofy ahh yell
12:53 WHAT DO YOU MEAN Thomas in at his full on classic Thomas mode cheeky and rude
Did you forget his maturity arc?
@@ScorchZaneTrains no I know his maturity arc. But I'm going to assume that since it was the 70th anniversary special. They want to make Thomas more cheeky. Like he was with the railway series
@@ScorchZaneTrainstbf there isn’t anything wrong with Thomas still being cheeky years after the classic era. He does still act cheeky from time to time.
@@joshuaW5621 that’s your opinion
@@ScorchZaneTrainsand I respect your opinion.
Is it me or does the thumbnail of the video look like a teaser for a thomas fan film where Gordon and Thomas are being enemies for a accident that they did not cause or involved with and some mean engines think it is sir topham hatt’s fault and the fat controller is trying to figure out who is responsible for the accident and who is right and who is wrong
Ngl it does seem like thta
Well the video will be premiered when i sleeping womp womp
Finally, someone gets it
Hay Scorch. How's work on the Timothy The Ghost Train video going? Please respond when you get this please.
busy
That I can agree for a long time
all right i still wonder a way to contact with andrew brenner about well i'll be honest i mention 3 thing with you but i want to say to him about the idea of thomas causing trouble and lying saying that it not his fault well topham well let me explain about topham he sents thomas to the new branchlie to teach thomas a lesson but it's a bad idea? well i also need to know if topham knew that thomas did found the ship and also that the bad coal cause to lose dynamite well i guess it did talk to ryan and i wanna guess if the ship descovery was thomas why in the film is not mention after thomas said sorry at topham for what he did all the time did topham knew something about the ship descovery or not? just awnser
Nobody was in the express Coaches?
railway stuff who are spread out in the yard: am I a joke to you?
@@ScorchZaneTrainsand I’m confused that Thomas’s driver and fireman were driving Thomas in the knapford incident and sir topham hatt didn’t scold them for stopping Thomas so both the knapford and cavern incidents are basically Thomas’s driver and fireman’s fault because they didn’t stop Thomas causing an accident or crash, and the workmen didn’t put a sheet over the trucks to stop the dynamite igniting and the dynamite scene is basically the workmen’s fault.
I’m not mad I’m just wondering
@@Kyranyoutubevids yes all three would’ve been held accountable
@@ScorchZaneTrainsCan dynamite be transported by train?
I've only seen explosive substances and objects being delivered in vans, tankers and 7 planks.
We have those black cylinder trucks for gunpowder on the SKR, black and yellow tankers for fuel and oil, barrels on 7 planks and flatbeds, and vans for fireworks in "Thomas and the firework display".
Has there been a time in the show that had different types of explosive materials, substances and objects being transported in different types of trucks?
@@jeremiahsisaias8677 good question
i sorry for been 3 month late about this but in part where you mention about thomas and gordon's dynamic you didn't mention about topham because i didn't like his dynamic i wish topham's role could've to a guy he hires to help with the railway It doesn't matter who it is, it can be a new character and be the one who It is strict with the main character just to kept topham's arc consistent but you now si his job but only because i didn't liked topham in that film
I dont have any strong hatred to gordon im just annoyed when he (and every other engine) teases someone else
Look, the videos I did were to not to be taken seriously. This arguing needs to stop. SLOTLT Fans and Haters have been fighting for plenty of years, they need to handle what they praise or not to themselves. Like, I know I’m a SLOTLT Hater, but the videos are not to be taken seriously to SLOTLT fans. They need to quit arguing about what fans and haters think of the film. But they keep on bashing on each other. To tell you this, I’m not doing SLOTLT content anymore. I’m doing other stuff. (I’m not being rude, but I can’t stand fights. Do you know what I mean?)
if they are to stop, so would the people who slander Gordon, and it’s kind hard not to especially when they are full of hatred just because a big usages called a small tanker a “silly little engine”.
(perhaps it’s better you don’t make those videos if you’re gonna slander Gordon).
@@ScorchZaneTrains I'm not doing SLOTLT content anymore. Remember? Why would I continue ever since June 2023?
@@ScorchZaneTrains Simple question: Is that constructive criticism?
@@colinlayton9114 up to you
@@ScorchZaneTrains What I'm gonna do is set my SLOTLT vids private. I'm doing this because I don't want to get in trouble with SLOTLT Fans.
Honestly, I don’t really care about that whole argument anymore, I’ll be honest with you, the CGI series it’s not my thing, I would rather go with the models and the railway
I agree they’re kinda better than CGI ngl
@@ScorchZaneTrains CGI did some things way better than models like more focus on Thomas and Edward's friendship, Annie, Clarabel, Henrietta and Toad getting more focus on their characters and adapting Small Railway Engines that would've been impossible with models so Thomas looks great in CGI style.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 still didn’t help most of it sucked tho, otherwise I somewhat agree to some extent
@@ScorchZaneTrains tbh i consider seasons 1-3 the only great model seasons as for me while seasons 4-5 where good they where mid
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 only good thing abotut S4-5 is the crashes
that is true
What if Those Toxic Thomas Defenders’s Reactions to The Sad Story Of Henry because Sir Topham Hatt walled Henry In a tunnel, and Norman Price Being butchered into an Arsonist in the Cgi Series of Fireman Sam by HIT Entertainment, And Mattel, And The Banana Splits and The Cattanooga Cats being Butchered as Killer Robots and Criminals in the Banana Splits Horror Movie and Jellystone By Warner Bros, Syfy and HBO Max, And the toxic banana splits fandom making torture or tf or killed or Pibby art out of the banana splits, and also shipping Fleegle and Drooper when they are cousins, (Sorry if I’m H0m0ph0b1c) And even a certain devianart user shipping herself with Bingo from the Banana Splits when it Z00ph1la, And Warner Bros never releasing the Banana Splits in hocus pocus park on DVD same with season 2 of the banana splits and the 2008 reboot.
And started "defending" Henry, Norman Price, The Banana Splits and The Cattanooga Cats and start slandering Cgi Norman/Satan Price, Mattel, HIT Entertainment, Warner Bros, Syfy, HBO Max, Sir Topham Hatt, The Horror Movie Banana Splits, The Jellystone Banana Splits, The Jellystone Cattanooga Cats, The Pibby Fandom, And The toxic Banana splits and Cattanooga cats fandom and even goes as far as making torture art out of Warner Bros, The Toxic Banana Splits Fandom, The Jellystone Banana Splits, The Jellystone Cattanooga Cats, The Horror Movie Banana Splits, Syfy, HBO Max, And Sir Topham Hatt?
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What if That actually happened? And what would everyone’s reaction would be?
They probably are the same ones who blindly believe those clickbait videos on TH-cam that claim Topham mistreats his engines.
Question what are the names of the songs in this video
Check the description
@@ScorchZaneTrains ok
Please bring back your AU engines
Somehow i wight that thomas gets send away or get sracp either ryan or sailor John the movie, or is it just me:[
Thomas was wrong in this movie I actually agree with u people are taking stuff to far
I just hope that you make your Timothy video sooner or later you maybe think way I vote for the side tank locomotive 🚂 in the first place about 78% it’s because I don’t think that a saddle tank engine or tender engine like I like the black and purple linking on him looks cool I don’t think that’s bad like you give him 8 wheels like a small one and plus I used to grew up on Thomas as a kid but now I’m adult now like I growing matured well I watch some anime like dbz. Mha anime games and the list goes on I hope you like my opinion scorch Zane
tbh I can’t wait to work on it
*construction site
I'm going to outright I think sodor legend of the Lost treasure is overrated don't get me wrong it's a good movie but my problem is that Thomas should know better not to mess around in the knapfordstation i watch the unlucky tug video about crash I really hate the fact that Thomas is the most accident-prone engine I know it is off topic the point I'm making is in season 19to 24 his character is always inconsistent sometimes he's a mature and sometimes in sodor legend of the Lost treasure he's the most accident-prone about give this movie this in the third act he did get better another problem is that Gordon could have had take the blame for Thomas instead of being a jerk he could have spoke up to Topham increase The preserves not Thomas's phone it's my fault I was teasing Thomas that he's a silly little tank engine that's one reason why I'm not a big fan of the Brenner era that much it's because that Gordon always portrayed as a jerk and grumpy character say what you will about the nitrogen era (I just want to make this clear I am not defending this era by any means but at least Gordon and Thomas were being bros every scene Lakeland Gordon helping Thomas fixing hiro for example And Gordon helping Thomas in snow track episode etc etcetera in the final problem is Sir topham hatt was kind of hard to Thomas the first and second scene I could sort of get why he's mad at Thomas but the third time he was kind of harsh Ryan could have said something to topham that he tried to get rid of the dynamite and I really don't like Ryan this movie I like him in season 20 but this movie is this a rehash a Stanley in the Great Discovery in fact the whole movie is this a rehash of great discovery I really really want to love this movie I want to love this movie just as much as many other people do I want to praise this movie I could really see why people really love this movie but in my opinion this movie is just okay I personally think that the Great Discovery executed way better than sodor legend of the Lost treasure but despite all the problems I still considered this movie to be good animation is stunning the music with Robert hartshorne is really good and you make the team together is a great song this movie is like a 7/10 movie
Okay, I'm only 2:30 seconds in, and their are 2 MAJOR issues with this video:
1. I'm sorry, but I've NEVER seen anyone blame Gordon solely for Thomas's crash at the beginning of the film.
2. WTF are you on about by saying Thomas's plotted the crash BEFORE Gordon's insult?
Thomas's only plotted it AFTER Gordon insulted him.
Furthermore, NO. Thomas never intended to crash the coaches and hurt people. His only intent was annoy Gordon a little by keeping the coaches away from him.
He NEVER intended any of what happened when it happened.
We're we even watching the same movie???
4:35 OKAY 3rd issue now:
How was Thomas supposed to know about the dynamite incident beforehand?
Tell me. DO YOU THINK THOMAS IS PSYCHIC OR SOMETHING???
Also, Thomas not telling Ryan about the bad coal makes sense, considering how, up to this point, Ryan portrays everything Thomas wished he could be at that moment.
He probably still felt depressed at that time, and probably wasn't thinking about warning Ryan about the coal, till it was too late.
Now to address you, given your statement a few things.
1. Going in your point of how you see no one blaming Gordon either mean two things, 1 either you didn’t see videos where Gordon the one being punished (despite he only barked not bite and i guess what they are called SLOTLT haters are just among fanfics to punish Gordon and Topeka Hatt) or you’re haven’t even bother to search up terms like “Gordon gets in trouble SLOTLT” or even “Topham scolds Gordon”.
2. Ok where did I say that Thomas intended or plotted for it. How did I say he intended to do it, just because he did it trying to flip off Gordon, doesn’t mean he didn’t do it and I can’t shit on him for doing it or his later actions that can cause serious injury.💀
3. Thomas should’ve known that dynamite was being used, he’s in a fucking construction area. Knew or not that didn’t stop him from nearly endangering Ryan.
4. Really we’re going with the “he’s doing it out depression route”? That’s the excuse? Well depress people don’t do shit like what Thomas does, at least then at the end of the film he held himself accountable and telling Topham he was sorry, showing he has remorse in him. To say he’s depress to justify his actions, is just disgusting.
I never liked this film because of how both The Fat Controller and Thomas were characterised, coming off of Tale of the Brave where they both were mature enough to get on with what they’d do with themselves. I would have been a lot less bitter towards it if the conflict was between James and The Fat Controller and they’d both be butting heads, with James’ reasoning for starting it being because of him being sick of seeing the engines being blamed for accidents that would be out of their control, and The Fat Controller’s reactions to the accidents caused being the same as before and it coming to a boiling point the third time it happens as James would shout back at him, pointing out everything that’s wrong with him and unintentionally bringing his size into it and insulting him in the process.
For me, it never really felt right to have the conflict be about Thomas learning to own up to his mistakes because Tale of the Brave already acknowledged his development in being mature while it showed James letting his ego get the better of him. They could have still done the treasure plot-line with Thomas and have the same story beats, but include James in it to take advantage of it and prove to The Fat Controller that he’s more than someone who whinges. Hell maybe even include Percy in it to add more to him proving how brave he is.
Honestly the sodor lost treasure isn’t canon anymore I want a rewrite. And classic era s1-5 stayed true to the RWS
S5 not so much.
@@joshuaW5621 just my opinion
@@IronSteelRailroader I’m not against season 5, I’m just saying it wasn’t really that respectful to Awdry’s vision of Thomas, especially with episodes like Rusty and the Boulder.