The Egpu and thunderbolt/USB 4 is what pulled me into this. Glad to see it works. Just hope that they update the egpu standard as we now have PCIe gen 5 and thunderbolt 4
there is very little to gain from thunderbolt 4 for an egpu, its effectively the same bandwidth. pcie gen 5 does not change that either since thunderbolt carries a maximum of 40gbit no matter what.
That's something i was looking for: my next laptop will be one with a AMD cpu and i want to pair it with an eGPU with nvidia gpu... so the laptop have to support 40 gbps usb4 optional standard
I have the Z16, the bigger brother of the Z13. I have an Akitio Node Pro and Tried to connect to either USB4 port on either side and was unable to get anything. I recieved a "Thunderbolt Device Functionality will be limited." Did you have any issues with your node? Did you do anything to it, or was it plug and play?
Hi, I used to connect Lenovo Legion BoostStation to my Asus Notebook with thunderbolt 3 port. But I try to connect it to my new Geekom IT12 through USB4 port. The Bootstation cannot be deteced. Any suggestion for me.
Hi there, I have the same Akitio Node TB3 eGPU enclosure but paired it with GTX 1080 and Thinkbook 13s G4 Ryzen 7 6800U with USB4. When I plug the eGPU to the laptop using TB3/TB4 cable, it's not instantly connected. Needs ~ 1-2 minutes for the laptop to recognized it. And yes, I plugged it into the right USB4 (The one which support TB3 tunneling). Sometimes it fails to detect the enclosure, if that happens, I need to replug the TB cable or even restart the laptop. Have you experienced the same thing with this Akitio eGPU as I had? Been thinking to get my hands on Lenovo BoostStation, but not sure if it's the problem on my laptop or the Akitio Node.
Which do you think is better, a full pledge gaming laptop or a decent laptop (with good CPU) plus an external GPU? Curious to find out which is better in gaming or as a setup in general 🤔
Well, if you are fine with only gaming at your desk and you have space for a big eGPU box, it will be better to go that route. It is *not* cheap though. Also finding a laptop with a good gaming-class CPU and adequate cooling can be surprisingly difficult and again, expensive.
That eGPU box is creeping on the size of a mITX case. Are you gaming in 1 place? Are you willing to lug the box with you if you don't? What caliber of gaming performance are you looking for? If you could tell us what you wanna play, and at what resolution and FPS, that'd help.
the advantage is clear, you upgrade gpu but keep the laptop unchanged, plug the gpu when needed, laptop remains portable, power efficient and more silent
I’ve just taken delivery of a Lenovo ideapad pro 5 14. This runs the latest ryzen 7 7840hs (rdna3 etc). Full speed usb 4 spec (40) Displayport 1.4 so x2 4k @60hz no problem. However, I can’t get it to see a Razer Core x egpu :( spoken to Lenovo and they say it doesn’t advertise thunderbolt 3, only usb4. Hoping a future bios update might resolve this but not holding out much hope. Most frustrating as Amd state native support, the laptop has full speed usb 4. Frustrating unclear or muddy standards are usb 4. Asus have a similar laptop that works fine for egpu. Any ideas?
wow sweet video. Now how to pick a laptop? for maybe windows 11 with usb-4? hobby projects: Arduino, Raspberry-Pi, openCV, machine learning, basic to moderate AI... so without breaking the bank which laptops would be practical? 🤔 thanks a lot.
if your pc is old, perhaps consider on buying a new motherboard, might be cheap enough, a usb 4 card shouldnt be less than 100 dollars i bet the card itself on a desktop is not that important, is more important in a laptop
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I see 2.1 and 2.4 gigabits speed on the drive. That's pretty far from 20 gigabits. If my math is incorrect, I humbly apologize.
its fully backwards compatible while still allowing extreme use cases such as egpus to be done with the same port. its the only way to do it since you cant expect devices such as phones to expose pcie lanes.
The new USB 4 Version 2 (80GB speeds) really makes USB4 look a lot less appealing when it comes to eGPUs lol. Also, the lovely folks over at USB Implementers Forum just killed the brand "USB4" in favor of USB 40GB.
I really dislike the anti-consumer non-conformity of these naming conventions. It gives me HDMI 2.1 flashbacks. Are you getting 10 bit? 48 GB/s? VRR? Who knows.
did you had bad experiences with them? share them i had a hp laptop that decided to break on the display hinge, it almost destroyed everything and repair was a torture and the repair didnt came from hp, hp is a no no for me
5:38 Thanks for verifying the eGPU compatibility, so I can switch to Ryzen now :)
The Egpu and thunderbolt/USB 4 is what pulled me into this. Glad to see it works.
Just hope that they update the egpu standard as we now have PCIe gen 5 and thunderbolt 4
there is very little to gain from thunderbolt 4 for an egpu, its effectively the same bandwidth. pcie gen 5 does not change that either since thunderbolt carries a maximum of 40gbit no matter what.
Great video, clear and concise, exactly what I expect from Lon, keep it up.
I remember the old days having a USB 1.0 CDRW external drive 1X along with running XP on a 256mb ram tower. PAIN. Still loved it 😊
True pain is coming up 1kb of ram short configuring MSDOS to run a Lucas arts game 😜
That's something i was looking for: my next laptop will be one with a AMD cpu and i want to pair it with an eGPU with nvidia gpu... so the laptop have to support 40 gbps usb4 optional standard
I have the Z16, the bigger brother of the Z13. I have an Akitio Node Pro and Tried to connect to either USB4 port on either side and was unable to get anything. I recieved a "Thunderbolt Device Functionality will be limited." Did you have any issues with your node? Did you do anything to it, or was it plug and play?
Hope to see soon the review of that thinkpad Z13 !
Are you planning to do a full review of Lenovo Thinkpad Z13?
Yes, please.
Yes later this week/early next
Hi, I used to connect Lenovo Legion BoostStation to my Asus Notebook with thunderbolt 3 port. But I try to connect it to my new Geekom IT12 through USB4 port. The Bootstation cannot be deteced. Any suggestion for me.
Hi there, I have the same Akitio Node TB3 eGPU enclosure but paired it with GTX 1080 and Thinkbook 13s G4 Ryzen 7 6800U with USB4. When I plug the eGPU to the laptop using TB3/TB4 cable, it's not instantly connected. Needs ~ 1-2 minutes for the laptop to recognized it. And yes, I plugged it into the right USB4 (The one which support TB3 tunneling). Sometimes it fails to detect the enclosure, if that happens, I need to replug the TB cable or even restart the laptop. Have you experienced the same thing with this Akitio eGPU as I had? Been thinking to get my hands on Lenovo BoostStation, but not sure if it's the problem on my laptop or the Akitio Node.
Which do you think is better, a full pledge gaming laptop or a decent laptop (with good CPU) plus an external GPU? Curious to find out which is better in gaming or as a setup in general 🤔
Well, if you are fine with only gaming at your desk and you have space for a big eGPU box, it will be better to go that route. It is *not* cheap though. Also finding a laptop with a good gaming-class CPU and adequate cooling can be surprisingly difficult and again, expensive.
That eGPU box is creeping on the size of a mITX case.
Are you gaming in 1 place? Are you willing to lug the box with you if you don't? What caliber of gaming performance are you looking for?
If you could tell us what you wanna play, and at what resolution and FPS, that'd help.
the advantage is clear, you upgrade gpu but keep the laptop unchanged, plug the gpu when needed, laptop remains portable, power efficient and more silent
Very concise and helpful! Thank you!
Tried to setup my Asus rog flow x13. 3 hours without any luck until i have tried a type-c port on the right side of a laptop.
I’ve just taken delivery of a Lenovo ideapad pro 5 14. This runs the latest ryzen 7 7840hs (rdna3 etc).
Full speed usb 4 spec (40)
Displayport 1.4 so x2 4k @60hz no problem.
However, I can’t get it to see a Razer Core x egpu :( spoken to Lenovo and they say it doesn’t advertise thunderbolt 3, only usb4. Hoping a future bios update might resolve this but not holding out much hope.
Most frustrating as Amd state native support, the laptop has full speed usb 4. Frustrating unclear or muddy standards are usb 4.
Asus have a similar laptop that works fine for egpu.
Any ideas?
wow sweet video. Now how to pick a laptop? for maybe windows 11 with usb-4? hobby projects: Arduino, Raspberry-Pi, openCV, machine learning, basic to moderate AI...
so without breaking the bank which laptops would be practical? 🤔 thanks a lot.
Hi, have you decide on laptop for your usecase? Which one is it?
i saw this at Gordon Mah Ung from pcWorld few months ago
thanks for the video!
can you maybe test input lag/latency? with desktop gpu and with egpu in comparison?
Are there any PCI cards that I could install in my computer that would have USB 4 ports on the card??
Give it a few months. It's brand spanking new. All I'm seeing from Newegg are usb 3.2 gen 2 (20Gbit).
@@MandoMTL Thanks that is a great idea checking Newegg.
if your pc is old, perhaps consider on buying a new motherboard, might be cheap enough, a usb 4 card shouldnt be less than 100 dollars i bet
the card itself on a desktop is not that important, is more important in a laptop
But the cpu on laptop can heat up so much?
2:00 Many thanks for this tip
You didn't cover the thing I was hoping for most - can you run that eGPU **ON THE LAPTOP SCREEN?** Thanks. :)
Yes as mentioned at 5:38 it will run on the laptop display but with a performance hit
Ended up getting a laptop with Thunderbolt 4, Intel Laptop. Maybe a USB 4 laptop with AMD CPU would have been better.
I agree and cheaper too going with amd
F in the chat for you
I have a Asus Tuf with USB 3.2 and ryzen 6800h. Will 40gbps USB 4 work on my laptop?
If it's USB 3.2 it's not 4.0 :)
@@LonSeidman How about after the chipset update which is supposed to allow ryzen 6000 processors for USB 4?
@@michalslota3752 A software update doesn't not change the physical USB 3.2 to a physical USB4 port
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I see 2.1 and 2.4 gigabits speed on the drive. That's pretty far from 20 gigabits. If my math is incorrect, I humbly apologize.
Bytes vs bits (capital B and small b) is the difference. There are 8 bits in a byte.
We are measuring speeds in gigabytes not gigabits - 2.4 gigabytes is around 20 gigabits
Why does it seem like with new iterations of usb it’s becoming less universal? At least in their capability…
they left the standard too open, so open that is not standard, it is stupid, they dont know what they are doing anymore
its fully backwards compatible while still allowing extreme use cases such as egpus to be done with the same port. its the only way to do it since you cant expect devices such as phones to expose pcie lanes.
Fantastico! 🙏🙏
The new USB 4 Version 2 (80GB speeds) really makes USB4 look a lot less appealing when it comes to eGPUs lol.
Also, the lovely folks over at USB Implementers Forum just killed the brand "USB4" in favor of USB 40GB.
Gottta love em!
At least they're consistent in being illogical with the naming...
They're worse than the HDMI people. Sheesh
I really dislike the anti-consumer non-conformity of these naming conventions. It gives me HDMI 2.1 flashbacks. Are you getting 10 bit? 48 GB/s? VRR? Who knows.
Just wait it’s getting worse !
@@LonSeidman 🥲
bro has a 6gbit internet connection 😭😭😭
All I need to hear, is the word Lenovo, I’m out.
HP for me.
Whys that? I've found Lenovo to be good value over the last few years.
did you had bad experiences with them? share them
i had a hp laptop that decided to break on the display hinge, it almost destroyed everything and repair was a torture and the repair didnt came from hp, hp is a no no for me
@qtsssim Legion are good though. Some Ideapads are ok value too.