Edit: The art in the thumbnail of Happy's video was drawn by Noi. The only edits made were the weird pixilation that implied censorship of the breasts on the character and problem slapped on the face: x.com/BlueMarivn/status/1821699489046135128 Spy was not aware about Noi being in NSFW spaces/showing other minors NSFW when she originally wrote the 100 page doc and added it later when she found out. Happy and her fans are now trying to imply I am a groomer for making this video: x.com/StreamWorks_/status/1813470081495560230 Stop raiding Happy’s Discord ffs, this video is literally talking about how unnecessary harassment is. I’m really impressed how many people can see into the future here. You’ve watched the video before it even premiered and shared it with everyone. Rats, how will I get away with my crimes now.
Society when we realize that “kids can do really shitty things that deeply upset people” and “that doesn’t mean adults should stoop to their level and fight them as if they were adults” can and SHOULD coexist
This right here- The amount of people I've seen, that are in their 20s that act like this, is scarily alarming. This is coming from someone that's in their early 20s rn
The phone thing is a really cute gimmick, but in practice, some of the screenshots are waaaay too small. It's almost impossible to read and even if you're reading them aloud, it feels like we should be able to as well
100%, I think it’s so creative but for the sake of evidence a bit impractical. If it was bigger and took up more of the screen (like a tablet) I think that would be so cute!
which technically we are, but bro... he's 16. when i was 16, i was eating grass (exaggerating to say i was dumb as fuck). it is overly exaggerated and as stated in the video, copying is normal as kids and we kinda need to do it to learn. we start copying our parents so we start to talk and walk. nothing is totally original. and yeah, plagiarism is bad, but this isn't it.
I disagree, children suck (joking), but some kids online are just looking for the nsfw channels just to frame them as Pdf files, which I find stupid since they are putting themselves willingly in that situation
@@ztdtlf9717well children r stupid. But in this specific situation a lot of the things could’ve been prevented if the adults involved didn’t engage with the 16 y.o (i forgot their name)
@@ztdtlf9717 if the kid keeps “screwing with ur mind” then u disengage. Its the adults responsibly to assess the situation and provide the best outcome.
im sorry but if you're in a relationship in which your parents have to actively watch over you to ensure the older person you're dating isn't _grooming_ you, I think that's a sign that there shouldn't be a relationship in the first place. No matter how 'healthy' the relationship is, the fact the adult has to prove they aren't taking advantage of the minor makes the power dynamic INHERENTLY _PREDATORY._
Just a nitpick (I haven’t watch the full thing sorry 😭) the way they call noi “the minor” instead of their name or maybe even “this kid” is so STRANGE to me like,, minor is a legal term if I remember correctly and it feels weird it’s like their treating them like some sort of creature
Couldn’t help but read “the minor” in David Attenborough’s voice *“And here we have the minor, prancing about in its natural habitat”* Like, what was stopping them from saying “child”
Honestly I was a Noi at 14 years old, that is a sign of major issues. It's not Spy's job to babysit someone who is going through something, but it very much is Spy's job as a person with a platform to comprehend what this behaviour could potentially mean and just stay away or warn fellow adults to stay away.
@@adish1401to add onto your point: i hope they eventually grow out of it and/or are in a better space as they get older. I can't speak on whether or not I was this much of a little shit at this age, though. I don't think I was but I don't remember. As an adult: annoying teenagers are indeed irritating to deal with but after having a little back and forth exchange or some verbal jousting and they're still going, just best to move on...not make a friggin doc. This kid does *not* at all deserve potentially having hundreds of people send them harassment.
@@derpkipperas a annoying teenager: can confirm. I was harassed for drawing a character black and It fucked me UP it didn’t help that I was getting bullied irl too 😭 i have anxiety attacks and I gotta go to therapy now.
Those names gave me flashbacks to back when basically anything Sashley did would garner drama. Pose slightly too similar to another pose? BAD. Character shares one aspect/color with another artist? BAD. Or the hundreds of Sashley tracers and tracers OF the Sashley tracers.
This is INCREDIBLY petty and brings up another thing I see in the art community that's so stupid. Artists get their panties in a twist the second someone does something even remotely similar to their work whether that be a pose or a "similar outfit". A lot of the art is similar in poses and maybe in the style but it's not directly ripping them off. Young artists take a lot of inspo from other artists they like while they're trying to get better and improve, also Spy's work isn't completely original at all. This whole thing is incredibly corny and immature.
@@derpkipper She really is from all my experiences with her. She got pissy when referred to as they and was pretty rude most of the time. Heck everytime she got into a twitter argument or someone called her out she would post it in her server, @ everyone and talk about it. If people argued with her in her server, she would put them in a public "pit of shame" where her and the mods would keep them till they apologise.
As a recently turned 20 year old, "who's going to protect the adults? ;^;" is deadass the funniest thing i have ever heard to have came out of this stupid drama
@@HappyLikeAwall Watched your video when it came out a while back. I see where you are coming from, heck, you are valid to feel that way! Respectfully. Kids don't get a free pass if they are literally breaking TOS, period. No one does. It's the rules! (By that I mean harrassment + raids + doxxing) When it comes to children, they are still growing and most likely acting on the influences in their environment. What you think is a "free pass" is actually the fact that people want to hold them accountable while also understanding they could be in danger, and are showing those red flags. I hope you improve how you handle things in the future with regards to the safety of others. Adults are arguably 100% allowed to call out minors on their behavior, the issue is, that we need to make sure it's done responsibly, and mindfully in order to ensure we don't accidentally make something worse. It's not your job to parent a random kid, so there is no reason to "teach them a lesson." Block, warn others, and use the many resources you have at your disposal to rid yourself of their presence as much as possible. There are plenty of spaces I was in growing up where kids would try to act out, but were swiftly dealt with through good moderation. That's the thing. It also more effort then we would like, but that's unfortunately just the internet. There are so many methods and resources that prevent raids, for example from happening. From screenshots I've seen, you already have some! Discord bots are great to control raids, and also moderators. I guess what I am saying is that the way we feel is valid, but the actions we take when we are upset are not always valid. I hope you are safe. Thanks, hope you understand!
@@HappyLikeAwall Children don't have a free card. Anyone can do awful things online and accuse others of "carreer" ending stuff. In the same manner, anyone has the right to call out bad behavior and defend themselves. It's not that adults literally can't/aren't supposed to do anything about it when it comes to the actions of minors; stop twisting the message like that. Within the first 6 minutes of the video, Streamline literally says that had it been a small callout, it would've been perfectly fine. It's just that people expect adults to be reasonable, and it's pretty hard to defend a 140 PAGE DOCUMENT as a reasonable course of action.
@@HappyLikeAwallok but you and your friend have been stalking a minor for 2 years both of you are the weird ones here If anything I would say you and your friend ruined you're own careers here ngl you And your sentence would have been valid if you didn't handle the situation the way you did you literally stalked a minor for 2 years and sent a bunch of angry fans their way that is just a concoction of trouble and there's no excuse for it You are the adult you handle it like an adult I will say I don't agree with doxxing or raids at all that's not something I agree with but you are not the kids parent you do not get to say I'm going to teach this person a lesson block report move on and if this happened on discord you can get moderation fact is you are an adult you handle it like an adult
Well well well, what do we have here? the real happy? Hmmm I remember watching your videos…what was that one video I saw? Hmmmm…oh yeah. The one where you’re like “what’s up with kids” while adding a clickbait lewd drawing like a TH-cam kids content farmer. Maybe I would have agreed with your points and arguments if you didn’t make your content 16+, cause surprise! surprise! The age of consent may be 16 -18 in other countries but that doesn’t mean the mental state of a 16 year old is able to handle your clickbaity nsfw videos. If you didn’t know, exposure to this stuff even when you are 16 can damage the maturing and growth of your prefrontal cortex, the part of your brain that is responsible for your decision making and cognitive thinking. Might I also add that the exposure of this content can also cause your dopamine receptors to fuck up the distribution of the chemical which can cause kids to be more susceptible to addictions? Since dopamine is the chemical that causes the feelings of satisfaction and motivation? Which is something addicts keep running after? Oh who am I kidding, you are too innocent and saintly to ever do that! You need to be protected! Protect the adults guys! Yeah. Sure. “Preach” I guess. If I had a dollar for every clickbait thumbnail you’ve made I’d have enough to make marketable plushies of you. Not like anyone would actually fund it unless you made your character lewd.
“Whos gonna protect the adults!?” Uh…themselves…?? Also someone being developmentally disabled doesn’t mean they get a pass for being a predator christ
Except that's not how the internet works. If a kid runs into an adult space, unlike real life, unless they stated their age honestly and there's a proper age validation process (which isn't true for many sites and messengers), these kids can go around doing all sorts of crazy shit and then get away with it, while getting the adults in trouble even if they have no idea. And how do you protect against that? Literally the ONLY way is to filter via age, and if they get around that, adulys online can't protect themselves for shit aside banning people when they say they're minors directly or suggest it strongly enough. And Happy's right, where the fk are the parents in this?
I will never understand what the big deal with young artists "copying" more popular artists is. Like dude they are still learning and obviously if your art is what they are taking inspo from they look up to you. Even if they are copying your art style itself who cares? It's unlikely they'll be doing that forever. Studying other people's art styles in a genuine learning technique, people do it with old artists all the time.
Yeah like it's normal as an artist to see a piece of art and be inspired by it and want to incorporate a specific aspect of it into your own art, consciously or subconsciously. It's just that as you grow, you learn how to draw inspiration from sources in a way that is more original and doesn't look like a copy of the thing that inspired you. Young artists are only just developing that skill and aren't as good at drawing inspiration from enough different sources and putting in enough unique ideas to make the art original. What they need is space to be allowed to train their skills and maybe some guidance by a more experienced artist, not a fucking callout post.
The Sashley Drama is part of what made it difficult for me to draw as often as I wanted to as a kid. I now still struggle to get up and draw because I'm scared, and people like Spy feeding into this mess of a "callout trend" is 100% wrong. It also continues to distract from more serious issues, like children being put in unsafe situations in favor of petty drama.
wait until Spy finds out about BrujoAri, whose fanbase loves his art style and imitate it to an extent (and why wouldn't they be? It looks really good!)
"The next people who create a 'they stole my art style' situation will be dragged into my basement and be forced to listen to megalovania untill their ears bleed" Yo, can I help you with that? /j
What’s with artist suddenly being overly protective of their art? It’s fine to not want people to trace or copy you, but getting angry at people being INSPIRED by your art is weirdo behavior. I once had a young artist get inspired by my art and I remember feeling so happy. I felt nice that someone liked my art so much they got inspired by it, so idk what these guys are on abt lol.
unknownspy has seemed really full of herself lately imo, i recall seeing people in her comments asking questions and stuff about the characters and she replies really snarkily as if she is irritated by her own fans
Right?? I stopped liking their content a while ago cause of how sexual it was. I came back just to see what she was up to, but there are multiple posts where she gets weirdly offended when her characters are compared to something else. I get being annoyed as an artist, but she was responding to every comment that was mentioning it-
@@chromaticmono6406 yeah, just reeks of superiority complex to me, i get being irritated but theres a line you cross when you get aggressive with people who are just harmlessly interacting with your art, not to mention all the examples from the video where shes complaining about pose theft and background theft?? please grow up
@saltyspitoon2539 Throwing in my experience with Unknownspy. I answered a question of a user asking about something, and Spy was seemingly angry at me answering someone's simple question. Idk if that's normal with other people who make oc's and such.
Spy has a habbit of going after younger artist for "copying their style!" Where the minor in question doesn't even have 1% of their followers One time they went after a kid for having a inspired style to them MULTIPLE TIME on their Instagram stories and it was always "They draw hands like this! They make the legs like this! Lineart like that!" And even showing dm's telling them to stop "copying them" When spy could just block the person in question they don't loose any form of monetary gain and all it shows is an unhealthy obsession with thinking nobody can do it like them When in reality they are just as unoriginal as everyone els
1. Being asexual does NOT stop you from being able to groom someone. Grooming is something that makes the child feel stuck, they don’t even have to be attracted to you. The person could groom the child romantically too, and depending on that child’s mental status, it could very well work. Which is horrifying but it’s the truth. 2. Using a sexuality as an EXCUSE is insane. You may be asexual but using THAT sexuality as a reason to why you can’t do something as broad as grooming someone is actually absurd. Keep in mind, when figuring out you’re asexual you have to eventually learn that there’s a difference between sexual and romantic love, sure as a kid you could think “you’d only be groomed sexually so I’m safe”, but no actually! Maybe an ADULT could clue in the ladder, but apparently not. Above all I’m disappointed and it’s actually horrid to call someone grooming someone else a “mistake”. Like bffr why are we caring about groomers and abusers again?? “He ONLY killed one guy and it was by accident like the gun just happened to fire!! Okay yeah I loaded it and pulled the trigger and made the conclusion to actually shoot, but cmon!!”
Yeah, grooming doesn't have to be for sexual purposes, grooming by itself is a manipulative tactic to encourage certain behaviors and actions that the groomer wants for their own gain, and also can make it easier to control someone.
If i see another "drama" of a adult getting pissy over children "copying/talking inspiration" for them I'm actually going to loss my shit Have we not learnt after almost a decade of this shit Omg a child being shitty, boo hoo
I do very much understand my actions of what I did those two years ago, of course I deleted those NSFW channels and stopped interacting with those kinds of accounts, I am trying to improve myself from my past and what I have done. I am just really tired of this drama and I'm honestly very thankful that you've covered this, spy has been taking a lot of stuff I have said or images out of context just so she can make herself look better I have also been getting help on the suggestive stuff since I'm really used to drawing that kind of stuff I have been trying to tone it down from the things that I have been drawing, and I have been taking inspiration from mostly other artists and not those 2 fuckwads, I understand I shouldn't have been in those NSFW spaces or even those kinds of spaces I'm also sorry that you got dragged into this dumb drama. I also did explain in my document that yes I was a grooming victim before, which made me turn into the hypersexual that I am now, I am trying to work on myself and all this drama and crap but it's really hard when people are busting in my ears about stuff that I'm trying to ignore or just not pay attention to because I really don't want to get into it again. (I see happy in the comments)
Even if Happy was right about the "15 year old dating a 20 year old" thing, you would have to be delusional to think that the motivation for the 20 year old wasn't because they wanted power. Power dynamics play a role in abusive relationships, abusers tend to seek out victims who are "below" them in some way (maturity, financial status, living conditions, etc.). Thus making them easier to control and more vulnerable. Minors can't maintain healthy romantic relationships because of factors like experience and puberty. You can still have an abusive relationship with a 15 year old and a 20 year old without it being sexual.
@@HappyLikeAwall age of consent isn't age of adulthood though, they're different things so if an adult is dating a teenager without them having a pre-existing relationship where they were both teens, a 15 year old with a 20 year old still doesn't work. A 15 year old doesn't even meet the age of consent, though even beyond that this person is talking about the morality of the situation which differs from legality.
@@HappyLikeAwall The Romeo and Juliet laws only apply when there's a 1-2 year gap in the relationship. A 15 year old and 20 year old have a 5 year age gap. Also, you said that the age of consent is 16 in your country, but you said a *15* year old, not 16. Most countries with 16 as their age of consent can still penalize you if you're 3 or more years older than your s/o. Even if sexual acts weren't involved in the relationship, it would still be weird and predatory because of the difference in maturity.
@@HappyLikeAwall A "basic bit of research" would tell you that Romeo and Juliet laws are typically applied to 2-4 year gaps between TEENAGERS. It would also tell you that Romeo and Juliet laws are to protect teenagers from being charged with statutory r*pe. First off, why are you bringing up laws that pertain to statutory r*pe in a relationship where "shreggs isn't involved"? Secondly, do you just... not consider the fact that a relationship between a 15 year old and a 20 year old is extremely morally reprehensible? "Shreggs not being involved" is literally the only thing preventing the relationship you're defending from being illegal in most parts of the world. That said, just because it's not illegal doesn't mean it's okay. In any scenario, there's a pretty big gap in maturity and brain development between a 15 year old and a 20 year old. I feel like you, of all people, would know that, considering your stance on minors not belonging in adult spaces. (No, i'm not implying that I disagree with you on that.) Anyway, that's not even considering the social aspects; i'm pretty sure most people wouldn't be supportive if a 15 year old said that they were in a relationship with a 20 year old and vice versa. Both legally and morally, 5 years REALLY isn't a "small age gap" when you're talking about an adult dating a minor. Aside from citing a law that doesn't support your case in any capacity, how are you so stubborn that you're defending a college student dating a middle schooler/freshman high school student? Don't misconstrue my argument, I'm not implying you're a groomer. I'm questioning your beliefs and reasoning. Are you really saying you'd be okay with someone your age dating a highschool freshman or middleschooler? PLEASE consider how bad this belief makes your arguments look. A 15 year old, a minor, wouldn't be able to be in the same spaces as a 20 year old, an adult, but they'd be able to be in a relationship?
The closest type of drama I had been familiar with regarding unknownspy was through a mutual of mine on Instagram, who said that she had accused them of copying her SOLEY because they had an alien oc who had antennae BARELY resembling her oc sploot. The character in question didn't even REMOTELY look like Spy's character (it was a completely different color palette and had hair and a different body shape) yet Spy went out to message this person and demanded they change the design. They were, again, a way smaller artist than Spy. Seeing how Spy has addressed this whole situation, I am not surprised.
@@moonrabbit719 this also happened with my friend who took inspiration from sploot with their alien oc(different color pallet and outfit even though spy try to use it that as a point as well??). Sploot is just a green alien with big round antenna with an optional tail. It’s not like sploot is that original either if we are talking solely about the base design 😭
I remember when unknownspy and their followers bullied crucorvus for copying sleepykinq's baby hotline meme (they were nothing alike beside slowing the audio down, which cru's was even slower) to the point cru had to apologize to sleepykinq and credit them as "inspiration" (cru wasn't even inspired by them) before later unlisting their video. I'm pretty sure sleepykinq never even knew about cru or what unknownspy said.
I'm the same age as Unknown Spy and seeing her at her grown age misuse her platform to go after a 16 year old is so sickening? Do you not have better things to do? Especially since the callout had NOTHING of substance to truly call out Noi and ignored the safety of Noi being compromised as well as other minors in NSFW spaces. Is Noi being a shitty kid? Sure, a lot of teens have growth that needs to be made. Cannot believe no one caught on as quickly how horrible this callout was.
honestly im not surprised, have been a part of a previous drama where unknownspy made a whole doc about a friend of mine known as Zoethemonster, when she was young and had a developmental disorder, and the reason she was called out was based first only on her copying unknownspy's characters (which is normal for young developing artist) then spiraled out into a whole drama with several out of context screenshots and claims. And my friend was harassed so much she has legit developed ptsd that she is still to this day dealing with, constantly being worried she is copying other's characters by accident or that her characters are too similar to the characters of unknownspy. Edit: forgot to add also that this happened a few years back, when unknownspy was mainly doing the whole program world thing
I used to follow Spy when this happened and I remembered feeling so confused to why the doc was long. 💀 I hope your friend heals from this. The art community can be very discouraging to young beginner artists.
@@Litchinensis yea I agree with you there, she is still healing from the process, luckily most of the drama is over but there are still some traces of it with people who still believe her to be a copycat
I remember this! I remember In the discord group chat of Spy saying that the photo mood board collage Zoe made wasn’t ‘art’ or somethin??? (can’t exactly remember). And I defended saying that the collage is her creation, a combination of images to create something new/ an effect (my actual opinion) . I talked to her again for the first time in 4 years (I was a really shy and busy person) after my discord account got hacked for a while I had to delete links and I apologised. We talked, She was a nice person, mentioning about university, how she improved her art, etc.
@@patheticghost7853 yea zoe is a really nice person in reality, really sucks how she had to go through all the stuff with spy, really hope that more people realize how wrong spy really was
@patheticghost7853 Okay but fr tho wtf Spy yapping about moodboards not being "art"💀 at that point she's just bullshitting because moodboards are meant for gathering images to create a specific theme. 🤦
My only concern is what happy said in the chat about a 16 year old and 20 year old dating. I know she’s from a different country but it doesn’t make it right. I’ve said my peace I hate no one here have good days
16 and 20...is a stretch like it is one age away from disgusting but also depends when they met and stuff. 16 and 20 is only a 4 year age difference but it is definitely weird
@@derpkipperagain really depends. Like sometimes Freshmen and Seniors get together in high school and the relationship lasts. It’s weird but not inherently predatory or wrong. Like you see 13-14 year olds dating 17-18 year olds in high school. A 4 year age difference between high schoolers happens and sometimes they last for years. This it’s very situational. More often than not it’s much worse than two high school lovers having dated for a few years with a 4 year relationship so one becomes more and more of an adult while the other one is still a minor but and older minor.
@@mwokozi hey, captain obvious here. a 13/14 year old is massively different from a 17/18 year old sociologically & biologically which creates something called a power dynamic, which in this context refers to someone much younger with much less social rights & status (by way of age) getting into a relationship with someone who is much older, with much more rights, more status, more physical development of the brain, identity and body. With puberty there is a MASSIVE difference to an indivdual when they are 13 to when they are 15, causing internal relationship issues (here refering to 13yo with 15yo) that become inherently exploitative with a dynamic like 13 with 17, the younger party is unable to consent. The same is applicable to a 16 year old with a 20 year old. If this has happened to you or anyone you know, I urge you go talk to some sort of helpline or trusted friend! Even if this is 'normal' by way of how common it might have been for you, it really isn't healthy due to the inherently explotitive power dynamics - 17 year olds aren't normally attracted to 13 year olds for a reason, likewise with 20 year olds with 16 year olds, there's a noticable lack of development. If the older party is unable to tell that lack of development that's quite concering! The only time age gaps are normal is when both parties are experienced consenting adults, like 35 & 50 is a major age gap but provided both met when they were adults, its normal.
Since there’s an 80% chance Happy’s gonna see this as she looks for comments to argue with, lemme say something real quick: Happy, relentlessly searching for all the comments criticizing you and your statements to form obscenely long and draining rebuttals against them for an undetermined amount of time doesn’t make you look like the bigger person, it makes you look insecure, petty, and obsessed. You know that, right?
FINALLY someone calling out unknownspy for leaving "not for kids" videos up alongside videos for kids. I used to follow unknownspy and even had a conversation on DA with them about their animation process, I really liked their older character designs (i remember a big favorite of mine was the power button character) but I quickly shyed away from their content when they got super suggestive on main. I'm ace and averse so thats just not my vibe, and I worried about it not being age restricted or having an (age)+ in the title...
@@gem_b7798 Yeah honestly I was kinda annoying to them when I did talk to them, I was pointing out mistakes in their animation in a rude way cus I hadn't learned how to give critique respectfully yet lol. I had no ill will towards them I just was kinda mean with my advice cus I didnt know better
Imagine you are the 27 year old in question Put up a sign saying; "hey, this place is not for minors, don't come in here" *The sign is ignored You put another sign "Hey adults only" *Gets ignored again Then the person says "ayo you shouldnt be drawing this next to me, im a minor." So yeah warnings dont solve anything and you missed the entire point, the point is THERE ARE places in the internet that kids shouldnt be allowed, it puts them at risk and the 27 year old person wont take their precious time to monitor 24 hours a day just to watch over someone else's children online, parents should do this, but any topic regarding parental responsibility both in this video and the comments are treated as a taboo?
@@Thiscatinmypfo That's why you block them, not sic your BIG following on them. Yeah we should make it clear that they're not allowed in NSFW spaces without stooping to their level and harass them.
@@MEGaRandomMea In another words heres the logic; Making a discord where children and adults can erp together? = Its fine, just block and ignore it. Calling attention to it and pointing cases of children getting exposed to literal p**n scenarios online?= You're literally stepping on their level, stop it. Before i start, no im not trying to make fun of you, just using a example of why i dont think that doesnt make sense, i do understand that kids shouldnt Held responsable the same ways adults do for their actions but the worst that happened is NOI loosing an account, This is nothing compared to the trial of a person in a real-life courtroom, while this, lets take Happylikeawall for an example, to this day is still getting harassed and threathened with doxxing. Also regardging harassment, not in a single moment Happylikeawall said to harass Noi in her video, even said to not do so at the start of it, but she's not getting the same treatment, It's not a question of "defending adults from children" That's not the point, but to expose the bad things children can expose themselves to, create and do online and also how much this needs to be stopped and actually taken serious. Wich is the entire point Stream missed or left out of the video.
@@Thiscatinmypfo "In another words heres the logic; Making a discord where children and adults can erp together? = Its fine, just block and ignore it. Calling attention to it and pointing cases of children getting exposed to literal p**n scenarios online?= You're literally stepping on their level, stop it." Putting words in my mouth? That's not what I said. There is no problem in calling out an discord server that is endangering children, the problem is that they treated NOI on the same level as the predators when they could victims to the adult themselves, along with making fun of their art. You can teach them not to go into adult spaces without being an big immature bully about it and send an following of angry fans at them, my problem with how Spy and Happy handle it, they could of done it without the dehumanizing languages towards kids, Block them when they kept copying out of spite and bring attention to the discord without drawing that weird thumbnail and bully the minor we can both acknowledge kids being sh*tty while at the same time that doesn't mean the adult should act very immature and fight them like their adults.
FOR REAL Happy did elaborate later on, she said it was a typo that she refused to fix after sending it because she didn’t want to seem like she was damage controlling and like Dude are you actually the r-word . You make a typo, a Very very bad typo, one that completely changes the context of your message and makes you seem like an absolutely disgusting person, and you decide to not fix it because you think you’d look stupid . What the hell is that
@@minervoionni36bro. If you are going to call someone a slur, at least have the balls to actually use the slur. Saying “you are an r-word” shows you know why that word is bad and shouldn’t be used yet you still say this. Stop.
@@table2.0 Oh I can reclaim it I just don’t like to Also I think saying “the r-word” is more funny than actually saying retarded idrk why. I am Quite a special person
THIS IS DRAMA?!? No, this isn't drama. This is both a crime (Considering no one is out here seeing if Noi the MINOR is exposing themselves) They're possibly being gr00med!!! As someone who was online gr00med (I was never out there with my age when I was younger but it was a convo I never started and exposed myself), just because a child acts "mature" doesn't mean anything. They're still VERY young, they have a long way to go. Unknownspy is actively stalking and potentially exposing more gr00mers to Noi's way!! I've been a spectator in the Animation meme community for A LONG WHILE. This is just Sashley and more artist "drama" all over again, even people who were young during when the animation meme community when it was popular took it MORE like an actual adult than an adult who made soft p-word and just harassing a minor who yes, is a little sh-t and exposed other minors but ALSO THEMSELVES?!? I'm about to rip out my hair if I see another pose or outfit "theft". People like them need to learn better.
I find it "funny" when adults get mad when children on the internet do something incredibly minor that could just be solved by reporting and blocking said children
... Or we could solve this by stop downgrading the risks of minors on the internet, truly making it a public topic that deserves attention from society, discussing more efficient solutions and educate parents to reinforce their attention to monitoring what their children are doing in the internet. But any topic that envolves Parental responsability is a taboo or aproached with competitive intention by media
@@iikoifishii7893 I think it was inevitable when you take everything that happened into context and that if we truly want to prevent it from happening again. We must take the issue to people capable of raising awareness and not making a highly biased video about it, Streamline Ignored a series of details to convey information that she wants to believe in. This video doesn't really have an educational purpose and the way she expressed will do nothing but create two sides pointing fingers at each other which I believe was immensely irresponsible on her part as well. Again, while i believe that teenagers shouldnt respond to their actions the same way adults do, that doesnt mean they will not one day receive the consequences of their actions if they're not stopped in time, that's why the role of relatives is for, protecting children from themselves. Scenarios like Roi's never go down well and create people like King from discord. Personally im glad that Roi's actions were brought into light initially but I was immensely disappointed when no one gave a damn and now they are accusing the person who brought it up of harassment instead of paying attention to the essential point that, EVERYONE, misssed. That is to learn from this and make this a public issue that deserves society's attention.
@@Thiscatinmypfo I don’t think that’s true, people keep saying that stream didn’t have evidence for things and I’m not denying that, but one , I’ve yet to see evidence that truly invalidates her main point. Either way it is HIGHLY hypocritical for happy to talk about this scenario, and if not that it’s also super irresponsible for you to push all the blame on someone who you believe to be a victim, and if you ARE gonna do it right, atleast call out the ACTUAL ADULTS who are letting it happen as well.. (whom should be TEN TIMES MORE AS RESPONSIBLE) idc about the “copying” of art, and streamline not once says that Roi shouldn’t be held accountable to the fact that falsely accusing people of pædophili@ is wrong.
and dont forget how she was ableist on autistic people like "oh yeah if youre born this way like your brain functions a little bit not as usual, i hate you, you piss me off, go off yourself aand youre below me, because i am an allistic supremacist who gets angry AT THESE HAALF HUMAAANS😡"(literal translation of her thoughts btw cause shes a nutjob) gosh i want happy to shut uppp, can someone educate her on how insane she sounds? its the same as saying "yeah some under-humans piss me off with their existance cause they got a sixth finger on their foot thats so noooootttt normaaallll and makes me maaadddddd"
Unknown spy put a bad taste in my mouth about a year before the drama had kicked off so I didn’t even know this happened. But somehow. Im unsurprised. The way they constantly complain about people comparing their art to other media is… well. To put it like this, you have someone drawing what looks like sonic, several dozen people comment ‘Oh this looks like sonic! Cool!’ And then that someone gets mad about it. On the one hand I understand that as a popular artist, you’d want to see comments beyond the comparison. But on the other hand, you have a series of drawings with this sonic looking character that talks and dresses like sonic. So when you extend from your follower base, other people who don’t know your work but see it because its so popular are going to comment ‘Oh this looks like sonic, nice.’ The fact that this ire extends into other aspects like not wanting people to be ‘heavily inspired’ by their very unique art style, to not have their outfit challenges be made into the main outfits of ocs, or even making a whole body type sheet and not wanting it to be used as a base. Idk, maybe its just me, but the way that UnknownSpy and several people they surround themself with police how people interact with their content, makes a petty drama between Spy and Noi inevitable.
@@Austin-LA I’m not saying this is for sure, because its speculation. But with how comfortable they were in constantly contacting Noi, telling them to stop, makes me think Spy has done it multiple times before. This was the first time that someone wasn’t intimidated by the big mainstream senpai.
@@generalkudzu8362 but my point at the end of the day, It shouldn't have been a thing to begin with. At a certain point in your life you should learn that being a child like this because a minor was "annoying" to you is petty and immature. Blocking is free and for adults to being this over and over again is ridiculous. I been online for 11+ years and this type of "drama" in the art community is old (I'm not mad at you, I'm just sick of seeing the same thing over and over)
For the “outfit challenge” thing it makes sense. She said people can get “inspired” but not just simply took the design and use it as their OC’s main outfit since if people do that, imagine how many OCs are gonna have the EXACT SAME outfit that other people OC’s have Other than that yea you’re right
Tbh, I just feel like UnknownSpy kinda fell off. Don’t get me wrong she’s got a nice art style but the way her content has become oversexualized just decreased a lot of its quality and originality, nowadays her content is just “sexy girl UwU”
You dare upload when I will be on a plane? Can’t believe you hate me specifically smh. (But also keen to hear about whatever nonsense you decided to bury yourself in today.)
Spy is whining about others "copying their art style" when they don't own it because an art style is for self-expression so their literally just saying "Stop expressing yourself this way!!!" as if the kids are claiming that they invented the art style when nobody did. Spy needs to get off the internet and stop acting like a clown and realize that as an adult they need to take responsibility for their actions.
Why can’t people hold kids/teenagers accountable while also treating them like they’re fucking kids/teenagers? If you’re an adult it is YOUR responsibility to respond maturely to a child. Not the other fucking way around. Christ.
I got so livid at the "countries outside America exist" bc like 😭 no duh? And im sure any other country with a lick of sanity when it comes to consent laws will be able to say that an adult and a child dating is NOT OKAY. I'm Romanian, Romania is a country in east europe and with full confidence I can say they are 30 years behind in development, but even my 40-something year old parents would CRINGE at the idea of a 17 yo no less a 15 yo dating a 20 yo
for real!! and might i add, people think too much about the age gap instead of the DIFFERENCE in these cases! for example, when it comes to 3 years between 17 yo and 20 yo, like that should not happen but the age gap is not a problem when it's between two ADULTS. At the end of the day i think it shouldn't be a hot take to say that it's fucked up to want a relationship with someone who isn't even an adult when you are starting your 20's :(
@@weirddd469 EXACTLY OH MY GOD 😭🙏 people focus too much on the actual value of the number itself rather than the gap in maturity. I'm 15 now nearly 16 and I'd NEVER date a 14 y.o because of these maturity differences, just thinking back on myself last year vs me now is absolutely ENOUGH to make me cringe 😭🙏 I feel like ppl often forget and/or don't realize even one year can make a big difference in maturity level ESPECIALLY in teenagers like myself 😭🙏
Yeah, like just because something is legal in another country, doesn’t mean there aren’t people in that country that are against it or that nobody can criticize it.
To me Spy has a ego problem, while I do think Noy is far from a saint himself, Spy comes across like she's more butt hurt that he's taking inspiration from her rather then the alleged harassment. I find the "pose theft" argument to be especially silly, no one owns a specific pose, it be like if someone accused an artist of stealing their drawing because they did a hand on the hip pose (one of the most common poses to draw) Not only that but Spy (a 27 year old) should've known that encouraging her fans to basically harass him (a 16 year old) would've end badly. Not only is it an abuse of power over your fans, but when stuff similar to this happened before, the person on the receiving end were send threats, abuse and even in extreme cases doxxed (just look at what happened to Illymation) Spy could've put someone in legit danger all because she couldn't just blocked him and wanted to be seen as the victim
28:04 More on this, UnknownSpy's suggestive content was how I found them. And I was younger than I am now. UnknownSpy did not try to age restrict content or anything, it was all there to see. Preaches children should not be seeing this stuff and that it's dangerous when his content was available.. For kids to see...
idk why but i found the sploot stuff very weird and off putting plus I saw them bully a smaller youtuber into taking down their vid before for no reason
Holy Moly brother wow, what a video. As an avid Unknownspy fan for pretty much my entire digital art career, this is a crazy situation and it's insane how immature LITERAL ADULTS could be when dealing with children using your work and compositions for inspiration and trying to hone their skills. I've always known Spy's egotistic behavior (if you would like to call it that) when it comes to her art and style. I remember her telling somebody on her Discord server to credit her because they used a base as a reference for their art (not tracing but just using it as a guide on the side) and I was just really confused and was like "You don't own an art style???". I find it really petty and concerning that they literally care more about a kid taking heavy inspiration in their art than their overall online safety and wellbeing. I will quote one of my friends with a similar situation they had which is literally: "Honestly don't really give a shit, people like this are everywhere" "and they gotta look up to ur art to have the motive to trace it so I think that's cool" and it's just baffling that Spy can't just have this attitude, it's more positive and overall, you should not care, it's not like they're stealing your audience away, it's just useless to blow it up to such a degree. I notice that Spy overall is a very protective person of her art and takes offense if people take heavy references or even make comparison comments. I understand that these comments are annoying, but at least do the right thing and just ignore them and don't take them to that personal of a level, and in all honesty, I'm surprised she never DMed me talking about me having a character inspired by her art (probably cuz my art now is WAYY different and the design isn't clearly referencing her art) but nonetheless, she needs to have a better way of dealing with these types of situations instead of giving them mass attention. I'm not gonna mention Happy since they're just ridiculous and I'm just focusing more on Spy. Overall this was a very well made video! I sincerely hope that the people involved (including their fans) take these criticisms to heart and actually change their ways, but it's the internet, I may be asking for too much LMAO
This entire situation just could’ve been prevented if: 1. The minor was encouraged not to be in NSFW spaces + BLOCKED 2. UnknownSpy and Happy understand that people will be inspired by their work 3. Understand that the animation meme community is made of LITERAL CHILDREN and separate their SFW and NSFW Not to mention UnknownSpy is kind of a hypocrite in terms of “oh they keep stealing my ideas” in terms of “outfit theft” because she makes outfit month challenges that anybody can use as inspo. This whole thing is a mess
dude, yes. its so easy to say "well they shouldnt be interacting with it in the first place" and thats true, but kids arent gonna understand WHY they arent allowed to. even if they know theyre not supposed to, if a kid wants something, theyre gonna find a way to get it. at that point its up to the account owners to block them so they cant *continue* interacting
@@viscerazombie Yeah that’s true that’s true. At the end of the day it’s up to them to block minors and lock adult content because if they’re gonna say stuff like “who’s gonna protect the adults? :(“ they gotta make it a lot harder for minors to find it
happy once said a relationship with a 15 year old and a 20 year old was ok and after I responded to that tweet of her and said that even if it not sexual it's still worng and after I posted a tweet saying that if anyone sees a tweet of me saying I like her art it was before she made that and that I was simply going to unfollow because I don't agree with the idea of 15 and 20 being together is ok, she blocked me for some reason even tho she never responded to me and it's was back when I only had like 300 followers I think
@@ztdtlf9717 I think that'd be really weird tho at that point, since it is literally just waiting for a minor to become an adult, to get into a relationship with them.
@@akopsing5863 First, I didn't have information about this until now. And second, that's on the fans for raiding the server, you never said Stream was involved in the actual raid.
This entire drama feels like a mix of the Sashley, Madame and Tearzah drama in separate aspects. Like- can older figures with large fucking audiences not start shit with literal minors even if they're being instead of what Spy is doing? I haven't even heard of Spy until this drama, and im just disappointed in Spy for being this hypocritical.
@@superpandaidol_3 That's what we call "adultism", it's unfortunately very common especially in the US and the UK. The common mindset that children are not human just because they are not adults yet makes me feel ashamed well into adulthood for being a child in the past because I was told all my life that I was dumb no matter how hard I studied and tried to prove that I was actually smart, that I'm worthless because I couldn't do anything simply because of laws that were put in place to oppress minors and treat them as property of their parents rather than human beings, and that I would never amount to anything, and the world would be better off without me in it, and this was all because of my age at the time. This is why Youth Rights and Youth Liberation are now a thing.
The midpoint conversation of unknown spy and their suggestive art influencing kids hits... a little too hard :( I was a fan of them, having found them on youtube in the animation meme community, but things really happened when I got instagram for the first time, and I'm pretty sure it was around that time when they started to post some of their really suggestive stuff, unless they had the entire time and I never realized (i found them originally from just their flame guy and other non-heavily sexualized characters). And mind you at the time, I was a 11-12 who didn't know any better and overrun with hormones, and given literally none of unknown's shit is censored in any which way, inevitably, being exposed to their contend ended up really affecting me and influencing my own art and what kind of art I would make. They became a terrible idol to me and while I drew just some cool looking guys, all the women I drew were absolutely not treated the same, all of which were heavily sexualized with big chests and wide hips. Of course, I also became more "experimental" with the poses I drew and such. And yet, I feel so blessed to be able to say that I never exposed much of this content, or at least not that I remember, and luckily I was not popular either, only having about 200 followers with only 10% of that being people who actually interacted with my content let alone me. But I know no experience is original, so my heart goes out to anyone who might've gone down the less ideal path of my situation themself.
And how long were you someone who didn't know any better. Gonna really look someone in the eye and stand by saying ' I had zero idea what I was looking at was inappropriate.' Should I start to assume anyone young is stupid asf then? This is like a crack head trying to blame his dealer like they didn't know it was addictive
@classyserpent8778 They were... an 11 year old. Do not put the blame on them, jc And yes, kids are pretty dumb sometimes. They will make decisions that aren't well thought because their brain isn't fully developed. They aren't stupid, but being exposed to something from a young age will alter your thinking
@@classyserpent8778 holy shit this was the most horrible response. Kids are dumb. Kids are impressionable. Kids often do things and emulate adults because the adults present that as BEING OK to do. If a nsfw artist doesn’t censor their work, tag it, anything to prevent kids finding it, they’re gonna find it. ESPECIALLY if they’re dumb teenager kids coked up on horny hormones. >:V A lot of kids think that sort of stuff is OK to find on the internet, and if they don’t, often they only think it’s bad at worst because “mom and dad say no, so I’m gonna do it because I’m a REBEL.” Most kids/teens don’t know jack doodly about law or criminal acts, or understand anything about predators. You might be the special gem of a human who wasn’t stupid or easy to manipulate as a kid, and I’m not denyong that those kinds of “smart common sense kids” DON’T exist, but I can tell you that a lot of kids are NOT like you. Knowledge and experience comes with time and age, not everyone’s gonna learn stuff like you do, as fast as you do. Get some perspective, and put down the axe you’re trying to beat that person with.
@@classyserpent8778as someone who was exposed to p*rn on the internet when I was like 7, kids seriously don’t know any better. They think it’s normal but it’s not. It rlly screws you up
"Who's going to protect the adults?" They are going to protect themselves. Kids are ignorant and immature and require protecting because they are CHILDREN and they don't know any better. Even if they've done bad stuff they are still kids and they still need to be protected and I think gently educating kids isn't bad but if they get upset or something about it then attacking them still isn't right :/
@@EpicSwagmaster94 That's a pretty rude generalization. No, all children are not ignorant or immature just because of their age, we wouldn't have adult bigots otherwise such as Happy. Kids are smarter than adults give them credit for, but we live in a society that views children as subhuman just because they are not adults yet, therefore justifying these beliefs which, mind you, the ageist stereotype that all kids are ignorant and immature is used to justify treating them the way Spy does
Everybody sucks in this situation, but especially the adults. Like bro you are 27, why are you getting this mad at some stupid kid trolling you by copying your art. Literally just block them, it's that simple 💀 same with a kid being in an NSFW space, don't even talk to them or acknowledge them. Just block them and get a mod to kick them. This whole doc callout thing is ridiculous and needlessly dramatic.
@@Baconsquidwafflsanwich because some people don't care what's going on at the opposite side of the world..? Because it's an idiotic bandwagon, like many things the west likes to flail over? Most people that 'care' are literally unaware of what going on there altogether, on both sides, being indifferent to it or uninterested is about the most sane stance for the average person that's not from the area. If anything, the people who do care about the issue, regardless if who's side they take are the insane ones, both because they have zero care about far worse conflicts in the area, and because they ignore people being abused and dying in their own areas left, right and center (in traffic for example, which is almost fully preventable if they wheren't all government boot lickers that see it as a necessary and unavoidable evil and something that 'just happens'). Protest about better public transport, better roads and junctions, underpasses and airwalks for pedestrians to save MILLIONS of local people's lives and many more from becoming crippled? WHO CARES! 2 people dead on the other side of the world in your conflict if choice (while ignoring thousands dead in another)? OMG, THATS SOOO IMPORTANT!!
Ill be honest, Spy doing this isnt surprising to me in the slightest. Now, this all happened over her IG story and i dont have ss for this, so take it with a grain of salt if you want... A while back, like 2018-19 or so, Spy posted to her story about how people were copying her oc Sploot. Some held water, only some, but even those were "Splootsonas" clearly made by young teens who looked up to her. Others were literally just inspired by her art and looked nothing like her character, and again, were clearly made by young teens. The worst part is that she posted the art these kids made to her story, some with names attached, to her IG audience of thousands saying "dont do this this. this is wrong." Now idk about you, but if my idol posted my art to their story saying "dont do this" id be devastated, especially if i was a young artist. Spy going after young artists who look up to her is nothing new.
the thing with Sploot too is that theyre a very simple character design who's design is constantly changed between drawings such as different outfits, accessories, skin colors, and whether or not they have a tail. when your character is a generic little green alien with a purposefully inconsistent design i dont think you get to be angry when people are inspired by it. even if these kids were purposefully copying Sploot's design completely, the way Spy drew them could easily give the impression that making Sploot-like designs was encouraged. thats not to entirely say Spy isnt allowed to be upset when their work is copied to a T, but they definitely act super pretentious for someone who's most popular character is Green Alien With Antennae
"who's gonna protect the adults!" oOOooOO the kid boogeyman is gonna bother you OOOOOooooOOO god its insane that these are the same people that came from the animation community which feels like the prime example of where kids be stupid for attention and shouldn't y'know, be given any more attention that could easily be lead to harassment
@@HeeHungersForHos When I was a kid I tried filtering it out, but none of it had warnings or age restrictions, then everyone wonders why I had an annoying burned fur phase
@@NebulaBubblesfound out about her independently from this video a few days ago, IMMEDIATELY the vibes were off, genuinely how hard is it for a person to be just... normal
Also you can't copyright a style, similarly how you can't copyright a pose, or facial expression, anyone could come up with it without influence or knowledge of the style, there are so many humans on this planet that it is rare to not see occasional similar developed styles with the artists all not knowing of each other.
"who going to protect the adults?" as a 13 years old i am shock that a full grown women said that out loud. this whole drama is super dumb tbh edit: im going to talk about this drama more cuz last night i couldn't. but i think spy should've just block noi or just confronted noi in a private chat instead of calling him out when all he did is "copy pose/character" but in actual reality is all inspiration which spy should've have some sympathy for and also linking all his social media account is super immature harassing is never the answer. and Happy should instead see noi as also a victim and tell him why is wrong to be in adults space and drawing NSFW but NOPE let make a video blaming it all on the kid! it not like the ADULT could've pressure him to do this! like- seriously? and also i do NOT stand side for anyone in this drama is all stupid and very immature.
This smells like childhood. I left the art community proper years ago, but man i love your channel cause it brings me back to the golden age of art youtuber nonsense. Much love bro, keep making bangers 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Unknownspy is incredibly immature like, How are you gonna be part of the animation meme community and be upset by copying?? Nobody owns checkered backgrounds and characters with big feet. And artists gotta draw inspiration from somewhere. If it's not tracing I dont get what the big deal is lol
I've seen several artists with spy's "style", the sharp & mostly blocky look. If this child bugged her so much she really should've simply blocked them.
Unknownspy has always had an ego. From how she reacted when people criticized her for her big hipped characters not being plus sized, from copying designs, to even ignoring those who warned her about a problematic user being reposted on her story bc he made her fanart lmao
@@PixelByteSquad yeah, I found out looking up her user on Google, I believe there is some other stuff there as well. she was acting very immaturely when called out. Her drawtober outfits that she claims she owns can also literally be found on Pinterest, like the og designs.
HI! I'm a teenager on youtube, 15 and plan to go into animation, influenced by many creators i've grown to love (jaiden animation mostly) and obviously, i've done some crappy things on the internet (racism, homophobia, generally getting into stuff i shouldn't be ect.), not a lot of people are really innocent of this anymore and i feel bad about it. but i would not be going down a creative path if it wasn't for my active engagement in the internet now and before. and as an ex fan of HappyLikeAWall it upset me when that video released and Happy said that children shouldn't have access to the internet. it sucks honestly, no btw i was not in their discord and wasn't being weird. sorry if this seems ranty but i had to get it out of my system. i still think happy is a good person she just needs to figure out that she has more power than she thinks on social media.
Happy is somehow the worst person to be smacked in this situation. Im sorry, but if this grown ass woman blocks me on Twitter and bans me from her discord for a meme drawing, she shouldn't be handling drama in the first place LMAO.
@@SpaceySodaPop Its a DRAWING OF MY OC SAYING “YOU DROPPED THIS” AND THEY WERE HOLDING A CARD THAT SAID “INTERWEB LIAR CLOWN CARD” i posted it to joke, swift ban and block 💀
@@SpaceySodaPop tbh the joke was that the oc was a computer virus but then again i can admit im at fault for like...posting it on one of her "boo hoo yeah this CREATURE IS HORRID" posts because the only way I could really like, actually deal with this kinda stuff is joking 💀 I can at least admit I kinda did contribute
The only point I disagree with is Unknownspy having to remove any of their suggestive works, as they still post suggestive animations and art to this day. They label themselves as not for kids so I'm unsure where the idea they were becoming more family friendly came from.
Recently spy made their main mascot sploot a lot more pg than what they used to be. That could’ve been what stream was referring to, but regardless your point still stands
I think it’s more of the fact they are in a community commonly is known to have children. It’s not a surprise that the “meme” community has children. And spy has their works with easy access and suggestive. So it’s not too far fetch to be critical of Spy especially since their works are in a child’s space even if they label themselves as not for kids. One has to be mindful of these things.
@@randoexpresso1105 I disagree with animation memes being purely a child's space, there's plenty of adult animators that are in that sphere that use it for practice. There are a lot of suggestive, gorey, and sometimes down right triggering content that are animation memes. If it says not for kids that's all the creator can really do, you can't control an audience beyond that.
@@akiraohalloran so would you say a fandom, such as MLP, that DOES have gore and adult content is now not made with the soul purpose to be only for kids? Now that this content exist it’s only for adults or for all ages now? t’s just a fact that a large majority of animation memes are made by and for children. No disagreeing will unfortunately change that fact. You can say that there are older content creators out there, I’m not disagreeing with that. But to not acknowledge that a fandom is made of mostly children and make content that is easy to access or say that you disagree of people having criticism of a content creator not being more mindful of this fact is disingenuous. Going to edit this bc I can feel ppl are going to assume things: I do agree tagging is important and is the responsible thing for a creator to do. My comment is so acknowledge and accept the fact that if a adult creator is going to make content in a space made up of mostly children they HAVE to be really careful and mindful. And the truth is. A lot of meme creators are not. So, it’s not surprising that people DO have grievances with them. And it’s a fact that at the end of the day a large part of animation memes where made mostly by and for children.
@@randoexpresso1105 But animation memes are broad in comparison to a fandom, and I've only personally ever seen it created by adults like Yeager, Sir Fluff, Beautysnake, Wingedwolf94, Roxxy, and the list could go on. I don't think it's fair to say it's made by children exclusively when there's so many adult animators that have made it their living and have even created their own original memes for other's to copy. I will never see the animation meme community for children only when it's so vast. It's like gatekeeping animation all together for children for how vast it is. It's not something that is intended for kids like MLP because it doesn't have a soul creator/s, it's a layout. The layout being, animate your character to music, that's so broad. I've been watching animation memes since childhood, looking up to the adults, granted they're are somethings I probably shouldn't have watched but there were warnings and I just didn't listen, that's on me not them.
Im 23 and for the past two years people younger than me (15-18) who used to be my followers and fans of my art have copied a lot of things from me. my ideas, designs, character lore, fan designs. no matter how personal they were. and later on it got worse, some people started copying me. as a person. they started imitating and copying my personality, my psychological issues, my disorders, characters I relate to or see myself as (Not kinning, it was/is something serious I have to deal with) and so on. and what Ive heard it still goes on today. all of this has triggered me dozens of times, made me su*cidal and almost attempt even. many times. even after I blocked these people everywhere. some still stalk and shit talk me, simply because of the uncommon way that I suffer. they dont see it as valid. but none of this, not even once, has made me callout these people. I know they are either children, malicious people, or both. I do not want to experience any of this, and dont want it to continue, which is why I block freely and leave it at that. I do vent about it sometimes, but only to my close friends. if I knew I couldnt handle sudden popularity like this and its consequences, I wouldve never joined this specific community. I feel for spy, but their behaviour is extremely immature, dangerous, creepy and self destructive. I should know, I suffer from self destructive behaviours lol. oh and yeah, not to even mention all the unforgivable and unexcusable nsfw stuff. youtube is 13+ which means children/young teens are allowed to be on here. sure, we random adults are not their caretakers, but having a cute and simple art style is obviously very appealing to children. if your content appeals to children, it very much IS our responsibility to keep those children safe from content that could be harmful to them. youtube is a public place on the internet. it is seriously not hard at all to keep nsfw stuff in a place meant strictly for adults (twitter*, onlyfans, patreon), while keeping the sfw stuff in public places that kids are allowed to be in. idc what anyone says, posting nsfw and very suggestive stuff in public platforms that children are allowed to be in is the exact same as some freak walking around at a mall with an ahegao hoodie on *twitter is nowadays very full of children so even there Id suggest to post nsfw stuff on a private account, but then again, it is 17+. that app is not meant for children. personally I care way too much about kids and their safety so I wouldnt be able to post nsfw publicly.
Kinda stopped liking unknown spy when they started only posting softcore p-word all over their accounts. I was looking at that shit as a minor, not knowing that I shouldn't have been looking at it :\ It's not hard to keep adult content like that away from public spaces.
To make this worse: within Artfight last year, a thing about giving to others, they designed OCs for other people, didn't label them and then just took the designs when everyone was confused as to which design was theirs
Their animations have always had suggestive themes they activly put warnings on their content. Its not their fault if kids ignore it they even have their age limit on the account
@@MidnightCapricorn2696 yeah, idrc abt the suggestive stuff as much (though i do wish they did put more content warnings on their stuff) but the art fight thing caused me to unsub and leave their content entirely for a more indepth explanation if people dont know: art fight is an event that happens every july. you send "attacks" to other artists that are just drawing their ocs. some people have a "make me an oc" 'character' where you can submit an attack where you make them a custom instead of drawing a diff oc that they have. spy decided to do a "mass attack" (an attack that includes multiple, and oftentimes MANY other people's characters) which are worth more points (since its two sides fighting, each attack gains points depending on how large and polished and timestaking it is). spy's mass attack was drawing customs for fifty-two people. however, none of them were labelled, it was essentially just 52 random characters in a grid, no label, no description, nothing. this attack got THOUSANDS of points all while spy never told the recipients who's was who's. the most insidious thing though was that AFTER THE SCORES WERE CALCULATED, meaning after they were set in stone, spy DELETED the attack. those points were not removed from the team's total since again, they'd been calculated. so she literally just led on over 50 people for no reason other than fake internet points. its not the worst thing someone can do evar!!1! but i just couldnt look at her content in the same way ever again
@@scarlettthefoxno it is not its not a content creators job to babysit kids. They put thoes warning on to mention its not for kids. If kids overstep that thats not only stepping a boundary but thats on them
Bro, I really liked Unknown Spy, I mean, when she started doing more suggestive stuff I started to be like "get out of my feed", now with this? Girl's acting like a 9 years old 💀
Happy calling children "underage specimens" when talking about adults being attracted to and possibly dating them is disgusting, those are people being taken advantage of not specimens. And they think they should be allowed to have a voice in a situation in which children are in danger
@@silverfang405 Welcome to society, where children are dehumanized and viewed as property of their parents rather than humans while adults are put on a pedestal and worshipped like gods. When push comes to shove, we'll see who the real God is here. (Disregard that if you don't believe)
how did it not occur to unknown spy that this teenager was copying more and more because she kept interacting and reacting to it, if she had actually left it alone the kid would have moved on ages ago
unknownspy has some... interesting behavior patterns. i can't prove the following since i don't have screenshots, but i'll share my own (albeit much less serious) story here anyway: a while back, unknownspy created a universe/story/etc called 'world of none' (? iirc) and it was basically about organized stick figure fighting. each stick figure had their own unique weapons and stuff. afaik, that was it, and it's also all i remember. she later ENCOURAGED the fanbase to make ocs for the story. this was fine and dandy until, at some point, she must've went through her own oc tag and looked at all the different characters... and... 1. screenshotted all of the ones that had design traits in common 2. put them all in a collage 3. put it on her instagram story basically calling all of her fans unoriginal for... making characters that shared design elements? and i remember seeing my oc in the absolutely massive crowd that she'd grabbed for seemingly no reason. and it did hurt a little! it's such an odd way to treat fans' fanwork for YOUR universe to me. i dunno. hearing her name mentioned again made me remember it
I was literally JUST talking to my boyfriend about how I felt like UnknownSpy was going to/has been in some type of chronically online drama and well... here we are.
I actually used to watch and enjoy unknownspy’s content, especially as a kid, but after hearing about this drama, I stopped. Because it just put such a bad taste in my mouth- anywho glad someone is making a video on this!! Edit: Also seeing Happy and her fans lash out at this video is genuinely, even though it sounds a bit corny, embarrassing. I already said this but Jesus Christ, talk about being able to dish it out but not take it.
Honestly, I think everyone in this situation was just immature as hell. But if the minor in question had an NSFW account, then that should've been called out, controversial take? I know, Im sorry. No kid should be posting 18+ artworks to public space where there are LITERAL creeps. The rest of the stuff probably could've been handled in private.. in all honesty, this is just another "Sashley traced Typh" thing. Spy could've been more mature about this.
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Edit: The art in the thumbnail of Happy's video was drawn by Noi. The only edits made were the weird pixilation that implied censorship of the breasts on the character and problem slapped on the face: x.com/BlueMarivn/status/1821699489046135128
Spy was not aware about Noi being in NSFW spaces/showing other minors NSFW when she originally wrote the 100 page doc and added it later when she found out.
Happy and her fans are now trying to imply I am a groomer for making this video: x.com/StreamWorks_/status/1813470081495560230
Stop raiding Happy’s Discord ffs, this video is literally talking about how unnecessary harassment is.
I’m really impressed how many people can see into the future here. You’ve watched the video before it even premiered and shared it with everyone. Rats, how will I get away with my crimes now.
SOBBING yeaahhh.. the amount of people just completely assuming the worst with your video before it even premieres is mental
I think StreamlineWorkshop will have a good take on this subject, don't respond before the question is asked!
Ok.. so basically.. Both parties are at fault here..
@@Wroar2020syes both art basically at fault while spy made ALOT of post and stuff about it. Nori is also a danger to themsleves and others
@@alexisdied4558 also... the propagandist (HappylikeAwall) is here in the live comments 💀💀💀
Society when we realize that “kids can do really shitty things that deeply upset people” and “that doesn’t mean adults should stoop to their level and fight them as if they were adults” can and SHOULD coexist
This right here- The amount of people I've seen, that are in their 20s that act like this, is scarily alarming. This is coming from someone that's in their early 20s rn
It is what it is. 🤷♂️
@@theSixPathsOfTrains shouldnt be
Noi “copies” and “harasses” Spy: takes 2 years to block them
Streamline calls Spy out: takes 2 seconds to block them
The phone thing is a really cute gimmick, but in practice, some of the screenshots are waaaay too small. It's almost impossible to read and even if you're reading them aloud, it feels like we should be able to as well
100%, I think it’s so creative but for the sake of evidence a bit impractical. If it was bigger and took up more of the screen (like a tablet) I think that would be so cute!
I like it too but I feel like someone like a smart phone would be better so the key pad wouldn’t be in the way
Edit: spelling
By spy’s logic. The whole art/animation meme Community are copying eachother
LITERALLY
Yeah but that's not new or anything In my opinion when anyone on the Internet irl do that it's like copying off of someone else test
She never said that
She's literally a part of the meme community.
which technically we are, but bro... he's 16. when i was 16, i was eating grass (exaggerating to say i was dumb as fuck).
it is overly exaggerated and as stated in the video, copying is normal as kids and we kinda need to do it to learn. we start copying our parents so we start to talk and walk. nothing is totally original. and yeah, plagiarism is bad, but this isn't it.
Exactly I’ve been a part of the animation meme community for five years and everything looks copied except for the art styles
We need to stop treating hating or dehumanizing kids as a likeable trait.
Edit; I think I left the stove on for too long in the replies.
I disagree, children suck (joking), but some kids online are just looking for the nsfw channels just to frame them as Pdf files, which I find stupid since they are putting themselves willingly in that situation
@@ztdtlf9717well children r stupid. But in this specific situation a lot of the things could’ve been prevented if the adults involved didn’t engage with the 16 y.o (i forgot their name)
@@chromaticmono6406 To an extent that's fair unless the kid in question keeps finding ways to screw with your mind
@@ztdtlf9717 if the kid keeps “screwing with ur mind” then u disengage. Its the adults responsibly to assess the situation and provide the best outcome.
Realist thing I've heard all day (I'm a minor myself)
im sorry but
if you're in a relationship in which your parents have to actively watch over you to ensure the older person you're dating isn't _grooming_ you, I think that's a sign that there shouldn't be a relationship in the first place. No matter how 'healthy' the relationship is, the fact the adult has to prove they aren't taking advantage of the minor makes the power dynamic INHERENTLY _PREDATORY._
no not really, I think that's just an opinion. And eww you used the word minor wtf
Just a nitpick (I haven’t watch the full thing sorry 😭) the way they call noi “the minor” instead of their name or maybe even “this kid” is so STRANGE to me like,, minor is a legal term if I remember correctly and it feels weird it’s like their treating them like some sort of creature
Couldn’t help but read “the minor” in David Attenborough’s voice
*“And here we have the minor, prancing about in its natural habitat”*
Like, what was stopping them from saying “child”
Honestly I was a Noi at 14 years old, that is a sign of major issues.
It's not Spy's job to babysit someone who is going through something, but it very much is Spy's job as a person with a platform to comprehend what this behaviour could potentially mean and just stay away or warn fellow adults to stay away.
@@adish1401to add onto your point: i hope they eventually grow out of it and/or are in a better space as they get older. I can't speak on whether or not I was this much of a little shit at this age, though. I don't think I was but I don't remember.
As an adult: annoying teenagers are indeed irritating to deal with but after having a little back and forth exchange or some verbal jousting and they're still going, just best to move on...not make a friggin doc. This kid does *not* at all deserve potentially having hundreds of people send them harassment.
@@derpkipperas a annoying teenager: can confirm. I was harassed for drawing a character black and It fucked me UP it didn’t help that I was getting bullied irl too 😭 i have anxiety attacks and I gotta go to therapy now.
I treat all people like creatures.
This is just Sashley/Tearazah "wah wah wahhhh they stole muh artstyleeee" bullshit againnnnn GOD
Those names gave me flashbacks to back when basically anything Sashley did would garner drama. Pose slightly too similar to another pose? BAD. Character shares one aspect/color with another artist? BAD. Or the hundreds of Sashley tracers and tracers OF the Sashley tracers.
Oh god I remember that. Back when goattaco was dumb💀
If you think about it art is taking from something else and made into another item,thing or concept. So low key all art is like this.
@@Gustyguy*goatcatto :)
This is INCREDIBLY petty and brings up another thing I see in the art community that's so stupid. Artists get their panties in a twist the second someone does something even remotely similar to their work whether that be a pose or a "similar outfit". A lot of the art is similar in poses and maybe in the style but it's not directly ripping them off. Young artists take a lot of inspo from other artists they like while they're trying to get better and improve, also Spy's work isn't completely original at all. This whole thing is incredibly corny and immature.
Maaaan thats what I'm sayin too
i got called a five year old by happy for stating i didn't know what was happening during a chaotic chat flood in their server. i do not like happy.
Yeah she sounds rly toxic. Hopefully u got the hell out of there.
Yeah seeing her takes here throughout the video just comes across so pretentious I don’t really like her either.
@@derpkipper She really is from all my experiences with her. She got pissy when referred to as they and was pretty rude most of the time. Heck everytime she got into a twitter argument or someone called her out she would post it in her server, @ everyone and talk about it. If people argued with her in her server, she would put them in a public "pit of shame" where her and the mods would keep them till they apologise.
@@dillydraws THEY GOT INTO A PIT OF SHAME? I got a fuckin ban over a meme drawing. Happy's fans are fuckin insane
@@dillydraws wow it's almost as if Happy and Noi are no different from each other
As a recently turned 20 year old, "who's going to protect the adults? ;^;" is deadass the funniest thing i have ever heard to have came out of this stupid drama
@@HappyLikeAwall Watched your video when it came out a while back. I see where you are coming from, heck, you are valid to feel that way! Respectfully. Kids don't get a free pass if they are literally breaking TOS, period. No one does. It's the rules! (By that I mean harrassment + raids + doxxing)
When it comes to children, they are still growing and most likely acting on the influences in their environment. What you think is a "free pass" is actually the fact that people want to hold them accountable while also understanding they could be in danger, and are showing those red flags. I hope you improve how you handle things in the future with regards to the safety of others.
Adults are arguably 100% allowed to call out minors on their behavior, the issue is, that we need to make sure it's done responsibly, and mindfully in order to ensure we don't accidentally make something worse. It's not your job to parent a random kid, so there is no reason to "teach them a lesson." Block, warn others, and use the many resources you have at your disposal to rid yourself of their presence as much as possible. There are plenty of spaces I was in growing up where kids would try to act out, but were swiftly dealt with through good moderation.
That's the thing. It also more effort then we would like, but that's unfortunately just the internet. There are so many methods and resources that prevent raids, for example from happening. From screenshots I've seen, you already have some! Discord bots are great to control raids, and also moderators.
I guess what I am saying is that the way we feel is valid, but the actions we take when we are upset are not always valid. I hope you are safe.
Thanks, hope you understand!
@@HappyLikeAwall That would of been agreeable if you guys didn't send an horde of angry fans at an child.
@@HappyLikeAwall Children don't have a free card. Anyone can do awful things online and accuse others of "carreer" ending stuff. In the same manner, anyone has the right to call out bad behavior and defend themselves. It's not that adults literally can't/aren't supposed to do anything about it when it comes to the actions of minors; stop twisting the message like that. Within the first 6 minutes of the video, Streamline literally says that had it been a small callout, it would've been perfectly fine. It's just that people expect adults to be reasonable, and it's pretty hard to defend a 140 PAGE DOCUMENT as a reasonable course of action.
@@HappyLikeAwallok but you and your friend have been stalking a minor for 2 years both of you are the weird ones here
If anything I would say you and your friend ruined you're own careers here ngl you
And your sentence would have been valid if you didn't handle the situation the way you did you literally stalked a minor for 2 years and sent a bunch of angry fans their way that is just a concoction of trouble and there's no excuse for it
You are the adult you handle it like an adult
I will say I don't agree with doxxing or raids at all that's not something I agree with but you are not the kids parent you do not get to say I'm going to teach this person a lesson block report move on and if this happened on discord you can get moderation fact is you are an adult you handle it like an adult
Well well well, what do we have here? the real happy? Hmmm I remember watching your videos…what was that one video I saw? Hmmmm…oh yeah. The one where you’re like “what’s up with kids” while adding a clickbait lewd drawing like a TH-cam kids content farmer. Maybe I would have agreed with your points and arguments if you didn’t make your content 16+, cause surprise! surprise! The age of consent may be 16 -18 in other countries but that doesn’t mean the mental state of a 16 year old is able to handle your clickbaity nsfw videos. If you didn’t know, exposure to this stuff even when you are 16 can damage the maturing and growth of your prefrontal cortex, the part of your brain that is responsible for your decision making and cognitive thinking. Might I also add that the exposure of this content can also cause your dopamine receptors to fuck up the distribution of the chemical which can cause kids to be more susceptible to addictions? Since dopamine is the chemical that causes the feelings of satisfaction and motivation? Which is something addicts keep running after?
Oh who am I kidding, you are too innocent and saintly to ever do that! You need to be protected! Protect the adults guys! Yeah. Sure. “Preach” I guess. If I had a dollar for every clickbait thumbnail you’ve made I’d have enough to make marketable plushies of you. Not like anyone would actually fund it unless you made your character lewd.
“Whos gonna protect the adults!?” Uh…themselves…??
Also someone being developmentally disabled doesn’t mean they get a pass for being a predator christ
People need to stop acting like us developmentally disabled people are children in adult bodies
YES! PREACH MY GUY!!!
@@Sinc3r3lysome of their brains literally don't grow past certain ages though
Not saying its ok for them to after kids though
Except that's not how the internet works. If a kid runs into an adult space, unlike real life, unless they stated their age honestly and there's a proper age validation process (which isn't true for many sites and messengers), these kids can go around doing all sorts of crazy shit and then get away with it, while getting the adults in trouble even if they have no idea. And how do you protect against that? Literally the ONLY way is to filter via age, and if they get around that, adulys online can't protect themselves for shit aside banning people when they say they're minors directly or suggest it strongly enough. And Happy's right, where the fk are the parents in this?
I will never understand what the big deal with young artists "copying" more popular artists is. Like dude they are still learning and obviously if your art is what they are taking inspo from they look up to you. Even if they are copying your art style itself who cares? It's unlikely they'll be doing that forever. Studying other people's art styles in a genuine learning technique, people do it with old artists all the time.
Yeah like it's normal as an artist to see a piece of art and be inspired by it and want to incorporate a specific aspect of it into your own art, consciously or subconsciously. It's just that as you grow, you learn how to draw inspiration from sources in a way that is more original and doesn't look like a copy of the thing that inspired you. Young artists are only just developing that skill and aren't as good at drawing inspiration from enough different sources and putting in enough unique ideas to make the art original. What they need is space to be allowed to train their skills and maybe some guidance by a more experienced artist, not a fucking callout post.
If someone "steals" (takes inspiration from) my art I'd be very happy. Sadly, that won't happen because I'm pretty bad at art lol.
The Sashley Drama is part of what made it difficult for me to draw as often as I wanted to as a kid. I now still struggle to get up and draw because I'm scared, and people like Spy feeding into this mess of a "callout trend" is 100% wrong. It also continues to distract from more serious issues, like children being put in unsafe situations in favor of petty drama.
fr, if anyone were to take inspiration from my art, no matter their age, i would do backflips from joy
wait until Spy finds out about BrujoAri, whose fanbase loves his art style and imitate it to an extent (and why wouldn't they be? It looks really good!)
"The next people who create a 'they stole my art style' situation will be dragged into my basement and be forced to listen to megalovania untill their ears bleed" Yo, can I help you with that? /j
me too i wanna force em to play shadow of the erdtree
MEGALOVANIA is too good,
Do the airhorn version of Megalocancer
Finally the NFL earrape theme will finally be worth it to usw
But megalovania sounds good (unless you mean that it will bring back trauma for them cuz they died to Sans too many times)
I'll help too
What’s with artist suddenly being overly protective of their art? It’s fine to not want people to trace or copy you, but getting angry at people being INSPIRED by your art is weirdo behavior.
I once had a young artist get inspired by my art and I remember feeling so happy. I felt nice that someone liked my art so much they got inspired by it, so idk what these guys are on abt lol.
unknownspy has seemed really full of herself lately imo, i recall seeing people in her comments asking questions and stuff about the characters and she replies really snarkily as if she is irritated by her own fans
Right?? I stopped liking their content a while ago cause of how sexual it was. I came back just to see what she was up to, but there are multiple posts where she gets weirdly offended when her characters are compared to something else. I get being annoyed as an artist, but she was responding to every comment that was mentioning it-
@@chromaticmono6406 yeah, just reeks of superiority complex to me, i get being irritated but theres a line you cross when you get aggressive with people who are just harmlessly interacting with your art, not to mention all the examples from the video where shes complaining about pose theft and background theft?? please grow up
@saltyspitoon2539 Throwing in my experience with Unknownspy. I answered a question of a user asking about something, and Spy was seemingly angry at me answering someone's simple question. Idk if that's normal with other people who make oc's and such.
RIGHT?!?!
didn’t she draw ppls characters for art fight and then try to sell them as adoptable or am i misremembering
Spy has a habbit of going after younger artist for "copying their style!" Where the minor in question doesn't even have 1% of their followers
One time they went after a kid for having a inspired style to them MULTIPLE TIME on their Instagram stories and it was always
"They draw hands like this! They make the legs like this! Lineart like that!"
And even showing dm's telling them to stop "copying them"
When spy could just block the person in question they don't loose any form of monetary gain and all it shows is an unhealthy obsession with thinking nobody can do it like them
When in reality they are just as unoriginal as everyone els
damn, what a loser
@@ThatGreenMach1ne honestly I just think they are exstremely insecure
@@GaetorCreation that's really weird cause Spy's artwork is pretty good. Honestly I can't imagine getting this pissy over it.
People like that are how I locate and support up and coming new creators
lose*
1. Being asexual does NOT stop you from being able to groom someone. Grooming is something that makes the child feel stuck, they don’t even have to be attracted to you. The person could groom the child romantically too, and depending on that child’s mental status, it could very well work. Which is horrifying but it’s the truth.
2. Using a sexuality as an EXCUSE is insane. You may be asexual but using THAT sexuality as a reason to why you can’t do something as broad as grooming someone is actually absurd. Keep in mind, when figuring out you’re asexual you have to eventually learn that there’s a difference between sexual and romantic love, sure as a kid you could think “you’d only be groomed sexually so I’m safe”, but no actually! Maybe an ADULT could clue in the ladder, but apparently not.
Above all I’m disappointed and it’s actually horrid to call someone grooming someone else a “mistake”. Like bffr why are we caring about groomers and abusers again?? “He ONLY killed one guy and it was by accident like the gun just happened to fire!! Okay yeah I loaded it and pulled the trigger and made the conclusion to actually shoot, but cmon!!”
PREACH, MADAME/GOOD SIR!
Yeah, grooming doesn't have to be for sexual purposes, grooming by itself is a manipulative tactic to encourage certain behaviors and actions that the groomer wants for their own gain, and also can make it easier to control someone.
If i see another "drama" of a adult getting pissy over children "copying/talking inspiration" for them I'm actually going to loss my shit
Have we not learnt after almost a decade of this shit
Omg a child being shitty, boo hoo
I do very much understand my actions of what I did those two years ago, of course I deleted those NSFW channels and stopped interacting with those kinds of accounts, I am trying to improve myself from my past and what I have done. I am just really tired of this drama and I'm honestly very thankful that you've covered this, spy has been taking a lot of stuff I have said or images out of context just so she can make herself look better
I have also been getting help on the suggestive stuff since I'm really used to drawing that kind of stuff I have been trying to tone it down from the things that I have been drawing, and I have been taking inspiration from mostly other artists and not those 2 fuckwads, I understand I shouldn't have been in those NSFW spaces or even those kinds of spaces I'm also sorry that you got dragged into this dumb drama.
I also did explain in my document that yes I was a grooming victim before, which made me turn into the hypersexual that I am now, I am trying to work on myself and all this drama and crap but it's really hard when people are busting in my ears about stuff that I'm trying to ignore or just not pay attention to because I really don't want to get into it again.
(I see happy in the comments)
Didn’t anyone reply, so I hope you’re doing much better now! ❤
All the best on your healing journey!
Hopefully you are doing much better now
We forgive you! ❤
Hey at least you’re getting the help and improvement you need, good job❤
Even if Happy was right about the "15 year old dating a 20 year old" thing, you would have to be delusional to think that the motivation for the 20 year old wasn't because they wanted power. Power dynamics play a role in abusive relationships, abusers tend to seek out victims who are "below" them in some way (maturity, financial status, living conditions, etc.). Thus making them easier to control and more vulnerable. Minors can't maintain healthy romantic relationships because of factors like experience and puberty. You can still have an abusive relationship with a 15 year old and a 20 year old without it being sexual.
@@HappyLikeAwall age of consent isn't age of adulthood though, they're different things so if an adult is dating a teenager without them having a pre-existing relationship where they were both teens, a 15 year old with a 20 year old still doesn't work. A 15 year old doesn't even meet the age of consent, though even beyond that this person is talking about the morality of the situation which differs from legality.
@@HappyLikeAwall Stop copy pasting
@@HappyLikeAwall The Romeo and Juliet laws only apply when there's a 1-2 year gap in the relationship. A 15 year old and 20 year old have a 5 year age gap. Also, you said that the age of consent is 16 in your country, but you said a *15* year old, not 16. Most countries with 16 as their age of consent can still penalize you if you're 3 or more years older than your s/o. Even if sexual acts weren't involved in the relationship, it would still be weird and predatory because of the difference in maturity.
@@HappyLikeAwall A "basic bit of research" would tell you that Romeo and Juliet laws are typically applied to 2-4 year gaps between TEENAGERS. It would also tell you that Romeo and Juliet laws are to protect teenagers from being charged with statutory r*pe. First off, why are you bringing up laws that pertain to statutory r*pe in a relationship where "shreggs isn't involved"?
Secondly, do you just... not consider the fact that a relationship between a 15 year old and a 20 year old is extremely morally reprehensible? "Shreggs not being involved" is literally the only thing preventing the relationship you're defending from being illegal in most parts of the world. That said, just because it's not illegal doesn't mean it's okay. In any scenario, there's a pretty big gap in maturity and brain development between a 15 year old and a 20 year old. I feel like you, of all people, would know that, considering your stance on minors not belonging in adult spaces. (No, i'm not implying that I disagree with you on that.) Anyway, that's not even considering the social aspects; i'm pretty sure most people wouldn't be supportive if a 15 year old said that they were in a relationship with a 20 year old and vice versa.
Both legally and morally, 5 years REALLY isn't a "small age gap" when you're talking about an adult dating a minor. Aside from citing a law that doesn't support your case in any capacity, how are you so stubborn that you're defending a college student dating a middle schooler/freshman high school student? Don't misconstrue my argument, I'm not implying you're a groomer. I'm questioning your beliefs and reasoning. Are you really saying you'd be okay with someone your age dating a highschool freshman or middleschooler? PLEASE consider how bad this belief makes your arguments look. A 15 year old, a minor, wouldn't be able to be in the same spaces as a 20 year old, an adult, but they'd be able to be in a relationship?
@@HappyLikeAwallew, the allistic superiorist/pdf file supporter showed up... yeah no im outta here.
The closest type of drama I had been familiar with regarding unknownspy was through a mutual of mine on Instagram, who said that she had accused them of copying her SOLEY because they had an alien oc who had antennae BARELY resembling her oc sploot. The character in question didn't even REMOTELY look like Spy's character (it was a completely different color palette and had hair and a different body shape) yet Spy went out to message this person and demanded they change the design. They were, again, a way smaller artist than Spy. Seeing how Spy has addressed this whole situation, I am not surprised.
Is there any proof of this?? Like screenshots or a post I can look at? Im very curious to see this
@@moonrabbit719 this also happened with my friend who took inspiration from sploot with their alien oc(different color pallet and outfit even though spy try to use it that as a point as well??). Sploot is just a green alien with big round antenna with an optional tail. It’s not like sploot is that original either if we are talking solely about the base design 😭
I remember when unknownspy and their followers bullied crucorvus for copying sleepykinq's baby hotline meme (they were nothing alike beside slowing the audio down, which cru's was even slower) to the point cru had to apologize to sleepykinq and credit them as "inspiration" (cru wasn't even inspired by them) before later unlisting their video. I'm pretty sure sleepykinq never even knew about cru or what unknownspy said.
nah thats crazy
you talking about the one from 5 years ago? i just watched it and theyre NOTHING ALIKE.
@@rosebud8027It’s nuts that Spy would (allegedly) go after Cru on someone else’s behalf. Someone who didn’t even know about Cru.
@@furrydbz I thought his name was now Twisted Doctor or something along those lines?
@@gem_b7798it used to be sleepykinq
I'm the same age as Unknown Spy and seeing her at her grown age misuse her platform to go after a 16 year old is so sickening? Do you not have better things to do? Especially since the callout had NOTHING of substance to truly call out Noi and ignored the safety of Noi being compromised as well as other minors in NSFW spaces. Is Noi being a shitty kid? Sure, a lot of teens have growth that needs to be made. Cannot believe no one caught on as quickly how horrible this callout was.
honestly im not surprised, have been a part of a previous drama where unknownspy made a whole doc about a friend of mine known as Zoethemonster, when she was young and had a developmental disorder, and the reason she was called out was based first only on her copying unknownspy's characters (which is normal for young developing artist) then spiraled out into a whole drama with several out of context screenshots and claims.
And my friend was harassed so much she has legit developed ptsd that she is still to this day dealing with, constantly being worried she is copying other's characters by accident or that her characters are too similar to the characters of unknownspy.
Edit: forgot to add also that this happened a few years back, when unknownspy was mainly doing the whole program world thing
I used to follow Spy when this happened and I remembered feeling so confused to why the doc was long. 💀 I hope your friend heals from this. The art community can be very discouraging to young beginner artists.
@@Litchinensis yea I agree with you there, she is still healing from the process, luckily most of the drama is over but there are still some traces of it with people who still believe her to be a copycat
I remember this! I remember In the discord group chat of Spy saying that the photo mood board collage Zoe made wasn’t ‘art’ or somethin??? (can’t exactly remember). And I defended saying that the collage is her creation, a combination of images to create something new/ an effect (my actual opinion) . I talked to her again for the first time in 4 years (I was a really shy and busy person) after my discord account got hacked for a while I had to delete links and I apologised. We talked, She was a nice person, mentioning about university, how she improved her art, etc.
@@patheticghost7853 yea zoe is a really nice person in reality, really sucks how she had to go through all the stuff with spy, really hope that more people realize how wrong spy really was
@patheticghost7853 Okay but fr tho wtf Spy yapping about moodboards not being "art"💀 at that point she's just bullshitting because moodboards are meant for gathering images to create a specific theme. 🤦
My only concern is what happy said in the chat about a 16 year old and 20 year old dating. I know she’s from a different country but it doesn’t make it right. I’ve said my peace I hate no one here have good days
16 and 20...is a stretch like it is one age away from disgusting but also depends when they met and stuff.
16 and 20 is only a 4 year age difference but it is definitely weird
@alexisdied4558 you definitely won't be saying this when you're about 5 to 10 years older. 🤨
@@derpkipperagain really depends. Like sometimes Freshmen and Seniors get together in high school and the relationship lasts. It’s weird but not inherently predatory or wrong. Like you see 13-14 year olds dating 17-18 year olds in high school. A 4 year age difference between high schoolers happens and sometimes they last for years. This it’s very situational. More often than not it’s much worse than two high school lovers having dated for a few years with a 4 year relationship so one becomes more and more of an adult while the other one is still a minor but and older minor.
@@mwokozi a 17 year old dating a 13 year old is fucking INSANE wtf are you on 😭
@@mwokozi hey, captain obvious here. a 13/14 year old is massively different from a 17/18 year old sociologically & biologically which creates something called a power dynamic, which in this context refers to someone much younger with much less social rights & status (by way of age) getting into a relationship with someone who is much older, with much more rights, more status, more physical development of the brain, identity and body.
With puberty there is a MASSIVE difference to an indivdual when they are 13 to when they are 15, causing internal relationship issues (here refering to 13yo with 15yo) that become inherently exploitative with a dynamic like 13 with 17, the younger party is unable to consent.
The same is applicable to a 16 year old with a 20 year old.
If this has happened to you or anyone you know, I urge you go talk to some sort of helpline or trusted friend! Even if this is 'normal' by way of how common it might have been for you, it really isn't healthy due to the inherently explotitive power dynamics - 17 year olds aren't normally attracted to 13 year olds for a reason, likewise with 20 year olds with 16 year olds, there's a noticable lack of development. If the older party is unable to tell that lack of development that's quite concering!
The only time age gaps are normal is when both parties are experienced consenting adults, like 35 & 50 is a major age gap but provided both met when they were adults, its normal.
Since there’s an 80% chance Happy’s gonna see this as she looks for comments to argue with, lemme say something real quick:
Happy, relentlessly searching for all the comments criticizing you and your statements to form obscenely long and draining rebuttals against them for an undetermined amount of time doesn’t make you look like the bigger person, it makes you look insecure, petty, and obsessed. You know that, right?
FINALLY someone calling out unknownspy for leaving "not for kids" videos up alongside videos for kids. I used to follow unknownspy and even had a conversation on DA with them about their animation process, I really liked their older character designs (i remember a big favorite of mine was the power button character) but I quickly shyed away from their content when they got super suggestive on main. I'm ace and averse so thats just not my vibe, and I worried about it not being age restricted or having an (age)+ in the title...
@@purrpletiger2159 You handled it better than me. If I were to talk to unknownspy on DA, my account would get banned from what I would say to her.
@@gem_b7798 Yeah honestly I was kinda annoying to them when I did talk to them, I was pointing out mistakes in their animation in a rude way cus I hadn't learned how to give critique respectfully yet lol. I had no ill will towards them I just was kinda mean with my advice cus I didnt know better
WHY IS A 27 YEAR OLD STALKING A 14 YEAR OLD IM SCREAMINT
"PROTECT THE ADULTS" NO ARREST THEM
Imagine you are the 27 year old in question
Put up a sign saying; "hey, this place is not for minors, don't come in here"
*The sign is ignored
You put another sign
"Hey adults only"
*Gets ignored again
Then the person says "ayo you shouldnt be drawing this next to me, im a minor."
So yeah warnings dont solve anything and you missed the entire point, the point is THERE ARE places in the internet that kids shouldnt be allowed, it puts them at risk and the 27 year old person wont take their precious time to monitor 24 hours a day just to watch over someone else's children online, parents should do this, but any topic regarding parental responsibility both in this video and the comments are treated as a taboo?
@@Thiscatinmypfo That's why you block them, not sic your BIG following on them. Yeah we should make it clear that they're not allowed in NSFW spaces without stooping to their level and harass them.
@@MEGaRandomMea In another words heres the logic;
Making a discord where children and adults can erp together? = Its fine, just block and ignore it.
Calling attention to it and pointing cases of children getting exposed to literal p**n scenarios online?= You're literally stepping on their level, stop it.
Before i start, no im not trying to make fun of you, just using a example of why i dont think that doesnt make sense, i do understand that kids shouldnt Held responsable the same ways adults do for their actions but the worst that happened is NOI loosing an account, This is nothing compared to the trial of a person in a real-life courtroom, while this, lets take Happylikeawall for an example, to this day is still getting harassed and threathened with doxxing. Also regardging harassment, not in a single moment Happylikeawall said to harass Noi in her video, even said to not do so at the start of it, but she's not getting the same treatment, It's not a question of "defending adults from children" That's not the point, but to expose the bad things children can expose themselves to, create and do online and also how much this needs to be stopped and actually taken serious.
Wich is the entire point Stream missed or left out of the video.
@@Thiscatinmypfo "In another words heres the logic;
Making a discord where children and adults can erp together? = Its fine, just block and ignore it.
Calling attention to it and pointing cases of children getting exposed to literal p**n scenarios online?= You're literally stepping on their level, stop it."
Putting words in my mouth? That's not what I said.
There is no problem in calling out an discord server that is endangering children, the problem is that they treated NOI on the same level as the predators when they could victims to the adult themselves, along with making fun of their art. You can teach them not to go into adult spaces without being an big immature bully about it and send an following of angry fans at them, my problem with how Spy and Happy handle it, they could of done it without the dehumanizing languages towards kids, Block them when they kept copying out of spite and bring attention to the discord without drawing that weird thumbnail and bully the minor
we can both acknowledge kids being sh*tty while at the same time that doesn't mean the adult should act very immature and fight them like their adults.
@@Thiscatinmypfo Imagine defending the harassment of a child (even if.. and take a slow breath with me.. the child is a bad person).
The "20 year old and 15 year old can date" stuff is CRAZY ????
FOR REAL
Happy did elaborate later on, she said it was a typo that she refused to fix after sending it because she didn’t want to seem like she was damage controlling and like
Dude are you actually the r-word . You make a typo, a Very very bad typo, one that completely changes the context of your message and makes you seem like an absolutely disgusting person, and you decide to not fix it because you think you’d look stupid . What the hell is that
I had to pause the video at that point lmfao I was scrolling through the comments to see if anyone else talked about it
17 not 15. But still. Crazy
@@minervoionni36bro. If you are going to call someone a slur, at least have the balls to actually use the slur. Saying “you are an r-word” shows you know why that word is bad and shouldn’t be used yet you still say this. Stop.
@@table2.0 Oh I can reclaim it I just don’t like to
Also I think saying “the r-word” is more funny than actually saying retarded idrk why. I am Quite a special person
Im convinced that Twitter is a gateway drug for others to act stupid or shitty.
You now seeing that? Lol
The way she (HappyLikeAWall) refers to some people as "specimens" is so offputting , could just be me , but it sounds gross and dehumanizing.
She does that alot.
it's giving redditor nihilist tbh. dont let that stale bread make you feel intimidated. granted you're a much better person than she is lol
It sounds like she's talking about an scp or something
THIS IS DRAMA?!? No, this isn't drama. This is both a crime (Considering no one is out here seeing if Noi the MINOR is exposing themselves) They're possibly being gr00med!!! As someone who was online gr00med (I was never out there with my age when I was younger but it was a convo I never started and exposed myself), just because a child acts "mature" doesn't mean anything. They're still VERY young, they have a long way to go. Unknownspy is actively stalking and potentially exposing more gr00mers to Noi's way!! I've been a spectator in the Animation meme community for A LONG WHILE. This is just Sashley and more artist "drama" all over again, even people who were young during when the animation meme community when it was popular took it MORE like an actual adult than an adult who made soft p-word and just harassing a minor who yes, is a little sh-t and exposed other minors but ALSO THEMSELVES?!? I'm about to rip out my hair if I see another pose or outfit "theft". People like them need to learn better.
I find it "funny" when adults get mad when children on the internet do something incredibly minor that could just be solved by reporting and blocking said children
I find funny when you shits can't take responsibility, but you are still developing. Can't judge your immaturity too harshly
... Or we could solve this by stop downgrading the risks of minors on the internet, truly making it a public topic that deserves attention from society, discussing more efficient solutions and educate parents to reinforce their attention to monitoring what their children are doing in the internet.
But any topic that envolves Parental responsability is a taboo or aproached with competitive intention by media
@@ThiscatinmypfoAgreed, but also do you think that how this scenario was dealt with was a proper way to do that?
@@iikoifishii7893 I think it was inevitable when you take everything that happened into context and that if we truly want to prevent it from happening again. We must take the issue to people capable of raising awareness and not making a highly biased video about it, Streamline Ignored a series of details to convey information that she wants to believe in. This video doesn't really have an educational purpose and the way she expressed will do nothing but create two sides pointing fingers at each other which I believe was immensely irresponsible on her part as well.
Again, while i believe that teenagers shouldnt respond to their actions the same way adults do, that doesnt mean they will not one day receive the consequences of their actions if they're not stopped in time, that's why the role of relatives is for, protecting children from themselves. Scenarios like Roi's never go down well and create people like King from discord. Personally im glad that Roi's actions were brought into light initially but I was immensely disappointed when no one gave a damn and now they are accusing the person who brought it up of harassment instead of paying attention to the essential point that, EVERYONE, misssed. That is to learn from this and make this a public issue that deserves society's attention.
@@Thiscatinmypfo I don’t think that’s true, people keep saying that stream didn’t have evidence for things and I’m not denying that, but one , I’ve yet to see evidence that truly invalidates her main point.
Either way it is HIGHLY hypocritical for happy to talk about this scenario, and if not that it’s also super irresponsible for you to push all the blame on someone who you believe to be a victim, and if you ARE gonna do it right, atleast call out the ACTUAL ADULTS who are letting it happen as well.. (whom should be TEN TIMES MORE AS RESPONSIBLE) idc about the “copying” of art, and streamline not once says that Roi shouldn’t be held accountable to the fact that falsely accusing people of pædophili@ is wrong.
Oh my god I remember that post Happy made about “A 15 year old and 20 year old can be in love” that was weird and oh yea what they said about gender
Oh god what did they say about gender
@@Nox.x_ART "There's only two genders" thing
And when they said they found autistic people "annoying"... 😬
@@GyaruTobii yikes they would not like me then lol I have autism
and dont forget how she was ableist on autistic people like "oh yeah if youre born this way like your brain functions a little bit not as usual, i hate you, you piss me off, go off yourself aand youre below me, because i am an allistic supremacist who gets angry AT THESE HAALF HUMAAANS😡"(literal translation of her thoughts btw cause shes a nutjob)
gosh i want happy to shut uppp, can someone educate her on how insane she sounds? its the same as saying "yeah some under-humans piss me off with their existance cause they got a sixth finger on their foot thats so noooootttt normaaallll and makes me maaadddddd"
animation meme community try not to harass minors challenge
Is that Zuzu?
@@TaikoUtau ?? what lol
@@maelinkz I saw your ink theory pfp and got happy
Impossible diff
BASED INK THEORY PFP
I am sick and tired of people blaming kids for being groomed. Same thing happened with Sashley. People who think this way disgust me
Oh god it’s the Sashley drama all over again
That name sent me back 😭
I totally forgot about that oh my god
"youre proof children dont belong on the internet"... they say to streamline... who is an adult...
@Hellothere-h3i not what they said tho is it? They said child. Not "mentally a child" that's not the same thing
@@TheRPGNerddamn they deleted their channel wonder why
Not mentally she's not
@@mkzhero Yes, mentally she is. Don't you have homework to do? Log off
@@j_erkass Good riddance.
Unknown spy put a bad taste in my mouth about a year before the drama had kicked off so I didn’t even know this happened. But somehow. Im unsurprised.
The way they constantly complain about people comparing their art to other media is… well.
To put it like this, you have someone drawing what looks like sonic, several dozen people comment ‘Oh this looks like sonic! Cool!’ And then that someone gets mad about it.
On the one hand I understand that as a popular artist, you’d want to see comments beyond the comparison. But on the other hand, you have a series of drawings with this sonic looking character that talks and dresses like sonic. So when you extend from your follower base, other people who don’t know your work but see it because its so popular are going to comment ‘Oh this looks like sonic, nice.’
The fact that this ire extends into other aspects like not wanting people to be ‘heavily inspired’ by their very unique art style, to not have their outfit challenges be made into the main outfits of ocs, or even making a whole body type sheet and not wanting it to be used as a base.
Idk, maybe its just me, but the way that UnknownSpy and several people they surround themself with police how people interact with their content, makes a petty drama between Spy and Noi inevitable.
What worse is spy is all most 30, like at that point spy shouldn't be acting like this. It's very childish
@@Austin-LA I’m not saying this is for sure, because its speculation. But with how comfortable they were in constantly contacting Noi, telling them to stop, makes me think Spy has done it multiple times before. This was the first time that someone wasn’t intimidated by the big mainstream senpai.
@@generalkudzu8362 but my point at the end of the day, It shouldn't have been a thing to begin with. At a certain point in your life you should learn that being a child like this because a minor was "annoying" to you is petty and immature. Blocking is free and for adults to being this over and over again is ridiculous.
I been online for 11+ years and this type of "drama" in the art community is old
(I'm not mad at you, I'm just sick of seeing the same thing over and over)
@@Austin-LA Oh no I’m in the same boat. Time is a flat circle and nobody will learn from this unfortunately.
For the “outfit challenge” thing it makes sense. She said people can get “inspired” but not just simply took the design and use it as their OC’s main outfit since if people do that, imagine how many OCs are gonna have the EXACT SAME outfit that other people OC’s have
Other than that yea you’re right
I'm so fucking stupid I didn't read the "unknown" part in the title and thought this was about tf2 😭😭
My favourite comment.
Why do I want to see a joke “drama” video of stream or someone “exposing” spy tf2 for idk sapping her drawing tablet or something
Based Comment
Lmaoo
@@Patchouli.Knowledge. I wish it was just about TF2. Just a reminder that Unknown Spy is a disgrace to the "Spy" name.
Tbh, I just feel like UnknownSpy kinda fell off. Don’t get me wrong she’s got a nice art style but the way her content has become oversexualized just decreased a lot of its quality and originality, nowadays her content is just “sexy girl UwU”
Fr. Also I don’t know if it’s just me but I feel like her channel saying 16+ is still kinda weird
You dare upload when I will be on a plane? Can’t believe you hate me specifically smh. (But also keen to hear about whatever nonsense you decided to bury yourself in today.)
Did you watch the vid? In the plane?
Spy is whining about others "copying their art style" when they don't own it because an art style is for self-expression so their literally just saying "Stop expressing yourself this way!!!" as if the kids are claiming that they invented the art style when nobody did. Spy needs to get off the internet and stop acting like a clown and realize that as an adult they need to take responsibility for their actions.
Why can’t people hold kids/teenagers accountable while also treating them like they’re fucking kids/teenagers? If you’re an adult it is YOUR responsibility to respond maturely to a child. Not the other fucking way around. Christ.
I got so livid at the "countries outside America exist" bc like 😭 no duh? And im sure any other country with a lick of sanity when it comes to consent laws will be able to say that an adult and a child dating is NOT OKAY. I'm Romanian, Romania is a country in east europe and with full confidence I can say they are 30 years behind in development, but even my 40-something year old parents would CRINGE at the idea of a 17 yo no less a 15 yo dating a 20 yo
for real!! and might i add, people think too much about the age gap instead of the DIFFERENCE in these cases! for example, when it comes to 3 years between 17 yo and 20 yo, like that should not happen but the age gap is not a problem when it's between two ADULTS. At the end of the day i think it shouldn't be a hot take to say that it's fucked up to want a relationship with someone who isn't even an adult when you are starting your 20's :(
@@weirddd469 EXACTLY OH MY GOD 😭🙏 people focus too much on the actual value of the number itself rather than the gap in maturity. I'm 15 now nearly 16 and I'd NEVER date a 14 y.o because of these maturity differences, just thinking back on myself last year vs me now is absolutely ENOUGH to make me cringe 😭🙏 I feel like ppl often forget and/or don't realize even one year can make a big difference in maturity level ESPECIALLY in teenagers like myself 😭🙏
Yeah, like just because something is legal in another country, doesn’t mean there aren’t people in that country that are against it or that nobody can criticize it.
Happys content which is clearly 18+ being called "16+" by herself is so crazy
To me Spy has a ego problem, while I do think Noy is far from a saint himself, Spy comes across like she's more butt hurt that he's taking inspiration from her rather then the alleged harassment. I find the "pose theft" argument to be especially silly, no one owns a specific pose, it be like if someone accused an artist of stealing their drawing because they did a hand on the hip pose (one of the most common poses to draw)
Not only that but Spy (a 27 year old) should've known that encouraging her fans to basically harass him (a 16 year old) would've end badly. Not only is it an abuse of power over your fans, but when stuff similar to this happened before, the person on the receiving end were send threats, abuse and even in extreme cases doxxed (just look at what happened to Illymation) Spy could've put someone in legit danger all because she couldn't just blocked him and wanted to be seen as the victim
@@skysiren4113 That's because Spy is butthurt
UnknownSpy has been giving me bad vibes for the past few years so im not entirely surprised theres drama now DX
unrelated but OMG EDDIE PFP!!!!!
Same! Just get spidey senses for this kinda sh
@@rosebud8027 YES THANK YOU OMG
28:04
More on this, UnknownSpy's suggestive content was how I found them. And I was younger than I am now. UnknownSpy did not try to age restrict content or anything, it was all there to see. Preaches children should not be seeing this stuff and that it's dangerous when his content was available.. For kids to see...
@@new_username4733 Unknownspy is a she
"who will protect the adults" who the fuck are you, a baby?
I giggled at this
Holy shit 😆 🤣
I genuinely hate it when adults bully children, literally WHYYY😭😭😭 "they copied me!!!" And then they show a kid inspired by them, like cmon
@@Tanyiishka Last I checked, adults bullying children is child @buse. Can we have Spy locked up?
When the random e-celeb you dislike just for being dumb and annoying and unfunny is finally outed for a legitimate reason to dislike them
idk why but i found the sploot stuff very weird and off putting plus I saw them bully a smaller youtuber into taking down their vid before for no reason
Holy Moly brother wow, what a video. As an avid Unknownspy fan for pretty much my entire digital art career, this is a crazy situation and it's insane how immature LITERAL ADULTS could be when dealing with children using your work and compositions for inspiration and trying to hone their skills. I've always known Spy's egotistic behavior (if you would like to call it that) when it comes to her art and style. I remember her telling somebody on her Discord server to credit her because they used a base as a reference for their art (not tracing but just using it as a guide on the side) and I was just really confused and was like "You don't own an art style???". I find it really petty and concerning that they literally care more about a kid taking heavy inspiration in their art than their overall online safety and wellbeing. I will quote one of my friends with a similar situation they had which is literally: "Honestly don't really give a shit, people like this are everywhere" "and they gotta look up to ur art to have the motive to trace it so I think that's cool" and it's just baffling that Spy can't just have this attitude, it's more positive and overall, you should not care, it's not like they're stealing your audience away, it's just useless to blow it up to such a degree. I notice that Spy overall is a very protective person of her art and takes offense if people take heavy references or even make comparison comments. I understand that these comments are annoying, but at least do the right thing and just ignore them and don't take them to that personal of a level, and in all honesty, I'm surprised she never DMed me talking about me having a character inspired by her art (probably cuz my art now is WAYY different and the design isn't clearly referencing her art) but nonetheless, she needs to have a better way of dealing with these types of situations instead of giving them mass attention. I'm not gonna mention Happy since they're just ridiculous and I'm just focusing more on Spy. Overall this was a very well made video! I sincerely hope that the people involved (including their fans) take these criticisms to heart and actually change their ways, but it's the internet, I may be asking for too much LMAO
@@Loading_mo-fi Actually you can own an art style, but so can others
This entire situation just could’ve been prevented if:
1. The minor was encouraged not to be in NSFW spaces + BLOCKED
2. UnknownSpy and Happy understand that people will be inspired by their work
3. Understand that the animation meme community is made of LITERAL CHILDREN and separate their SFW and NSFW
Not to mention UnknownSpy is kind of a hypocrite in terms of “oh they keep stealing my ideas” in terms of “outfit theft” because she makes outfit month challenges that anybody can use as inspo. This whole thing is a mess
dude, yes. its so easy to say "well they shouldnt be interacting with it in the first place" and thats true, but kids arent gonna understand WHY they arent allowed to. even if they know theyre not supposed to, if a kid wants something, theyre gonna find a way to get it. at that point its up to the account owners to block them so they cant *continue* interacting
@@viscerazombie Yeah that’s true that’s true. At the end of the day it’s up to them to block minors and lock adult content because if they’re gonna say stuff like “who’s gonna protect the adults? :(“ they gotta make it a lot harder for minors to find it
@@dreamyfeffy Well I wouldn't be caught dead participating in her outfit "challenges" after this
happy once said a relationship with a 15 year old and a 20 year old was ok and after I responded to that tweet of her and said that even if it not sexual it's still worng and after I posted a tweet saying that if anyone sees a tweet of me saying I like her art it was before she made that and that I was simply going to unfollow because I don't agree with the idea of 15 and 20 being together is ok, she blocked me for some reason even tho she never responded to me and it's was back when I only had like 300 followers I think
Back then that was encouraged crazy right? Doesn't mean it's right, the 15 and 20 year old can wait 3 or 4 years lmao
@@ztdtlf9717 even waiting on the minor is creepy
@@ztdtlf9717 I think that'd be really weird tho at that point, since it is literally just waiting for a minor to become an adult, to get into a relationship with them.
People before the premiere: I PREDICT THAT SHE'LL SLANDER SOMEONE AS A PDF FILE 😤
Welp. They were right XD, maybe them and AWall really can predict the future lol
I think it was just one person from what I saw
@@seandorama5932 She didn't slander anyone as a pedo, did you even watch the video? Where did she even say label someone as a pedo?
@@tabithapritt6895 Care to explain why her fans have been raiding her discord for the past couple of days screaming PEDO and N-WORD then?
@@akopsing5863 First, I didn't have information about this until now. And second, that's on the fans for raiding the server, you never said Stream was involved in the actual raid.
This entire drama feels like a mix of the Sashley, Madame and Tearzah drama in separate aspects. Like- can older figures with large fucking audiences not start shit with literal minors even if they're being instead of what Spy is doing?
I haven't even heard of Spy until this drama, and im just disappointed in Spy for being this hypocritical.
Not y’all dehumanizing and belittling kids in the comments😭😭😭😭 they’re humans too.
@@superpandaidol_3 That's what we call "adultism", it's unfortunately very common especially in the US and the UK. The common mindset that children are not human just because they are not adults yet makes me feel ashamed well into adulthood for being a child in the past because I was told all my life that I was dumb no matter how hard I studied and tried to prove that I was actually smart, that I'm worthless because I couldn't do anything simply because of laws that were put in place to oppress minors and treat them as property of their parents rather than human beings, and that I would never amount to anything, and the world would be better off without me in it, and this was all because of my age at the time. This is why Youth Rights and Youth Liberation are now a thing.
@@gem_b7798ur so based -a 14 year old
Finally someone said it.
Off topic but cool to see you here! (I love your videos :D)
Bro take away Happy's computer
The midpoint conversation of unknown spy and their suggestive art influencing kids hits... a little too hard :(
I was a fan of them, having found them on youtube in the animation meme community, but things really happened when I got instagram for the first time, and I'm pretty sure it was around that time when they started to post some of their really suggestive stuff, unless they had the entire time and I never realized (i found them originally from just their flame guy and other non-heavily sexualized characters). And mind you at the time, I was a 11-12 who didn't know any better and overrun with hormones, and given literally none of unknown's shit is censored in any which way, inevitably, being exposed to their contend ended up really affecting me and influencing my own art and what kind of art I would make. They became a terrible idol to me and while I drew just some cool looking guys, all the women I drew were absolutely not treated the same, all of which were heavily sexualized with big chests and wide hips. Of course, I also became more "experimental" with the poses I drew and such. And yet, I feel so blessed to be able to say that I never exposed much of this content, or at least not that I remember, and luckily I was not popular either, only having about 200 followers with only 10% of that being people who actually interacted with my content let alone me. But I know no experience is original, so my heart goes out to anyone who might've gone down the less ideal path of my situation themself.
And how long were you someone who didn't know any better. Gonna really look someone in the eye and stand by saying ' I had zero idea what I was looking at was inappropriate.'
Should I start to assume anyone young is stupid asf then?
This is like a crack head trying to blame his dealer like they didn't know it was addictive
@classyserpent8778 They were... an 11 year old. Do not put the blame on them, jc
And yes, kids are pretty dumb sometimes. They will make decisions that aren't well thought because their brain isn't fully developed. They aren't stupid, but being exposed to something from a young age will alter your thinking
@@classyserpent8778 holy shit this was the most horrible response.
Kids are dumb. Kids are impressionable. Kids often do things and emulate adults because the adults present that as BEING OK to do.
If a nsfw artist doesn’t censor their work, tag it, anything to prevent kids finding it, they’re gonna find it.
ESPECIALLY if they’re dumb teenager kids coked up on horny hormones. >:V
A lot of kids think that sort of stuff is OK to find on the internet,
and if they don’t, often they only think it’s bad at worst because “mom and dad say no, so I’m gonna do it because I’m a REBEL.”
Most kids/teens don’t know jack doodly about law or criminal acts, or understand anything about predators.
You might be the special gem of a human who wasn’t stupid or easy to manipulate as a kid, and I’m not denyong that those kinds of “smart common sense kids” DON’T exist, but I can tell you that a lot of kids are NOT like you.
Knowledge and experience comes with time and age, not everyone’s gonna learn stuff like you do, as fast as you do.
Get some perspective, and put down the axe you’re trying to beat that person with.
@@classyserpent8778as someone who was exposed to p*rn on the internet when I was like 7, kids seriously don’t know any better. They think it’s normal but it’s not. It rlly screws you up
"Who's going to protect the adults?" They are going to protect themselves. Kids are ignorant and immature and require protecting because they are CHILDREN and they don't know any better. Even if they've done bad stuff they are still kids and they still need to be protected and I think gently educating kids isn't bad but if they get upset or something about it then attacking them still isn't right :/
@@EpicSwagmaster94 That's a pretty rude generalization. No, all children are not ignorant or immature just because of their age, we wouldn't have adult bigots otherwise such as Happy. Kids are smarter than adults give them credit for, but we live in a society that views children as subhuman just because they are not adults yet, therefore justifying these beliefs which, mind you, the ageist stereotype that all kids are ignorant and immature is used to justify treating them the way Spy does
@@gem_b7798 I apologize for my wording. It was not my intention to make it sound like I was describing children as helpless and idiotic.
"wHo WiLl pRoTeCt ThE aDuLtS" I bursted out laughing that shit is fucking ridiculously
Everybody sucks in this situation, but especially the adults. Like bro you are 27, why are you getting this mad at some stupid kid trolling you by copying your art. Literally just block them, it's that simple 💀 same with a kid being in an NSFW space, don't even talk to them or acknowledge them. Just block them and get a mod to kick them. This whole doc callout thing is ridiculous and needlessly dramatic.
Ok who else thought the post about America, Palestine, autism and ect. Sounded so unhinged, uncalled for and disgusting? 💀
EXACTLY its actually vile of happy
@@Baconsquidwafflsanwich because some people don't care what's going on at the opposite side of the world..? Because it's an idiotic bandwagon, like many things the west likes to flail over? Most people that 'care' are literally unaware of what going on there altogether, on both sides, being indifferent to it or uninterested is about the most sane stance for the average person that's not from the area. If anything, the people who do care about the issue, regardless if who's side they take are the insane ones, both because they have zero care about far worse conflicts in the area, and because they ignore people being abused and dying in their own areas left, right and center (in traffic for example, which is almost fully preventable if they wheren't all government boot lickers that see it as a necessary and unavoidable evil and something that 'just happens'). Protest about better public transport, better roads and junctions, underpasses and airwalks for pedestrians to save MILLIONS of local people's lives and many more from becoming crippled? WHO CARES! 2 people dead on the other side of the world in your conflict if choice (while ignoring thousands dead in another)? OMG, THATS SOOO IMPORTANT!!
@@mkzhero are you schizophrenic
@@MarioMusiczx4Lyfe I hate ableist so much, I hope someone reported Happy for that comment and her account got removed
Ill be honest, Spy doing this isnt surprising to me in the slightest. Now, this all happened over her IG story and i dont have ss for this, so take it with a grain of salt if you want...
A while back, like 2018-19 or so, Spy posted to her story about how people were copying her oc Sploot. Some held water, only some, but even those were "Splootsonas" clearly made by young teens who looked up to her. Others were literally just inspired by her art and looked nothing like her character, and again, were clearly made by young teens. The worst part is that she posted the art these kids made to her story, some with names attached, to her IG audience of thousands saying "dont do this this. this is wrong." Now idk about you, but if my idol posted my art to their story saying "dont do this" id be devastated, especially if i was a young artist.
Spy going after young artists who look up to her is nothing new.
the thing with Sploot too is that theyre a very simple character design who's design is constantly changed between drawings such as different outfits, accessories, skin colors, and whether or not they have a tail. when your character is a generic little green alien with a purposefully inconsistent design i dont think you get to be angry when people are inspired by it. even if these kids were purposefully copying Sploot's design completely, the way Spy drew them could easily give the impression that making Sploot-like designs was encouraged. thats not to entirely say Spy isnt allowed to be upset when their work is copied to a T, but they definitely act super pretentious for someone who's most popular character is Green Alien With Antennae
"who's gonna protect the adults!" oOOooOO the kid boogeyman is gonna bother you OOOOOooooOOO god its insane that these are the same people that came from the animation community which feels like the prime example of where kids be stupid for attention and shouldn't y'know, be given any more attention that could easily be lead to harassment
There is a huge problem with minors going into adult spaces though.
@@HeeHungersForHos clearly you dont know WHY ITS A PROBLEM
@@HeeHungersForHos When I was a kid I tried filtering it out, but none of it had warnings or age restrictions, then everyone wonders why I had an annoying burned fur phase
It's super obvious to tell who in the comments came from happy's poisoned well of a twitter account. 👀
I actually hate happylikeawall so much finally someone gets why they're so insufferable
she always rubbed me the wrong way
This entire video is lies.
@@NebulaBubblesfound out about her independently from this video a few days ago, IMMEDIATELY the vibes were off, genuinely how hard is it for a person to be just... normal
being in her discord server is as insufferable as politics lmao
@@HeeHungersForHos This video shows clear evidence of Spy's @buse, you're just choosing to blindly defend that crazy nutjob
literally this whole situation:
there is only one thing worse than a possible groomer. boom
spy and happy: a child
*NO*
I watched Happy’s video (it’s 6 minutes so easy to get through) and yeah this is just a adult upset with a child being dumb on the internet
Also you can't copyright a style, similarly how you can't copyright a pose, or facial expression, anyone could come up with it without influence or knowledge of the style, there are so many humans on this planet that it is rare to not see occasional similar developed styles with the artists all not knowing of each other.
"who going to protect the adults?" as a 13 years old i am shock that a full grown women said that out loud. this whole drama is super dumb tbh
edit: im going to talk about this drama more cuz last night i couldn't. but i think spy should've just block noi or just confronted noi in a private chat instead of calling him out when all he did is "copy pose/character" but in actual reality is all inspiration which spy should've have some sympathy for and also linking all his social media account is super immature harassing is never the answer. and Happy should instead see noi as also a victim and tell him why is wrong to be in adults space and drawing NSFW but NOPE let make a video blaming it all on the kid! it not like the ADULT could've pressure him to do this! like- seriously? and also i do NOT stand side for anyone in this drama is all stupid and very immature.
As an Agender person, Happy's transmedicalist bs is making me pull my hair out.
49:29 "trans specimen" is dehumanizing af. Happy needs to go touch grass.
@@mummifiedbutterflyHow hard was it for her to just say trans people...like it costs 0 dollars to be respectful
@@mummifiedbutterflythat’s weird as hell
I’m sorry, drama??? THERE IS DRAMA! GOD DAMN IT not againnnnn
Again???
im sorry bestie but drama is always going to happen, every single day....
This ended months ago
49:28 "trans specimen of the male to female Variant"
I love the wording on that
Like ya your "never harrassed anyone claims" are defiantly still holding up bestie/sssss
@@malaksafa4074 wut
@@Cris-pd2rx I meant for happylikeawall op-
@@malaksafa4074 Albright
@@Cris-pd2rx I don't tbh
This smells like childhood. I left the art community proper years ago, but man i love your channel cause it brings me back to the golden age of art youtuber nonsense. Much love bro, keep making bangers 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Unknownspy is incredibly immature like, How are you gonna be part of the animation meme community and be upset by copying?? Nobody owns checkered backgrounds and characters with big feet. And artists gotta draw inspiration from somewhere. If it's not tracing I dont get what the big deal is lol
37:48 "but, who's going to protect the adults?"
I was very *very* wrong to think your video thumbnail was hyperbole 💀💀💀💀 oml
I've seen several artists with spy's "style", the sharp & mostly blocky look. If this child bugged her so much she really should've simply blocked them.
Unknownspy has always had an ego. From how she reacted when people criticized her for her big hipped characters not being plus sized, from copying designs, to even ignoring those who warned her about a problematic user being reposted on her story bc he made her fanart lmao
Wait Unknownspy had copied designs?
@@PixelByteSquad yeah, I found out looking up her user on Google, I believe there is some other stuff there as well. she was acting very immaturely when called out. Her drawtober outfits that she claims she owns can also literally be found on Pinterest, like the og designs.
Who is the problematic user? Tell me please.
HI! I'm a teenager on youtube, 15 and plan to go into animation, influenced by many creators i've grown to love (jaiden animation mostly) and obviously, i've done some crappy things on the internet (racism, homophobia, generally getting into stuff i shouldn't be ect.), not a lot of people are really innocent of this anymore and i feel bad about it. but i would not be going down a creative path if it wasn't for my active engagement in the internet now and before. and as an ex fan of HappyLikeAWall it upset me when that video released and Happy said that children shouldn't have access to the internet. it sucks honestly, no btw i was not in their discord and wasn't being weird. sorry if this seems ranty but i had to get it out of my system. i still think happy is a good person she just needs to figure out that she has more power than she thinks on social media.
Happy is somehow the worst person to be smacked in this situation.
Im sorry, but if this grown ass woman blocks me on Twitter and bans me from her discord for a meme drawing, she shouldn't be handling drama in the first place LMAO.
Wow, that’s really messed up Jesus. What was the meme drawing in the first place?
@@SpaceySodaPop Its a DRAWING OF MY OC SAYING “YOU DROPPED THIS” AND THEY WERE HOLDING A CARD THAT SAID “INTERWEB LIAR CLOWN CARD”
i posted it to joke, swift ban and block 💀
@@snaps_and_caps Goddamn 😭 I guess she thought it was about this situation, eek.
@@SpaceySodaPop tbh the joke was that the oc was a computer virus but then again
i can admit im at fault for like...posting it on one of her "boo hoo yeah this CREATURE IS HORRID" posts because the only way I could really like, actually deal with this kinda stuff is joking 💀 I can at least admit I kinda did contribute
I May not be a big fan of Ai but i think that you should make ai covers and train an Ai based with Happy's art work
The only point I disagree with is Unknownspy having to remove any of their suggestive works, as they still post suggestive animations and art to this day. They label themselves as not for kids so I'm unsure where the idea they were becoming more family friendly came from.
Recently spy made their main mascot sploot a lot more pg than what they used to be. That could’ve been what stream was referring to, but regardless your point still stands
I think it’s more of the fact they are in a community commonly is known to have children. It’s not a surprise that the “meme” community has children. And spy has their works with easy access and suggestive. So it’s not too far fetch to be critical of Spy especially since their works are in a child’s space even if they label themselves as not for kids. One has to be mindful of these things.
@@randoexpresso1105 I disagree with animation memes being purely a child's space, there's plenty of adult animators that are in that sphere that use it for practice. There are a lot of suggestive, gorey, and sometimes down right triggering content that are animation memes. If it says not for kids that's all the creator can really do, you can't control an audience beyond that.
@@akiraohalloran so would you say a fandom, such as MLP, that DOES have gore and adult content is now not made with the soul purpose to be only for kids? Now that this content exist it’s only for adults or for all ages now? t’s just a fact that a large majority of animation memes are made by and for children. No disagreeing will unfortunately change that fact. You can say that there are older content creators out there, I’m not disagreeing with that. But to not acknowledge that a fandom is made of mostly children and make content that is easy to access or say that you disagree of people having criticism of a content creator not being more mindful of this fact is disingenuous.
Going to edit this bc I can feel ppl are going to assume things:
I do agree tagging is important and is the responsible thing for a creator to do. My comment is so acknowledge and accept the fact that if a adult creator is going to make content in a space made up of mostly children they HAVE to be really careful and mindful. And the truth is. A lot of meme creators are not. So, it’s not surprising that people DO have grievances with them. And it’s a fact that at the end of the day a large part of animation memes where made mostly by and for children.
@@randoexpresso1105 But animation memes are broad in comparison to a fandom, and I've only personally ever seen it created by adults like Yeager, Sir Fluff, Beautysnake, Wingedwolf94, Roxxy, and the list could go on. I don't think it's fair to say it's made by children exclusively when there's so many adult animators that have made it their living and have even created their own original memes for other's to copy. I will never see the animation meme community for children only when it's so vast. It's like gatekeeping animation all together for children for how vast it is. It's not something that is intended for kids like MLP because it doesn't have a soul creator/s, it's a layout. The layout being, animate your character to music, that's so broad. I've been watching animation memes since childhood, looking up to the adults, granted they're are somethings I probably shouldn't have watched but there were warnings and I just didn't listen, that's on me not them.
Im 23 and for the past two years people younger than me (15-18) who used to be my followers and fans of my art have copied a lot of things from me. my ideas, designs, character lore, fan designs. no matter how personal they were. and later on it got worse, some people started copying me. as a person. they started imitating and copying my personality, my psychological issues, my disorders, characters I relate to or see myself as (Not kinning, it was/is something serious I have to deal with) and so on. and what Ive heard it still goes on today. all of this has triggered me dozens of times, made me su*cidal and almost attempt even. many times. even after I blocked these people everywhere. some still stalk and shit talk me, simply because of the uncommon way that I suffer. they dont see it as valid. but none of this, not even once, has made me callout these people. I know they are either children, malicious people, or both. I do not want to experience any of this, and dont want it to continue, which is why I block freely and leave it at that. I do vent about it sometimes, but only to my close friends. if I knew I couldnt handle sudden popularity like this and its consequences, I wouldve never joined this specific community. I feel for spy, but their behaviour is extremely immature, dangerous, creepy and self destructive. I should know, I suffer from self destructive behaviours lol.
oh and yeah, not to even mention all the unforgivable and unexcusable nsfw stuff. youtube is 13+ which means children/young teens are allowed to be on here. sure, we random adults are not their caretakers, but having a cute and simple art style is obviously very appealing to children. if your content appeals to children, it very much IS our responsibility to keep those children safe from content that could be harmful to them. youtube is a public place on the internet. it is seriously not hard at all to keep nsfw stuff in a place meant strictly for adults (twitter*, onlyfans, patreon), while keeping the sfw stuff in public places that kids are allowed to be in.
idc what anyone says, posting nsfw and very suggestive stuff in public platforms that children are allowed to be in is the exact same as some freak walking around at a mall with an ahegao hoodie on
*twitter is nowadays very full of children so even there Id suggest to post nsfw stuff on a private account, but then again, it is 17+. that app is not meant for children. personally I care way too much about kids and their safety so I wouldnt be able to post nsfw publicly.
Kinda stopped liking unknown spy when they started only posting softcore p-word all over their accounts. I was looking at that shit as a minor, not knowing that I shouldn't have been looking at it :\ It's not hard to keep adult content like that away from public spaces.
To make this worse: within Artfight last year, a thing about giving to others, they designed OCs for other people, didn't label them and then just took the designs when everyone was confused as to which design was theirs
Their animations have always had suggestive themes they activly put warnings on their content. Its not their fault if kids ignore it they even have their age limit on the account
@@alexisdied4558 it is. Take your point addiction elsewhere
@@MidnightCapricorn2696 yeah, idrc abt the suggestive stuff as much (though i do wish they did put more content warnings on their stuff) but the art fight thing caused me to unsub and leave their content entirely
for a more indepth explanation if people dont know:
art fight is an event that happens every july. you send "attacks" to other artists that are just drawing their ocs. some people have a "make me an oc" 'character' where you can submit an attack where you make them a custom instead of drawing a diff oc that they have. spy decided to do a "mass attack" (an attack that includes multiple, and oftentimes MANY other people's characters) which are worth more points (since its two sides fighting, each attack gains points depending on how large and polished and timestaking it is).
spy's mass attack was drawing customs for fifty-two people. however, none of them were labelled, it was essentially just 52 random characters in a grid, no label, no description, nothing. this attack got THOUSANDS of points all while spy never told the recipients who's was who's.
the most insidious thing though was that AFTER THE SCORES WERE CALCULATED, meaning after they were set in stone, spy DELETED the attack. those points were not removed from the team's total since again, they'd been calculated. so she literally just led on over 50 people for no reason other than fake internet points.
its not the worst thing someone can do evar!!1! but i just couldnt look at her content in the same way ever again
@@scarlettthefoxno it is not its not a content creators job to babysit kids. They put thoes warning on to mention its not for kids. If kids overstep that thats not only stepping a boundary but thats on them
Bro, I really liked Unknown Spy, I mean, when she started doing more suggestive stuff I started to be like "get out of my feed", now with this? Girl's acting like a 9 years old 💀
This sounds like the kind of spat I would have (and prolly did) gotten into with my friends when I was 11
Who will protect the adults is now my number one contender for stupidest thing unironically said this decade
Imagine a bit of your evidence of 'they steal my stuff' is a fucking *name*...Guess no one can have the same name ever
She got mad at my friend for making an alien oc with black eyes
Happy calling children "underage specimens" when talking about adults being attracted to and possibly dating them is disgusting, those are people being taken advantage of not specimens. And they think they should be allowed to have a voice in a situation in which children are in danger
@@silverfang405 Welcome to society, where children are dehumanized and viewed as property of their parents rather than humans while adults are put on a pedestal and worshipped like gods. When push comes to shove, we'll see who the real God is here. (Disregard that if you don't believe)
@@gem_b7798actions have consequences?
Oh my god you have no idea how long I’ve waited for someone to talk about this.
when you make a video that pisses off a possee of gooners and proshippers , you did something right
how did it not occur to unknown spy that this teenager was copying more and more because she kept interacting and reacting to it, if she had actually left it alone the kid would have moved on ages ago
unknownspy has some... interesting behavior patterns. i can't prove the following since i don't have screenshots, but i'll share my own (albeit much less serious) story here anyway:
a while back, unknownspy created a universe/story/etc called 'world of none' (? iirc) and it was basically about organized stick figure fighting. each stick figure had their own unique weapons and stuff. afaik, that was it, and it's also all i remember. she later ENCOURAGED the fanbase to make ocs for the story. this was fine and dandy until, at some point, she must've went through her own oc tag and looked at all the different characters... and...
1. screenshotted all of the ones that had design traits in common
2. put them all in a collage
3. put it on her instagram story basically calling all of her fans unoriginal for... making characters that shared design elements?
and i remember seeing my oc in the absolutely massive crowd that she'd grabbed for seemingly no reason. and it did hurt a little! it's such an odd way to treat fans' fanwork for YOUR universe to me. i dunno. hearing her name mentioned again made me remember it
I was literally JUST talking to my boyfriend about how I felt like UnknownSpy was going to/has been in some type of chronically online drama and well... here we are.
I actually used to watch and enjoy unknownspy’s content, especially as a kid, but after hearing about this drama, I stopped. Because it just put such a bad taste in my mouth- anywho glad someone is making a video on this!!
Edit: Also seeing Happy and her fans lash out at this video is genuinely, even though it sounds a bit corny, embarrassing. I already said this but Jesus Christ, talk about being able to dish it out but not take it.
Honestly, I think everyone in this situation was just immature as hell. But if the minor in question had an NSFW account, then that should've been called out, controversial take? I know, Im sorry. No kid should be posting 18+ artworks to public space where there are LITERAL creeps. The rest of the stuff probably could've been handled in private.. in all honesty, this is just another "Sashley traced Typh" thing. Spy could've been more mature about this.