Volkswagen ID3 | Living with an EV long term Ep 1
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I've been trying out VW's new ID.3 model for a long term test to really get the vibe of using an EV on a daily basis. Usually, I swap out of a car after a week, less sometimes even, so it's been great to experience something so new over a longer period.
My aim of these episodes in particular is to explain an EV to those who really just want a car that gets them around but that happens to be electric. I'll include some tips and hacks for existing ID owners but generally, think of these as getting to know an EV from a basics perspective.
If you would like anything in particular covered or have a suggestion that could be filmed in future episodes with the VW ID.3, please get in touch either in the comments, DM'ing on social or using the email address below - thanks for watching!
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The best conversion experience for any ICE driver is to take one for test drive. I did and within 10 miles my lovely Golf TSI was on its way into Autotrader and I was thinking about how I could get a home charger fitted. The fun of driving one of these cars is genuinely infectious. I've now owned my E Niro for 3 months ( All in lock down of some kind) and driving it over to visit my elderly mother is truly, truly a joy ! I always arrive with a smile on my face.
2,7kW is enough to charge about 30kWh over 12 hous of night. It's like recovering 125 miles (200km) every night !!!
It's amazing how much you can recover just from a common plug.
Absolutely brilliant set of videos. Am getting new car in the next week, very helpful info. Thanks
Episode 2 will be very interesting 🤔
Great to break the stigma associated with EV’s in episode 1. Education is key, almost as important as the national infrastructure required to make them mainstream. 👌🏼
Have this car since launch, and so far so good. I changed from a diesel Arteon and was a little apprehensive at first, but after a few days of ownership I was sold. The driving experience is fantastic. It feels like I'm driving a hot hatch. I've regularly travelled 360km round trips to Dublin without charging. The range is reduced in the cold weather, particularly with the heat on. For short journeys I use the heated seats and steering wheel. They're excellent. There has been a few small software glitches and the screen is laggy, especially on startup, but new software update should remedy these issues. Wall charger at home costs approximately 4 euro from 0 to 100% on nightsaver electricity. This would be approximately 17 euro at public charge points, so it's important to have a home wall charger. It's an easy car to live with. The most difficult part of ownership was syncing the car with my app on the phone. The app is great for pre heating your car in the morning and controlling the charging. The car hasn't been found wanting and I'd highly recommend it. The boot is spacious for my needs but I'm sure the ID4 will suit bigger families and all the paraphernalia that goes with that. I'm saving approximately 120euro a month on fuel and that's covering about 20k Kms per annum.
Great to get feedback like this from an actual owner, thanks so much John 👍🏻👍🏻
Great info, thanks 👍🏻
If only the lovely ID3 came with the even better analogue clock from the Arteon dash now that would be great. I do love that old type nostalgia in a modern car 😁 Great feedback John and delighted to hear it is going well for you. ICE to EV is not as life changing as people think, in fact it’s a pleasurable and relaxing way to commute in my experience 👍🏽
Thinking of ordering soon for a 212 ID3, would you recommend going for a style or family over the life or business? Is the extra options worth the extra money..
@@stevenrafferty7665 Not sure on the specific equipment models, but when I was getting my Id3 first I picked the basic model in white which cost 34k as opposed the the Plus model which was 42k. There was certainly not 8k worth of extras and it appears VW have struggled to sell the Plus model as it's ID4 money.
Just watched in full HD, great video, well done. I have owned mine since Sept, am very happy with it. Only problem apart from the few software glitches has been one of my key fobs needing to be reprogrammed.
As mentioned by some one else, worth getting a better energy supplier! Costs me about €4.50 to fill up 0-100% on night rate. Others have got cheaper rates.
I have had many good cars over the years, this for me now is perfect. I am not slow, but try to drive smoothly. I don't like aircon or having the car too hot. I am managing about 300km during winter and about 400km during the warmer months. But almost no motorway driving. A careful driver should be able to achieve WLTP during the warmer months.
Very impresses by the build quality, you are really isolated from the weather outside. With the rear motor you hear very little noise at all, the regen is so smooth especially in auto mode.
Just a pity VW released the car with unfinished software. Doesn't worry me, but I am sure for some it does..
Great to get feedback like this, thank you. I think the current software alone has been a huge leap in terms of glitches - I haven't had one error in this car.
Lot’s of useful information about EV’s in general. Thanks
My ID.3 arrives in 2-3 weeks, very excited for it. Really enjoy the channel👍
What colour / interior did you go for? They're a funky car!
Went for a turquoise max with the black interior. The white wheel looks deadly but you just don't know how it'll hold up 😖
Hopefully my ID3 will arrive in 2-3 weeks also. Seems to be delays out of the factory at the minute with the chips shortage. Mine is the manganese grey tech model. Great review too
love the grey colour!
don't forget about pre heating and cooling when plugged in
So helpful can't wait until the next episode
That was very informative! Thank you!
Great video, looking forward to seeing the next video, keep up the great work 👍
Thanks Michael
nice, lovely and decent review. I don't need a new car right now, but the ID3 / ID4 are convincing me. Keep up the good work and looking forward to your next review !
Thanks! 👍
Great and usefull EV pedagogy and the ID3 in black looks awesome! Greetings from Lisbon
Thanks for watching!
Great video! Thanks for the info!
Nothing new to me, but THE best explanation for beginners with EV cars. Thank you, and by the way, I love your Irish accent. Can´t wait to come back to lovely Ireland.
Thanks! 😃
Excellent review. Test drove an MG ZS EV at the weekend, totally converted for a normal family/commuting car...saving for the deposit!
As a first-time EV owner, a 1st edition plus owner too (since November). We are really impressed with the info and how you are putting it across. Looking forward to the next. ;-)
Thanks Jerry - good to have you along. What sort of questions to friends / colleagues ask you about it most do you think?
They’re impressed with the quietness and cost to charge.
Although we are in winter and charging more than I’d have expected. Bring on spring and summer.
As we’ve had issues with our software, always being asked, how’s your car today.
Been stopped in car parks and asked lots of questions. The white ID3 is so eye catching when clean lol.
@@Narla20002 anything going wrong with latest version of software? Haven't had any bugs with it at all.
@@NobbyOnCars on 2.
No car sound, (please drive carefully) since The start of Jan, dealer knows. Most errors seem to have stopped for now.
Looking forward to 2.1 and over the air updates. Plus the rumoured update to 125 kWh charging and faster battery heating.
Great review as usual 👍
Thanks for watching
Brilliant thank you as I'm about to purchase a new VW id3.
Great idea for a series man. Will be following this with interest. I'm one of those people that's due a change in the not too distant future, and constantly changing my mind as to what to go for, ie, Hybrid/ PHEV or BEV. But I am taking one thing Bob Flavin said into consideration: "To get the full benefit of a PHEV you need to constantly charge it. And sure if you're constantly charging it, you might as well get a BEV".
He’s right too. I drove a PHEV from Dec 23rd to early Feb and I charged it every day to get the 30-40kms out of the battery. Hopefully the series will help people discover more - myself included!
@@NobbyOnCars He's dead right. But like quite a few people, the initial purchase price is the hard part. The iD4 and Enyaq are really interesting from a size perspective. But to get one with the toys that I would like on it is relatively high price wise. May need to lower my expectations as to what I can afford.
New to channel for last few weeks, enjoying the videos. Due a change for company car so really interested in this series. Plan would be to take partners car if long journeys are needed. Assume I would need to install a point at home myself (no gov incentive). Really interested in your view on living with this day to day. If you had mileage guidelines where you would see pros/cons that would be really helpful, outside of the obvious need to charge more.
Just drove my ID3 Pro Performance from Winchester up to Liverpool, Nervous as this was my first experience in an EV. Started with 94% battery Stopped once on a fast charger to top up from 27% to 100% at Stoke on Trent BP services Seamless and well over 100 miles range left on a very cold day when i arrived home in Belfast Ireland. All motorway driving Love the ID3 smooth fast comfy Good range The Automatic Cruse control is amazing can drive a long distance without touching the pedals at all even when coming to round abouts and junctions etc
When it works out like that, there's no issue with EVs at all!
@@NobbyOnCars None at all and I don't have a home charger As I've no off street parking
Love the content and as an EV owner x 2 I can only agree with all the points made, price is still an issue for people wanting to change and mis-information doesn't help, looking forward to this series.
Thanks Brian
All that said a fantastic video. And informative. Not against EVs far from it. It's just lack of policy and long term view. Stay safe. Thanks again.
A very intelligent review. Thanks.
thank you for watching
Must admit this is a great review. Still couldn't see me buying one just yet but I think such living with it videos provide an interesting insight into what it's like to live with such a vehicle. Of particular interest to me is the motorway driving aspect as I do 70 miles return a day and seeing how that affects it. Good man Nobby!
That distance is nothing to the new EV’s available now.
@@keithcarney1097 aye but I want one that isn't going to need charged any more than say twice a week, will cost less than £20,000, and not take hours to charge and we're not there yet. I think diesel will still be a winner for me for some time to come.
@@stevencampbell1150 If you can charge at home plugging in everyday is a non issue. Then you can take advantage of pre conditioning when its cold. 70 mile total trip can almost be covered by EV's
@@xlphos yes but why would I want to have something that A is going to cost a fortune to buy B take hours to charge and C in terms of overall lifespan will not last as long as a diesel vehicle? I have a friend who only recently changed his car after over 20 years of ownership. That car? A 1.9 TDI Audi which only had to be scrapped as the parts that needed replaced outweighed the price of car but here's the thing, he'd done over 400,000 miles in it before it reached its end, not something you could say about a battery car.
@@stevencampbell1150 A - total cost of ownership, B - secs plugging in at home C - less things to go wrong, however maintain either and will last til they rust.
Worth noting: the Pro S and other modern EVs either come with or have the option to install a "heat pump". This gives you up to an extra 30 miles in range in cold weathers
Nice information, really good video.
I’ve not got an ID3 but a (shock horror) Tesla, picked up Sept last year (no, not a Tesla fanatic), and all of what you’re saying is just as applicable and important.
Would you go back to an ICE?!
@@NobbyOnCars No, Not voluntarily.
This is just what I wanted. I'm considering changing my car for an EV and the ID.3 is at the top of my list, but I live in a flat with no charging available so I wanted to see how it fairs relying solely on public chargers (i.e. how many times a week would I need to top up and how long it would take). I'm also interested in knowing how much range it usually loses overnight, I've heard that it loses about 1% per night which wouldn't be too bad. Anyway, thanks for doing this I can't wait for the next episode!
I have owned an ID3 life pro performance for around a month now leased through ONTO electric car leasing which has been fantastic. My ID3 when charged to 100% in weather below 10degrees would give me a range of around 200-220 miles. However, as mentioned on this video if you do use the climate it tends to drop by 20 miles or so to heat the car. I have noticed though that when you do heat the car and turn the climate back off again once you are at a nice temp then the range goes back up again which is nice so it doesn't lose completely.
I have no driveway so solely rely on the Scottish public charging network and have to say I have not had any issues at all with any charger I have visited. They are really easy to use. The 7kw chargers would give a full charge from about 20% in about 4 hours. The rapid chargers do charge the car more quickly but they do lose speed the closer the battery gets to 100% to protect its life. last week I was on a rapid charge station for 10mins and gained 45 miles or range, that though was just after a drive from motorway so the battery was warm. Doing that on a cold battery would not be as quick, but still quick enough. Overall definitely easy enough to own on the public network and are amazing cars.
not gonna subscribe because i've owned an EV for a few years now. but i like what you're doing.
Hi Nobby informative review as always, wondering could you mention if any of the ev cars you review have a spare tyre or space saver instead of those useless inflation kits, I feel this is important for any one thinking of going electric as it is never mentioned in any reviews seems to be glossed over cheers keep up the good work
Petrol and diesel cars have been removing the spare wheel for many years now. It’s not an EV thing.
With petrol or diesel cars you still have space to buy a spare wheel if yours didn’t come with one but the ev most would use that space for cables so no room for a spare tyre
@@willsmyth639 not really. BMW cars have no space for a spare wheel. It goes in the boot. EV cables can be stored in the boot also but they take up the space of an extension cord.
Also, many EV’s have boots and a front trunk space. In my old i3 all the cables and my hiviz etc were in the front boot. No space taken from the boot.
Also with EV’s like many ICE cars, they have a compartment under the rear boot too.
So this spare wheel issue is a non issue really as the available space is the same between the cars or in many cases actually more space available in the EV.
@@keithcarney1097 some ev don’t have a front trunk so they have an compartment underneath in the boot for cables also the reason why bmw don’t have a spare tyre is cause they use run flat tyres
Most tyres on Id3’s are air smart.
Great video. I do enjoy watching other peoples opinion of EV's especially the ID3. I have owned one for around a month now and love it. I don't have a driveway so solely rely on the Scottish public charging network which is pretty good and getting better as it will have too. I do notice that the climate when being used loses a range of around 20miles to heat the car, although if you turn climate back off again range does come back to the battery as it's not all lost straight away and it takes around a minute to heat an EV, much quicker than a ICE car. Love the ID3. Adaptive Cruise is this car's best feature I'd say. amazing.
Hi, I'm thinking of getting this car. How do you find driving in the snow with rear wheel drive?
It'd pretty good to be fair. I think because they are much heavier it's planted a bit better to the ground. Although like any car in the snow its how you drive it. Eco mode is best as it sends the least amount of power to the wheels making it easier to control. Brilliant car.
If you haven't bought it yet or thinking of buying, do take a look at the MG4 that's seriously good, more mileage and way cheaper with pretty much the same features.
About the air conditioning, I presume that car does not have a heat pump. With that optional the climate does affect the range a lot less :)
Great review as always , really helps with making a change. but i am still not sure what car to get , looking at the nissan ariya, any idea when that will come to ireland?
There’s one coming for a first look but on sale date - not sure yet
@@NobbyOnCars cheers
Are the shoes fully charged ? be handy on a foggy night if the car let you down.
Thanks Nobby. Very informative and easy to understand. I have looked at hundreds of EV videos. I am torn between the ID3, Peugeot e2008 and the Tesla Model 3. The sensible me says the ID3, the stylish me says e2008 and the adventurous me says the M3. I was close to getting the ID3 Tech or Max but I'm not pushed about the look, inside or outside. Decisions decisions. Keep up the nice work!
I've reviewed M3 and ID3 (another vid) if you haven't seen them yet. e2008 due to in March, it has been cancelled a few times to to lockdowns. For space context though, I've a diesel 2008 up here too. Similar size to ID3, VW feels lower down on the ground though, ever so slightly. Model 3 is a fair bit of a jump over both, price reflects that too.
@@NobbyOnCars Do you think the jump is worth the stairs?
If you spec an ID4 to the price that it's not far off the Model 3, it would be a close call cause it will be similar to the car in this video. The HUD in the VW is spectacular, really something else. The Model 3 has just been refreshed again and Tesla nail efficiency compared to most but it's really down a case of do you go with the familiar VW name or take a punt on Tesla. I think a well specced ID4 over a standard M3, I'd probably still have to try both - whenever the cheaper ID4 comes out though, the gap is quite big then.
ID3 and Tesla are cars designed to be electrical, e2008 is ICE (combustion car) where they replace the motor by an electric motor. Two different worlds. An electric car has a dinamics, weight distribution, resistance to impact, aerodynamics different and to be optimized it needs to be designed from scratch.
@@luso57 Ok so that accounts for the less battery range. Just wish Tesla would reduce the price of the m3 like they have in the US and in some EU countries. Maybe they have a surplus of left-hand drives.
Good idea to do a longer term review, thanks. I own an ID.3 1st plus. Absolutely love it. The kids love it. One issue maybe you can feed back to VW is the driver assist, lane assist in particular...I need it off because there are no road markings where the car is driven. The lane keep assist just does not understand, and can push you out from the 'ditch' towards the middle of the road even in front of oncoming traffic ( we're talking very narrow back roads here) . I had a volvo that did the same so it's not an issue with the ID.3 , the issue is Irish back roads. Anyway you just turn it off and all is well...? Well no, because at the moment on the ID.3 it turns on again every time you power on the car. Please VW can you make the settings default to last known setting in the next SW rev.??? Don't let this put you off buying the car, because they will fix it, and it won't be an issue for most people to begin with.
We don’t paint our lines in general enough in this country I find !
I wonder if any of the bugs will appear during this time.
@@xlphos not so far anyway no
Great video. Do grants apply to used cars?
No, they're already in the price of whatever the open market selling price of the used car is.
Great video. How large is the battery in this car ? Does it have a heat pump ?
58 kWh and it has a heat pump
Hello I have really enjoy your You-tube videos for electric vehicle ID.3. We live in France and are looking into buying a electric vehicle for 1st time. We are looking at buying a Volkswagon ID.3. We are retiring in several years and for the 80% % 90% of the time we will be using the ID.3 near where we live. We will be traveling with the ID.3 around Europe from time to time. We have been looking at the VW ID.3 Pro and ID.3 Pro S. Could please let us know which would be better for a 1st time Electric vehicle. Thanks
I love this car
Nice one Nobby looking forward to this. I'd happily buy an EV in the morning but my driving is too unstructured and a bit rural for it. Would exceed the range every week or so. What time does say 50% range take on a typical charger? Also are areas of the country still way behind, say the NW?
Depends what type of charger you're using for 50%. You'll get to 80% in around 35 mins if you're using a fast enough charger. At home, 50% could take 3 hours 45 mins approx if you're a wall charger. Will cover charging times in the next vid!
To 80% from what 20 or 30% ?
@@eoinscanlon9681 20% using a 50kW (a lot more common than Ionity) Circle K etc have them
Very informative. Why do they all look so dull and functional on the inside. Curious to see what's actually under the bonnet. Does it look like an engine?
Had a look under the bonnet in this one th-cam.com/video/9FAAXl4MGac/w-d-xo.html
Great that you’re doing this series, Nobby. Appreciate if you could include a little about getting the home charger, please? I see there, that you’ve got the Zappi. Did you use a local electrician? How was the installation? Disruptive or straightforward ? ( On a practical level , like with Holes drilled and laying of cables ) Very close to pulling the trigger on an ID3. Was going to be a toss up with the e-Soul. Pity that ID3 is not rated either for towing or for a roof rack/roof bars. Looking forward to your series 👍🏻. Thanks.
Darkin EV did mine. I was lucky in that my house was only built in 2019 so it was wired for a charger. Little took off a cover plate and wired in the charger, all very neat. Obviously that won't be the case for everyone but there's some top quality installers out there who do really neat work and take pride in it. e-Soul has that slightly bigger battery, possibly a bit more subjective in the looks department!!
I got mine done by electric autos in Kildare, was also a zappi. Took the electrician about 3hrs total. Mine is different to Nobbys though. I've got a tethered cable so it means it always stays attached to my unit, where his is removed. I also changed the 5m cable to a 10m cable so it can reach all around my garden no matter which way I park. Definitely recommend doing that.
Good advice on the 10m. I got untethered as I've different cars to charge so needed the option obviously.
@@kiernai2 Thanks... good to know you can do that. No hassle with kids or messers, interfering with it ?
@@Mancozeb100 chargepoints are designed for use in public places, they tend to be pretty vandal proof. Slightly more risk with a tethered chargepoint because of the cable. Chargepoints/cables are also designed to fail safely and also in a way that avoids damage to the car. The Type 2 Plug actually has a scoring on the interior of the plug for it to break in two if for example they decided to stand on top of the cable.
You do not need a specialised installer to get an EV chargepoint installed. You can buy the chargepoint yourself and any electrician can do the job. It's exactly the same work as an outdoor socket. Only caveat is they should use 6 sq mm SWA cable for the cable run as it's armored and rated for the amperage a chargepoint will pull. To get the grant the electrician needs to fill out a cert and you need to take a few specified photos of the installation, but again they do not need to be on any SEAI list, any RECI electrician will do.
Haven’t the greens removed the 5k grant and replaced it with a lower vrt of 7% . Incentives aren’t there for people to jump.
One important point is OTA (over the air) software updates. ID3 and Tesla receive updates over the air like a smartphone. It makes all the difference. Witg ICE car, or converted cars like e2008 the best you get is when you leave the car dealer, with Tesla or ID the car grows over time with new and improved features. It makes all the difference.
Not available OTA for ID3 yet though ?
Well done for getting your units right but please sort out energy and power.
I had a a id3 1st for a 24 hr test drive and left it back after a few hours. It looks great and is super fun to drive. The range was very accurate after 70 miles was accurate from the decrease from the start mileage
The reason I left it back was that found the seats uncomfortable, was I losing patience with the heating and steering controls sensitivity. I've had VW cars for 30 years and looked forward to this for my next car but couldn't live with the poor quality of the interior plastics, fit of interior and uncomfortable seats. VW have almost got it right they just need to fix the interior.
Have a look at Enyaq !
IS there a VW EV App and can you show battery as % instead, never had much luck with GOM.
Yes there is 👍🏻
Thinking of ordering soon for a 212 ID3, would you recommend going for a style or family over the life or business? Is the extra options worth the extra money
Well it’s nice to have the extras in a car but budget always gets in the way. Get decent wheels on it if you can, that’s nearly the most important. Some models won’t have 100kW charging either so is fast charging a priority for you etc etc
@@NobbyOnCars charging should be ok as I will have it at work and hopefully home. When you say wheels do you mean rim's I.e. get the alloys? That's the main reason I'd go up in the spec as alloys not available in the standard (as far as I know)...
@@stevenrafferty7665 Yes alloys - the standard ones are not great at all,
But great channel.
The wording around 5mins., “in colder weather in an electric vehicle, it just takes a bit more range” is confusing. Perhaps it would have been better to say, it takes more battery power to travel to same distance. Just a thought for future videos.
Still an informative and helpful presentation. Thank you.
Yes, good idea!
Would have loved to see how much power is consumed when the electric heated seats and steering wheel is turned on.
Will check it out on the next vid.
@@NobbyOnCars after watching your review I've been reading up the id4 product guide doc since th past 2 hours. Excellent. Will likely go for it. Shame that augmented reality navigation is not even available as option on the standard. I love that tech
I love electric cars but they are not greener!
What they are is much much nicer and easier to drive than ice cars,and not having to refil at petrol stations is so nice 👍
The "granny charger" is nearer 2Kw not 3, a 13 amp socket should deliver 3.1KW but in reality they overheat if that is done for more than a few minutes so the chargers are capped at 2KW (ish) or at least that's the case for most 3 pin plugs and is the case for the Tesla Granny charger.
Yup, 10 amps. Many EVs/EVSE also offer lower amperages that that in case you run across a particularly dodgy socket.
Hi, been looking at the id3. 58kwh pro life 107kw would you say it's under powered?
Should I go for the 150kw?
Haven't driven it but there's a decent level of pace in the 204bhp version. I wouldn't stretch to it if it's going to put you under pressure or if how quick your car can accelerate isn't a priority because any EV will have decent levels of torque for overtaking anyway.
Nobby On Cars. Confused now, i thought the 204 bhp. Was the 150kw?
I have an EV. I have a 7kW charger, but I tend to simply plug the car into the “granny charger” when it needs to be charged. If I’m going to charge it overnight, I plug it in at 10pm (or earlier) let it charge at 2kW for 10 hours - that’s 40kWh added. My battery is full. Why would I need to use the 7kW charger?
cables being a trip hazard, overheating issues... I'd still take a properly installed charger over using a domestic wall socket to charge a car.
Is it possible to warm up / defrost the car whilst plugged in in a morning before you disconnect the cable so you use mains power rather than drain the battery ? even better, can you set a timer so its nice and toasty without going out to sort it ?
You can set a timer, the next update of software will allow it to use the charger to power the pre heating but even currently, you do not need the car plugged in to pre heat but as you say, it will use a bit of range doing that. Will cover in the next video!
Just to add if you do have it plugged in, it will use that source to pre heat.
Also, the app on your phone can turn on the climate control in the car, no need for messing around with timers, or going out to the car.
I hear this now has Apple CarPlay navigation turn directions on the driver display? Does it work with waze etc ? Thanks
Will check that out for you in the next episode!
Does the regenerative braking have much of an effect on brake pad wear
No, it slows the electric motor not the physical brakes 👍🏻
@@NobbyOnCars yes it does. It reduces wear on the friction pads, as the regen slows the car, rather than just friction.
@@jdavison8551 Regenerative brakes work by actually putting the electric motor into reverse mode which slows or stops the wheels
@@simonmc78 indeed, - therefore reducing wear on brake pads as per the question. Having gone from fossil to electric it the last 12 months, it’s noticeable to not have to wash brake dust off the alloys any more. Yet another reason to never go back to diesel!
@@jdavison8551 have an eniro since March 2020
Nice demo of how range can be affected by using climate control - probably worth explaining it's not because EVs are less efficient or have worse climate control - it's because ICE vehicles are only about 20% efficient (vs 80+ with EVs) so although you will use more fuel in an ICE car too with AC on, it's just that it's so massively inefficient you don't really notice it!
Just on your demonstration of power usage of the climate control. When you were turning it on and off the system was using quite a bit of energy to raise the cabin temp. So the numbers were way higher than what it will typically use to *maintain* a temperature. That is particularly true of EVs with heat pumps like the ID.3, they are much more efficient when they reach a steady state. In 5C weather the power consumption to keep the car at 21C should be around 500W (0.5 kW). kWh/hour is redundant... that just means exactly the same thing as kW, don't know why VW did that.
In general on any EV with a heat pump over 40kWh pack capacity, climate is going to cost you between 1% and 5% of your range depending on settings/outside conditions.
Also the granny cable usually tops out at 230-240V/10A so 2.3-2.4kW as a safety measure, a 7.4kW home EVSE is more than three times faster. Most EVs charge marginally more efficiently on 3.6-7.4kW chargers vs the 2.3kW granny cable... so you'll also save a few cents per charge.
I pay 7.1c/kWh incl VAT for night rate power, a 10-100% charge incl charging losses of a 58kWh ID.3 would be €3.90 to €4, the 77 has the same pack capacity as my Model 3 LR and would cost about €5.30. The €50/annum surcharge for a night rate meter will pay for itself in 3-4 months for the typical driver, even quicker if you start running appliances on the night rate.
Very helpful post thank you!
@@NobbyOnCars Oh, it's important to point out another common misconception. When those costs of a 0-100% charge are given some people incorrectly assume they'll be incurred every night, not just the amount of electricity the car needs to fill the battery. One thing to point out is the typical cost per 100km on night rate for your average efficiency as that more correctly focuses people on driving costing money not charging. And another one is people sometimes forget the cost of fuel they'll be avoiding buying and focus on the extra few euro on the electricity bill.
For those living in town house developments without your own front drive way, EV not an easy option. Government need to think a bit harder. New housing developments need to include charging points. Device needed that can charge inside house and leave in boot for example to give partial charge but size, weight and cost are factors. Great review, looking forward to more.
New planning regulations will require provisions for EV charging going forward.
Thanks Nobby. Not easy to trust VW after dieselgate. By the way, 3kw is about the same as an electric kettle..
Badly damaged them. Market share in Ireland unaffected though for the most part... !
A quarter of 2021? Beginning of April already?
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How's the software?
Really good - big improvement over the initial launch.
Nobby I was wondering, lot's of EVs have really clever systems that pretty much allow the car to drive themselves. Autopilot, lane keep assistant, automatic lane changing, parking assist and what not. That uses cameras and radars to feed the computer information.
That surely requires a lot of computation power, how much does that computational power affect the range of the EV?
It doesnt.
@@Id3fornow... You sure? Like can you provide data?
I have an ev. The wipers and software are all ran on the 12volt battery. Not the traction battery.
@@Id3fornow... But how is the 12 volt battery charged? From the larger battery right? I guess the software takes it's power consumption into account when calculating the range.
What ev do you own btw?
@@justaguy6216 The FSD chip in my Tesla that runs Autopilot and the all the infotainment uses 36W (and that (+it's twin) is the most power hungry component in the system). The peak power of the motors is two hundred and fifty eight thousand watts on my car (340,000W on the performance Model 3). Even cruising at 120km/h on a flat road the motors will be pulling 20,000W or more. So yeah... It doesn't.
Granny Charger is fine if you don't do much mileage or don't use your car every day.
i think b mode will use more elect than D mode, in b mode my driving go to much slow down and accelerate, D mode is more stabile and then use less elect
Some people don't like the feeling of regen. That's ok!
Enjoyed what I watched but far too many ads to stick it out to the end.
Sorry about that... need to be paid for my time filming, editing,, while you watch for free... 🤣
That is a massive rear spoiler!
If staying at a friends house is it correct to charge your car? It is cheeky! Would you ask for a can of petrol?
Good question.. I suppose if there's no real charging solution nearby, it would be no harm to ask. Unless you're at 2%, it won't cost an awful lot anyway.
Yeah it's more if you're at the in-laws overnight or at a good friend's overnight and you really need it to get to a fast charger but most rarely ever need it as you get to know the range of your car quickly enough.
Well in fairness it's likely only €3 or €4 overnight at the very most. Petrol is ten times the price of electricity.
Likely if you have a friend's house you are staying overnight there is usually some reciprocation. Pay for dinner sometime.
Alternatively are you going to time their showers? Charge them for charging their phones?
Are there grants for plug in EVs?
I am a company owner and I am thinking of changing my commercial range rover
that costs a fortune to run to something like n ID-4 or 530E
There are at the moment - don't see them lasting. 0% BIK only on BEVs.
@@NobbyOnCars Whats a BEV?
full electric vehicle basically
@@NobbyOnCars Thats great thanks.
So its a tesla or ID4 rather than a phev?
@@leebonesteak36 Model 3 or ID4 both big ones for business users as they can both be bought under the 50k radar. Some will prefer the build quality and familiar feeling of a VW, others will love the tech available in the Tesla...
Was this the 45 kwh version?
77
Slow charging makes the battery last longer. Most days you'll only do 50 miles and slow top up in the evening makes sense
Agree with you 100%
I have an id3 for a year now, I still feel it should have more updated. It still does not read signs, like the Tesla it should where to charge,rather than opting for Zap-Map. Pod point is a charging infrastructure for VW.
What software are you using currently?
The software 2.3.0
What are they like to get insurance?
In my case I got a good discount on my previous ICE which had a similar performance and value.
Roughly the same, if not a little cheaper
Driven this now. Suspension is to firm on road bump and never settles even on a flat road. And the brakes take far to late, not ok feeling.
What size wheels were on it? The weight of some EVs does add to a feeling of the brakes needing a bit more pressure applied!
@@NobbyOnCars 18 inch Aluminium.
@@NobbyOnCars wait. It was the fully equped version. But I want the life. So I could be wrong with the wheel size. Now I have to test the life🤣
@@NobbyOnCars About the brakes. Nothing happens when you first press down, so you have to keep going till it starts to brake and the pedal travel is to long.
I always have air con on in my car so if i had a EV the range would be way low
I would like an EV but I don't have a garage or drive so can't charge it at home. That is a big concern. Anyone in the same situation?
It is nice to have a charger at home, not impossible to survive without one but you'd have to think of it like having to go to the shops all the time to charge the car (or use a slow plug through a window!)
I've had chargepoints installed in several dublin apartments I've lived in. Easiest is if you have a designated space in underground parking, because the meters are usually in the car park and you can split power after the meter at the isolator before the run to the apartment consumer unit.
Hardest situations are terraces where you have common/public paths between you and the car or situations where you don't have allocated parking. For the moment people who can't charge an EV at home... probably shouldn't buy one.
Yes, I think VW got it right with ID3 and ID4, maybe in 3 years time, unless the Peugeot 3008 EV is as cheep 😎
The only intimidating thing about EV’s is the price.
It cannot be ok with that much drop because of car climate:).
So if I plugged this in with the granny cable it would take 19 hours 20mins from empty to full charge, why doesn’t this car come with a free 7kw charger included in the price, I don’t believe it will be the future as there is new tech coming out and I’ll wait till 2030-2035 before I would change incase it’s a money pit and left with dead technology (eg like what the mini disc was) ?
Some brands are doing free chargers, it just depends on what marketing drives are on at a given time.
VW were including a charger as one of 3 options for the buyers of the 1st edition models, not sure if this is still the case..
Otherwise, there is still a €600 grant for installing a home charge point.
great idea nobby the more information prospective buyers have the better
Thanks!
Nobby. power is kilowatts energy is kilowatt-hours. The vw screen display of kWh/h is a nonsense unit and means Kilowatts
I've no problem with EV's, I'm just to broke to buy one 🤣🤣🤣🤣
"2.8kWh/h" also known as... 2.8kW?
Those wipers look super annoying, does it bother you much?
They now charge €55,000 for this car. If they want to sell 1 million all over Europe the price of this car should be maximum €25,000
Totally incorrect
@@NobbyOnCars How do you mean?
The equivalent combustion engine car would be the VW fox or maybe even the VW Polo which both cost €20k or less.
I realise you said kWh for power. VW designers use a strange unit for power i.e. kWh/hour which is just Kilowatts. Why didn't they use that on the screen. It is confusing for novices as even a lot of journalists confuse kWh and kW. Even you did but I'll let you off due to the confusing kWh/h on the screen.
fully aware of the difference, just going through screens etc and talking through the displays. Appreciate it is confusing to many though!
@@NobbyOnCars I reckon the ID.3 screen software engineer didn't know the difference which is inexcusable. I hope it will be sorted during an upgrade
Far too long (and there's part 2!). Under 10 minutes is the sweet spot.
I’ll keep going the way I am if that’s ok with you Spielberg
A little confusing talking about range throughout the video rather than state of charge or remaining capacity of the battery
will cover more in next one!
They will be even more successful if they put the head light switch in the proper location!!!! and the gloves / fuse box.... Back to how VW used to be... it's a Stupid French design on a German car?? And what is with them arm rests? It's not a van.. it could or been extra storage but I'm sure they will be successful i Don't think people will care but it's odd for me
Are people scared and intimidated by EV's or are they just too expensive still?
I'd go with the later. A lot of people cant afford a £20K car, let alone a £30K car.
They really are yes... some of the comments below from owners will verify that. I've been asked by people does the range not half with wiper being on. Not everyone can afford a 30k car no but without those who can buying them, there will be no used market for the people you mention either.
Those people don't buy new cars they buy used. And those that do buy new cars spend an average of €37k.
Today's new cars are tomorrow's used. If people don't buy the cars new they are less available and often more expensive on the used market.
Which is one of the reasons 2014/2015 Nissan Leafs have seen next to zero depreciation since 2017, used demand is high... and very few were bought new.
Little is being said about the death of motorcycle due to this daft law that’s little more than a tax to drive I. Cannot help it it a vehicle doesn’t exist to replace what I need and as much as I like the id3 it’s a car of unreasonable compromises in the interior that I find off putting such as no interior seat colour other than gray , the rear window switches, no sunroof or glass roof on the 77kw tour, horrible buggy capacitive touch screen and buttons, what’s wrong with a button even ford got the level right on the pony, and that hazard button turning on way to easy if you brush it is an accident waiting to happen. I hope vw listen and fix this as I am not the only one saying this,
EV ownership. Live in a flat on the High Street of market town. Ex pub car park. No chance of charger! Wire from 2nd floor? You are having a laugh! Hence drive a very economical VW Up. In UK without investment and infrastructure, 2030 no chance!
There's challenges alright, no getting away from it!
Solutions are out there, and with the UK and EU government's Green Policy declarations with 2030-35 targets and the expertise that already exists across Europe, especially Norway and Germany, I think you might be pleasantly surprised.
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@@NobbyOnCars 😆
Long term? They started selling to general public about 5 months ago.... How can you call it a "long term?".
It is a car, it supposed to last decades, it is not an iPhone!
Because reviewers normally get a car for a week, I'm getting to live with an EV and use it daily. Should we not discuss EVs cause it frustrates you?!
@@NobbyOnCars no he thinks by long term review you mean "now that the id3 has been out for so long how has it held up" Because he is a melt. Long term review to everyone else in the world means the reviewer has the car for a longer term to make a more in depth review
Awful shoes Nobby😩
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