If you think that is disgusting, don't read what happened to Tsarina Alexandra, the mother of Anastasia and her sisters and brother. It is unspeakably vile. 😬
King Charles I had some hair and a severed vertebra removed when his coffin was opened in the reign of King George IV. A doctor used the neck bone as a salt cellar until it was returned to Queen Victoria, who had it replaced in his coffin.
Hey, Oliver Cromwell's severed head lost a whole *ear* when it was put on display; this was apparently just the kind of thing people did to disturbed remains of notable persons.
It was really common for medieval people to do this, they viewed it as respectful. You have to remember, they lived in a different time and had different beliefs than us, so something that seems barbaric to you may not have been intended that way. I live in Scotland, and our national heroes, Robert the Bruce and William Wallace had their body parts made into relics after death. That's where the epithet "Braveheart" comes from, actually. It originally literally referred to Robert the Bruce's heart in a wooden box.
@@robokill387 I would say that we still do this, just slightly differently. A cremation means that a number of family members may carry bits of the body with them so on etc.
Of a king? The descendants and family of Kings specifically deserve this. What world are you living in that you revere and idolize royalty instead of realizing that their entire title and duty is built on a solid foundation of generations of genocide, torture, rape, force, theft of property, people and livestock as well as murder, dictatorship and incest? If you're going to desocrate a corpse, a royal one seems fit (and I should know.) I am a direct descendant of royalty (the Hannah clan) and I personally own part of a castle in Scotland which houses my dead relatives in the courtyard. My relatives taxed the shit out of the people and it's a grudge still held by local residents, hundreds of years after the fact. If I mention my Hannah heritage in the right locations, people still scoff and refuse service to me based solely on what happened hundreds of years ago. We took everything from the people and they nearly starved to death...but hey, at least we own a castle, right? 😳😒🙄🤦♀️
Why would you think that considering how they treated each other in life? History is rife with anecdotes and records of royal family betrayals. Even to this day.
@@YouDontKnowAsMuchAsYouThinkUDo 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Exactly! I'm fascinated by royals only to see their degeneracy. But to think royals deserve respect is a joke. I gag at all this mourning for the British queen, it completely ignores her family were made up of pee doughs!
Well done! It's so disrespectful the way her corpse was treated, and for so long! To be able to visit the abbey , touch and kiss the dead queen for macabre curiosity sake...it's hard to wrap my head around. I would've thought that the royal family would have not let a queens remains be so desecrated.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to kiss a corpse, but I'm sure it has happened many times. Pretty gross, though. It seems like something that would give a person nightmares but I guess not!
@@shesaknitter I have kissed my dead friend , he was so cold......but I have never again , but he gave his life for mine....I slept on his grave too......
@@offwiththefairiesforever2373 I don't think I could kiss a dead body. I did not even attend the wake of my grandmother, not wanting to remember that visual of her lifeless in a coffin. That body was not my grandmother. It was the empty husk that had once held her spirit, her essence.
Queen Victoria, so often mocked for 'Victorian morality' associated with her name, did a decency (one of the traditional corporal works of mercy - to bury the dead) that a good dozen of her predecessors back to Henry VIII, for one reason or another failed to do....good for Queen Victoria!
@@andrewg.carvill4596 Oh yes! Not just with funeral practices but some of our medical practices will seem barbaric in a couple of hundred years for sure.
"Queen" Victoria was a man, as was "Queen" Elizabeth who "died" and came out as King James. We've been lied to about our history and free energy civilizations that ran the entire planet in peace.
I always admired this rebel queen who found love outside of her royal status after a disappointing unsuitable marriage. I hope she was happy in her lifetime despite a tumultuous life. She has earned her rest in peace and privacy.
Supposedly Katherine had an affair with Edmund of Somerset after she became a widow. There was even a suggestion that Edmund Somerset not Owen Tudor was the father of Edmund Tudor. Edmund Somerset must have been the Brad Pitt of his day because he was, according to gossip, the lover of Margaret of Anjou. Some courtiers thought Edmund Somerset was actually the father of Edward of Lancaster, Henry VI's heir. Katherine's behavior as a widow allegedly considered scandalous and everyone was glad that she went off to the countryside to conduct a secret romance with Owen Tudor. Catherine had almost no role in the upbringing of her son Henry VI. Owen Tudor was considered very handsome.
In the medieval mind they were venerating her body not disrespecting her. Body parts of saints and martyrs were sacred objects. Yes, medieval people were ignorant but they were not mocking her.
@@hypsyzygy506 There is no reason why it is any more un-Protestant than un-anything else. As Baron Zaebos says, medieval ideas about the treatment of corpses are just different to ours and we shouldn't apply our sheltered 21st century standards.
@@ptlemon1101 traditions are stronger. Ancient Egyptians, thousands of years ago, removed all the organs before burial of a pharaoh. This is a long, old, tradition for the rulers of worlds. Likewise, though not grotesque, a tree has nothing to do with Christ’s birth, and yet for some odd reason, people today think it does. And so ignorant atheists will ban Christmas trees unawares that it is from old pagan winter traditions. And it is okay to keep the old with the new. Just saying.
This really was unacceptable behaviour by many Kings, Queens and some downright disgusting ordinary people. Truly shocking stuff. Thank goodness Queen Victoria put this right and gave Queen Katherine a proper burial plot in an appropriate setting. I find this pretty difficult to stomach, no excuses for those who mistreated her.
I find it so disturbing that postmortem desecration happened to two different Catherines in Tudor history. This is horrifying on another level, people gawking at her, kissing her corpse, and stealing bits as souvenirs? Ghoulish.
400 years of being moved around,looked at by people,taking keepsakes like teeth and rib bones just truly disturbing how sone treat the dead.I find this disgusting and sad but I’m glad she finally got a queens interment but makes you wonder who has those bones and where did they end up?
Her great grandson Henry the vlll was a monster of cruelty. Cathrine was one of the loveliest of England’s queens. Even her face after being so long dead and disregarded shows a lovely face.
What a story! Poor Catherine though; it makes you feel that despite her status in the royal family, she was ignored and been on display against her will (despite the fact she wasn't alive to see what was happening around her).
“Against her will”…she was dead and had no way to stop it, but there was nothing written saying that kisses or looking upon her would be against her will. We cannot say that. We can say that people should not have been allowed to touch her, or at very least not been allowed to take anything off her.
There are one comfort to remember in all this chaos around her death and buriel, and that is the fact, that the minute she died, her soul and spirit left her, so her remains are what is left to decay, but for history and the truth about the bad way she was treated after death, can be nothing but shameful for royal behavior through time. Catherine Of Valois was never a part in these bad actions, she was long gone, never to look back.....
@@JauntyCrepe No she was gone, but we still have to remember as humans, that everything has a price. It is by the way a serius crime to treat a dead human being with disrespect, even humanity through times has done almost nothing but that. We have to give answer for our lives on earth.
@@jannepetersen4660 okay, but you are not the judge of them. In fact, over time what is disrespect of the dead has changed. Leave it all be for the one who is blameless and wise to judge. You can be on your merry way.
For people who claimed they believed in God and were virtuous etc they sure treated her body like there was no God above them. Henry VII who owes everything to this woman sure treated her poorly, he deserved his dynasty to end like it did.
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@Seventy Seconds to Midnight we share the same bloodlines . I've been tracing my family history and its incredible what you can find out about your family. You will find that you share many royal bloodlines as I did
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It's incredibly heartbreaking to think of anyone, let alone a Queen of England, whose body had such a horrible burial history. Rest In Peace, your Majesty.
all pity aside, anyone else worried about the people who kissed a centuries old corpse? The germs, glad she can finally rest, they lucky she didnt haunt them like white on rice
Most germs would die within hours of their host. The only germs would be from the living touching or kissing her corpse and even those would die without another host.
@@amywebb4586 Many of those germs, bacteria, could very well keep on living from feeding on her flesh and then pass on to the next kisser. The fact that her face had mostly desintegrated but the legs, that were hardly ever viewed or touched, remained quite stable is good evidence that that's probably what happened.
@@ARiddle1986 that's it very very common. Everyone on TH-cam says they are related to historical figures. Not everyone is but in any case, it's common.
Interesting how people seem to be appalled at this, yet are quite happy for us to do exactly the same with the mortal remains of Egyptian Pharaohs and Priests. Not to mention Oetzi the ice man, the various people preserved in peatbogs, skeletons dragged from graves in archaeological digs. Why are all people buried not allowed to rest in peace?
I didn’t think I could get any more nauseous and then they said that people stole her bones and teeth as souvenirs. The disrespect, for any human being, is horrifying. But the fact that such a monarchist society allowed this to happen to a former queen just shows how horrific the sexism was.
You know when you hear stories about haunted locations in Japan, just because someone moved a shrine? How much must Catherine haunt that place where hundreds of people abused her body and stole her bones? I wonder if her soul found any peace at all.
Poor Catherine! What a remarkable life but truly terrible post mortem. At least she has her proper coffin now, but quite a long time late. And Samuel Pepys - what a horrible, creepy man!
Samuel Pepys was neither horrible nor creepy! Read his diaries- they are fascinating, and show Sam to be imperfect, but intelligent, thoughtful and witty.
Kenneth Branagh recorded an audio performance of Samuel Pepys’ diaries back in 1996-97. The recordings are well worth a listen; they are masterful and suitably slimy. Although Pepys (pronounced “Peeps”) famously witnessed key points in history like the Black Plague and the Great Fire of London, he also reported an accounting of his wealth every New Year and gloated as his holdings grew. In one for the record books of creepiness, Pepys wrote lurid details (in questionable Spanish, to cover his tracks) about every affair he had behind his wife’s back, including adventures under the nanny’s skirts, at least one instance of getting someone pregnant and his wife’s reaction to each.
My father died recently (at 99 and after a rich, full life) and had left his remains to the University Med school in the city where he lived. I love that in a way he is still teaching people. I also love that I (his only child) did not have to go through the misery of dealing with funerals and funeral homes. The body donation program people told me that they have paperwork from donors going back as far as 1959!
Not me. I hate the idea of your fat melting and your bones charring and they have to poke at the bodies with sticks or something to make sure they crumble. Also how well do they clean those things? Your residue mixed with 10 other people and some pets? No thanks. As long as I get buried period I dont care in what
Omg! Was there no one that would allow this woman her dignity in death! Why would anyone think it's ok to touch someone in death and on display! Shameful! That woman didn't deserve this. Lay her to rest and respect her remains
It was common to display human religious relics in churches, even today, death was everywhere, and paintings were rare even for queen's. For common folk being this close to saints or royalty was a once in a lifetime event, and lucky, a kiss was thought to bestow good health and protection from bad luck. Some pilgrims walked for weeks, few travelled, it was extremely dangerous, as attack and robberies were common place.
Of course Henry VII wanted to distance himself, because he had no legitimate claim to the throne. I think it was less that he wanted to be buried with his mother, but with his grandmother and Henry V. Given the dreadful way the Tudors treated Richard III's body and legacy in an attempt to secure their power base, this story is hardly surprising.
Don't forget to pray for her and also your other ancestors on *All Souls' Day* coming soon. They would highly appreciate your prayers and thoughtfulness.
Just finished the Audible version of Jasper. I think he deserves his own series. How did you discover you were a descendant? I understand he had an illegitimate daughter.
@@Libbyyyyyyyyyy most Europeans could link their family trees to royalty, you’d only be special if you couldn’t. Another fact: if you are predominately of European descent you will almost certainly be descended from the loins of Charlemagne.
That's a disgrace how she was a consort Queen of Henry V and was relegated the decency of a proper burial after she died. The fact that her successors ignored doing so only exacerbated the disgrace. I think part of it could have been the xenophobia most English had of French being that she was the daughter of the French King Charles VI.
@@kittye8340 Exactly. A lot of English Kings did merry French princesses, so why was Katherine Valois done like that? The fact that her first husband's successors did nothing about it says a lot. Her grandson Henry Tudor VII did nothing about it nor did Henry VIII, or Edward VI, Mary I, & Elizabeth I.
@@onagaali2024 I wonder if it is because she remarried to Owen Tudor and was sort of seen as a...well you know. A loose woman? But EVEN then, plenty of Queens remarried. It makes no sense.
@@kittye8340 I still wonder why it took all the way to Victoria's time 441 years up until that time (late in Victoria's reign) in 1878 to be exact for Catherine Valois to receive a proper burial. Look how many Dynasties came and past for her to receive what she should have rightfully gotten in 1437 the year she died. Shame on Lancaster and York,Tudor,Stuart, and Hannover.
Although historians do not support the following theory, I always liked it: Catherine was in love with Edmond Beaufort and was involved in a long affair with him. When the couple asked for royal permission to wed, it was denied them. Soon thereafter, Catherine left court, returning some time later with a new husband and child in tow. Husband: Owen Tudor (a servant in her household)...child: Edmond "Tudor" (interesting name choice, no ? There was never any proof of the marriage between Cath and Owen (at least, historians have found none) I like to think that Catherine and Edmond were expecting a child, so they applied for permission to marry. When this was denied, she disappeared to have her child and married (or not) Owen, a handy option.
Being daughter of Charles VI of France and wife of Henry V of England, she endured a horrific afterlife no one should have suffered. Kissing a queen's corpse and taking away bones and teeth is utmost creepy. Dead must be respected, that too a woman must be treated only with dignity.
I hope she is at peace now.It was no way for any one to have been treated after their demise let alone a Queen of England ..Thank you for her well told story 🥰
Not that much is really known about her marriage to Henry the Vth. Guess he was too busy fighting . It would be very interesting. Poor woman, she deserved better. If ever a ghost deserves to haunt their family, she does. 👵👵👵🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Here in Mallorca, for a few hundred years, they would regularly open up the tomb of king James the II for everyone to admire. They stopped doing it when they realised people were taking bits of the king as relics: a finger here, a nose there...
@@anaz5918 That I can't answer that. I'd be afraid the person would come back and haunt me.I know our ancestors years ago were nuts, but that's really nuts. Now I am hungarian and German, and haven't heard of any such stories about the rulers in those country's when it came to royal corpses. Many Catholic Churches in Europe have expositions of saints bodies. There used to be a brisk trade in saints relics centuries ago. These were money makers for local towns and churches. People went on pilgramages and spent money. People still travel to the Holy Land, and the famous shrine of St.James the Apostle in Santiago de Compenstela in Spain. Have been going there for centuries. I had some relatives who in the Middle Ages actually fought in the Crusades according to German records.
I'll be honest, once I die couldn't care less what you do or don't do to my body. It's an old vessel. BUT, in saying that, I find it repulsive that people even thought any of this was ok or did it. Its downright disturbing.
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The diarist who kissed the queen’s corpse is called Samuel Pepys (pronounced “Peeps”). And the Latin inscription on the Queen final tomb ends with “Requiescat in Pace” which is pronounced “Re-quee-ess-cat in pah-chay” in Ecclesiastical Latin.
To gaze upon and touch, even embrace, a corpse is a remembrance and reflection on their life and the lessons we could learn from them. It's also an effective way to meditate on death, a necessary habit nearly lost in modern society. But treating her body like a tourist novelty, taking pieces apart, is just rude and sad. No corpse whether queen or criminal shod be treated so thoughtlessly. Memento mori. Death is coming for us all. Rest in peace Ma'am.
Queen Victoria is No. 1, she and Prince Albert were responsible for promoting the Industrial Age during the Victorian era, and putting to rest Catherine of Valois, an honorable burial for a Queen of England.
Thought you'd want to know. the Latin "Requiescat in pace" is pronounced "rekwiˈES kat in PAH chey." Not surprised her remains were treated so shabbily. She was a woman in a very patriarchal, misogynistic society. Breeding heirs were all women were good for.
No different from today, Diana was also used as a broodmare heir and spare, Catherine the same heir and spares so things have not changed over the centuries.
I have been interested in learning more about Catherine since finding her and Owen Tudor in my ancestry. They had a beautiful love story, from what I can tell, but it is hard to find information that is reliable. This is sad about how her body was treated.
Relics (whether small or in the form of entire bodies) are venerated (not worshipped) by Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians as an act of honoring God's saints, the same God who can choose to work miracles through them. This is based in part on an Old Testament account of a man who was murdered by thieves, his body then tossed into a cave, where it fell on the bones of the Prophet Elijah and was miraculously restored to life. One example concerns St. Thomas Becket. After the archbishop was murdered in Canterbury Cathedral in 1170 AD, monks and some locals dipped pieces of cloth into his blood which was still on the floor, so as to have a "holy relic". This wasn't "macabre" by their standards and norms, it was an act of reverence. The Reformation claimed to purge such "superstitions", yet many Protestants continued - in their own way - to venerate relics to some degree, even if not in an overtly "Catholic" way. Those who took Catharine's bones as "souvenirs" are like the gentleman who took a "relic" from the remains of George Whitefield. Whitefield (pronounced "Whit-field") was an Anglican clergyman who preached in England and the U.S. during the "Great Revival". In the 19th century, a visitor from England opened his crypt in the Old South Church in Newburyport, Massachusetts and took an arm bone, which was returned some years later. The desire to have a piece of bone or a "part" of a holy, noted, or famous person - or of a loved one, and to feel connected to them in that way, is as old as the hills. (Most Victorians were content to have a lock of hair!)
If you think this is bad, there's a guy named John Edward Jones who died after being stuck upside down in a cave for 28 hours back in 2009. His body is still there to this day.
Only now did I lean this for the first time and I so live the Tudor period. What a tragic story of a amazing woman , but well done Queen Victoria 💪💪🙏🏻🙏🏻
To be displayed as a "mummy" could instead be quite the honor. Pieces taken were seen as relics, for good fortune, not bad. Yet disgraceful for believers of resurrection. To be on lit de parad like this could be very honorable, there are many gemmed and clothed remains to venere, and the catacombs of Palermo for example, a place many wanted their final rest to be. Its not macabre. More a sign of times. And of faith. Thats why its written of kissing her, a Queen, as a meaningful priviledge. Agreed, they slipped in respect over time. The body is but the earthly shell for the soul.
What an utterly fascinating and very heartwrenching story. And the narration is so very compelling, solemn and dignified without being overwrought! I suppose we all want to be somewhat cared for even after death, as we do in life. I may be an individual who believes in neither a god nor post-mortem existence, but this poor lady's story touched me very much.
The comments are almost more fascinating than the story! The past is not entirely the present nor the future. As to Pepys, pronounced peeps, a famous road Pepys Road in new cross, London, was always known as pep-ys road by the local people and it made me wonder which pronunciation was the correct one. Did the local people actually use the correct pronunciation from from the time of Pepys?
I read an article that Queen C was sent to Bermondsey Abbey to separate her from her second husband as the King's supporters/courtiers were not ever going to allow her to have a husband as they feared that if a queen has children of a subsequent husband, over the time the supporters/friends of the 2nd husband's children might feel the children of the subsequent marriage have a claim to the throne. She was healthy until she entered the convent, apparently she became ill due to her deep sadness for her husband and children. The young king was weak and sent his mother exquisite rosaries of precious stones etc but could not order his subjects to allow his mother to be left in peace with her 2nd husband and the children which she bore him. Apparently after his mother's death he kept his siblings at court with him
She MARRIED Owen Tudor??? She was denied permission to marry her late husband's brother, and a later order for anyone in her position (widowed mother of the King) to seek permission to remarry from the Council proves that she did not remarry, and no record of a remarriage has ever been found. It is more likely that she just cohabited with Tudor. Her son, King Henry VI, may or may not have been weak at the time, but he later manifested his French grandfather's known insanity. The fact that she was buried as the wife of a King surely proves that she never married Tudor.
@@julietcunningham852 How does that she was buried as a wife of a king conflict with or rule out her possibly having married Owen later? Henry's death preceded hers. So she was a Dowager Queen no matter what she did later.
I pick up on words all the time, wish I didn't, it drives me mad. Oh, and as far as I know, the very last word, in Latin 'pace' is pronounced parchay...yes?
Yes. You would think someone creating a history channel for TH-cam viewing would have a better understanding of how to pronounce surnames and place names. If in doubt, research! Why make a fool of yourself to thousands of viewers when you can avoid it?
The image that you use, shows all the sadness on her face. I imagine she felt despair. In all those years, up in a public display with her body rotting away.
I'm puzzled why an English person didn't know how to pronounce it. Maybe they don't teach anything about our history, (blah blah blah rant rant rant. I sound like my parents, but I am nearly 60, so I'm allowed to) . But seriously I am puzzled, as this young lady is very well educated.
@@gameon2553 I am even more puzzled by her pronunciation of 'clerk' which, in the UK, is always pronounced 'clark'. Surely they taught that at school? I fear this word has become obsolete in my lifetime as pen-pushers are no longer referred to by that name: in fact, who uses a pen in this age of computers? Nevertheless, I found this video very illuminating.
@@keithbulley2587 I noticed that too, but I assumed she changed it for the benefit of a larger American audience. And I recently bought some fountain pens and real bottles of ink although I sometimes can't read my own writing.
I’m related to the butlers and tutors on my fathers side , what’s really weird is 500 years later the butlers and Hamilton’s ( tutors) married again my grandparents ,
Tudors ruling almost 150 (!) years. That is not very long, in my opinion just two generations ( the queen is almost 100 and the queen mother got 100+ years of age ) but you mention it like they ruled forn a thousand years. Great video anyway.
Not quite. If we start with the first Tudor monarch, Henry VII, the Tudor dynasty started in 1485 and lasted until March of 1603 with Elizabeth I's death. So it was closer to 120 years...118 to be exact.
What? Organs removed, placed in different places, embalmed, wrapped in Linen, placed in a lead coffin and then in wooden one? That reminds me of Ancient Egypt.
what a great video! I had no idea that Queen Katherine of Valois was a tourist attraction in death. how sad! Is this channel related to Untold Past? You guys do the same Capitalization of buzz words in your titles.
An unique piece of history, indeed. One can't help but feel deeply sad about how any people of conscience could carry out such vandalism? Anyway, the written narration needs some good proof reading; many a time `coughing' is coming instead of `coffin'. Thanks!
8:35 By far the most disturbing part of this story. This author (samuel pepys) sounds like a total creep! Hard to believe that this was considered acceptable behaviour!
I always get this big-tall-sexy-loyal-care-taker vibe when I think of Owain Tudor, and it just occurred to my the Henry VIII may have inherited his ggrandfather's body type and athleticism. I wonder that they didn't look alike, two red-haired giants.
I think I need to look up this Owen fella. I always thought Henry looked like his mother, but wondered where the body type came from. Genetics are interesting.
@@drivethrupoet Almost by definition a vibe does not have to be based in fact, however, I do imagine such based on him being a capable man of her household whom she deemed worthy. I imagine him to be a tall, tough, romantic, manly figure, one who provided a measure of comfort and feeling of security... even if he were a beard for an Edmond Beaufort/Catherine Valois romance, a theory which I don't really subscribe to, I believe it was natural love and magnetism. It was all very unseemly for a queen at the time, no? lol
Excellent vid! A rather bizarre story; the powers that be all seemed to want to give her a proper burial but they just kept putting it off, over and over as the centuries passed.
The treatment of this queen's body after death by her descendants shows exactly how little they were Christian. No true Christian, especially one with the obscene amounts of money these monarchs had, would have treated their ancestor in such a disrespectful way! Ungrateful monsters!
Do you consider the Roman Catholic Church as untrue Christians? They've spent many a century treating my and many other peoples people like human pin cushions.
Believe it or not societal norms change after hundreds of years. This was seen as a form of veneration. If you think this is bad the west thinks it’s fine to mutilate infant boys because of an archaic tribal god. They also send billions to a country in the Middle East that bombs it’s indigenous inhabitants with white phosphorous.
The issue with the closed captions has now been rectified.
there are still some issues with it, fe Tudors are called tutors and things like that. Enough for me to just turn them off XD
@@cayenigma you
The captions are still nonsense at times
Now fix the problem of there being commercials. They ruin the video.
Apparently not so. Many times for example, the caption says, "Catherine is coughing" instead of "Catherine's coffin".
The idea of kissing a dessicated corpse in order to be able to say you kissed a queen is grotesque.
Only if you put your tongue in.
If you think that is disgusting, don't read what happened to Tsarina Alexandra, the mother of Anastasia and her sisters and brother. It is unspeakably vile. 😬
Agreed! That's some morbid shit.
@@onagaali2024 More like nasty. Who the heck does that? 😬
@@kittye8340 I hope this isn't going where I think it is...
I do not believe in preserving a body after death but to play with someone's corpse as was done is truly sickening.
You should check out what happened to Eva Peron's, for truly sickening. Ugh.
@@DawnSuttonfabfour I know about that one. Thanks. Yes agree!
@@DawnSuttonfabfour As in, First Lady of Argentina?
I agree, Annette.
@@the4tierbridge Yes. That’s another ridiculous abuse of a corpse.
The idea that Catherine of Valois had some of her bones and teeth stolen to be souvenirs disgusts me.
King Charles I had some hair and a severed vertebra removed when his coffin was opened in the reign of King George IV. A doctor used the neck bone as a salt cellar until it was returned to Queen Victoria, who had it replaced in his coffin.
Hey, Oliver Cromwell's severed head lost a whole *ear* when it was put on display; this was apparently just the kind of thing people did to disturbed remains of notable persons.
@@mscott3918 Poor King Charles....🙁☹😢At least Queen Victoria did right by him!🕊💖🌟
It is common that people did this. And today people are no different really. They will take as souvenirs anything their greedy hands can grab.
@@lorenheard2561 Naw, Charles pretty much deserved it
It's awful to think that a daughter, wife, mother and grandmother of kings would be treated this way after death.
It was really common for medieval people to do this, they viewed it as respectful. You have to remember, they lived in a different time and had different beliefs than us, so something that seems barbaric to you may not have been intended that way. I live in Scotland, and our national heroes, Robert the Bruce and William Wallace had their body parts made into relics after death. That's where the epithet "Braveheart" comes from, actually. It originally literally referred to Robert the Bruce's heart in a wooden box.
@@robokill387 I would say that we still do this, just slightly differently. A cremation means that a number of family members may carry bits of the body with them so on etc.
Of a king? The descendants and family of Kings specifically deserve this. What world are you living in that you revere and idolize royalty instead of realizing that their entire title and duty is built on a solid foundation of generations of genocide, torture, rape, force, theft of property, people and livestock as well as murder, dictatorship and incest?
If you're going to desocrate a corpse, a royal one seems fit (and I should know.) I am a direct descendant of royalty (the Hannah clan) and I personally own part of a castle in Scotland which houses my dead relatives in the courtyard. My relatives taxed the shit out of the people and it's a grudge still held by local residents, hundreds of years after the fact. If I mention my Hannah heritage in the right locations, people still scoff and refuse service to me based solely on what happened hundreds of years ago. We took everything from the people and they nearly starved to death...but hey, at least we own a castle, right? 😳😒🙄🤦♀️
Why would you think that considering how they treated each other in life? History is rife with anecdotes and records of royal family betrayals. Even to this day.
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Exactly! I'm fascinated by royals only to see their degeneracy. But to think royals deserve respect is a joke. I gag at all this mourning for the British queen, it completely ignores her family were made up of pee doughs!
Well done! It's so disrespectful the way her corpse was treated, and for so long! To be able to visit the abbey , touch and kiss the dead queen for macabre curiosity sake...it's hard to wrap my head around. I would've thought that the royal family would have not let a queens remains be so desecrated.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to kiss a corpse, but I'm sure it has happened many times. Pretty gross, though. It seems like something that would give a person nightmares but I guess not!
Kissing it.....
@@shesaknitter I have kissed my dead friend , he was so cold......but I have never again , but he gave his life for mine....I slept on his grave too......
@@shesaknitter but he was only just dead not decomposed !
@@offwiththefairiesforever2373 I don't think I could kiss a dead body. I did not even attend the wake of my grandmother, not wanting to remember that visual of her lifeless in a coffin. That body was not my grandmother. It was the empty husk that had once held her spirit, her essence.
Queen Victoria, so often mocked for 'Victorian morality' associated with her name, did a decency (one of the traditional corporal works of mercy - to bury the dead) that a good dozen of her predecessors back to Henry VIII, for one reason or another failed to do....good for Queen Victoria!
@@donijaya Question is, is our own age now introducing its own set of 'freak practices' that the pre-victorians would't have even contemplated?
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@@andrewg.carvill4596 Oh yes! Not just with funeral practices but some of our medical practices will seem barbaric in a couple of hundred years for sure.
@@andrewg.carvill4596 yes, like wearing revealing clothes
"Queen" Victoria was a man, as was "Queen" Elizabeth who "died" and came out as King James. We've been lied to about our history and free energy civilizations that ran the entire planet in peace.
I always admired this rebel queen who found love outside of her royal status after a disappointing unsuitable marriage. I hope she was happy in her lifetime despite a tumultuous life. She has earned her rest in peace and privacy.
They also made a law that said she would forfeit her royal wealth if she remarried so she did it knowing she would loose everything
Supposedly Katherine had an affair with Edmund of Somerset after she became a widow. There was even a suggestion that Edmund Somerset not Owen Tudor was the father of Edmund Tudor. Edmund Somerset must have been the Brad Pitt of his day because he was, according to gossip, the lover of Margaret of Anjou. Some courtiers thought Edmund Somerset was actually the father of Edward of Lancaster, Henry VI's heir. Katherine's behavior as a widow allegedly considered scandalous and everyone was glad that she went off to the countryside to conduct a secret romance with Owen Tudor. Catherine had almost no role in the upbringing of her son Henry VI. Owen Tudor was considered very handsome.
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In the medieval mind they were venerating her body not disrespecting her. Body parts of saints and martyrs were sacred objects. Yes, medieval people were ignorant but they were not mocking her.
It is, however, a very un-Protestant thing to do, surely?
@@hypsyzygy506 There is no reason why it is any more un-Protestant than un-anything else. As Baron Zaebos says, medieval ideas about the treatment of corpses are just different to ours and we shouldn't apply our sheltered 21st century standards.
The thing is that it was no longer the Middle Ages and they were Prots
@@ptlemon1101 traditions are stronger.
Ancient Egyptians, thousands of years ago, removed all the organs before burial of a pharaoh.
This is a long, old, tradition for the rulers of worlds.
Likewise, though not grotesque, a tree has nothing to do with Christ’s birth, and yet for some odd reason, people today think it does. And so ignorant atheists will ban Christmas trees unawares that it is from old pagan winter traditions.
And it is okay to keep the old with the new. Just saying.
@@ptlemon1101 you do know the 15th century was part of the middle ages and that the middle ages ended 1500?
This really was unacceptable behaviour by many Kings, Queens and some downright disgusting ordinary people. Truly shocking stuff. Thank goodness Queen Victoria put this right and gave Queen Katherine a proper burial plot in an appropriate setting. I find this pretty difficult to stomach, no excuses for those who mistreated her.
I find it so disturbing that postmortem desecration happened to two different Catherines in Tudor history. This is horrifying on another level, people gawking at her, kissing her corpse, and stealing bits as souvenirs? Ghoulish.
Who was the other Catherine?
400 years of being moved around,looked at by people,taking keepsakes like teeth and rib bones just truly disturbing how sone treat the dead.I find this disgusting and sad but I’m glad she finally got a queens interment but makes you wonder who has those bones and where did they end up?
I'm sure there in people's attics if they haven't been lost
@@allypally1768 for 400 years?
@@davidthedeaf there are some old ass houses in england man idk
@@davidthedeaf also the bones and teeth were taken over time, some in the 1800s so the grave robbing was less than 400 years ago
Her great grandson Henry the vlll was a monster of cruelty.
Cathrine was one of the loveliest of England’s queens. Even her face after being so long dead and disregarded shows a lovely face.
Lol her face was was totally missing - what are you talking about???
Did you know her?
@@Marcel_Audubon the wooden one. Didn’t pay attention?
@@davidthedeaf reading comprehension problems, dullard? she's not talking about the wooden one
A brain concussion caused it.
What a story! Poor Catherine though; it makes you feel that despite her status in the royal family, she was ignored and been on display against her will (despite the fact she wasn't alive to see what was happening around her).
We we see ew
They should have took care of her body. I can't think of any of my loved ones bodies being treated so disgusting
@@muffassa6739 I agree
This is a big example of idolatry.
“Against her will”…she was dead and had no way to stop it, but there was nothing written saying that kisses or looking upon her would be against her will. We cannot say that. We can say that people should not have been allowed to touch her, or at very least not been allowed to take anything off her.
There are one comfort to remember in all this chaos around her death and buriel, and that is the fact, that the minute she died, her soul and spirit left her, so her remains are what is left to decay, but for history and the truth about the bad way she was treated after death, can be nothing but shameful for royal behavior through time. Catherine Of Valois was never a part in these bad actions, she was long gone, never to look back.....
That's exactly what i was thinking.
That is a comfort, actually. Still horrible that people would treat someone's remains like that, but at least she didn't experience that indignity.
@@JauntyCrepe No she was gone, but we still have to remember as humans, that everything has a price.
It is by the way a serius crime to treat a dead human being with disrespect, even humanity through times has done almost nothing but that. We have to give answer for our lives on earth.
@@jannepetersen4660 okay, but you are not the judge of them. In fact, over time what is disrespect of the dead has changed. Leave it all be for the one who is blameless and wise to judge. You can be on your merry way.
For people who claimed they believed in God and were virtuous etc they sure treated her body like there was no God above them. Henry VII who owes everything to this woman sure treated her poorly, he deserved his dynasty to end like it did.
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Info: Once you die, your body is just a shell. You are no longer there. Not that I believe in desecrating the dead, but she didn't and doesn't care.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
@@voraciousreader3341 yuuuuup.
Poor woman. You never imagine your mortal remains to be treated with such disrespect, shame one her family. May she now rest in peace.
It's incredibly heartbreaking to think of anyone, let alone a Queen of England, whose body had such a horrible burial history. Rest In Peace, your Majesty.
all pity aside, anyone else worried about the people who kissed a centuries old corpse? The germs, glad she can finally rest, they lucky she didnt haunt them like white on rice
Only worried about the ones who put their tongues in.
Most germs would die within hours of their host. The only germs would be from the living touching or kissing her corpse and even those would die without another host.
I mean lets be real nobody forced them to do it 😐
I’d say they deserved what they got.
@@amywebb4586 Many of those germs, bacteria, could very well keep on living from feeding on her flesh and then pass on to the next kisser. The fact that her face had mostly desintegrated but the legs, that were hardly ever viewed or touched, remained quite stable is good evidence that that's probably what happened.
I'm distantly related to this poor lady and that just makes her story sadder to me. No one deserves to be manhandled for four hundred years!
Please tell more about this, her life fascinates me!
@@parfecto7716 Her wikipedia entry is quite thorough. I also recommend The Sister Queens by Mary McGregor. It's a fun read.
Thousands of people are. Nothing special.
@@tsarina24honolulu87 Your point?
@@ARiddle1986 that's it very very common.
Everyone on TH-cam says they are related to historical figures. Not everyone is but in any case, it's common.
Interesting how people seem to be appalled at this, yet are quite happy for us to do exactly the same with the mortal remains of Egyptian Pharaohs and Priests. Not to mention Oetzi the ice man, the various people preserved in peatbogs, skeletons dragged from graves in archaeological digs. Why are all people buried not allowed to rest in peace?
You do that not us
I didn’t think I could get any more nauseous and then they said that people stole her bones and teeth as souvenirs. The disrespect, for any human being, is horrifying. But the fact that such a monarchist society allowed this to happen to a former queen just shows how horrific the sexism was.
Many kings, queens honoured people and saints had this done to them . Reliquary was not uncommon . But in Catherine's case sexism was involved .
You know when you hear stories about haunted locations in Japan, just because someone moved a shrine? How much must Catherine haunt that place where hundreds of people abused her body and stole her bones? I wonder if her soul found any peace at all.
Shocking treatment of this poor lady. I am appalled
Poor Catherine! What a remarkable life but truly terrible post mortem. At least she has her proper coffin now, but quite a long time late. And Samuel Pepys - what a horrible, creepy man!
His diary is a remarkable read and gives wonderful information about the times he live in!
Have you read his diaries? They are an amazing insight into his life and times, and very amusing in places 😊
Samuel Pepys was neither horrible nor creepy! Read his diaries- they are fascinating, and show Sam to be imperfect, but intelligent, thoughtful and witty.
Kenneth Branagh recorded an audio performance of Samuel Pepys’ diaries back in 1996-97. The recordings are well worth a listen; they are masterful and suitably slimy.
Although Pepys (pronounced “Peeps”) famously witnessed key points in history like the Black Plague and the Great Fire of London, he also reported an accounting of his wealth every New Year and gloated as his holdings grew.
In one for the record books of creepiness, Pepys wrote lurid details (in questionable Spanish, to cover his tracks) about every affair he had behind his wife’s back, including adventures under the nanny’s skirts, at least one instance of getting someone pregnant and his wife’s reaction to each.
Stuff like this definitely makes me want to be cremated. Poor Catherine.
My father died recently (at 99 and after a rich, full life) and had left his remains to the University Med school in the city where he lived. I love that in a way he is still teaching people. I also love that I (his only child) did not have to go through the misery of dealing with funerals and funeral homes. The body donation program people told me that they have paperwork from donors going back as far as 1959!
Not me. I hate the idea of your fat melting and your bones charring and they have to poke at the bodies with sticks or something to make sure they crumble. Also how well do they clean those things? Your residue mixed with 10 other people and some pets? No thanks.
As long as I get buried period I dont care in what
@@lagatita1623 fair enough. I still am
more creeped out at the thought of being buried in a box.
@@dannetterousseau4095 I mean, I cant argue with that
@@americangirl6654 hey its ok to do what you feel best with! I didnt mean to sound off putting.
Omg! Was there no one that would allow this woman her dignity in death! Why would anyone think it's ok to touch someone in death and on display! Shameful! That woman didn't deserve this. Lay her to rest and respect her remains
Some cultures around the world exhume remains every year.
It was common to display human religious relics in churches, even today, death was everywhere, and paintings were rare even for queen's. For common folk being this close to saints or royalty was a once in a lifetime event, and lucky, a kiss was thought to bestow good health and protection from bad luck. Some pilgrims walked for weeks, few travelled, it was extremely dangerous, as attack and robberies were common place.
Of course Henry VII wanted to distance himself, because he had no legitimate claim to the throne. I think it was less that he wanted to be buried with his mother, but with his grandmother and Henry V. Given the dreadful way the Tudors treated Richard III's body and legacy in an attempt to secure their power base, this story is hardly surprising.
I am descended through her son Jasper, and I never knew any of this. It hits a little differently, knowing she is one of my ancestors.
Don't forget to pray for her and also your other ancestors on *All Souls' Day* coming soon. They would highly appreciate your prayers and thoughtfulness.
Just finished the Audible version of Jasper. I think he deserves his own series. How did you discover you were a descendant? I understand he had an illegitimate daughter.
@@lanadellhatestheclock3325 that would be so interesting if we all could trace our ancestors back that far!
I am not aware that Jasper Tudor had any issue.
@@Libbyyyyyyyyyy most Europeans could link their family trees to royalty, you’d only be special if you couldn’t. Another fact: if you are predominately of European descent you will almost certainly be descended from the loins of Charlemagne.
A wonderful and well explained story. Poor catherine. Its trully disgraceful what happened to her. Im glad she gets to lay in peace now. 👑✝️
Horrific, disgusting and absolutely sickening !! I really have no words to describe such a barbaric act !!
That's a disgrace how she was a consort Queen of Henry V and was relegated the decency of a proper burial after she died. The fact that her successors ignored doing so only exacerbated the disgrace. I think part of it could have been the xenophobia most English had of French being that she was the daughter of the French King Charles VI.
Doubtful. Many Queens were french and still recieved proper burials in England.
@@kittye8340 Exactly. A lot of English Kings did merry French princesses, so why was Katherine Valois done like that? The fact that her first husband's successors did nothing about it says a lot. Her grandson Henry Tudor VII did nothing about it nor did Henry VIII, or Edward VI, Mary I, & Elizabeth I.
@@onagaali2024 That is a very good question
@@onagaali2024 I wonder if it is because she remarried to Owen Tudor and was sort of seen as a...well you know. A loose woman? But EVEN then, plenty of Queens remarried. It makes no sense.
@@kittye8340 I still wonder why it took all the way to Victoria's time 441 years up until that time (late in Victoria's reign) in 1878 to be exact for Catherine Valois to receive a proper burial. Look how many Dynasties came and past for her to receive what she should have rightfully gotten in 1437 the year she died. Shame on Lancaster and York,Tudor,Stuart, and Hannover.
Thank you. I always felt a fondness for her. I think she had a short hard life, but had a good heart.
the fact that her corpse was defiled for this long without much intervention for so long blows my mind
That's seriously horrible... Nobody should be treated that way. Especially, not a queen.
Although historians do not support the following theory, I always liked it:
Catherine was in love with Edmond Beaufort and was involved in a long affair with him. When the couple asked for royal permission to wed, it was denied them. Soon thereafter, Catherine left court, returning some time later with a new husband and child in tow. Husband: Owen Tudor (a servant in her household)...child: Edmond "Tudor" (interesting name choice, no ?
There was never any proof of the marriage between Cath and Owen (at least, historians have found none) I like to think that Catherine and Edmond were expecting a child, so they applied for permission to marry. When this was denied, she disappeared to have her child and married (or not) Owen, a handy option.
Well now, that’s a thought!
That Owen was her servant and not noble, and that her child was named Edmond - very suggestive
I’ve thought about that theory as well. It makes a lot of sense.
Being daughter of Charles VI of France and wife of Henry V of England, she endured a horrific afterlife no one should have suffered. Kissing a queen's corpse and taking away bones and teeth is utmost creepy. Dead must be respected, that too a woman must be treated only with dignity.
I hope she is at peace now.It was no way for any one to have been treated after their demise let alone a Queen of England ..Thank you for her well told story 🥰
Not that much is really known about her marriage to Henry the Vth. Guess he was too busy fighting . It would be very interesting. Poor woman, she deserved better. If ever a ghost deserves to haunt their family, she does. 👵👵👵🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Sadly She wasn't the only queen disrupted after death
Katherine Parr was another sadly
The fact that No said : “Bring me a shovel. We’ve got to bury her for goodness sake.” Is amazing to me. I can’t understand that.
You can write a play with this line lol
Here in Mallorca, for a few hundred years, they would regularly open up the tomb of king James the II for everyone to admire. They stopped doing it when they realised people were taking bits of the king as relics: a finger here, a nose there...
Eww 😷 what wrong with people.
@@anaz5918 People did the same thing with Oliver Cromwell's head. Someone took one of his ears a a souvenir
@@anaz5918 That I can't answer that. I'd be afraid the person would come back and haunt me.I know our ancestors years ago were nuts, but that's really nuts. Now I am hungarian and German, and haven't heard of any such stories about the rulers in those country's when it came to royal corpses. Many Catholic Churches in Europe have expositions of saints bodies. There used to be a brisk trade in saints relics centuries ago. These were money makers for local towns and churches. People went on pilgramages and spent money. People still travel to the Holy Land, and the famous shrine of St.James the Apostle in Santiago de Compenstela in Spain. Have been going there for centuries. I had some relatives who in the Middle Ages actually fought in the Crusades according to German records.
Ugh
I'll be honest, once I die couldn't care less what you do or don't do to my body. It's an old vessel. BUT, in saying that, I find it repulsive that people even thought any of this was ok or did it. Its downright disturbing.
It was fairly normal for the time, and wasn't seen as disrespectful. Different cultures have different ideas of morality.
It's kinda weird how both Cathrines associated w the Valois family got their bones messed with. Catherine De Medici and this Tudor babe. 😍
One of the most romantic novels about her is "Crown in Candlelight" by Rosemary Hawley Jarman.
I had a copy of that book, but I read it until it fell apart. I would love to have a new copy.
@@bevanderson6245 I would love to read that book. I hope I can find it someday.
@@annemarieclaudia If you’re interested in getting hold of Rosemary’s 4 main historical novels ( one of which is “Crown in Candlelight “), you can buy them in a complete lot for £30.00 on E bay. I just checked on there today. I do agree about that novel - I too loved it, and read it more than once. Fortunately I still have an old paperback copy which resides safely in my bookcase!
@@Books_Anime_92 see my reply to Claire below, E bay are selling it in a lot of 4 of Rosemary’s books for £30!
@@pamburt Thank you I will certainely look for it
The diarist who kissed the queen’s corpse is called Samuel Pepys (pronounced “Peeps”). And the Latin inscription on the Queen final tomb ends with “Requiescat in Pace” which is pronounced “Re-quee-ess-cat in pah-chay” in Ecclesiastical Latin.
And "Pa-Kay" in original latin.
A purple satin mantle!! Wow that says alot, considering purple was the most expensive color clothing at that time.
To gaze upon and touch, even embrace, a corpse is a remembrance and reflection on their life and the lessons we could learn from them. It's also an effective way to meditate on death, a necessary habit nearly lost in modern society.
But treating her body like a tourist novelty, taking pieces apart, is just rude and sad. No corpse whether queen or criminal shod be treated so thoughtlessly.
Memento mori. Death is coming for us all.
Rest in peace Ma'am.
Queen Victoria is No. 1, she and Prince Albert were responsible for promoting the Industrial Age during the Victorian era, and putting to rest Catherine of Valois, an honorable burial for a Queen of England.
God bless you! So beautiful prezentation! Thank you! 🇷🇴
Rest in peace Catherine! 🌹
The lives give me more sorrow than what happened to the remains.
Thought you'd want to know. the Latin "Requiescat in pace" is pronounced "rekwiˈES kat in PAH chey." Not surprised her remains were treated so shabbily. She was a woman in a very patriarchal, misogynistic society. Breeding heirs were all women were good for.
Yes and that was only one of the pronunciation clangers.
And Samuel Pepys- pronounced Peeps, not Pepis.
For the upper-class women. Lower class women were supposed to work.
Thank you.
No different from today, Diana was also used as a broodmare heir and spare, Catherine the same heir and spares so things have not changed over the centuries.
I have been interested in learning more about Catherine since finding her and Owen Tudor in my ancestry. They had a beautiful love story, from what I can tell, but it is hard to find information that is reliable. This is sad about how her body was treated.
She is one of my direct ancestors! So cool, I didn't know all of this about her!
Horrible treatment of a deceased person ....absolutely disgusting ...RIP dear Queen Katherine
She is portrayed in the 2019 movie, “The King”.
What a terrible way to treat the dead. It’s a nightmare.
Relics (whether small or in the form of entire bodies) are venerated (not worshipped) by Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians as an act of honoring God's saints, the same God who can choose to work miracles through them. This is based in part on an Old Testament account of a man who was murdered by thieves, his body then tossed into a cave, where it fell on the bones of the Prophet Elijah and was miraculously restored to life. One example concerns St. Thomas Becket. After the archbishop was murdered in Canterbury Cathedral in 1170 AD, monks and some locals dipped pieces of cloth into his blood which was still on the floor, so as to have a "holy relic". This wasn't "macabre" by their standards and norms, it was an act of reverence.
The Reformation claimed to purge such "superstitions", yet many Protestants continued - in their own way - to venerate relics to some degree, even if not in an overtly "Catholic" way. Those who took Catharine's bones as "souvenirs" are like the gentleman who took a "relic" from the remains of George Whitefield. Whitefield (pronounced "Whit-field") was an Anglican clergyman who preached in England and the U.S. during the "Great Revival". In the 19th century, a visitor from England opened his crypt in the Old South Church in Newburyport, Massachusetts and took an arm bone, which was returned some years later. The desire to have a piece of bone or a "part" of a holy, noted, or famous person - or of a loved one, and to feel connected to them in that way, is as old as the hills. (Most Victorians were content to have a lock of hair!)
If you think this is bad, there's a guy named John Edward Jones who died after being stuck upside down in a cave for 28 hours back in 2009. His body is still there to this day.
Im familar with the case but I would consider this worse.
Think alot of people know
Only now did I lean this for the first time and I so live the Tudor period. What a tragic story of a amazing woman , but well done Queen Victoria 💪💪🙏🏻🙏🏻
To be displayed as a "mummy" could instead be quite the honor. Pieces taken were seen as relics, for good fortune, not bad. Yet disgraceful for believers of resurrection. To be on lit de parad like this could be very honorable, there are many gemmed and clothed remains to venere, and the catacombs of Palermo for example, a place many wanted their final rest to be. Its not macabre. More a sign of times. And of faith. Thats why its written of kissing her, a Queen, as a meaningful priviledge.
Agreed, they slipped in respect over time. The body is but the earthly shell for the soul.
I am so glad her body came to an honourable rest. Thank you.
Jeez life in the Middle ages was brutal. Death and despair was everywhere.
I recently did my family tree. This fine lady is my ancestor.
It's not really surprising. For example, at least 50000 alive now can trace their line back to King Edward III.
@@mscott3918 Well it surprised me!
that effigy is BEAUTIFUL but oh my god it is the definition of uncanny valley
What an utterly fascinating and very heartwrenching story. And the narration is so very compelling, solemn and dignified without being overwrought! I suppose we all want to be somewhat cared for even after death, as we do in life. I may be an individual who believes in neither a god nor post-mortem existence, but this poor lady's story touched me very much.
Poor thing. People can’t be so cruel & disrespectful.
The comments are almost more fascinating than the story! The past is not entirely the present nor the future. As to Pepys, pronounced peeps, a famous road Pepys Road in new cross, London, was always known as pep-ys road by the local people and it made me wonder which pronunciation was the correct one. Did the local people actually use the correct pronunciation from from the time of Pepys?
She is a an. ancestor of our present Queen. Looks like a beautiful lady in real life.
I am a huge perponent of respecting the dead so this is just abhorrent to me, to treat a person's body this way is just shameful.
I read an article that Queen C was sent to Bermondsey Abbey to separate her from her second husband as the King's supporters/courtiers were not ever going to allow her to have a husband as they feared that if a queen has children of a subsequent husband, over the time the supporters/friends of the 2nd husband's children might feel the children of the subsequent marriage have a claim to the throne. She was healthy until she entered the convent, apparently she became ill due to her deep sadness for her husband and children. The young king was weak and sent his mother exquisite rosaries of precious stones etc but could not order his subjects to allow his mother to be left in peace with her 2nd husband and the children which she bore him. Apparently after his mother's death he kept his siblings at court with him
She MARRIED Owen Tudor??? She was denied permission to marry her late husband's brother, and a later order for anyone in her position (widowed mother of the King) to seek permission to remarry from the Council proves that she did not remarry, and no record of a remarriage has ever been found. It is more likely that she just cohabited with Tudor. Her son, King Henry VI, may or may not have been weak at the time, but he later manifested his French grandfather's known insanity. The fact that she was buried as the wife of a King surely proves that she never married Tudor.
@@julietcunningham852 How does that she was buried as a wife of a king conflict with or rule out her possibly having married Owen later? Henry's death preceded hers. So she was a Dowager Queen no matter what she did later.
Pepys is pronounced 'peeps'. Samuel Pepys is the famous diary writer who recorded the occurrence of the Great fire of London in 1666.
Glad to see you picked that up too. I thought I was the only one who was going to be thought of as some kind of boring old pedant!!
It's OK, it stuck out like a sore thumb to me too.
I pick up on words all the time, wish I didn't, it drives me mad. Oh, and as far as I know, the very last word, in Latin 'pace' is pronounced parchay...yes?
Yes. You would think someone creating a history channel for TH-cam viewing would have a better understanding of how to pronounce surnames and place names. If in doubt, research! Why make a fool of yourself to thousands of viewers when you can avoid it?
@@kalayne6713 no it's pa-chay. There's no 'r'
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That's so sad. May she rest in peace.
That is so disrespectful to her corpse. Yikes!!
Unbelievable. The disrespectful behavior of people shouldn't be a surprise but it is.
So much for rest in peace. Retribution should be her restless soul haunting later family members demanding a proper queen burial.
God rest her soul...
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The image that you use, shows all the sadness on her face. I imagine she felt despair. In all those years, up in a public display with her body rotting away.
Isn't Samuel Pepys name pronounced "Peeps"?
And his friends were known as his “crew”, his “posse”.
Yes, that’s the pronunciation I have heard from several well-known historians.
Yes.
Correct. Definitely pronounced as Peeps.
That's the pronounciation I was taught. (USA here.)
This was quite interesting and informative. One figure in Tudor History that I had no idea about .
Samuel Pepys’ last name is actually pronounced “peeps”…. Other than that, amazing video.
I'm puzzled why an English person didn't know how to pronounce it.
Maybe they don't teach anything about our history, (blah blah blah rant rant rant.
I sound like my parents, but I am nearly 60, so I'm allowed to) .
But seriously I am puzzled, as this young lady is very well educated.
@@gameon2553 I am even more puzzled by her pronunciation of 'clerk' which, in the UK, is always pronounced 'clark'. Surely they taught that at school?
I fear this word has become obsolete in my lifetime as pen-pushers are no longer referred to by that name: in fact, who uses a pen in this age of computers?
Nevertheless, I found this video very illuminating.
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I noticed that too, but I assumed she changed it for the benefit of a larger American audience.
And I recently bought some fountain pens and real bottles of ink although I sometimes can't read my own writing.
Quite a few odd pronunciations.
@@keithbulley2587 Yes very strange...
I’m related to the butlers and tutors on my fathers side , what’s really weird is 500 years later the butlers and Hamilton’s ( tutors) married again my grandparents ,
Tudors ruling almost 150 (!) years. That is not very long, in my opinion just two generations ( the queen is almost 100 and the queen mother got 100+ years of age ) but you mention it like they ruled forn a thousand years. Great video anyway.
Not quite. If we start with the first Tudor monarch, Henry VII, the Tudor dynasty started in 1485 and lasted until March of 1603 with Elizabeth I's death. So it was closer to 120 years...118 to be exact.
What? Organs removed, placed in different places, embalmed, wrapped in Linen, placed in a lead coffin and then in wooden one? That reminds me of Ancient Egypt.
Samuel Pepys should be pronounced Peeps. That’s what I was taught at school.
Thanks for the information
Thanks, I was waiting for this comment ! I thought everyone knew it was pronounced peeps 🤔
Agreed, but after being reminded of his activity here, maybe 'Creeps' is more fitting!
Heartbreaking. May she finally Rest In Paradise
The Tudor dynasty ruled from 1485 to 1603. Total 118 years
Fantastic stuff here! Never heard any of this, it's appreciated!
what a great video! I had no idea that Queen Katherine of Valois was a tourist attraction in death. how sad! Is this channel related to Untold Past? You guys do the same Capitalization of buzz words in your titles.
Just found your channel and I’m so glad I did! Luv this!
Just a little note; Samuel Pepys is pronounced 'Peeps'. Thoroughly enjoyed this, but what an awful way to treat someone's remains.
An unique piece of history, indeed. One can't help but feel deeply sad about how any people of conscience could carry out such vandalism? Anyway, the written narration needs some good proof reading; many a time `coughing' is coming instead of `coffin'. Thanks!
8:35 By far the most disturbing part of this story. This author (samuel pepys) sounds like a total creep! Hard to believe that this was considered acceptable behaviour!
I felt very close to tears during this. For a Queen to be picked quite literally apart and molested and desecrated like that is just evil.
I always get this big-tall-sexy-loyal-care-taker vibe when I think of Owain Tudor, and it just occurred to my the Henry VIII may have inherited his ggrandfather's body type and athleticism. I wonder that they didn't look alike, two red-haired giants.
I think I need to look up this Owen fella. I always thought Henry looked like his mother, but wondered where the body type came from. Genetics are interesting.
Henry VIII was said to have looked like his tall maternal grandfather. He did resemble his mother too
Eew
A vibe based on what?
@@drivethrupoet Almost by definition a vibe does not have to be based in fact, however, I do imagine such based on him being a capable man of her household whom she deemed worthy. I imagine him to be a tall, tough, romantic, manly figure, one who provided a measure of comfort and feeling of security... even if he were a beard for an Edmond Beaufort/Catherine Valois romance, a theory which I don't really subscribe to, I believe it was natural love and magnetism. It was all very unseemly for a queen at the time, no? lol
Man you make me happy, just watching you and i really needed it. When is the coming out video?
Wow intriguing to say the least!!!
Excellent vid! A rather bizarre story; the powers that be all seemed to want to give her a proper burial but they just kept putting it off, over and over as the centuries passed.
The treatment of this queen's body after death by her descendants shows exactly how little they were Christian. No true Christian, especially one with the obscene amounts of money these monarchs had, would have treated their ancestor in such a disrespectful way! Ungrateful monsters!
Do you consider the Roman Catholic Church as untrue Christians? They've spent many a century treating my and many other peoples people like human pin cushions.
Yes.. Roman Catholics are not true Christians. Have you. Even read the words of Christ..? If so, then you would not even NEED to ask that question..
Believe it or not societal norms change after hundreds of years. This was seen as a form of veneration. If you think this is bad the west thinks it’s fine to mutilate infant boys because of an archaic tribal god. They also send billions to a country in the Middle East that bombs it’s indigenous inhabitants with white phosphorous.
Wealth doesn't always equate integrity.Membership to a church doesn't always mean a christian.🤔
@@sissyrayself7508 oh please. All the Abrahamic religions are fake.