LADY MARGARET BEAUFORT | My Lady the King’s Mother | The real red queen | mother of Henry VII
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- In 1485 the life of LADY MARGARET BEAUFORT, mother of Henry VII, took a dramatic turn as her son won the Battle of Bosworth and by extension, the Wars of the Roses and she became the most powerful woman in England. It was the culmination of a decades long struggle and Margaret was so overwhelmed she was seen to be crying at Henry’s coronation. Now known as My Lady the King’s Mother, she was made one of the wealthiest people in the kingdom and assumed an important role as the matriarch of the Tudor dynasty. In this week’s Plantagenet documentary from History Calling we’ll look at the later life of this famous medieval woman who had risked her very life to help her only child take the throne and was now able to reap the benefits of their joint success. I’ll talk you through her relationships with her son and her husband, Thomas Lord Stanley (including her famous vow of chastity), the unusual legal position Henry granted her, her dealings with her one-time ally, the former Queen, Elizabeth Woodville and with her new daughter-in-law, Princess Elizabeth of York, who married Henry VII in January 1486. We’ll look at Margaret’s role in government, her charitable efforts, her piety and at how involved she was in the major events of her son’s reign, from the births of his children, to the threat to the throne from pretenders to the crown such as Perkin Warbeck and Lambert Simnel. We’ll also consider the arrangements to have her oldest grandson, Prince Arthur, marry the Spanish Princess, Catherine of Aragon, Arthur’s death in 1502 and the death of Elizabeth of York the following year. This video will take you right up to Margaret’s own death, which came just 10 weeks after that of her son in 1509, but not before she guided her 17-year-old grandson, Henry VIII, in the early days of his reign and saw him crowned and married to Catherine. We’ll also look at the grave of Lady Margaret Beaufort in Westminster Abbey, with its incredible effigy.
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I would guess that their common concern for Henry and the establishment of the Tudor dynasty helped Elizabeth get past the perhaps not uncommon instances in which she might have wished Margaret elsewhere. There was probably occasional eye-rolling and teeth-gnashing on Elizabeth's part. I really do believe Henry loved them both.
I think she was probably a challenging mother in law, but in the way that very strong people can often take up a lot of space in any social setting. She was probably also used to being number 1 in Henry's life and it may not have occurred to her to back off. I don't think there was any malice or dislike on her part towards her daughter in law.
I’ll start off by admitting “I’m biased.” My experience with MILs, from my own to my friend’s, have not been a good experience. Margaret being involved in every decision had to be hell on Elizabeth of York. Through marriages and allegiances, she manipulated her son’s path to the English throne. She wanted to take credit for Henry’s rule. She was obviously jealous of Elizabeth, since Elizabeth had more royal blood than did she. Maybe that’s why Margaret eventually moved into her own home? Tensions within the palace become extremely unbearable.
@@denisek292 Been there, done that... MIL's can be vicious!
Given her personality? Lol. Yes, I suspect she could be overbearing and nosy af from a DIL's pov.
Margaret was an incredibly brave and strong woman. She gave birth so young which tore her apart. She was forced to grow up really quickly. I don’t know why writers feel the need to alter and change her story to something else. The real story is thrilling enough
I couldn't agree more. 😀
I hope Margaret Beaufort is burning in hell with Charlemagne, King John I, King Henry III, King Edward I, King Henry VII, King Henry VIII, Marie de Medici, King Louis XIV, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn, Queen Victoria, King Edward VII, King George V, King Edward VIII, King George VI, and Prince Philip. 👗👠👑💍
I often wonder what she felt about Edmund Tudor, the father of Henry VII.
I hope Margaret Beaufort is burning in hell with Charlemagne, King John I, King Henry III, King Edward I, King Henry VII, King Henry VIII, Marie de Medici, King Louis XIV, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn, Queen Victoria, King Edward VII, King George V, King Edward VIII, King George VI, and Prince Philip. 👗👠👑💍🇬🇧
It's also interesting to watch Margaret move through different historical periods that we see as distinct. She was a pawn under King Henry VI. She lived to see him deposed, restored, deposed again and then dispatched. She watched the rise of her family's rivals, then saw them fall upon each other. She saw her exiled son snatch the crown and helped him hold it for the rest of his life. Then she ruled briefly during her grandson's minority.
I hope Margaret Beaufort is burning in hell with Charlemagne, King John I, King Henry III, King Edward I, King Henry VII, King Henry VIII, Marie de Medici, King Louis XIV, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn, Queen Victoria, King Edward VII, King George V, King Edward VIII, King George VI, and Prince Philip. 👗👠👑💍
I don’t blame her AT ALL for “overstepping” with using R and walking so closely to Elizabeth of York. She did absolutely everything for her son, and then for her grandchildren, she deserves to be remember as more than just someone constantly plotting for the throne
I agree, especially as I don't think she actually was plotting for it until quite late in the day (Autumn 1483). Considering what she had to put up with in her life, I don't think she would have thought that walking too close to Elizabeth was much for the Queen to deal with.
She never knew her father, her uncle and two cousins had been killed as well as her Welles' relatives. Lady Margaret, her son and her daughter-in-law narrowly escaped a fire at Christmastide 1497 at Richmond Palace.
The medieval era was changing into the medieval era she was the pivot. A Renaissance lady, THE Renaissance Lady? Through her chaplain Christopher Urswick she saved her son in Brittany and met Polydore Vergil whose history (her history) is the one that posterity has abd Shakespeare wrote about.
Her badge, the Beaufort Portcullis is the badge of the Westminster government, she is buried steps away, with her son.
Remember, we always remember, Beaufort motto.
Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford named in her honour. Corpus Christi College, Oxford part-founded by Hugh Oldham, one of her chaplains.
For her promotion of the Feast of the Name of Jesus she was awarded the title Paragon of the Church by Pope Alexander VI. 🥀
@@English_Dawn ouch...I think a title bestowed by the Borgias Pope was a dubious honor, at best 😄🙏
The more I learn about her the more I think she’s sizzling in hell.🔥
Anyone who has had the misfortune of an overbearing, controlling mother in law would strongly disagree with you!
I can imagine poor Elizabeth of York having to grit her teeth and remind herself to breathe an awful lot. She was higher born than Margaret but she couldn't really do much about it. As for Margaret - very interesting figure, and very determined. I'm not sure I'd have liked her in real life, but there's a lot to be admired for her courage and focus.
Yes, I do wonder what the women's relationship was really like. It can be so hard to tell at such a distance. I don't know what I'd think of Margaret either, but she'd have some great stories to tell (if she was prepared to share them that is).
I hope Margaret Beaufort is burning in Hell with her son, King Henry VII, grandson King Henry VIII, King John, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn, Queen Victoria, King George V, King George VI, Prince Philip, etc. I hope Prince William will burn in Hell with Margaret Beaufort. 👗👠👑💍🇬🇧
Lady Margaret Beaufort, “the King’s Mother”, was a fascinating woman who clearly had ambitions that were considered unusual for a woman of that age. Not bad for a single teenage mother to accomplish such tremendous feats. Well played mam, well played!
Yes, someone in the comments last week called her one of the most important teen mums ever and I think they were right.
She may not have been a teenager yet.
It's remarkable how Margaret and Henry's relationship was revitalized after such a long period. She must have been very caring to Henry, and likely also charismatic
Henry realised there was no one on earth who was as loyal to him and had fought as hard for him as his mother. He ultimately owed his position to her in every way. Without her fighting for him politically he would have had no troops, no support, and ultimately no life to begin with
It also needs said, though, that Margaret had had her only child Henry sent away to exile on the Continent to keep him from being murdered when he was fourteen. IOW, he was, for all practical purposes, a rich orphan teenaged boy who could have easily become a wastrel and scoffed at the idea of EVER returning to England- much less training to become a mighty warrior who'd eventually overthrow the crowned king Richard III to become king himself at age 28 [despite having a very weak claim to the throne solely via Margaret herself being a double-great-granddaughter of Edward III]! Moreover, he could have easily died young of countless diseases or have been murdered by hired royal mercenaries crossing the Channel!
Yes, Margaret had to have had incredible faith that her son not only would survive but also would grow up to be a strong warrior and leader- all without her being able to guide him in person (and while she endured a few reversals of fortune as well as risks to her own freedom and life on the other side of the Channel).
The odds of either of them triumphing would have seemed impossible had this been a fictional account but this was one but of history that proved more inspirational than any fairy tale!
It's messed up, but them being so close in age might have made it easier for them to bond, too.
I’m fascinated by how…tangible (?) the relationship between this mother and son still feels, even the tense relationship between the wife and mother-in-law when there’s such a close mother-son relationship is so familiar and timeless. My favourite history lessons are the ones which make a point to humanise historical figures and remind us they’re not as far removed as they can sometimes seem, and this channel always does an excellent job of that.
Familiar and timeless? It's a nightmare! And a major contributing factor the failure of marriages. Seems you've had the good fortune to escape such a situation so far.😂
As others have commented, I'd categorize Margaret as challenging, not awful. She was an amazing survivor, and it's difficult to fault her for working endlessly to protect her position. I think it's a testament to Margaret that Henry VII maintained a close and loving relationship with her, despite their many years of separation. Quite fascinating how the women of this era (Margaret, Elizabeth Woodville, Cecily Neville) had to do so much complex maneuvering to counteract the philandering and machinations of the males in that messy family tree.
Yes, the women always seem to have been trying to undo the damage the men did!
What an absolutely incredible life. It wasn’t just a father’s disappointment he wouldn’t have an heir. It’s far worse for the daughter herself to exist as a female. The constant danger of being female, used as a pawn to further men’s ambitions, sexual assault, and grooming could never have been far from any girl’s mind.
For a woman at this age to rise above and arguably have more power and respect than the queen is legendary. She made her family what it is, with just one son, grit, and determination. There is no story like hers with so many highs and lows, twists, and turns. She made herself her own woman. The moment she gave birth to Henry, she was determined to give him a better life than she had up to that point.
You highlight the women in history that rise above, with determination, righting the lies and accusations against women, exposing the hidden history I would never have learned in school. I think Margaret would be so proud to know her fight for her family is still being discussed in 2023 with respect and admiration.
The Wars of the Roses have so many confusing moments about which Richard or Edward does what, but the women always stand out. They use the power they have to challenge the status quo of the times and become something unbelievable. The biggest mistakes men of these times-and still today-make is underestimating a woman’s power.
After these two videos, I have a much bigger appreciation for what Margaret went through to save Henry's rightful lands, and help him secure the throne of England. Great videos beginning to end, this series is fascinating!
Thank you so much. Also I like the little Game of Thrones reference in your username. It's especially appropriate for a Wars of the Roses video, as that was the inspiration for GoT. I'm not sure which historical figure we could match Arya up to though.
@@HistoryCalling I did not know that! I can believe it though, they were ruthless... but I guess you had to be. What was it Cersei said? "When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. There's no middle ground."
P.S. I absolutely love the intro to your videos. It always makes me smile! 😁
@@HistoryCalling lol, Margaret of Anjou? ( in relation to who would be the character of Arya) lol. Joan of Arc is probably more fitting but she wasn't really one of the cousins in the Cousin's War. 😄
Wonderful video, and super informative.
As for why Margret and Elizabeth suggested Catherine of Aragon be taught French, it was likely because it's easier for someone whose native tongue is a romance language to pick up another of the same, and she would have more access to French speakers in Spain than she would to English speakers so she could stay fluent until she arrived in England. From there, with a language in common with pretty much ALL of her in-laws, it would have made the transition to English MUCH easier for Catherine.
That's an excellent point. I hadn't thought about it like that. Thank you :-)
I think it's easy for historical fiction authors to paint Lady Margaret as the Mother-in-law from hell because we see her only as mother to Henry VII, and not as her own person. Which isn't a fair assessment for any woman, mother or otherwise. It's clear that Lady Margaret Beaufort was utterly indomitable, and she was in the company of other indomitable women. I'm sure tensions flared, but probably not to the extent that we think. Thank you for going into greater depth about her and broadening my appreciation for the women of this era. Great work as always!
You're very welcome and I agree that she probably wasn't as one-note as a mother-in-law as some writers make her out to be. As you say, the two women probably had their good days and bad days, like all families.
Lady Margaret Beaufort was my 14th great-grandmother. I also seem to be descended from almost all of the principal families of the period. For me this makes the War of the Roses a cross between Game of Thrones and Family Feud.
I hope Margaret Beaufort is burning in hell with Charlemagne, King John I, King Henry III, King Edward I, King Henry VII, King Henry VIII, Marie de Medici, King Louis XIV, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn, Queen Victoria, King Edward VII, King George V, King Edward VIII, King George VI, and Prince Philip. 👗👠👑💍
I believe that she was a person who realized how much was at stake and someone who left nothing to chance. She made things happen.
She's much remembered as the mother of the King, but as you described, she was a lot more. She must have been a force of nature in the room.
Who knows what she discovered about herself after her marriage, pregnancy and widowing by 15? I'm amazed at what she was able to parler to her advantage and for those around her.
She lived to a ripe old age for the time too.
Good for you Lady Margaret!👍
What a fascinating life and I find it both sad and incredible that she fought so hard for her son from the moment he was born, given that she herself was still a child. My own daughter is 10. The thought of someone only a couple of years older being expected to marry and raise a child is insane to me. I realize that things were wildly different 500+ years ago, but a child is still a child. It's no wonder, then, that she was so close to and protective of her son (and later her granddaughter). She literally grew up with him! Thank you for yet another fantastic and fascinating video!
Yes, attitudes to child marriage were indeed ridiculous, but then again I suppose we have to remember that there are places in the world today where Margaret's situation wouldn't be unusual. I'm just grateful I don't live in any of them.
@@HistoryCalling as a woman raising a girl child in the United States right now--yeah. Thankfully we live on the West Coast in a very blue (liberal) state. But we briefly considered moving to my husband's home state (Ohio) when she was born and that's one that is forcing kids her age to birth children. It's horrifying.
Anne Mowbray Countess of Norfolk was married to Richard of Shrewsbury, Duke of York (Youngest of the two princes) when she was 5, he was 4, in St. Stephen's Chapel, Westminster. Lamentably the Chapel is now a corridor in the Houses of Parliament.
Are you saying that you believe that ten year old in Ohio deserved what happened to her? That it was her fault she got pregnant? I would love to hear how you think a little girl is capable of consenting to something like that.
Yeah it like she's a child but unfortunately the conditions during those days and the era she live in is treacherous. Not just Margaret being born in an era where people can die from war and plague as well men during those time have a shorter lifespan, but her life is constantly under threat during those War of Roses. I watch a video on Scottish history on another creator. While I can put in their shoes why marriages happening so young during those times, I think it could have been different if the conditions are improved.
I'm just greatful for the peace the forefathers obtain that leads to the present day and as well good education and healthcare
My wife came from Collyweston where her palace once stood , and found out she did alot for the village and surrounding community aspecially for the local church and its people.😊😊
I have to remind myself that religion played a much bigger role in people's lives back then, so the young queen might have felt a duty to defer to the authority of her husband's mother to a greater degree than brides would today. Apparently it is still a mystery why her own mother decided to withdraw altogether from court. Did Edward IV's queen still grieve for her lost sons, feel weary from a long life of struggle and want to avoid a power struggle that would have made things difficult for her daughter? Or did Margaret have some unknown hold over her from earlier times and force her to retire? Nobody knows. And nobody knows how the younger Elizabeth really felt about her mother-in-law. Thank you for a fascinating presentation. It certainly is an extraordinary story!
Thanks Ann. I get into Elizabeth Woodville's withdrawal from court a bit in my second video on her, but like you said, we don't really know the reason. It's another little historical mystery.
Boy, this was a busy woman with a rather long life of 66 years!!
Yes, she certainly crammed a lot in.
My Ancestry tree goes back to the York, Plantaganets, Stuarts, Tudors, all on different sides of my family. I’m so invested in this now.
She's by far, one of my favorite royals. I wish more people researched her truth, her intelligence, and her will to survive as you have. Thank you for sharing.
These two videos were some of the most fascinating yet. I love hearing about women who have mostly been forgotten by history or painted as two dimensional schemers or harlots.
Thanks Jessica :-)
She was an absolutely amazing woman , I would not have survived this time .. yet she survived all of this and then some 💝 she was so Strong .. history has a way of making all the strong women witches in their own right .. look at all the examples 😹😹😹 but the saddest part is how & when she died .. I would have too especially if the entire meaning to my very existence was gone 💔 a gripping story , thank you for a closer look at this Inspiration called a Woman , this Legend called a Mother 🥰🥰🥰
Very enjoyable. I wonder how much influence Margaret had on Henry's decisions to execute Edward Earl of Warwick and Perkin Warbeck?
Even more interesting was the King's treatment of Lady Catherine Gordon (Warbeck's widow). She became a lady in waiting to Elizabeth of York and we all know what that could mean under his son!.
Lady Catherine was a famed beauty and there are records of the tightfisted King Henry 7th spending considerable sums on her.
I wonder what their relationship was especially after the Queen's death and what Margaret made of it?
Hmm, good questions. Warwick and Warbeck weren't executed for a long time and only after they'd made repeated attempts to seize the throne and/or escape custody. I've actually always thought Henry VII was quite restrained when it came to killing people. He wasn't like his son. I can't say if Margaret influenced him one way or the other though. I know very little about Lady Catherine, but you've piqued my interest. :-)
👏👏 Awesome, HC! I think I'll have to add this to my personal "HC Greatest Hits" list, along with the Princes in the Tower, Benjamin Bathurst and the Irish Witch Burning (among others). I'm not sure Margaret would qualify as an "awful" mother-in-law; both women lived in uncertain times and out of necessity knew how to joust with one another. You rock! Stay safe. 🙏🏼
Thanks Stephen. I wish more people would give poor Benjamin a shot. It's one of the most interesting historical mysteries I've ever come across.
@@HistoryCalling Indeed! Love me some true crime; I believe Benjamin's disappearance qualifies.
6:33 The diabolical delivery..."...and DEATH..." History Calling's finest moment, theatrically. My third watch/listen, and I always have to rewind that.
She was extremely intelligent and ruthless with what she saw as a divine, God written destiny for her son. She garners my respect for that. She wasn't one you would ever want to cross.
I bet the church received a sizable “donation” for the dispensation that everyone knows they’ll get anyway. Your talk was very interesting, and I believe Margaret had to have nerves of steel. She was able to see her son succeed and enjoyed immense wealth-both of which she earned through her brains and courage. .If I could meet one English king it would be Henry the 7th. He certainly Tom after his mother
I feel like i’ve completely reworked the picture of Margaret in my head after these, thank you so much for your hard work as always, excellent content! happy easter HC 🐰!
Thank you. Happy Easter to you too 😄
I feel that way, as well. Granted, most of what I (thought I) knew was from fictional portrayals, such as the Philippa Gregory books lol That was my first mistake!
@@A.Girl.Has.No.Name. Exactly the same here! i always say, i can’t hate it too much because it was a large part of what got me interested in the real thing 😁
really enjoyed that you split this over two episodes; margaret's impact and influence on the monarchy is undeniable!
She was an extraordinary woman. I admired her bravery, her devotion to her son and her patronage to education.
Thank for the history lesson. Have a great day.
Thanks Leticia :-)
Don’t forget that the ascension of Henry also cemented the Welsh - English union since on the paternal side were the noble Tudors of Penmynydd
Yes, between his Welsh and English blood, Elizabeth of York's English blood and the fact that their daughter became Queen of Scotland, the family certainly brought the island together.
@@HistoryCalling Did he consider himself particularly Welsh? Other than to gain support, I mean? Did it help the Welsh people much that he was King? It's something I'd love to look into more at some point.
I have massive admiration of Margaret Beaufort. She survived against the odds in a man's world, keeping steady and strong and with her eyes on the future for herself and her precious son. She got through a difficult labour at 13, made strategic and intelligent marriages of her own choice, and kept hope alive when many times all seemed so bleak and life seemed desperate to defeat her. But it never did. She was a true strong survivor in a violent and volatile world!
I think she was ruthless, though not necessarily unscrupulous. I can’t help but have an admiration for her intelligence and determination, while simultaneously disliking her ruthlessness and arrogance. She certainly was one of history’s most interesting women.
Yes, I think she and her great-granddaughter Elizabeth could have had some interesting discussions about how to be a woman in a man's world.
@@HistoryCalling It's easy to forget that she was Elizabeth I's great-grandmother. Elizabeth clearly has her great-grandmother to thank for a lot of her intelligence and ability to stay ahead in a man's world. Given the job she was called to do, she was very fortunate to have such an ancestor and have the gene lottery in her favour!
You gave me a morr complete picture of who she was than I have yet encountered, and I've listened to a lot of documentaries about her. As always, you rock. ❤️
Thank you very much ☺ Of course it's much easier to rock when I have such a fascinating research subject.
@@HistoryCalling you consistently rock, honey.
I just loved this so much! It was so well done. What a fasincating period in England's history. I think she was annoying (especially to Elizabeth of York) and had a strong personality for everyone to deal with. But with that being said, she wanted the best for everyone and felt she knew better than most. And I think it's clear she was an intelligent woman. A faithful woman. You can't help but like her determination, her faith and how strong of a woman she was.
Margaret was a survivor and brilliant woman who was too busy trying to keep her son and herself alive to be the evil overreaching woman she is accused of by so many. I have a great deal of respect for this powerhouse of a mother.
Fabulous couple of videos thank you x
Looked forward to this video all week!
Thank you. I hope it lives up to expectations :-)
Margaret Beaufort was exactly what she had to be…an independent woman at a time when men ruled the world. She was the proverbial great woman behind the “great” man. She played the system for all it was worth, and she was very savvy to the politics of her day. If she were alive today and in the US, she would be president.
Never President. Vast majority of people hate her. Other than that I agree with your comment.😊
Excellent treatment of MB, thanks so much. Your videos really bring the Wars of the Roses (my favorite part of British history) to life; I've recommended your work. Margaet remains one of my favorite English ladies! Keep'm coming. (If you ever look towards us here in Texas, I'd like to chat with you about the Texas Revolution of 1836...)
Happy Easter! Significant that you chose today to commemorate Lady Margaret Beaufort in part two. She was named a Paragon of the Church for promoting the Feast of the Name of Jesus by Pope Alexander VI.
You have really done Lady Margaret justice. Always destined for greatness, she didn't disappoint, her great uncle had been Cardinal Henry Beaufort who led the peace party during the minority of Henry VI.
The Tudor dynasty could have ended prematurely when she, her son and daughter-in-law narrowly escaped death at Christmastide 1497 when Richmond Palace was engulfed in flames.
Henry spent a couple of precious weeks with his mother and her husband Stafford, at Woking before his long exile. After Bosworth he chose Woking rather than London for a stay. No wonder he liked it.
Coldharbour was previously the home of Henry Holland, 3rd Duke of Exeter who despite being the brother-in-law of Edward IV was a staunch Lancastrian Commander, was left for dead on the field horribly wounded at Barnet where her husband Stafford sadly died later from his wounds, Henry astoundingly survived.
Cecily Neville lived in a similar situation to Coldharbour at Baynard's Castle. They both chose to live in the country afterwards at Collyweston as you say and Berkhamstead respectively.
The saddle still exists that Lady Margaret bought
Henry VIII. The first authorised mention of Henry VIII anywhere was by Margaret. In her Book of Hours she annotated in the margin in her own hand, his birth, mentioning his name twice. In her Book of Hours she had earlier recorded her son's victory at Bosworth.
Two Margarets loom large in the WotR. Without which it would probably have been lost. Margaret of Anjou and Lady Margaret Beaufort.
A third Margaret, Yorkist this time, Margaret of York had tried but lost. When her husband was alive he and Edward IV had a see-saw existence and Margaret prevailed on both to come to the others aid. After his death Margaret of York moved her court to Mechelen and plotted the downfall of the Tudors, it didn't work.
If as you surmise that Edward Duke of Warwick and Saint Margaret Pole were barred from the succession by virtue of their father being a confirmed traitor then by the same token Richard Duke of York son of Richard of Conisbrough should likewise have been barred. Parliament however was seen as malleable in reversing laws.
Sad about the French king Charles VIII who had aided Henry VII by providing trained troops which though out-manned possibly ensured victory at Bosworth, was to die tragically because of watching a game of jeu de paume > real tennis.
The Beaufort badge the Portcullis (from Beaufort castle in France and property of John of Gaunt [?]) is synonymous with government and Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford, named after her. Elizabeth Woodville (born a Lancastrian) and Margaret of Anjou are dual founders of Queens' College, Cambridge. Lady Margaret was involved with St. John's College Cambridge too. One of Lady Margaret's chaplains, Hugh Oldham, helped to found Corpus Christi College, Oxford.
She was a notable translator of religious works including one by Thomas a' Kempis.
She is deserving of her place in Westminster Abbey. 🥀
Thank you so much.
Thank you. Yes, that fire was some pretty scary stuff. Glad I wasn't there. Happy Easter to you too.
Great job, thank you!
Thanks Tanya. Glad you enjoyed it :-)
Thank you for such an excellent presentation
Good evening to history calling from Bea and happy Easter 🐥
Hi Bea. Happy Easter to you too. Hope you have a good one :-)
Just absolutely loooove everything you do!!!!😊😊😊😊 another fantastic upload/episode!!!😊😊
Thank you so much!! :-)
I look forward to your videos every Friday after work!
Yay! Thank you! :-)
That was a great sequel to last weeks episode. I’ll look forward to next week 😊
Thanks Carol. Something from a bit later in the timeline next week.
This video was wonderful and added to my understanding of the King's Mother!
Excellent programme xxx
Thank you so much. Of course it always helps when I have such a fascinating research subject.
Thank you for this excellent video; your hallmarks are clarity, excellent research, and objectivity!
Blushing over here 😊 Thank you very much.
Happy Easter and thank you for another great video 🐣🐣
Thanks Lorraine. I hope you have a lovely Easter weekend too :-)
If I had lived during her lifetime, I would have ducked out of sight when I saw her coming. She was a formidable person! Excellent and well-researched videos!
Thanks David. Yes, I wouldn't have wanted to go up against her either.
I hope Margaret Beaufort is burning in Hell with her son, King Henry VII, grandson King Henry VIII, King John, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn, Queen Victoria, King George V, King George VI, Prince Philip, etc. I hope Prince William will burn in Hell with Margaret Beaufort. 👗👠👑💍🇬🇧
Thanks for a different perspective on Margaret Beaufort. I havent read much, but what I did leaned towards the scheming harridan view. This balances the scales. While I still dont think she would have been likeable, if she was anything other than she was, she probably would not have survived.
Another fantastic, informative video, REALLY enjoyed it thank you, what a brave woman she was.
Thank you kindly :-) Yes, she was certainly impressive.
I have always thought of her as a battleax and I still do.
Margaret Beaufort was in my opinion one of the greatest woman in English history I always heard of the army waiting on the hill at the Battle of Bosworth but when I learned it was here husband leading that army that swooped in and finished the battle for Henry the 7th it just blew me away and sealed my opinion of this great lady
Excellent!
Women like Margaret were pawns for power. I know she was groomed for this and after nearly losing her life in childbirth it appears Henry became her main and only focus. I believe she learned to be astute and knew very well her “lot in life”. She was a survivor. She had gambled and schemed to have Henry become king and once established, I doubt she tolerated much interference as you have indicated by your video. I think she must have liked Elizabeth. I have read she was a doting mother (Elizabeth). Perhaps they had that in common and as you said, tolerated one another. Henry loved Elizabeth and was devastated at her death. It would be interesting to know if she encouraged Henry to remarry. A lot of these women were complicated, strong-willed, and as we still talk about them today, left us to ponder what we shall never know. Thank you HC, sorry I rambled on so.
I believe that it was likely that Elizabeth and Henry were both very grateful that they had Margaret watching their backs. They probably understood that for them to stay alive and keep the crown, they had to work very closely together. I'm sure that Elizabeth was not always happy when she didn't get her way. But nobody always gets their way. Not even the king or the queen.
This is just speculation, but they may have tried to have Katherine learn French to start with because French and Spanish are both Latin languages while English is Germanic. Since they probably already spoke some French at court (especially considering Henry VII spent a lot of his excile there), they may have believed it would be easier to start her off with French then transition to English.
I love your channel. I look forward to every new episode. Would you ever consider doing an episode on Veronica Franco the courtesan?
This was my favorite of your wonderful presentations! Thank you again for sharing your scholarship with us.
I like Margaret's personality! She was a brave, intelligent woman who seems to have been a good judge of character. Elizabeth could have done worse as regards her mother-in-law.
I smile at the idea of Margaret squeezing her way into the front seat of the car with Henry and Elizabeth! Elizabeth was lucky to be there herself. Margaret might have been omnipresent, but I don't think that she was a bad mother-in-law.
Thanks MaryAnn (not sure if I should be writing that as one name, two, or with a hyphen, so apologies if I got it wrong. It's hard to tell with YT handles). I'm glad you enjoyed hearing about Margaret. She was certainly quite a woman and very interesting to read about. She's be great to have at a dinner party, if you could only get her to spill the beans on all the famous people she knew :-)
Happy Easter! Still love Margaret B. Thanks for another great video. I remember her portrayed in the Spanish Princess but had a small part.
Thanks Delia. I've never seen the Spanish Princess :-( I don't have the correct TV channel, which I'm quite sad about.
Pleas note the Tudor dynasty could have ended abruptly and tragically. In Chrismastide 1497 Lady Margaret, her son and daughter-in-law chose to celebrate at Richmond Palace. There was a conflagration. The roof was on fire, the two ladies departed quickly and Henry with seconds to spare as a burning roof timber fell where he had been standing.
Just after Lady Margaret sadly passed away, the Palace of Westminster burned, that was in 1513. Her grandson Henry VIII moved out and no monarch has lived there since.
Thank you, for bringing these people to life. it’s great to listen to your work. I’m directly descended from the Tudors, Owen, Jasper and beyond, and Elizabeth of York was a 1st cousin multiple generations past. So Margeret is related by marriage.
what an incredible life, almost hard to believe
I know. I don't know how she coped with it all.
I don't know much about Elizabeth of York, but you can see how Margaret Beaufort and Elizabeth of York's characters are quite different. Elizabeth was described as kind, sweet, humble, charitable, loyal, etc., and she went t very difficult time during the Wars of the Roses. But she married Henry VII and have a happy and successful marriage and always keep her kind heart. It is very sad that she had to die so young, But on the other hand Margaret is better known than Elizabeth. She played a more active role in matters of the court. She has a strong personality, determined, so Elizabeth must have been patient with her, and she know Margaret had a lot more experience than her and for that she must have been respect her.I don't think Margaret was really an awful mother-in-law as she showed much affection to her grandchildren, that demonstrated that she was on good term with their mother. Thank you for your video that I enjoy always.
A brilliant part 2 on one of my favourite historical women! Thankyou, I loved it! Out of a million thoughts: I wonder why William Stanley joined Warbeck's cause & turned on Henry VII? I know he was formerly a Yorkist, but you'd think he was in a pretty good position as the king's step-uncle.
Thanks Beth. I'd love to know that too. Whatever his reason, it was a serious miscalculation.
Hi, how are you? I'm doing well. Happy Easter to you. Awesome live history video I enjoyed it. Your history videos are always enjoyable. Have a great day see you next video greetings from Canada 😊
Thanks Michelle. Happy Easter to you too. I hope you have a lovely weekend.
Hello it's Amanda,from Australia. I just wanted to wish you a happy Easter to you and your family . With Sincerest Best Wishes Amanda from Down Under.🎉
Thanks Amanda. I hope you had a lovely Easter too.
Thank you so much for this video. It’s very confusing with, who is who, but you explain it very well. 👍😍
You’re welcome 😊 (and I find this particular family pretty confusing too).
Thanks for another informative and enjoyable video. Going off subject a bit, what struck me was the use of a phrase which I've heard in many similar videos: 'papal dispensation'. I understand the concept, but how did it work in practice? Were they investigated thoroughly or were they, as the cynic in me would imagine, simply a cash cow for the Vatican? How political was the issue of such dispensations, and are there any examples where the result was simply ignored? I would be interested to hear more on this, but perhaps it's just me!
Carry on the good work, it is appreciated.
Just the term Mother in Law invokes a perception of a Dracula movie and my own life experience. Having myself not being a Tudor in that era it seems like it could cost you a head. Fast forward to the Present watch the View. These guys (Kings) would be in trouble. Happy Easter to our History Teacher and her entire student class. You had me at that accent
Margaret makes me think of a quote by country star Hank Williams: I’d rather have my mother by my side in a bar fight than any other!
I have a question now I know Elizabeth the 1 ruled long and died in 1603 and most of the people she knew and her friends and trusted advisers were all dead in 1603 time if Mary queen of Scot’s wasn’t executed and was alive in 1603 was any of her ladies in waiting or French friends or relatives at that point could have helped her because well the last friends and people who Elizabeth the 1 loved most of them died in the 1590s by any chance were Mary queen of Scot’s any of her relatives or ladies in waiting that she knew growing up were still alive in 1603 because it definitely would be a new change for Mary queen of Scots because not only was England Protestant but it was full of more younger Protestant men and woman no idea what Mary queen of Scot’s would have done I think if she wants to be safe she would probably invite all her friends and ladies in waiting from France and Scotland do you know History calling if any of her friends or lords or any one from her Scottish court or French court was still alive in 1603 like the 4 Mary’s were any of them still alive in 1603
I think Margaret was rather obssessive over her son...but can we blame her with the life she'd led?! She may have been a nightmare mother in law but I think most of her actions fit simply with her having previously had no control over her own life & never wanting to experience that again.
She must've been a strong woman not to just give in & accept her lot in life as a pawn on a chessboard! Her treatment towards her granddaughter is more evidence to support your belief that she was injured in childbirth at such a young age.
Watching this & then the previous one next, sort of like a prequel to this. lol
Haha, hey as long people are watching them, I don't mind what order they go in :-)
When you’ve been very poor and helpless, you either lose any sense of materialism, and thank God for your freedom, or you never have enough to feel safe and secure.
Lady Margaret was my 13th great grandmother
Can't help but wonder how would she reacted to her great granddaughters (Mary and Elizabeth)
Whew!
Margaret probably said much the same after she heard the result of the Battle of Bosworth 😅
I was just wondering when you would do Magaret Beaufort - thank you for the definitive YT video now
You're welcome. She's been on my to-do list for well over a year actually, ever since I announced last January that I was going to make my way through the women of the Wars of the Roses, so it's been nice to finally get to her.
@@HistoryCalling - a great addition to an awesome playlist - 167K subs btw - well done you - 🛸✨
I think she was a wonderful mother who had to worry about her son being murdered by his in laws! They had absolute motive to do exactly that. It’s said that Elizabeth his wife really truly loved him though. Margaret was fortunate for that.
I hope Margaret Beaufort is burning in hell with Charlemagne, King John I, King Henry III, King Edward I, King Henry VII, King Henry VIII, Marie de Medici, King Louis XIV, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn, Queen Victoria, King Edward VII, King George V, King Edward VIII, King George VI, and Prince Philip. 👗👠👑💍
Again, another excellent Video HC. It is undeniable that Margaret worked hard to promote her son's dubious claim to the throne. I should think she was pretty insufferable as a mother-in-law, if courtiers are telling other European Royalty, that Elizabeth of York "didn't like it". I don't think Elizabeth could do much about it though. Thanks HC.
It would be fascinating to be able to be a fly on the wall, so to speak, when those two were together. I wish we knew more about what they thought of one another.
@@HistoryCalling I should imagine that Elizabeth was pretty guarded in what she said to Margaret and that she may have spoken very little to her. Margaret must have been supremely confident around Elizabeth though. Might I suggest even a little smug, totally misplaced of course.
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Sounds good to me :-)
Oh and congrats on the kittens :-)
@@HistoryCalling I just hope I don't get A war of the roses situation.
Haha, hopefully not!
Congrats on the kittens!👏
Seriously, they did Margaret so dirty in The White Princess. Didn't help that they cast Catelyn Stark as Margaret. (I'm sure the actress is a lovely person, but I did NOT like Catelyn Stark.) Thank you for sharing this, I love these videos! 😊
I am going to be in Leicester, probably to Margaret’s dislike. What would you recommend I see?
Personally, Margaret is probably the strongest female I’ve heard of. I think Elizabeth I gets a lot of her savvy from her great grandmum
I've never been to Leicester actually, but isn't Richard III buried there now? You could go see his tomb.
I plan on that. I was curious if there is more history to “call upon”. (Sorry I had to).
I have heard from different sources I've read that Elizabeth of York wasn't particularly fond of her mother-in-law Margaret Beaufort. Whatever the case may have been Margaret Beaufort was very strategic and resilient and played the game for keeps.
Not awful perhaps but certainly cunning and shrewd. A product of her times. Margaret would have made an highly effective king. After all she went through it wouldn't be a wonder if she'd had a nervous break down. A most determined woman.
Yes, it is impressive actually how mentally strong she stayed. Mind you, I think that's something the women in the Wars of the Roses had in common with each other.
@@HistoryCalling Oh to have been a 'fly on the wall' at the intrigue and machinations of these historic figures. The insight would fill volumes, but I would be just as interested in the common people!
I think both Margaret and Elizabeth of York could have had grounds for each believing the other to be not exactly of true royal blood. Margaret could have possibly looked down on Elizabeth of Woodville as almost a commoner, while both Elizabeths could have considered Margaret as coming from a dubious, illegitimate line. That might have added another dimension to any kind of "normal," occasional tension between mother and daughter-in-law. But of course that's just speculation.
Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if their complicated births led to some tension. I think it was certainly a very snobby era when it came to that sort of thing.
Wasn't Margaret's official reason for going along with the marriage of her son to E. of York to finally unite previously rival families? But could she have also realized that if the princes in the t. ever showed up later, that E. of Y. wouldn't have admitted to recognizing them because that would cause her to sacrifice her position as queen to become just another sister of a king?
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Margaret was a monster. Poor Elizabeth...
Simply put but says it all.👍🏻
I have the greatest respect for Margaret Beaufort. More so than any other of the women involved in the Cousins War.
Did you know one of Mary queen of Scot’s husband James Hepburn one of his wife Jean Gordon was born in 1546 and died in 1629 what a long age right
Interesting video! I don't think she was awful. She surely was shrewd though.
She was indeed. A product of her times as one of my other commenters said.
What I see in much of English history is that, although it was a "man's" world, there were some exceedingly strong women. Eleanor of Aquitaine, Queen Maud, Lady Margaret. And, if you want to go back a long ways, how about Queen Boudica?
If I thought people would watch a video on Boudica, I'd consider doing one, but they don't seem to like my forays into ancient history :-(
@@HistoryCalling There's very little in history that I don't care for. We have to remember to study history so that it doesn't repeat. Could Russia attacking Ukraine be looked at as Rome attacking Britain?
I don't think Margaret was the mother-in-law from hell. Aside from the fact that she was obviously attached at the hip with her son, the fact that she doted on her grandchildren would signal that she was on decent terms with their mother. Beth&793 and I were having a little discussion about Catherine of Valois in the comments after last week's video. We were wondering if you would consider doing an episode on her since, while she was no longer alive during the Wars of the Roses, her immediate descendants were certainly pivotal to the outcome. Pretty please?
She's on my list :-)
@@HistoryCalling Yay!!!
I should think that French was suggested for Catherine of Aragon to learn instead of English, because it is more like Spanish than is English. Thus easier to learn.
Ease of learning was irrelevant at the time. Princesses learnt the language of the kingdom they were most likely to marry into or already promised to. Catherine learnt English because she was promised to Arthur, but if that fell through there was a decent chance she would go to a French husband, and French was just generally considered an ‘educated’ language at the time. Her parents wanted to show off their wealth and power by having highly educated daughters, something that only the richest and most powerful had. Margaret was similarly flexing her education and high birth by saying ‘oh, don’t worry with a peasant language like English, me and my family speak French like civilised people’
I feel like she would have been an intense mother in law, not neccessarily bad, but she'd been so driven for most her life and that must have carried over to some extent. Margaret taking a step back when Henry got married would have been hard to manage even thought she must have been delighted with the outcome and overjoyed to be able to feely spend time with her son, I'd imagine she was very happy with Elizabeth as his wife but that probably didn't stop her paranoia and planning.