I enjoyed the video and the information in it including the import information. Looking at all the flexing when you load the unit makes me think you will soon own a Chinese mig welder and use it to install braces all over the machine. Good luck!
Most of the movement you are seeing is coming from the tongue, which is on a pivot and has some play to it, but its a solid steel rod. If anything, I worry the frame itself might be a tad too rigid, which can also be a bad thing. Time will tell, but so far my biggest complaints come from the design and not the structure. I do have a welder just in case ;). That one is American though.
Hey, i hope this machine will last, although it is known that it is cheap because it is built from cheap components. I live in Estonia and I bought a machine made in Estonia last year from the company Forstman and I am very satisfied with it, of course it was also much more expensive than the machine made in China. But all the best to you and may this machine last ;)
Shorter turning radius would also mean a lower load limit as the weight shift would lift the atv/utv. a larger fluid reservoir and faster valves are very helpful.
Yes, you can, but it's mostly to balance the load out to keep most of the weight right over the axle with enough on the tongue to keep traction and stability.
Great video! Putting the controls on the ATV will make it more difficult to unhitch the trailer to use the ATV to run into town to get repair parts. I think you would have done better with a Logrite fetching arch along with their Junior arch to raise the entire log off the ground. It would require more trips, but it's a less complicated operation.
That's exactly why I ultimately decided against it. As it is, I can haul it around with my car, so its pretty handy. You aren't wrong, and I think for the vast majority of people interested in this sort of thing the log arch is the best option, but a big motivation for me was the ability to experiment with "large scale small scale" operations, so the log arch felt too limited. It is an intellectual pursuit as much as anything.
Im not too concerned about it. Theres a smaller ~.3 inch square tube inside of there in addition to those inch thick steel plates. Youd be doing wheelies with the tractor long before that broke. The first part to break will likely be right by the hitch, and coincidentally or not, they made that the easiest thing to repair/replace.
I have a great pulp trailer and I paid for it. 30k. I see where you're coming from when it comes to price, but I got what I paid for - better stabilizer arms, higher clearance, great tires and incredible strength. Mine requires a 35 to 50 hp tractor- it would crush an atv. It bottoms out a Tacoma. There are smaller models for smaller tractors or atvs for less money. Best of all, it is north American made. I follow the n.b. fellow. I'm in Atlantic Canada too. The woody's log trailers that i have may cost more but your supporting local jobs. Maybe there was something lost in translation about the size of trailer you wanted. My opinion is that most people should trade in the thought of paying less for equipment, save the shipping costs, assembly time and lower quality steel for north American quality. I'm assuming all of us are doing some forestry to make cool things to sell to those near by. Seems inconsistent to want locals to buy from us when we buy equipment from far away - when we can buy it here.
This might work as a starter trailer though, until he is doing enough to afford the next best quality model. And after that happens, this becomes the backup.
Got to start somewhere. You can afford this to run a wood lot for firewood, and then earn the money to buy something better. If I could be a younger man I would seriously consider this so I could start on my project property sooner.
Do you think it would be a good fit for a 31hp 4x4 tractor and what was the cost of the unit? I’m considering buying one in addition to my three point iton&oak grapple on my small plot of land to thin and manage the small trees to let the bigger ones grow.
I have always been interested in equipment like this. It does not appear that this one will pick up logs. For me an average log weight is roughly 1500#.
Why dose a logging trailer have a independent motor my Weimer 6700 that ir un on my mtz 82 runs on hydronics never heard of logging trailer having a motor lol
@@thetimberlandinvestor still a trailer attached to a proper tractor is safer and the grapple and Divider or whatever it's called in English works faster and is there really a point in having such a small trailer
@@KraLemi1 Speed definitely isn't always good. I actually have the governor set to restrict the speed quite a bit for both safety and protection of residual trees. That said, I may attach it all to the tractor hydraulics in the future so I dont have to leave the tractor to operate it. The purpose of this is experimental. I wan to know what the minimum viable size is for a forest operation. In some of my latest videos, particularly the one about forest trails, I explain why.
Bravo We operate in both Canada and USA. While C anada also starts with a C, there's a world of distance compared to C hina! We share the same phone system, continent. LANGUAGE, culture, and understand each other in all aspects of business! . Generally Canadiains love doing business with Americans, and are happy to talk. Yes Canadians cannot afford to work for 3 bowls of rice per day, but the familiarity, friendliness, and fellowship is worth the increase in price... and OFTEN- IT'S cheaper, for better quality than our famous own "Made in America". So when I see that maple leaf flag on a product. I buy IT with pride also.
I don't think that you appreciate the design parameters of Chinese manufacturing. This was designed to be as equipment agnostic as possible. It would not be particularly difficult to modify this to be horse drawn or use anything else. The Scandinavian ones assume that they know what you are attaching to.
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It's really something to ponder how the West has made their nations so hostile to small businesses that something like this is more economical to buy from the other side of the world rather than make it right down the street. There's nothing about that machine that I couldn't make in my own shop... except that I can't even buy the parts and materials for what the chicoms are able to deliver the entire unit to your door. When you start looking into the matter, you see that it's all just straws on the camel's back, one tiny regulation, tax, policy, and/or law after another. Often, they don't seem the least bit related, but they all impact a man's ability to run a shop and turn out good product.
One can definitely make that argument. The machine has enabled me to do a lot on my land I wouldnt have been able to do otherwise, and it has held up well. But yes, it was a massive headache.
The comments say it all, there's nifty homeowner stuff, then there's this.. Donno what to say, institutionalized homeowner mentality I guess, no longer aware you're severely affected. You're getting the worst of both worlds, if anyone here in Scandinavia saw you loaf around with this setup and the way that thing was flexing, you'd have half of them about done wheezing for air (one guy I knew would have outright expired), while the other half is rushing to immobilize you and pull you away as they'd think you weren't capable of critical thinking. You clearly figured you needed a logging trailer that badly, and in so doing you're aiming for enough production that a good used setup wouldn't have set you back nearly as much as you think. Another thing too is I wouldn't support someone yowling about supporting 'muricans (not saying anyone are), if it turned out they were using Chinese forestry equipment. People notice when you get the N.A built stuff.
i don't think china's lack of customer service has to do with it being a "soviet style economy". poor customer service has to do with keeping costs low, aka the incentives of capitalism
Its deeper than it being only about customer service. From what I know, its a very producer focused economy, and producers also cooperate with each other in ways not seen in the west. For example, you have entire towns dedicated to producing only one small component, like maybe zippers or carburetors, so it ends up being like a producer based syndicalism. But I would like to go there and learn more, particularly to the Shenzhen area. Interestingly, you also see the producer-focus on Mexico, but most of the Mexican economy is informal and made up of small farmers, factories, and family businesses, so the producer focus is pretty beneficial in that instance because everyone is also a producer... But there is still no customer service, so it is a tradeoff.
@@thetimberlandinvestor interesting! it makes sense they would be producer focused since all the factories need each other. i guess my criticism was that china's economy resembles the US system more than it resembles the soviet system, in my opinion. china is basically state sanctioned capitalism. sorry for bringing this to your channel, though you do talk a lot about markets and the forest economy. regardless, i've enjoyed learning from your videos. i bought some woodland in 2021 and there's not a ton of good information out there, you really have to dig for it and cobble together pieces of knowledge if you want to be an informed landowner. but your channel synthesizes a lot of info that's buried / inaccessible, and explains it in a good way. thanks!
The title of the video said that he bought a Chinese logging trailer, it did not say that he was doing a video showing the trailer being loaded with logs.
I think the shipping crate is sturdier than that peewee trailer. I guess if your only picking up 8-12in logs it might be viable but i hope your a decent welder. $3500 for shipping is outrageous. You probably could of paid a coyote south of the border half that to smuggle it over w/ his latest load of human cargo. I would definitely beef that chincy tongue up and add some outriggers. Best regards
I enjoyed the video and the information in it including the import information. Looking at all the flexing when you load the unit makes me think you will soon own a Chinese mig welder and use it to install braces all over the machine. Good luck!
Most of the movement you are seeing is coming from the tongue, which is on a pivot and has some play to it, but its a solid steel rod. If anything, I worry the frame itself might be a tad too rigid, which can also be a bad thing. Time will tell, but so far my biggest complaints come from the design and not the structure. I do have a welder just in case ;). That one is American though.
Hey, i hope this machine will last, although it is known that it is cheap because it is built from cheap components. I live in Estonia and I bought a machine made in Estonia last year from the company Forstman and I am very satisfied with it, of course it was also much more expensive than the machine made in China. But all the best to you and may this machine last ;)
What model did you got? How much does it cost?
Shorter turning radius would also mean a lower load limit as the weight shift would lift the atv/utv. a larger fluid reservoir and faster valves are very helpful.
Im pretty sure you can adjust the axle placement on those things. Looking forward to seeing your review on this critter.
Yes, you can, but it's mostly to balance the load out to keep most of the weight right over the axle with enough on the tongue to keep traction and stability.
Great video! Putting the controls on the ATV will make it more difficult to unhitch the trailer to use the ATV to run into town to get repair parts. I think you would have done better with a Logrite fetching arch along with their Junior arch to raise the entire log off the ground. It would require more trips, but it's a less complicated operation.
That's exactly why I ultimately decided against it. As it is, I can haul it around with my car, so its pretty handy.
You aren't wrong, and I think for the vast majority of people interested in this sort of thing the log arch is the best option, but a big motivation for me was the ability to experiment with "large scale small scale" operations, so the log arch felt too limited. It is an intellectual pursuit as much as anything.
I can see that thing snapping in half from the sideloading on the plates that connect the front and rear frames together.
Im not too concerned about it. Theres a smaller ~.3 inch square tube inside of there in addition to those inch thick steel plates. Youd be doing wheelies with the tractor long before that broke. The first part to break will likely be right by the hitch, and coincidentally or not, they made that the easiest thing to repair/replace.
@@thetimberlandinvestor I did not realize that the smaller square tube when all the way though. Better designed than I thought.
I have a great pulp trailer and I paid for it. 30k. I see where you're coming from when it comes to price, but I got what I paid for - better stabilizer arms, higher clearance, great tires and incredible strength. Mine requires a 35 to 50 hp tractor- it would crush an atv. It bottoms out a Tacoma. There are smaller models for smaller tractors or atvs for less money. Best of all, it is north American made. I follow the n.b. fellow. I'm in Atlantic Canada too. The woody's log trailers that i have may cost more but your supporting local jobs. Maybe there was something lost in translation about the size of trailer you wanted.
My opinion is that most people should trade in the thought of paying less for equipment, save the shipping costs, assembly time and lower quality steel for north American quality.
I'm assuming all of us are doing some forestry to make cool things to sell to those near by. Seems inconsistent to want locals to buy from us when we buy equipment from far away - when we can buy it here.
This might work as a starter trailer though, until he is doing enough to afford the next best quality model. And after that happens, this becomes the backup.
Got to start somewhere. You can afford this to run a wood lot for firewood, and then earn the money to buy something better. If I could be a younger man I would seriously consider this so I could start on my project property sooner.
3:34 Vahva Jussi. You did get it right! 😂😂
Va en mycket fin och det verkar vara en rejäl skogsvagn vad heter en sådan vagn? Tack för denna filmen 👍👏😊
have you got a link to this trailer?
😂
where did u buy it? do u have link?
Do you think it would be a good fit for a 31hp 4x4 tractor and what was the cost of the unit? I’m considering buying one in addition to my three point iton&oak grapple on my small plot of land to thin and manage the small trees to let the bigger ones grow.
Good luck 👍👍
Beware when turning as your tractor rear wheel can catch the hydrualic hoses and rip them off. The hoses on the engine pump look quite vulnerable.
Yes, no issues so far, but even on the big, professional machines, ripped hoses are a matter of when, not if.
I have always been interested in equipment like this. It does not appear that this one will pick up logs. For me an average log weight is roughly 1500#.
It can pick up softwood logs up to around 12 f and 18 inches in diameter, so it is more for intermediate work.
Awesome equipment
Awesome junk
Nice review sound a Little troublesome to Buy with Alibaba Do....
I was thinking of getting a drone which one did you purchase from alibaba?
What did it cost you?
$3,500 for the equipment and $3,500 for shipping, he said
“Was it snowing?”
20:51 like oh wow, it only hauls 4 fence posts
Petes equipment in Vermont they sell forestry trailers
Why dose a logging trailer have a independent motor my Weimer 6700 that ir un on my mtz 82 runs on hydronics never heard of logging trailer having a motor lol
It adds versatility. You could hitch this to a truck or another vehicle without a PTO and still have a functional grapple.
@@thetimberlandinvestor still a trailer attached to a proper tractor is safer and the grapple and Divider or whatever it's called in English works faster and is there really a point in having such a small trailer
@@KraLemi1 Speed definitely isn't always good. I actually have the governor set to restrict the speed quite a bit for both safety and protection of residual trees.
That said, I may attach it all to the tractor hydraulics in the future so I dont have to leave the tractor to operate it.
The purpose of this is experimental. I wan to know what the minimum viable size is for a forest operation. In some of my latest videos, particularly the one about forest trails, I explain why.
I usually start with the instructions 😅
What the lifting weights?
Nice little toy
for a child
Metavic is Canadian but double the price I’d say.
at least!!
Bravo We operate in both Canada and USA. While C anada also starts with a C, there's a world of distance compared to C hina! We share the same phone system, continent. LANGUAGE, culture, and understand each other in all aspects of business! . Generally Canadiains love doing business with Americans, and are happy to talk. Yes Canadians cannot afford to work for 3 bowls of rice per day, but the familiarity, friendliness, and fellowship is worth the increase in price... and OFTEN- IT'S cheaper, for better quality than our famous own "Made in America". So when I see that maple leaf flag on a product. I buy IT with pride also.
Sorry, longer tongue is much easier to back without jackknives
It might be easier assuming you have the room, but when driving it through trees, space is often in short supply.
@@thetimberlandinvestor It's not like a 10' tongue', but i know what you mean. Whats the lifting maximum ?
I don't think that you appreciate the design parameters of Chinese manufacturing. This was designed to be as equipment agnostic as possible. It would not be particularly difficult to modify this to be horse drawn or use anything else. The Scandinavian ones assume that they know what you are attaching to.
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Je ne parle pas anglais est ce que tu dit combien elle t’as coûter
Il a dit un peu pres 7.000 USD (avec la livraison)
@@JoshuaHumphreys merci
It's really something to ponder how the West has made their nations so hostile to small businesses that something like this is more economical to buy from the other side of the world rather than make it right down the street. There's nothing about that machine that I couldn't make in my own shop... except that I can't even buy the parts and materials for what the chicoms are able to deliver the entire unit to your door. When you start looking into the matter, you see that it's all just straws on the camel's back, one tiny regulation, tax, policy, and/or law after another. Often, they don't seem the least bit related, but they all impact a man's ability to run a shop and turn out good product.
Maybe sturdy enough to haul bamboo...
A little too sturdy actually. It could definitely use some weight reduction.
The trouble of dealing with the chineses is not worth the money saved.
One can definitely make that argument. The machine has enabled me to do a lot on my land I wouldnt have been able to do otherwise, and it has held up well. But yes, it was a massive headache.
The comments say it all, there's nifty homeowner stuff, then there's this.. Donno what to say, institutionalized homeowner mentality I guess, no longer aware you're severely affected.
You're getting the worst of both worlds, if anyone here in Scandinavia saw you loaf around with this setup and the way that thing was flexing, you'd have half of them about done wheezing for air (one guy I knew would have outright expired), while the other half is rushing to immobilize you and pull you away as they'd think you weren't capable of critical thinking.
You clearly figured you needed a logging trailer that badly, and in so doing you're aiming for enough production that a good used setup wouldn't have set you back nearly as much as you think.
Another thing too is I wouldn't support someone yowling about supporting 'muricans (not saying anyone are), if it turned out they were using Chinese forestry equipment. People notice when you get the N.A built stuff.
i don't think china's lack of customer service has to do with it being a "soviet style economy". poor customer service has to do with keeping costs low, aka the incentives of capitalism
Its deeper than it being only about customer service. From what I know, its a very producer focused economy, and producers also cooperate with each other in ways not seen in the west. For example, you have entire towns dedicated to producing only one small component, like maybe zippers or carburetors, so it ends up being like a producer based syndicalism. But I would like to go there and learn more, particularly to the Shenzhen area.
Interestingly, you also see the producer-focus on Mexico, but most of the Mexican economy is informal and made up of small farmers, factories, and family businesses, so the producer focus is pretty beneficial in that instance because everyone is also a producer... But there is still no customer service, so it is a tradeoff.
@@thetimberlandinvestor interesting! it makes sense they would be producer focused since all the factories need each other. i guess my criticism was that china's economy resembles the US system more than it resembles the soviet system, in my opinion. china is basically state sanctioned capitalism. sorry for bringing this to your channel, though you do talk a lot about markets and the forest economy.
regardless, i've enjoyed learning from your videos. i bought some woodland in 2021 and there's not a ton of good information out there, you really have to dig for it and cobble together pieces of knowledge if you want to be an informed landowner. but your channel synthesizes a lot of info that's buried / inaccessible, and explains it in a good way. thanks!
Blah blah blah..Geez
This video was horrible you didn't even try and pick up a actual log. Thanks for wasting my morning
I deeply regret that I ruined your morning. I hope tomorrow is better.
The title of the video said that he bought a Chinese logging trailer, it did not say that he was doing a video showing the trailer being loaded with logs.
I think the shipping crate is sturdier than that peewee trailer. I guess if your only picking up 8-12in logs it might be viable but i hope your a decent welder. $3500 for shipping is outrageous. You probably could of paid a coyote south of the border half that to smuggle it over w/ his latest load of human cargo. I would definitely beef that chincy tongue up and add some outriggers. Best regards