Why Was George Disqualified at Spa? | 2024 Belgian GP F1 Akkodis Race Debrief
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- Looking back at a bittersweet afternoon for the team at the 2024 Belgian Grand Prix, discussing George's disqualification and the decision to stop Lewis twice.
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So, if I’m understanding correctly George made a decision to take a gamble, he won, and many praised him for making that call. But in reality it was the wrong call because it ended with him being underweight and actually losing the race.
yeah he made a risky gamble and payed for it. didnt really deserve to win that race anyway
In this whole 7 minute clip. Lewis never got acknowledged for his weekend efforts? 😢.. This was the 1st time in 3 years where Lewis controlled the race.
This. First time really after brazil 22 where merc controlled a race on merit and were within a strat windows optimal for victory,not a single mention of that achievement or acknowledging lewis’s effort to control the race from lights to flag.. it’s becoming gleaming like clear. Just seems like they forgot the last 3years and just act like they’ve been winning all these races all along and it was a silly mistake that ‘took away George’s win’?
Lewis was being told to lift and coast throughout the race. At about lap 25-29 GR garage knew he was thinking the 1-stop, Bono didn’t tell Lewis this. Earlier comms mean Lewis would’ve picked up the pace and pass with more laps to spare. George was cruising and saving tire so he had enough to hold off Lewis for 3 laps but not enough to be legal.
Excellent assessment
I love Karma.
He had several laps to overtake George, who was on 30 lap old tyres and HE COULDN'T EVEN MAKE AN ATTEMPT. move on.....
@@tigerrx7 Well said, plus other cars were likely more disadvantaged than it appeared given they had to have one litre of fuel weight for a sample, so they'd really be 798+ one litre of fuel at minimum, plus margin.
George did too but I think would have been taken from his 2.8 litres of fuel he was over. May be wrong but it was his dry weight that was 796.5kg.
I think people may underestimate thinking about just x lap time per lap gain per kg, if George can push flat out and needs no lift and coast that's a lot more free lap time, plus carrying less weight burns less fuel anyway.
It's funny on how people think sabotage or whatever between 2 of them. I always look into the incident to avoid perspective bias swapping 2 driver situation.
If Lewis & George position swapped for this race, it would result: all media would brag about the lewis deserved the win and blame the team instead as headline. You know the rest, it would be totally different with current situation perceived.
They started almost same weight mentioned here (i trust debrief info more than speculate flyer), maybe those lift and coast brought lewis car back above weight limit, the team helped him out of DQ this time?
All i saw from the race was the team was willing to sacrifice a race win in order for George to finish ahead of Lewis.
You have a driver in P2 with much fresher tyres, lapping a significant better timing but decides to use the driver in P1 on a 30+ laps stint to hold up the teammate behind whom have been controlling the whole race with Oscar behind in P3 catching up.
George finishing ahead of Lewis was the priority and not securing the win.
Damn shame on Mercedes. F Mercedes
We all know it.
@@user-tf8qf3kb5e No you don’t. That’s absolute delusional nonsense.
no one can deny now that they favor russell and don't want lewis to win, it's very obvious they even contradict themselves, last year they said "it would be unfair to make different strategies and russell would be fuming if they did" but they seemed to be ok now since lewis is the oneleading, the funny thing is russell would be angry if they did this to him, toto saying tyre whisperer seemed to me they want to let people know that they don't need lewis since he's known for managing his tyres as many other things he's great at it's like a massage that ferrari can take lewis we don't need him, and they clearly don't want him to win too and i'm sure we will see more of that in the second half no wonder lewis is leaving this team
You said it well, they cannot explain that. If Russell staying out was for track position, then he should be told to let Hamilton through when he caught up. They wanted to create the narrative that Russell defeated Hamilton using worn out Tyres. They craved for a PR damage on Hamilton.
So the team took Lewis’s tire wear data and applied it to win the race for Russell, while disallowing a one stop for car 44?
A PR masterpiece from Mercedes, this video debrief. A lot of words without actually answering anything meaningful. Of course, volunteering this information is exactly that - voluntary - but don't dress it up as the answers to the questions we've been waiting for.
You could have cleared up the mixed reports on why the car was presented for weighing with still too much fuel in
What is the truth behind reports Lewis had asked in the pre-race discussion about 'considering' the one stop only to be told emphatically it was a no-go and to then see his team mate who was absolutely nowhere be switched to this to gain track position on him
Why Toto Wolff's expression immediately after securing a 1-2 was anything but the face of a man who had just achieved such a result
Why - despite all the tyre talk - did other one stoppers pass the weight legality rule but your car didn't
And why the option of switching the 'hugely worn' tyres with an FIA approved set wasn't bothered with as the car was still going to be underweight, therefore making all this 'excessive wear from long stint' chat a red herring.
2:52 "It was a decision taken by the strategy team..." The very same strategy team who over the last decade (difficult metric for some of you people to measure up to I know) have been very open and public about the complexity of their strategy formula, the various simulations they use to extrapolate real-time data into race results, and finally viewing strategy as objectively as they can. Shov goes on to mention that had they stopped George at the same time they'd stopped Lewis (which was only to cover Ferrari), he'd likely have finished 5th or 6th. Another commenter on this video points out that the strategy team had the 1-2 finish in mind (as they should) and by running this particular strategy on this particular day on a hot circuit where Merc hasn't been strong - Both drivers ended up getting the job done, but one came in underweight for reasons well above either of us.
Same thing happened to Vettel and we have every reason to assume he'd be on the receiving end of some sketchy orders or strategy to benefit Daddy's Boy but it simply wasn't the case, the car just burned too much gas.
Having two competent drivers delivering good results regularly is a blessing, Red Bull can't say the same thing. You lot are the reason the factory needs to call the cops, calm down.
@@thegrotto5540 ‘the car just burn too much gas’ 😂 car was weighed dry. You the one should calm down from defending this team. You’re not being paid. They have their own lawyers to do that 😂
Dodgy from Merc.
George did his fastest lap on the last lap. Definitely, he an the team knew his tyre life was good.
Meanwhile, Lewis was being told to lift and coast to defend against Leclerc/Piastri. I think they already subjected Lewis to finish second.
This was Lewis race win all day.
A career in politics awaits Shov. Lots of words but no answers. The cars may well have weighed the same at the start of the race, but there are so many questions. I would place a small wager that in all the specification changes and the GR crews inability to pump out the tank, the base weight of the car was lost. You didnt answer why the pitwall took so long to inforn Lewis that Russell had changed the team strategy? Telling the car in first to lift and coast, save tyre, keep Charles out of DRS but no more and we'll be fighting Piastri at the end and neglecting to inform Lewis of the team strategy change was not cricket. No wonder Toto was skulking about in the garage at the end.
The scrutineers stopped draining because the car was way more than 1.5 kg underweight. They dialed up George engine mode as well that’s why when Lewis caught that boy George he couldn’t pass. So much lighter car and more power. The only intention Mercedes had was to benefit George and nothing else.
In the end God Almighty struck Toto and bed buddy George with pure KARMA for a DQ. To your face from all F1 fans and those who had fu’kery, that’s what you get Toto for consistently trying to undermine Lewis because you and your fake team show the world you can care less about him.
I know the car has a lot of technology and sensors, but does the car tell you it’s underweight while it’s still on the track? I feel as though they were aware before George even crossed the finish line.
If you would watch F1 for longer u would know that normally drivers would pick up rubber in the inlap which is only done to get more weight on the car. That lap isn’t done in Spa. 1 fresh set of tyres is about 45 kilos and a lot of that gets lost when driving. There you can have in the end 5-10kilos difference
@@Infiltator2so what does this explain to the fans? If spa is exclusive to cool down laps why do the one stop that turns out to be worst decision taken. Are we supposed to do the engineers work? They ran an illegal car. Period.
@@angelscakes4678 They didnt know it was illegal. They got disqualified for it, so what was the problem?
In Hungary, Russell can't do a good laps in his first two attempts, because the rain, while Hamilton performed the best time, and when Russell tried his third one, he gets fuel empty, and was out in Q1. So in SPA happened again, Russell gone fuel lighter....It's really suspicious and I think this is the reason why Russell always is ahead of Hamilton by 0.2 seconds every qualy, however in te race Lewis is better, and mainly if rain comes. 🤔🤔🤔
Ahhh you see it too I suspect fuel as ballast for Russell in qualifying. I think they do 1st stint with lowest fuel because 2nd stint you have to add the fuel to go into parc ferme and so it has to look equal to Lewis.
Agree. It's all coming out now....they're deliberately giving George a lighter car to make it seem he's the quicker driver
Russell did a 1 stop and 34 laps on the Hard compound - DQ 🤔
Stroll did a 1 stop and 32 laps on the Hard compound - Good 🏁
Alonso did a 1 stop and 31 laps on the Hard compound - Good 🏁
Tsunoda did a 1 stop and 29 laps on the Hard compound - Good 🏁
I think they messed up with the weight calculations when they swapped the floor after Friday practice.
Those two extra laps for George really ate up 1.5 Kg of tires lol
@@Shiffteemakes no sense right?😂
bearing in mind stroll was stuck behind a DRS train🤣🤣🤣
Stroll did 32 laps on his tyres but still come in on weight, I don’t believe they still don’t know what made them underweight when every else knows they didn’t ballast the car correctly. It’s clear Russell is the number 1 Merc driver and they will give him any advantage (illegal or legal) they can.
Plank?
@@andrewstorm8240There’s no way he shaved that much off the plank and the FIA didn’t mention it.
Plus they tried to be sneaky and not emptying out the whole fuel that was left. First time it’s happened after a race
Summary: I don't know why the car was underweight
And then go onto make lengthy videos about it, sandwiched by cliche questions and answers.
And didn’t address the elephant in the room which is the mystery of Lewis suddenly not having the pace to overtake Russell despite having caught up to him at almost a second per lap quicker…
@@kreelanchetty2194 basically 🤦🏽♂️ 😂
@@Texasracingfan713 shocking lol
@@Shifftee that will purely be dirty air, I’m a lewis fan, but dirty air is horrible at spa. It’s the same reason Norris couldn’t get past Max on fresher tyres
Why we praising george? No talk about how great lewis drove. He won it was his race, I also glad he's leaving this team that favour's 1 driver!
I guess George should stick with the team plan instead of going rouge because he is so desperate to beat Lewis….
Lewis didn’t opt to not take the one stop, he asked about and the team only allowed George to? lol this episode is avoiding all real questions
Actually if you watch the video and understand racing, you will know why they pitted Lewis early.
@@Mik4ael I get the strategy to cover Leclerc. I don't get the ending of the race tho.
Why risk second place to Piastri in the last laps just so that George gets the win? Is it not the same 1-2 for the team if the driver that drives faster (and, in this case, gain positions from Ferarri and RedBull) moves first to secure the first place and keeps the slower driver (Rus) in DRS zone to secure 2nd place as well?
@@Mik4ael Its fine to shadow Chrales. However no strategy call should be able to catapult a driver running 5th to jump his teammate who was in 1st and was going to win the race. Until Karma prevailed, Lewis was gonna be screwed over cos he was leaving the team. If he wasn't leaving they would have told George to let him through because they are on different strategies, and George did nothing to deserve the race win until the dodgy strategy call
@@florinas9103It's racing.
@@florinas9103 They knew Piastri won't be able to pass Lewis just like they suspected Lewis wont be able to pass George. They had already seen how Max was unable to pass George earlier in the race because of the short DRS zone on the track.
I knew this debrief was going to be all lies but I wanted to give it a shot!!! He’s talking about George car loosing weight more than Lewis car?? What kind of shat is that?
Do you not realize that different drivers doing different tyre strategies will affect the cars in different ways? Older tyres with worse grip means even faster tyre wear (aka. weight loss). He also mentioned higher plank wear. That can come from many different sources, but assuming the setup is identical, it's likely due to the worn tires too.
I doubt they're retelling the entire report they've likely written up, but I also doubt Shov's lying here. The most likely explanation is that the weight margins were planned for a two stop, they never expected to do a one stop, then ensed up being under weight due to the one stop. Something we see from the fact that the car that did the two stop was over the weight limit. It would be really weird to only cheat on George's side. An honest mistake is a far more likely explanation
After Charles stopped. Lewis was banging in low 147’s. They didn’t need to cover off Charles. Hamilton wouldn’t have been so shell shocked after the race if he didn’t have the pace. He was confused and angry because y’all stitched him up
Agreed. Although the irony is that pitstop likely saved him from DSQ lol
@@SmOgER10 True lol
Agreed, It was a stitch up but thankfully, it backfired.
@@SmOgER10 what do you mean? like he would be on a one stopper
Ah the wonderful hindsight analysis to save the day.
Didn't even speak about Lewis's performance this race despite George having the superior strategy and the team not letting Lewis know until about lap 40, it is quite clear they are focusing on George moving forward after Lewis got his 1 silverstone win
Superior strategy?! That's why only 4 cars of the 20 were on it?....
They screwed George over in the Hungary qualifying and cost him massive points in Spa and Silverstone, and you have the nerve to say they are focusing on him at Lewis' detriment?
They are sad because a driver dumped them. Get in there Ferrari!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@7BD273 Hungary qualy was not only Merc's fault, George was partially to blame for it. He was supposed to do a fast ,slow , fast , lap in the first part of q1 , which Lewis did. But yh, he has been unlucky.
@@7BD273 George's first lap was not good , he was even behind perez . He would have never been in that situation , if he qualified higher on both the runs .
Mercedes hates Lewis' prowess and guts. Now that he's set for Ferrari next year, they're not hiding it anymore
Karma is a real thing remember Mercedes 😅...you were trying to degrade Lewis but it bounces back you 😅
However Mercedes try to twist this it was not fair and all fans can see this (aside of Lewis’ haters) They trying to present this as brilliant call on the fly from George but conveniently not telling Lewis what’s going on in order for him to readjust his approach. And it backfired spectacularly. Not good. Not good at all.
This a saving face exercise for GR as he is staying. All the media reaction has been this way.
God can you imagine the reaction is LH was the one who got dq'd 😅 this is really pathetic to see in all honesty and they may have just lost the last bit of trust LH had in the team
Zero acknowledgment of Lewis winning the race 😂😂😂
These guys are just covering for Russell. They did Lewis wrong, and this guy is covering again for George
He didn’t mention how the team strategist tries screwing with Lewis’s win. Russel deserved to lose
You didn't inform Lewis of the George's one stop and that he may be his competitor. If Lewis had this information knowing the tyres would go full speed due to low deg, he would have drove flat out , probably catching Goerge with many more laps to go, giving him a fair chance of passing and taking the win.
Lewis only won because he drove an immaculate race, no mention of this. He was unparalleled in the race for speed, application and discipline.
Not nice at all not informing the 8 times world champion Sir Lewis.
A lighter car gives the driver an edge in terms of speed. The FIA weighed Russell and Lewis' cars with and without tires and fuel, and Russell's was illegally light.
How close was Lewis' car to the 798kg minimum weight?
@@TommoOnTH-cam That’s a fair/interesting point.
Probably on 798
1kg over the limit from what I've read.
799.5 /s
@@TommoOnTH-cam hi Tommo! I’m subbed
It’s clear from the tone the team is only geared for a George win. Lewis won fair and square, he wasn’t informed of the strategy at any stage. Karma 44
Well...if he was and chose for a one-stopper...
it was bad strategy call that you were willing to loose the win but not ask geroge to let lewis by since oscar was so close
Was a perfect stategy call. They crossed the line 1 and 2.
@@inviz88 they did not its P! and DNQ
@@inviz88 it could have cost them both the race win doing that. A responsible team would tell George to step aside
The thing is: to make that 1 stop strategy work, George would have to carry more weight from the beginning (what others drivers did) and that would have changed his whole race, including tyre deg and wear. It makes no sense to say he didn't gain advantage because he did, specially to those that carried more weight to make that same strategy work.
it's 1kg you melon. It's nothing, like Shov said.
Yeah, if 1.5KG didn’t make any difference, as they say, then why didn’t they put some extra ballast of the similar mass in the car just for precaution?
That story doesn’t add up
@@Shifftee They add ballast because there is a minimun weight limit.
Seems to me yet again George trying to be under hand to try best Lewis . Shame Mercedes are not backing Lewis due to him leaving , I can’t wait to be a Ferrari fan next year , very disappointed in what Mercedes have become .
There's no need to look at the data Shov! The one stop strategy was discounted in the am strategy meeting presumably because of weight fears. Lewis's side of the garage were on top of the weight issue, because he was even told to "lift and coast" at the start, due to underfuelling. George needs to get the "Me, Me, Me" out of his head, if he wants to be a Team Leader! His arrogant attitude and the Teams pathetic failure to rein him in cost the Team valuable Championship points! George then fails to hold his hands up and accept responsibility! In fact he's proud of "crossing the line first"! Yes, in an illegal car on a strategy that failed! Not something to be proud of!🤨
Spot on! It's always "me, me, me" for George and the team goes with it even if it meant Piastri finished the race breathing down Lewis's neck. Unnecessary risk for the team to lose second place so that George can get the win!
Exactly! He always has this beat LH at all cost. With Kimi coming he may find himself in Lando/Oscar or Ver/Ric situation.
The cars are weighed without fuel so your just spewing nonsense about Lewis’s garage being on top of the weight issue by him lifting and coasting
@@fenncurran5418 Lift and coast will help plank wear and rubber loss under braking.
@@LordVader1887 yeah but saving tires to make them last double as long as everyone else also does that?
Not a single mention about Lewis' drive. This is the true mercedes
Karma, let the driver that has performed better all weekend win not a driver you gave an unfair advantage. Let the driver win on merit not one less pit stops. And for your info George is not the tyre whisperer, Hamilton is and I'm not even a Hamilton fan.
Same. No disrespect to Stroll, but if he does practically the same long stint as you, you’re not the tire whisperer lol
Disappointed with comments that weight didn't make difference because that 1.6kg would mean 2.5s advantage
They best part is he was likely around 2.5kg lighter than everyone else due to the margin they build in
Shovlin explained already that the cars weighed the same at the start of the race, so no advantage for George over Lewis. The reason George was DSQed and not Lewis is Lewis had newer tires and George had badly worn tires. Lewis would have been DSQed also if not for his 2 stop. He was apparently 0.5kg over minimum limit, which is nothing. So really the reason George was DSQed was Mercedes screwed up. They ran their cars way too close to the minimum weight limit, and didn't overrule George when he insisted on a 1 stop. Multiple other cars ran a 1 stop and were over the minimum limit.
You wanted to screw Lewis but your poster boy George got screwed instead.
It’s called KARMA. Mercedes truly f’d up with the world on this fakery. They lie lie lie and look absolutely foolish to dis Lewis when he is the reason why they became successful.
Makes me believe they were responsible for Abu Dhabi 21 because this German team did not want a Brit to have the record.
that was incredibly satisfying 😂
Great work on the car development and the 1-2.
While I’ve no doubt that it was not intentional, wear data was taken from Lewis’ car so it would have been fair to warn Lewis and give him the chance/choice to cover George.
Finally a sensible comment 😂😂😂
@@aravindhdeivag111facts 😂
I can't be disappointed for Russell. Once again because he can't beat Lewis through normal means he devised a crafty strategy to get ahead, and the team didn't inform Lewis about it. It's also baffling that he was allowed to stay ahead and hold Lewis up after he had earned the win and was being chased by a faster McLaren.
Reminds me of the Dutch GP in 2022 when you allowed him to pit for fresh tyres and hung Lewis out to dry. There needs to be fairness.
He does this in so many races, Hungary included where he just stays out and hopes for a SC to get a free stop to finish ahead of Lewis, even if it means he loses a place to another competitor (Perez for example in Hungary). Japan last year springs to mind, Miami 2022, there are many more...
mercedes have been sabotaging lewis ever since russell joined
Merc seems to want a win for George at all costs. They allowed Piastri to close a 5 sec gap. Idiots.
Lewis proposed a one-stop strategy, but his team refused. They hoped George would prevail. Unfortunately, Mercedes will go to great lengths to undo Lewis.😮😮
Why did he even mention George losing weight when the car is weighed without the driver 🤷🏻♂️
@@chaycowdry7654 The car and drivers weight are added together to make the minimum weight
@@asher3888 nope, the 798kg minimum weight is the car without fuel or driver.
crazy how there's almost no mention of the actual race winner...KARMA
What a lot of nonsense to say that 1.5 kilos provides virtually no benefit. If that is really the case, paint the car Shovin, or do those grams/kilos suddenly count for performance?
Exactly. He's gaslighting us.
Yep, also They build in margin. Russell was more like 2.5kg -3kg lighter than everyone else
yeah there is a reason weight is such a big deal in motorsport
Back in the 2019 Japanese GP a two stop Bottas was catching on a then 1 stop Lewis with Vettel on 3rd and inside Lewis's pit window. Lewis wanted to one stop to hold the lead but Bottas anticipated it and ask the team what TF was going on with Lewis ahead. Mercedes did the right thing and called Lewis to the pits to then fall third behind Vettel but honouring Valtteri's good race. Not the same Mercedes at Spa.
Not a mention of Lewis’ incredible start, or his ability to keep the rubber on his tyres! No, just a stupid remark from Toto to George about him being the tyre whisperer 🤬
Why was Lewis not told of George’s one stop strategy, and why was Lewis told to give space and not George. When we all know it’s not Lewis who causes accidents. I’m still pretty angry about these incidents. It’s not surprising Lewis didn’t reply to Bono post race 😳
@@lilyjones8145 Hardly the type whisperer at 34 laps on hards when lewis has done things like 40 laps on mediums and setting fastest laps. This team, the team I’ve loved for so many years, the disrespect for our champion who took this team to the top. I won’t be supporting any longer and going to Ferrari with Lewis. Pitiful behaviour from this team. They’re like an angry ex who’s so bitter when you decide to leave.
Yeah, as if Qatar and Suzuka weren't down to Hamilton's bad wheel to wheel racing Lol!!!
You guys are going to enjoy Ferrari, where Leclerc won't act like Bottas either
Thank God my support for Merc expires in 10 races' time. How do one say "Hammertime!!" in Italian?😁
@@VitinhaAngelo87 my thoughts exactly, I go where Lewis goes anyway, but would have still supported Mercedes if they had treated him differently.
@@7BD273 buddy you everywhere under this video hyping russell and talking down on lewis, we know you hate him, even the team now doesn't want him to win and they're favoring george but you'll keep denying get a life basement dweller
First three cars to finish the race were Mercedes powered! Congrats to all the people in Brixworth doing a great job.
Merc cannot take credit for Mclaren's aero package
@@flyaway6671 ... Hence why he said Brixworth, not Brackley...
@@bosshunterman I meant Mclaren's aero is why they are so good. Engines don't contribute much these days, they could easily have an RB or Ferrari in it and still perform.
@@flyaway6671 Fair enough, although they aren't quiet spec engines just yet, some PUs definitely perform marginally better in certian conditions, they still matter a bit.
@@bosshunterman You'll give credit for reliability generally but every engine has been good this year in that regard.
Merc will have their engine name attached to Mclaren so it's good for business if they win but it would be crass to steal some of the glory.
All I'm gonna say is, the legal car won the race.
You should have let Lewis past and made sure George saved the tires and picked up rubber.... Instead yall wanted George to win the race on a bs one stop over Lewis who had been leading the whole race. Thats Karma
Mercedes is a dirty sycophant team! Clearly it’s obvious that Mercedes manipulated the strategies to benefit George to undercut his teammate. I have zero respect for this team. There is no way for Lewis not to win unless they held him up by using Lewis strategies against him. They told Lewis to lift and coast. They made him pit when Leclerc was not a threat during the race according to Bono and Toto, but on this podcast shov blatantly lies about it. In the end they turned up George’s engine mode praying Lewis wouldn’t catch him all while boy George was underweight. We heard Lewis comm radio and his request to stay on the good hard tyres. He did not want to pit. Not once did the team communicate with Lewis on their strategy to put George ahead by telling Lewis to slow down.
Something stinks and we all know what we heard and saw during the race.
Mercedes has strictly been using Lewis for his talent and GOAT knowledge to benefit their weaksuck fake boy George. I have zero respect for this team as they burned all the bridges.
THATS WHY LEWIS IS DITCHING YOU FAKES FOR FERRARI
And the most atrocious part is that they acting as if Lewis betrayed them. No, it’s YOU that gave him a 1+1 contract instead of a 3-year one which he was insisting on while you were still an almost midfield team with slow progress.
They just mad that Lewis outsmarted them and secured himself a decent future instead of ending up in a situation similar to Carlos
Imagine if Russell became a real team player and went for the pitstop at Belgium GP, Mercedes would have had more points, since the team seems to blame the loss of rubber rather than Russell's car already had less weight before the race even start as the reason for his DQ.
Come on merc, why did you put Lewis behind Russell???
Serves you right!
*Bunch of liars in this team!!! Disgusting! Awesome race from GR? He was disqualified, meaning they got caught cheating! Give me a break on this one!! I mean, how dumb do they think we are?*
With all due respect, George only finished P1 because he had a 19 sec pit advantage. Not because he drove a strong race. That bragging right belongs to Lewis.
@@amanintrade Which is the trade off of doing a one stop... But you need to keep the pace at a level so those 19 sec doesn't get eaten to soon, as well as keep your tires alive. Which is why it was a strong race.
@@rickardboberg Lewis was not informed on time about the decision in other garage. Lewis was cruising to maintain the 2sec gap. He said so on the radio.
Despite all this, he managed to come within half-sec 2 laps to go. There should have been team orders. But karma is a biatch.
@@amanintradekeep up the yapping mr cult LH 🎉.
@@amanintradelet them keep explaining, they will get tired explaining.
@@rickardbobergIf your car is illegally light then ur tyre deg is less than other cars. Means it's harder for other cars to close the gap than it would if Georges car was legal. Furthermore, due to the less weight and less tyre deg George was able to pull away by 0.2 sec after the 1st corner which made it impossible for Lewis to attack George into turn 5. So Disqualifying George was the only right thing.
The questions are very weak and not addressing fans issues. Why didn't they issue team orders to cover Oscar. Lewis was faster but they let George slow him down,
and here i though Lewis is a 7 time world champion and he needs team orders to get by a young kid on old hards?
Here is what I think really happened, since Shovlin doesn't outright say it. This is not a Lewis vs George thing, but a calculated risk by the team which didn't pan out.
The issue is they ran both cars at the edge of the minimum weight limit. Both cars started at the same weight, so there was no advantage to either driver. By the end of the race George was underweight with badly worn tires, and Hamilton just barely over at by 0.5kg on much newer tires. Multiple other teams/drivers ran one stop strategies and were over the limit.
Look at Toto's expression at the end of the race. They knew they blew it and George would probably be disqualified. So the real question is, why did they not overrule George wanting to one stop to avoid him being disqualified? Probably they figured it was worth the risk, as he would have finished P6 otherwise. If it pays off, it's a 1-2 finish. If it fails, the point loss wouldn't be massive. Lewis was going to win, or finish second in a 1-2 finish for the team. They played it more conservative with him to ensure at least one of the drivers gets max points for the team.
This is not the first time the team has been disqualified for flying too close to sun (Lewis Brazil for plank). Seems they haven't fully learned their lesson yet. George probably feels robbed and Lewis probably lost a bit of trust with the team.
Both cars were not at the minimum weight limit. George's car was found to be 1.5 KG's lighter after dry weighing the car.
Let us unpack the facts a little.
-Mercedes gave the scrutineer's George's car with 2.8 liters of fuel after draining the mandatory 1 liter required to be used for a sample.
-The scrutineer's found that the car was exactly at 798 KG's, or the minimum weight requirement, even with 2.8 liters of fuel still being in the fuel cell.
-They proceeded to completely drain the fuel cell where it was discovered to have a dry weight of 796.5 KG's, making it lighter by 1.5 KG's than the legality of technical directive 4.1 Minimum Mass under *"MASS"* pp 45.
It states *_"The mass of the car, without fuel, must not be less than 798kg at all times during the Competition. If, when required for checking, a car is not already fitted with dry-weather tires, its mass will be determined using a set of dry-weather tires selected by the FIA technical delegate."_*
-When Mercedes started the race, George's car had more fuel, an extra 2.5KG's worth of fuel to make it *"equal weight"* with Lewis', which was weighed at a dry weight of 799 KG's after the race.
-According to the technical directive concerning the mass of the car, the FIA placed brand new tires on both George's and Lewi's cars to establish a baseline then subtract the difference when weighed with the worn tires they used during the race.
-George was not told at any point during the race to _"manage his tires"_ or _"to lift and coast"_ as they were telling Lewis to do. So for Shov to say there was _"no advantage"_ that George had over Lewis is a blatant lie.
-Mercedes is gaslighting us and insulting our intelligence.
That statement you made about _"by the end of the race George was underweight with badly worn tires, and Hamilton just barely over at by 0.5kg on much newer tires"_ was inaccurate because Lewis' car was weighed and was at a dry weight of 799 KG's.
Conclusion: Mercedes knew full well *before* the start of the race the George's car was underweight. They are gaslighting their fanbase, colluding with George to undermine Lewis and insulting our intelligence to think that we would not notice the discrepancies in their rhetoric and their behavior; it does not run parallel.
I'm convinced that team Mercedes keeps sabotaging Lewis because he's leaving next season. George will have all the attention and priorities next year but they're already putting him before Lewis even when the season isn't over yet 😒
And they lied by preaching they were going to get Lewis a championship. End of a good note. What they are doing is disrespectful and sycophant. They will fail without Lewis and I can’t wait until he leaves so I can cancel this shtty Mercedes channel. Watch how much they lose end of this season. Bet on your antonelli flop Toto because you missed out on spoonstappen you egotistical evil fool. Dwell in the past rent free Toto.
I can't begin to imagine how you would feel if Lewis had suffered a water pump failure in one race, was underfuelled for qualifying on a drying track the next race and have an underweight car and end up getting disqualified the week after.
@Dam_Noir he wasn't under fueled in quali lmao. They fueled him for 2 flying laps and he did 3 in a row like a clown
@@andrewmelton2686 drivers always push on every lap on a drying track so that's an error on the teams part. Or they could've sent him out when the rest of the cars emerged from the pits following the red flag interval when the track conditions had deteriorated, instead of him being the only car on track with the exception of Bottas and Zhou.
@@Dam_Noir no they don't they still do cooldown laps to charge their battery
Strategy won the race at Spa and it was unfortunate that Lewis who did all the hard work had to succumb to 2nd at the end. The right thing to do was swap the positions like what the McLarens did but then again these guys are ruthless racers and will take a win by hook or by crook. However Mercedes being a world championship team, should have forecasted the tyre wear loss and weight loss of the car as they claim and for Merc to leave fuel in the car which made the vehicle comply seems a bit fishy, hence it was drained. George should have played the team game but racing with an illegal car where a milligram makes a big difference, I’m glad Karma won at the end. Anyway The right man won on the day. Seems like Merc is forcing the golden boy to win at all costs. There were many racers on the 1 stop but they didn’t have the gains that Russell had, who knows maybe his car was lighter from the beginning which gave him a tyre wear advantage
So at the end of the race George's car was on the minimum legal weight level.
They took a litre of fuel which put it under weight.
The odd thing is they didn't empty the car of fuel to see how under weight it was..?
Did I just hear Shov say 1 or 2kg doesn't make that much of a difference? Then paint the whole car Shov, why lie and try to pretend 2kg isn't a big deal. It's called Karma for screwing Lewis.
It's not that deep and he never said that.
Absolute insanity to claim “karma” for George/George’s side of the garage for having a genius strategy.
@@Mik4aelCultLH (who aren’t the majority of Lewis’s fans) are seemingly obsessed over what happened. As they know deep down George won that race on merit.
@@gameofender4463 not really a genius strategy they just had nothing to lose because George was running in the midfield
Stop whining
I don't buy it at all, if the car randomly lost 1.5 kg during the race, why did Toto look so sour at the finish line instead of celebrating the 1-2? Why doesn't it happen to more teams more often? They definitely messed something up and just don't want to say what.
Because he anticipated the whining of people.
@@Mik4ael Or because they're trying to do something that, if they did right, would give them a competitive advantage.
@@jerrykreutzer4326 The cars are weighed after qualifying also so Georges car was legal, like he said maybe because of tyre or plank wear.
They just messed up their calculation, not on purpose ofc , mistake happens especially since they had no data while running with Silverstone spec.
Exactly! If everything happened the way they said it did, such things would’ve been happening way more often among the teams. However, the last time a DQ happened over a weight limit was 11 years ago (Paul Di Resta at the British GP ‘13).
Why was fuel left in the car when you know it's a dry weigh-in? 🤔
Ask the FIA, they are the ones that left fuel in there. My guess is they only need 1L, drained a bit extra when it turned out there was more fuel in there and called it a day.
You're still required to finish the race with fuel in the car so the FIA can take a sample, FIA is responsible for draining the car after the sample fuel is taken.
@@xmtsmtsx No they're not, read the documents. "the car was not fully drained according to the draining procedure submitted by the team in their legality documents as TR Article 6.5.2 is fulfilled."
@@antonm1876 yeah, that's the FIA saying they didn't take out more than the 2.8L because they already fulfilled the 1L requiredment.
i don´t get the question, why would they need to extract more fuel when they have what they need and the car is already under the limit? like draining more fuel isn´t gonna add more weight.
Lewis was the real winner. George was on a rat strat
We hope MERC can provide more details on this matter to help us understand how the weight compliance issue caused George Russell's loss. It seems that MERC was aware of the weight issue immediately after the car entered Parc Ferme following the race. The oil was not drained as per procedure until the FIA directed the team to do so again.
In that same race, a few teams that also used a one-stop strategy appeared to meet the weight requirements, indicating that this issue is likely not just due to the tires.
According to Bernie Collin’s, a reputable race strategist and engineer, she stated they stopped draining because it was already underweight. This means that it was MORE than 1.5KG underweight. When jolyon Palmer explained this as well he said there is much more going on behind the scenes at Mercedes.
Basically. Mercedes knew they were underweight because that was their intention. They cheated and lied with trying to spoonfeed their woody weaksuck George high pitched blimey voice.
Mercedes look like blasphemous fools and I have zero respect for this team. It had been better if they admitted they were wrong for cheating and trying to screw over Lewis to benefit George. But they are just as shady as Cheatbull if not worse because we know for a fact redbull wouldn’t screw over maxi boy for checo.
Mercedes pitted Lewis twice to cover the undercut from the car running 2nd place and then he was left out there to race against George who was nowhere on his race radar and then they where willing to let Lewis get jumped by Oscar so George could win the race, Imagine giving a team so many race wins and seven titles and that is how they do you. Next year I am "grazie ragazzi"...
So my question is; if George did the 2 stop would he have been at the weight limit? Cause it seems like to me based of what he said the tires was the reason that he got disqualified.
I don’t think so. My understanding (and correct me if I’m wrong) is that they test either without the tyres or with new tyres to make sure it wasn’t the tyres that cause it.
@@gameofender4463I believe that they use the same tyres used in the race but tyre wear wouldn’t account for 1.5kg
@@Generic_Goon Completely agree. Nor would the fuel. I imagine it was an unlucky accident. But it’s now three times in a row for George.
We will never know but certainly it could have helped.
@@gameofender4463he said that they weighed both cars after qualifying and they were relatively the same weight. So I’m guessing they probably had the same amount of fuel to start the race. So the only thing I can think of is the tire wear
Sabotaging Lewis, again. And now we all know why George easily outqualifies Lewis....he's cheating with a lighter car!
No..question on eveyones lips....'Why did you not tell Lewis ,George is 1 stopping as soon as it was confirmed'
That's why Stella is the best team principal, because when you have the fastest drivers you give him the right strategy to win... That's CARMA
On the topic of the DQ and the strategy call, all I heard was double speak.
“We’re looking into it to see what caused it.”
A few seconds later…”It was the tires and the plank.”
On the strategy for Lewis… “Leclerc wasn’t in undercut range.”
A few seconds later…”Once Leclerc pitted he would have come out and undercut us.”
On LH’s vs. GR’s strategy… (I’m paraphrasing) We had to stop LH. It was a textbook call. With GR we looked at tire wear data from the previous pit stop and said, Yeah! Let's do this!
I do want to thank Shov for admitting that GR had an advantage over LH. I want to admonish him for dismissing it, though.
Also, it sounded like he admitted that GR’s engine was more powerful than LH’s as it lost fuel (weight) faster.
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Lesson learnt Shovlin. When next anyone is dumping their employer you must not give them enough notice because then they have enough time to screw you over for being a naughty boy. Understood.
Cant wait for next season, i wouldn't have to listen to Mercedes debrief anymore!
The future is Red 🏎 🏁
Not mention of Lewis' incredible start! Just a stupid remark from Toto to George about him being the tyre whisperer
No one cares. LEWIS WON 105 ! Back the goat !
its difficult to beleive they had same cars when you gave George better strategy
If Mercedes use energy to back the one unmatchable drive in Lewis they would’ve gone places! But they double down on their BS and karma gets them every time. Just so you know we would’ve appreciated transparency and yes we f’d up would at least makes it better but they are playing in our faces what a shame! Anyways forza Ferrari we go where Lewis goes
Feel like I'm being gaslighted with this whole weight doesn't equal speed stuff
Yes you are being gaslighted here. Think of it as if you are in that situation and you have to take corrective actions to finish the race without a DSQ. You can either start the race with a 1.5kg weight ballast and carry that from beginning to end to make up for the offset or you would drastically reduce your pace, lift/ coast, pickup marbles off the racing line, not defend when cars rock up on you and avoid dirty air ... in both instances you become a sitting duck for Lewis and Oscar. Plus more plank wear he mentions means the car was maybe 1mm closer to the ground because of the rubber lost in tires meaning Russell had a benefit of extra down force from ground effects to offset the fresher tires of Lewis and Oscar which again is a performance advantage. This was gaslighting 101 a total bogus simplifying as it was a gradual linear advantage gain ... BS and Shov knows better.
Why a need to soft peddle for George like that is so unnecessary but I do get he can't say you caught us cheating and George had a massive advantage. Any team would minimize said impact to save face I suppose.
He's talking BS. There was too little weight on the thing at the start of the race obviously.
Nice of you guys to talk about Lewis' exceptional performance this weekend. Shows all these "sabotage" accusations are all false. 👏
Unfortunate weekend? Lewis won!😮
You guys were cheating and got caught because you do not and have never heard of a scale😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😅
The loudest statement is the one not made....
No comment on their McClaren- like handling of the 1-2 ..... the team is in trouble!
Bigger problem is the team is leaking points in operational mistakes. It doesn't matter who's on 1st between Hamilton and George ... this team needs to see the Constructors is the valuable target they can fight for this season. Squandering points on dumb stuff is really annoying to see and then the conversation becomes the horse race between drivers ... like no Hamilton has nothing to prove and George is the one who remains so he got nothing to prove either but a Constructors is achievable.
Lewis is counting the days.
So basically you used Lewis' first set of Hard Tyres he handed back when there was plenty of life left, measured the wear and used it against him to confirm to George that the one stop was viable, wow you could say the way it turned out really was karma with Lewis taking the win in the end
It's actually very frustrating because I think even Lewis being a team guy would still prefer a P1-P2 finish using his homework to give George the assist instead of a DSQ. What's maddening is they couldn't even use that deg rate data to give proper guidance to George ... what was the point his Hard tires info was squandered and George used up too much tire life.
Just been down to B&Q to pick up some whitewash. None in stock. Apparently Mercedes bought it all.
Not a single mention of Lewis being stabbed in the back by the team 😂
Answer. We don’t know.
Nice clickbait title there Mercedes. Thanks
Strategy team shouldn't be giving lead car disadvantage and the Ferrari was never a threat.
all this waffle, welp it cost you points in the constructors
If 1 or 2kg don't matter then why aren't cars more colorful why are the F1 cars all carbon fiber I mean the 1kg of added weight by the paint shouldn't matter then???
Having a team lead driver with only 3 wins looks bad on a big team like Mercedes. Just admit that you want to favour the driver who’s staying back and avoid the embarrassment of covering up for George. There’s no shame in changing allegiances.
Is it mandatory for all Hamilton fans to missing braincells? How you come up with these conspiracies is beyond me
Way I see it is the team used fuel as ballast on George's car and went into parc ferme that way after qualifying. This may explain the George qualifying advantage over Hamilton because the second quali stint is where more fuel can be added as ballast to hide the weight difference. Lewis was managing the race with lift/ coast instructions and George was pedal to the medal because that was best for both in their stints based on where on the grid they were starting. George going in longer stint made more wear and that was a contribution factor for sure as more plank is used when more tires are lost (ride height drops a bit). Here's the part I don't get the team had data on the rate of deg on the hard from Lewis 2nd stop so why wasn't the loss of weight concerns not conveyed to George. Instructions to watch for tire life, to pick marbles that last lap, to lift and coast etc not expressed to George. You guys had the data and as Shovlin just said you knew the tire would last for 1 stop because of that data. Such a shame for the team that George's side of the pitwall chose to gamble and lose valuable constructors points because they did not mitigate the DSQ risk from Spa. They knew the team knew and instead of saving the race from DSQ by instructing him on how to manage the weight issue you squandered valuable constructors points. This was a total let down for the team, Mercedes dropped the ball on a massive points haul by squandering a P1-P2 finish ... heck even a P1-P4 finish would be a better consolation. What were you lot thinking, you're better than these dumb gamble hail-mary options that bring a DSQ ... this has totally let down the team in race to fight for constructor points ... what were you guys thinking?
Also it's obvious George had an advantage what BS are you all waffling on about. How else are you going to get over 1.5kg deficit other than adding 1.5kg at the start to offset the final weight or by slowing his drive and picking up marbles in the final moments of the race therefore compromising his pace? That is a lie to say no advantage and questions our intelligence. 1.5kg DSQ factor is an advantage George carried the whole race not just ramped up when wear began because you have to offset it to still avoid the DSQ.
Exactly this. The car was presented for scrutineering bang on the weight limit and the team had signed off confirming that the car as presented was already sans the required fuel sample - 1ltr I believe. It hadn’t, so much so that the scrutineers were able to extract more than the minimum of 1ltr - and there was still fuel in the car. So the 1.5kg below weight penalty is not actually accurate - the car weighed even less had all the fuel been drained out.
20 years ago, BAR, now AMG F1, were done for using fuel as ballast. I hope history is not repeating itself.
why would george be pedal to metal if he is saving tires
I’m been saying he was underweight from the start.
@@ravinderdasila9334 He wasn't saving his tires because they're 1.5kg lost to the track and got a DSQ. They failed the team man, Mercedes gave up valuable constructors points in a tight constructors fight shaping up. Such a shame for the team, it was a great strat but the team should have communicated how to save the weight to avoid a DSQ. They had the tire deg data from when Lewis pitted the 2nd time so they knew enough to save the weight and avoid a DSQ. They are not saying much here and are electing to hide details for optics but they let down the team in squandering the constructors points there's no doubts about that.
@@jf9601 I don't know if it is to that extent of BAR or if it was malicious but something is fishy in all of this and FIA better have their wits about them because how much exactly was lost in tires and plank. They're not giving us the details to reverse engineer what weight the cars started off as once fuel is factored out and that is super suspect to me (although I get it's a sport you might want to keep your cards hidden). My best guess they used 750gr to 1kg in fuel as ballast the remaining was the regular wear/ tear you can expect from 1 stopper. Also let's say it was all tires for the sake of assumptions ... they knew the rate of deg on the Hards so why wasn't alarm bells going off? What systems failed, where was the failure here?
My question is once the lights went out and cars went underway ... was their anything George could do to save his race from DSQ or was the eror baked in so that he was always going to get a DSQ? I don't see the team giving an emphatic nod to them being able to do something to avoid this catastrophic outcome for the team.
Merc has shown their true colors many times this year. Ready to see Lewis in red.
Oh and karma is a mf ain’t it? Happy to see it was instant this time around
Antonelli for President! I hope he will wipe the floor with Russell!
YOU GOT CAUGHT MERCEDES! Mistake really?
So you’re saying Lewis HAD to take a two stop to cover the other LEADERS. He out-qualified Russell and controlled the entire race up to his 2nd stop. I understand letting George one stop to get a higher finishing position but why didn’t you give Lewis back the position that he had EARNED. This is a very disappointing breech in trust that can really damage the team.
He can earn it on track. Why do you guys want everything to be handed to him? It's racing. George was there on merit, Lewis had the chance to overtake. He failed. End of story. It's racing.
Why are you not treating Hamilton like your number one driver? He is ahead in the points and, for the most part, out driver Russell every race. Team orders should have been given to Russell to let HAM take the lead. Carma was swift on this one team. I love you Mercedes, but you made the wrong call last Sunday.
I'm a bit confused. How many people did George overtake again?
The entire field!!! How did you miss that?? Oh hold on, I’m checking. Um yeah. Apparently just Perez…..Still. Performance of the year, no? 🤣🤣🤣
How many did Hamilton overtake? One, Leclerc.
The same amount George overtook, in Perez.
They both moved up 1-1 place in on lap 1.
@@jackieoconnor4926Degenerate
@@7BD273 No mate he overtook Perez as well. He started P3 remember?
@@7BD273 And you’ve got to bear in mind, that once you’re at the front there’s no one left to overtake. George had another 4 people he could have taken a crack at.
Bullocks! From the very start Lewis got the feel for hard tires and reported to team that tires are fine but they brought him anyway for 2nd stop. While George used 1 stopper to his advantage , the team failed to communicate that vital information to Lewis about George's stop. If Lewis race engineer wouldve told Lewis about George's 1 stop, im certain he would have also taken 1 stop. Lewis kept on saying even in cool room that his tires were fine all stints, meaning he couldve covered both Leclerc and George. Now George drove a wonderfull race but i feel team was not fair to Lewis, and its eveident from Lewis's body language and various interviews.
you see if there had been a SC near the end of the race lewis would have had old hards on and then would have to defend against drivers with better tires, my guess he would have lost first place in like one lap, possibly triggering a ptsd with him climbing out of the car and wandering into the forrest never to be seen again.
@@andreasspachmuller7002 yea but there is an 'if' lol. It never happened.
So they over looked the obvious Sir. Lewis had the pace and was winning the race. They basically tried to cheat their way to victory with George.. 🤨
And they got Karma'd
Still got your winners t-shirt on I see, but no mention of the winner🤔
The only very serious problem they have got is that, in this car, with this performance, Lewis comes alive like a demon. He will eat George alive in straight up performance. If they want him to mentally break down, they can keep on playing these games and George will retire next year. At the same time, Lewis is their biggest hope of winning team championship points so they can't screw him by messing up his car.