Thank u. I live in an apartment so I definitely can’t do in ceiling. I’ve tried up firing but it’s not great either. So I’m moving onto elevation. I won’t worry about hiding the wires
Finally! Short, to the point. Fact based, objective measurement, subjective useful opinion. Loved the interactive see-if-you-see part. This review is perfect and I very rarely say that. Please do bookshelf rear atmos speakers reviews and tests for 5.1.4 setup in the same manner. Liked & subscribed!
Honestly, your my favorite reviewer on the Tubes. Keep it up. I love the editing and honest reviews. Thank you for taking your time in your comparisons, presentations and reviews.
Great comparison man! As a person who has been researching in order to make a decision on a new home theatre, your videos have been very helpful! Great content, keep it up, I'm looking forward to what you'll be sharing with us in 2019!
Thank for your Awsome Advice on the different Atmos Speaker set ups. My Wife my not like Holes drilled in our Ceiling lol . My best bet is to place Atmos Speakers on top of my main Speakers. Thank You for your Advice and Expertise
liking your videos, they're very informative. This vid made me decide on in ceiling speakers. Do you think in wall speakers for rear surround would be as good as bookshelves on stands? I can't really hang them on the wall. Keep the vids coming!
Just subscribed to the channel and really enjoy the content that I have seen so far. I am in the middle of converting my garage into a dedicated home theater room and this video really shed some light on atmos speaker types for me. Keep up the great content on the channel. There are a lot of channels providing HT content, but very few with the professionalism as yours. Job well done. Thanks again.
I was all set to comment about on ceiling bookshelf speakers but You covered them. I have a beam right overhead with two SVS Prime Satellites mounted for a 5.2.2. Loving the videos.
I've heard in ceiling speakers typically don't have the same sounds quality as elevation speakers in a cabinet. Since you have both, I'm curious how you would compare the two. This was a great informative video! Your video looks great on TV and phone. Thanks!
Great comparison! 👍 I have the Martin Logan ICs, so I was pretty excited to see this comparison. This helped to reassure my thoughts and feelings from my own experience. It also eliminates any buyer's remorse I may have had from spending a little extra on them compared to up-firing or elevated...and also buying additional speakers, as I plan on adding two more ICs in the near future. Thanks!!!
Seek and Yeee shall find. The exact topics you went over in your video is what I've been trying to figure out for ages...Thanks for doing the heavy lifting!
I've just found this, finally, a decent comparison of the 3 Atmos speaker types. You've helped me make a decision on my Atmos speaker configuration, thanks heaps for posting this video.
Very informative!!!! Thank you. I've been considering going Atmos. Looking into 9.2 receivers if I use reflection speakers or 11.2 if I go with ceiling. Great video as I was wanting to know if reflection speakers were any good. Btw you 4k HDR vid looks amazing on the XMax.
I am actually planning to mount bookshelf speakers to my ceiling this weekend, so nice to hear that that is a thing. Hopefully going 5.2.1 will be a nice change over my current 7.1.
You do Comparisons right, normally I would have to watch several videos to get this much information. this is only the 2nd video I’m watching on this matter and I already know what route I’m going. (Elevation in case anyone was wondering) So thumbs up my man just for that I’m playing this video again and watching all ads when it reloads. If there are any ads I didn’t remember seeing any.
hi there...I'm so late joining this conversation but I hope to get some advice. I can't use in ceiling speakers for my 5.1.4 setup so I'm thinking of using 4 bookshelf speakers -2 mounted at the front up on the wall just under the ceiling and 2 at the back-my sofa is in the middle of the room. The Prime elevation would be nice because they are already angled but I wonder if just about any other speaker would work too...for best results, should these speakers be mounted aligned with the main L and R speakers at the front and in line at the back too? or should I place them in the corners? And for calibration I would call them Height or top? so many options . I have a Denon AVR-X4400. Thanks so much!
Great Video, glad I found your channel. I've been playing with in or on-ceiling ideas and testing and I think I'm going with elevation speakers after listening to some of the SVS products.
Bro, awesome video. Thank you so much as I couldn't make up my mind but now I will go with ceiling speakers. Which Pioneer Elite do you have? I am still trying to figure out my SCLX-801 and currently looking for the right speaker configuration. I would love to do a 7.2.4 but I think I can only do a 5.2.4 with mine. Any tips?
nice!! been waiting on this video, I currently have 2 Klipsch CDT-3800-Cii ceiling speakers, and 2 R-41SA wall mounted speakers. Was wondering how the Klipsch RP-500SA sound to the SVS elevation speakers? hopefully, you can get some and do a comparison.
I’m glad I was finally able to publish it. A lot of people were asking about it. Thanks for watching! I don’t know if I’ll get the chance to review the Klipsches, but I’ll be sending the SVSs back soon, so I most likely won’t be able to compare them directly
I know i am asking this a few months after you uploaded the video but i just discovered you channel and it is awesome!! I would like for you to make a video of best 4k blurays again (updated i mean). I want to ask a question, i have dali atmos speakers (elevation) . I had set them at 110hz and after i saw your video i set them at 80hz. i did not have time to watch any demos i will today, but do you think that there will be a difference at all or not, because the sounds coming from those speakers at 110hz were very few and when they came out i could not understand most of the times they were coming from the elevation speakers. Do you think i sohould set them at 60 or 70 hz? Thanks great video, great channel. PS: a video with how to calibrate samsung 4k tvs would be great
Amazing job. I have a shoirter ceiling in my basement where my second HT is at. Making holes in the ceiling or running wires up the wall aint easy. So I will make use of the upfiring speakers as its the best option I have.
Thanks for the video I made the mistake of ordering klipsch 50 watt rms dolby atmos speakers I'm returning those today lol. I have the denon x4500h which is way overpowered for those. I'm going to order the SVS Primes which have a 150 rms rating. Thanks for the help.
I am really happy you made this video. You can hear the difference of the speakers through this video. I can hear the ceiling speakers and SVS height speakers have higher frequency range. The atmos enabled bounce sounding speakers have a lower frequency range. They tend to sound a little weaker with less Bass. I would choose ceiling speakers or SVS height elevation speakers over the atmos enabled. But it is nice to hear that Atmos enabled speakers work fine as an option
Refer to AVSForum. UpFiring Atmos speakers._____ forum members posted are setting atmos speakers +6DB over the AVR Auto Eq calibration values. As well many members have great results with Atmos crossover frequency of 100 or 120 HZ. I myself as well with my Klipsch RP500SA's. Don't pass judgement on Atmos Enabled speakers until one tries 100 HZ cutoff and +6 DB over value from auto eq
Excellent video and comparison, helped me a lot in choosing. A question, what is the ideal recommendation and positioning in DOWN-FIRING ( On top of the front channels ) ?
I've yet to transition to Atmos speakers. Thank you for this video. Very informed and easy to understand. Seems like Ready Player one is the gold standard for demos now. I have a slanted ceiling and atmos doesn't cater too well for that experience. I won't spend money on upfiring ones after your review. Whatever happened to DTS X?
Wow. Thanks a lot friend . Ur video answerwed a lot of questions for me my HT room has a vaulted ceiling with cloud acoustic panels for treatment. In this space I have been struggling for a Atmos solution. Neither upfiring nor down firing works for me. So will look at svs elevation works best for me. Do u suggest the rear Atmos pair be mounted on back walls the same way as front ?
Hey! Glad I could help. I think you could mount it either way, depending on the layout of your room. Just make sure in whichever case the speakers are pointing towards the listening position
@@ThaVillaMan word, I bought SONY SSCSE, enabled speakers, can I put them directly ontop of the sofa, pointing downwards? (I want to use then as, IN CEILING, speakers for dolby atmos) I already bought them on black friday as a deal and I'm not trying to buy other speakers
You have shown the svs prime elevation only as height speaker. But they can also be placed in the ceiling. Can you make a review with preme evevation sound quality and atmos effect comparing to klipsch rp500 sa ii?
Well done have you try installing the elevations on the ceiling? That’s what I like about the elevations they are so versatile since I got them I been playing around with them. I been using them as upfireing, on the ceiling, high front on high on the side.
Great video. I have a question about the Klipsch R-625FA and the pioneer Elite SP-EFS73 upfiring speakers. I have now the LG C9 hooked up to the Onkyo TX-NR696 Receiver and it is nice. I just need speakers and speakers for dolby atmos. Now Im struggling between which one to pick for that dolby atmos experience. Either the Klipsch or the Pioneer up firing. Now that I saw your video I'm thinking of getting the Klipsch RP-140SA elevation speakers and tower Klipsch speakers. thanks in advance for any information.
Villaman i just bought a Denon 3700 with 5.1 Polk Signature Series. Regarding Dolby Atmos i was thinking about 4x Elacs A4.2 Dolby Enabled Speakers because my ceiling is concrete and i cant use in ceiling. What do you think about them?
A question Villaman, I just bought a 65 inch LG with Dolby Vision, Is it true that it only runs through a 48gbit 2.1 HDMI, because I want to buy a Marantz SR5013 Reciever that lets dolby vision passthrough , but is a reciever passthrough HDMI connection also 2.1 , or does it downscales to 2.0b 18 gbit or something, I can never really find in the specs, or has a Dolby Vision passthrough receiver per definition a 2.1 HDMI output ? I have a Minix SJ22 Mediacenter with Dolby Vision/Atmos HDMI 2.1 output , but is it wise to let it passthrough the receiver for the video signal ? And regarding to Dolby Atmos, do I have to buy a specific speaker for the ceiling, frequency wise, or can I buy two passive ceiling surround speakers ?, so not build in but attached to the ceiling. Your video's are great to watch, thanx for the info and the clarity , keep up the good work.
Thank you for the video. Great comparison! Is there much of a difference in real life between in ceiling and on wall elevation? It would be awesome if you could get your hands on the Klipsch RP-500SA and compare them.
Thanks for watching! I really don’t think there is any significant difference between the two if your front stage is close enough. If it was much farther away from the seating position I could see the effect not being as good though. But that’s just my suspicion
Firstly that should be placed above the LR if you’re mounting them in on your front walls. And when doing that, the speaker should maintain a 30-45deg angle to the MLP. If the wall is too close, the angle might be too great (above 45deg) and too far and it’ll be too little (below 30deg). Page 57 has the details of what I’m talking about www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-atmos/dolby-atmos-home-theater-installation-guidelines.pdf
\\New Subscriber// Love your video's, I am a novice to dolby atmos but I am considering an upgrade from my 5.1 setup to a 9.1 atmos, So my questions are - Is it just a question of getting a dolby atmos compatible receiver and adding 2 or 4 elevated speakers to get the DA effect? and Is there such a thing as wireless atmos speakers? Thank you
The in ceiling speakers are the ones I picked ( just dumb luck) it’s just to hard to really tell on TH-cam. But in ceiling speakers will always sound better. But that’s just my opinion. Hey have a great New Year!!!
Are you OK with 2 ceiling speakers for Dolby Atmos or is there a big difference with 4? You thoughts on Martin Logan Helos ? And if 4 speakers is that much better than 2 is that require certain movies that produce additional sounds with 4? Is the 2 better quality speakers (martin Logan) still better than using 4 less expensive speakers? thx in advance
I have a 2 story great room that's open to the kitchen (19ft by 17ft by 15ft tall). What's your recommendation for atmos? I don't think I should install speakers in the ceiling or very high on the wall because it's not going to work up there? Lol, no idea.
Thank you for the video. I was using book shelf klipsch speakers are my height speakers and goes on top of my towers. They sounded ok but wasn’t impressed. I went out a couple days ago and bought the klipsh r-41-sa at bestbuy since they were on sale for $279. They did sound a little better but wasn’t blown away. Now that I saw your video I think I’m gonna mount them on the wall. I have a center dual 8 inch, 2 towers with dual 8 inch 2 surround bookshelf 8 inch, 12 inch sub and now the height speakers. All my speakers and sub are klipsch reference using a Denon 3400 receiver. Can’t wait to hear the difference.
If you want sound to come from a point source, place speaker at that point. Did you leave the inceiling speakers open to the ceiling void; Or did you install speaker hoods/box-in the rear of the void behind the speakers?
Just bought some Klipsch atmos speakers which I’m going to wall mount and definitely not on top of my speakers, this vid definitely confirmed that, I would have liked to roof mount some ceiling speakers, but the wife acceptance factor wasn’t good, so I bought 4 of them for high on the walls
Love the video, I had a question though..... Noticing the placement of your floor standing and bookshelf up firing atmos speakers, did you try (at any point in time) elevating the speakers more so the atmos speakers were above your ears so you wouldn't be able to hear directionally where the sound was coming from? I have to imagine in your seating position the atmos speakers would be at or even possibly below the level of your ears? Yes? No? Maybe so?
hi Villa_Man I have a 16 x 16 living room. On the left side of my TV is a double sliding door that leads to the back yard, on the right of my TV is an open wall that joins the living to the kitchen. My ceilings are 9 feet high. I will be ordering a set of Ash SVS Prime Pinnacle floor standing speakers for the front (left, right), and a Prime Ultra for the Center channel. I will also order two sb2000 subs. I would like to install in-wall speakers for the rear surrounds, as well as 4 in-ceilings for the dolby atmos. Would you recommend I install the EM-IC by Martin Logan, or the Helos for in-ceiling? Also, what in-ceiling speakers would you recommend I install? any help would be greatly appreciated!
Hooked my 4 prime elevation speakers yesterday and got rid of my atmos modules haven't really fine tuned them yet but I can definitely tell the difference
@@ThaVillaMan it took a about 2 hours to run the wires hook em up and hang them tuned up perfect Saturday and what impressed me the most was what I never noticed before like the music that was playing in H shop after the race scene in ready player 1 never heard prince music or the the temptations in the modules wow impressive
Nice video. I am getting ready to convert a basement storage area into a nice 7.2.4. Been thinking about using the SVS heights in lieu of the in-ceiling for the only reason of trying to limit sound-bleed from the basement to the family room and kitchen above. In a different video you mentioned putting the heights on the side walls vs the front and back. Can you tell any differences with that? My screen size will be 135" so if I do a front/height they will be literally stuck in the upper corner of the room. Also, thinking about dual PB-2000's in my 16'x20'x9.5' space. I saw your other SVS sub videos and wanted your input on that too. (the dual SVS PB-2000 were what SVS recommended when I called them but I wonder if I should go bigger). Thanks!
I have Boston speakers . Is it possible to use surround speakers as height /mounted Dolby surround speakers ? I am not sure whether to buy inceiling or mount the small speakers on the wall. I am using a 7.2 channel Yamaha avr . Please advise before I make a mistake and regret it. Take care .
Great video. I’m shopping for in ceiling speakers for middle height Atmos, would you still recommend the electro motion ic for this? I will be using Svs prime elevations for front height & rear height and it looks like the ic matches pretty well w/ those. Thoughts?
Tha_VillaMan, correct. Going for a 7.1.6 setup. 2 SVS Prime Elevations directly above main front channels for front height & 2 SVS Prime Elevations directly above rear channels for rear height with the ML ElectroMotion ICs providing middle height. Ceiling height is 8 ft otherwise I would use a 3rd set of SVS instead but these would intrude on the space too much. TIA.
Ohhh I understand. The ICs are really good and will definitely match well with the SVSs, but I’d actually recommend the Helos 12 instead. They’re also from ML and I have them in the rear, and I think they actually sound better than the IC.
Good video, well done, very interesting. Still got two questions : why did you put your svs prime elevations above front speakers instead of on side walls, which seems to me closer to Dolby Atmos specs? Do you have rear svs prime elevation too and where did you place them? Thanks and keep up the good work!
Thanks, I’m glad you liked it. I have 4 SVS Elevations in the room. 2 up front and two on the sides over the MLP. You can see their positions in the install video I did.
mGreat video - hits home. I'm trying to make this very decision. With my 7 foot flat ceilings I was concerned about the options. Currently took my backs (from 7.1 to 5.1.2) and raised them up to about 6 feet... I am hearing "bubble" sound from various ATMOS tracks, but these are not wide apart and sit behind window blinds (wood slats not metal). Certainly not idea and the back wall is an outside wall with two large windows. So been looking at up-firing (Klipsch or Definitive Tech) or the Elevations (SVS). In ceiling mount is possible, but I worried about the 7' height and can only handle 5.1.2 on this AVR.
Just installed 4 in ceiling speakers last night so now I'm running 5.2.4..You can definitely hear a difference with overhead speakers. Love it so far. If you do this project, prepare to get dirty lol
I noticed that you compared the speakers all using the front of the room. How do you have your back of the room speakers setup? My receiver can only add 2 Atmos speakers, I currently have them in-ceiling in the back of the room just forward of my seating position. Could you recommend better placement?
If you only have 2 speaker then having them slightly forward of the MLP is the correct position. As for my test I had speakers in the front and in the back of my room th-cam.com/video/SAlyZJjwv20/w-d-xo.html
One of the things to consider is that with the elevation speakers you get physically more space that atmos can “place” objects around you, therefore representing what the artist(s) intended better
@@himynameisryan my problem with it is that sound bouncing isn’t very convincing. Content is mastered using discrete speakers, not Atmos enabled ones. Granted it still is better than nothing- but precise placement and object panning effects are a lot more effective (and convincing) with discrete speakers
Excellent info... I have the Andrew jones 5.1 without atmos and will be looking into adding some atmos speakers... this video will definitely help me with my decision process.
Thank you been patiently waiting for this video I have atmos modules by andrew jones not the elites I have a very small theater room about 9x10 I have a 7.2.4 setup with the size of this room would I hear a big difference going with the prime elevations
This is the video I was looking for. Explaining atmos between in ceiling, elevation and upfiring. Great job man!
Glad I could help!
Thank you for giving us a REAL understanding of how this works without a bunch of fanfare and not trying to sell us anything. You da Tha Villa=man!
Very concise video! Love your channel and content. Keep up the great work. Your comment on "Why haven't I heard of this guy before" made me laugh. LOL
Haha thanks Youthman. Glad you liked it!
You know what? This video WAS awesome! Thanks for making it--it quickly answered all my questions about up/height/in-ceiling speakers.
Thank u. I live in an apartment so I definitely can’t do in ceiling. I’ve tried up firing but it’s not great either. So I’m moving onto elevation. I won’t worry about hiding the wires
Finally! Short, to the point. Fact based, objective measurement, subjective useful opinion. Loved the interactive see-if-you-see part. This review is perfect and I very rarely say that. Please do bookshelf rear atmos speakers reviews and tests for 5.1.4 setup in the same manner. Liked & subscribed!
Hey these videos are awesome! Why haven't I heard of this guy before?
Hahahaha nicely done. Why thank you... Thank you very much.
@@ThaVillaMan what tv is that behind you
An LG B6 OLED
@@ThaVillaMan oh ok ,right on!
Loudness should be in SPL not dB bode plot
I've been having a hard time finding comparisons like this online. Your video was super helpful! 👍
Honestly, your my favorite reviewer on the Tubes. Keep it up. I love the editing and honest reviews. Thank you for taking your time in your comparisons, presentations and reviews.
I’m really glad to hear that. I’m happy you enjoy watching my videos. I’m always trying to get better with each one
@@ThaVillaMan Well, you're on a roll!! Especially with that crisp new camera! Keep it up!! I can't wait to see what else you bring.
Awesome job as always brother! I'm definitely moving up to atmos from a 7.2 set up and the video is definitely helpful!
Great comparison man! As a person who has been researching in order to make a decision on a new home theatre, your videos have been very helpful! Great content, keep it up, I'm looking forward to what you'll be sharing with us in 2019!
Definitely. Glad I can help!
Thank for your Awsome Advice on the different Atmos Speaker set ups. My Wife my not like Holes drilled in our Ceiling lol . My best bet is to place Atmos Speakers on top of my main Speakers. Thank You for your Advice and Expertise
Still one of the better explained and demo videos out there. Btw, where you been dude?
Thanks! It’s been a crazy few months. Lots of demands on my time, so I’m doing my best to prioritize.
Thanks so much for your guidance. Merry Christmas 2023.😊
liking your videos, they're very informative. This vid made me decide on in ceiling speakers. Do you think in wall speakers for rear surround would be as good as bookshelves on stands? I can't really hang them on the wall. Keep the vids coming!
Just subscribed to the channel and really enjoy the content that I have seen so far. I am in the middle of converting my garage into a dedicated home theater room and this video really shed some light on atmos speaker types for me. Keep up the great content on the channel. There are a lot of channels providing HT content, but very few with the professionalism as yours. Job well done. Thanks again.
Awesome. Glad I could help!
I was all set to comment about on ceiling bookshelf speakers but You covered them. I have a beam right overhead with two SVS Prime Satellites mounted for a 5.2.2. Loving the videos.
I've heard in ceiling speakers typically don't have the same sounds quality as elevation speakers in a cabinet. Since you have both, I'm curious how you would compare the two.
This was a great informative video! Your video looks great on TV and phone. Thanks!
Great comparison! 👍
I have the Martin Logan ICs, so I was pretty excited to see this comparison. This helped to reassure my thoughts and feelings from my own experience. It also eliminates any buyer's remorse I may have had from spending a little extra on them compared to up-firing or elevated...and also buying additional speakers, as I plan on adding two more ICs in the near future.
Thanks!!!
Thanks! The MLs are great because they can go so low. They’re a great choice.
4 speakers overhead really make great sound even better
Seek and Yeee shall find. The exact topics you went over in your video is what I've been trying to figure out for ages...Thanks for doing the heavy lifting!
Thanks for the information! Very helpful for the Hometheater enthusiasts.
I've just found this, finally, a decent comparison of the 3 Atmos speaker types. You've helped me make a decision on my Atmos speaker configuration, thanks heaps for posting this video.
Very informative!!!! Thank you. I've been considering going Atmos. Looking into 9.2 receivers if I use reflection speakers or 11.2 if I go with ceiling. Great video as I was wanting to know if reflection speakers were any good. Btw you 4k HDR vid looks amazing on the XMax.
I am actually planning to mount bookshelf speakers to my ceiling this weekend, so nice to hear that that is a thing. Hopefully going 5.2.1 will be a nice change over my current 7.1.
You do Comparisons right, normally I would have to watch several videos to get this much information. this is only the 2nd video I’m watching on this matter and I already know what route I’m going. (Elevation in case anyone was wondering) So thumbs up my man just for that I’m playing this video again and watching all ads when it reloads. If there are any ads I didn’t remember seeing any.
First time listening. Wanted to support and leave a comment. Keep it up
hi there...I'm so late joining this conversation but I hope to get some advice. I can't use in ceiling speakers for my 5.1.4 setup so I'm thinking of using 4 bookshelf speakers -2 mounted at the front up on the wall just under the ceiling and 2 at the back-my sofa is in the middle of the room. The Prime elevation would be nice because they are already angled but I wonder if just about any other speaker would work too...for best results, should these speakers be mounted aligned with the main L and R speakers at the front and in line at the back too? or should I place them in the corners? And for calibration I would call them Height or top? so many options . I have a Denon AVR-X4400. Thanks so much!
Great Video, glad I found your channel. I've been playing with in or on-ceiling ideas and testing and I think I'm going with elevation speakers after listening to some of the SVS products.
Bro, awesome video. Thank you so much as I couldn't make up my mind but now I will go with ceiling speakers. Which Pioneer Elite do you have? I am still trying to figure out my SCLX-801 and currently looking for the right speaker configuration. I would love to do a 7.2.4 but I think I can only do a 5.2.4 with mine. Any tips?
Hello I plan on using 7.1 Atmos Pioneer Front and Back enabled Center Sub and 2 Ceiling Speakers best of both worlds
Hello, thanks for your video! What you think about Monitor Audio Bronze AMS for elevation placement of speakers?
I have installed 4 Klipsch R51m's and they sound great.
I want to hear more from this guy. Sub earned! Great video! I am just before buying an 5.1.2 system and this video really helped me a lot!
Cheers!
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Great video man! Lot's of informative information backed by easy to see data clearly laid out, well done.
nice!! been waiting on this video, I currently have 2 Klipsch CDT-3800-Cii ceiling speakers, and 2 R-41SA wall mounted speakers. Was wondering how the Klipsch RP-500SA sound to the SVS elevation speakers? hopefully, you can get some and do a comparison.
I’m glad I was finally able to publish it. A lot of people were asking about it. Thanks for watching!
I don’t know if I’ll get the chance to review the Klipsches, but I’ll be sending the SVSs back soon, so I most likely won’t be able to compare them directly
I know i am asking this a few months after you uploaded the video but i just discovered you channel and it is awesome!! I would like for you to make a video of best 4k blurays again (updated i mean). I want to ask a question, i have dali atmos speakers (elevation) . I had set them at 110hz and after i saw your video i set them at 80hz. i did not have time to watch any demos i will today, but do you think that there will be a difference at all or not, because the sounds coming from those speakers at 110hz were very few and when they came out i could not understand most of the times they were coming from the elevation speakers. Do you think i sohould set them at 60 or 70 hz? Thanks great video, great channel. PS: a video with how to calibrate samsung 4k tvs would be great
Like the new 4k camera!! I am also using Prime Elevations overhead and love it.
Right? It makes everything so much better.
Nice! I’m not surprised to hear that though... the primes are definitely a good choice.
Video is awesome.
Your voice....you are blessed with that voice bro.
Warm wishes from India to my brother.
Haha thanks!
Amazing job. I have a shoirter ceiling in my basement where my second HT is at. Making holes in the ceiling or running wires up the wall aint easy. So I will make use of the upfiring speakers as its the best option I have.
thank you, very informative. Think I'll go with the Dali Alteco c-1, as I don't want to drill holes in my walls either. Take care.
Thanks for the video I made the mistake of ordering klipsch 50 watt rms dolby atmos speakers I'm returning those today lol. I have the denon x4500h which is way overpowered for those. I'm going to order the SVS Primes which have a 150 rms rating. Thanks for the help.
I am really happy you made this video. You can hear the difference of the speakers through this video. I can hear the ceiling speakers and SVS height speakers have higher frequency range.
The atmos enabled bounce sounding speakers have a lower frequency range. They tend to sound a little weaker with less Bass.
I would choose ceiling speakers or SVS height elevation speakers over the atmos enabled.
But it is nice to hear that Atmos enabled speakers work fine as an option
th-cam.com/video/O8hck6sIO3c/w-d-xo.html
Ask Youthman what his cross over frequency is for the upFiring speakers.
Refer to AVSForum. UpFiring Atmos speakers._____ forum members posted are setting atmos speakers +6DB over the AVR Auto Eq calibration values.
As well many members have great results with Atmos crossover frequency of 100 or 120 HZ. I myself as well with my Klipsch RP500SA's. Don't pass judgement on Atmos Enabled speakers until one tries 100 HZ cutoff and +6 DB over value from auto eq
Awesome man, I'm framing my basement and trying to decide in-ceiling or elevation. My ceiling is wide open. Wiring isn't an issue.
Whats your thoughts on using two elevation speakers on the front wall for Atmos?
Definitely great insight into wanting in ceiling speakers instead
Excellent video and comparison, helped me a lot in choosing. A question, what is the ideal recommendation and positioning in DOWN-FIRING ( On top of the front channels ) ?
question: with 4 proper speakers instead of 2 modules you hear things MOVING from front to back of your ceiling? thank you
Thank you very much for a short and simple opinion
I've yet to transition to Atmos speakers. Thank you for this video. Very informed and easy to understand. Seems like Ready Player one is the gold standard for demos now.
I have a slanted ceiling and atmos doesn't cater too well for that experience. I won't spend money on upfiring ones after your review.
Whatever happened to DTS X?
Glad I could help. On-wall Atmos speakers might be your best bet. DTS:X is still there, but Atmos is more widely adopted.
Wow. Thanks a lot friend . Ur video answerwed a lot of questions for me my HT room has a vaulted ceiling with cloud acoustic panels for treatment. In this space I have been struggling for a Atmos solution. Neither upfiring nor down firing works for me. So will look at svs elevation works best for me. Do u suggest the rear Atmos pair be mounted on back walls the same way as front ?
Hey! Glad I could help. I think you could mount it either way, depending on the layout of your room. Just make sure in whichever case the speakers are pointing towards the listening position
How about the prime elevations but mounted as in ceilings?
That an interesting test for another time 😆
@@ThaVillaMan word, I bought SONY SSCSE, enabled speakers, can I put them directly ontop of the sofa, pointing downwards? (I want to use then as, IN CEILING, speakers for dolby atmos) I already bought them on black friday as a deal and I'm not trying to buy other speakers
@@gabrielabdulla7246 did it work for you?
@@Toschh yea they work perfectly
@@gabrielabdulla7246 nice! Do you think you benefit more from putting them behind the sofa and not Infront of you on the wall were the tv is?
You have shown the svs prime elevation only as height speaker. But they can also be placed in the ceiling. Can you make a review with preme evevation sound quality and atmos effect comparing to klipsch rp500 sa ii?
Your reviews are getting better, way to step yup the game looking forward to 2019
Thank you! I really appreciate you noticing. That’s always my aim
Well done have you try installing the elevations on the ceiling?
That’s what I like about the elevations they are so versatile since I got them I been playing around with them.
I been using them as upfireing, on the ceiling, high front on high on the side.
Thanks. No I haven’t installed them on the ceiling. I can only get away with so much, especially since I’m not keeping them
well done!
also what software do you use for editing and uploading in 4k?
Great video. I have a question about the Klipsch R-625FA and the pioneer Elite SP-EFS73 upfiring speakers. I have now the LG C9 hooked up to the Onkyo TX-NR696 Receiver and it is nice. I just need speakers and speakers for dolby atmos. Now Im struggling between which one to pick for that dolby atmos experience. Either the Klipsch or the Pioneer up firing. Now that I saw your video I'm thinking of getting the Klipsch RP-140SA elevation speakers and tower Klipsch speakers. thanks in advance for any information.
Villaman i just bought a Denon 3700 with 5.1 Polk Signature Series. Regarding Dolby Atmos i was thinking about 4x Elacs A4.2 Dolby Enabled Speakers because my ceiling is concrete and i cant use in ceiling. What do you think about them?
A question Villaman, I just bought a 65 inch LG with Dolby Vision, Is it true that it only runs through a 48gbit 2.1 HDMI, because I want to buy a Marantz SR5013 Reciever that lets dolby vision passthrough , but is a reciever passthrough HDMI connection also 2.1 , or does it downscales to 2.0b 18 gbit or something, I can never really find in the specs, or has a Dolby Vision passthrough receiver per definition a 2.1 HDMI output ?
I have a Minix SJ22 Mediacenter with Dolby Vision/Atmos HDMI 2.1 output , but is it wise to let it passthrough the receiver for the video signal ?
And regarding to Dolby Atmos, do I have to buy a specific speaker for the ceiling, frequency wise, or can I buy two passive ceiling surround speakers ?, so not build in but attached to the ceiling.
Your video's are great to watch, thanx for the info and the clarity , keep up the good work.
Thank you for the video.
Great comparison!
Is there much of a difference in real life between in ceiling and on wall elevation?
It would be awesome if you could get your hands on the Klipsch RP-500SA and compare them.
Thanks for watching!
I really don’t think there is any significant difference between the two if your front stage is close enough.
If it was much farther away from the seating position I could see the effect not being as good though. But that’s just my suspicion
@@ThaVillaMan What sort of distance are you talking about @tHa_vilLaMaN ? What is considered too far from the MLP?
Firstly that should be placed above the LR if you’re mounting them in on your front walls. And when doing that, the speaker should maintain a 30-45deg angle to the MLP.
If the wall is too close, the angle might be too great (above 45deg) and too far and it’ll be too little (below 30deg).
Page 57 has the details of what I’m talking about www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-atmos/dolby-atmos-home-theater-installation-guidelines.pdf
\\New Subscriber// Love your video's, I am a novice to dolby atmos but I am considering an upgrade from my 5.1 setup to a 9.1 atmos, So my questions are - Is it just a question of getting a dolby atmos compatible receiver and adding 2 or 4 elevated speakers to get the DA effect? and Is there such a thing as wireless atmos speakers? Thank you
The in ceiling speakers are the ones I picked ( just dumb luck) it’s just to hard to really tell on TH-cam. But in ceiling speakers will always sound better. But that’s just my opinion.
Hey have a great New Year!!!
Are you OK with 2 ceiling speakers for Dolby Atmos or is there a big difference with 4? You thoughts on Martin Logan Helos ? And if 4 speakers is that much better than 2 is that require certain movies that produce additional sounds with 4? Is the 2 better quality speakers (martin Logan) still better than using 4 less expensive speakers? thx in advance
I have a 2 story great room that's open to the kitchen (19ft by 17ft by 15ft tall). What's your recommendation for atmos? I don't think I should install speakers in the ceiling or very high on the wall because it's not going to work up there? Lol, no idea.
Great, informative video. Thanks!
Thanks for the review, very well explained and conclusion. 👍👍👍
Thank you for the video. I was using book shelf klipsch speakers are my height speakers and goes on top of my towers. They sounded ok but wasn’t impressed. I went out a couple days ago and bought the klipsh r-41-sa at bestbuy since they were on sale for $279. They did sound a little better but wasn’t blown away. Now that I saw your video I think I’m gonna mount them on the wall. I have a center dual 8 inch, 2 towers with dual 8 inch 2 surround bookshelf 8 inch, 12 inch sub and now the height speakers. All my speakers and sub are klipsch reference using a Denon 3400 receiver. Can’t wait to hear the difference.
Glad I could help... I bet you’ll love it!
If you want sound to come from a point source, place speaker at that point.
Did you leave the inceiling speakers open to the ceiling void; Or did you install speaker hoods/box-in the rear of the void behind the speakers?
Great vídeo.. i ran my setup 5.1.4 2 and 2 are atmos elevation speakers (rear side) and 2 front are bookshelves q150
Just bought some Klipsch atmos speakers which I’m going to wall mount and definitely not on top of my speakers, this vid definitely confirmed that, I would have liked to roof mount some ceiling speakers, but the wife acceptance factor wasn’t good, so I bought 4 of them for high on the walls
I used small monopole as front height speakers (JBL Control 1 Pro's) they do a good job.
What did you use to show the frequency response in this video? Amazing...
I like how you say it's HDR and it's actually HDR. I constantly see videos labeled as HDR when they are clearly not.
Great video!
Thanks! Yea, I hate those misleading videos. Wouldn’t want to add to them!
Love the video, I had a question though.....
Noticing the placement of your floor standing and bookshelf up firing atmos speakers, did you try (at any point in time) elevating the speakers more so the atmos speakers were above your ears so you wouldn't be able to hear directionally where the sound was coming from? I have to imagine in your seating position the atmos speakers would be at or even possibly below the level of your ears? Yes? No? Maybe so?
hi Villa_Man
I have a 16 x 16 living room. On the left side of my TV is a double sliding door that leads to the back yard, on the right of my TV is an open wall that joins the living to the kitchen. My ceilings are 9 feet high. I will be ordering a set of Ash SVS Prime Pinnacle floor standing speakers for the front (left, right), and a Prime Ultra for the Center channel. I will also order two sb2000 subs. I would like to install in-wall speakers for the rear surrounds, as well as 4 in-ceilings for the dolby atmos. Would you recommend I install the EM-IC by Martin Logan, or the Helos for in-ceiling? Also, what in-ceiling speakers would you recommend I install?
any help would be greatly appreciated!
Hooked my 4 prime elevation speakers yesterday and got rid of my atmos modules haven't really fine tuned them yet but I can definitely tell the difference
Niiiiice. I love it! How long did it take?
@@ThaVillaMan it took a about 2 hours to run the wires hook em up and hang them tuned up perfect Saturday and what impressed me the most was what I never noticed before like the music that was playing in H shop after the race scene in ready player 1 never heard prince music or the the temptations in the modules wow impressive
thanks a lot man ,I was looking for a video like that
LMAO at that ending. You have an awesome channel my friend.
Great channel , great video, and great information. Subscribed...! 👍🏾
Awesome. Glad you liked!
fantastic comparison!! very informative.
Nice video. I am getting ready to convert a basement storage area into a nice 7.2.4. Been thinking about using the SVS heights in lieu of the in-ceiling for the only reason of trying to limit sound-bleed from the basement to the family room and kitchen above. In a different video you mentioned putting the heights on the side walls vs the front and back. Can you tell any differences with that? My screen size will be 135" so if I do a front/height they will be literally stuck in the upper corner of the room. Also, thinking about dual PB-2000's in my 16'x20'x9.5' space. I saw your other SVS sub videos and wanted your input on that too. (the dual SVS PB-2000 were what SVS recommended when I called them but I wonder if I should go bigger). Thanks!
Thanks. I needed that. Excellent explaining.
I have Boston speakers . Is it possible to use surround speakers as height /mounted Dolby surround speakers ? I am not sure whether to buy inceiling or mount the small speakers on the wall. I am using a 7.2 channel Yamaha avr . Please advise before I make a mistake and regret it. Take care .
Great video. I’m shopping for in ceiling speakers for middle height Atmos, would you still recommend the electro motion ic for this? I will be using Svs prime elevations for front height & rear height and it looks like the ic matches pretty well w/ those. Thoughts?
Thanks! So you want to be using in-ceiling AND elevation speakers together?
Tha_VillaMan, correct. Going for a 7.1.6 setup. 2 SVS Prime Elevations directly above main front channels for front height & 2 SVS Prime Elevations directly above rear channels for rear height with the ML ElectroMotion ICs providing middle height. Ceiling height is 8 ft otherwise I would use a 3rd set of SVS instead but these would intrude on the space too much. TIA.
Ohhh I understand. The ICs are really good and will definitely match well with the SVSs, but I’d actually recommend the Helos 12 instead.
They’re also from ML and I have them in the rear, and I think they actually sound better than the IC.
Tha_VillaMan, you like the Helos 12s better even though they’re technically the cheaper speaker?
Yup!
Good video, well done, very interesting. Still got two questions :
why did you put your svs prime elevations above front speakers instead of on side walls, which seems to me closer to Dolby Atmos specs?
Do you have rear svs prime elevation too and where did you place them?
Thanks and keep up the good work!
Thanks, I’m glad you liked it.
I have 4 SVS Elevations in the room. 2 up front and two on the sides over the MLP. You can see their positions in the install video I did.
mGreat video - hits home. I'm trying to make this very decision. With my 7 foot flat ceilings I was concerned about the options. Currently took my backs (from 7.1 to 5.1.2) and raised them up to about 6 feet... I am hearing "bubble" sound from various ATMOS tracks, but these are not wide apart and sit behind window blinds (wood slats not metal). Certainly not idea and the back wall is an outside wall with two large windows. So been looking at up-firing (Klipsch or Definitive Tech) or the Elevations (SVS). In ceiling mount is possible, but I worried about the 7' height and can only handle 5.1.2 on this AVR.
Thanks for the review, for my room I will be using Klipsch rp140sa. Your video has been very helpful.
Just installed 4 in ceiling speakers last night so now I'm running 5.2.4..You can definitely hear a difference with overhead speakers. Love it so far. If you do this project, prepare to get dirty lol
Right? So. Much. Drywall. Dust.
Really glad to hear you’re loving the results tho... congrats!
How high should the front elevation speakers be ? Should they be touching the ceiling ?
Love those ML tweeters
Great review...its in cieling for me...new build starts August...what was that little bit of music at the end?...sounded wicked
Thanks. I bet you can’t wait! The song is Here We Go - Damian Marley. Love it.
@@ThaVillaMan thanks villaman
Hi Villaman,
Any chance of a diagram showing the set out of your speakers, distances (including distance to and angle to the listener)
I noticed that you compared the speakers all using the front of the room. How do you have your back of the room speakers setup? My receiver can only add 2 Atmos speakers, I currently have them in-ceiling in the back of the room just forward of my seating position. Could you recommend better placement?
If you only have 2 speaker then having them slightly forward of the MLP is the correct position. As for my test I had speakers in the front and in the back of my room th-cam.com/video/SAlyZJjwv20/w-d-xo.html
Once again u have the perfect video i was looking for
Glad I could help!
One of the things to consider is that with the elevation speakers you get physically more space that atmos can “place” objects around you, therefore representing what the artist(s) intended better
No sir. I can definitively say that is not how it is in practice
@@ThaVillaMan I mean literally Atmos engineers agree with me
In fact there’s a great video by TechnoDad on TH-cam that discusses it
@@himynameisryan my problem with it is that sound bouncing isn’t very convincing. Content is mastered using discrete speakers, not Atmos enabled ones. Granted it still is better than nothing- but precise placement and object panning effects are a lot more effective (and convincing) with discrete speakers
@@ThaVillaMan I’m not speaking about bouncing speaker
I’m talking about elevation speakers
I agree bounced speakers really aren’t it
Oh ok. We’re good then! 😅
Villaman do you own Elac Debut series? I am between Elac and Polk Siganature line. Which do you recommend?
In Ceiling is best Period. #Fact
Closely followed by elevation speakers. Wasn't too keen on the upfiring ones.
Excellent info... I have the Andrew jones 5.1 without atmos and will be looking into adding some atmos speakers... this video will definitely help me with my decision process.
Glad it could help. It’s definitely something you where you want to have the most information available
Thanks man... It was a great video
Very helpful video. Congrats!!
Thank you been patiently waiting for this video I have atmos modules by andrew jones not the elites I have a very small theater room about 9x10 I have a 7.2.4 setup with the size of this room would I hear a big difference going with the prime elevations