The Death Penalty Debate
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ส.ค. 2012
- Did you know that the costs of continuing the death penalty in California could cost the state a billion dollars over the next 5 years? Watch this video to see Innocence Project Director Barry Scheck dissect the costs and arguments against capital punishment.
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Death is the only thing in this world before which everyone is truely equal. This is the reason I support death penalty.
It's amazing how childish you become when someone refutes your argument....
Exactly!!!
If there's one Innocent person on Death Row thats all I need to be against the Death Penalty
No law, is a deterrent to crime, for laws are only for the law abiding. I am for capital punishment, for certain cases. I don't think it's a deterrent, and I will not debate it's morality, as I think that is a non-issue. Capitol punishment should be reserved for the most dangerous cases, where there is no doubt as to guilt. Like Jeffry Dahmer for example. My reasons are simple in cases like this. It removes the threat. You can't fix people this broken and the possibility of escape can never be totally removed. Second, why should the taxpayers have to pay the high cost for the care of such a person? It's that simple.
You really think the topic of morality is a non-issue. BS. Almost every law we have ever had has been rooted in some form of morality.
The only way it is a deterrent is when it’s used frequently and it’s quickly.
It costs more to execute a person than to hold him prisoner
Yes, as written in the Indian Constitution "The rarest of the rare"
Work camps is best. Make the worst of the worst of the worst miserable for the rest of their life while being useful as well.
It's not about blame. It' bout recognizing the existence of a problem (crime) and finding a way to resolve that problem with a proper balance of effectiveness and humaneness.
and how death penalty humane?
@@mysteryguy793 is it humane if the victim's family engulfs themselves in sorrow and depression until they commit suicide. At the end, one dies. You decide whether it's the innocent life or the criminals life.
@@mysteryguy793 it's deterrent for some people. You could be the next statistic.
The death penalty does not deter anyone from committing crimes. People still rape and murder in Texas and other states that have the death penalty. The death penalty is to rid society of those who commit rapes, murders or other heinous crimes. Psychologists have argued that locking up someone for life is more cruel than the death penalty. How often do we hear someone say "I'd rather see him suffer in prison than take the easy way out through the death penalty"? Are we doing them a favor by executing them?
How about the case where a man murdered his wife, served 22 years in prison, then was released back into society and became a serial killer, killing six women before being caught. The death penalty would have saved all those women.
cameron d 😡 So would life imprisonment without parole. How do you balance condemning murder by an individual then advocating murder by the state? Note that murder is the INTENTIONAL killing of one or more person. That is precisely what the death penalty is. Cognitive dissonance holds sway with so many advocates of such extreme punishment.
Death penalty DOES deters some.
this is such a good video
I don't think it's our place to determine whether someone's life will be meaningful to them. In the case of someone whose guilt has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt (which basically never happens) then I'd support giving them the option of life in prison or death. The most humane thing is letting the criminal decide.
i think the cruelest criminals should be put in prison with very hard labour and if they dont work x hours (depends on crime) they dont receive food
It's far too complicated to fully explain it. MOST of the money comes from holding them on Death Row and the extensive appeals process that practically every convicted criminal sentenced to the death penalty goes through. This is of course an over simplified answer, but it gives you a general idea. However, specifically in California, you have to consider the amount of people that are currently on death row. Hope this helped :)
Yeah, why?
The costs of DP are so high because the worst criminal-since-childhood repeat offender sentenced to death gets the most scrupulous review of his case. Which is what those first-time convicted who rot in jail for crimes they never committed should get instead
When someone is found guilty of a crime and is sentenced to death I would like to see the following happen:
The prisoner is placed in a prefab, 10' by 10' cell. The cell is placed on a truck and transported to a site where there is existing plumbing and electric ready to be connected.
The prisoner is allowed one book. They eat two meals a day, in their cells. They are allowed a radio, but no tv. They do not have access to a library, a gym, or any kind of education.
They are allowed no visitors. They do not send or receive mail. To the outside world they cease to exist. The guards do not speak to them.
The next prisoner is brought to the same site and his or her cell is attached to any existing cells.
I believe prison is to punish criminals rather than rehabilitate them, but even I don't support the death penalty.
I believe that the efforts to remove the general populace from the reality of an execution, as well as the delay in enacting it, are some of the primary aspects which prevent capital punishment from acting as a deterrent.
They ones behind sentencing a innocent person to death should face manslaughter charges
What is the best strategy to reduce crime rates? It's said that the existence of the death penalty makes the criminals think twice before committing a murder. But some sociopaths could not be influenced bu this though...
There was a very strange feature in this case, strange because of its extremely rare occurrence. This man had once been brought to the scaffold in company with several others, and had had the sentence of death by shooting passed upon him for some political crime. Twenty minutes later he had been reprieved and some other punishment substituted; but the interval between the two sentences, twenty minutes, or at least a quarter of an hour, had been passed in the certainty that within a few minutes he must die. I was very anxious to hear him speak of his impressions during that dreadful time, and I several times inquired of him as to what he thought and felt. He remembered everything with the most accurate and extraordinary distinctness, and declared that he would never forget a single iota of the experience. ‘About twenty paces from the scaffold, where he had stood to hear the sentence, were three posts, fixed in the ground, to which to fasten the criminals (of whom there were several). The first three criminals were taken to the posts, dressed in long white tunics, with white caps drawn over their faces, so that they could not see the rifles pointed at them. Then a group of soldiers took their stand opposite to each post. My friend was the eighth on the list, and therefore he would have been among the third lot to go up. A priest went about among them with a cross: and there was about five minutes of time left for him to live. ‘He said that those five minutes seemed to him to be a most interminable period, an enormous wealth of time; he seemed to be living, in these minutes, so many lives that there was no need as yet to think of that last moment, so that he made several arrangements, dividing up the time into portions-one for saying farewell to his companions, two minutes for that; then a couple more for thinking over his own life and career and all about himself; and another minute for a last look around. He remembered having divided his time like this quite well. While saying good- bye to his friends he recollected asking one of them some very usual everyday question, and being much interested in the answer. Then having bade farewell, he embarked upon those two minutes which he had allotted to looking into himself; he knew beforehand what he was going to think about. He wished to put it to himself as quickly and clearly as possible, that here was he, a living, thinking man, and that in three minutes he would be nobody; or if somebody or something, then what and where? He thought he would decide this question once
for all in these last three minutes. A little way off there stood a church, and its gilded spire glittered in the sun. He remembered staring stubbornly at this spire, and at the rays of light sparkling from it. He could not tear his eyes from these rays of light; he got the idea that these rays were his new nature, and that in three minutes he would become one of them, amalgamated somehow with them. ‘The repugnance to what must ensue almost immediately, and the uncertainty, were dreadful, he said; but worst of all was the idea, ‘What should I do if I were not to die now? What if I were to return to life again? What an eternity of days, and all mine! How I should grudge and count up every minute of it, so as to waste not a single instant!’ He said that this thought weighed so upon him and became such a terrible burden upon his brain that he could not bear it, and wished they would shoot him quickly and have done with it.’.
This is a monolouge and not a debate.
I’m opposed to the Death Penalty, and always have been. This guy makes the argument, however, that it takes on average 26 years to go through with, and that it’s incredibly expensive. What would his answer be to the argument that it should be done a lot sooner then, and at a much lower cost?
True True !
As soon as the verdict comes out. Do it behind the court house. No BS long waiting death row. Money saved and everybody goes home happy.
Actually, most murderers prefer life as 99.9% of them try to fight their death sentences.
Alexander Admas so we should let criminals who kil live so they can keep doing this.
If I remember correctly it was you who bothered me first by replying to my initial post! But if you want to end (as you began) on an inarticulate note then perhaps that says more about you and your position than anything else.
Then they do not know what the word humane means.
The death penalty is hypocritical.
It is a very interesting topic. Multiples mentalities for it as well, one being 'if you kill this person for killing that person what makes you any better?' Statistically we'd never be 100% certain someone committed a crime unless it was filmed or something similar. But then, taxpayers money would then be used to fund their life in prison if the death penalty was not applied. The death penalty doesn't stop people from murdering others. If any thing they probably think it's the best way out, do what I want and then I can die. I'm still unsure as to whether I am for or against.
*Cool!* I love when people tell the truth and say they're frankly unsure! For me personally im against the death penalty bc i belive that every human is possible labour in the eyes of the state, and therefore has worth. And as seen in other countries such as norway, the state has been able to care for these labourers even if they are criminals. I think the prison should'nt
be used as punishment (like in Capital Punishment) but rather be used as rehabilitation, with the only *real* punishment bieng the lack of certain freedoms (to choose where to be etc).
Even if it is filmed, it can be forged. For me it's not killing that is the problem, but murder. Outside of self-defense(or of others) i would say, killing of a human being is murder. "But then, taxpayers money would then be used to fund their life in prison if the death penalty was not applied." Yes, but devaluing human life itself on a mere question of public spending is wrong. I know if i were in a situation were i was criminally accused of something i didn't do, i would want to not be murdered by the state. For what is about the the prison system, i'm less centered on punishment and more on harm reduction(protection of free society & inmates), and (were possible/desirable) redemption & rehabilitation. But all states should really stop disarming citizens & subjects alike and stop impeding self-defense(which in itself is legitimate).
I think the innocence project is amazing and those who work for it are saints on some level, but this guy looks more like Saul Goodman than Bob odenkirk
yeah continuing the death penalty would cost money, but how much does it cost to feed and house the murderer for the rest of their lives?
Rob Graham what is wrong with you?!? What if that happened to you? Let’s paint here a picture:let’s say somebody was threatening you,stalking you,threatening your family,you were seeking help from police but they ignored you because you didn’t have any grounds to get any support from them,no harm has been done to you,so you are left on your own with maniac,and let’s say that after some time you got so paranoid,scared,that you killed that person-you did it out of fear for yourself and your family,you didn’t want to do any harm to anybody, but you simply had enough and you were living in constant fear,( this is real life situation for many people around the world) you weren’t a bad person,or immoral one.Now the death penalty is awaiting you! No one wish to hear your stance,no one understands you,no one see you as human being but a murderer! And now somebody like you is saying what you are saying- what’s the point to keep you alive? That cost too much! It is so simple to judge others,but from normal civilised society member you can become a murderer in a very short time- and guess what- others will see you exactly as you see so called murderers now.
@@rein163 Doesn't matter. People who are falsely given the death penalty is a very fucking rare occurrence, and the murderers who did commit the act deserve to burn, because they took a human life.
having them worked to death sounds like a better idea. more profit = happy prison corporations.
One innocent put to death is one too many. Period.
+offwiththefairies77 I know, its insane. Just imagine being on death row and you're a good person who would never kill anyone, yet you were wrongly convicted. I couldn't imagine being on death row and being innocent. I would go insane.
Tom Smith Exactly. It's barbaric.
what if in the future we have time machines that allow us to observe the past but not change it, guaranteeing no innocent person would be executed. would you then be ok with the death penalty?
Let's assume out of 50 there is always one innocent wronly convicted. But think about all the other innocent lives you saved by killing the other 49 actual murderers that could potentially hurt society in some way again.
EVERYONE on death row is inocent. Just ask them !
I don't consider eye by eye primitive, I consider ancient. Democracy is ancient too, was used in ancient greek.
It's not fair that someone who murdered an innocent person has the right to live, regardless of your philosofical logic, It's not fair.
Eye bye eye is still the fairest way of justice, ancient, but still fairest.
An eye for an eye will only end up making the whole world blind
@@ahopp3629 F-ck you, for 3 reasons.
1- For being against the death penalty.
2- For using this fake logic
3-For answering something after 10 years
You wouldn't feel that way if you were on the other end of it.
Matt Beeman it’s hypothetical “fuck stick”
A deterrent to crime is to implement public rehabilitative prisons and abolish the death penalty.
Because I can.
what if Jodi Arias had been in a fire 5 years earlier and was facially disfigured? then do you have experts show pictures of her before the fire? "well this shows she actually was pretty 5 years ago and should not face the death penalty"--while the poor and ugly face death often times for less heinous crimes than what she did?
I think it's enough that people REALLY don't want to die. Most people facing life in prison would prefer to live.
But again, it should be up to them.
according to the powers that be, California has the money. They have money for Sanctuary Cities, and they have the capital to succeed from the lower 48 and want to be their own country. Tell me again, what seems to be the problem?
I think that our system of justice is outdated by a coule hundred years. Before we can even approach the question of the death penalty, we have to ask ourselves if what we are doing is efficient. I do believe the idea of some form of punishment is a deterrent from crime, but is 1 year in prison any more of a deterrent than 10 years? I think we need to work toward a system of correction. If correction doesn't work, then do away with the threat. That may include the death penalty.
I know. Everyone else is just so jealous.
I don't get how it would be "closure" for the person who murdered somebody you loved to be killed. I think that having the person who was murdered's body burried would be closure, along with the murderer going to jail. The only reason the victim's family and friends want the killer to be killed himself is because they want revenge. They want what happened to their loved one to happen to the killer. The justice system shouldn't be about revenge, but about punishing the guilty.
The only way I think this argument can be won is if the savings from life sentence legal process is passed down to the public in the form of tax cuts. More money rarely doesn’t change an opinion.
Sya capital no punishment system
It's always interesting to hear the stats on how the American public views killing individuals for the crimes- especially when I am sure some of them are staunch right to life supporters. There should be punishment, but also a chance for individuals that can be rehabilitated to get treatment. I wonder how the experimental prisons in Norway would fair in the US.
ive been there..kinda feels like an achievement..yet other people dont think so..lol
It is not cost effective. It is not a deterrent .
It IS a deterrent for some.
So the State can send someone to prison (state kidnapping by your logic?), put someone to pay compensation(state stealing?) and other punishments, there is no comparison between a murder commited by a criminal and a death sentence given by a democratic country after all a due legal process
If they can't be rehabilitated, then we should obviously leave them in prison so they don't harm anyone else. Killing them, though, is entirely unnecessary and brutish.
Given that no one has conclusively proven that a single innocent person has been executed post-1976, the exonerations of death row inmates are really an example of the system working. As far as the (nearly negligible) risk of executing an innocent person, we accept the loss of far more innocent lives for mere convenience (e.g., having speed limits above 15 mph or so), let alone justice or preventing murders. The rest of his case consists of arguments for drastically cutting and streamlining the appeals process. He does misstate the conclusion of the NAS statement, which, though reasonable people can disagree with it, says that all of the studies claiming deterrence or lack thereof are flawed and shouldn't be used to guide policy. To say that it proves a lack of deterrence is a bald-faced lie.
Sya More Sentence by capital no punishment
DAWN
I guess your approach would work if you have complete faith in the judicial and legal system in your country to correctly convict every time, I don't in mine and view the risk of sending one innocent person to death as a price not worth paying. There is also the view that the death penalty is purely about seeking revenge for a perceived wrong, and not punishment (which is achieved by denial of liberty) or rehabilitation.
If a country has life imprisionment, there will always be innocent people convicted who will die in prison without the truth being discovered. Innocents being executed is NOT a good argument against the death penalty, unless you want to also include other punishment such as imprisionment, community work, trivial fines...
What if the truth comes out?
They still get a chance
And last, Death Penalty is not a punishment to teach something to the murder, the crime has already happened, there is nothing to teach him. The intention is to teach other people to not be murders. And Death Penanlty is not easy way out, execution has no pain, but the WAIT for the execution It's too much pain.
These are all no points against death penalty. They are only points against death penalty in its current state. I thought a channel that calls itself "thinker" would have something better to offer than strawman arguments.
If you make the penalty more efficient by reducing waiting time to a year maximum, and make sure to only convict people you are 100% sure are guilty and made the worst crimes, you have most of these "problems" solved. Families of victims don't have to wait anymore. Prison time won't cost as much. The number of actual executions will go down by a lot since you cannot 100% proove many cases, therefore a smaller budget is enough. Voila, you now have created a system in which most people get prison time, but it is still ensured the worst of the worst will get what they deserve.
Excellent, the death penalty the way it's implemented is a joke waiting decades for retribution Ecc 8 : 11 [Niv] bible .
It takes longer time to find if the person is actually guilty. When you reduce ALL the situations to a year, you get "wrongfully convicted"more often. You can't pin point on what is very bad and what is not so much. Also, did you even think that the therapists can analise the criminals state and find what actually happened to the person BEFORE they convicted a crime. So the information would go to Social Workers to be on a look out for youth with the same simptoms? So the criminal rate would reduce?
I agree.
Except it should be 5 years max.
It's no more expensive than life without parole it's way less.
Libtards want to keep murderers alive? Pathetic. It's too expensive. Killers are more likely to kill again and don't deserve empathy.
so lets lets kill the killer to show that killing is wrong?
Gavrilo Vojteski It's called justice. It is better to kill someone who has kill an INNOCENT person.
***** Explain.
Supernova X 1. Do research, it costs way more money for death penalty cases than it is to keep the person alive in prison for life.
2. "Justice" to most people who are pro-death penalty is just a cover up word for why they really are for the death penalty, vengeance.
3. There'd be more of a case for keeping the death penalty if it was possible to be 100% if the person is guilty. But in most cases it isn't, thus innocents end up getting killed. I'd prefer to keep 1 innocent inmate alive in prison for life (perhaps evidence in his favour is eventually found out) along with 24 other guilty ones than kill all 25 of them. Moral reasons y'know.
TJ Laing No, it's more expensive to keep them alive because of the cost of having lawyers, feeding the killers, and all the space it takes to have more prisoners in cells. A murderer doesn't deserve to live, because he/she is more likely to kill again. Would you want someone who killed an innocent child alive? You need to know the difference between killing and innocent person and killing an evil murderer.
Those who oppose the death penalty... how's that working for you? Criminals don't care whether you oppose them or not. The Law of God doesn't care whether you oppose Him, He's God. :)
yes and he allows everyone to live. Even the worst of criminals. Why not let him take them instead of approving of a government full of mortals to kill them? who are these mortals compared to god?
@@mysteryguy793 God will send to hell All unrepentant sinners.
Punishments should be harsher according to the Bible.
It would get more people doing the right thing.
Good luck!
its a sad reflection on the society that has the power to execute its citizens no mater what the crime, its not about the criminal that has killed, they can be locked up and the key thrown away, but its about the society, the society i live in, the one that rises above the evil and says we wont be brought down to your level.
Bring back the CHAIN GANG..
If the death penalty is inhumane, then would you say the same about executing people who committed genocide (Nazis etc)?
Some crimes are so heinous, that the criminals don't deserve to be called human, but monsters.
The death penalty isn't about morality, but about preventing criminals who don't regret their crimes from repeating their crimes.
Mabel exactly it kills me these lefties think murdering innocent little babies in the womb is okay. But oh we can't kill murders or dictators like the nazis how stupid is that.
The death penalty can in no way be considered punishment, since a punishment is something that you can learn something from. If you're dead, you aren't learning anything, you aren't paying the price of your actions, you are simply getting away from your problems. You're just another hypocrite.
They live years before death penalty is carried out and they pay the price of the stigma of being the worst if the worst.
You're just another hypocrite.
Death penalty deters some.
You could be the next statistic.
dude asks wrong questions.
if the DP costs too much then i sugges fighting to hurry up the process. there are also discrimination and fairness issues such in the jodi arias case. the ugly or black or scary looking males face death? yet an attractive person especially a female either goes free or does not face death while the ugly die? do we change the trials that "attractiveness experts' testify as if they consider the person pretty or not and should not face death?
A Debate is a two-sided argument. This is very one-sided. I know that there may be a clear side to support however if you watch a video for this trying to get answers for an educational question you may want what the video tells you its gonna be
If you have complete proof then whats the point of keeping sex offenders and murders alive?
They get out and have a likely good of doing things again.
Because when you're in an investigation, there's never 100% proof of something and sometimes those unknown things are the discovery of something very different from what we think. Which may lead to false accusations and death of innocent people.
capital punishment is wrong. they had two botched executions already one in Arizona and one in Oklahoma. the states should create more programs to reduce the crime rate, have more youth programs, etc. it may cost more but it will do good for the community and those who commit horrible crimes be punished. God gave us life and he can take away life.
You can create more youth programs. Pay for it.
Youth programs should be WORK.
Most Amish kids work.
Little child can work.
God's way is best.
I wonder if a person had a 5 year old daughter that never showed up to school and they found her 2 days later face down in a mud ditch with her throat slashed from ear to ear with her underwear pulled down and was raped, and they found the Animal that did it! I wonder if she would still be against the death penalty? They would say fry him. it's different when it's a love one!
Correct.
Death penalty deters some people.
They may be the next statistic.
Who are you to judge whether or not the criminals have a right to live? YOU are insignificant on that debate. Everybody has their own opinion, but in the end, nobody has any right to take any person's life from them, regardless of what that person has done. BTW, letting somebody "rot in jail" is not revenge. Doing to him/er what they did to their victim (aka murder) is revenge. Jail is punishment.
Capital punishment deters some people.
So ypu are okay with dictators or nazis who still believe the evil they dis is okay still being alive where they could do all this again. But you libs are okay with murdering kids backwards you guys are kill babies don't kill murders stupid.
Anyone can survive a death penalty
how?
Haha
So you'd rather these criminals become more of an expense to the taxpayers by forcing them to pay for the murderer's execution, which happens around 25 years after they first go to jail. So basically their "real punishment" (aka death) isn't served until 2 and a half decades later.
Also, do you pity these horrible criminals? Your comment shows you do. If you really think they should be punished, then you should be lobbying for them to not be killed. Execution takes away their pain and punishment
Executions do not do that.
@@endtimesareuponus8930 I wrote that comment 10 years ago 😂
@@Tiffacheez as if I don't know. Duh
Bring back the chain gang.
This is BS 5billion
First of all, calling me a "bitch" does nothing but weaken your argument, since you need to resort to such terms, so early on in your answer. Second, you know nothing about me, so assuming that I "know nothing about justice and penal system" is pure idiocy. For your information, I know much on these subjects, since the law is of great interest to me.
I read your comment above Jeff C and you seem to be saying that because something has been done in the past that justifies its continuance. I reject anything which makes this earth a hell on earth, and I can see nothing in what you are saying above which would justify capital punishment for those who are against anarchy and for genuine law and order. You have to undervalue the value of a single human being in order to go down the atheist and/or capital punishment road.
Thats whats wrong with the system!! Execute them that same year!!!! Why wait 26 yrs!!! its expensive because it takes so long appeal after appeal stop the damn appeals!!!
lol lol 😡 Take care! You might find yourself in such a situation even though you are innocent, given the poor level of legal representation in many capital cases. There is no return from the imposition of any death penalty, once it has been applied.
@@sirmeowthelibrarycat you may be the next statistic.
Death penalty deters some people who would otherwise murder.
Debate? What debate? Which country in their right mind would ever want to leave this exalted club: China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, United States, Yemen, North Korea, Somalia, Sudan, Bangladesh, Vietnam, South Sudan, Taiwan, Singapore, Palestine, Afghanistan, Belarus, Egypt, United Arab Emirates, Malaysia, Syria.
John Wu you could think like that but if you think about its different a killer killing someone in the spare of the moment or having a difficult back ground but the state think about for sometimes up to 30 years and are meant to behave as an example. Plus Im sure a lot of these people who got murdered didn't wait for 30 years in bad conditions and sometimes have a very painful 2 hour execution. And a lot of Americans thought that they deserved it for the the terrible things the have done, which is kind of medieval because your giving the person a worse punishment than what they did
Wr all have difficult backgrounds.
So should so and so kill you cause he had a difficult background?
Probably, according to you.
Wrong.
You're making many assumptions.
We need the chain gang.
Yes, it is fair. IF I ASK YOU. Why? Because you, along with most idiots, think he justice system is about avenging the wronged. It is not. It's about punishing those who have done wrong. It's sad to see all these people who believe that murder is completely fine, if you murder a murderer. My question to you: if you were to become a murderer, by killing somebody with the states' approval, would murdering you be wrong?
Capital punishment is just.
the death penalty does deter ..one at a time..
This guy has heterochromia iridum.
Capital Punishment Does Deter ,,,
whatever happened to eye for an eye people are mostly concerted for the murderer than the victim these days .. thats just plain wrong.
Hey when you end someones human rights ... why should you have your own..
An eye for an eye will only end up making the whole world blind
It isn't for others to decide when your life will end. This goes for everybody, criminals included. I am in no way saying murder is okay, however murdering a murderer makes you no less horrible than the original murderer.
You obviously don't stand for justice, but for revenge. It's a shame that there seem to be so many people like you in this world. A damn shame.
Do you know what happens to people in prison? They get raped. They get beat, sometimes til they die. That happens in mommy's corner?
I was all for the death penalty until I found out how many innocent ppl have been executed. I always assumed that they were all guilty, but no.
Very few.
None or almost none since our technology.
People need to realize it's not their choice to decide other people's deaths
Convince the murders of that !
There is an aggressive German shepherd in your neighborhood who barks day and night, and is shackled to a dog house to keep away pests, suddenly has it's chain snap. The dog decides to go rogue, and across the street is a cat sitting on the front porch. The dog runs across the street and chases the cat until it catches it by it's tail, and the dog bites the cat by it's neck. The cat shrieks as the dog flails it around until it goes silent and blood pours out of the cat's neck. You have your toddler playing outside, it is his 1st birthday and you are in the house planning the party and the dog clamps it's teeth down on your child's leg, as it drags it's head across the sharp pavement as your child let's off a blood curling scream. You rush outside and repeatedly kick the dog and snatch your child from it's tight jaws. You lock eyes with the dog and see a monster in the form of an animal, as the dog stares right through you. The dog growls and is ready to take back what's his. You see a rouge dog who tried to kill your child. Why would you spare it or take it to a kennel? It will only do it again, and again, and again. It needs to be put down.
Now imagine that dog as a person, who wrecked tens of lives including yours, being spoon fed, and getting luxuries like books, music, TV, living an ok life in prison out of your tax dollars. Dicipline for a vicious killer who will only do it again needs to be doubt with. Removed
GIVE THEM THE CHAIR!!!
First
Yes death penalty should be abolished. Criminals should be tortured
Honestly there's another point he does not cover which is trust in government and the legal system in the face of vested interest.
We've seen juvenile delinquent's sent to institutions because the judge was paid by the people running those institutions to increase the rate of sentencing...
How long before we find a judge decided to "play ball" and silence a guy some big shot decided was making too much noise.
This bit about "closure" for families is completely BS. Retribution is a brutish and primal impulse that needs to be done away with. The closest thing to the death penalty I would support would give the accused the choice of life in prison vs. death penalty. We need to start trying to rehabilitate criminals rather than punishing them.
You can rehabilitate them !
You help the murders.
Recidivism is next to zero for released murderers. Terrible argument.
People who're pro death penalty have no such logical thought process - they tend to be dishonest and heartless: basically the average republican when in full force pundit mode: that is a death penalty advocate. No amount of reality will convince them, because they simply son't care - as they show over and over again with every other issue at hand.
I find it disturbing that so many people still believe in the death penalty.
What if the executioner was appointed from a list of all those in favour of the death penalty? If you agree with it then why should you object to being the one to pull the switch? Why should the role be carried out by the same people over and over? Clearly you see it as a means of 'justice' so it shouldn't seem wrong to commit the act of taking their life yourself?
It would be interesting to see how many people would still maintain their support if that was the system in which they would actually be confronted with the reality of taking a life. It's easy now to support the death penalty when the most you'll ever come in contact with it is a statistic, a random name in the paper, a video on youtube, a mugshot of someone you never knew, never having to see or interact with the real person behind it all.
I would rather die than spend the 40 years of my life left to rot in prison. Just my opinion, I'm rather impatient.
John Wu I've seen a live execution. Trust me, you'd rather rot in prison than go into a chair that can pop your eyes out of your face.
Bo2 Reg Gunner they still do that? Whatever happened to poison?
Kevin I would take the life of a murderer myself if they killed my wife
Kevin also prison could be worse in some cases
This is opinion not fact
1. Risk of innocent people getting executed is much higher than expected - No quantification of this was given. It is a numbers game and there is a risk in everything. True it needs to be used only when the evidence is overwhelming and this could be legislated.(eg: only allowed when the jury is unanimous about guilty verdict and at the discretion of the judge)
2. Does not deter - I disagree but it is not the main reason for the death penalty - The main reason is cost - It saves money and allow the state to spend money on healthcare and saving lives - It costs a huge amount to look after these scumbags. So why is the death penalty expensive to enforce? Because there are so many dogooders obstructing the process - so many appeals and lawyers on nice fat fees.
I'll give you the names of just 5 Englishmen , Fred West, Roy Whitting, Ian Brady, Ian Huntley and Robert Black, I don't need to go into detail about their crimes, just google them. What i will say is that each of them were responsible for the rape, torture, murder and burial of numerous children, mostly innocent little girls, anyone who thinks that these fucking monsters can , or should be re habilitated is a sick Liberal apologist, why the fuck should these animals be kept alive to have three hot meals a day, tv's and warm beds and to sit on there arses doing nothing , while decent people have to work long hours , just to survive, i , for one would gladly pull the lever to watch these fucking vile shit bags fry to death.
I dont like this guy... "WHAT ABOUT THAT MR. FUNG?" OJ Case. He is VERY smart.