Excellent panel, it's a pity we only had 30 mins of presentation. Lots of good points, but the last discussion about traditional masculinity now being considered a pathology was, to me, the most important. The damage to women done by the progressive movement is well-documented, here and elsewhere, but we must not lose sight of the damage it does to men, as well.
@@IK7. The APA, -- the American Psychological Association. APA GUIDELINES for Psychological Practice with Boys and Men (August, 2018) www.apa.org/about/policy/boys-men-practice-guidelines.pdf
We mothers love our sons. We don't know what it is to grow up as a boy, but that does not imply that we think they are toxic. My son is awesome, a wonderful father to his daughter.
It's so nice to hear this. I've been commenting back on some posts of another video where everyone is talking about how toxic men are and that's just how they are there's nothing to be done about it all men are the same - a lot of this coming from men - and I have a serious issue being lumped in with people that weren't raised right like I must be the same as them because we share sexual organs. I think it's an intellectually lazy approach to the conversation and I think as long as we perpetuate these stereotypes and telling young boys they're going to grow up to be mindless apes ruled by hormones with no ability to control themselves that's exactly what we'll get. I compare it to telling black people they're oppressed whether or not they are or believe themselves to be.
@@jadenemet4527 agree. I am blessed with a great husband who is a very caring and involved father. Our youngest child is a son currently 16 and already 6'2". Its been interesting to realize how little I understand male puberty! He definitely has reacted differently than our girls (and not just because they are different personalities) due to his biology in various ways. He has a girlfriend who he treats really well (she is older than him but in the same grade). Growing up with a dad who is always very respectful of the women in the household helps I am sure. Alao he obviously has always talked with his sisters and so doesn't think girls are in some way radically different from him. He isn't intimidated because one of his sisters in particular has always been a very close friend to him. She is the most high energy and athletic in the family and dragged him into everything with her when he was little.
@@viviennedunbar3374 how a boy sees other men treat his mother and how he sees his mother treat his father has a huge influence over how he will relate to and expect to be treated by a romantic interest in the future.
I'm glad you mentioned this too, because you mentioned love. These conferences are so theoretical and analytical (and discursive) the only mentions of feelings have been from what we could decipher from those personal testimonies. I'm sure these people have kaleidescopic erudition. But you're talking about something completely different.
I think formative experiences with our closest care givers are hugely influential. I've always seen masculinity as more protective than threatening because that is how it was presented to me through the behaviour of males in my family.
Yes! To me masculinity it also meant responsibility, integrity, and care - even sacrifice - for the sake of the family. Father's care takes different expression than mother's care, it _feels_ and _is_ different, but it's care as well.
I agree Joane and I also think that is an important aspect of parenthood generally, which is self-sacrifice. Any responsible parent will put their child first when the child clearly has needs that must be met (especially as babies and small children). It’s irresponsible for us as a society to not talk honestly about that and of course it helps with our maturation as adults, we HAVE to become less narcissistic and willing to put others first to be a loving and competent spouse and parent. But there are also rewards with that because you are building a family, a legacy and are in long term project together which is very satisfying although challenging. That’s why a sense of humour and ability to be flexible and roll with life’s punches helps us all grow.
I know that my ex-husband, who suddenly claimed female identity after our second son was born, needed a very different therapy. He got "affirmation," on the first appointment. He imagines that the pain of the surgeries he had imitate the experience of labor, thus, give him the "right" to claim he's 'mother' of our sons. He to this day, claims to have had my contractions.
@@hnybee113 The body dissociation of "gender dysphoria" reads just like PTSD. But with obsessive ideations of running away from one's sex. Detransitioners often talk about the traumas they experienced, sexual assault, physical abuse, trauma of grief, which is the same as anyone. When it enters into the sexual realm of orientation/identity, the therapists ignore the signs and origins, which will not go away. There's a false euphoria, combined with huge entitlements to "affirmation" after the treatments, but that fades.
@BenjaminABoyce I am a doctor. I have recommended these videos to friends in the health professions , philosophers and others in Australia. Thankyou for this series.
Very much appreciated the commentary about Rohld Dahls characters vs what we have now. The interesting, oft missed wise aspect of the depressed superhero who "has it all" is that having it all, is not all there is.
I have loved hearing the insights from these two Genspect discussions. I am a mother of a son with strong sympathies to trans & a daughter who is more comfortable in the company of males. To me they & their friends are androgynous & should be allowed to be neutral without intervention during the formative years. One thing young people don't have is the perspective of time & that all things can change. My personal concern is that mothers, women & girls are the targets for blame, resentment & appropriation of our identity & spaces and expected to accept all the consequences of social dysphoria. When will men step up & take a share of responsibility & concern in this issue?
I love that sentence: "One thing that young people don't have is the perspective of time & that all things can change." That's a frame-able put on your wall poster imo. At 22, I married my hb of (now) 48 years. At 27, I made a decision I have life long regret around it, but stayed. At 33, 2 kids in tow, "perfect" family picture. I was finally content. By 40, I was way more attracted sexually to women than I was to men. I'd always been heavily hetero. I stayed. At 55, I moved to a small rural village with my family. I had a significant job-role within the community. I met heaps of women (the lesbian subset) who'd experienced that pattern. But they left at age 40 (approximately). I stayed with my hb. Nobody talks about changes over a lifetime - I suspect as hormones shift. I was up the higher than usual testorone levels end of the distribution curve at age 32 (saw an endocrinologist for hirsuitism) though very fertile & regular periods. Took the Pill for one year age 21. It effected my mood and personality so much I didn't feel "like myself" I stopped and never took it again. Nobody is talking about hormone levels & hormone shifts over a lifetime. I'm now 70.
@alicerose9140 I share your concern of blaming the mothers. And I agree, men should step up more. I see - on a social scale - men relinquishing the responsibilities for the family, children, other people in a society. It's like they're expecting - in a metaphorical sense - that they'll be held by hand by their mothers, and that their needs be served like to a boy who doesn't yet need take the responsibility. I don't mean it in a literal sense, but symbolically. It's a mentality, and the 'holding of mother's hand' here is just a symbol of being a passive dependent rather than the active co-creator/contributor/provider, someone who's responsible for the society, and - very important, perhaps the most - not only for themselves alone, but others as well.
@@joane24 I think the human institutions which steer men into responsibility and challenge, such as religion have been left in the dust by modern theories but as a result we have a lot of “lost boys” because men don’t feel responsible for them. I have been happily married 27 years and we are both Catholic. In Catholic circles being a good husband and caring and loving father who provides for his family Carrie’s a lot of social status and encouragement. Catholic men are also struggling just as many man are in our society but we have a spirituality and role models such as Saints who have achieved amazing things through sacrifice, work, virtue and concern for others. We also have a tradition of men’s groups (and women’s groups) in various forms that can be taken up again or remade for the 21st century. The community is also a conduit for men to just make friends and acquaintances and do things like play basketball, have a beer, do a theological study etc. etc. with me who have have similar values and commitment to their marriage and families. This also can be very hard to find outside faith communities. I also want to say as a Catholic I have been having lots of conversations with other Catholics about the fact that rigid role models can steer some children towards transgender ideology if they are not encouraged to understand that people aren’t stereotypes and there as many ways to be male and female as people. I don’t know any rigid Catholic parents personally, but I do encourage us all to think about making sure that kids know they are loved and accepted, we all have many interest and personalities. My own husband although a medic also love all kinds of creative activities: making clothes, candles, soap, wine, he can sew and knit and also fix cars and is and amazing problem solver. He is also very hands-on with housework and doesn’t expect certain tasks to be delegated to me or to him unless we are both happy with that. As a teenager he had green hair, thrifted his clothes and customized them and built cars and scooters. I absolutely agree that boys need to understand masculinity isn’t one thing and that we can have a range of interests and personalities and it doesn’t mean we are the opposite sex.
@@viviennedunbar3374 I totally fully agree, you beautifully wrote it. Btw I'm Catholic as well🙂 I was also greatly inspired by the theology of the body and other writings of JPII and the respect they convey towards human sexuality and the complementary role of the two sexes. It's indeed not about rigid traditional roles - and many of these externals are culturally informed - but about something deeper, how we realize ourselves in the world, what are our sensitivities, our our gifts, ways in we can express our love and care as a woman and as a man. Equal in dignity, complementary in biology.
I too have noticed this trend of blaming women for everything negative in our society. It's another form of brainwashing that will have a very dangerous effect both for men and women. I am now 60 and i have seen how horribly attitudes have changed between men and women. They are seeing eachother as the enemy. The crazy,loud mouth radical feminists have done untold damage to both sexes.
Very interesting point about relating to his mother. I also couldn't really see myself being anything like my father when I got older. It wasn't even an option. I thought of my natural progression being like my mother's. That I'd be grow up to be a young woman who had a respectable administrative job, like my mom. It was also pure escapism, and the idea of growing up into a woman was an unbelievably powerful idea in my mind. I now feel so settled into this feminine role, that I barely question it anymore. If we could put all this trans stuff back into Pandora's Box, that would be ideal, but that probably can't happen for a while.
I really appreciated the questioner who tied in the rise of anorexia in men and who suggested that healing begins with the body----working with and not against the physical body that you're given. It seems to me that medical transition, like anorexia, is essentially aggression against one's own body.
Brilliant. I wish the panel had had more of a chance to offer last words though the last three women didn't have questions did they, just statements. But as mum to boys I found it all really helpful, thank you x
Yes. The only people that associate the world "masculinity" with violence and dominance are feminists (not all, of course). This word should always be associated with personal responsibility, brotherhood, self-reliance and search for order. There are other words to criticize abusive behavior in either sex.
That's why political activists have used the term. The real goal is to weakne masculinity as a force in society. Strong masculinity protects society from harm. This gets in the way of having the government do it
I feel it does the opposite: it makes it clear that there’s nothing wrong with masculinity per se but a certain type of masculinity, specifically masculinity that is toxic, should be stopped/addressed aka men who are sexually coercive, for example. If people had a problem with all of masculinity they wouldn’t say “let’s address toxic masculinity” they’d say “let’s address masculinity.” I think people who claim to have problems with the term “toxic masculinity” are kind of burying their head in the sand about the issue of how physical and sexual aggression is so much more common among men than women. What would you prefer people say? “Let’s address the issue of male sexual coercion and violence being framed by men as a healthy or normal part of masculinity?” That’s fine by me! Just kinda wordy.
Lots of interesting points here. I thought what that woman from the audience said at the end made a lot of sense. Devaluating (is that a word?) the feminine and then switching round and devaluing the masculine.
The traditional male path of being a husband, father, provider and protector became economically impossible for a large portion of the population and women were told that they should not want that.
I think males avoided the traditional family too. You did not want to get held down or back by a woman 10-20 years ago. If a woman wanted to date to start a family she would be avoided and considered baby-cracy. I thought so too. Males would tease eachother for being caught by a woman - not kindly. As if he had lost some of his manhood. For woman that wanted a family it was a silent game of pretending it was just casual and hope the man would stick around for long enough. A lot of woman were told by the older generations they shouldn't become dependent on a man because men might leave their familie and as a woman you should get a good education first - to be a better provider if the man left or have the ability to leave if the man became abusive. It was considered wisdom - for the kids sake. I hope people starts to value family life more. Not as a nessesary constalation but as sound base for kids and them selves. A partnership, a team of two. No kings or queens to rule them all. But how do people avoid repeating the mistakes of the earlier generations. Marriages can be a safe home - a place to grow, as well as a place of abuse, manipulation and exploitation and even a cage you cannot escape.
Men being a provider doesn't mean he has to be the _sole_ financial provider. It's more about living by certain values, morality, integrity, of being the father to one's children and husband to the wife. The economic aspect is only the superficial layer, what matter more are the deeper values.
No I think women, being autonomous living organisms, have always fought against being controlled. And being in a social system where you are financially dependent on men in a capitalist society means you are fundamentally not free, which is intolerable to varying degrees to women. Women “leaned in” at work and out of the home to have more freedom, and more enjoyable, fulfilling and balanced lives but it really hasn’t worked well bc men haven’t lean out at work and in in the home at all. I believe 2 years of paid parental leave would ensure both greater female social equality, and more stable and successful home lives. But ultimately men have to choose to compromise on more of their personal goals and career dreams for women to want to bother marrying them at all. Women will never go back to living under unequal partnerships.
I think you also have to take into account that many have seen women being entrapped by the economic aspect of their marriages even after the kids have grown up. Daughters that see this think better save than sorry, so even if they find a wonderful husband, they will always have at the back of their minds the image of their mothers and always prefer to have a plan b than no plan at all.
Great discussion mostly. We all need to relax the boundaries around sexual/gender roles and stereotypes and have human experiences, whilst respecting the differences btw genders
That comment at the beginning about a 60 year old man getting with a 20 ish year old woman, or just a woman in her 20s in general, a good reason as to not encourage such a very large relationship age gap. You're an old man/woman and you're past your prime. You're barely able to perform the duties as a father to your child. All he or she sees is someo who ought to be their grandfather, not the masculine role model that they need. Leave the youth to marry one another, they're the ones who are supposed to be continuing the family and continuing society's population growth.
I love Benjamin Boyce and what seems to be this principle of non-prescriptive judgment. I don't know what you should do but I can definitely draw boundaries around what you probably shouldn't do.
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43:32 my question was of course a difficult one. I believe we need to go back to basics, start with the body you have, Marcus says we should push through the fantasy and envy of being something else. I agree. But begin with the body you have!! (That’s me asking the question) 😅
The river anology is a great one. There are 2 shores. If youre standing on one side you can never resch the other. Your options are to stay where you are or forever by caught in the middle of the river
Finally someone bringing up psychoanalysis, that bad influences have been acknowledged. However it's not simple to sort through the stuff. But from the many accounts, one can form a picture and compere oneself against it.
There actually is an answer to Helen Joyce's question that I doesn't seem to come up - there is actually multiple new presentations of male transition/gender non-conformity. They're not all well-defined or spoken about, but I would direct your attention to the heterosexual "trans maxxer" - the incel male who partly transitions to attract the attention of radical liberal women. It's basically a dating strategy, but in some cases they get railroaded into completing the transition.
How gender was taught in the past was very interesting. Though I'm not sure there was a girl crisis in the 90s, at least not where I grew up. I got the message that as a girl, I can do what I want (i.e. play how I want, have whatever interests, etc.), and about equality in the sense that girls weren't in any way worse than boys, or had less rights than boys. So I never felt any worse or less privileged as a girl. I felt (as a child, I'm talking about the cultural messaging I received) that I can study what I want and have any profession I profession I want. I didn't have the messaging that I hear today from many young women/girls that 'being a woman is terrible, we're always oppressed, our bodies are so terrible because we get periods and get pregnant which is the end of the world', none of that negative messaging. Personally, I also always liked being a girl because girls/women are 'the prettier sex' and I was always happy about being that. Also, we didn't have internet and young kids didn't have such an easy exposure and access to pornography as today, that would distort and deviate our self-image and make us feel anxious and objectified and sexually degraded (as in pornographic depictions of women) just for being a female.
I've noticed a lot of that recently too. I don't believe women and girls actually feel like that. I think they are just using martyrdom to get one over the tras whose whole agenda is seeped in martyrdom. Not healthy though. Negativity is rife all round though.
I can’t overstate how bad it is to be a woman who grew up as a girl on the internet. Being on the internet as a girl was like being in a male locker room since I was 13. I’ve seen and heard men talk about and treat women in ways that has shaped my relationship with men and myself as a woman for the worse on a fundamental level. Then sometimes I feel like at least I know what men really think about us when they think they can be unguarded. I’d say I have a total lack of trust and respect for most men bc of these interactions.
@@ejd5261 Thank you for sharing that. I haven't thought about that aspect. I've been thinking how an easy access to porn in very young age influences the girls safe-hate and sense of insecurity (because they might see how women are treated or when they don't watch it themselves, their male peers do and that changes how they treat girls or what they expect; that's what I was thinking). From what you're saying it's also witnessing the male nasty communication has this powerful (negative) effect. I totally believe you, how traumatizing it can be, especially when we're young we're still learning and making the sense of the world and others. I can't stand these types of comments as an adult, I can't imagine witnessing all that as a young girl, it must have been crushing. I personally grew up more idealistic in the sense of romantic connections.
@@joane24 Exactly! Porn, dehumanizing rhetoric, videos of violence against women, general disdain, being constantly dismissed and insulted. It was a rough experience.
I saw in the info this was the second of three panels, but it would have been helpful if there had been a little verbal introduction for us viewers as to who we are listening to, and a little about them and why everyone was here. I spent most of the video wondering who, what, why etc - who were these people, what was the reason for the gathering, who were the audience, and why were they there.
Ben... you were in my home town?!?! I've been watching you for years from several different countries... you should have said.😅😅😅😅 I would have flown over. 😂
Excellent statement made by the commentor at the end. 54:22 Its unfortunate that the speaker after her, didn't appear to listen or consider her comment at all based on his response.
Those kinds of groups could ALWAYS stay single sex if they wanted to in the UK, they just had to agree not to accept government funding. Some, like the Boys Brigade, did this, lots of others went down the route which had now led us to the GenderBorg.
Gosh just posted about the boy scouts!! Story of woman who was asked about her boy's gender and told them he was a pirate ( since he happened to be dressed as a pirate at the time) Dusty
Trans woman here. A few things: my being trans is NOT a rebellion against my parents! I transitioned in my fourties, and so was fully grown. Also, both of my dads had passed away by that point, so, again, NOT a rebellion. Next, my bio dad was there for the first few years of my life and, after that, the man I called dad was there, all the time, for the rest of his life. So, for the most part, I had a wonderful male role model growing up, as did my cis-ter. Also, while I could never say for certain, I truly believe that Corinna wil, at some future date, once again transition to a woman. Again, one can never be certain. However, it is, statistically, what is most likely to happen. I say this because, as I understand it, the rate at which detransitioners retransition is, I believe, somewhere in rhe high 90s, percentage wise. (98% or 99%, I think)
Great panel and useful comments from everyone: Miranda about men being more accepting feminine men, and Benjamin about trying to hear out AGPS and having comment meltdowns from some rad-fems that don't acknowledge the pain some boys/young men are in, in regard to their confusion about who they are as young males.
Very interesting discussion. Thanks. I would like to recommend another video on this topic to anyone who is interested. It is unfortunately yet another harrowing account of a sensitive boy bullied at school and "affirmed" as "Trans" quite a few years ago. The video is called My Detransition Story: The dark truth behind gender dysphoria and transition regret by Alexander L. This young man has taken the brave and selfless decision to bare all of what happened to him ( transitioning m to f) and transitioning back again as far as he can, and how he now feels about it in light of the irreversible nature of many aspects He states that he is exhausted after posting the video, and so may not be up for being part of anything else or being interviewed. He has clearly given his all in this and needs some recovery time. However I would urge your viewers to watch it and to realise how important this issue is.
Love to you all im so sorry that u all got pulled into things and then not getting any help trying to put it all in order. A puzzel that all the pieces and the corners are not in the right spots. Have respect for one another and repect for men being respectfull to woman and women having respect for themselves so men can can have respectfor all the things that women feel and do .bottom line Gods kids just want to beloved and cared and treated with kindness. Jesus is the answer lord give us wisdome and oh such love and understanding in one another. Look into peoples eyes it tells u alot. Thank you for ur bravery coming forth and telling how rough and sometimes feeling like you cant put one foot infront of the other. God bless you all. Thank you god watch over each and every one of this kids and love them and protect them Give God a try it wont disappoint you. God bless.move forward .
@@Gingerblaze I would say it has a love-hate relationship with the gender binary. Transgender is binary-phobic, transsexual is binary-philic, but the person wants to be the the other sex. Gender activism is anti-social. Transsexuals want to fit in. Transgender folks want attention. Trans activists want power.
Do men think they will turn toxic because they have been exposed to/consumed pornography from a relatively young age? Does that factor in feelings of shame or being afraid of their developing male identity? Particularly if they don’t have a good decent strong father or other male mentor in their life. Do they think they might become an abuser? Seriously if they are learning that men dominate, abuse, humiliate etc through porn, it would figure they try to run from it.
Most parents/people do their best. Some set out to harm/ be indifferent but they are a small minority. Accepting your parents' faults, understanding that they also were born into a particular time, place, family, point in history etc with certain genetics is part of becoming and maturing into adulthood imo. Recognising that we have heaps more knowledge of psychology, hormones, behaviour, sex and much more access to that knowledge would also help younger people. We just didn't know.
This confusion is a direct result of humanity's (at large and the individuals) rejection of God, the Creator of the world and human beings. The Bible clearly tells men and women who they are. Firstly, all people are created in God's image, i.e., in His loving character, righteousness, goodness, wisdom. To reject God (the only true God of the Bible) is to reject one's identity which then leaves one open to grasp for what a godless, spiritually lost world says about who/what they ought to identify with/as. Secondly, all people are created with a purpose, i.e., no one is created aimless without a destiny; God has a plan for everyone. That plan includes how one ought to live life according to how God has designed life to be lived. To reject God is to reject His design and become open to any errant philosophy that the world (of whom the Bible says Satan, the devil, is the false "god" over) asserts. No one who knows God, i.e., belongs to Him through faith in His Son Jesus, could ever come to believe in and embrace this evil ideology of not only transgenderism but, at the root, also homosexualality. To reject God is to, by default, accept Satan as one's "god" and ruler. And Satan has nothing good (nothing at all) to offer to anyone. Many things (abuse, neglect, abandonment of parental roles) contribute to confusion of identity and purpose. But, the Bible also says that people love darkness (sin/any & all things that put enmity between them and their Creator God) rather than light (righteousness, holiness/faith in & committment to Jesus Christ). Humanity is sinful and have desires that are bent inherently towards sin and sinful behaviors. Because of sin, humanity is easily given over to/embrace sin; loving sin and ever desiring to be autonomous/separate from, not ruled over by their Creator. The truth is that we were not created for spiritual autonomy. We are ruled over by either God in righteousness or Satan in wickedness. There are no middle grounds. Even when we, through deception, believe we're ruling over ourselves/lives, we are, by default, being ruled over by Satan who birth within us this desire to not be ruled over by God. It all goes back to the beginning of Adam's and Eve's first sin, i.e., disobedience to, and rejection of God's plan. Believe it or not, but the truth is that all (every person) are caught up in this sinful existence and the only way out is through the salvation offered by God Himself, through faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior from (all) sin, i.e., sin's rule over one. The Bible calls for repentance, i.e., turn away (reject) from our sinful nature (godless desires/behaviors), which leads to confusion, destructive living, and eternal death (eternal separation from God in hell), and turn towards God, (His love and holy righteousness) which leads to purposeful life on earth and eternal life with Him in heaven.
Man, all I can think is, God you were right. Your always right. You made, and it was good. But we decided we new better. We decided we were going to play with the structure of reality. And now people are hurt, disfigured, lost. But God you are merciful, and full of grace, and we would just return to you, with all our heart, you promised to heal, to cure, to fix. And the best part, this isn't all there is , and when we move over to the other life, we are restored and made even better than before.and I trust and believe you, cause I've seen you move in the world and in my own life. Jesus christ, king of kings and Lord of Lords! You no why hes called the savior? Just take a look, its in the book, reading rainbow!
@@MsMounen an actual toxic male? It's usually the types that aren't ok with themselves for having certain physical traits like small penis, short stature or baldness. They're like disgruntled employees of their own body and display alot of generally negative social behavior
How did you get that from this panel? They spent nearly the entire time discussing the difficulty that males often have navigating social identity as males.
@00:37:01 if RadFems are willing to concede that they’ve created this Genderqueer Golem which is attacking them, you might be able to get them to understand that the groupthink in RadFem circles are Marxian (inconveniently buttbirthed by some dead man) (but the self aggrandising potential is so exciting -if only free shit billed to others could finally come true) You might discover yourself engrossed in a nonconsensual game of whack’em-all™ Suffice it to say: the accusation of being the “epitome of disgusting filth” & therefore the ultimate exemplification of *disposability of men Enforcement of standards (or even laws, in current year) redistributed down to putdowns in disgust, mustn’t surprise you. However “the crowds” have in fact completely shattered your trust. The manly response; muscle through/ soldier on 🤔
Excellent panel, it's a pity we only had 30 mins of presentation. Lots of good points, but the last discussion about traditional masculinity now being considered a pathology was, to me, the most important. The damage to women done by the progressive movement is well-documented, here and elsewhere, but we must not lose sight of the damage it does to men, as well.
Very much so! Young men in their mid 20s to mid 30s now, facing serious identity crisis.
> ½hour for boys
> practically 4hours for gals
I suspect data collection on this would be extraordinarily revealing
Traditional masculinity is considered a pathology? By who and where!?
@@IK7. The APA, -- the American Psychological Association.
APA GUIDELINES for Psychological Practice with Boys and Men (August, 2018)
www.apa.org/about/policy/boys-men-practice-guidelines.pdf
We mothers love our sons. We don't know what it is to grow up as a boy, but that does not imply that we think they are toxic. My son is awesome, a wonderful father to his daughter.
It's so nice to hear this. I've been commenting back on some posts of another video where everyone is talking about how toxic men are and that's just how they are there's nothing to be done about it all men are the same - a lot of this coming from men - and I have a serious issue being lumped in with people that weren't raised right like I must be the same as them because we share sexual organs. I think it's an intellectually lazy approach to the conversation and I think as long as we perpetuate these stereotypes and telling young boys they're going to grow up to be mindless apes ruled by hormones with no ability to control themselves that's exactly what we'll get. I compare it to telling black people they're oppressed whether or not they are or believe themselves to be.
@@jadenemet4527 agree. I am blessed with a great husband who is a very caring and involved father. Our youngest child is a son currently 16 and already 6'2". Its been interesting to realize how little I understand male puberty! He definitely has reacted differently than our girls (and not just because they are different personalities) due to his biology in various ways. He has a girlfriend who he treats really well (she is older than him but in the same grade). Growing up with a dad who is always very respectful of the women in the household helps I am sure. Alao he obviously has always talked with his sisters and so doesn't think girls are in some way radically different from him. He isn't intimidated because one of his sisters in particular has always been a very close friend to him. She is the most high energy and athletic in the family and dragged him into everything with her when he was little.
@@viviennedunbar3374 how a boy sees other men treat his mother and how he sees his mother treat his father has a huge influence over how he will relate to and expect to be treated by a romantic interest in the future.
Well said & I agree 100%
I'm glad you mentioned this too, because you mentioned love. These conferences are so theoretical and analytical (and discursive) the only mentions of feelings have been from what we could decipher from those personal testimonies. I'm sure these people have kaleidescopic erudition. But you're talking about something completely different.
I think formative experiences with our closest care givers are hugely influential. I've always seen masculinity as more protective than threatening because that is how it was presented to me through the behaviour of males in my family.
Yes! To me masculinity it also meant responsibility, integrity, and care - even sacrifice - for the sake of the family. Father's care takes different expression than mother's care, it _feels_ and _is_ different, but it's care as well.
I agree Joane and I also think that is an important aspect of parenthood generally, which is self-sacrifice. Any responsible parent will put their child first when the child clearly has needs that must be met (especially as babies and small children). It’s irresponsible for us as a society to not talk honestly about that and of course it helps with our maturation as adults, we HAVE to become less narcissistic and willing to put others first to be a loving and competent spouse and parent. But there are also rewards with that because you are building a family, a legacy and are in long term project together which is very satisfying although challenging. That’s why a sense of humour and ability to be flexible and roll with life’s punches helps us all grow.
I know that my ex-husband, who suddenly claimed female identity after our second son was born, needed a very different therapy. He got "affirmation," on the first appointment. He imagines that the pain of the surgeries he had imitate the experience of labor, thus, give him the "right" to claim he's 'mother' of our sons. He to this day, claims to have had my contractions.
I'm sorry. I can't imagine how hard that must be.
Wtf
I'm so sorry 😢
If that's not "Gender Dysphoria" I don't know what to say. SMH. It all starts with trauma.
@@hnybee113 The body dissociation of "gender dysphoria" reads just like PTSD. But with obsessive ideations of running away from one's sex. Detransitioners often talk about the traumas they experienced, sexual assault, physical abuse, trauma of grief, which is the same as anyone. When it enters into the sexual realm of orientation/identity, the therapists ignore the signs and origins, which will not go away. There's a false euphoria, combined with huge entitlements to "affirmation" after the treatments, but that fades.
Really hope Benjamin uploads more videos from the conference. These panels are so interesting.
More will be posted at www.youtube.com/@Genspect
@BenjaminABoyce I am a doctor. I have recommended these videos to friends in the health professions , philosophers and others in Australia. Thankyou for this series.
You’re most welcome, Janet!
@@Knight-s2o thank you! From a lady in Australia!!! THANK YOU!!
Thanks all. Very interesting discussion.
Interesting how Corinna says he eventually realised he was never going to 'reach the other bank.'
Dusty
That was such a beautiful analogy. Returning to the same shore having changed during the journey.
Very much appreciated the commentary about Rohld Dahls characters vs what we have now.
The interesting, oft missed wise aspect of the depressed superhero who "has it all" is that having it all, is not all there is.
I have loved hearing the insights from these two Genspect discussions. I am a mother of a son with strong sympathies to trans & a daughter who is more comfortable in the company of males. To me they & their friends are androgynous & should be allowed to be neutral without intervention during the formative years. One thing young people don't have is the perspective of time & that all things can change. My personal concern is that mothers, women & girls are the targets for blame, resentment & appropriation of our identity & spaces and expected to accept all the consequences of social dysphoria. When will men step up & take a share of responsibility & concern in this issue?
I love that sentence: "One thing that young people don't have is the perspective of time & that all things can change." That's a frame-able put on your wall poster imo.
At 22, I married my hb of (now) 48 years.
At 27, I made a decision I have life long regret around it, but stayed.
At 33, 2 kids in tow, "perfect" family picture. I was finally content.
By 40, I was way more attracted sexually to women than I was to men. I'd always been heavily hetero. I stayed.
At 55, I moved to a small rural village with my family. I had a significant job-role within the community.
I met heaps of women (the lesbian subset) who'd experienced that pattern. But they left at age 40 (approximately). I stayed with my hb.
Nobody talks about changes over a lifetime - I suspect as hormones shift. I was up the higher than usual testorone levels end of the distribution curve at age 32 (saw an endocrinologist for hirsuitism) though very fertile & regular periods. Took the Pill for one year age 21. It effected my mood and personality so much I didn't feel "like myself" I stopped and never took it again. Nobody is talking about hormone levels & hormone shifts over a lifetime. I'm now 70.
@alicerose9140 I share your concern of blaming the mothers. And I agree, men should step up more.
I see - on a social scale - men relinquishing the responsibilities for the family, children, other people in a society. It's like they're expecting - in a metaphorical sense - that they'll be held by hand by their mothers, and that their needs be served like to a boy who doesn't yet need take the responsibility.
I don't mean it in a literal sense, but symbolically. It's a mentality, and the 'holding of mother's hand' here is just a symbol of being a passive dependent rather than the active co-creator/contributor/provider, someone who's responsible for the society, and - very important, perhaps the most - not only for themselves alone, but others as well.
@@joane24 I think the human institutions which steer men into responsibility and challenge, such as religion have been left in the dust by modern theories but as a result we have a lot of “lost boys” because men don’t feel responsible for them. I have been happily married 27 years and we are both Catholic. In Catholic circles being a good husband and caring and loving father who provides for his family Carrie’s a lot of social status and encouragement. Catholic men are also struggling just as many man are in our society but we have a spirituality and role models such as Saints who have achieved amazing things through sacrifice, work, virtue and concern for others. We also have a tradition of men’s groups (and women’s groups) in various forms that can be taken up again or remade for the 21st century. The community is also a conduit for men to just make friends and acquaintances and do things like play basketball, have a beer, do a theological study etc. etc. with me who have have similar values and commitment to their marriage and families. This also can be very hard to find outside faith communities. I also want to say as a Catholic I have been having lots of conversations with other Catholics about the fact that rigid role models can steer some children towards transgender ideology if they are not encouraged to understand that people aren’t stereotypes and there as many ways to be male and female as people. I don’t know any rigid Catholic parents personally, but I do encourage us all to think about making sure that kids know they are loved and accepted, we all have many interest and personalities. My own husband although a medic also love all kinds of creative activities: making clothes, candles, soap, wine, he can sew and knit and also fix cars and is and amazing problem solver. He is also very hands-on with housework and doesn’t expect certain tasks to be delegated to me or to him unless we are both happy with that. As a teenager he had green hair, thrifted his clothes and customized them and built cars and scooters. I absolutely agree that boys need to understand masculinity isn’t one thing and that we can have a range of interests and personalities and it doesn’t mean we are the opposite sex.
@@viviennedunbar3374 I totally fully agree, you beautifully wrote it. Btw I'm Catholic as well🙂 I was also greatly inspired by the theology of the body and other writings of JPII and the respect they convey towards human sexuality and the complementary role of the two sexes. It's indeed not about rigid traditional roles - and many of these externals are culturally informed - but about something deeper, how we realize ourselves in the world, what are our sensitivities, our our gifts, ways in we can express our love and care as a woman and as a man. Equal in dignity, complementary in biology.
I too have noticed this trend of blaming women for everything negative in our society. It's another form of brainwashing that will have a very dangerous effect both for men and women. I am now 60 and i have seen how horribly attitudes have changed between men and women. They are seeing eachother as the enemy. The crazy,loud mouth radical feminists have done untold damage to both sexes.
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Very interesting point about relating to his mother. I also couldn't really see myself being anything like my father when I got older. It wasn't even an option. I thought of my natural progression being like my mother's. That I'd be grow up to be a young woman who had a respectable administrative job, like my mom.
It was also pure escapism, and the idea of growing up into a woman was an unbelievably powerful idea in my mind. I now feel so settled into this feminine role, that I barely question it anymore. If we could put all this trans stuff back into Pandora's Box, that would be ideal, but that probably can't happen for a while.
Great conversation. Thank you for sharing!
There's a difference between vilifying young people and being bullied into affirming and supporting the authorities as they delude our children.
I really appreciated the questioner who tied in the rise of anorexia in men and who suggested that healing begins with the body----working with and not against the physical body that you're given. It seems to me that medical transition, like anorexia, is essentially aggression against one's own body.
Love the shirt Adult Human Weirdo.
Brilliant. I wish the panel had had more of a chance to offer last words though the last three women didn't have questions did they, just statements.
But as mum to boys I found it all really helpful, thank you x
I don't like the term toxic masculinity. It gets used to imply that masculinity itself is toxic. Violent, cold, and abusive people come in either sex.
Yes. The only people that associate the world "masculinity" with violence and dominance are feminists (not all, of course). This word should always be associated with personal responsibility, brotherhood, self-reliance and search for order. There are other words to criticize abusive behavior in either sex.
Absolutely! You don’t hear “ toxic femininity “ as often , and we Know it is like violence , a 50/50 split!
Absolutely. I've known some really toxic women... if toxic masculinity is a thing, then definitely toxic femininity is up there too.
That's why political activists have used the term. The real goal is to weakne masculinity as a force in society. Strong masculinity protects society from harm. This gets in the way of having the government do it
I feel it does the opposite: it makes it clear that there’s nothing wrong with masculinity per se but a certain type of masculinity, specifically masculinity that is toxic, should be stopped/addressed aka men who are sexually coercive, for example. If people had a problem with all of masculinity they wouldn’t say “let’s address toxic masculinity” they’d say “let’s address masculinity.” I think people who claim to have problems with the term “toxic masculinity” are kind of burying their head in the sand about the issue of how physical and sexual aggression is so much more common among men than women. What would you prefer people say? “Let’s address the issue of male sexual coercion and violence being framed by men as a healthy or normal part of masculinity?” That’s fine by me! Just kinda wordy.
Great conversation! I wish there was more time for Q&A. In particular, I'm curious what Alasdair was going to say around 51:38.
Lots of interesting points here. I thought what that woman from the audience said at the end made a lot of sense. Devaluating (is that a word?) the feminine and then switching round and devaluing the masculine.
The traditional male path of being a husband, father, provider and protector became economically impossible for a large portion of the population and women were told that they should not want that.
I think males avoided the traditional family too. You did not want to get held down or back by a woman 10-20 years ago. If a woman wanted to date to start a family she would be avoided and considered baby-cracy. I thought so too. Males would tease eachother for being caught by a woman - not kindly. As if he had lost some of his manhood.
For woman that wanted a family it was a silent game of pretending it was just casual and hope the man would stick around for long enough.
A lot of woman were told by the older generations they shouldn't become dependent on a man because men might leave their familie and as a woman you should get a good education first - to be a better provider if the man left or have the ability to leave if the man became abusive. It was considered wisdom - for the kids sake.
I hope people starts to value family life more. Not as a nessesary constalation but as sound base for kids and them selves. A partnership, a team of two. No kings or queens to rule them all.
But how do people avoid repeating the mistakes of the earlier generations. Marriages can be a safe home - a place to grow, as well as a place of abuse, manipulation and exploitation and even a cage you cannot escape.
Men being a provider doesn't mean he has to be the _sole_ financial provider. It's more about living by certain values, morality, integrity, of being the father to one's children and husband to the wife. The economic aspect is only the superficial layer, what matter more are the deeper values.
No I think women, being autonomous living organisms, have always fought against being controlled. And being in a social system where you are financially dependent on men in a capitalist society means you are fundamentally not free, which is intolerable to varying degrees to women. Women “leaned in” at work and out of the home to have more freedom, and more enjoyable, fulfilling and balanced lives but it really hasn’t worked well bc men haven’t lean out at work and in in the home at all. I believe 2 years of paid parental leave would ensure both greater female social equality, and more stable and successful home lives. But ultimately men have to choose to compromise on more of their personal goals and career dreams for women to want to bother marrying them at all. Women will never go back to living under unequal partnerships.
I think you also have to take into account that many have seen women being entrapped by the economic aspect of their marriages even after the kids have grown up. Daughters that see this think better save than sorry, so even if they find a wonderful husband, they will always have at the back of their minds the image of their mothers and always prefer to have a plan b than no plan at all.
@@joen4642 this is such a great comment! Lots of important and thoughtful questions to consider.
Love listening to marcus evans. Very clever.
Marcus was one of the original Tavistock whistleblowers, with his wife.
Wow must have been hard given the climate especially given the news of mermaids lobbying.
Great discussion mostly. We all need to relax the boundaries around sexual/gender roles and stereotypes and have human experiences, whilst respecting the differences btw genders
That comment at the beginning about a 60 year old man getting with a 20 ish year old woman, or just a woman in her 20s in general, a good reason as to not encourage such a very large relationship age gap. You're an old man/woman and you're past your prime. You're barely able to perform the duties as a father to your child. All he or she sees is someo who ought to be their grandfather, not the masculine role model that they need. Leave the youth to marry one another, they're the ones who are supposed to be continuing the family and continuing society's population growth.
Darn it, everytime I hear The Lost Boys I think of the Joel Schumaker vampire film with Kiefer Sutherland and the Coreys.
Nice episode.
Yes the lost boys have become vampires.
I love Benjamin Boyce and what seems to be this principle of non-prescriptive judgment. I don't know what you should do but I can definitely draw boundaries around what you probably shouldn't do.
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Love your shirt, Cori 🙌💕
43:32 my question was of course a difficult one. I believe we need to go back to basics, start with the body you have, Marcus says we should push through the fantasy and envy of being something else. I agree. But begin with the body you have!! (That’s me asking the question) 😅
The river anology is a great one. There are 2 shores. If youre standing on one side you can never resch the other. Your options are to stay where you are or forever by caught in the middle of the river
Finally someone bringing up psychoanalysis, that bad influences have been acknowledged. However it's not simple to sort through the stuff. But from the many accounts, one can form a picture and compere oneself against it.
Fantastic conversation!
Benjamin is correct in saying that we need ideals. Archetypes are avatars of different ideals, but they're still ideals or mirrors of ideals.
The drive for manic triymph in the face of a depressing confrontation with the way things are is very insightful.
There actually is an answer to Helen Joyce's question that I doesn't seem to come up - there is actually multiple new presentations of male transition/gender non-conformity.
They're not all well-defined or spoken about, but I would direct your attention to the heterosexual "trans maxxer" - the incel male who partly transitions to attract the attention of radical liberal women. It's basically a dating strategy, but in some cases they get railroaded into completing the transition.
Very interesting theory/observation.
How gender was taught in the past was very interesting. Though I'm not sure there was a girl crisis in the 90s, at least not where I grew up.
I got the message that as a girl, I can do what I want (i.e. play how I want, have whatever interests, etc.), and about equality in the sense that girls weren't in any way worse than boys, or had less rights than boys. So I never felt any worse or less privileged as a girl.
I felt (as a child, I'm talking about the cultural messaging I received) that I can study what I want and have any profession I profession I want.
I didn't have the messaging that I hear today from many young women/girls that 'being a woman is terrible, we're always oppressed, our bodies are so terrible because we get periods and get pregnant which is the end of the world', none of that negative messaging.
Personally, I also always liked being a girl because girls/women are 'the prettier sex' and I was always happy about being that.
Also, we didn't have internet and young kids didn't have such an easy exposure and access to pornography as today, that would distort and deviate our self-image and make us feel anxious and objectified and sexually degraded (as in pornographic depictions of women) just for being a female.
I've noticed a lot of that recently too. I don't believe women and girls actually feel like that. I think they are just using martyrdom to get one over the tras whose whole agenda is seeped in martyrdom. Not healthy though. Negativity is rife all round though.
I can’t overstate how bad it is to be a woman who grew up as a girl on the internet. Being on the internet as a girl was like being in a male locker room since I was 13. I’ve seen and heard men talk about and treat women in ways that has shaped my relationship with men and myself as a woman for the worse on a fundamental level. Then sometimes I feel like at least I know what men really think about us when they think they can be unguarded. I’d say I have a total lack of trust and respect for most men bc of these interactions.
@@ejd5261 Thank you for sharing that. I haven't thought about that aspect.
I've been thinking how an easy access to porn in very young age influences the girls safe-hate and sense of insecurity (because they might see how women are treated or when they don't watch it themselves, their male peers do and that changes how they treat girls or what they expect; that's what I was thinking).
From what you're saying it's also witnessing the male nasty communication has this powerful (negative) effect. I totally believe you, how traumatizing it can be, especially when we're young we're still learning and making the sense of the world and others. I can't stand these types of comments as an adult, I can't imagine witnessing all that as a young girl, it must have been crushing.
I personally grew up more idealistic in the sense of romantic connections.
@@joane24 Exactly! Porn, dehumanizing rhetoric, videos of violence against women, general disdain, being constantly dismissed and insulted. It was a rough experience.
Thank you all!
Wow... some of this hits extremely close to home.
Ok where can I get the 'Adult Human Weirdo' T-shit.
@@SallyScheuermann Sweet, chur for the reply.
Benjamin is just amazing!!!
I saw in the info this was the second of three panels, but it would have been helpful if there had been a little verbal introduction for us viewers as to who we are listening to, and a little about them and why everyone was here. I spent most of the video wondering who, what, why etc - who were these people, what was the reason for the gathering, who were the audience, and why were they there.
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Ben... you were in my home town?!?! I've been watching you for years from several different countries... you should have said.😅😅😅😅 I would have flown over. 😂
Who is the guy wearing the yellow cap? He's f***ing hilarious😂👏🏽💙
Excellent statement made by the commentor at the end. 54:22 Its unfortunate that the speaker after her, didn't appear to listen or consider her comment at all based on his response.
52:25 how does she know her husband isn’t a weak father? LOL Corinna have a good response.
I heard a fellow South African in the questions!
That last person was so spot on!!!
men are warriors in all cultures, the variations are in the margins, it's not *all* idiosyncratic.
Ideal vs Archetype - a very good distinction.
yes, so much more needed about the boys
yes alasdair is very worried about all the boys, can't stop thinking about them, we all know
That is an excellent question.
What question? What question??
@@BenjaminABoyce that question 🙃
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Can we give the Boy Scouts back to the boys now?
Those kinds of groups could ALWAYS stay single sex if they wanted to in the UK, they just had to agree not to accept government funding. Some, like the Boys Brigade, did this, lots of others went down the route which had now led us to the GenderBorg.
Gosh just posted about the boy scouts!! Story of woman who was asked about her boy's gender and told them he was a pirate ( since he happened to be dressed as a pirate at the time)
Dusty
Can we give YMCA back to the boys too?
@@PeverellTheThird yes. They should have just made a YWCA in the first place.
@@dollylove3430 There is YWCA. My point is YMCA's are slowly but surely not catering to men anymore.
Miranda makes a very important point at 40:40
I also see that my son relates more to me, and I spent more time with him, than his Dad did
Trans woman here. A few things: my being trans is NOT a rebellion against my parents! I transitioned in my fourties, and so was fully grown. Also, both of my dads had passed away by that point, so, again, NOT a rebellion.
Next, my bio dad was there for the first few years of my life and, after that, the man I called dad was there, all the time, for the rest of his life. So, for the most part, I had a wonderful male role model growing up, as did my cis-ter.
Also, while I could never say for certain, I truly believe that Corinna wil, at some future date, once again transition to a woman. Again, one can never be certain. However, it is, statistically, what is most likely to happen. I say this because, as I understand it, the rate at which detransitioners retransition is, I believe, somewhere in rhe high 90s, percentage wise. (98% or 99%, I think)
Where did you get that retransition statistic? Did you just pull it out of your ass?
Great panel and useful comments from everyone: Miranda about men being more accepting feminine men, and Benjamin about trying to hear out AGPS and having comment meltdowns from some rad-fems that don't acknowledge the pain some boys/young men are in, in regard to their confusion about who they are as young males.
Very interesting discussion. Thanks. I would like to recommend another video on this topic to anyone who is interested. It is unfortunately yet another harrowing account of a sensitive boy bullied at school and "affirmed" as "Trans" quite a few years ago. The video is called My Detransition Story: The dark truth behind gender dysphoria and transition regret by Alexander L. This young man has taken the brave and selfless decision to bare all of what happened to him ( transitioning m to f) and transitioning back again as far as he can, and how he now feels about it in light of the irreversible nature of many aspects He states that he is exhausted after posting the video, and so may not be up for being part of anything else or being interviewed. He has clearly given his all in this and needs some recovery time. However I would urge your viewers to watch it and to realise how important this issue is.
22:10 aggression interesting
Sorry this is my bookmark.....or podmark?....
They were unable to individuate in healthy way.
Love to you all im so sorry that u all got pulled into things and then not getting any help trying to put it all in order. A puzzel that all the pieces and the corners are not in the right spots. Have respect for one another and repect for men being respectfull to woman and women having respect for themselves so men can can have respectfor all the things that women feel and do .bottom line Gods kids just want to beloved and cared and treated with kindness. Jesus is the answer lord give us wisdome and oh such love and understanding in one another. Look into peoples eyes it tells u alot. Thank you for ur bravery coming forth and telling how rough and sometimes feeling like you cant put one foot infront of the other. God bless you all. Thank you god watch over each and every one of this kids and love them and protect them
Give God a try it wont disappoint you. God bless.move forward .
Why no discussion on gender non conformity in males being shunned, and in the case of the trans issue being converted to trans?
#TransActivismIsHomophobia
It's also heterophobia
@@Gingerblaze I would say it has a love-hate relationship with the gender binary.
Transgender is binary-phobic, transsexual is binary-philic, but the person wants to be the the other sex.
Gender activism is anti-social.
Transsexuals want to fit in.
Transgender folks want attention.
Trans activists want power.
Men's rights are misogynistic
For the algo
and at 17 minutes, what he said ! sorry I didn't hear his name
Is the young long haired bloke trying to be male or female?
Tried, stopped trying.
@@BenjaminABoyce Ok mate ta
Do men think they will turn toxic because they have been exposed to/consumed pornography from a relatively young age? Does that factor in feelings of shame or being afraid of their developing male identity? Particularly if they don’t have a good decent strong father or other male mentor in their life. Do they think they might become an abuser? Seriously if they are learning that men dominate, abuse, humiliate etc through porn, it would figure they try to run from it.
Have you commenced yet?
Has miranda Detranstion too he seems to have.
We get what we get with parents. It is most irritating to hear what he wished for and blamed not getting.
Most parents/people do their best. Some set out to harm/ be indifferent but they are a small minority. Accepting your parents' faults, understanding that they also were born into a particular time, place, family, point in history etc with certain genetics is part of becoming and maturing into adulthood imo. Recognising that we have heaps more knowledge of psychology, hormones, behaviour, sex and much more access to that knowledge would also help younger people. We just didn't know.
This confusion is a direct result of humanity's (at large and the individuals) rejection of God, the Creator of the world and human beings. The Bible clearly tells men and women who they are. Firstly, all people are created in God's image, i.e., in His loving character, righteousness, goodness, wisdom. To reject God (the only true God of the Bible) is to reject one's identity which then leaves one open to grasp for what a godless, spiritually lost world says about who/what they ought to identify with/as. Secondly, all people are created with a purpose, i.e., no one is created aimless without a destiny; God has a plan for everyone. That plan includes how one ought to live life according to how God has designed life to be lived. To reject God is to reject His design and become open to any errant philosophy that the world (of whom the Bible says Satan, the devil, is the false "god" over) asserts. No one who knows God, i.e., belongs to Him through faith in His Son Jesus, could ever come to believe in and embrace this evil ideology of not only transgenderism but, at the root, also homosexualality. To reject God is to, by default, accept Satan as one's "god" and ruler. And Satan has nothing good (nothing at all) to offer to anyone. Many things (abuse, neglect, abandonment of parental roles) contribute to confusion of identity and purpose. But, the Bible also says that people love darkness (sin/any & all things that put enmity between them and their Creator God) rather than light (righteousness, holiness/faith in & committment to Jesus Christ). Humanity is sinful and have desires that are bent inherently towards sin and sinful behaviors. Because of sin, humanity is easily given over to/embrace sin; loving sin and ever desiring to be autonomous/separate from, not ruled over by their Creator. The truth is that we were not created for spiritual autonomy. We are ruled over by either God in righteousness or Satan in wickedness. There are no middle grounds. Even when we, through deception, believe we're ruling over ourselves/lives, we are, by default, being ruled over by Satan who birth within us this desire to not be ruled over by God. It all goes back to the beginning of Adam's and Eve's first sin, i.e., disobedience to, and rejection of God's plan. Believe it or not, but the truth is that all (every person) are caught up in this sinful existence and the only way out is through the salvation offered by God Himself, through faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior from (all) sin, i.e., sin's rule over one. The Bible calls for repentance, i.e., turn away (reject) from our sinful nature (godless desires/behaviors), which leads to confusion, destructive living, and eternal death (eternal separation from God in hell), and turn towards God, (His love and holy righteousness) which leads to purposeful life on earth and eternal life with Him in heaven.
Very few Irish. Curious.
Twas an international conference!
Man, all I can think is, God you were right. Your always right. You made, and it was good. But we decided we new better. We decided we were going to play with the structure of reality. And now people are hurt, disfigured, lost. But God you are merciful, and full of grace, and we would just return to you, with all our heart, you promised to heal, to cure, to fix. And the best part, this isn't all there is , and when we move over to the other life, we are restored and made even better than before.and I trust and believe you, cause I've seen you move in the world and in my own life. Jesus christ, king of kings and Lord of Lords! You no why hes called the savior? Just take a look, its in the book, reading rainbow!
Toxic male here ladies 💪
What is a toxic male to you?
@@MsMounen an actual toxic male? It's usually the types that aren't ok with themselves for having certain physical traits like small penis, short stature or baldness. They're like disgruntled employees of their own body and display alot of generally negative social behavior
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@@racs9606 😄Aah, Joey was a softy. Not a toxic bone in his teddy bear body.
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All males talking what a woman should be ???? the world goes bananas
How did you get that from this panel? They spent nearly the entire time discussing the difficulty that males often have navigating social identity as males.
Vice versa happens just as often mate, it's not new
@00:37:01
if RadFems are willing to concede that they’ve created this Genderqueer Golem which is attacking them, you might be able to get them to understand that the groupthink in RadFem circles are Marxian
(inconveniently buttbirthed by some dead man)
(but the self aggrandising potential is so exciting -if only free shit billed to others could finally come true)
You might discover yourself engrossed in a nonconsensual game of whack’em-all™
Suffice it to say: the accusation of being the “epitome of disgusting filth” & therefore the ultimate exemplification of *disposability of men
Enforcement of standards (or even laws, in current year) redistributed down to putdowns in disgust, mustn’t surprise you.
However “the crowds” have in fact completely shattered your trust.
The manly response;
muscle through/ soldier on 🤔
I never understood why TQ+ labels invented on tumblr was made to happen.
How can you have a mild conversation about CASTRATION?