Something about Darryl's voice and the topics covered (lack of community, looking for it and the struggles of being a 20 something guy in this world) in this one made me very emotional. Thank you Benjamin.
There is no political solution.People are godless hedonists.That's the biggest problem.Demographic Change,War,Marxist Trans(humanism) everything is downstream from that...
Witnessing the reaction to his appearance on Tucker's podcast was bizarre I've watched him with Jocko and listened to his own podcast and the person being described as a Holocaust denier was not the person I was familiar with. Thanks for having him on. You do a good job.
Lindsay is upset as default mode right now. It’s hard for him to see through another lens than communism. Would love to see them podcast again before the election.
What an illuminating calm-versation. Interesting to learn more about Mr. Cooper’s background. I’ve only just started his Israel / Palestine series. It only takes about 30 seconds into the series to realize that he’s not “anti-Semitic. Seems like an interesting and compassionate thinker.
@@Parsons4GeistI've yet to listen...he came on my radar when certain folks spazzed over his Tucker interview But I'm in now, I'm about to embark on Fear and Loathing in New Jerusalem asap
The comments section is wild as always. I appreciate you taking the time to talk to him, and in good faith. More than I can say for some. I'm just so exhausted with people's reductive "reasoning" and projecting things and ideas that were never claimed or spoken. I appreciate you, Benjamin.
@@ScottishAtheist He doesn't argue in good faith. He is unwilling or unable to question fundamental assumptions inherent in his spiel, or confront logical problems with his assumptions. He is not honest.
Well... that's a broad statement that can be parsed in numerous ways. On some level, from some distance, we all share existence on this plane for a time.
The internet has allowed us to evolve how we form bonds that are much more meaningful across the world. We did this with physical human interactions, telegrams, phone calls, and snail mail prior and still to this day
Honestly, I don’t get why everyone went after Darryl when Jordan Peterson says similar things in his lectures. He asks how humans could become the guards and do heinous things. How is that any different than what Darryl asks us to question? I really don’t understand the controversy whatsoever. And if anything it proves Darryl’s point about how much our modern mythology is based on these events. Edit: The only difference that I can see is the “conservatives” are reacting now because of the events of 2020 vs when Peterson had these lectures which was prior to 2020.
Because JBP makes the appropriate gestures before the sacred icons of our society before speaking. There are things you have to do and say, groups you have to placate, in order to be a member of society in good standing, and Cooper doesn't do that.
People finally realizing ideas are dangerous in the comments, but can’t ask themselves what if my existing ideas are dangerous. Repentance ain’t easy folks.
@@nosouponhead ... I will expect to see you in the chat room backing up that claim. Not simply _making_ that claim, but telling us why what he is saying is "fake", false, lies, made up or otherwise not what happened. . ..... Deal?
Within the first few minutes you talked about how the US is different from Poland when it comes to immigration. This is largely due to the fact that the Poles and Soviets pretty well resolved the diverse ethnicity issues in Eastern Europe after WW2. There are virtually no non-Poles in Poland now because every non-Pole was forced out of the new Polish boundaries and there is virtually no influx of immigrants into Poland since 1945.
So I’ll give an example that I noticed on Dave Smith’s channel. Megan McCain complained about how the New Hampshire Libertarian Party celebrates her father’s death every year. Of course as his daughter this would upset her. Yet people seem to excuse this behavior because of their views on John McCain. John McCain can simultaneously be a horrible politician yet a good father to Megan. Yet people are not willing to consider this at all. In their minds, there can be nothing positive about John McCain whatsoever. This view of reality in terms of good guys vs bad guys is ridiculously childish. People make both good and bad choices throughout their entire lives. If you are actually an honest person, you can say that you think the bad outweighs the good but clearly with how much Megan loves her father, he must have done something positive to earn her love and respect. Everyone getting upset about “tearing down” heroes is just being reactionary with postmodernism instead of asking whether maybe we should consider that history is written by the victors. There is nothing wrong with questioning narratives. No one here is trying to tear down statues. We’re just asking questions.
The problem with McCain is people celebrate his death because he actively hurt the country who cares if you were a good father if you helped destroy your country king John may have loved his son doesn’t mean his death wasn’t deserved and he was a bad person
Humanizing McCain is a bold move that will surely rustle a ton of jimmies, but I agree that all of us are human, so it should be universally applied. It's far too easy to get carried away and become "the bad guy" without realizing when we ignore that some people, or groups of people, are human. Also, I agree that narratives should be questioned. Again, it's too easy to be duped in to doing evil when narratives are blindly accepted. Questioning something is not equal to rejecting something.
I leave this interview feeling as conflicted about Cooper as ever. This will be a long comment, so please bear with me. On the one hand, I remain as impressed as always by the quality of his sociological musings, particularly where they cover the displacement of traditional structures by state institutions in the wake of modernity. His personal background, drifting from institution to institution, and the lasting mark his experiences have left on his attitudes towards friendship, chance, and responsibility, provide a logical context for how he formulates his understanding of events. On the other hand, his promiscuity with historiographies of questionable repute remain as troubling to me as always. To be clear, I can sympathize with the desire to break through established narratives that rest, at least partially, on caricatures of "the bad guys" of history. There is value in seeking depth through the exploration of the social circumstances and inner lives of "the bad guys," and I don't begrudge him for undertaking a search for our common humanity. The problem is that, like so many others who flirt with postmodernism, Cooper struggles to accept that not all narratives are made equal. Some are unambiguously better than others for reasons that stand independently of power relations that seek to uphold the status quo. Cooper is free to produce avant garde works of historical narrative to his heart's content, but facts still matter, and the editorial decisions he makes to curate a particular narrative have consequences for the robustness of his beliefs in the face of *all* the relevant facts--including ones that he chooses to omit and, in certain cases, distort. This is why I'm apprehensive about his forthcoming series on WW2. I'll give it a listen, but I'm afraid that it will contain an undue degree of influence from discredited historiographies like those of David Irving. Again, there's value in understanding the German perspective and how it ended up in the state that it did, but that understanding will inevitably be compromised by efforts at humanizing figures who behaved in ways that are unrecognizable as human. Creatures like Reinhard Heidrich and Paul Blobel immediately come to mind. At some point, you're not humanizing so much as you are sanitizing, and no amount of acknowledging the wrongness of that regime's conduct will change this if certain tried-and-true tactics from the likes of Irving are applied. Omitting mention of the worst atrocities and the sequence of events--including those that compromise the ENTIRETY of the regime, and not just a few bad apples and loose cannons--would be an immediate red flag. Downplaying the actions of the regime while exaggerating the actions of the Allies to try and paint a moral equivalence would be another. There are valuable lessons to be learned from Germany's circumstances and conduct over the lead-up, course, and aftermath of WW2. We should all understand how innocent babies turned into Goring, Himmler, Goebbels, Bormann, and Hitler, and how German society came to fall under their spell. And crucially, we should understand how the deep and profound flaws of these men, unique and well-differentiated between each, contributed to their individual and collective downfalls. Goring the Glutton, who compensated for his family's fall from wealth and status by plundering Europe's treasures and enriching himself through theft and slave labor, disconnected from the realities of the war as he pranced about in ostentatious dress while Berlin burned all around him. Himmler the Self-Hating Weirdo, whose sickly and awkward stature led him to create his own bizarre religion that exalted the perfect Aryan physique he longed to possess, projected his self-hatred onto the Jews whose extermination he headed, and which worshipped Hitler like a God, only for him to ultimately betray his own Lord and finally become forsaken. Goebbels the Undignified, perhaps the most cucked creature to have ever lived, who publicly extolled the dictator that he pretended not to know was sleeping with his own wife; projecting his own lack of dignity onto the Jews instead of gaining insight and accepting responsibility. Had he simply recognized reality for what it was, instead of egging on Germany to its doom, he would not have met his end in the most undignified manner possible after killing his own unfaithful wife and children, none of whom he loved more than Hitler, at whose alter he sacrificed his last scrap of dignity. Bormann the Machiavellian, a lowly crook whose scheming led his colleagues and superiors to jealously squabble and distrust each other, whose sycophantic and manipulative character exacerbated the worst of the Reich's excesses, and who, despite his efforts to inherit a position of power far above his meager station by causing everyone else to war with each other, died in obscurity like a rat in the streets of Berlin and was only discovered decades later, much to the world's indifference. And then finally we have Hitler the Delusional Narcissist, a deeply unwell and hypocritical megalomaniac whose short-sightedness and stubbornness in the face of reality would have been bad enough, if not for his utter inability to ever accept responsibility for his own failures, which he instead outsourced to everyone else--right up until the very end. A man with an ego so large, and insight so small, that after blaming the German people for failing to realize his wild fantasies due to the shortcomings of plans that he himself had ordered, demanded that everybody else die with him because the world itself was unworthy of him. There are valuable lessons to learn from all of this. But I am not convinced that Cooper is someone who's willing to teach them.
"discredited historiographies like those of David Irving" Irving has published over 10,000 pages of history. Hollywood moguls paid millions of dollars to fund a legal team to scrape over his entire catalogue to find mistakes, and they found about 13 minor mistakes. If the average historian was as scrutinised, They would find even more mistakes. Even the judge in that case said Irvings knowledge of world war 2 is unparalleled. He was considered THE authority on world war 2 until he upset a certain tribe.
I don’t mean this in derogatory way, you are Jewish. It’s natural that you would find any reevaluation of the meaning of WWII upsetting or reprehensible. An outsider recommendation would be to simply recognize this natural internal bias. It’s likely that the first people capable of a truly detached reevaluation of the topic will be born 200 years from now.
@@Jaco059true, many Zoomers have lost any since of collective narrative because they have no understanding of the broader historical context in which they live and they are now disproportionately from families who immigrated after WWII and are not of European heritage, so the old collective myths don’t really connect with them on a visceral level.
@@oumod_ What I find reprehensible is the omission and distortion of facts in service of a cynically motivated narrative--be it of Cooper's own design, or uncritically lifted from creatures like Irving.
I will have to strongly disagree with Darryl’s assertion that a libertarian style of government can only function with solely self-sufficient people. Such people would work well under any system of government, sure, but they are not uniquely tailored for the libertarian one. The main distinction is that some of the functions that are mandated and controlled by a government would be more efficiently run by local private organizations and that participation would be optional. I think the key thing that is necessary for a libertarian government to function (and it is necessary for all the other forms too) is that laws are consistently enforced. Once property rights are respected, voluntary mutual interactions will occur and create new cultures and organizations.
Seems pretty reductive of you, but I've also consumed a lot of his material and respect him and give him the benefit of the doubt, so maybe the joke's on me. Or maybe you should listen more with an open mind and heart. Not saying that with any snark. I'm trying to do this with people I can't stand, currently, with limited success. Best of luck if you choose that path.
@@FooMantis Thank you for your constructive criticism. I always try to take in minority opinions. But his views are no better than the Holocaust denial. That’s a hard line for me.
Late in the podcast Cooper said, "WW2 happened to the Germans too." It's statements like that that raise eyebrows and sounds "fascist adjacent" to many people. You made that kind of statement in the Carlson interview frequently and many people took those statements as a dog whistle. I confess I am not interested in "humanizing" Hitler or Stalin or Mao. There is virtually no benefit in stating that Hitler, Stalin and Mao were once innocent 3 year-old children. The key facts that define their lives are what happened not all that long after they were 3 years-old.
I think the generous interpretation of what he’s saying is we shouldn’t reduce these figures to caricatures but rather seek to understand the conditions that created this person and allowed their message to resonate with their populations in the time that they did. By seeking this understanding we get a better idea of how these situations develop. I think the critique of the mythology is that it creates a simplistic picture whose function is serve as a foundation of identity rather than an understanding of what really happened and how it happened. Also he probably believes some of the lessons learned in WW2 (appeasement is bad and preemptive confrontation is good) has served as justification for some disastrous foreign policy decision making in the time since the war. This is my read on a lot of what he’s said however I did have some disagreements with how he portrayed German behavior and its reasoning on the eastern front (in the Tucker interview). Cheers
If you take that position, you can’t humanize FDR or Churchill either. Ultimately, you can’t humanize yourself which is exactly what the German people have gone through post WW2. That’s really the nicest way I can say read more because you’re missing a lot in your understanding that is very relevant to today no matter your political persuasion.
You clearly haven’t listened to Daryl’s podcast. Oh yeah, and VDH thinks if you’re against Israel, you’re an antisemite. Most American Jews don’t support Israel. Goes to show you VDH is a shill, not a good faith actor or honest either.
I was about to write off Lindsay as paranoid or spastic for his comments on Martyr Made (last time I thought Lindsay was going nuts, like previous times, Lindsay actually turned out to be right and his forecast for problems was correct - takes me a little while to get over my cog. dissonance). I've been a fan of Martyr Made for a few years, but little did I know of the actual depth of a Woke Right. Martyr Made may have fooled me and Dave Smith. Listen (or read tweets) to Darryl's enthusiastic praise for Pete Quinones or Thomas777 (self admitted Right Hegelian and not too timid Neo N-zi), or Pete's recent group podcast where one of the guests talked about "the value of lynching" with regard to Haitians or after Helene floods. Towards the end of Darryl's recent podcast with J Burden (another Right Woke podcaster), Darryl uses some very gnostic-Hermetic descriptions around the 1 hour 2 min mark = "Spirit" - "Spirit World" - "World he was thrown into" - ". . . took that human Material." Many might not get the clarity of these Idealist/Gnostic descriptions unless you follow Lindsay or Chavarria (frankly, Chavarria has been doing a much better job than Lindsay, in recent tweets, at making it clear what the Woke Right is and what makes them so (Idealism, gnostic-Hermeticism, esoteric/occult mythologies built into their purpose, etc.) I could see Dave Smith not getting this, he doesn't follow a lot of stuff, but I'd think Benjamin with his close tie to Lindsay and his podcasts discussing this stuff might see it. I don't fault either, I may have been fooled as well, but there is definitely some evidence and real support for Lindsay and Chavarria's claims of Cooper being in a Woke Right position. I say this being against Israel's ethnic cleansing, against Israel's too deep influence on US domestic and foreign policy and against Israel's belligerence with other Arab nations, thanks to Cooper's telling of the conflict.
Respectfully, @nacetroy, your comment (which I appreciate as a good faith attempt to express your authentic point of view) is why I opposed the “woke right” frame from the start. It has only associative content, and boxes Darryl into a network of context that doesn’t see him as someone groping, painstakingly and authentically, for genuine understanding of the world. All that “woke right” does, as a term, is box him into a Deplorables Basket. It makes him an enemy. It narrows him down to some functionary of evil. And I reject that. My entire work online has been an attempt to break down those inhuman categories and connect with the human entities that surround me.
@@BenjaminABoyce and I continue to respect you for that Benjamin. I had the same reaction that you mention above regarding the term and it's potential effect on free speech. I don't think the "Woke Right" should be silenced, de or un-plaformed or necessarily demonized; I do however believe it's important to ask what's important to those pushing a "Post Liberal" or "woke Right" agenda. With someone like Yarvin, he wants his CEO-Monarchist, with some Christian Nationalists, they want to merge religion and state, neither of these aims describes how we get there, whether it would actually be good for (just looking at the USA) US citizens or what would happen to those who don't want to go with that program, so it's an appeal to "traditional" culture or types of rule or extricating the grip of NWO/Regime socialism to sell the compliance to their projected power grab. Frankly, I'd like to believe that Lindsay, Clint, or others of their circle are wrong - that the Woke Right simply picked up alternate political theories as a way to figure out a solution to our current problems, but I don't hear from the Woke Right those concerns I've already mentioned.
@@Andrew-on-YT I mentioned sources in my post that you replied to, see those. If you don't trust Lindsay or Chavarria, look at the mapping of ideologies in a recent podcast by Tik - confirms exactly what Lindsay and Chavarria are saying. Now, are ALL of the Woke Right gnostic-Hermeticists? I'd think not, many are probably disaffected white boys (US, UK, Ireland), looking for rationalizations for the Woke Left's characterization and demonetization of them) looking for a way out of that position. Both right and left Wokies are pressuring for some confrontation, which should be another clue as to this being a dialectical trap. Both Woke Right and Left are Idealists based in esoteric and occult myths of being. Woke Left wants the promise of (never happens though) equity and taking down those in power. Woke Right want to resurrect a mythical identity of power, strength and former dominance that they believe is a birth or national right (or that's how I see it), even if they don't admit it. Those more vocal about what they really want (Quinones or Thomas777) will tell you. Tik also has a decent podcast out lining what a "Third Way" proponent believes.
So ben, after getting your ass handed to you by Kisin, you've crawled back down the alternative history rabbit hole. What a brave martyr you are, what a free thinker, unburdened with reality. So woke.
1 hour and 30 minutes into the interview, barely any particular discussion about history, Churchill and H1tl3r mentioned like once and very briefly at that. They mostly talked about human relations, cultural issues, and Darryl's background and personal growth. Why don't you watch the actual video, instead of sperging in the comment section?
@@SixtiesStick is that a rhetorical question? Hint: Cooper is just too 1-dimensional. Perhaps he'd be more popular with the TikTok kids; they seem less discerning.
Something about Darryl's voice and the topics covered (lack of community, looking for it and the struggles of being a 20 something guy in this world) in this one made me very emotional. Thank you Benjamin.
Darryl's account of leaving the military and going into the civilian world is spot on. Those first few years after getting out are rough.
Looking forward to this ✌️
This is one of your best Calmversations.
Martyr Made is one of the most compelling podcasts I've ever heard. Deserves way more attention. Bravo Darryl 💪
I agree
A central theme of a lot of Darryl's work seems to be "there but for the grace of God go I."
Yes
Ballsy. Much respect.
Fancy seeing you here brother
@@Jaco059 Benjamin is good people.
There is no political solution.People are godless hedonists.That's the biggest problem.Demographic Change,War,Marxist Trans(humanism) everything is downstream from that...
Great discussion, have him back soon
great discussion, yeah, whatever
how do you not address that amazng (i'm guessing) squirrel in the intro
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Witnessing the reaction to his appearance on Tucker's podcast was bizarre I've watched him with Jocko and listened to his own podcast and the person being described as a Holocaust denier was not the person I was familiar with. Thanks for having him on. You do a good job.
Watch out Ben, James Lindsay is gonna be upset
That was a given
Hall Monitors stay mad.
Lindsay is upset as default mode right now. It’s hard for him to see through another lens than communism. Would love to see them podcast again before the election.
Sad what that guys become
Oh, it must be.... any day of the week?
he has been misquoted and pilloried to such a bizarre degree. thank you for inviting him on.
You have a profound gift of listening that brings out the story your guests have to share.
Thanks!
Thanks and God bless ya, Hans
So happy you've got Darryl on 😊 this should be great!
Pre-liking because I know this is going to be worth every minute.
What an illuminating calm-versation.
Interesting to learn more about Mr. Cooper’s background. I’ve only just started his Israel / Palestine series. It only takes about 30 seconds into the series to realize that he’s not “anti-Semitic. Seems like an interesting and compassionate thinker.
Much respect Benjamin I did not see this one coming
Whadup Parsons 👊
@@matthewparlato5626 😊 nice I didn't know you get down with Daryl Cooper I love his History podcast
@@Parsons4GeistI've yet to listen...he came on my radar when certain folks spazzed over his Tucker interview
But I'm in now, I'm about to embark on Fear and Loathing in New Jerusalem asap
@@matthewparlato5626highly recommend.
The comments section is wild as always. I appreciate you taking the time to talk to him, and in good faith. More than I can say for some. I'm just so exhausted with people's reductive "reasoning" and projecting things and ideas that were never claimed or spoken. I appreciate you, Benjamin.
Konstantin punching air right now
Zoggonometry
Why? Because he's not a fan of revisionist history? He prefers discussion based on facts? How outrageous of him.
@@ScottishAtheist He doesn't argue in good faith. He is unwilling or unable to question fundamental assumptions inherent in his spiel, or confront logical problems with his assumptions. He is not honest.
Yeah, in a victorious gesture. If you like Cooper, you'll love Ta-Nehisi Coates. They are about at the same level.
@@numberwang1256i cant tell if youre being disingenuous or not
Fantastic interview. Big Benjamin is a big guy and a real man
The platform put me on the naughty list for saying that the mustache man was a human being. Factual but controversial for some reason. 🤷♀️
What a martyr.
@@ScottishAtheistdo you people realize that your hysterics dont win people over?
Darryl is the man! Thanks Benjamin.
The only part I disagreed with Darryl on was that we all had to live together.
Well... that's a broad statement that can be parsed in numerous ways. On some level, from some distance, we all share existence on this plane for a time.
Looking dapper there Ben!
Eons away from the dark blue robe and funny hats era.
You are good at this! Respect!
The internet has allowed us to evolve how we form bonds that are much more meaningful across the world. We did this with physical human interactions, telegrams, phone calls, and snail mail prior and still to this day
Exactly. I remember pen friends
Been waiting for this one!
Honestly, I don’t get why everyone went after Darryl when Jordan Peterson says similar things in his lectures. He asks how humans could become the guards and do heinous things. How is that any different than what Darryl asks us to question?
I really don’t understand the controversy whatsoever. And if anything it proves Darryl’s point about how much our modern mythology is based on these events.
Edit: The only difference that I can see is the “conservatives” are reacting now because of the events of 2020 vs when Peterson had these lectures which was prior to 2020.
Hope you read Kingcrocoduck’s comment. You might get an inkling what may be wrong with Darryl Copper’s presentation of history.
Because JBP makes the appropriate gestures before the sacred icons of our society before speaking. There are things you have to do and say, groups you have to placate, in order to be a member of society in good standing, and Cooper doesn't do that.
The events of 2020? No, the events of oct7 2023
@@tb8865 precisely.
Because JBP has pledged undying loyalty to the smallhats.
Boyce in a Blazer. Nice.
“No that’s her job (i’m kidding)” 🤣
Cats squirrels and chickens living in harmony how's that possible?
Indoctrination at a young age, enforced by a shovel
They are all well fed. Let any of them get hungry, and nature will reassert itself. An apt metaphor for our current situation, perhaps?
Just saw a tweet from Mrs Boyce that a cat killed a squirrel.
I think it was a neighbor squirrel. But regardless, nature restocked us with more.
Great Ep.
Cooper sounds close to a Hoppean
Agreed
He felt invincibly powerful physically because he had not fully understood that his power is intellectual.
Great conversation.
Love the chickens. Great episode.
People finally realizing ideas are dangerous in the comments, but can’t ask themselves what if my existing ideas are dangerous. Repentance ain’t easy folks.
Love history stuff. Thanks, Mr. Benjamin and Darryl 👍
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It's fake history.
@@nosouponhead ... I will expect to see you in the chat room backing up that claim. Not simply _making_ that claim, but telling us why what he is saying is "fake", false, lies, made up or otherwise not what happened.
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..... Deal?
I dunno, kitty. I don't think I deserve a trophy this time.
@@helenablavatsky9136 ... But if you DON'T take the trophy, how is The Kitty gonna guilt you into letting me take it back? 🤔
@@NinjaKittyBonks 🤯 Who's the trickster now?
James Lindsay is malding rn
Within the first few minutes you talked about how the US is different from Poland when it comes to immigration. This is largely due to the fact that the Poles and Soviets pretty well resolved the diverse ethnicity issues in Eastern Europe after WW2. There are virtually no non-Poles in Poland now because every non-Pole was forced out of the new Polish boundaries and there is virtually no influx of immigrants into Poland since 1945.
yo lemme buy it early
So I’ll give an example that I noticed on Dave Smith’s channel. Megan McCain complained about how the New Hampshire Libertarian Party celebrates her father’s death every year. Of course as his daughter this would upset her. Yet people seem to excuse this behavior because of their views on John McCain.
John McCain can simultaneously be a horrible politician yet a good father to Megan. Yet people are not willing to consider this at all. In their minds, there can be nothing positive about John McCain whatsoever.
This view of reality in terms of good guys vs bad guys is ridiculously childish. People make both good and bad choices throughout their entire lives. If you are actually an honest person, you can say that you think the bad outweighs the good but clearly with how much Megan loves her father, he must have done something positive to earn her love and respect.
Everyone getting upset about “tearing down” heroes is just being reactionary with postmodernism instead of asking whether maybe we should consider that history is written by the victors.
There is nothing wrong with questioning narratives. No one here is trying to tear down statues. We’re just asking questions.
The problem with McCain is people celebrate his death because he actively hurt the country who cares if you were a good father if you helped destroy your country king John may have loved his son doesn’t mean his death wasn’t deserved and he was a bad person
Humanizing McCain is a bold move that will surely rustle a ton of jimmies, but I agree that all of us are human, so it should be universally applied. It's far too easy to get carried away and become "the bad guy" without realizing when we ignore that some people, or groups of people, are human.
Also, I agree that narratives should be questioned. Again, it's too easy to be duped in to doing evil when narratives are blindly accepted. Questioning something is not equal to rejecting something.
1:18:03 great to add a positive vision to the conversation
"Our fictive kinship" well no it is wholly real only slightly distant kinship, in distinct contrast to the perverse globalizing lies of Christianity.
Thanks Benjamin. You keep bringing lots of value ❤
Excellent work, Benjamin.
Thanks for watching!
I leave this interview feeling as conflicted about Cooper as ever. This will be a long comment, so please bear with me.
On the one hand, I remain as impressed as always by the quality of his sociological musings, particularly where they cover the displacement of traditional structures by state institutions in the wake of modernity. His personal background, drifting from institution to institution, and the lasting mark his experiences have left on his attitudes towards friendship, chance, and responsibility, provide a logical context for how he formulates his understanding of events.
On the other hand, his promiscuity with historiographies of questionable repute remain as troubling to me as always. To be clear, I can sympathize with the desire to break through established narratives that rest, at least partially, on caricatures of "the bad guys" of history. There is value in seeking depth through the exploration of the social circumstances and inner lives of "the bad guys," and I don't begrudge him for undertaking a search for our common humanity.
The problem is that, like so many others who flirt with postmodernism, Cooper struggles to accept that not all narratives are made equal. Some are unambiguously better than others for reasons that stand independently of power relations that seek to uphold the status quo. Cooper is free to produce avant garde works of historical narrative to his heart's content, but facts still matter, and the editorial decisions he makes to curate a particular narrative have consequences for the robustness of his beliefs in the face of *all* the relevant facts--including ones that he chooses to omit and, in certain cases, distort.
This is why I'm apprehensive about his forthcoming series on WW2. I'll give it a listen, but I'm afraid that it will contain an undue degree of influence from discredited historiographies like those of David Irving. Again, there's value in understanding the German perspective and how it ended up in the state that it did, but that understanding will inevitably be compromised by efforts at humanizing figures who behaved in ways that are unrecognizable as human. Creatures like Reinhard Heidrich and Paul Blobel immediately come to mind. At some point, you're not humanizing so much as you are sanitizing, and no amount of acknowledging the wrongness of that regime's conduct will change this if certain tried-and-true tactics from the likes of Irving are applied. Omitting mention of the worst atrocities and the sequence of events--including those that compromise the ENTIRETY of the regime, and not just a few bad apples and loose cannons--would be an immediate red flag. Downplaying the actions of the regime while exaggerating the actions of the Allies to try and paint a moral equivalence would be another.
There are valuable lessons to be learned from Germany's circumstances and conduct over the lead-up, course, and aftermath of WW2. We should all understand how innocent babies turned into Goring, Himmler, Goebbels, Bormann, and Hitler, and how German society came to fall under their spell. And crucially, we should understand how the deep and profound flaws of these men, unique and well-differentiated between each, contributed to their individual and collective downfalls.
Goring the Glutton, who compensated for his family's fall from wealth and status by plundering Europe's treasures and enriching himself through theft and slave labor, disconnected from the realities of the war as he pranced about in ostentatious dress while Berlin burned all around him. Himmler the Self-Hating Weirdo, whose sickly and awkward stature led him to create his own bizarre religion that exalted the perfect Aryan physique he longed to possess, projected his self-hatred onto the Jews whose extermination he headed, and which worshipped Hitler like a God, only for him to ultimately betray his own Lord and finally become forsaken. Goebbels the Undignified, perhaps the most cucked creature to have ever lived, who publicly extolled the dictator that he pretended not to know was sleeping with his own wife; projecting his own lack of dignity onto the Jews instead of gaining insight and accepting responsibility. Had he simply recognized reality for what it was, instead of egging on Germany to its doom, he would not have met his end in the most undignified manner possible after killing his own unfaithful wife and children, none of whom he loved more than Hitler, at whose alter he sacrificed his last scrap of dignity. Bormann the Machiavellian, a lowly crook whose scheming led his colleagues and superiors to jealously squabble and distrust each other, whose sycophantic and manipulative character exacerbated the worst of the Reich's excesses, and who, despite his efforts to inherit a position of power far above his meager station by causing everyone else to war with each other, died in obscurity like a rat in the streets of Berlin and was only discovered decades later, much to the world's indifference. And then finally we have Hitler the Delusional Narcissist, a deeply unwell and hypocritical megalomaniac whose short-sightedness and stubbornness in the face of reality would have been bad enough, if not for his utter inability to ever accept responsibility for his own failures, which he instead outsourced to everyone else--right up until the very end. A man with an ego so large, and insight so small, that after blaming the German people for failing to realize his wild fantasies due to the shortcomings of plans that he himself had ordered, demanded that everybody else die with him because the world itself was unworthy of him.
There are valuable lessons to learn from all of this. But I am not convinced that Cooper is someone who's willing to teach them.
"discredited historiographies like those of David Irving"
Irving has published over 10,000 pages of history. Hollywood moguls paid millions of dollars to fund a legal team to scrape over his entire catalogue to find mistakes, and they found about 13 minor mistakes. If the average historian was as scrutinised, They would find even more mistakes. Even the judge in that case said Irvings knowledge of world war 2 is unparalleled. He was considered THE authority on world war 2 until he upset a certain tribe.
I don’t mean this in derogatory way, you are Jewish. It’s natural that you would find any reevaluation of the meaning of WWII upsetting or reprehensible. An outsider recommendation would be to simply recognize this natural internal bias. It’s likely that the first people capable of a truly detached reevaluation of the topic will be born 200 years from now.
@@oumod_I mean Jewish most Americans have lost the ww2 myth because of horrible public education
@@Jaco059true, many Zoomers have lost any since of collective narrative because they have no understanding of the broader historical context in which they live and they are now disproportionately from families who immigrated after WWII and are not of European heritage, so the old collective myths don’t really connect with them on a visceral level.
@@oumod_ What I find reprehensible is the omission and distortion of facts in service of a cynically motivated narrative--be it of Cooper's own design, or uncritically lifted from creatures like Irving.
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I will have to strongly disagree with Darryl’s assertion that a libertarian style of government can only function with solely self-sufficient people. Such people would work well under any system of government, sure, but they are not uniquely tailored for the libertarian one. The main distinction is that some of the functions that are mandated and controlled by a government would be more efficiently run by local private organizations and that participation would be optional. I think the key thing that is necessary for a libertarian government to function (and it is necessary for all the other forms too) is that laws are consistently enforced. Once property rights are respected, voluntary mutual interactions will occur and create new cultures and organizations.
Your assertion then is this style of government is the superior form for all peoples, places, and times, correct?
22:40 *fewer and fewer
Thanks for sharing.
Thats sams voice lol
Excellent interview. Well done.
cheers!
Why are y’all sitting so close together? No judgement.
Yeet.
I would gay marry Boyce... He looks like a good husband.
This guys a clown, a lib, and I’ll now disregard any of his “insights” on WW2. Benjamin, please breathe INTO the mic some more, it’s really pleasing
I compressed the audio wrong. 😣 my baf
Thirty and one hundredth
I can’t watch this guy with getting distracted by his weirdly spidery hands. His fingers are moving in all directions at once.
I'm distracted by his Nazism
You can not escape D's Jazz Hands of Deth. 🎸🎸🎸🏋️✊
Oy I cannot pay this man any mind after hearing his Tucker interview. Still love you 😊
Seems pretty reductive of you, but I've also consumed a lot of his material and respect him and give him the benefit of the doubt, so maybe the joke's on me. Or maybe you should listen more with an open mind and heart.
Not saying that with any snark. I'm trying to do this with people I can't stand, currently, with limited success. Best of luck if you choose that path.
@@FooMantis Thank you for your constructive criticism. I always try to take in minority opinions. But his views are no better than the Holocaust denial. That’s a hard line for me.
if you want that big conservative grift money, you're gonna need to fix those chompers first.
Late in the podcast Cooper said, "WW2 happened to the Germans too." It's statements like that that raise eyebrows and sounds "fascist adjacent" to many people. You made that kind of statement in the Carlson interview frequently and many people took those statements as a dog whistle. I confess I am not interested in "humanizing" Hitler or Stalin or Mao. There is virtually no benefit in stating that Hitler, Stalin and Mao were once innocent 3 year-old children. The key facts that define their lives are what happened not all that long after they were 3 years-old.
I think the generous interpretation of what he’s saying is we shouldn’t reduce these figures to caricatures but rather seek to understand the conditions that created this person and allowed their message to resonate with their populations in the time that they did. By seeking this understanding we get a better idea of how these situations develop. I think the critique of the mythology is that it creates a simplistic picture whose function is serve as a foundation of identity rather than an understanding of what really happened and how it happened. Also he probably believes some of the lessons learned in WW2 (appeasement is bad and preemptive confrontation is good) has served as justification for some disastrous foreign policy decision making in the time since the war. This is my read on a lot of what he’s said however I did have some disagreements with how he portrayed German behavior and its reasoning on the eastern front (in the Tucker interview). Cheers
If you take that position, you can’t humanize FDR or Churchill either. Ultimately, you can’t humanize yourself which is exactly what the German people have gone through post WW2. That’s really the nicest way I can say read more because you’re missing a lot in your understanding that is very relevant to today no matter your political persuasion.
why's he dressed so (un)professional?
He put as much thought into his dress as he did understanding WW2
I can't abide a liar.
So you can’t abide James Lindsey?
shalom
Yes that is why we oppose zionism.
What was the lie?
This guy is not very knowledgeable. If you want to hear a great historian, listen to Victor Davis Hanson.
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You clearly haven’t listened to Daryl’s podcast.
Oh yeah, and VDH thinks if you’re against Israel, you’re an antisemite. Most American Jews don’t support Israel. Goes to show you VDH is a shill, not a good faith actor or honest either.
Niall Ferguson
Maybe if i didnt get his pop up ads all the time i would
I was about to write off Lindsay as paranoid or spastic for his comments on Martyr Made (last time I thought Lindsay was going nuts, like previous times, Lindsay actually turned out to be right and his forecast for problems was correct - takes me a little while to get over my cog. dissonance). I've been a fan of Martyr Made for a few years, but little did I know of the actual depth of a Woke Right. Martyr Made may have fooled me and Dave Smith. Listen (or read tweets) to Darryl's enthusiastic praise for Pete Quinones or Thomas777 (self admitted Right Hegelian and not too timid Neo N-zi), or Pete's recent group podcast where one of the guests talked about "the value of lynching" with regard to Haitians or after Helene floods. Towards the end of Darryl's recent podcast with J Burden (another Right Woke podcaster), Darryl uses some very gnostic-Hermetic descriptions around the 1 hour 2 min mark = "Spirit" - "Spirit World" - "World he was thrown into" - ". . . took that human Material." Many might not get the clarity of these Idealist/Gnostic descriptions unless you follow Lindsay or Chavarria (frankly, Chavarria has been doing a much better job than Lindsay, in recent tweets, at making it clear what the Woke Right is and what makes them so (Idealism, gnostic-Hermeticism, esoteric/occult mythologies built into their purpose, etc.) I could see Dave Smith not getting this, he doesn't follow a lot of stuff, but I'd think Benjamin with his close tie to Lindsay and his podcasts discussing this stuff might see it. I don't fault either, I may have been fooled as well, but there is definitely some evidence and real support for Lindsay and Chavarria's claims of Cooper being in a Woke Right position. I say this being against Israel's ethnic cleansing, against Israel's too deep influence on US domestic and foreign policy and against Israel's belligerence with other Arab nations, thanks to Cooper's telling of the conflict.
What exactly is the Woke Right and how does it differ from the Woke Left?
Respectfully, @nacetroy, your comment (which I appreciate as a good faith attempt to express your authentic point of view) is why I opposed the “woke right” frame from the start. It has only associative content, and boxes Darryl into a network of context that doesn’t see him as someone groping, painstakingly and authentically, for genuine understanding of the world. All that “woke right” does, as a term, is box him into a Deplorables Basket. It makes him an enemy. It narrows him down to some functionary of evil. And I reject that. My entire work online has been an attempt to break down those inhuman categories and connect with the human entities that surround me.
@@BenjaminABoyce and I continue to respect you for that Benjamin. I had the same reaction that you mention above regarding the term and it's potential effect on free speech. I don't think the "Woke Right" should be silenced, de or un-plaformed or necessarily demonized; I do however believe it's important to ask what's important to those pushing a "Post Liberal" or "woke Right" agenda. With someone like Yarvin, he wants his CEO-Monarchist, with some Christian Nationalists, they want to merge religion and state, neither of these aims describes how we get there, whether it would actually be good for (just looking at the USA) US citizens or what would happen to those who don't want to go with that program, so it's an appeal to "traditional" culture or types of rule or extricating the grip of NWO/Regime socialism to sell the compliance to their projected power grab. Frankly, I'd like to believe that Lindsay, Clint, or others of their circle are wrong - that the Woke Right simply picked up alternate political theories as a way to figure out a solution to our current problems, but I don't hear from the Woke Right those concerns I've already mentioned.
@@Andrew-on-YT I mentioned sources in my post that you replied to, see those. If you don't trust Lindsay or Chavarria, look at the mapping of ideologies in a recent podcast by Tik - confirms exactly what Lindsay and Chavarria are saying. Now, are ALL of the Woke Right gnostic-Hermeticists? I'd think not, many are probably disaffected white boys (US, UK, Ireland), looking for rationalizations for the Woke Left's characterization and demonetization of them) looking for a way out of that position. Both right and left Wokies are pressuring for some confrontation, which should be another clue as to this being a dialectical trap. Both Woke Right and Left are Idealists based in esoteric and occult myths of being. Woke Left wants the promise of (never happens though) equity and taking down those in power. Woke Right want to resurrect a mythical identity of power, strength and former dominance that they believe is a birth or national right (or that's how I see it), even if they don't admit it. Those more vocal about what they really want (Quinones or Thomas777) will tell you. Tik also has a decent podcast out lining what a "Third Way" proponent believes.
James, come on man - you can’t even sock puppet convincingly.
The true villian of WW2 is Darryl Cooper. Completly twisting the lessons humanity learned from it.
Enjoy your cognitive dissonance.
What lesson did we learn from it? What is it you think he is twisting?
shalom boomer
Zionists have used WW2 as propaganda to ruin the west.
What lessons were learned that we can never let another genocide like the holocaust happen when we’ve let like 10 genocides happen on UN watch
I guess it’s good to talk to people like this, even anti-historians who perpetuate Nazi propaganda, but the danger is it dilutes the worthwhile stuff.
What specific N-word propaganda did he perpetuate? Be as specific as possible.
You've got to be joking with this... This is the final straw. I'm sorry, I can't stay subscribed. You're too far gone.
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Your comment is indistinguishable from parody.
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You are clearly unfamiliar with Daryl's work.
The final strawman, you say... 🤔
"It makes me uncomfortable"
Weak and boring interview with a weak and boring man.
So ben, after getting your ass handed to you by Kisin, you've crawled back down the alternative history rabbit hole. What a brave martyr you are, what a free thinker, unburdened with reality.
So woke.
Huh? I watched the entire video and didn’t get that impression at all. If anything Ben and Kisin had a good conversation.
I think Benji is about to become burdened by what never should have been.
1 hour and 30 minutes into the interview, barely any particular discussion about history, Churchill and H1tl3r mentioned like once and very briefly at that. They mostly talked about human relations, cultural issues, and Darryl's background and personal growth.
Why don't you watch the actual video, instead of sperging in the comment section?
@@SixtiesStick is that a rhetorical question? Hint: Cooper is just too 1-dimensional. Perhaps he'd be more popular with the TikTok kids; they seem less discerning.
Please talk to Karlyn.
Whats a karlyn?
@@wtice4632 late 19th c. Bohemian opera singer. Totally worth it,