THE GREATEST SHOWMAN vs. Bigotry with guest Jahannah James (Part 1/2)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 เม.ย. 2021
- Whether someone's feeling like they don't fit in (like the performers in P.T. Barnum's shows), or they're feeling judged for not meeting family or societal expectations (like Zac Efron and Zendaya's characters), The Greatest Showman can teach us a thing or two about accepting ourselves and others and combating bigotry. We all need acceptance. And we all need to be accepting.
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright are joined by @FunnyOldeWorld (and two enormous circus-sized bags of popcorn) to talk about interracial relationships, finding self acceptance and confidence, and being more accepting of others. And of course they sing along to some incredible songs from The Greatest Showman.
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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker and Alan Seawright
Produced by: Jonathan Decker, Megan Seawright & Alan Seawright
Edited by: Alan Seawright
Director of Photography: Bradley Olsen
English Transcription by: Anna Preis - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
I want to thank all of you who are complimenting my singing. It's been a hard couple of weeks (therapists are people with struggles too, lol) and you've lifted my spirits. Don't worry about me, everything's going to be okay. But thank you, sincerely.
You really do have a lovely voice. 💕 good vibes sent your way! I hope a “rewrite the star” duet with Alan is in the works! 😜
@@Kalaydascope thank you! Maybe we'll do a Cinema Therapy fan experience cruise in the future and we'll do this for karaoke, haha!
I’d be there, 100%. 😂 I’ll bring my favorite movie too! Disney’s Hercules!
I noticed your beautiful singing as well. Thank you for sharing yet another talent, even if it wasn't 100% intentional!
I was just relieved someone else couldn't help singing along. Hope life gets a bit brighter for you 💛
I love how Alan has evolved over time. He went from 'unlicensed filmmaker' to 'professional filmmaker' and then to 'unlicensed but professional filmmaker'. We love you, Alan!
Yes! All for it.
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But always he still needs therapy
@@SkyLimit101 we all do
Character growth at its best
16:48 ACTUALLY!! Zendaya did like 98% of all the trapeze stunts cuz she trained for like 2 months for all the stunts she was gonna do while filming. Omg i love Zendaya she´s amazing.
Yep and from what I heard she had no stunt double which is awesome!!!
I didn't know that but it really makes me appreciate that scene a lot more now!
She talks about how they had a stunt double, but tried to use the double as little as possible. The Tonight Show has a clip of her body-slamming Zac Efron th-cam.com/video/mriYyuDmB58/w-d-xo.html
You say 2 months like that's a lot lol that's nothing
@@pink_alligator Yes shes so talanted for not having to have done something like that😍🤯
These guys cuddle popcorn, sing along to love songs with no shame, and cry during every episode.
I love this.
Definitely
when I saw him take it off his lap near the end I kinda got mad that he broke his promise. Obviously that's stupid.
they are the definition of non toxic masculinity
@@thegr8johseriously like as a (still) teenager, this are LIFE GOALS MAN, life goals...i hope to be just as emotionally responsive and sincere
This movie was the first movie my Wife and I watched after we suffered a miscarriage and I had been trying to be a rock for my wife and hadn't even cried yet. The song A Million Dreams broke me one night and helped me open up to my wife about what I felt, something she had been needing me to do but didn't want to push me on.
As someone who has gone through that...twice...(you are not alone)...beware Finding Dory.
The scene where you realize how far the parents have gone to ensure Dory can find them...just broke me.
@@dclark142002 I completely agree! Yeah the thing that I learned from it the most was how many people truly loved us and were there for us! It also made my wife and I so much stronger we were already lifelong friends who were great together but it made us stronger than I could have ever imagined! Also we now have two boys both healthy and growing like weeds!
Miscarriage can be so hard on dads, and we really need to talk about it more.
This made me cry. My wife and I went through a very similar experience, where I held it all in trying to be the rock when all along she needed to know that I felt the pain too. We'd both been suffering in silence. I hope you two are doing better.
“I am the pimp of your tears” - licensed therapist. Ya love to see it.
Memento Mori🖤🤍
Jono is the pimp of all of our tears
They were looking for merch ideas. This is it! 😂
Too good
@@ladylemon202 Unus Annus
World: Comes to an end
Jonathan: Aggressively cuddles 5 gallons of popcorn 🍿
I’d do the same thing too if the world ever comes to an end lol
Something that recently stood out to me in the This is Me scene: I initially thought that the audience was shallow and only applauded because it was flashy and unusual. However, the audience is mainly the lower and middle class, who were likely looked down on by the upper class. They can relate to the performers on some level, and it is possible that they are getting more out of the performance than just laughs. At least that's how I took it :)
Please do a cinema therapy of Shrek and defying/challenging societal beauty standards x
Yesss!
I loved that Fiona plottwist when I first saw it.. I didn't expect that
Another one that challenges beauty standards is Red Shoes and The Seven Dwarfs. It's a surprisingly good movie, and the whole thing deals with image.
Yes yes yes yes and yes
@@TsukiKatana Yes!!! I was going to mention that honestly, Red Shoes does the 'defying beauty standards' message better than Shrek does. That would be a really good one for Cinema Therapy. Hopefully they'll discover it and do a review on that one!
Im gay and grew up Mormon in south east Idaho and one morning on the way to church my mom and I were alone in the car and she had seen this movie the night before and she played this is me for me. This song speaks to me in such a deep emotional way and that was the moment I knew 100% my mom loved me absolutely and accepted who I am. To this day this song makes me happy cry and feel so powerful and love myself for who I am.
That is such beautiful gesture from your mom.. Much love to both of you 🧡
That's awesome! What a great memory and what a great mom! Thanks for sharing!
This movie and me came out at the same time ;) "this is me" was my ánthem!
What an awesome Mama Bear! The world needs you and I'm so glad your mom supports you! ❤
that's amazing! currently closeted to my mormon parents but I hope they react just as well as yours did!
Jono singing along while hugging that huge bag of popcorn is the kind of content I didn't know I needed
Need more-
Yes
What I love about "this is me" is that no matter who you are and what community you are in (lgbtq+, different race, different religion, dissability, ect.) it makes you feel a little better about being yourself. Atleast it does for me. It makes me feel accepted.
I’m on permanent disability for severe panic attacks. The amount of family members who try to “encourage” me by recommending jobs to me is extremely disheartening. My aunt recently told me to get help at a facility, and when I researched the one she recommended to me it was an extremely pricey rehab for addiction (I’m not an addict, but her daughter was, so she assumes that’s my problem too). This song helps remind me that everybody’s version of success is different. To me, the fact that I’m still alive is a HUGE success. A job can come later, if and only if I decide that I’m ready for it. Yeah, I’m bruised. That’s what makes me brave!
@@eileensnow6153 thanks for posting! I have a heart disorder and a seizure disorder and have been trying to get on disability for two years! It’s extremely disheartening, because I look ok on the outside, but on the inside I’m a mess. I try to be strong and not let it get to me, but it’s extremely hard at times!
@@dawnburris6412 You’re doing exactly what you should be. And don’t let anybody tell you otherwise! Sometimes people don’t realize how much their “helpful advice” can serve as a reminder of how hard you’ve already worked just to continue on the right track. (For me it sounds like “Have you tried yoga? I had anxiety too until I learned how to relax ☺️”)
@@eileensnow6153 thanks! It’s so hard to keep down a job with the heart/seizure stuff! I’m trying though! Been seizure free for a year now, knock on wood! 🥳 I love you swim! That’s my outlet! Although I can’t swim alone…seizures. 🤦♀️ I’ve tried Yoga 🧘♀️. I’m lucky enough to walk straight! 😂
Yeah, I'm autistic and was having a lot of difficulties when this first came out. The song was actually a help.
Aww, Jonathan, YOU are five gallons of cuddly popcorn. Somehow.
Thanks? I mean, thanks!
@@CinemaTherapyShow, I just mean you're a sweetheart. Alan too. It' why I'm always here to bug y'all. Now that you reminded me of it, I'd do an a capella cover of "Rewrite the Stars" on my channel if I thought I could get off without a copyright claim, but I doubt I could. Damn.
Warm popcorn during a movie is a must.
Gallons?... as in liquid?
@@obadijahparks Another ambiguous American term. Gallon can be liquids and popcorn bags. I don't aak
Jahannah: "How very dare they!"
Jonathan: "They can ROAST IN HELL"
I laughed out loud xDD
Please 😂😂 amd the off camera 'Whoa', took me out
Therapists with an attitude, the hot new trend of 2021
Guys: New shirt quote, right there! I’d buy it!
Zendaya actually took classes for the trapeze stuff and did as many of her stunts as she was able to.
Someone once said "You can't make everyone happy, your not pizza." And now I live by that statment.
This hit me really hard. Thank you random person on the internet.
Also I literally make pizza for a living.
And I do try to make pizza to make everyone happy. So thank you for this. I can offer people pizza but I cant make them eat it.
@@rosemandle that's way better than "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink" and I will forever use your pizza version
Even pizza can't make everyone happy, so really its an impossibility
I heard someone once describe this movie as the story of PT Barnum as PT Barnum would have told it. Full of embellishments, half-truths, and even lies, but all in the service of making the experience as entertaining as possible.
Omg yes, it makes me cringe that Hugh Jackman REALLY wanted to tell this story. The other characters are great, but people don’t realize how awful PT Barnum really was.
@@clarkecalderon3331 i love the movie and it's message but i kinda wish they hadn't used the names of real historical people because pt barnum really was awful and they did jenny lind so dirty.
@@clarkecalderon3331 PT Barnum was both better and worse than this movie paints him. On the one hand, it paints over some of the really crappy stuff, like the "George Washington's nurse" thing... but it also omits his work to abolish slavery. He did some abhorrent things, you can't deny it, but he placed himself on the right side of the seminal conflict of his era, and that's certainly not nothing.
@@sevin3887 And rather you dislike that Circus or not it was still a very intriguing show. Actually I am a niece of a Clown who turned the company down in later years, because he got married and had a family and didn't want to be away.
So the "Other Side Song" always gets me because Mi Tio had the same Deal.
I didn't realize this was actually a good movie with a good message until watching this. I ignored it because I know that pt barnum was not a good person but I'll have to check it out.
I watched this movie because I'm a fan of Zendaya, but I couldn't get over the fact that they put such a positive spin on P.T. Barnum. He owned a slave and displayed her body for years after she died. He exploited vulnerable children. This man was an actual racist and grifter but they painted him as a savior in this move. I have to side-eye the writers and producers.
They could've changed the names so that he was just loosely based on Barnum (which is the case), but it probably wouldn't have attracted as much interest.
I thought of it as a myth, kinda like Hamilton.
@@hyenaedits3460 hamilton isnt portrayed as a good guy though
Yeah, I feel like the show was advertised as "for the marginalized" but besides this singular number, the whole thing was excusing PT Barnum's behavior and letting him always get up on top
Yeah, this was a guy who created a copy of the Cardiff giant (a statue of a ten foot man that was claimed to be a fossilized giant), and claimed that his (Barnum's) copy of the fake was the original. This was long after the giant had been debunked.
Barnum was so happy selling bullshit he went out of his way to copy someone else's, and pretend that his bullshit was the original.
Oh yeah, and he owned humans and took advantage of children, and vulnerable and marginalized adults.
We're not exactly talking about a principled man here.
Many years ago I was caught staring at a couple. They were so obviously in love with each other that I was struck dumbfounded. As I began to register their differences (He was tall, thin, and pale. She was short, stocky, and dark-skinned.) she puffed herself up and asked if I had a problem. I replied honestly: "No, you two just look so happy together!" They smiled and as they walked away I slowly realized most people did not stare at them for the reason I did.
"These people annoy me."
"Because of their perfection?"
"Because they're so great."
--> us at the Cinema Therapy team 🥰🥰
The best advice my gran ever gave me was "The people who matter don't mind and the people who mind don't matter".
Good ol' Dr. Suess ♥
I love that. 🥰
@@Nova7o9 Honestly, it's helped me so much.
Your grandma's words was what I needed growing up. I eventually came to a similar realization when I hit my 20s and had been through not only childhood trauma but several relationship traumas, "people who will judge you and never try to understand your side of a situation aren't worth keeping."
Damn right. I used to think it was a bother to everyone that I text a lot and very frequently, but I’ve gradually come to accept that, not all those people have matched my energy. I like communicating regularly with the people I care about, and if somebody else doesn’t wanna reciprocate that effort or appreciation, then that’s on them, and I’ll move on to someone who actually gives me back the same amount of energy I give to them
i am married to a hispanic man and the diffrence on how people react to us drives me nuts. like on time my husband got pulled over for "running a red light" when the light had just turned green before we proceeded and the cops patted him down and even though they had a female office with them they left me alone and where just really rude to him the whole time and then had dogs come sniff his car. my husband is the sweetest most gentile person i know and to see him be treated that way got under my skin so bad. we were dropping family off at the air port some cop noticed that he wasnt white and followed us. he never asked the cops anything and just complied where i was asking questions left and right. if it had of been up to me i would have told them no there is no need to have the dogs sniff the car if you are really pulling us over for running a light then give us a ticket and lets get on without days. i called them raicest too
I’m so sorry you and your husband had to go through something so terrible, I hope it wasn’t too distressing for either of you. Honestly don’t know why people still think it’s acceptable to do stuff like this. Wishing you both the best :)
My condolences for you and your husband. Racial profiling cops are the worst...
I’m so sorry you have been through this you shouldn’t have to in this day and age people should know better by now
Oh, cops are super racist. The jury is IN on that. At least they didn't murder him.
@@catwitdabigdog2076 yeah i was glad for that too. The jury is hand picked to be bias in a lot of ways. The whole justis system in america is messed up.
I have an autoimmune disease that I was diagnosed with at 18, I recently had to start walking with a cane and using a wheelchair if we go somewhere that requires a lot of standing or walking. The amounts of glares I get from people is heartbreaking. Not even a "poor girl" glare. It's a straight up "she's faking so she gets special treatment". I wish they could understand.
I’m so sorry that people look at you that way! I mean, it’s not like you can control the face that you have that disease. My uncle has a condition that requires him to use a wheelchair and he can’t do really anything for himself, we love him still and try our best to do the best for him, but it hurts how many people feel uncomfortable around him just because he isn’t like them
I had surgery on knee once and my sis wanted me to go shopping with her. The amount of dirty looks I got in the store as I went around in a wheelchair. I even stood up on my good leg a couple of times to reach something up high, and an old lady retaliated by literally blocking me in between the jewelry stands where I couldn't turn around or move. The only way out was by standing and walking, but I obviously couldn't do that.
Oh my god that is insane! I don't understand what is going through thos people's minds! There should be more awareness over different conditions and how people need wheelchairs sometimes all the time, sometimes some days, sometimes if they know that they will need to move far or for a couple of hours. Because apparently people are not educated AT ALL. Even when I didn't know about wheelchairs only being needed sometimes explicitly, I never just assumed someone didn't need one. I also don't see the appeal in faking it unless it's for court. These types of people would rather take something from 100 people that need it if there is just 1 person that doesn't need it benefiting somehow.
Reading this comment and all of the replies, I don't even know what to say. It just makes me...mad.
@@Homesicktraveler thankfully over the past year I've regained my ability to walk. I even went hiking for the first time in a while! Last time I went, it took me 30 minutes to walk less than mile, now I can walk the whole trail! I still have my canes just in case, since it's RA I know eventually it will progress, but my doctor is pretty confident of how I've been doing! I still get glared at for my handicapped tag though. I do still need it for my bad days
I would love to see a Cinema Therapy for the Guardians of the Galaxy movies! So many complex family dynamics there
Oooooh. Yes!!!
I'd love to see a cinema therapy about The Hunger Games and Katnis' journey in those films.
Yes!!!
Excellent representation of PTSD in those films, from multiple characters, with multiple coping mechanisms. Great pick.
Yes!!! Great example of PTSD and anxiety
Ugh, I hate that whole series so much. The makeup and things were done so well, but ick. It's just gross to watch children murdering each other...and the way the series ended and what happened to Petra...his character suddenly changed...no clear reason why...(maybe trauma due to the world he lived in??) But it's definitely a good choice for them. I read the books and saw the movies, but I just heartily dislike it.
YES!!
Can you react to Spiderman Into the Spiderverse, there is a lot to be discussed in terms of expectations from those around you and “being ready”.
That would be so awesome!
And family dynamics. I LOVE the dad in that movie.
YES
Yes!
Yes, please. Let's make this happen!
As a theatre kid back in highschool and has always loved musicals, I am SO GLAD that musicals are sort of back in fashion again in the movies.
Me too. I grew up seeing plays (community theater), and I love musicals. I became OBSESSED with this movie as a freshman and still love it today, I've just broadened my horizons with musicals
My daughter and I had "that conversation" at an earlier date when we went to see "Hidden Figures" another wonderful family film. She's always been interested in space and when she saw the trailer, she wanted to go so bad. She was 6. I took her to see the film and afterward, she was like "Why did she have to go so far to the bathroom?" We had to have that talk.
That’s awesome. Glad that film positively impacted the both of you, but especially her. I know that feeling, not because I’ve had a film spark that conversation between my parents and I, but I remember watching Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) for the first time as a child, and that was what instantly sparked my goal to be a director one day (which I now am, having directed and written an award-winning short film)
"5 gallons of popcorn is very cuddly." 😂
Hugs popcorn with one hand and eats it with the other.
Bakana is snugglier xxx
I think we all can agree that “This is Me” is the universal “Take This, Haters!” song, without a doubt!
"We all have to be quiet for a moment, I gotta hear that note" is 90% of my life
The line from "This is Me" that speaks the most is "And I know that I deserve your love; there's nothing I'm not worthy of!" As someone who struggles with self-loathing and imposter syndrome, this mantra is some that chokes me up every time.
Also, I forgive the historical inaccuracies for everyone EXCEPT for what they did to Jenny Lind! She was a person who in real life donated her time and money to the development of free education! Her character was described as "charity, simplicity, and goodness personified" and by all accounts she was a wonderful person. The movie is a character assassination of her and while I love it, I'm not going to forgive it for tarnishing her memory.
OH MY GOSH I JUST FIGURED OUT everytime in rewrite the stars it's Zendaya who pulled away first (Zac jumped to catch her lol) it's literally their relationship up till that point
I'm an idiot
You and me both. Time to rewatch it!
You are not an idiot, you are clever cause you paid attention to the details this time around :)
@@kittypowaa7760 the first time I watched this in the theaters I was trying really hard not to belt the songs out loud lmao
@@nvk225 honestly mate that is very fair, you belt out those notes!
Damn, I want a "Rewrite the stars" version sung by Jonathan and Alan (as a duet of course) 😀
Acted out/cheap movie budget version, of course!
I just came from a jonathan young video and this comment confused me for a solid five seconds
After half of the film my husband turned to me and whispered "why cant they be together - i dont get it" because he didnt even recognized the interracial 'problem', he really wasnt getting it. and i LOVE him for that
Honestly I never understood it either until I had already watched the movie at least 4 times and someone else pointed it out. I totally forgot racism was huge back then and that she and him being together would be groundbreaking
She looks white from far away, especially in the wig. I'm not convinced the audience at the circus would have even noticed.
I thought it was a class thing... They are from different classes that is why it was frowned upon. It was a huge thing back then
In parts of the US, they would still get ugly looks from a lot of people.
@@ThashniNaidoo It's still a thing today...
My daughter is 6 and is on the Autism spectrum. To hear her sing "this is me" with such conviction is so powerful. This movie is fantastic for teaching kids to love themselves for who they are.
Actually zendaya did a lot of her own stunts in this movie. Because first day of filming the director told her that they where going to use her double as little as possible.
You guys did not just use Raymond Holt. God I love that.
Best character on a show full of great characters.
@@CinemaTherapyShow YASSSS Queen (in Raymond Holt's voice)
@@angelinacave6576 Get. Some. Get. Some.
As a person who was in an interracial relationship for several years, I relate to Jahannah's experience on a deep, personal level. These kind of aggressions still happen all the time. There has been times I was with my step-daughter and people thought she was in danger or I was "the help." There has been times my husband and I was forced to leave restaurants or entire towns for our safety. Also, the overly friendly compliments while appreciated, are strange.
I will admit though, there were times it was really funny. We use to watch my niece and nephews all the time and would take them out on little adventures with my step-daughter. My nephews are biracial and my niece is light skinned, with one nephew clearly being older and my step-daughter being the next in age. People always assumed all the children were ours and seeing the double takes and the strange leaps in logic strangers would take to justify us as a group was hilarious. There are so many logical reasons two adults would be out with a group of kids, and they NEVER came up. Ever.
Damn, it feels good being normal
Ah the double takes… I have five kids who are half white/half Korean and two who are full Somali. Im always thinking “it’s a blended family people, you might have heard about them” 😆
I’m SO sorry you’ve feared for safety though. That’s horrible.
I love how usually cinema therapy are like "look at this interesting human interaction let's talk about it" and yet this one is more *WHAT IF WE REEEEEEEWRITE THE STARS* *SHUT UP GUYS LISTEN TO ZENDAYA* *Oooooooo prettyyyyyyy* *Well they can ROAST IN HELL.*
We uh... got really into it.
@@CinemaTherapyShow I mean.... Its The Greatest Showman. You can't not get into The Greatest Showman.
Thankfully, me having ADHD, the “This is me” song is something I still love. Cause it’s something I can related in some many ways.
Aw same here it's so hard for me to understand that people often think that I'm weird or always anxious and hyper but that's just how I am and I've found the community that loves me the way I am (well not always I can be a bit dramatic at times) but I hope you find those people for you too and love yourself
As an autistic circus artist, when I tell you i cried. I crrrrieeeedddd haha!
I might have adhd, anxiety, and depression so when people tell me that im not enough or that i need to change it hurts. People tell me to just focus, not forget, and stop being so dramatic and emotional. I dont know if they are trying to be mean or hurt me but it does. Its not like i can control my feelings. Which has lead me think that my life is in control me of me. I cant do anything other than just go through it. Im trying to not get in that place of being almost like a living corpse. Its hard but im going to try.
Looking back at the movie, i can relate to it, it means a lot.
I have ADHD and Anxiety too, @Sakura Pablo, I know what you mean.
@@Joy6168 😊
The historical inaccuracy of this movie is sadly a barrier against fully enjoying it. I love the songs and the bearded lady is fabulous (there definitely needed to be more of her), but making P.T. Barnum a hero while knowing who he was historically just rubs me the wrong way.
Same. I just don’t want to even watch the full movie because of that
I love the movie, but even before knowing the truth of PT Bartem in real history. I didn't like him, he drove me mad
@@taylorhagen3916 The movie tries so hard to make him roguishly sympathetic, it's like they need to overcompensate for historical Barnum's horrible actions.
@@tatianamelendez490 I know what you mean, I was just saying I didn't really feel bad for him at all. He was definitely my leat favorite "good guy"
@@taylorhagen3916 same
My criticism of this movie is that it glosses over a lot of issues that part of the actual history that should be addressed. Like how the real circuses actually exploited "freaks" and sensationalized them. Also the abuse of elephants. If the historical context were removed I would love it.
I think that's why I love this movie. The songs have such a purpose. "A Million Dreams" is the hope, "Come Alive" is realising your dream, "This Is Me" is pretty much the essence of the whole thing and "Never Enough" is the moral, "Rewrite the Stars" is almost a lament that society needs work, "Tightrope" is like evaluation, "From Now On" is like a reminder not to blow it. I was the same as Jahannah, I was pretty much the only person in the theatre so just sat and bawled. It was a Friday afternoon and there was another show half an hour later and I asked if I could stay there.
Did you get to stay?
The writers of this wrote the musical Dear Evan Hansen which is about a marginalised teen with social anxiety disorder. The songs are wonderful
No way?? Really?!?
oh my god...
I would love a dear evan hansen movie
@@LannasMissingLink it's coming...
@@Kuei74 really?!
I'm loving all this attention towards my girl Keala Settle. Not the biggest fan of The Greatest Showman but she was certainly my favorite part of the movie. Insanely talented and insanely underrated and I hope we'll get to see her in more musical projects in the future
Watching two grown men nerd out over a love ballad in a musical - and singing along - totally made my morning, thanks guys! :D
I'm autistic and a circus artist and this movie hit me at times, like the hopp scene? I've done aerial hoop since i was 11 so that just me. I happen to be researching circus now for a masters and then PhD after ..
Do IT!!
@@katiearbuckle9017 i will!:D
A PhD in circus is the coolest thing I've ever heard
This movie really touched me because growing up with a disability, I know what it's like to be laughed at and treated differently. It makes me sad that there are forms of entertainment where you can stare and laugh at people who are different, I even attended PT Barnum and Bailey Circus, without the sideshow, and I loved it, which is why I was surprised to see the movie, but I still loved the story, the music, oh my god the music is perfect, and the characters. It was perfect, especially in a century where people are still being ridiculed for their sex, race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.
I live in China and my husband is Chinese and I'm white and I get overly happy when I see mixed couples because it's just nice to see it happening more often and being normalized. ESPECIALLY foreign women with Chinese men because they are so discriminated against romantically and in media. I get EXTRA happy when I see them cast as romantic leads in media. Glenn was basically the only reason I kept watching The Walking Dead haha. It IS weird when Chinese men will tell my husband that he is "so lucky" to have a WHITE wife because that to me smacks of both internalized racism AND overt racism towards other people of color.
My husband was Japanese...but we lived in the US. Racism is still very real, sadly. :-(
Yeah whenever I've been interested in non-white men, I always ask if they are interested in me *because* I'm white. I don't mind if they have a preference, but if they would never ever consider marrying a woman of their own color, I need to know why. One man said it was just his experience with women of his color, he just got turned off from them. I accepted that reasoning. I just didn't want to be seen as this incredible achievement due to my color.
@@spooniesarah I was on a dating site once and a black man said he was looking for a blonde haired white woman who played piano to go to Africa with him as a missionary. He wanted her to teach the African children about God, be his wife, play the piano in his services, and have and raise his kids.
I'm not blonde, but he said he'd make allowances if I suited all the other things he wanted. I asked why white, and he said it's just the preference God gave him. I'm a Christian, but I noped right out of there.
It seemed more like a job interview than dating. His requirements and attitude creeped me out.
@@Andreamom001 yeah God didn't give him any preferences. I'd have rejected him for the exact same reason. I'm a Christian too and I'm just like...no. He's trying to use God to justify his preferences instead of owning up to them. I have preferences too. I prefer non-white men. However I'm planning a wedding to a man who is white, because all that truly matters is that we make a good team and he loves me for me, and I love him for him. I do find my BF attractive of course.
@@Falkor82 I accept this as a separate story since it is so far removed from reality. It's clearly not actually based on PT Barnum, so I see it as the story of a different person or as a person like him could have been in an alternate version of reality (multiverse, whatever). But I understand why so many don't like the movie. PT Barnum was NOT a nice man. He used and tricked people. I see your point, and I think it's valid.
As a trans person, "This is me" is very powerful. I dont have words
Came here to say this. This movie played a big part in my coming-out, it has a very special place in my heart.
I'm a gay black man, and I was in a relationship with a white guy a few years ago. I never thought much about the race aspect because I knew people would see the gay aspect first. When Jahanna was talking about people overcompensating and telling them "what a beautiful couple they are" it really hit home. It's the same for gay couples. We would hear it the most from restaurant employees which was weird.
"This is me" helped me come to terms with my neurodivergence
Honestly it was an anthem for me in the gym for a while. Made me feel like my blindness wasn't gonna stop me from anything
As an autistic I am happy for you, but I am also sad that it was this story that set you down this road, because there is just so much you are going to have unpack because of it now.
adhd brain here o7 Same. Big same.
I would like to like this a million times over
Same in a way, but for me its Million Dreams about my hyperfixations on storytelling and being an author.
I’m a person with disability I known the history and how problematic the true story was and while there was some good songs. I didn’t like it and i haven’t watched it since the first time. And I’m not sure if I’ll ever invest my time in watching it again. But it is good to see you all talk about it, so I can see why so many people did like it.
I can totally relate! I heard the song "This is me" and bought it online immediately because I thought it was about disability, but then I haven't been able to watch it since.
@@Falkor82 I know, but they wouldn't give me a refund since I'd watched the movie after purchase. A lesson to not impulse purchase for sure.
As for me I felt absolutely nothing watching this movie.
I'd still say try to ignore the historical relevance. I think it's a great story on it's own.
If you like the concept and don't mind some horror.
The season "freakshow" from american horror story did a similar thing but better.
Characters with flaws and not pretending some asshole who actually lived was kind and charming.
They also hired a whole bunch of people with disabilities for the roles of multiple characters.
The rest of the cast is great aswell.
Kay but Johnathan's, "they can burn in hell" moment genuinely frightened me. I was not expecting that
I was bullied most of my childhood and into my teens, so it took me 20 years (I'm 36 as of right now) to finally be ok with people not liking me. As Jahannah said, I'm not going to be everyone's cup of tea, and I'm (finally) ok with that.
Ladies and gents this is the moment you've waited for~
Thank you. I am so disappointed in all the other comments. They were here hours before you, and none of them thought to put this comment.
@@masontalarico7090 you're welcome 😄😉
@@Falkor82 I know what you mean. I just wanted to put something fun to the comment section... Sorry, didn't mean to offend.
@@Falkor82 Dude chill, neither I nor Zyts mentioned P.T. Barnum. I simply pointed out that so many people were already in the chat of a video that gave everyone the chance to do this quote, yet no one did the quote except Zyts.
@@andysolomon7668 Felt that reaction on a spiritual level😂😂😂
Them singing rewrite the stars was surprisingly good.
I laughed way to hard reading this
As someone who's been in many interracial relationships it really is a different type hurt to have that special person pulled away cause the looks and judgment.......but god does it mean the world when rather pull away they pull you closer. My now fiance did this for me and each time it still suprises me and warms my heart.
His father bluntly said he won't allow him [my fiance] be with a POC and my finance time an time again stands up for us.
To anyone in an interracial relationship just know the right one will stand up for you. You won't have to ask or plea. The right one will speak up for you both no matter the looks, glares, hate, or etc. Even if is their parents. The right one will not allow you to be so disrespeted
The father was just trying to protect their family heritage. What your fiance did was basically cut the roots. Shame
@@clownworks3149 you are probably a troll. But if not. Yuck. Not nice. Very racist.
I feel like I’m really out of touch, but I don’t know what a POC is?
And I like you’re profile picture. Did you draw it yourself?
@@redsavagequeen poc is just a short umbrella term used to say "person of colour" aka anyone not white
I know that this song wasn’t talked about too much, but can we just appreciate the fantastic lyrics of Never Enough. The song at the beginning comes off as a love, saying that everything means absolutely nothing unless they have the one they love by their side. As the song goes on, it strays away from the theme of love and talks about how nothing is enough for them, not even mentioning the person they were just saying they can’t live without. This song foreshadows how Barnum becomes selfish, and puts his success before the ones he loves most. This song unpacks so much, yet is one of the most simple songs in the movie. Absolutely amazing 🤩
Exactly! Contrasted with "A million dreams," which despite it's big number uses the phrase, "is all it's gonna take," which sounds so hopeful and humble... Never Enough is so pretty but so greedy. And then there's that moment in A Million Dreams when they're dancing at the station when PT looks in that restaurant window, it's such perfect foreshadowing that he'll lose sight of his dreams later, even that his wife pulls him back into the dance. This movie is so well made....
As someone with autism, I love the song A Million Dreams. I relate to it because it makes me think about my hyperfixations and my love for storytelling and my dream to be an author. I think of all the stories I wnat to get to writing right away. A million dreams are keeping me awake.
I'm autistic too. Haven't seen the movie but now I know i have to!
Same
When it first came out, I wasn’t that into musicals and all of that. But here I am now, a musical fan because of this movie (I’ve been listening to Hadestown and Phantom of the Opera a lot lately). I’m aware of the things that are very much wrong with the movie, but I just love the songs very much. Have a good day person who took the time to read this.
Edit: Hey can I tell you a (kinda) funny story? When I first watched the movie, I was so into it and I used to watch AMVs of it. At some point, however, I came across this video with the song “Never Enough.” At first, I was like, “This is really good art! The play Hamlet seems pretty neat!” (Note that this was before I learned that Hamlet is really about) Then my English teacher told my class to read Hamlet (the full play). I was too tired to actually read it so I thought, “Hey! There was that one musical called Hamlet, right? Maybe I’ll watch that instead of reading it!” I watched the original vid and it was pretty neat so I decided to listen to one of the songs. But then I slowly realized that I may have gotten something wrong. I misread the name and had been listening to Hamilton the whole time.
Well thanks! I hope you have a good day too :)
Same, before I saw it no musical really caught on with me, but after I'd seen it there was no going back.
Hadestown is amazing!
You know, I don't care of the historical facts. The people who made this musical to life were NOT sharing or encouraging PT's ideals, on the contrary. This movie had a positive impact on so many people. And to be honest I didn't even know who the guy was before the movie came out but now with the polemic everyone will know what a horrible person he was.
Anyway, have a good day to - A Hadestown fan ;)
Oh no, this is so funny
I am glad that I only mixed up the names a few times xD
Have a nice day (or night), too!
So Zendaya actually learned how to trapeze to do most of her own stunts. Zac and her also did the scene where they slammed into each other themselves. Love you guys!!
This movie hits different for me. I worked in a movie theater back then, and the manager, which was a lovely woman and a big friend of mine uploaded this movie for the week. Unfortunately, she died and what hurted me the most was having to listen to all these beautiful uplifting songs with a bittersweet feeling, knowing that she was the one who scheduled that week's movies, that she did it for the last time, and once the week was over, she'd never do it again.
I think it's great that people are able to find meaning and enjoyment in this movie. I'm glad that there are things in it that resonate with people. It's just difficult for me, knowing who P.T. Barnum was, to get on board with it. He did reprehensible things, and treated people like animals (and didn't treat animals too great either), and it's heartbreaking to read and hear the actual true stories of these people. That said, I think it's fortunate that this is a musical, because it's possible to separate the songs from the context of the movie, and they still have great meaning on their own.
To be honest, if this was just a movie about just some guy who owns a circus, named literally anything besides P.T. Barnum, then I'd probably like it 100 times more. It does have some great things in it. As it is, though, it's not a movie I can pay much attention to without getting upset.
Zendaya and Zac Efron, Disney stars that made it.
On thing I really love about Zendaya's character (Anne, I believe her name is?) is how poised she is, how even when she's the subject of racism and hatred and all those things she never once lets her head down. When Zac let go of her hand her head stayed up, when she was faced with his parents her back stayed straight. And she's not loud or aggressive even though no one blame her if she was, she's just quietly dignified because she knows who she is and even though those words an actions *hurt* her, she's not going to let them *change* her. And that is so very admirable.
As a Black woman I know you mean well, but this comment is backhanded and ignorant in multiple ways. Congratulating people for being “poised” in the face of racism is why racism persists.
I had a good parenting moment with this movie, when at the end my 15 yr old daughter didn't realize the parents didn't like Zac dating Zendaya because she was black. She just thought it was a " you can't date someone in the circus!" thing. It just never occurred to her that it could be because of race. Good parenting self five!!
18:48 On the topic of racism and learning racism, I was watching Monster High:Fright on and the plot of the movie revolves around vampires and werewolves trying and succeeding at getting along with one another until Van Helscream comes and keeps the fires burning by teaching racism through history. I think its a great film that is pretty insightful for a 44 minute TV special designed to sell toys.
Loved that you emphatized that you have to find your crowd (your kind of people).
A lot of the time you are just expected to get along with everybody. I hate going to places where I have to 'mingle' because it's just so hard to find your kind of people, and I find it hard to talk to people I don't know at all and stuff, and unfortunately some people will still be like: "you just have to be more assertive you know, everything will be fine!"
I'm fine with my close friends I don't need to talk to strangers thanks.
The fact that Jonathan and Alan just burst into song when Rewrite The Stars came on made me day 👏🏻
I legit thought Zac Efron was singing, "Everybody's talking bout my tight pants... Got my tight pants on."
I like that zendaya actually did the stunts herself and all of it was without net(which yes is dangerous)
Source?
I'm having a hard time believing the producers would allow one of the main (i.e. expensive) actors to endanger themselves like that. It's not just a risk to the actor, but the whole production.
I think she did have a net
I so relate to being” too much” and “too annoying”. I have had that all my life with ADHD and I also feel like it is my fault when anyone around me is annoyed at anything. It is that look you get like “when your done, we will finish.”
I fell pregnant at 17 and it was a big change obviously but I gained so much confidence and lost all fear and anxiety I had because I felt like a goddess. I couldn’t care less of what people thought of me. I’m unapologetically me.
"Everybody's talking 'bout my tight pants, I've got my tight pants on." 😂😂😂😂
Edit to add: Jono has a really nice voice. Loved listening him sing to Rewrite the stars.
I know Greatest Showman is not very well liked from a critical standpoint but man did I enjoy it. Saw it twice in theaters and sing along to the soundtrack often!
not even 5 minutes in and I'm in tears.... forgot how powerful that song is.
As a disabled person who is OBSESSED with musicals, I didn't like this one. I didn't like it as a film, but I definitely didn't like the portrayal of a man who ran a freak show, who groomed the dwarf in the film and had him drinking wine by age five and smoking cigars by age seven for the public's amusement, the bearded lady from the film was a slave he exploited, and he exploited indigenous people just as much. So it's a real trip seeing him painting as some kind of hero of the marginilised.
Can you please do a cinema therapy on Heather’s and toxic/unhealthy relationships? It’s favorite movie but I’d be really interested to hear your opinions on it
That tight pants jingle was amazing! 🤣🤣🤣 @13:56
I just rewatched this movie last night, so this was timely. And while it definitely isn’t historically accurate. The message is so good in it. And the music. Let’s be honest, I could jam to the music all day.
I always thought the modern style of the opening number was the movie saying: hey you, don't expect historical accuracy of any kind. And go!
I love, Love, LOVE that you included the behind-the-scenes bit of that song! It's so amazing and the emotion in that room is such a palpable thing.
The lyrics “ another round of bullets hits my skin” reminds me of the very famous saying sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never harm me. They will harm you. But it’s your job to keep going. Life isn’t painless.
Please do a therapist reacts to Repo: the Genetic Opera. Its got some good songs, messed up family dynamics, fake blood that looks about as realistic as kool-aid, and a pretty good storyline.
Omg did you think of this because he said 'genetic perfection'?? cuz thats exactly where my thoughts went haha!
Zydrate comes in a little glass vial
@im.a.book.dragon347 A little glass vial!
and the little glass vial goes into the gun like a battery
And the Zydrate gun goes somewhere against your anatomy
For me the „this is me“ song meant so much cause I described myself as a teenager as a Glas vase that broke and I keep cutting myself trying to put the pieces together, letting them drop and smashing them in the process even more. So the „broken parts“ line really rang true for me.
So glad you covered this film. I’ve been told I’m “too much” too. “Thus is me” is SUCH an anthem for the marginalized indeed. Tribes are fantastic.
"No matter what you do, you'll have haters." So good.
EDIT: Thank you for your feedback on this episode. Some of you recommended we have a person of color guest when talking about prejudice. Please give some love to our Remember the Titans and Just Mercy episodes, where we did exactly that. We welcome diverse voices on the show and will continue to do so. We will also seek to find films in which marginalized groups take front and center.
P.T. Barnum was indeed mischaracterized here. The Greatest Showman is a work of utter fiction and we enjoy it as such. We agree that Hugh Jackman's role would have been better suited by a fictional name instead of glorifying a man who didn't deserve it.
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.......way to be as tone death as this movie is, sure follow your dreams and completely ignore all the less fortunate people that you broke to get there
Guys, are you sending around emails to people who signed up to hear about your page where one has to klick a link to confirm something? Cause I got two of them today and yesterday and they kinda look like a scam to me...
@@l.f.2189 those are from us.
@@kingdomkey63 How did we ignore less fortunate people? How did we break anybody? It's true that P.T. Barnum was not a great man. I always saw the film as utter fiction, a point driven home by the modern pop songs and heightened reality of the storytelling and choreography. I respect that you disagree and feel that the film is tone deaf.
ok but why do I have to confirm twice?
I don't want to take away any benefit to film helped anyone or that they related to it but I had a hard time getting into this film knowing the dark history of the circus and the exploitation of people through it. I guess I just relate more to the exploitation and the tragedy history. The film is stunningly beautiful and the music is nice but it just seemed contradictory to me to what it was supposed to be signed to say. I thought the concept was probably supposed to be similar to The Butterfly circus short movie which I loved but somehow the musical just didn't sail off for me.
I kind of get that way about pirates in kids shows. Even the cleptomaniac pirate in Paw Patrol is mostly just a greedy kid.
On the part about misfits - my favorite author, Terry Pratchett, was told as a child by his headmaster that he would never amount to anything. It hurt him deeply and I'm not sure he ever got over it. But, he went on to be one of the world's top selling authors and was given a Knighthood for Services to Literature. Also he changed my life, and many others, with his realistic but compassionate understanding of human nature. His anger at people who made the world unfair and unkind drove his writing, and brought joy and healing to so many people.
When Zendaya turned 18 she decided to select a charity to donate money to on her birthday since she was an adult. At the time she chose Convoy of Hope (an organization dear to my heart as an AG girl from MIssouri). I"m not sure if she stayed with them or moved on to other organizations as well, but that's about the time I really started sitting up and taking notice of her.
Jonathan actually has good pipes and I am very surprised
No one:
Jonathan: *hugging popcorn*
Love this part 1 so far! Can't wait for part 2! The part when Jahanna was talking about how her and her partner are treated due to being "different" is how my bf and I were treated similarly. My bf and I are of Caucasian decent, but I was born with a very noticeable disability (one foot deformed) so I'm used to being stared at (to an extent) because I walk with a limp and if I'm wearing shorts or capris, the brace I wear is exposed. He got to experience what it's like for me once when we went shopping at a local Walmart for a few things one day. A grade school aged kid was just dead locked staring at me. I noticed the kid was, but I was just ignoring them. However, that bothered him bad enough where he told the kid kindly to stop. He sadly had a small taste of what I deal with on an almost daily basis, doesn't matter if it's kids or adults. Like Zac with Zendaya in the movie, he looked past my disability and only loved me for who I was as a person. His family nor my family thankfully never treated us differently either due to that factor. The only thing that did kinda make them scratch their heads was that him and I had an 11 yr. age gap and decided date each other lol. We were together for 4+ yrs. up until sadly his sudden passing in February. R.I.P. Ryan, love you forever and always
the way jonathan sang the opening of the greatest showman on pitch PERFECTLY?!!
I'm hoping you can make a reaction video of the movie "A Monster Calls". I think it is very beautiful. I love the way how the Monster sees things from different perspectives. It was just captivating. There's so much depth from the stories that the Monster tells.
that movie was so awfully sad. I cried like a baby during the film
Yes! The whole thing with the duality of man is 👌
just watched that one recently 👌
I haven't seen the movie but I did read the book and it made me cry so much!! It was such a good exploration of grief.
OH FRICK YES THIS...pleease Cinema Therapy!, the symbolism, the visuals, the acting, sound design, the message by ghad the MESSAGE. It's just beyond words and broke me for days on end that us until i rewatch it again and be broken again in a good way
SPOILER! (NOT REALLY)
"It ends with a boy holding tight onto his mother, and by doing so, he can finally let her go."
.. PLEASE CINEMA THERAPY ..give this movie a shot!
Thank you for validating my gut reaction to always sing along to Rewrite the Stars. 😂
lol yup!
You can't not sing along to it or any of the other songs! They're so good!
Never hesitate! All the songs in this movie are absolutely wonderful!
"I automatically think it is because of me, cause I'm too much or too annoying." Girl, you speak from my heart. I'm getting better at this, and I am better at this than I was 5 years ago, but I'm still not fully there. But I will be one day.
Brings a whole new meaning to comfort food.