@ Won't be possible as Android 12 and onwards needs ARMv8 and most Lumia devices only have older ARMv4 to v7. Also same reason why the underground community building Windows 11 for older Lumia devices is at the end of road.
@@SirFaceFone Windows 10 Mobile and WP8.1 reached end of life in 2018 (after doing basic security updates 2016-2018). No need to cry further and just move on like the rest of us.
Looks the way it was intended since the beginning. Smooth, Polished and Ready for Launch. This build quality is what needs to be released to appeal to the masses but I get why they did when they did it.
I already have the Fold 4 but I got an unlocked brand new duo for $250 and I just couldn't pass it up. I have to admit I like it more than I thought I would. The numerous updates have made a big difference from when it first came out. I'm using it as my daily driver for now and it's actually running just fine. Now that I already have t he fold I'd probably choose it but if I had bought this before I probably would have never bought the fold.
I am glad Microsoft is focusing a lot on the operating system. By the time they release a Surface Duo 3 it will prob be far more polished than the first two Duos. This is the next step that Microsoft seems to be taking attempting to replicate their early success with the Microsoft Surface lineup.
@@msp5138 I have been wanting to own one. Duo 2 is a substantive improvement to the Duo 1. Duo 1 is still excellent and great. I remember the Surface series did not see much success until the Pro 3. Were the Pro 1 and Pro 2 terribly flawed? Of course not, I remember the Pro 2 was very comfortable and easy to use having owned one myself. But the Pro 3 really optimized a lot of features like the kickstand, the Surface Pen, and the Type Cover.
@@msp5138 Considering the features that the Duo 2 has (NFC, upgraded camera, updated processor, 5G) that the Duo 1 lacked, I would certainly say that yeah the Duo 2 is an upgrade. In terms of the form factor, both the Duo and Duo 2 are worth it, but the problems that plagued Surface Duo at the start (but not as much now) are problems that even Samsung had to deal with in their foldable lineup.
So I went and got a Surface Duo 1 after watching this video and a couple of others. Arrived this morning. Android 12L has made this a great device. What an incredible second device. This is the way that Microsoft needs to focus the product. Don't bother trying to be a phone replacement but an incredible second device with 5G/4G connectivity. So great software, great screens and connectivity. But cameras, don't need them and treat this more like a tablet than a phone. I would have gone for Surface Duo 2, but this device is better due to the lack of camera bump and a nicer design. This is now go-to device for work email. Pity it took Microsoft 2 years to get there. Hopefully Surface Duo 3 perfects this form factor.
I can confirm that is working on Duo 1 as well. It looking great like Windows 11. So Windows 11 design language are on Duos and now lets wait for Xbox Series X|S dashboard update to match that design.
@@HauTam3ki sorry, meant to say I'm not on Android 12L and my phone is very buggy still. Hopefully Android 12L improves usability. Thank you for your response.
What service are you actually on? Mine is unlocked that is how I bought it all with Amazon but I have a T-Mobile SIM SIM card and maybe I should take it out and see if it will update without the SIM card end
I'm the kind of guy who wouldn't mind form factor of duo over galaxy fold, i don't even mind the specs. I believe there is a niche for foldables like this. I wish this device was accessible and priced more aggressively. Hope Microsoft puts in more effort on its next generation duo rather than abandoning it.
I liked the Windows 11 aesthetic but it need to be polished further e.g Wallpaper and Style as Personalization, sub menus UI and UX in settings, etc Microsoft also need to bring there windows apps to android space as well like dialer, messenger, calculator and other. Love it. 💕
Quick question, did they implement the 3D Fluent Emoji as well? Aside from the UI and UX, Windows's emojis are waaay superior to both Android's and iOS' emojis
It's the native Android 12 lockscreen animation. I don't think they can port that to Windows. But I do agree, it's really a nice animation. I always admire it in my Pixel phone.
This is what I've always wanted the Duo to be. An extension of Windows running Android rather than just a Microsoft phone with a regular Android skin. Hopefully, Microsoft will make slab phones too
I hope they continue embracing their new smartphone designs for further evolutionary products and not repeat history with their windows phone running on 8. Even that one was ahead of its time in its software management.
A major UI/UX improvement over Android 10 & 11. Just wondering if this is the last OS version for the original Duo - and if so, how many years of security updates for 12L can be expected.
Hi! Zac. Would you recommend Surface Duo 2 now, after Android 12L update, when Surface Duo 3 is already due for next year? I'm considering to buy it during Black Friday sale. 🙂 Should I buy this now or wait for Surface Duo 3?
I'm considering pulling the trigger on the Duo 1 once I see someone review it running 12L until Duo 3 comes out. It'll save me money and be a secondary device to my one Plus 10 Pro until Duo 3 arrives
It's polished and quite amazing that I have started recommending it to those that were interested a few months ago. Even providing links to local Canadian stores for them to check out
Now, what feels like years later, the SD1 has finally become a daily driver device. and then it unfortunately already reaches its EOL status this year. what a pity. hopefully MS will think about it again about the update period. It would be a real shame about the great device, which only now seems really good and finished. it doesn't have to die in a few months!
How do you come to the conclusion that the UI matches fluent design? It only shares few elements with Microsoft’s fluent design philosophy. In fact it resembles the new Material design much closer. Except in the settings app they don’t even use their fluent apps icon. I‘m really puzzled. They said they tried to make it look like an extension of windows, but it seems they scraped that plan.
It is more inspired now to Fluent Design V2, but yeah it's not a straight up similar to Wimdows. Things like sliders are still Android 12 design, only made some slight changes like added shadows. At least it's not bad, but it surely needs more polished. The title header for example sits way towards the left.
This update appears to be 12 not 12L. Setting >about. Says 12. One main difference between 12 & 12L is on 12L you get 2 columns in the notification shade. This just appears to be Android 12 for smartphones.
If you use a Galaxy Fold 4, which also ships with Android 12L, it too only says "Android 12," so ... no. "One main difference between 12 & 12L is on 12L you get 2 columns in the notification shade." that's IF the OEM chooses that. Fold 4 also doesn't have a dual-column notification shade. MS even calls it 12L on the announcement page: blogs.windows.com/devices/2022/10/24/surface-duo-update-brings-familiarity-with-windows-11-and-android-12l-improvements/
WTH? My SD1 keeps telling me that no updates are available. I guess I'm in for a MS Surface support chat session. They're good, but I'd much rather it update without the hassle.
I have been eyeballing to get a surface duo to use as a digital planner, but can’t find any info on if its possible to use the pen in the calendar app to jolt down appointments etc? Seems like this has been completely overlooked?
Still waiting for them to animate the overflow menu in W11. I mean yeah it's not that important but it's one of the few things that exist directly within the windows taskbar. It should absolutely be animated like everything else there and them not doing so just comes off as lazy.
I'm disappointed the launcher is still bear bones. It's the stripped down version of the Microsoft launcher customized for Duo. But two years later you'd expect that some of the features would be brought over. I'm talking easy stuff like replacing the swipe down gesture from opening search to a customized action.
It really just goes to show how rushed out the Duo was. This is how the device software should have launched. It really makes it seem that the Duo was switched to Android very late in development.
We just need pc parity with Office 365 on Android and a robust Microsoft Authenticator App. I really want a pure Microsoft ecosystems. I want Surface Duo 3 to be more PC than just anotber foldable phone.
I've decided to wait for Microsoft to put more compelling and competitive cameras, front-facing and back on the Surface Duo 3 for it to become my main device. For now, I'll finally upgrade my iPhone6 to the 12, 13 or 14 and wait. But I know the dual-screen device is my future for the next 2-6 years. I'm at that age, where productivity is more important to me than anything else, and as such, the form factor is more important than the OS. The Apps I use are on everything so the OS really is not that important so making the switch is going to be easy, (IOS has become pretty boring anyway, but I've never been an Apple guy). Although I am not a fan of Android either, I like what Microsoft has done here and I look forward to the future of this device.
@@msp5138 I can afford any device, But I'm not a moron with my money. Perhaps you should learn how to be pragmatic with your money. After the 6S I had no need to upgrade. It did everything fine and every upgrade of an iPhone since the ROI was not justified. I'm finally in need of a better camera for future endeavors, so now I'm upgrading. you guys who upgrade every year, for the slightest of improvements are an odd bunch of esily influenced sheeple. And to justify your egos you shout to the world you can afford things. thinking it makes you look big, but it really makes you look irresponsible with your money.
this make me excited for the duo 3. finally seems to be polished to the point on par with other android phone
I agree! Hopinig Microsoft with update the hardware and then count me in - this is much more polished looking now.
I hope this ROM will be ported on more devices by the community, it's probably the first Android 12 UI that I genuinely like
I have a dream in which this is ported to Lumia devices, converting them to something similar to a "Surface Phone"
@ Won't be possible as Android 12 and onwards needs ARMv8 and most Lumia devices only have older ARMv4 to v7. Also same reason why the underground community building Windows 11 for older Lumia devices is at the end of road.
@@KannexMedia it is possible, there is lineage os 19 android 12L for the galaxy s3 which also has armv7 and is even older than the lumia 950.
@@robertm20 There was the Android4Lumia project back in the days but not sure what happened to it.
@@KannexMedia well. The Surface Duo ROM can be based entirely on Lineage OS's open source software.
Definitely looks more clean, and more excited if they continue with this line. Hopefully they don't abandon it
*sad Windows Phone noise*
@@SirFaceFone Windows 10 Mobile and WP8.1 reached end of life in 2018 (after doing basic security updates 2016-2018). No need to cry further and just move on like the rest of us.
They probably will abandon it but it’s got some more time before then I’d bet.
@@KannexMedia I know, but mine still works lol
@@LittleByrdEee
Yeah that's what they are going to do abandon it
Looks the way it was intended since the beginning. Smooth, Polished and Ready for Launch.
This build quality is what needs to be released to appeal to the masses but I get why they did when they did it.
lags after lags.
Love my Duo 2 and now I love it even more! Great job UI Team!
Thank you very much for this video. I've learned more here about my device than I did from Microsoft's own website.
Running good on my surface duo 2, great improvements.
I don’t own a Surface Duo but I think, using Segoe UI font family in Microsoft’s Android rendition can greatly improve the UI and UX as well.
Yep, Roboto looks dated. Even Google is using their own font.
They could probably redone the blur effects too, windows acrylic and mica looks much better than regular blurring
agreed.
I like what they have done with the UI, the settings app looks fantastic!
This is perfection. Microsoft, well done. Kudos to everyone who worked on this. Chef's kiss. I like this almost as much as Pixel UI, if not more.
I already have the Fold 4 but I got an unlocked brand new duo for $250 and I just couldn't pass it up. I have to admit I like it more than I thought I would. The numerous updates have made a big difference from when it first came out. I'm using it as my daily driver for now and it's actually running just fine. Now that I already have t he fold I'd probably choose it but if I had bought this before I probably would have never bought the fold.
I am glad Microsoft is focusing a lot on the operating system. By the time they release a Surface Duo 3 it will prob be far more polished than the first two Duos. This is the next step that Microsoft seems to be taking attempting to replicate their early success with the Microsoft Surface lineup.
You don't own an OG Duo, correct. So you have no idea what you are talking about...
@@msp5138 I have been wanting to own one. Duo 2 is a substantive improvement to the Duo 1. Duo 1 is still excellent and great. I remember the Surface series did not see much success until the Pro 3. Were the Pro 1 and Pro 2 terribly flawed? Of course not, I remember the Pro 2 was very comfortable and easy to use having owned one myself. But the Pro 3 really optimized a lot of features like the kickstand, the Surface Pen, and the Type Cover.
@@Awesome_Aasim The OG Duo is great and the Duo 2 is not a substantial improvement worth the extra $1,000 when you can get the OG Duo for $410...
@@msp5138 Considering the features that the Duo 2 has (NFC, upgraded camera, updated processor, 5G) that the Duo 1 lacked, I would certainly say that yeah the Duo 2 is an upgrade. In terms of the form factor, both the Duo and Duo 2 are worth it, but the problems that plagued Surface Duo at the start (but not as much now) are problems that even Samsung had to deal with in their foldable lineup.
Bloody hell Microsoft, two years - TWO YEARS - and you have finally nailed it. So, I've just ordered one. Fingers crossed for me!
So I went and got a Surface Duo 1 after watching this video and a couple of others. Arrived this morning. Android 12L has made this a great device.
What an incredible second device. This is the way that Microsoft needs to focus the product. Don't bother trying to be a phone replacement but an incredible second device with 5G/4G connectivity.
So great software, great screens and connectivity. But cameras, don't need them and treat this more like a tablet than a phone.
I would have gone for Surface Duo 2, but this device is better due to the lack of camera bump and a nicer design.
This is now go-to device for work email.
Pity it took Microsoft 2 years to get there. Hopefully Surface Duo 3 perfects this form factor.
How did you get android 12 L rom?
I always wanted a Duo, but this really has me intrigued
I can confirm that is working on Duo 1 as well. It looking great like Windows 11.
So Windows 11 design language are on Duos and now lets wait for Xbox Series X|S dashboard update to match that design.
Who's your provider? I'm on the AT&T Surface Duo 1. My phone is still buggy. Has it improved usability?
@@JGLCSW Im from Europe. I don't have AT&T, just unlocked. Buggy? For me is working great
@@HauTam3ki sorry, meant to say I'm not on Android 12L and my phone is very buggy still. Hopefully Android 12L improves usability. Thank you for your response.
What service are you actually on? Mine is unlocked that is how I bought it all with Amazon but I have a T-Mobile SIM SIM card and maybe I should take it out and see if it will update without the SIM card end
@@master2uall88 my Surface Duo is also unlocked, but it was originally an att variant. I'm presently on T Mobile.
This feels so much nicer!
Interestingly this makes me want to seriously consider the Duo 2.
But the pricing for the duo 2 is like 3x more than this one right now
I'm the kind of guy who wouldn't mind form factor of duo over galaxy fold, i don't even mind the specs. I believe there is a niche for foldables like this. I wish this device was accessible and priced more aggressively. Hope Microsoft puts in more effort on its next generation duo rather than abandoning it.
It's about $350
Really seems that the Duo 3 might finally be on par with other flagships and a true option for many of us.
That's fine if they also make a sub $500 dual screen Duo 3. The Duo 2 pricing was far beyond the reach of many like me.
I liked the Windows 11 aesthetic but it need to be polished further e.g Wallpaper and Style as Personalization, sub menus UI and UX in settings, etc
Microsoft also need to bring there windows apps to android space as well like dialer, messenger, calculator and other.
Love it. 💕
Quick question, did they implement the 3D Fluent Emoji as well? Aside from the UI and UX, Windows's emojis are waaay superior to both Android's and iOS' emojis
yo that lockscreen animation is hot 🥵they should implement it too with win11
It's the native Android 12 lockscreen animation. I don't think they can port that to Windows. But I do agree, it's really a nice animation. I always admire it in my Pixel phone.
love the fact you are rocking electric callboy
Just bought one for 329 euro. Its a amazing device for that price and now even android 12
I'm glad that with this update many bugs related to landscape apps are fixed (upside down, aspect ratio, can't unspan).
This is what I've always wanted the Duo to be. An extension of Windows running Android rather than just a Microsoft phone with a regular Android skin. Hopefully, Microsoft will make slab phones too
Will part of this update also arrive on Microsoft Launcher on the Play Store?
I hope so, for a long time MS Launcher was the best in play store
Android 12L for Surface duo LOVE it.
at 330 US on Amazon, I was tempted. But only one more year of security support.
THAT LOCKSCREEN ANIMATION IS AWESOME. Looks cleaner and seems like its smoother now!
Looks nice. RIP missing launcher features.
i wish other android UIs looked like this, im really upset that not many of them use window blurs since it's already supported by android itself
One UI does
This looks great! Kindest regards, Richard U.K
Why don't they change the Battery icon and others in the status bar to be like Windows 11?
God this is amazing, made me want one.
Hmmm maybe worth my time to get another one of these, owned one for a few months 2 years ago and it was OK but buggy but seems pretty good now ❤
Looks good! Hopefully there will be a surface phone
This is so cool! Some more upgrades for this little booklet! Hell, it looks like a phone running some sort of W11 lol
I hope they continue embracing their new smartphone designs for further evolutionary products and not repeat history with their windows phone running on 8. Even that one was ahead of its time in its software management.
beautiful
A major UI/UX improvement over Android 10 & 11. Just wondering if this is the last OS version for the original Duo - and if so, how many years of security updates for 12L can be expected.
Can you show the Google Messages app spanned? I'm hoping they fixed it to look like Outlook spanned.
that unlock animation is so so so smooth and pretty
Right!
That's one of the most basic unlock animations lmao
its the stock A12 animation. Good that they didnt fiddle with it.
Those new icons in the Settings app looks amazing! Hope if anyone remake those icons.
It's not out for my duo.
Hi! Zac. Would you recommend Surface Duo 2 now, after Android 12L update, when Surface Duo 3 is already due for next year? I'm considering to buy it during Black Friday sale. 🙂 Should I buy this now or wait for Surface Duo 3?
I'm considering pulling the trigger on the Duo 1 once I see someone review it running 12L until Duo 3 comes out. It'll save me money and be a secondary device to my one Plus 10 Pro until Duo 3 arrives
It's polished and quite amazing that I have started recommending it to those that were interested a few months ago. Even providing links to local Canadian stores for them to check out
Now, what feels like years later, the SD1 has finally become a daily driver device. and then it unfortunately already reaches its EOL status this year. what a pity. hopefully MS will think about it again about the update period. It would be a real shame about the great device, which only now seems really good and finished. it doesn't have to die in a few months!
Android 12L update isn't available for me on my surface duo 1
If on AT&T / AT&T branded, you likely have to wait a few days; otherwise, it is live for Duo 1 right now at 2.6GB.
@@WindowsCentral In Ireland myself, Not available yet 😅
@@WindowsCentral it not showing up on my unlocked duo 1 i have it on metro pcs i keep checking but its not showing
@@WindowsCentral same not on my SD1
I still like this Surface Duo. Maybe one day I'll be lucky enough to finally get one.
I bought duo 1 for $300 new 1 month ago.
Thanks 🙏
Yey. Downloaded in my SD2.
How do you come to the conclusion that the UI matches fluent design? It only shares few elements with Microsoft’s fluent design philosophy. In fact it resembles the new Material design much closer. Except in the settings app they don’t even use their fluent apps icon.
I‘m really puzzled. They said they tried to make it look like an extension of windows, but it seems they scraped that plan.
It is more inspired now to Fluent Design V2, but yeah it's not a straight up similar to Wimdows. Things like sliders are still Android 12 design, only made some slight changes like added shadows. At least it's not bad, but it surely needs more polished. The title header for example sits way towards the left.
The buttons on my Slim Pen Slim stopped working after the 12L update. Still works with my wife's Surface Duo on Android 11.
Man that thing looks freaking smooth and fluid. Wow! Surface Duo is really tempting
Do non-MS apps still get confused by the middle area?
Looks good
Ok. But no desktop mode? Or free or cheaper access to Windows in cloud with a laptdock or monitor??
When does this come out? No updates available for my Dúo yet
I got mine today on my surface duo. But I had to manually go to the settings > system > updates > check for updates.
@@diogocosme5718 thanks, I just got it and it's like a whole new device! Loving it so far
Microsoft should just use Segoe UI Variant to replace Roboto
Does it change how apps act when spanned?
This update appears to be 12 not 12L. Setting >about. Says 12. One main difference between 12 & 12L is on 12L you get 2 columns in the notification shade. This just appears to be Android 12 for smartphones.
If you use a Galaxy Fold 4, which also ships with Android 12L, it too only says "Android 12," so ... no. "One main difference between 12 & 12L is on 12L you get 2 columns in the notification shade." that's IF the OEM chooses that. Fold 4 also doesn't have a dual-column notification shade. MS even calls it 12L on the announcement page: blogs.windows.com/devices/2022/10/24/surface-duo-update-brings-familiarity-with-windows-11-and-android-12l-improvements/
WTH? My SD1 keeps telling me that no updates are available. I guess I'm in for a MS Surface support chat session. They're good, but I'd much rather it update without the hassle.
I'd love to see one screen windows surface phone
I have been eyeballing to get a surface duo to use as a digital planner, but can’t find any info on if its possible to use the pen in the calendar app to jolt down appointments etc? Seems like this has been completely overlooked?
Whatever happened to the Surface Neo? The one that was unveiled at the same time as the Duo?
It got canned. The chipset it used got discontinued too, so the likelyhood of it ever seeing the light of day is very low.
Pandemic happened, but elements from Windows 10X was rolled into 11.
Why don’t they use the Windows 11 font and system tray icons? Strange.
Still waiting for them to animate the overflow menu in W11. I mean yeah it's not that important but it's one of the few things that exist directly within the windows taskbar. It should absolutely be animated like everything else there and them not doing so just comes off as lazy.
Looks like Microsoft went with a hybrid of both the Fluent and Material You design languages.
I'm disappointed the launcher is still bear bones. It's the stripped down version of the Microsoft launcher customized for Duo. But two years later you'd expect that some of the features would be brought over. I'm talking easy stuff like replacing the swipe down gesture from opening search to a customized action.
No taskbar like Fold 4 :(
Duo 1? Update as well?
Yes, of course.
@@WindowsCentral Nice, that's good. Other companies set a bad precedent so I can see how regular customers can expect to be shafted.
@@WindowsCentral when I go to updates, my phone says up to date Android 11. Hmm
@@WindowsCentralAtt is holding up the update for some phones Microsoft confirms making a headache for unlocked Duo's as well.
It really just goes to show how rushed out the Duo was.
This is how the device software should have launched. It really makes it seem that the Duo was switched to Android very late in development.
i just realised Zac lives about 15 minutes away from where I used to live, huh
should I buy a surface duo 2 or wait for the 3?
This is the Duo 2 phone being used, not the Duo I own the OG and I hope 12 is coming to it.
What's the difference between Android 12 and 12L ?
Android 12 L is only for tablets or devices like tablets
@@Maquintochable I had Android 12 L on my pixel 6
I hope Microsoft will release a full windows flagship.
Android 12L on the surface duo to me is basically Windows phone 11 but on Android
which is really nice .... nice
l really excited
pretty fancy
other fancy stuff
pretty awesome
pretty cool
How do you take a screenshot on 12L the volume down and power no longer working for me
Really sad Microsoft left out the 12L taskbar
Nice
Still limited to 4 rows/columns.... such a waste of bloody space
Peek mode notification doesn't seem to work now. Is there a fix for this?
8.3" unfolded. I need 11.5" at least.
Wonder how the UI from the nokia windows phone would look on this device...
You listen to Electric Callboy? I see you're a man of culture as well.
We just need pc parity with Office 365 on Android and a robust Microsoft Authenticator App. I really want a pure Microsoft ecosystems. I want Surface Duo 3 to be more PC than just anotber foldable phone.
Can we download this Win11-flavored for non-Duo phones too? Say, a Pixel phone?
I was the one who requested this
Does it actually list as 12L under the version settings? My duo is just showing 12 with no more updates
Does it fix the battery drain many of us have been experiencing?
Better battery life in just the 8 hours I've been using my Surface Duo 2 with Android 12L
I've decided to wait for Microsoft to put more compelling and competitive cameras, front-facing and back on the Surface Duo 3 for it to become my main device. For now, I'll finally upgrade my iPhone6 to the 12, 13 or 14 and wait. But I know the dual-screen device is my future for the next 2-6 years. I'm at that age, where productivity is more important to me than anything else, and as such, the form factor is more important than the OS. The Apps I use are on everything so the OS really is not that important so making the switch is going to be easy, (IOS has become pretty boring anyway, but I've never been an Apple guy). Although I am not a fan of Android either, I like what Microsoft has done here and I look forward to the future of this device.
Just say you can't afford to buy a Surface Duo...lol
Just buy a Duo 1 for under 300 it's a big upgrade from iphone6
@@tRav285 You clearly didn't read my comment properly.
@@msp5138 I can afford any device, But I'm not a moron with my money. Perhaps you should learn how to be pragmatic with your money. After the 6S I had no need to upgrade. It did everything fine and every upgrade of an iPhone since the ROI was not justified. I'm finally in need of a better camera for future endeavors, so now I'm upgrading. you guys who upgrade every year, for the slightest of improvements are an odd bunch of esily influenced sheeple.
And to justify your egos you shout to the world you can afford things. thinking it makes you look big, but it really makes you look irresponsible with your money.
It is a shame the cameras are subpar, coming from the Lumia 950. Maybe they should license the PureView tech from Nokia.
Still no support for custom icon packs....
Nice for year 2015
Can we just appreciate he likes Electric Callboy (Eskimo Callboy)
My battery life is terrible now after the update. Anybody else experience that? Is there a fix?
will this work on the Duo first gen? I'm gonna pick one up for international travel, and want to update the OS.
Yes it does
Do you know what's happening with EE, no update since July 😱
I take it, this is a scam!