The BEST GameCube Games? Zelda Four Swords Adventures vs Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles - Madness
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Welcome to a special exhibition match of Madness Season 4: Best GameCube Games! We're trying to decide not only what are the best games that released on the Nintendo GameCube, but which is THE best game on the GCN. In this episode it's two powerhouses of Nintendo, The Legend of Zelda Four Swords Adventures vs Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, but who will win?
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IN GENERAL, I think Jeff has been the best special guest of this show so far. Great listener and brings in interesting perspectives. Well done my dude!
Yeah Jeff is definitely one of the best guests. I also really liked Barry but I think that may be an unpopular opinion?
Totally agree!
Great season
I think Jeff is the best guest that has appeared only once so far. But my pick still goes to Jirad cause he's really good at explaining, respectful, and just cares a damn lot.
Agreed. Out of everyone who's ever been on the show, he's the chillest guy while at the same time bringing really good points on stuff. Even when he gets heated it's hilarious to watch.
I cannot believe Jared said the argument about having 1 GameCube, 4 cables, and 4 GBAs was a dumb argument, it was a legitimate problem! None of my friends had a gba, so I never played crystal chronicles multiplayer and got sick of it single player and I never even played four swords, i can’t be the only one Nintendo failed by making it too hard to play these games!!!
Yes. That's why I didn't like playing 4 swords. Plus Spoiler for those who haven't played it.I think it's ridiculous in four swords adventure you have to collect 2000 gems of the triforce to complete the stage. I've played FSA.
Jareds a ff fan boy what did u expect
I feel like Austin brings so much charm to this show, it’s not the same without him.
I feel like he interrupts too much with empty noise and derails too many conversations to assert his feelings instead of rational arguments.
Jared's face at 3:19 says it all.
@@StriderZessei While I do find Austin to have some charm I kinda agree with you there. Jirard is definitely good in these debates though.
@@AbridgedPwned Yeah, my dream Madness team is Jirard, Shane, ProJared, and The Geek Critique, with Furst moderating.
That’s totally fair and a very good point, I just feel the show may be slightly less engaging without him.
@@StriderZessei I have love and respect for both of them, but its easy for the nature of the show to push their personalities to an extreme. Its easy to see PBG as too silly and Projared as too serious, because that's what happens when push comes to shove, but I like that about the show, its less filtered than the content they make by themselves.
...HOT ZIGGITY! Crystal Chronicles and Four Swords Adventures were games I gave to Jared and Austin respectively in Portland last October! I'm super excited to see the games get compared next to one another for Madness!
This was a really well-reasoned episode. Great points from everyone.
Usually I finish the video before commenting, but I have to say, 100% agree with Jared about the undeserved criticism over needing for GameBoy Advances. Ideally, everyone would just have their own! Sure my friends and I always brought our own controllers anyways! But Nintendo never expected everyone to go get four GBAs and four link cables for this. And I'm so glad someone here said this.
And part of the memory aspect of FFCC is that you bring your character on your memory card so you can take your memories back home. You can make progress in single and multi-player and aren't limited to always playing on one console with the same people!
The key word here is "ideally". Sure, "ideally", everyone has their own Gamecube and GBA and link cables and can just bring it over.
But over here in reality, not everybody had a Gameboy Advance, and even less people had Gamecubes. I mean, there are literally 4x as many GBAs sold as there were Gamecubes, so it's factually impossible for everyone to have one of each. Maybe in the rich white kid's neighborhoods, everybody there had one of each, but that's not the way it was everywhere else.
It's way easier for one person to have a Gamecube, and 4 controllers, and just play some Smash or Mario Kart or Mario Party, or any other multiplayer game; than it is for 4 people to have a Gameboy Advance and a link cable each (and one Gamecube between them). It's a well deserved point against both of these games, and is definitely the reason neither of them made the bracket.
Chris Reyes But that’s why neither game required four players total. The argument people bring up though is that you would need four GBAs, as if one person was expected to have four lying around.
And it is unfortunate that not everyone can afford everything, but that’s a whole other conversation.
@@Matthordika Well for Crystal Chronicles, there's really no point in playing 2 player, over just playing single player (or a different game) since one person pretty much would always have to carry the chalice, while the other person does most of the combat. This is especially noticeable during boss battles, where the enemy can move the chalice around when it's on the ground.
As for Four Swords, the more the merrier, so having less people is less fun. 2 players is doable, but the games really shine, just like British guy said, they really shine when you have the full setup of 4 players.
Nowadays, maybe that's less of an issue. I actually bought 4 GBA's and link cables, specifically to play these games back in college, and it was fun as hell. Worth it to me, but maybe not worth it to most people, especially back then.
And that's a real detriment to the game's popularity.
Haven't even watched this yet but commented this comparison at the beginning and I'm so excited to hear the thoughts of Madness!
Actually Minish Cap came after Four Swords Adventure
FSA used Four Swords and ALttP sprites not Minish Cap as it was still being made
Also Nintendo made FSA while Capcom made Four Swords and Minish Cap.
THANK YOU! I came to the comments to see if anyone else pointed this out.
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None of my friends had GBAs or even Gamecubes when I was a kid and the only time I played Four Swords GCN was at my rich friend's house as an adult lol
Ive never had four swords or ff, but i did use the GC to GBA cable for many games like for example Wind Waker for the Tingle Tuner, Pokemon Colosseum and XD, Animal Crossing for the island and NES games, Megaman X Command Mission for uhh tokens i guess..., and Crash Bandicoot WoC for some hit the targets minigame and Metroid Prime for the Fusion Suit. As a kid i always loved how games connected with each other, this is something im positive will never come back ever, but they sure were some good memories.
I honestly feel like the ability to go around and do your own thing in four swords is more of a positive for it. I love coop games that give room for dicking around and messing with your friends, it adds a tone that doesn't make me choke on how serious some people would normally be during coop stuff
I think the main reason these games didn't make it was because the link cable as such a rare peripheral for people to want. I loved it in games like Animal Crossing and Billy Hatcher, but so few games worked with it, and those that owned those games may not even know about the peripheral.
Crystal Chronicles is an insanely awesome game with a spectacular soundtrack, stunning visuals, depth and resource management. Not to dis Four Swords, but a faster, simplified game doesn't quite compare.
Also, fact checking here: Crystal Chronicles' enemies scale with the amount of players you have, so single player is still reasonable in term of difficulty. You can combine spells in single player. I legit played that game tons in just single player, but it's probably because I loved the adventure aspect so much.
Jared's face when Austin says "come on guys! Come on! ...Continue."
im dying
These games both bring back so many great memories for me! I loved playing 4 swords, but if I had the choice, I would play CC with some friends any day. I think they should have mentioned how great CC is to play co op compared to Diablo or Champions of Norrath and the like. Having the management on the gameboy screen meant that you didnt have to wait forever for everyone to take their turn in the menus and stop the gameplay to do all the item management. This is a huge plus for me.
Also, Everyone had their own map, one person had the layout, one person had an enemy radar, one person had a map of the treasure chests etc. This really went along with the theme of cooperative gameplay in CC. I think it was much more innovative and in line with the game than it was given credit in this discussion.
I know they mentioned the chalice as a negative, but I thought it solved a problem in a clever way, and created another strategic element in the game. Having to manage the chalice was a team thing, but also when fighting a boss, you had to be careful about keeping your safe zone in an advantageous spot. But more importantly, the problem of everyone running off in their own direction was solved. You could still run off on your own, but you would die before you got too far. This also gave incentive to be the person carrying the chalice, because although you had a bit of a chore to do, you got to decide where you were going. Crystal Chronicles is a fantastic game, but a huge part of why it was so great isnt even noticed. They got rid of so many little issues with co op dungeon crawlers, and allowed 4 friends to have an uninhibited adventure. And a really fun one at that!
I am so god damn stoked for Crystal Chronicles on Switch!!
Whoops..
@@skydiamsteam6005 yeeeeeaaaaaah
I am sorry for you, and everyone else that bought the remaster, including me. it's a good thing dolphin emu is almost at the point (and kinda already is) to have gba link support. just need the game and the bios for gba, and you're set.
@@dude98a.k.adudewhereismyca84 thankfully after playing the demo I passed on actually buying the game. I still can't wrap my head around how badly they fucked it up.
A couple minor points I disagree with on crystal chronicles: You don't need four people for the full experience. I feel like it's just as good with 2 or 3 people, and it's a little easier to get 2 or 3 people than 4. Also it's still a fun game to play by yourself. It's not as bad as they're making it out to be.
I played a significant amount with 4 people and by myself when this game first came out but didn't beat it. Then, years later, my sister was playing it and I tagged along with her as she was getting to the end game. I transferred one of my old characters to her file (which is super cool that you can do that,) and we had a blast figuring out what you had to do to get to the end area and beat the game. Love this game, so many great memories.
I'm gonna have to disagree on 2 people being just as good as 3 or 4, or even solo. With one player, you have the Moogle to carry around the chalice for you, and you get to just run around willy nilly, without worrying about it too much. With 3 or 4 players, you can have 1 player carry the chalice for most of the time, and the other 2/3 can continue fighting and doing actual multiplayer things. With 2 people, one person has to manage the chalice, and the other person is basically playing single player.
Maybe it's just me, because when I played with 2 people, against that damn Marlboro that constantly pulls the chalice in, one of us would always have to stop fighting and pull it away, while the other continued fighting. And that someone was usually me. It's faster with 1 player, or 3/4 players, but not 2 players
This was a really close match. There's a lot of good points for both games, and lots of good arguments of those points. Very nice episode, and as a bonus, my personal favorite won. I wouldn't have been too miffed if Zelda won, since it's nice to just sit back, relax, and play a little Four Swords for an couple hours. Crystal Chronicles is much more of an investment, at least if you want the full experience. But definitely the meatier game. Very fun to watch!
This is why I wish the randomized bracket was dropped. Having games from the same genre paired against each other creates for much better discussion.
We would immediately run into the same problem in the 2nd round, and having the brackets randomized lets us revisit the same ideas later.
Yeah I feel like the formula is fine. I would be interested in either a single elimination 16 entrant bracket or an 8 entrant full double elimination. Or maybe just a 12 entrant bracket with byes. Basically not a huge fan of the 3s, but I’m sure y’all considered the alternatives and have your reasonings. As viewers we don’t have access to the same data that y’all do, so maybe the 3s are hugely popular.
Anyways, love the show!
@@justwantawholename We decided against Double Elimination immedaitely because we'd risk repeating the same match ups, and to be honest, a lot of the time, we struggle to fill a single episode's worth lol
We don't want a Single Elimination 16 entrant tournament because we want to be able to talk about a game more than once.
The current formula we use is weird and monstrous, but its the best we could do given the realities of scheduling.
The thing is, it's hard enough to get 4 friends together to play a game they've never tried before. But the chances that they all have a GBA as well as all having a link cable is pretty rare. Even my rich friend didn't have a GBA because he didn't want one.
Hope you guys talk about Tales of Symphonia
They did talk about it quite a bit in the last video!
I also need them to talk about it more. So gooooood!!!
Normal boots and HOME's music is such a perfect mix. I could watch this series every day! Love you guys and thanks for the hard work!
I love this exhibition style. PLEASE keep doing this. So much fun to watch.
Yo this series is POPPIN, good stuff guys
Wow, it was so weird to hear them say Crystal Chronicles didn't have a good single player experience... when that was the only way I played the game for years. XD
I know! Was the only one with a gamecube or GBA among my friends and we were 2 people with a gamecube at my middle school, which neither of us knew until high school.
I was super sad it didn't have multiplayer with normal controllers because I was stoked to play with cousins.
The game was hard single player, especially the later levels. I loved how the overworld maps changed. Would have loved to have had a guide explaining what stuff did in the game.
In my opinion, this is the best panel we have seen yet... I love all of them and they really bring out each other's points in interesting and entertaining ways.
Funny, a few days ago i was getting to know someone and we were asking about eachother's tastes in games and i was talking about playing the OOTrandomizer. So he latched on to zelda and asked "have you ever played four swords?" my reply: "Yeah.... yeah... by myself... but i DID play Crystal Chronicles with a bunch of friends when it came out. it was fantastic!" We didnt make it far... but it was quite a memorable experiance.
Honestly this is a very well thought out argument. I’m not even mad.
When I was the kid I was typically the guy who carried the lantern, because I didn't get greedy with picking up dropped items, and I didn't play the game as much as my other 3 friends so my character wasn't as powerful. I didn't play chrystal chronicals a lot, but the few times I did we had a lot of fun. I played 4 swords a couple times but didn't have very many memorable experiences with it.
I'm so happy that crystal chronicles made it on here and won. I've played that game so many times back when I was a kid and that it's getting ported to the switch. I know Pro Jared was VERY hype to talk about this game because I know how much we both love the final Fantasy series so much (btw I just want to mention that the crystal bearer was actually a under-rated game and was good, obviously not perfect, but that could possibly be discussed in another video maybe?????????? 👀👀👀) I never played it with friends cause there wasn't people in my circle that had gbas and link cables, but I really enjoyed crystal chronicles as a single player experience and will enjoy it even more with friends when it comes out for the switch.
Also crystal bearer vs Mario Galaxy when?????
Please never stop talking about the Gamecube.
Nico Watt Favorite system ever
This was a fantastic episode guys, loved how evenly matched the two games were!
Looking forward to the Pokémon bracket.
This episode was a good reminder of the experiences I had with Four Swords Advetures and Crystal Chronicles. Now I really am super hyped for Crystal Chronicles to come out on the Switch!!
Idk when these were re-publicized but I'm honestly excited to watch this series again
I've never heard of Crystal Chronicles, btu the way they talked about it made me really want to get it.
1:20 It's a legitimate argument. I mean, I had a Gamecube, but I didn't have a Gameboy Advance as a kid. My friend had a Gameboy Advance, but didn't have a Gamecube. Neither of us had link cables, soo... I mean, the Gamecube didn't really sell as well as Jared seems to think. The Gameboy Advance itself sold insanely well (as all Nintendo handhelds do), but nobody would have a link cable if they didn't have a Gamecube. There were literally 4 times as many GBA's as there were GC's sold.
Regardless, these games are great, just annoyingly difficult to set up. Not only buying the things, but also just crowding 4 people around a TV with a link cable that isn't all that long, and using battery powered devices that can't (normally) be charged while playing said game. I'll say that multiplayer Four Swords was a fun experience, full of aggression against friends, and wanton destruction; whereas multiplayer Crystal Chronicles was an amazing story-based experience that you could spend hours into.
Four Swords is like candy, and Crystal Chronicles is a steak. Sometimes you just want candy. Sometimes you don't have time to cut into a thick piece of steak, and sometimes you never even get to finish it, because your knife and fork friends went away and never came back to play Crystal Chronicles \*sniffle*.
I don't know if many people realize this, but you can fuse your own spells in Crystal Chronicles single player in the inventory menu. Equipping a few fire spells in a for will equip higher level fire spells, etc. I made a character that was specifically a magic user and single player was where he shined.
In CC you could use the secret mission in a co op way, when I played with friends we all told each other our mission, so, if the healer got a very shitty "don't heal others" or stuff like that we would go out of the level and re enter to change it, then we would all co operate to get good points, here's the thing, you also needed a set amount of points to get better overall rewards at the end, so, if everyone helped each other instead of plotting, you could all go out with a neat reward at the end, specially good if you wanted to give the designated healer stuff like the cure or life ring, the latter one being in one of the harder levels of the game. While in FSA it did not matter AFAIK, since you did not keep your stats and items at the end of a level.
ProJared is my avatar in this video!!! I played this game 4 player and NO game has come CLOSE to being as fun!!!
I like how the argument was originally which game that used the Game Links was better, but at the end was like "I didn't have friends, so screw multiplayer"...lol
It’s too bad that it’s hard to get enough people to enjoy Crystal Chronicles, because it seems so interesting!
I tried to play it solo, but it took 2hours without dying to beat it. After that, my experience was gone.
Four Swords solo was much fun tho, and I got to play it with a friend one or two times. That was very fun too.
Anyhow, interesting bracket guys! Loved this episode
I'm very glad to see Crystal Chronicles to win a match, perhaps no the best game but one of my favorites, I'm surprised that nobody talk anything about the beautiful soundtrack thou
I hear that FF9 music in the background....i won't bring up old wounds, don't worry.
There was also a remixed Prelude from Final Fantasy VI.
@@jacobmonks3722 I've never played FF8 fully, i just played the demo back in the day so i didn't catch that track. They probably used a FF few tracks in this video.
@@kenking2536 VI is not 8. VI is 6. Learn Roman Numerals
@@jacobmonks3722 you know roman numerals off the top of your head? Well i dont and i made a mistake. And i still enjoy FF games while simultaneously getting roman numerals wrong.
@@kenking2536 Alright well regardless, the Prelude is always the title screen theme. You don't technically have to play any of the game to hear it.
Excellent show guys. This one was tough
4SA has competition for competition's sake? It's the ultimate PB&Jeff game!
I do like that argument, which was asked more for a remake. Well, let me tell you this: I still have a group of friends who is looking into it to be able to play Four Swords in one sitting, all levels, and see who is the best.
But honestly? I just want the Switch to use their multiplayer to split screen games like this. Coming together, each with their own switch, and just playing a game for good times. Or even over the internet.
Get on it Nintendo!!
Good video, I love Zelda, but Crystal Chronicles kind of stuck with me just as much.
How forgettable is Four Swords Adventures you ask? It's actually a sequel to a game called Four Swords that came out with The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past for Game Boy Advance.
I don't think people are aware that there are two separate games, where Four Swords Adventures is a GameCube game and Four Swords is just on Game Boy.
I love Final Fantasy Chrystal Chronicles and would love a new one! This is also from a person who played it mostly solo....
We did get a game very similar to Crystal Chronicles tho, in the form of Final Fantasy Explorers.
Its pretty fun actually, it kinda feels like a GBA game but in 3D.
Four Swords Adventures Switch Remake please
I used to play Four Swords a lot with my friends. One of them ALWAYS gunned for me though. He always had this rivalry with me for some odd reason. He'd always try to sabotage me and, as a result, always got the Dark Link status on every level we played.
I lived on a boat...so I couldn't find people to play these games... thanks, Jared.
My only issue with FSA growing up was that the GBA game by a similar name (Four Swords, which happened to come with LttP) actually REQUIRED a GBA to GBA link cable and two friends with the game. I wanted to play the GameCube version SO BAD, but I had NO IDEA until after we got it that the whole time, we could have played it with no copies of the GBA game, and even just 1 GBA hooked up and the other person (only ever did 2 player) could just use the remote. ALSO NO IDEA it was single player, since I thought it would be like the GBA game that required 2 people+ to play!
I think Double Dash vs F Zero GX would be a pretty cool matchup
I hope two exhibition matches happen:
Tales of symphonia vs. Fire emblem path of radiance.
Skies of Arcadia vs. Another goid dreamcast port game
PBG with that Brownman/Ray MERCH!
I take back what I said on the last video. THIS is the best episode of Madness thus far.
As a kid I didn't even know CC had co-op...And I still loved playing the game :(
In just two years, having this combination of people again is next to impossible.
Guess I should have appreciated it while we had it.
Especially now since Lee is now working on freakin film theory (good for him tbh)
As an avid LoZ: Four Swords supporter, its time to do my gamer rant about how that game is actually better than Crystal Chronicles.
Righr off the bat, i disagree in saying that CC is a better four player experience than Four Swords. Im genuinly shocked to hear them say the chaos in Four Swords is a downside. Its one of the things i love most about the game. It perfectly mixes having to work as a team and then throwing your friend off a cliff the next second. I love that its kind of encouraged to screw around with your friends rather than it just be a coop experience. Its the mix of a vs and coop game that really makes it interesting and unique. Also, having everyone to themselves makes it a more casual playing experience, and also, Four Swords is waaaaay more pick up and play than Chrystal Chronicles. Not saying CC is bad mechanically, but if you went to the effort of finding 4 people to play with 4 GBAs, you just kinda want to play and not risk people getting bored of all the mechanics before the game really gets going (this happened when i played CC). And they didnt even MENTION the side games in Four Swords. All the main story minigames are silly fun, and Shadow Battle is insanely fun and ive spent so many hours playing it. For me, Four Swords is no question the better playing experience. A more story and mechanical game (like CC) i prefer to play single player so i can pace myself with the story and not be afraid of falling behind on getting a mechanic slower than someone else. When i play with friends (which doesnt happen very often), i want me and everyone to be able to quickly learn the game and be able to have fun, and Four Swords is the perfect example of easy to pick up chaotic coop fun. Four Swords is honestly my favorite multiplayer game of all time, and my second favorite game of all time (hence why i felt the need to write all this lol). Ive had insane fun every single time ive played it.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
I have the fondest memories of FF CC. It also has a deep personal tie to the rough divorce my parents had. I played over 30 something caravan years in that game and unlocked everything. I just couldn't get enough of that pretty world. Friends coming over made it even better.
Haven't even watched the video yet and I must say, this is a great matchup!
I love crystal chronicles has aged like a fine wine. I love that game and was a big inspiration to me.
Aren't there enough Final Fantasies to just do a season of those? Lol.....
Joe The Pirate More than enough.
There's more than enough on numbered entries alone, not to mention the various spinoffs.
But who besides Jared has even played half of them?
There are also enough Zelda games for that, as well.
two games I have always wanted to play, and still do, but never actually got a chance to do so.
Four Swords was the first LoZ game I ever beat (in one night) cause of the Anniversary Edition for the 3DS!
Such a good comparison. Kind of weird we'll never get this sort of experience again because I don't see a new Switch game incorporating the 3DS happening anytime soon.
I do think Crystal Chronicles should've won but I do have to agree with what they said about Four Swords Adventures
I swear I could remember playing crystal chronicles with gamecube controllers. But hey I played crystal chronicles with my parents and It means much to me
I care more about these two games than anything on the actual bracket. Though, I only played Four Swords Adventures multiplayer once and it was just with one other person. And I never played Crystal Chronicles multiplayer. But Crystal Chronicles is getting an HD remake with online, so I'll finally be able to play multiplayer. They need to do the same with Four Swords Adventures.
Four swords was some of the funnest multiplayer I've ever experienced. Me and my friends weren't frantic and worked together famously. I wish it had won, but I'm just glad it was a fair fight. :)
Jared lookin like a twice divorced mom over here, this boy got me quakin
I honestly agree with Jared a lot but I love the chaos that the competitive parts of each game brings it makes the game more fun when you're with friends
I never expected to see this
I like the ds Crystal Chronicles games, havn't played the wii one but FFCCEoT2 for the ds was one of the games that I always bring with me for long trips and Sherlotta was one of the first characters that I ever did fan art of, that and Final fantasy tactics a2 were my favorite ds ff games.
I am really exited for FFCC on the switch I did't get to play it for the gamecube because I haven awlays been a more handle boi when it comes to Nintendo, so I had like 5 gamecube games vs my library of almost 40 gba games.
I like how the Gamecube is such a stupidly awesome console that they needed to extend the season to talk about more Gamecube games that didn't make the bracket.
I think that IF POSSIBLE, to find 6 more GameCube co-op games that utilize the gba cord ports to make a completely whole bracket for that including 2 of these games 4 swords and crystal chronicles.
Austin talking about how to get into heaven was hilarious!
Four Swords Adventures having a mishmash of artstyles kind of becomes its own thing to me. You've got Link To The Past assets, Minish Cap stuff, Wind Waker sounds...I can see the criticism, but I think it becomes an interesting celebration of different Zelda things. The thing that did bug me about 4SA is how easy it is once they give you so many lives (in the form of Force Fairies). Dying doesn't even make you have to start over, you just get revived with some hearts. You can stock up to almost 100 fairies and you get them every level. How hard can a Zelda game be when you're effectively walking around with 150+ hearts at all times? You should have only been able to carry one or maybe a few fairies at a time and only find them in unique hiding spots. Normal Zelda only gives you fairies in unique spots and you can only hold a few, so I think this one should have done that.
Also, people keep asking for Madness about bad games and I really want to see them crown the worst game between two or more of them.
Oh and you could make it so that extra force fairies you find give you force gems so that they aren't just totally useless. Maybe have some extra rewards for getting a lot of gems besides loads of fairies.
I remember my first experience with Crystal Chronicles back in the day. I knew absolutely nothing about the game except the fact that it had Final Fantasy in the name and it ended up being pretty awesome! I had my mom rent it for a short period and I was so sad to see it go once my time expired though I never did end up playing it again. Might be one of my bigger mistakes.
Solid discussion!
Chrystal Chronicles is more memorable of an experience to me than 4 Swords was. I thought CC was just more fun to play through with friends than 4 Swords.
Crystal Chronicles was an amazing experience with family and friends. Four Swords was as well, but I enjoyed Crystal Chronicles a whole lot more. They were definitely unique from other games. These were games that required great comaradery which made them fun to play with other people. Between the two, I would pick Crystal Chronicles.
Jared had the best arguments
Makes sense, since he spent the most time talking. XD
He's the logo of the season he has to
I had 3 link cables and 2 gameboys but my friends always brought one. They aren't that rare someone I knew bought one at like a store in 2013-2014 mid 3DS wii u era, I could probably buy 1 more if I wanted but since Crystal Chronicles is going online no one can ESCAPE FINISHING THE CAMPAIGN
Gamecube was the only system I had and if I wanted to play a Final Fantasy game...look at that, here's the only FF game available. Armed with Gameshark/AR I just played single campaign without the GBA. Also, own the soundtrack and it totally is the best one :3
I'm just going to say this: Four Swords is great... but my friends, and my FPS obsessed brother said that they would get Crystal Chronicles if it rereleased... BEFORE it was announced. My brother is likely going to be getting a Switch just for that when they put out a release date. Does that speak for quality? Not necessarily. But Four Swords lack that unique type of cooperative gameplay Crystal Chronicles had. There is nothing quite like it, even within the same genre of action-adventure games.
I played the entirety of Crystal Chronicles by myself and it was still one of my favorite games on the Gamecube. I couldn't convince my friends to pick up Gameboy's and the cable's so i can only imagine how great it would have been to play with a full group of four. Now that online is a thing I am immensely looking forward to the Switch/PS4 remake.
Final fantasy Crystal Chronicles has the best music out of any Final Fantasy. Don't @ me!!
your guys have chosen wisely the power of the crystals can now stay intact
I would have gone with Pac Man Vs for best hybrid game.
I love Four Swords Adventures. Great / underrated Zelda game.
Its easily one of my fave zelda games tbh.
Four sword adventure was glorious, especially with friends!
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles is one of my favorite FF games in general. Such a fun game that I replayed a lot. Looking forward to the remaster
I absolutely love Crystal Chronicles. It has its flaws, but everything about it is so charming, and the soundtrack is one of my favorites.
I can’t wait for the remaster!
Edit: I just want to add in that the points system in Crystal Chronicles only determines the order in which you choose prizes. If you’re working with a good party, you can all look at your options and decide what everyone wants. You can also do things like rock, paper, scissors or do dice rolls to decide who gets what. I never really had an issue with it.
I've played 4SA but not FFCC therefore 4SA should win. Sorry, I don't make the rules.
The Caddy rule eh.
God I hope the HD remaster for CC still has couch co op, like, they could make a mini menu pop up with your stuff next to your character info while you play, bonus points if I can couch co op with a friend while also playing online with other 2 friends doing couch co op.
I played half of Crystal Chronicles by myself. It wasn't too hard to pull off.
I played Four Swords Adventure completely by myself and it worked out just fine.
Can't believe they actually forgot to mention the racing mini game in CC. Also, the side quest with the princess that spanned like 5 in game years was great (as the hefty reward).
Regarding puzzles, just gotta say Rebena Te Ra. Last thing, some maps changed in CC... Dying to play it all over again!
am I the only one who played crystal chronicles alone? very hype to play with someone on the switch version, but something about the visuals of that game just really drew me in, I replayed it more than once totally alone p:
Oi Jared I think the criticism is probably deserved, considering it limits the way the game was intended to be played unnecessarily. Ideally everyone would be able to play with either GameCube controller or gameboy. It's just poor business.
Coming from a huge ffcc lover of course
it doesn't "limit" the way the game was supposed to be played, it limits the audience. It was a creative idea that could only be done with that technology, and Nintendo took the risk to innovate. Just because that means not as many people experienced it doesn't make it bad. That's like saying selling games on the WIIU was "bad business" and a negative because the console sold poorly and therefore had a small reach.
I mean, it's kind of understandable for both games; in Crystal Chronicles, they wanted to make it so each player could shift through their menu's without interrupting the main gameplay. So in a tense battle, one player could be digging around for an item they might need suddenly, while the rest can continue distracting, battle, moving around and stuff. Without separate screens, you'd lose part of the screen when going into the menus, or worse.. pausing the action.
And in Four Swords, they wanted each player to be able to go off on their own, within the caves/dungeons. I suppose for Four Swords, they could have just designed the game differently, so it relied more on the overworld, and less on the caves, but that would have made it a little less Zelda... it's a trade off they chose to make.
You guys need Scott the Woz for Wii Madness and don't forget to add Madden 08