Are the Tories 'finished' as a political force? | LBC analysis
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- After the Tories suffered a huge defeat in the General Election, Ali Miraj considers whether they are 'finished as a political force'?
Some of the Conservatives' biggest names - including former PM Liz Truss and a record number of Cabinet members - lost their seats as Labour stormed to a historic landslide win.
Liz Truss lost her seat in the biggest ever swing in history, while the Cabinet ministers who fell were Jacob Rees-Mogg Grant Shapps, Penny Mordaunt and Gillian Keegan.
However, Ali believes that despite the results, the Tory Party can still recover.
'The Labour Party was written off in 2019 and look what happened with Keir Starmer,' he stresses.
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At last !! A brexit benefit!! It brought down the Tories 😂🎉
I'm a socialist, but even I feel nostalgic for the days when there were some decent One Nation Tories (Clarke, Heseltine). I didn't agree with their policies but at least they had a sense of responsibility, duty and public service. The recent bunch have displayed nothing but greed, self interest and xenophobia.
Yeah... there was a feeling that everyone was broadly pulling in a similar direction... albeit a bit to the left or right
I like smart people who disagree with me. When we agree on the problems, and argue how to solve them. Not which minorities are worth keeping alive.
I remember demonstrating against Heath many years ago. Didn't like him but compared to the clowns that are around now he was alright.
I gave up, became a Thatcher refugee and moved out 😁🇸🇪🇪🇺.
I've been saying this for years. Where are the people that could be described as "political heavyweights"?
Regardless of whether you agree with their politics, we need the William Hagues, Harriet Harmans, John Prescotts in the house.
I haven't even heard of half of the currently sitting MPs.
@@dannyquinn9128 Some of those heavyweights you named didn't always seem like heavyweights at the time. We're in a very similar position to 1997. People had heard of Brown, Jack Straw and John Prescott, but most of the new cabinet were unfamiliar names. Harman was - perhaps unfailrly - seen as a lightweight, her reputation has improved over time.
What I'm focusing on is that the first time in 14 years I've been looking at the names of the Cabinet following a change without an exhausting sense of dread about which horrendous incompetents are going to be in there...
He still doesn’t get it.
It’s not that “they didn’t deliver”.
It’s not that “It didn’t do what it said in the tin”.
It wasn’t that it wasn’t “left” or “right” enough.
It’s that they have broken this country piece by piece. Cut services constantly, telling us it’s in our best interest. Telling us that if we just hang in a little longer, it’ll all be worth it.
But we lost those services and have NOTHING in return. Many of them and their friends got very, very rich. There has been scandal after scandal. Unpunished crime after unfinished crime.
It has nothing to do with “branding”. They are crooks, and even though it will not repair the damage they have done, I am glad they are gone.
You'vs summed it up beautifully
But it was that it was right wing governance. This is what it inevitably always leads to: People suffering needlessly.
@@christopherbradley7149 There are people who face a constant struggle. It’s often because of their family situation, poor education and an expectation that they will have less than others. The reasons are often complex. Many are weighed down by their circumstances and can’t find a way out. A government has a duty to protect the vulnerable. The Tories have sneered at and derided the less fortunate. Every service provided by the State has declined.
They have also not dealt with some who have no intention of working. Those unable to because of illness and/or injury have been neglected.
It is time we had a more just and equal society. I believe the biggest issue facing this country is this ridiculous class system.
With the likes of Suella Braverman saying "we must listen to the electorate" on the day of her near personal defeat, and then spouting her usual vitriol as soon as her Rwanda project is scrapped - the conservatives have no chance.
Boris Johnson gutted the party of all the Tories that could have rebuilt the party. It be over ten years before it gets back on it feet again.
They must first show some humility and accept why they lost.
At the moment they are too busy insulting the voters for not realising how clever they are ..
They didnt lost man they winning for 14 years they are winners! People lost everything
@@LondonPower And none of them leave office poorer, but the rest of us....????
@@LondonPower Do you mean they didn't Lose? man And for you a loser is a winner? And the people who lost everything are the people who voted them out? Not much power in those thoughts, man
@@annishilcock4587 They never lose even if it looks like they are. Those who are involved in politics are only winners! Politics in Great Britain is the 6th largest treasury in the world
You'd have to look at who's remaining in the Conservatives.. Cruella Braverman lost a discussion/debate with a 22 year old, and she's there best bet at the moment
Is Braverman even capable of saying anything not twisted with hate?
No she is evil to the core
How would they reinvent themselves? Labour had the room to the right to move back to the electable centre. The Tories willingly abandoned that fertile ground from 2015 onwards, particularly since 2019. But there's no room to the right since Reform are there already.
I've got a Shed out back they can move into.
And REFORM IS THE ONLY CHOICE 🇬🇧
Boris Johnson gutted the party. People Rory Steward and others were all kicked out of the Tory party. There is no one left that could rebuild the party Suella Braverman is empty shirt. She's got no the charisma and her thinking is simplistic and dumb.
Wow. A reasonable analysis on an LBC comments page. It can happen.
The Tories are done.
Imagine how conditioned & brainwashed you must have been to have voted Conservative lol 💀
First they'd have to admit to making mistakes, I can't see that happening & they've run out of scapegoats.
Think they need fresh faces and ideas everywhere, Everyone from BJ’s or Sunaks previous government need to go, and they need to get rid of the large stigma that their leaders are self serving and corrupt e.g party first and country second (which is true ) incredibly difficult years ahead, (green supporter)
The tory party is completely void of principles.
Marcus Fish has no answers - what a petulant wally
Its not a matter whether the Tories can reinvent themselves. More a question if their client media can convince the public they have changed.
They all still graze in Tufton Street.
They're done. Responding to trust issues in the way they have shows this leopard cannot change it's spots.
The freedom from the EU? The freedom to do what? Ensure our finacial decline?
How can they reinvent themselves as honest and competent?
Are they finished? They will be, once we get electoral reform.
He appears to be saying that the Tories have not found any Brexit benefits. We what a surprise. He would have more luck finding unicorns that Brexit benefits.
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@philholbrook7174 yeah, it must be exhausting to get trounced so completely. 🙆♂️
Brexit was strangled at birth by the establishment and the civil service as it wasn’t in their globalist masters interest
@@philholbrook7174 Why are you yawning? You should be furious! You clearly voted to leave the EU and yet nobody can tell us how we benefitted! You were the most invested, you should feel the most betrayed.
@@Jonnyonthespot123
Take in consideration that we left a bit more than 4 and a half years ago, and immediately had a global pandemic. The U.K. saved over £96 billion because if we were in the eu that would have been our contribution to the eu covid recovery budget.
Why cant these torys just accept brexit and boris is what destroyed them
They will never own it. Many are doubling down and going
back for seconds , with Farage . They still refuse to accept that they were deceived.
Finished? Don't get our hopes up.
I think it's time for a reverse Section 28 where nobody is allowed to mention the Conservative Party in schools 😅
As someone who is 33 I wasn't told by my parents or by school how awful Thatcher was. We need Conservatives taught in schools so children know never to ever give them their vote ever again!
Braverman and her like are just being tories, blaming everyone else for their own utter failure to govern.
I've said for a while that we need a new opposition, the Tories need to dissappear and replaced with credible challengers
They could potentially, but as i see it now ; they are cooked.
Look at how Truss, Braverman have acted. So indignant.
Just throwing a tantrum, safe to ignore this one.
And they got turfed out of office for turfing out the centre Tories
Too much Turf Accountancy
They filled the party with lefties. That was Cameron's entire program. He calls himself the heir to Blair. Then the Tories carried out an open borders high tax and spend program beyond Blair's wildest dreams. Then half the conservative voters had enough and voted for an actual conservative party in Reform. Now the Tories say they lost because they were too 'rightwing'. It's hilarious.
It was always impossible to support Brexit and keep a strong economy. Supporting placing large economic sanctions on the country was always going to create high inflation and a cost of living crisis. It has happened to every other country in the world that faced similar sanctions and is why we place such sanctions on our enemies.
Move on from conservatives. They are not the only fishes in the sea.
Done. Simples.
The current tories are not centre right, that's Labour, the current incarnation of the tories is far far right.
They can’t with cry babies like Steve baked 😂
People are sick of the wealth club.
Doesn’t really matter, the damage they have done is irreversible, what’s left of this country is only going one way……
In Denmark we haven’t had a conservative government since 1993.
Today it’s one of the smallest parties in parliament and has since only been part of coalition governments as a smaller party.
To the British I congratulate you.
Now be sensible and rebuild the welfare state.
Absolutely STILL doesn't get it,it's because the brand failed... it's not about YOU OR YOUR BRAND..., it's about the country.
No, the Tories are not finished. It'll take an event bigger than this for a 150 year old party in it's modern form to go belly up. As long as they support the rich, the money will flow to them.
Let's ask someone from the Liz Truss government. He'll talk sense?
Ben Houchen arguing for trust in politics 😂 whilst hiding everything he possibly can with his teesworks shenanigans!
I would like to think they are done!
Marcus Fysh voted out? Well that's a win for the country.
conservative, bad with the economy, bad with immigration, bad with governance, bad with policing, bad with security, bad with the environment, bad with taxes, bad with growth, bad with infrastructure, bad with healthcare, bad with education...etc
They will tear themselves apart in this election campaign, could easily see the right joining reform under Farage, and the remaining centre standing alone or joining the Libs.
I have yet to hear Marcus Fyshe say anything that makes sense. Here he is incapable of setting out what he says he advocates.
A confused man. Needs to abandon the Brexit nonsense.
No! Tories weren’t dead; they’ve withered away and sank into the river of Reform Party! Tory will revive as far right!
There bleeding too many votes to the centre by pandering to the nutters, Reform aren't Conservative in any shape or form
We had exactly the same discussions in 1997. The Tories' position is massively entrenched by First Past the Post. They remain the main challenger to Labour in over 200 seats. If they decide to make themselves electable again, they could be in business again relatively quickly. If they don't, then they may suffer a lingering death. So much depends on how Labour performs, and if the Conservatives decide to sort themselves out.
Rory was the last decent modern Tory
Question. Who cares?
starting again for conservative requires 2 very simplistic rules. 1 stop privatising everything and 2 actually govern! . this will also have a side effect of routing out the disgusting corruption that they became.
Here we go again. Another clown trying to argue brexit benefits that don't exist. Even when he's shafted by it he can't see it.
Now is the time for the SDP to make itself and it's policies more widely known. A lot of centerists on the left and the right would finally have a political home again 🏡🤗
The Tories are finished. Not because there’s no way back but because there simply isn’t anyone with the vision and competence to lead.
They were sunk from the moment that they chose Billy Bunter " yaroo!!" to lead the party .
Hopefully they never, ever come back
"The people are starving."
"Let them use the gents!"
Finished whilst Reform takes almost half their votes. And widely disliked.
Relegated to the bustbins of history!! Thank you Britain 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Not finished.
Just vastly truncated and marginalised.
Demographics is bleeding them out.
They will be one a vestige like the Liberals after 1922.
Despite their gross betrayal of the British people during the pandemic the Conservatives still got 121 seats in the 2024 election, no I wouldn't say the Conservatives are finished as a political force, Farage may dream but he's going to be very disappointed.
Sorry! I read the headline a 'Political Farce'!
I'e been dreaming about the day Suella Braverman is deported from government.
Hopefully yes.
The Tories need to go away do some proper soul searching and listen. Then they've got Braverman opening her not-so-liberal mouth. Listening has never been one of their strengths.
Rename them the Gonserative Party 😂
He talked a lot but offered nothing. Brexit has been a disaster.
Speaking human 😂 who are these people
Do tories over there act like republicans do over in the US?
Close, without the Puritan psychosis, and constant threat of violence, and authoritarian cult leader.
They haven't got as far as the book burning but it feels like they are close.
ever since trump got power, yes. they realised they could just lie and bluster and it would keep them going for a while
You can tell why he wasn't re-elected.
Nope carry on what you’re already doing as it is working, which means it helps Labour! 😂
Will try again. Both the Torys and Labour , purged their moderates, who were often their best thinkers . Rory Stewart and Jeremy Corbin for example. Perhaps both of them were too honest in these days of blatant lying and spin .
Depends on the level of gaslighting they invest in. Pay off some newspapers and tv networks and have them show “Alternate Facts” 24/7. Billionaires have the money.
People have the memories of Fish.
They will be back in power within the next decade.
And a decade later, people will wonder why the country has slid further down the swanny.
Exactly the same position we where in, in 97.
And Labour will do exactly the same as Last time, kick the ball down the road and backdoor Privitisation.
They should be done. But they're all through the media as well.
Blame the poor public tax then more!
Tax the rich.
The former MP here the SDP would probably tick your box they are much more conservative in their current iteration and would pretty much fit that bill.
hopefully. the damage these right wing grifters have done to the country is immense.
Simply invite reform to join the Tories then hold a leadship contest unite the right.
The Tory Party may well be done as a political force.
Firstly, their new leadership battle could end up splitting the party, especially when you consider that only 19 MPs are needed to force a vote of no confidence via the 1922 Committee. That is a tiny figure, and easily reachable considering the factionalism within what is left of the parliamentary party.
Then you have to consider the candidates themselves, pretty much all of whom are too right wing for most of the country, but more importantly they were all senior ministers in the Johnson/Truss/Sunak administrations - they are tainted by association in the eyes of the public. The only exception would be Tom Tugenhat, but he is too centrist for the party membership to be voted in anyway.
And even if all THAT was somehow surmountable, the party faces an existential problem in terms of its demographics. The only age group that favours them now is the elderly, and they are - bluntly - dying out. They have a dwindling minority of supporters in the under 50s, and the youngest voter groups simply don’t have any (and the very youngest are going to be expanded to include 16 and 17-year-olds by 2029).
If you add all that up, and factor in that 2034 is realistically the soonest they have to be properly prepared to contest an election with a chance of winning, by which time even more of their natural supporters will no longer be with us, it’s game over.
Marcus Ratte? This guy is is such a piece of work - I wonder if he would have resigned if he had actually won? And he's obviously a Brexiteer, so off you go, Marcus.
He served in Truss's government, so what does that tell you?
Braverman is a monster. Let's get her as Tory leader - they won't get in power in my lifetime.
Labour stopped being left wing and moved to center left to get elected with both Blair and Starmer.
Of course the tories can return to the center right where they used to be. Even with Johnson.
The UK electirate is moderate/center. leaning a little left or right in response to circumstances.
Every election is fought on that basis.
It'll depend on who they put in charge
When did they start
No I think is the answer, although if the conservatives become obsessed with social issues it could be awhile.
He's right that reform isn't a serious party. Such a shame what the conservatives have become. They had fine leaders such as Cameron
I hope so.
they are finished the brand is toxic
like asking if the empire was done after the battle of Yavin
Wow , TH-cam are deleting my posts before I have even stopped typing.
NO.
No, the Tories are not “done”. But there may be re-alignment in British politics. The centre is - as it always has been - the real battle ground.
In the short term it is about fiscal and financial competence. If Keir Starmer gets that right he will have probably have two terms.
So, the conservatives could be out of power for the next 9 or 10 years. Which is no bad thing, given the mess the Tories have made of the Government and Brexit over the 5 years.
The Tories have been awful for 14 years and Labour will for sure be in power for a similar length of time, hopefully longer.
@@kevinsmarts9953 Nothing is a given. Depends on the Labour Government’s performance in office. Although you have to think that it would take pretty calamitous incompetence by the Labour Government for the Tories, even if re-aligned with Reform, to get anywhere close to re-gaining power over the next decade.
@@really8930 Reform only got 5 seats, if the Tories move towards them they will lose more centre ground and do worse. Their only chance to get back in is to move towards the centre and that means distancing themselves from Reform. Its lose, lose unless a lot of the votes against them were protest votes and they can somehow prove that they would not be so corrupt and incompetent if they got back into power. There's no way they can do that in 5 years, maybe 10 or 15.
The other possibility is for the Tories to somehow make themselves less popular and that could allow Reform to grow. However, that would push the Lib Dems into second place and Labour would become a hard to shift centralist party.
@@kevinsmarts9953 In British politics - the centre ground with a reputation for economic competence is “king”. This is usually the case every election. There will be a massive fight by Tory centre-right and centre-left for the soul of the party. Much as Kinnock had to do with the Militant Tendency in the 1980s.
But the difference, and it’s a big difference, a new Conservative-Reform party (or electoral pact/alliance) could re-capture many of the safe Tory seats lost this time around. But at what cost? Pushing more traditional centrist Tories to the Liberal Democrats and/or towards a new centrist Labour “Model Army” under Starmer?
The Conservative Party is beset by troubles all round. It may get worse, much worse, before it gets any better.
@@really8930 If the Tories move towards Reform they lose the centre ground and Labour and Lib Dems become the main parties. That model cannot work for them.
No they are not but conservative-“ism” as such may well be if they do not turn away from the populist right
This matters don’t matter
There a bunch of liar,s
Who gives a f.
Englands population density's well hidden. It's 448/km🤢. We have the worst homelessness in the west. Labour and Tories collapsed the HNS with immigration. Reform ❎️
Labour have won.. they were going to do so many things.. 2 days later same labour.. its going to take years to be able to make changes 😂😂 its almost like everybody said it from.the beginning
We have a situation where the country is utterly broken by the tories. From Brexit to putting profit over everything, the damage is enormous. That's why any incoming government is going to struggle for a while.
They keep on forgetting Austerity and the decline has been over 14years with Labour 13 years before. My adult life has been wasted by both Labour and Torys.
Labour's previous term was of unprecedented growth and improvement in nearly all markers, until the capitalist bankers created their crash.
@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence facts 💯
Why didn't you go into politics if you feel so strongly?
Labour continue to be rewarded for their invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan
So they not blaming g themselves...blaming g others
Who's "g"?
I think right wing people cannot change their views and the left wing flip from side to side
This ex mp fysh is deluded in his analysis... i have heard his response several times today and he just sounds confused .... he wants reform policies but based on the ground labour are currently occupying!!! He is missing the point as to why there's been a groundswell against the tory party