Chess.com's Bombshell Hans Niemann Report
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2022
- Hikaru reacts to Chess.com's 72 page report on Hans Niemann.
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Hikaru making more money on Hans Cheating than Hans cheating
Facts 😂
This evidence shows that Hikaru was the one behind the cheating all along. He trained Hans
I reckon they’re all in on it. No coincidence the profile of the game has snowballed since this scandal…
I bet all the gms got together and planned this… they’re always a few moves ahead 😂
Hikaru is 10moves ahead as always
😅🤣
I never cheated.
I cheated once when I was 12 and 16 but in unrrated games.
I cheated at least 100 times when I was 12, 14, 16, 17 in rated games but never for money.
I cheated at least 100 times when I was 12, 14, 16 and 17 in rated games and for money but never when I streamed.
I cheated at least 100 times when I was 12, 14, 16 and 17 in rated games and for money while streaming at least 25 times but never against GMs.
I cheated at least 100 times when I was 12, 14, 16 and 17 in rated games and for money while streaming at least 25 times and against GMs but never OTB.
I swear.
Try harder.
I'd swear too if I was Hans and this report just dropped
You're fucking hilarious
Yup that's pretty much how it went 🤣🤣 DAMN!
to be continued...
Ok, now Hans is gonna present us a report by Harvard astrophysicist.
Why? He already admitted privately and now it's leaked.
@@evylrune its a meme about the scandal of dream and his minecraft speedrun where he had some hardvard dude try to debunk evidence of cheating with some wacky wahoo statistics
Thanks my friend, I had no idea about that reference
He'd be like "We have to observe out to the Andromeda Galaxy in order to see Hans true rating score."
Dream on.
“The 72 page statistical report speaks for itself.”
Lol
😂🤣
Nice lol
lol
Hans may have cheated 100 times, but he would never cheat 101 times. Also, at 17 he was basically a kid, now he's a much wiser older 19 years man.
The sad thing is, this is basically the stance that a huge number of chess ‘fans’ are taking, in blindly defending Hans
Funny tht the difference in maturity between 17 and 19 means little in this case but tht a19 year old doing it with a 17 year old would be considered pedophilia 😂 those 2 years matter 😌
@@Cherry-pu4mx wtf
Where are all the people calling out "Magnus fanboys" now 😂
"Never?" As in quit cold turkey? I seriously doubt that. And the BIGGER issue is that he muddied up the game. So yes, the boy cried wolf 2 times. The third time? He is already a wolf-crier. And Hans cheated 100 TIMES ..in REAL games with REAL money prizes ..
"Return?" The only return I see is him staying in Chess prison like a good boy and not trying to blame his friends for his situation.
Also, this isn't Hikaru that's trying to cash in but guys that want to keep the status quo and the ACTUAL investigation for his OTB games have not been not been concluded yet.
Danny: pinky promise you won’t cheat
Hans: ok
Basically 😂
I would never cheat for money..
Technically Danny cannot prove that Hans didn't twist his fingers when making that promise, hence the ban should be lifted.
here's diamond membership, 2500 rating and affiliate link. tell me it is not about money
Daniel Rensch = Johan Bruyneel
Being the chief chess officer must be a daunting task. You have to deal with so many complaints on a game that hasnt even had an update in hundreds of years
where people can literally have another window open and cheat extremely easily. yeh it's tough :/
chess 960 is not an update?
you dont have to deal with them. just ignore them
The game doesn’t need updating but the rules sure do!
I thought they updated it recently by removing the ability to agree to a draw or something
"I will never cheat a 101 time."
Hans, probably.
Hans calling out Hikaru - Biggest blunder of the 21st century
The "Niemann Gambit"
Wdym? He said something?
He called all super GMs idiots for accusing him of being a cheater
He beat Magnus, he’d beat Hikaru
@@steyyJ Sure, if by all, you mean people who thought his beating Magnus and drawing Alireza were automatically suspish. The jury's still out on that.
Danny is like a daddy trying to help a kid out of the wrong path. When you are a kid, you have the privilege of having a second chance, or even third & fourth chances, again and again. But some kids just learn literally nothing from their misbehaviors. When they grow up, becoming adults, they will soon realize that the privilege of being easily forgiven has disappeared, the real world is harsh and brutal.
Cheating and lying is harsh and brutal. Ppl like him play a big role making the world to such an awful place.
That's how you raise a narcissist and a terrible human being.
Off with his Hans..
Yeah, got the same impression...
Good comment.
One of the biggest reasons they give high level players "second chances" is so that they can establish a database of confirmed cheated games that they can use to compare against suspicious games. This is super important in making their cheat detection model as strong as possible. Also super important for improving their model as they can go over those games with a fine tooth comb and improve its overall specificity.
Sounds like a good point to make!
One thing is for sure: Hikaru is not a data scientist.
...But he understands chess better than any data scientist in the world
- Confucius probably
@@con_el_maestro3544 Utterly irrelevant.
Are you some sort of data scientist?
@@ngc-fo5te so?
Nobody said he is a data scientist. He's a chess player and chess streamer.
hikaru has said the word data scientist more times in his last 2 hours of content than I have heard in my entire life
I assume he's not a data scientist
It’s his applications packet for coding boot camp
Did you say data scientist? I'm sorry I hear data scientist.. Oh my bad data scientist!
@@raservesthedinner7620 I don’t think that we can assume that, at least I can’t as I’m not a data scientist.
@@raservesthedinner7620 LOL
Chat talking about Danny stepping down is so toxic. Danny may have given Hans too many chances, but the only thing that this situation has given me is MORE respect for Danny and his obvious love for the chess community. IMO he was professionalism personified during this entire situation.
Bro we're all clowns in the chat, don't mind us
Tell that to the dozens of players he beat by cheating.
Sure, professional at the expense of the dozen and dozen of LEGIT players that is
he allowed it to continue for years instead of keeping an eye on him... while he cheated for money and against the same community you mention.. grow up kid. He failed the community. life isn't all flowers
Nah I understand why he should step down. But idk give the man a reality check. Some people never change, and they shouldnt be given an eternity of get out of jail free cards.
How many times would you let the repeat child molester keep working at a daycare huh? I bet people like all of you would give a second chance, a third chance, a fourth chance to let a child molester keep working at a daycare even though they keep molesting children. Because you believe in the good of people, ooohih how noble.
Ahh this chess drama is the gift that keeps on giving. I'm loving the non-stop reveal of updates.
The modern version of the bubble is inanely inane.
@@jackfiercetree5205 the bubble?
I'm going to have to find new drama when Hans inevitably quits and/or is blackballed.
@@Vingul the one you, or I, or anyone lives inside of. It is akin to your Open Air prison. 1984, Brave New World, Animal farm. Bubbles, ya know? For Kids.
@@straifaces I heard a theory that this is NeuralLink's debut. Shortly Elon will reveal, it wasn't AnalBeads, it was a NeuralLace and even average folk can beat grandmasters, with this installed...
Danny gave Hans more than enough chances and Hans still chose to lie through his teeth, no one is goings to trust Hans from now on
There are enough simps that will pay him money in support of his OnlyHans account. Probably want to see the beads lol.
The report cleared his name on OTB stuff, watch agadmators video on the report
Well the US Championships trust him. He's allowed to play, no worries.
If he thinks Danny's going to treat him like Kasparov, he's clearly never heard the phrase "money talks".
Hikaru "Wait you guys I'm confused" Nakamura
"I need people to believe I'm a worthy rival". I guess the chess doesn't speak for itself after all.
The beads vibrate for themselves.
hahahaha
Not when your GM coach is in the audience sending the right signals to vibrate. I'd say then that "the beads vibrate for Dlugy" 😆
The cat is out of the box and it's all thanks to Magnus Carlsen, a true champ that will be remembered not only for beeing one of the greatest chess players ever, but also for taking action in a world full of cowards. FIDE's responsibility and guilt can not be overestimated.
Aren't they kinda just bureaucratic nothings, must've been seriously tempting to defraud them. Their lethargy and post office clerk energy made this irresistible for somebody 100-2000 world-ranked.
If according to this report there’s no evidence of Hans cheating since 2020 or OTB, how did Magnus knew?
@@PredatorPeyami Is he better at detecting cheaters than chesscom and Regan?
@@acpliego Yeah, probably. After you've played thousands of ranked games at the absolute peak highest level and who knows how many thousands of other games online against top players and cheaters I'm sure his intuition is pretty solid who could be cheating. Not to mention the suspicions from other high level gms and previous cheating
@@acpliego Lmfao, Regan is as good at detecting cheating as my grandma's cat. He's an educated idiot. His algorithm doesn't even make sense to mathematicians.
If you take a shot whenever Hikaru says data scientist you'll pass tf out
N.B. "tf" is common alias for tensorflow, which you can use to build custom RNN's.
I did and I still haven't passed out yet, my keyboard seems to have a lot of duplicate keys though
Take a shot every time he repeats himself 💀💀💀
My take is: Hans was blatantly turning on the engine even against Nepo or Naroditsky, Bok, etc... He got 100% grilled by Danny, was offered a way to "start fresh" and since then, he's been more selectively cheating, he's just more careful! This is just my personal opinion, Hans still cheats and it will be hard to prove it!
Danny was obviously giving Hans the benefit of the doubt as he was just a kid. Hans just took advantage time and again.
Thats the problem with having empathy for cheaters. It's in their DNA. They will always continue cheating unless they can't or the punishment becomes too risky
I think it’s more having empathy for a kid who has made a mistake. Surely we’ve all been there at some point? The criminal justice system treats minors different for a reason. It was probably a mistake to try and keep it hush hush though and not really serve a punishment. Hans must’ve felt like he was getting away with it and didn’t learn his lesson. I expect they will learn from that.
benefit yes. doubt no
@@bt82 100 mistakes doesn't sound like a mistake any more, but rather just vile
Time and again? The emails take place in August 2020 and there is no evidence Hans has cheated since then, online or OTB. They had to talk to him once
If he only said "the chess speaks for itself" to avoid a proper interview where he'd have to analyse and explain his moves, that's the biggest plot twist of the year
And how fast he walked away from the table. He almost jumped out of the chair.
He also drank about a gallon of water and showed no emotion after beating Magnus.
M Knight Shyamalan quality twist. 🥱 Hans turning edge lord and scampering down the hallway was painfully uncool + transparent😭
@@Truthinessization are you supposed to? I’ve seen other grandmasters and even super gms do the same thing.
@@australium7374 He wasn't a super GM when he did it. In fact it was the first indication that he could be one. The overall impression is that he didn't feel as if the accomplishment was his own, that he was nervous about the situation and that he knew he could not give a well thought out explanation of his feat.
Cheating is an addiction. It's like playing videogames with a guide. Or looking in the back of a schoolbook for answers. At first, it's just to double check but then it's just so easy you do it whenever difficulty arises.
The cheater rationalizes it like "it's not really cheating I'm just making sure I was right."
If not an addiction it's a strong temptation. I agree with you about online chess, but otb is a different beast.
Hans wasn't lying his chess definitely speaks for itself
The cheating at chess champion spelunked himself.
Hikaru's channel now is just him reading to his audience
I honestly think it's irrelevant whether Hans cheated in a specific game against Magnus. If he got his way to that tournament by cheating, he doesn't deserve the respect of playing amongst the best in the world.
That is a key point so many people are missing. Well said!
Exactly what i have been saying for so long now. So many young GM's are waiting for invitations in top tournaments.
I think that might be what Magnus was trying to say all along. Not that Hans definitively cheated him in that specific game OTB, but that he should never have been there to begin with.
@@oiajwoadgea6123 everyone cheats online? Mmm no, they don't
@@oiajwoadgea6123 hahahaha only a cheater would say that. The report even says 0.14% of people cheat ... Which is still too high but at least we found one
All eyes on Danny it seems. Even the best of us suffer from naivety sometimes. Hans had a more sinister coach in secret, the one Magnus called out.
Are you saying Hans had a sith chessmaster?
@@Abb0able luckily there are only ever two at a time.
Always two, there are. No more. No less. A Master and an apprentice.
I wish similar procedures were conducted to ensure honesty from our politicians
If only！
And the medical community, and educational institutions, and finance, and science and the media....etc etc etc
How about if they run it on all professional chess players first?
Danny’s not mad…he’s just disappointed
Hans - "You can go and stick that 72 page report where the sun don't shine"...
He himself cannot, no more space in there...
Too many beads in there..
@@riccardinonero1852 🤣🤣🤣
Hikaru, this is the third time you have reposted this video today.
hikaru is feasting on this story like a hanging pawn
*Like a juicer
all the chess youtubers are doing it. in fairness this is thd biggest scandal in modern chess so im not suprised they all wanna snaffle it up like pigs at a feeding trough.
@@misterkunnyfunt It's nice in here! Come on inside..
58 000 views so far and it was published a few hours ago. I think more people than Hikaru are feasting.
it's a juicer alright
You have commented many times how fair Danny have been. But Magnus should also be commended for coming forward, scarifying points, money and some popularity to ultimately defend chess here. As he has said in the past he’s not only a chess player but a massive fan of chess history. My opinion of how Magnus has conducted himself has gone up tremendously over this situation.
That is not what he was doing. He was upset that he lost to a weaker player with a cheating past who trash-talked him after winning. That is how this started. If Carlsen was doing this for chess, he would've made a statement a lot earlier or even refused to play him.
he lost fair and square and cried like a sore loser. And it was further proved by this report, which says that Niemann did not cheat on ANY OTB games, including vs Magnus
@@malibunights7108 he’s been cheating OTB, just hasn’t been proved yet. Wait as they increase checks, and delays, how his play changes, it already has.
@@RogueCylon nope. Chesscom specifically said no cheating happened vs Magnus. The organizers and the arbiters also said so
@@RogueCylon they already increased the security checks, and they delayed the broadcast for 30 minutes, removed all audiences. So far, Niemann is leading the US Championship along with Caruana
Hans: Many people suddenly jumped at me and accused me . Even Hika---
Hikaru :; So u have chosen death !
@@elonif4125 MY MANNNNNNN
@@elonif4125 lol
They should have hans walk through a metal detector etc then see if he still plays like a 2700.
Omae wa mou shindeiru
@@elonif4125 Yoooooooo, I got that reference
I want to hug Danny, I am sure he is dissapointed with all of this and he just seems like a very nice cool person
The 99.98 percent refers to probability of cheating, you do not need to play with 99.98 percent accuracy. All that means is that if there is a still a possibility that the a player hasn't cheated and the numbers just look bad but people aren't sure then they won't take immediate action
I remember way way before this scandal started someone in chat asked Hikaru about Hans and his rapid improvement. Hikaru answered in a sarcastic tone that Hans has been drinking too much fish stock lately.
😂😂😂 that’s hilarious. Only discovered Hikaru recently, after hearing about the cheating scandal. He’s a gem.😊
"I'm somewhat of a 'chess engine' myself."
-probably Hans Niemann
Hans ''The Engine'' Beadmann
Hans is a sociopath. The guy doesn’t even seem to feel remorse at all for what he did.
No one talking how Danniel Rensch is such a great person, he may as well be the true definition of being a man. He is such a good role model. He has all my respect
No, he was too lenient and compromised the integrity of chess.
@@chrimony what are you even talking about. Instauring a dictatorship is not problem solving. He did it to help the chess players, not to be regarded as the best at cheating detecting. he went full personal with each case of high level cheating, and more than ones found a compromise to not destroy one career. He is getting responsibility for his actions and I think he doesn't regret his way of doing things, because I sure wouldnt regret it. Just because you are 14yo and you are thinking postum of what happened, doesn't mean you are in the right. Being compassioned when needed and unbendable when needed is the meaning of being a true man, even if you have to suffer for the consequences of your choices, you don't suffer for your choices.
@@chrimony I think publishing the report exonerates him. He just wanted to help a young chess player find their way, and now that it didn't work he's giving everyone the receipts
@@isley8915 Hans isn't the first time a player he was lenient on went on to cheat again. In fact, Hans's coach blamed his cheating on a student calling out moves (I wonder who?), but then went on to cheat again after he was let back on. Also, cheaters should be made public, as their actions are against the public. By being so lenient, Danny is saying it's alright to cheat and get caught, whereas it should be an unforgivable sin in chess. Chess is nothing without integrity.
@@SidV101 It took Magnus putting his reputation on the line to get to this point. Things have gone too far.
Danny is such a nice guy. I appreciate what he did even though Hans has cheated so much.
Big Danny W!
I hate that he doesn't share an unending hatred for those who try to get ahead unfairly to the rest.
@@ekkehard8 Danny was treating Hans like a kid, and kids make mistakes. He was giving Hans second chances as he believed he could change, Hans is a young player and I think Danny hoped he could be rehabilitated into a regular, clean, fair player. Unfortunately Hans took all the second chances Danny gave him and didn't change one bit, he continued to cheat
I get the impression that Danny has good intentions and want to see Hans improve. However if someone has been given several chances to redeem themselves and they don’t ever improve themselves, sometimes it can actually be more detrimental to keep giving them chances
@@hi-ve1cw 17 years olds should not be treated like they're 7.
Enough with this "kid" nonsense.
BIG L for Danny.
How can you be this gullible or dumb?
It's like releasing a murderer time, after time, after time. Same principle.
I like how he never stopped over the fact that other anonymous GMs have admitted to cheating
When you give a cheater this many chances, it’s almost disrespectful to all of those people who had to play against the cheater. Especially when it comes to prize events
Hans kicking himself for the one tweet he made at Hikaru lmao
I think you are kicking yourself more than Hans is lmao, rent free
Clearly not a forward-thinker, that Hans 🤣
I missed that, what did Niemann write?
@@prev how 12 year olds troll 😂 try harder bro
@@prev rent free? 😂 He will be forgotten in a few months
Suddenly the Han's defenders narrative went from "Magnus is a sore looser and a child" to "Yeah this guy cheats twice a month but FOOOOOR SUUUUURE he didn't do it this time"
Any cheater should be definitly banned with no second chance to come back again and should be publicly ashamed. Cheating has been treated far too lightly until now
Yeah, banning Kasparov at the height of his comparative strength? Smooth.😂😂
how could you not have massive respect for Danny at this point?
Crazy how Danny gave Niemann tons of chances to be better but he always did it anyway.
My favorite bit from this take was Niemann losing in an engine vs engine game. I guess the old proverb "cheaters never prosper" needs a revision to "cheaters never prosper when going against a better cheater".
Or if they're Kasparov and people are too scared to call them out.
Jeez, i get absolutely no sense of guilt or regret of any kind. Literally all he wants to do is fool people in to believing his Web of lies. Trying to keep people quiet with legal threats along with outright lies and manipulation.
At this point i don't blame anyone for not wanting to play him.
I love reading/watching this big Chess Drama even though i don't play chess at all. So entertaining !
Danny is in a tough spot as a human being I feel, yea he has an obligation to the game, but he also sees a teenager who clearly is repeatedly cheating and wants to set him straight and fix it. Danny certainly shouldn't have been so lenient but I do have to say I appreciate the empathy and sympathy Danny shows, good lad.
If you spent years of your life working on a talent/skill to VS someone who has cheated their way up to challenge you, would you really want to continue that game?
Engine speaks for itself.
So Danny Rensch tells people that a situation is going to be handled privately and then not only does he not keep his word, he release actual emails of what was said. What a class act.
Interesting that's what you chose to get out of it.
@@ramirr It makes a lot more sense than Danny Rensch bending over backwards to keep his titled, top 100 players on the site, and people reacting "gee, what a nice guy. He gives players who adorn his site so many chances, right up until they become bad press, then he reverses gear. His problem is he's TOO nice."
hikaru didnt scroll down to the part where they show hans never cheated otb...
seems like someone has an agenda
ya think?
I want Hikaru to delivery my eulogy. "He was a good man who loved his wife and son. Thank you Sylvia for the 20 gifted."
🤣
The amount of people that still, STILL think he's not a cheater is fucking INSANE! He admitted to being a cheater, got caught lying about the frequency of his cheating, and now there are emails showing how manipulative he was about trying to get unbanned from cheating. Anyone that thinks he's not a cheater is flat out delusional.
You've gotta be the boss of chess if you farm magnus for rating
Imagine
Magnus farms top GM's on occasion, then this kid who recently got GM and is nowhere near being a top GM just comes and beats the world champ with black while also having a past of cheating and being taught by a cheater? People forget that it's very rare for Magnus to lose as white, even while facing top GM's. It was probably obvious to Magnus that something is very off during the match and that's why he did something he never did before and accused Niemann of cheating.
@@fador1337 There is still no evidence (hard or statistical) that Hans cheated in that particular Sinquefield Cup game. It's likely that Magnus already decided to not play Hans before the match and he just convinced himself that Hans was cheating in that game, hence his poor performance. Either way, we know not to take Hans words at face value.
@@fador1337 he didnt cheat in that game lmfao you saw the report. quit crying over it XDD
@@ass-master-deluxe Lack of evidence of cheating does not mean evidence of no cheating. Given his track record it isn't exactly safe to assume he didn't cheat. Of course, no one is saying that he did either.
I think we still have to remember even if he did do something really bad, he still has a soul and emotions. We don’t want him to commit suicide or anything. People can change and God’s mercies are new every morning. He can change people’s hearts. Let’s pray for him too
I mean it looks like Hans will never stop cheating.
Of course, don't bully him for no reason, just ban him from the chess sites and tournaments.
I don't think it will go that far but I respect your comment.
so there still is no proof that hans has cheated against magnus......
"I never cheated over the board!" says Hans Niemann, member of the Lance Armstrong chess academy.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Breaking: Hans Neimann selected as first round draft pick for the new england patriots
enormous respect to Danny. you can tell given the power that he has to make or totally break the futures of chess players young and old alike, ..he really hates to use that power and always gives chances even to those who are well undeserving.
It’s pathetic, common knowledge many top GMs have cheated. Hans is just the fall guy because be destroyed Hand fairy over the board.
One reason I put more weight to this data and interpretation is that more people are implicated. If a statistical method could consist as conclusive evidence that Hans cheated, the same method could be used on all players and would have to be certain enough to convict them of cheating as well. This does seem to implicate other players, and we have to assume that more people than Hans cheat.
Hans HAS to be banned across the board by the whole chess community. If he isn't, not only does it look AWFUL for chess, but it lets every single person out there know that you can cheat all you want, there are zero consequences. Sure you might get banned on Chesscom if they catch you, but just say sorry and you will be right back in money matches. This is insane.
Outside the US people usually get second chances for wrondoings and crimes they did as a minor and they don't get trialed as an adult also.
What look awful for chess is banning from chess community when he has not cheated in years and never otb. We should not make an example out of him like that when his cheating was so minor.
@@heliosho this isn't a criminal matter so second chances don't need to apply
I think it is good to give young people second chances. I don't think they need to earn them, but I think they should get them as a general principal. There might be more extreme cases, where I would limit my point, like certain violent crimes. (I think in such cases second chances maybe have to be earned in a way)
The only person known to have 100% cheated in a tournament over the board is considered by many people to be the greatest player ever. And it's not even an obscure fact about him -- it's just nobody cares.
Magnus is a hero. He took the hit before the report. He insisted while majority like to protect everyone just for drama. It is clear Magnus was right. If Hans is allowdd to get over this, chess is over.
Chess has been going for 600-1500 years (modern version vs originals) but if we let Hans play, this is how Chess ends? What does that mean?
there's no proof he cheated over the board. it's all speculation and evidence that only the people that brought it up can understand
@@garethmiller8932 there's something called extrapolation,you should learn that.
Allowing cheaters and lyers to go unpunished will encourage people to cheat and therefore end the game.
Wow, they finally published it
The cheating speaks for itself...
(1) I have read that Hans' rise was fast, bit not unprecedented, if you look at number of games (which seems more relevant) than numbers of months. (2) I think the report's assertion (PDF page 15) that you need to be a GM at 14 or so to be elite is just wrong ("The conventional wisdom is that if you are not a GM by age 14, it is unlikely that you can reach the top levels of chess.") Check out Ding, Nepo, Aronian, and Anand -- all 16 or later. For example, Nepo born 07/90, final GM norm in 05/07, almost 17 years old; Vishy was 18. Or Karpov and Spassky -- 18 or 19; yes, a different era, but the report notes Fischer as an example of a notable GM by 15. (Not saying Hans didn't do it)
I understand, but that kind of language has no business in a paper that's supposed to be "SERIOUS data science". "The conventional wisdom is..." is highafalutin' for "people say..."
The fact that Hans has no ability to break his games down might be the most telling this about this whole situation.
"The chess speaks for itself".... What a damning statement.
his delivery of that line was so rude and cocky too. i hope he never gets to play for money ever again.
Chess speaks for itself. That is something that cannot be denied
Best thing to happen for Chess since Bobby Fischer's rise.
Subtle!
The other big problem is why chess allowed all this to happen for years and covering Hans' actions? They knew for years about Hans' cheating and kept it in secret.
he's very young, and without doubt, talented. Danny sees that Hans is a strong GM, and tried to protect him for his reputations. but hans seems to have taken advantage of that and cheated more. what a guy. now he deserves the defamation. no one cares if he's good in chess or if he's really playing well in otb. no one's gonna believe a cheater.
@@mubaraksenju7521 no, there is no evidence he cheated AFTER his initial ban. So can a young person never make a mistake?
@@bleepfakes if cheating more than hundred times also in tournaments with money prizes is but a mistake than no, he can not. Also it's not 'never'. Those were many, many mistakes. And I bet the only mistake he thinks he did was cheating in a way leading to being caught. If he didn't have balls to admit to all his cheating 'mistakes' when he was caught and says that it happened only couple times than he do not deserve any benefit of a doubt. Never ever.
@@adamkowalski6061 its possible that he even got better at cheating as to not get caught. The cases such as this are not that uncommon in other spots. Because every time you cheat you get better at it. Either way he should face lawsuits and lose lot of ratings points and possibly have a ban for at least a year from competitive chess
Cheating is rife, with many top players cheating.They didnt want everyone to know this, so by default they keep all this cheating stuff secret. Not just for Hans.
But now they have dun goofed up and let the cat out of the bag.
More drama to come if/when the many other names get leaked.
data scientist here!
This report is on point and the statistics that are coming out are fantastic. Not only can you retroactively look at statistical probabilities and come up with a very clear picture of how impossible it would be for him to do what he did, but proactively they also have AI models that can analyze your games and determine whether you're cheating based off of your body of past games. Additionally, as stated in the video, they can track when you're switching tabs (i.e. looking at another tab to get the engine move).
This report was such a gem to read... and shows how thoroughly they monitor cheating. If anything, it should act to comfort the chess community that at least one site is looking out for the integrity of the game.
Clearly, they can't come out and say definitively that he cheated until they have eyewitness testimony, but the statistics that have come out are overwhelmingly damning. Basically, in my opinion, either Hans is the GOAT who has an AI for a brain, or he regularly has 'outside assistance' (you decide which)
What do y'all think of the report and the analysis?
Danny is still helping him. He will be back because this was all marketing. Welcome to the fold hans 🤣
Oh shit the report was released! Thanks for covering this so quick Hikaru
Hikaru just wont stop. 😂😂😂
Pathetic stuff, there’s plenty of top GMs cheating online as many as 20% Hans is getting “exposed” because he beat Hans fairly Over the board.
The only thing we know for sure after all these reports, is that Hikaru is not a data scientist
Cheating 100+ times should be enough to get a lifetime ban for all chess related things. Anyone that invites Hans to a tournament at this point should not be running a tournament.
That's cleared it pretty good. Thanks Hikaru.
They're saying the stats say he has cheated extensively online throughout the years, and they don't think it's something he has stopped doing, but they don't have clear (any?) evidence he cheated against Magnus in the sineqfield event, or any other over the board game or tournament.
They are well within their remit to remove invites to online tournaments and assess future invites to OTB tournaments.
This is the gift that just keep son giving. Am not sure what excites me most, the never ending rabbit hole of cheating scandals or playing the "I'm not a data scientist" drinking game. 10/10!
When this drama is over, Hikaru will hopefully receive his well deserved honorary doctor title in data science.
Surely it is possible to send anywhere in the world an engine set to validate any claimed rating in a rapidplay match under controlled conditions. if hans can play 2700 let him show it. similarly those other 4 suspects in the top 100. perhaps carlsen or gmhikaru could volunteer to test it.
The report speaks for itself
I feel bad for Danny - so generous and just to be taken advantage of.
Wait is Hikaru secretly a data scientist?
Love your coverage of the "infamous" Hans' "underhanded" actions! As a minimum the guy has serious character & psych issues...keep up your passionate coverage!!
This has to be the greatest thing to happen to the chess scene in a long time. The amount of coverage is astonishing. Is Hans the hero we deserved but not the one we needed???
Needed not deserved
Hans is the villain. Magnus is the hero we needed
I appreciate Danny giving Hans so many chances, gotta give a kid a second chance!
Hikaru is loving this chess drama lol. He's making a ton of content surrounding it
Danny tried to be merciful. Looks like his mercy has run out.
Let's all take a moment to appreciate that this drama is so far developing in the general direction of everything we dreamed or could have hoped for in the purity of our hearts.
I'm gonna have to feature some Hans' games in my channel
I want to see hikaru vs low ELO +chess engine alternating each move.
“Those beads are bigger than you think”
Hans ‘Hugh Janus’ Niemann
hans should become an NFL wide receiver
Plot twist : Hans cheating is the just tip of the iceberg.
If there's something this mess has taught me, is how crazy Bobby Fischer was in his prime and 20 game win streak