I don't understand how these are that good value. You can get full 105 di2 for ~£1000. This was £600 and potentially another £150 for customs and duty and its missing half the parts of the groupset. I would always take SRAM or Shimano over LWOO when the difference in price is small. Thats always been the value proposition of these chinese brands. Save loads of money but you might pay for that in lack of parts, easy of service and reliability. For saving probably about 8% its just not worth it.
The key is not to live in a sht country that's milking you in every turn 😂 go get trapped in 12s then. Parts wear faster and more expensive and always out of stock. Yeah sure is better 😂
To me its not just that its cheaper but it also allows you to take your time and make the conversion from 11 speed to 12. This means it allows you to budget for the change. The added issue solved for persons who don't for eg live in the developed world is the twoo app is not geo blocked like the Shimano di2 one is. Therefore Ltwoo truly is the group set for all and not just for certain locations
The masochism of people willing to make their bike depend up on some silly app is truly amazing. The audacity to make such product depend up on where you are! And the obvious strikingly short timed planned obsolescence on top of it. Those companies are going to loose quickly market share, since viable alternatives are apparently past the teething phase.
er9 is a closer comparison to 105 Di2 though; the Shimano offering is not carbon fibre. Price for that is currently £420 shipped to the UK. Throw in Senicx PR3 cranks and a ZTTO 11-34 and you're a good 350 quid cheaper than 105 any day.
Yeah for a box full of stuff that if anything breaks you've a 8 week wait for replacements .I'll stick with Shimano Sram etc .The extra money is convenience of repair which I'm happy to pay
Yeah, but how many times have you had to warranty groupset parts? In all my years and bikes, the answer for me, is never. The big chunk of change saved is more than enough for me to chalk a failure up to life and buy a replacement. Remember, you're gonna be in the same boat wioth the big 3 after 12 months; the only difference is, as pointed out, there's a longer lead time for AE sourced parts (whilst we're on the bleeding edge of release anyway, until more people start stocking them)@@JaiJai-by4tp
@samgraham4168 Wareanty with shimano and sram is a minimum of 2 years 3 for Dura ace. I would ask if its even possible to buy a single unit from ltwoo .
This group set is 11/12 speed compatible which is really cool and the rear derailleur can be adjusted to each sprocket on the cassette in the “app” , as well as the front. In the app you just pick 11 speed or 12 speed set up then u fine tune from there. Its compatible with SRAM, Shimano, and Campy chain sets which hits a huge market value in the road cyclist rider at a very cost effective price who don’t want to spend thousands of hard earned money on Dura Ace or Campy Record bike components. I think it will very attractive for this type of consumer in the road seine.
But somebody looking at buying Dura-Ace or Record probably isn't looking at this groupset as an alternative imo. It's the other end of the market where this groupset is really potentially interesting, bringing tech to a lower price point
You will be fine, used ltwoo group set to retro mod my old stumpy ,no problems blind fold could not tell the difference between deore,not shackled by big boys no more 😂😅😅
I do think this is a good value as an upgrade kit if you have say 105 mechanical. But what I want someone to try is using the leavers with 105 calipers. I do think if your buying a full group for a new build Sram still wins for me just because it’s allot easier to instal and having removable batteries. I also find Sram to be easier to use with just one big button on each leaver.
@@BurgerTime7441 crazy to assume that Sensah has the same quality as Ltwoo. Historically, shifts with Ltwoo mechanical drivetrains have been generally better and more consistent than the same tier Sensah. Reviewers of the eRX have been really impressed with shifting so far as well, saying that it's just slightly below 105 Di2.
105 mechanical works so well. Unless you are wanting 12 speed and or electronic, then I'd stick with what you have. Oh, also unless you could use the extra range from 12 speed. I used Shimano for a lot of year, but have moved to SRAM entirely over the last few years. I personally like the functionality of SRAM electronic better and I prefer the removable batteries. I much prefer the one button on SRAM to the two buttons close to each other on Shimano. When I was really bonked or not focused, I'd hit the wrong button on Shimano. That is just me and my opinion. Plus, I have large hands and I think the SRAM works better for me.
Or maybe David you could get Chine frame for example elves eglath pro , and make a full China bike ? This should be a decent bike , i wonder how you would rate this China bike and Colnago for example.
Do the OG-Evkin CF-026. Already tons of reviews on the elves. Only real review of OG-Evkin (slightly older version) frame is from Trace Velo, and he made it sound like a quality frame.
Sram and shimano wants you trapped in 12s drivetrain which wears quicker and more expensive. Which is why ltwoo is so appealing since you can switch to 10 or 11s
I'm most interested in durability / longevity, especially in bad weather. I'm all for getting a groupset like this, but I don't want to struggle to keep it running after a year (about 20,000kms)
I just don't know why anyone would pass up a well supported and similarly priced SRAM Or Shimano di2, with well established reliability record.....for this unknown. I don't see this as a disruptor, unless it significantly drops in price.
Trace Velo world! This the first Chinese electronic set and they're only going to get better...I did read somewhere that the head of Ltwoo is a patent lawyer, which is presumably how they can make a Di2 that's not a Di2.
@@samgraham4168 not the end of the world. You can still trim manually. Plus you're not stuck in the money gouging 12s parts. Wish they could get around the hood shifters tho. Would be cool to have those as well
Im all for aftermarket i yse some of it myself BUT you must factor in warranty and warranty turnaround with small brand overseas purchases. Also very important is individual part replacement eg if you break one shifter can you buy just buy one shifter or only a pair?.If you need a new derailleur cage and wheels can you buy readily and fast? These groups arent cheap if you cant get parts.
Calm down lmao. It's less than a year old. You act as if shimano or sram isnt always out of stock. They pretend replacement parts are available but in reality always not in stock. What they have are cassettes, chains and cranks which wear faster im 12s
I don’t get the excitement. If Rival and 105Di2 are roughly the same cost with proven quality, good service options and no icky feeling about buying what some people say is a knock off, what’s the advantage of buying this?
It's the sunk cost fallacy. It appeals to those who intend on buying this to pair with the cheapest cranks/cassette/chain/rotors/etc possible thinking they'll be cheaper, only to likely upgrade further down the line on those parts and spend more money.
That's why I was keen to buy this first electronic groupset to see what all the excitement was about or whether it's better sticking with the known brands
It all look nice and pretty but my past experience with Chinese groupsets is very hit and miss quality control, now there are sub £1000 offers from the big guys, it's not looking such a bargain especially if you do get stung for import duty. After watching one of your vids, I picked up a 105 groupset from Wiggle for £299 to replace Sensah...... It just works, brakes better, no oversensitive rear derailleur, no chain drops, happened all the time with Sensah on Rotor cranks n chain wheels, Shimano just works. I'd love to see it fitted to the bike you have Rival on as I believe the Chinese are aiming for that mid range groupset.
Hopefully, you won't run into the issue Luke from TraceVelo ran into with the front derailleur dying because the logic board on the rear derailleur broke.
I have the ltwoo grx groupset. Im not a massive fan of the hood shape( though this does seem a little different) I see on the chinertown forum that sensah are developing there own electronic groupset. Id be very interested in that.
Hi, I thought you might be interested, I did some digging and I found an electronic derailleur, you have a derailleur, 2 battery's and a pair of buttons, the system is called EDS OX from China 👍
Will I go for this over 105 no! Why - when this breaks which it will what happens? How does one get parts for this? I think it will be a lot of unnecessary headache. If I resided in Asian perhaps I would consider it. My 2 cents.
If you already have a bike and want to upgrade it into electronic shifting and hydraulic brake, I would say Ltwoo is definitely worth it. But if you (at least myself) want to build a bike from zero, I would go directly to 105 di2.
More options are always a good thing. But I just don't think the value is there now compared to 105, Rival, and Apex. Either way, Looking forward to the review and long-term follow-up.
You act like there's any value in those setups? SRAM drops parts all the time, Shimano is deliberately incompatible with itself! If these guys make wider range cassettes versions and compatible flat/fldeop bar versions these will be amazing.
Haha I doubt that'd the case. Shimano is of god like size and not threatened by small ops like ltwoo, sensah or others. The same with sram they aren't being threatened they're just too big
Is it safe to use products that are not certified under the Radio Law in your area? I know that there is always the problem of illegal radio waves with such products, but I am not sure if there is a problem.
Wheeltop will release one later year though. But they keep delaying release so who knows.... I'm in the same position as you and just don't want to purchase a set of used R6870...
Please buy an OG-Evkin CF-026 Disc Frame and install these on that Frame. Luke (TraceVelo) just did a build review of the CF-025 (older non-aero version with exposed cables) and reported it as a QUALITY FRAME. The frame is like $619 USD, so not that much. Would be great to know if that frame is suitable for crit racing (looks aero and stiff) and how it compares to the higher dollar bikes you have ridden. Lots of internet content on Winspace and Elves frames already.
You say £600 but you need to take into account VAT you got really lucky not having to pay any getting it into the country, unless they auto applied it on the checkout? Looks quite decent to be fair wished they have a rim brake version I think they missed a trick with that, could be the only company offering an affordable di2 rim brake groupset.
What none of these Chinese groupset reviews are talking about is the repairability. How is the spare parts market, can these be repaired or do they have to be tossed once it’s broken in a crash, or worn out parts. Would like a video on that. Being cheap shouldn’t be the selling point. Would be nice not to add to more to the landfills.
It's less than a year old. Give it time jesus. You act as if it's any easier to find replacement parts for the older or even newer di2/etap parts. Always out of stock year round
And electronic shifting repair is not common since forever. Name shops that would open up your electronic shifters or derailleurs to repair it for you. Stop spouting made up crap.
I much prefer this without those things. OEM cranks these days are boring lumps of expensive ugliness. A crank should be a crank period ! This opens up more options.
I had an 11 speed Sensah groupset. It worked.... it did work, but it felt pretty crappy, and in terms of value for money it was fair but NOT a good deal. I guess the crankset seemed good. Shifting could work well and it did stay in adjustment, but to shift well it had to be adjusted EXACTLY right, within a very small tolerance. The mechanical disc brakes kind of sucked. And the levers, well when braking hard I was worried that some part of the brake lever was going to snap off. I upgraded to 105 with hydraulic disc brakes and it was a HUGE upgrade.
so what about cassette spacing is standard 12 speed compatible? I've been running campy mechanical Record and simply loving the spacing. If you have 12 speed sram keep the wheels and see how the shifting functions.
I'm not fully sure of what you are asking, so forgive me if I'm wrong. This groupset can be adjusted to work with about any 11 or 12 speed cassette. Each position can be individually adjusted.
Yeah... They will watch this and say "you don't cut on weight, don't cut on price, you cut on brand value and support. I think I'm okay with you. Just move on"
Just like anything else chinese first versions are like mehhh but in the long run eventually will get better in time just look at Huawei for instance. Myself I would give them around 3 more years to polish their products and then we will see.
@@glennoc8585your ISP runs on Huawei hardware most probably. You don't notice it but their are a giant company that builds hardware which is a framework of the internet, both mobile and ground.
The Chinese have often copied and reversed engineered everything from electronics to fine German air guns! There are no copyright laws that can get them as that country does as it wishes. But to the group set so to speak as it is missing several components......I am eagerly waiting to hear your thoughts once you test them.
They really need to change their brand name and decals. Who wants to have a groupset called "L-Twoo" on their bike, even though it is a good groupset...
Your comment sounds kinda strange to me. Does not "SRAM" bother you even more? I'm assuming (by your username) that you are from one of the countries speaking a language from the south-slavic group. FYI the meaning is even worse in Polish 😀
@@micktheshaggy3977 haha, you are right "sram" is translated to "shame" in my language. But sram is already an established brand which everyone knows about... If these companies want to gain some popularity and stay relevant in years to come they need to work a bit on their marketing. Also, "l-twoo" just sounds cheap if you ask me...
I’ll tell you how they get around their patents, it’s Chinese, they probably ignored them. There are all kinds of companies forced to give up intellectual property to be allowed access to the Chinese market.
THIS is not a groupset.it's a joke . not complete . where are the brake discs , the crankset, the chain, and the cassette ??? not complete. just a joke . not even it's batteries are propper. they must be changed at once .
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"When it came out, I ordered it and it arrived some time later." Excellent narrating as usual David.
😂
@@pawelodz8050 what's so funny? Can you explain?
I don't understand how these are that good value. You can get full 105 di2 for ~£1000. This was £600 and potentially another £150 for customs and duty and its missing half the parts of the groupset. I would always take SRAM or Shimano over LWOO when the difference in price is small. Thats always been the value proposition of these chinese brands. Save loads of money but you might pay for that in lack of parts, easy of service and reliability. For saving probably about 8% its just not worth it.
The key is not to live in a sht country that's milking you in every turn 😂 go get trapped in 12s then. Parts wear faster and more expensive and always out of stock. Yeah sure is better 😂
no, they are not good value . they are not even groupsets . not complete, not groupsets. only jokes ...
To me its not just that its cheaper but it also allows you to take your time and make the conversion from 11 speed to 12. This means it allows you to budget for the change. The added issue solved for persons who don't for eg live in the developed world is the twoo app is not geo blocked like the Shimano di2 one is. Therefore Ltwoo truly is the group set for all and not just for certain locations
The masochism of people willing to make their bike depend up on some silly app is truly amazing. The audacity to make such product depend up on where you are! And the obvious strikingly short timed planned obsolescence on top of it. Those companies are going to loose quickly market share, since viable alternatives are apparently past the teething phase.
er9 is a closer comparison to 105 Di2 though; the Shimano offering is not carbon fibre. Price for that is currently £420 shipped to the UK. Throw in Senicx PR3 cranks and a ZTTO 11-34 and you're a good 350 quid cheaper than 105 any day.
Yeah for a box full of stuff that if anything breaks you've a 8 week wait for replacements .I'll stick with Shimano Sram etc .The extra money is convenience of repair which I'm happy to pay
@@JaiJai-by4tpwith more people maybe buying these groupsets, they may set up distribution warehouses in eu and us tho.
@@EstelonAgarwaen But 'may' just not good for high price items.
Yeah, but how many times have you had to warranty groupset parts? In all my years and bikes, the answer for me, is never. The big chunk of change saved is more than enough for me to chalk a failure up to life and buy a replacement. Remember, you're gonna be in the same boat wioth the big 3 after 12 months; the only difference is, as pointed out, there's a longer lead time for AE sourced parts (whilst we're on the bleeding edge of release anyway, until more people start stocking them)@@JaiJai-by4tp
@samgraham4168 Wareanty with shimano and sram is a minimum of 2 years 3 for Dura ace. I would ask if its even possible to buy a single unit from ltwoo .
This group set is 11/12 speed compatible which is really cool and the rear derailleur can be adjusted to each sprocket on the cassette in the “app” , as well as the front. In the app you just pick 11 speed or 12 speed set up then u fine tune from there. Its compatible with SRAM, Shimano, and Campy chain sets which hits a huge market value in the road cyclist rider at a very cost effective price who don’t want to spend thousands of hard earned money on Dura Ace or Campy Record bike components. I think it will very attractive for this type of consumer in the road seine.
But somebody looking at buying Dura-Ace or Record probably isn't looking at this groupset as an alternative imo. It's the other end of the market where this groupset is really potentially interesting, bringing tech to a lower price point
@@davidarthur Yep
You can also switch to 10s. If you want a more durable drivetrain
You will be fine, used ltwoo group set to retro mod my old stumpy ,no problems blind fold could not tell the difference between deore,not shackled by big boys no more 😂😅😅
glad you're going to review this group because, as always, it will be the definitive opinion for the most of us.
I do think this is a good value as an upgrade kit if you have say 105 mechanical. But what I want someone to try is using the leavers with 105 calipers. I do think if your buying a full group for a new build Sram still wins for me just because it’s allot easier to instal and having removable batteries. I also find Sram to be easier to use with just one big button on each leaver.
Nah, 105 is probably way better than this. I haven't used LTWOO but I did have a Sensah groupset and it was pretty junky compared to 105
Think this is a better upgrade option for people with Claris and mechanical disc brakes, or even Microshift.
@@BurgerTime7441 crazy to assume that Sensah has the same quality as Ltwoo. Historically, shifts with Ltwoo mechanical drivetrains have been generally better and more consistent than the same tier Sensah. Reviewers of the eRX have been really impressed with shifting so far as well, saying that it's just slightly below 105 Di2.
105 mechanical works so well. Unless you are wanting 12 speed and or electronic, then I'd stick with what you have. Oh, also unless you could use the extra range from 12 speed. I used Shimano for a lot of year, but have moved to SRAM entirely over the last few years. I personally like the functionality of SRAM electronic better and I prefer the removable batteries. I much prefer the one button on SRAM to the two buttons close to each other on Shimano. When I was really bonked or not focused, I'd hit the wrong button on Shimano. That is just me and my opinion. Plus, I have large hands and I think the SRAM works better for me.
Or maybe David you could get Chine frame for example elves eglath pro , and make a full China bike ? This should be a decent bike , i wonder how you would rate this China bike and Colnago for example.
Do the OG-Evkin CF-026. Already tons of reviews on the elves. Only real review of OG-Evkin (slightly older version) frame is from Trace Velo, and he made it sound like a quality frame.
Anyone else find all these cheap new groupsets soooo much more exciting and interesting than anything the big 3 bring out.
I admire that they are still offering sensible mechanics. I'm not interested to burden my bike with kids toy grade mechanics.
Sram and shimano wants you trapped in 12s drivetrain which wears quicker and more expensive. Which is why ltwoo is so appealing since you can switch to 10 or 11s
I want to know what you have planned for your freshly repainted Secan ... 😉
Hi, love your program 👍
Do they make a rim brake version 🤔
Many thanks, looking forward to your review 😁👍
No it appears to be disc brake only
I'm most interested in durability / longevity, especially in bad weather. I'm all for getting a groupset like this, but I don't want to struggle to keep it running after a year (about 20,000kms)
Don't do hydraulic and electric if you want any kind of that.
I just don't know why anyone would pass up a well supported and similarly priced SRAM Or Shimano di2, with well established reliability record.....for this unknown. I don't see this as a disruptor, unless it significantly drops in price.
Trace Velo world! This the first Chinese electronic set and they're only going to get better...I did read somewhere that the head of Ltwoo is a patent lawyer, which is presumably how they can make a Di2 that's not a Di2.
I think that's why they also got a slap for the auto trim that they've had to delete from the latest firmware...
I think the way they do it is selling it on Ali-Express but not at actual retailers in the countries that support patent laws.
@@samgraham4168 not the end of the world. You can still trim manually. Plus you're not stuck in the money gouging 12s parts. Wish they could get around the hood shifters tho. Would be cool to have those as well
Im all for aftermarket i yse some of it myself BUT you must factor in warranty and warranty turnaround with small brand overseas purchases. Also very important is individual part replacement eg if you break one shifter can you buy just buy one shifter or only a pair?.If you need a new derailleur cage and wheels can you buy readily and fast? These groups arent cheap if you cant get parts.
Calm down lmao. It's less than a year old. You act as if shimano or sram isnt always out of stock. They pretend replacement parts are available but in reality always not in stock. What they have are cassettes, chains and cranks which wear faster im 12s
If you already have the other parts it is cheap and you can work 11 or 12 speed once programmed
I don’t get the excitement. If Rival and 105Di2 are roughly the same cost with proven quality, good service options and no icky feeling about buying what some people say is a knock off, what’s the advantage of buying this?
None unless the price is at least 25% less and parts are being advertised
It's the sunk cost fallacy. It appeals to those who intend on buying this to pair with the cheapest cranks/cassette/chain/rotors/etc possible thinking they'll be cheaper, only to likely upgrade further down the line on those parts and spend more money.
That's why I was keen to buy this first electronic groupset to see what all the excitement was about or whether it's better sticking with the known brands
@@davidarthur That’s fair enough, agree it’ll be interesting to see how this groupset performs 👍
Where are you seeing Rival or 105 di2 shifters/derailleurs/calipers for
It all look nice and pretty but my past experience with Chinese groupsets is very hit and miss quality control, now there are sub £1000 offers from the big guys, it's not looking such a bargain especially if you do get stung for import duty.
After watching one of your vids, I picked up a 105 groupset from Wiggle for £299 to replace Sensah...... It just works, brakes better, no oversensitive rear derailleur, no chain drops, happened all the time with Sensah on Rotor cranks n chain wheels, Shimano just works.
I'd love to see it fitted to the bike you have Rival on as I believe the Chinese are aiming for that mid range groupset.
Hopefully, you won't run into the issue Luke from TraceVelo ran into with the front derailleur dying because the logic board on the rear derailleur broke.
I have the ltwoo grx groupset. Im not a massive fan of the hood shape( though this does seem a little different) I see on the chinertown forum that sensah are developing there own electronic groupset. Id be very interested in that.
Very nice. I have a mechanical version on my cross bike after me sram lever snapped. Couldn’t be happier
Hi, I thought you might be interested, I did some digging and I found an electronic derailleur, you have a derailleur, 2 battery's and a pair of buttons, the system is called EDS OX from China 👍
Will I go for this over 105 no! Why - when this breaks which it will what happens? How does one get parts for this? I think it will be a lot of unnecessary headache. If I resided in Asian perhaps I would consider it. My 2 cents.
If you already have a bike and want to upgrade it into electronic shifting and hydraulic brake, I would say Ltwoo is definitely worth it. But if you (at least myself) want to build a bike from zero, I would go directly to 105 di2.
Please stop calling that an upgrade.
More options are always a good thing. But I just don't think the value is there now compared to 105, Rival, and Apex. Either way, Looking forward to the review and long-term follow-up.
You act like there's any value in those setups? SRAM drops parts all the time, Shimano is deliberately incompatible with itself! If these guys make wider range cassettes versions and compatible flat/fldeop bar versions these will be amazing.
Being able to switch from 10s, 11s or 12s is good value. You'll save a lot long term with more cheaper options available
Is it still a groupset if it's missing half the components that comprise a groupset?
Is it as good? Is it cheaper?
Doesn't matter!
It made 105di2 and SRAM price cut almost in half!
Haha I doubt that'd the case. Shimano is of god like size and not threatened by small ops like ltwoo, sensah or others. The same with sram they aren't being threatened they're just too big
Prices were down before this launched and that's not why they fell...
Shimano and Sram needs a reality check because prices are out of this world. Hopefully, there is no competition.
Congrats on the Chinese Rolex
Is it safe to use products that are not certified under the Radio Law in your area?
I know that there is always the problem of illegal radio waves with such products, but I am not sure if there is a problem.
Just bummed there is no rim brake version. But there is also a cheaper Aluminium eR9 version now. Would be interesting to see the weight differences
Wheeltop will release one later year though. But they keep delaying release so who knows.... I'm in the same position as you and just don't want to purchase a set of used R6870...
@@zhuyufan1186ha, interesting. Wait and see I guess
Difference with aluminum version is about 50g so definitely the better value option
@@habanerooperations8432 Yeah, and with aluminum, the snapped brifter lever is no longer an issue.
Please buy an OG-Evkin CF-026 Disc Frame and install these on that Frame. Luke (TraceVelo) just did a build review of the CF-025 (older non-aero version with exposed cables) and reported it as a QUALITY FRAME. The frame is like $619 USD, so not that much. Would be great to know if that frame is suitable for crit racing (looks aero and stiff) and how it compares to the higher dollar bikes you have ridden. Lots of internet content on Winspace and Elves frames already.
That is one chunky frame! 1800 grams!
You say £600 but you need to take into account VAT you got really lucky not having to pay any getting it into the country, unless they auto applied it on the checkout? Looks quite decent to be fair wished they have a rim brake version I think they missed a trick with that, could be the only company offering an affordable di2 rim brake groupset.
They often ship via the Netherlands I have found with expensive ali stuff. It seems to avoid taxation for the most part
@@abedfo88 I will have to let Rishi know 😉
What none of these Chinese groupset reviews are talking about is the repairability. How is the spare parts market, can these be repaired or do they have to be tossed once it’s broken in a crash, or worn out parts. Would like a video on that. Being cheap shouldn’t be the selling point. Would be nice not to add to more to the landfills.
It's less than a year old. Give it time jesus. You act as if it's any easier to find replacement parts for the older or even newer di2/etap parts. Always out of stock year round
And electronic shifting repair is not common since forever. Name shops that would open up your electronic shifters or derailleurs to repair it for you. Stop spouting made up crap.
Difficult to justify with no chain, crankset and cassette included, unless it was to upgrade an existing mechanical system to electronic.
I much prefer this without those things. OEM cranks these days are boring lumps of expensive ugliness. A crank should be a crank period ! This opens up more options.
how come you didn't have to pay any customs and import duties? how do I avoid that?
Is the rear derailleur a medium, or long cage. Thing of using the groupset if it is a long cage.
Thank you
As usual informative video
This really looks promising.
Pair of ur shifter weight 492 g and on another review in YT 448g. How?
I would buy a groupset if they come out with gravel specific with clutch.
Check trimming option please. Is still possible automatic trimming? As I heard it was turned off via app cos some patent issue. Is that true?
Individual trimming only with a lever activated front trim as well. No autotrim.
@@habanerooperations8432 without this feature, this grupe is useless. No benefit to cheper Ultegra r8000 👎😐 I want to buy only for this and 11s option
when is the review coming out?
Will the the shifters work with rim brakes ?
I had an 11 speed Sensah groupset. It worked.... it did work, but it felt pretty crappy, and in terms of value for money it was fair but NOT a good deal.
I guess the crankset seemed good. Shifting could work well and it did stay in adjustment, but to shift well it had to be adjusted EXACTLY right, within a very small tolerance. The mechanical disc brakes kind of sucked. And the levers, well when braking hard I was worried that some part of the brake lever was going to snap off.
I upgraded to 105 with hydraulic disc brakes and it was a HUGE upgrade.
do you have test ride video?
Pay cheap pay twice.
Chinese companies usually don't trouble themselves with patents.
Ltwoo er9 is true bargain! £200 less as it is aluminium instead of carbon
so what about cassette spacing is standard 12 speed compatible? I've been running campy mechanical Record and simply loving the spacing. If you have 12 speed sram keep the wheels and see how the shifting functions.
I'm not fully sure of what you are asking, so forgive me if I'm wrong. This groupset can be adjusted to work with about any 11 or 12 speed cassette. Each position can be individually adjusted.
I wonder how nuclear Shimano and Sram would go after them, there's no way Ltwoo aren't using their patented tech.
Yeah... They will watch this and say "you don't cut on weight, don't cut on price, you cut on brand value and support. I think I'm okay with you. Just move on"
Aren't some of the product developers former SRAM employees? I would think they know to circumvent and design around existing patents.
Some of the original Di2 patents have expired which is a lot of it.
Right. Typical western anticompetitive attitude towards outsiders. Hold to it and it will kick you in the ear, just like with Roman empire and Goths.
I think, that it won't make any dent in the market if they they will be available only on chinese websites.
Agree being able to buy from a local shop would help a lot
@@davidarthurnot until Shimano and Sram has shop brands CEOs and their money in their pocket
save a few dollars and roll the dice without recourse. Imagine ruining a ride when something gives just isnt worth the few dollars in savings
It's very hard to sue a comment that's based on China for patent infringement. Almost impossible.
Just like anything else chinese first versions are like mehhh but in the long run eventually will get better in time just look at Huawei for instance.
Myself I would give them around 3 more years to polish their products and then we will see.
Huawei have all but disappeared in the west?? Haven't seen a Huawei mobile for yeard
@@glennoc8585your ISP runs on Huawei hardware most probably. You don't notice it but their are a giant company that builds hardware which is a framework of the internet, both mobile and ground.
Force is going for 900 usd right now at a lot of places for the 2x hrd.
Point us in the right directions?
I'd still go Shimano on my road bike...... however if and when they do a 1x electric version I'd be very tempted for my gravel bike
1x should come at a lower price tag as well. No FD, pure brake lever on the left.
I was thinking the same about a 1x for gravel.
I bought it. Faulty. Don’t waste your money. Buy the shimano or SRAM!
The Chinese have often copied and reversed engineered everything from electronics to fine German air guns! There are no copyright laws that can get them as that country does as it wishes. But to the group set so to speak as it is missing several components......I am eagerly waiting to hear your thoughts once you test them.
They really need to change their brand name and decals. Who wants to have a groupset called "L-Twoo" on their bike, even though it is a good groupset...
Lots of people don't want Shimano on their bikes because they make fishing reels
If it works who cares?
What's a SRAM anyway
Your comment sounds kinda strange to me. Does not "SRAM" bother you even more?
I'm assuming (by your username) that you are from one of the countries speaking a language from the south-slavic group.
FYI the meaning is even worse in Polish 😀
@@micktheshaggy3977 haha, you are right "sram" is translated to "shame" in my language. But sram is already an established brand which everyone knows about... If these companies want to gain some popularity and stay relevant in years to come they need to work a bit on their marketing. Also, "l-twoo" just sounds cheap if you ask me...
This is more expensive than 105 di2 and rival 😬
It is already well documented that it’s a little unreliable and ever so slightly not waterproof… takes your chances 😂
Happy to find out for myself though 👍
I’ll tell you how they get around their patents, it’s Chinese, they probably ignored them. There are all kinds of companies forced to give up intellectual property to be allowed access to the Chinese market.
Sorry David all this has been done before and tested on a bike in fact twice your a bit late Sir.
So nobody else is allowed to touch it? I wasn't claiming to be the first
Yet you observed and made a comment?
I WAS AMAZED BECAUSE YOUR NORMALLY FIRST .@@davidarthur
THIS is not a groupset.it's a joke . not complete . where are the brake discs , the crankset, the chain, and the cassette ??? not complete. just a joke . not even it's batteries are propper. they must be changed at once .