10 Biggest Watch Scams To Avoid In 2023 - Don't Buy A Watch Until You've Seen This!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.พ. 2023
- Today I'm joined by Marc Frankel of Long Island Watch for a new #watchtalk episode all about the biggest watch scams out there and what you can do to avoid them in 2023 and beyond. In this video we discuss the ten worst watch scams out there, including everything from dodgy dealers, hidden dangers of the gray market, redialed Seiko Pogues, rip off fashion watch brands, and deceptive marketing, to price gouging for over hyped watches like the MoonSwatch Omega collaboration, social media scams, a personal experience with two franken Rolex Datejusts, and much more. Join us for another essential watch talk episode that could help you to protect yourself out in the watch world, and add a comment below to let us know of any watch scams you've encountered recently or in the past. And make sure to share this video with your fellow watch enthusiasts and anyone you know who is looking to buy or sell a watch.
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How can I get on the Hulex waiting list??!
🤣🤣🤣🙌🙌🙌
Good one, thank you Richard,
Best regards,
TGV
I was watching the advert and thinking exactly the same thing. Although I'm sure the waiting list isn't as ridiculous as another similar brand I've forgotten the name of ;-)
Obligatory comment - finishing nowhere near a Grand Seiko
Does each watch come with totally unique chew marks?
If waiting list for Hulex too long for you, and you don't have moral issues, you can always buy homage. I've seen similar T-lex watches ;-)
Man. I really needed a watch chat today.
You need to call out that dealer and let us all know so we dont get scammed!
Who was it?! We need to know!!
A friend of mine in Austria got scammed in a real similar way by an american dealer, the watch in this case was a vintage day date. If you can just name the state the seller is operating from, it would be nice.
Greetings
Fashion watches did what major watch brands failed to do: getting people into wearing watches in the age when the majority wouldn’t even care about that.
Because they're cheap as hell with name recognition. Crap Armani watches everywhere. Are those people going to drop £5k+ to get themselves a decent watch? No.
I love your Ricoh you’re wearing in this video. Any idea where to get one? Love the videos
I understand that, they are the only reason my younger brother wears a watch, two Michael Kors. But I sent him a Citizen to help start him on the right path 😂
@@scottc77 I started with a DW. I didn’t know better at that time, but there is no shame in that.
It's okay until that person get one that cost over 500$
Then it's just a rip off.
Fake new-old-stock watches have become a MASSIVE problem on the auction scene... happens especially alot with vintage Seiko.
Don't be afraid to name names. It's not slander/libel if it's true.
It can be.
I'm beginning really looking forward to your watch chats, dear TGV and Marc! Glad you just released this new one.
TGV, thanks for putting this out there. The annoying “competition won” scam seems to be old hat now, but they were remarkably annoying and disappointing. Nearly got me once about a year ago.
Thanks to you and Marc for providing us all with the heads up. Excellent to see you both!
Onward and upward, my friend!
Hugo’s utter class intro, classic piece!! 😂
My two favorite horological enthusiasts at it again! Love the collab videos as always! Cheers, gentlemen!
Another fabulous and extremely informative video. New to this channel and absolutely loving it. Thank you!
I disagree a little that fashion watches are bad. Some are OK. I have an Armani tank watch I bought in 2007 that looks remarkably like a vintage Rolex tank calibre 360. Still looks great and I will never part with it. Two years ago I bought.a Paul Smith pretty cheap as the store had lost the case. It’s a lovely Panda style with domed crystal and each of the silver baton markers has a different colour inlay. Quite unique and wonderful aesthetics. It had an issue a year ago and was fully repaired under warranty.
Another fine discussion of the world of watches, even the dark underside of the business. Always fun to hear what you and Mark have to discuss. Keep up the good work.
Gentleman, I love both of your approaches to the love of watches. Your both in my opinion the best at separating the good from the bad. Thanks for the numerous videos that help us the consumer make better decisions and ultimately learn how to make good purchases.
Great video!!!! I definitely appreciate the honesty in discussing these various topics related to the horology.
Good to see TGV and Marc together again 👏
G'day TGV, I'd just like to commend you on your editing of this video. Halfway through I suddenly noticed the seamless transition between the closeup shots of yourself and Marc and then the wider front view. Having three cameras is certainly effective and I can imagine a lot of time and effort is needed in the editing phase to ensure a smooth visual flow of the conversation. To my mind, you have the balance just right between the cameras. Well done. 👍
That chat was very entertaining and informative! Thanks Guys!
Long time enjoyer of this excellent channel. I must say (in Rexs voice) that the openings (the soundtrack, the video collage) of this show are one of the best in all of the TH-cam! And apparently there are watches to talk about in great company, too! Jolly good!
The watch chat that *never* fails. Thanks once again, guys. (And, uh, you too, Hugo.)
Awesome video; it’s always a treat when you both get together and have these discussions. There’s always something to glean from your personal tastes, experiences and knot. Thank you!
BTW: greetings from Texas!
Yo! My guy is back. Can't wait to watch this after the gym. Cheers!
This was definitely a great chat. I can appreciate your love for watches.
Thank you sir! Keep up the good work on your channel. O&U!
Best regards,
TGV
Hi TGV. Happy March coming tomorrow! I really enjoyed the smart watch verses fashion watch discussion about 35:20... in the video. Like... "the fashion watches are worse." "I feel like smart watches have "Utility"." "Fitness goals... or appointments." Soooo not in agreement with what Marc said about all that stuff. But... What I did like about the video... was the Intro! I have said it a 100 million time, your intro's are so good. Hugo, channel 865, some nice ocean shoreline scene with some hotness in there... and a motorcycle on top of that. Nice work! Nice video! 😉
I am lying here with covid for the 15th day now and feeling pretty weak, but you two gentlemen made me feel a little better. Thank you ❤
So sorry to hear that, get better soon Simon, I'm glad we could help at least get your mind off it for a while.
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Been there. Feel better, my man!
Apple juice bro, Apple juice. I remember coming out of the worst of it in the hospital, and I was not okay until the apple arrived. It was like the nectar of the Gods. I swear Thor was there, and Vishnu-with a Seiko on every arm
Hope you're feeling better, Simon!
I enjoyed the video.Your conversation was very informative and interesting.Thank you.
Hugo up to his old tricks, top video TGV! Love it! 🦖
I loved the interview and interaction between you guys, I was hearing gypsy jazz in the background at one point and I was tapping my foot.
I’m totally with you TGV, I love a back story with my watches. Brilliant video, I learnt so much from your conversation. Thanks guys 👏
Great chat you two and cheers 🍻 👍
God I love these podcasts its actually comforting in a way watching you two talk
The finest presentation, very interesting content with a touch of humour, a bit of elegance+ sprezzatura. Thanks!
I've recently found this channel and I find it soothing for the soul. I enjoy hearing the discussions between you both and I've been watching over the past week or two now.
I like everything that I've seen here so far. I've always been a watch guy at heart but yet I've never owned more than three at however I love looking at them and enjoy seeing collections no matter how cheap or expensive. The very 1st watch I owned I begged my mother to buy it for me and she did so. She didn't always buy everything I begged her to buy for me so I wasn't that spoiled. Now the watch was a Timex Indiglow with a rotating bezel and a brown leather strap it was so cool and I felt cool while wearing it.
If you made it this far thank you for. your time reading my comment and tolerating my lack of punctuation and improper words used.
Great material! Thanks guys!!
love the production quality of the content! it’s brilliant! 😍🦖⌚️
Nicely done gentlemen. Great show and great narrative... 🥃🥃🥃
Again such a great video! Thx
Such a brilliant review, thank you. Find your style refreshing. And helped me decide on the watch! :)
Another great video! Looking forward to meeting you at Moyer's next week!
Loved it. Thank you
great video, great chemistry and mood with great content
Love when you have Mark on. It’s great seeing the different perspectives. Both of you love watches but because you’re a consumer and he’s a seller sometimes one of either your negatives or positives can be countered by the other. It’s a very unique dichotomy that works well in this setting. Also Hugo my man not classy on the over charged quartz watch but do love the Hullex name. Lol Great to see that someone else loves the series Dinosaurs!!!
Great collaboration as always. 👍
I would absolutely LOVE to hear you and Marc talk about the truth behind resurrected watch brands and purchased history. TGV because you are entrenched and well educated in watch history - and Marc because he knows the industry as an AD and watch designer. When a brand goes bankrupt and ends up completely defunct, but is later purchased and revived by a different company, what happens to the quality of the watches?
For example, Zodiac. It seems that Fossil only purchased the rights to the Zodiac name and their designs. Nobody would pay $1,000+ for a Fossil watch, but they will if it looks like a Zodiac. What really happens when a watch brand is purchased? Are they really the same quality? Or are they just buying a better history to assist in deceptive marketing?
THAT would be an awesome video!!!
Yes, Zombie brands like Aquastar, Nivada Grenchen, etc.
I bought a Zodiac. The buying experience was a dumpster fire from beginning to end. No exaggeration. The coupon code, billing my credit card, the customer service trying to get everything fixed, the shipping. EVERYTHING. Wouldn't recommend!!
See invicta, a Swiss watch company, bought out by an American business when it went bust, but now produces poor quality Rolex homages.
@@kbarnbrook4993 True, but we all know Invicta is crap, whereas TH-cam reviewers sing the praises of Nivada, Aquastar and other zombie brands.
Thank you both. for bring out different scams. I'm mainly a vintage watch collector but redial problems I have encounter. I guess I'm pretty blessed that my father was a watchmaker in the 60s thank you so much TGV I really enjoy your channel and hopefully one day I will get to meet you In person On ward up words. :)
I'm a newbie to this hobby and can't speak enough to how valuable discussions like these are. Thank you both. Also, looking forward to the UG/IW/Hulex collaboration; ready with my CC..
That's exactly what's I thought. Its very approachable for a person new to this hobbie.
Thanks for the advice brother!
Love you guy's keep up the great work.
Congrats on the TGV Squale release! Such a beautiful and classy piece.
Thank you sir,
Very much appreciated, O&U!
Best regards,
TGV
Getting ready to sleep and this pops up and with a great topic, keep it up
Great timing, I just ordered the latest TGV Squale! Great talk as always!
Thank you my friend! Congrats and enjoy, that means a lot to me. O&U!
Best regards,
TGV
Your edits are always top notch! This time the black and white is really aestheticall pleasing
love watching you two always learn something
Thankyou for the birthday video you guys! I hope yours went well. I just got from the UPS driver my all steel matte black g shock and couldn’t be happier with it
Congrats! Such a cool choice, classic happy birthday!
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Great job fellas!!!
It's Friday! FRRRIIIIDDDAAAYYY! Marc and TGV watch channel FRRRIIIIDDDAAAYYY!
Love this show. Thanks guys.
Fantastic video guys. Loved it.
I never get tired of these discussions. They are a real tonic. Great advice all round too but I suppose it's a rite of passage to fall into at least one of these traps. I was ripped off with my first vintage watch (from a 'proper' dealer) but the long game is that I never went back and wouldn't recommend him.
Great video and I've unexpectedly learned how to change the date on my Ricoh day/date. Thanks very much for that.
Good fun, thanks guys.
Always great .
Great video gentlemen, As always. 👍
Great episode!!! 👍
Love the topic today! Will there be a collab between Marc & Hugo to bring the “Hulex” to fruition?
Boy, that went fast. Thanks. Cheers 🍸🍸
Good evening TGV! Great to have Marc and you back on the show! Always a great treat! Locking forward to the next 40 or so minutes. Have a great evening! Best regards!
Good evening Heiko, always happy to hear from you, thank you, chin chin and enjoy! 😎🥂
Best regards,
TGV
Super guys, thank you!
Hugo is just raking it in. Brands must all be after him!!
Always learn from you and Mark. Thank you
Great video tgv fantastic Hugo intro as usual and with the amazing 80s intro music I would love a hulex in my collection 👌
Always a great show. Marc has a head full of interesting asides. 👍
Can you tell me when to expect the Kartier that I won last month???
Glad you brought up the bit about the Oris frankenwatches on ebay. I recently bought a new cherry dial Oris Aquis as my first "big swiss" piece. I have been learning ore about the brand since and had some time to kill recently so I took to ebay to look at some retro pieces from them. The shear amount of them for 25$-150$ Immediately sent my scam alarm ringing and I was so curious as to why Oris of all brands but it makes total sense the way you explained it flying under the radar.
Thanks for the great video !!
Love watching you two talk about watches always a great way to unwind at the end of a day!
I bought 3 Oris watches from Ebay all China rubbish they came frim from Ebay guess it like the boys say if it to cheap how can it be true (real) 😂 lost under $200 leason learnt 😂
Gentlemen, love both your content, would certainly buy from you TGV. I've already purchased from Marc, and will do again. Excellent customer service. Hoping to get a Rangemaster II this year ;-)
my favorite format!
What a great intro! Delicious gain TGV!
Another great videos guys
Pretty awesome little talk :)
Loads of fun. Always a good time over at Tgv’s place.
Hulex… love it! This was the pick- me -upper I needed. That Ricoh is a real find.
AMAZING intro!!!! hahaha so well done......
This was great TGV 👏... As always.. do you have any details/dates for when you and your team will be in the uk yet? Or did I miss the info?
Thank you, my watch friends, was looking for something watchAble today
You two have some awesome conversations, what a pleasure. Also: I put Daniel Steiger in the same category with Stauer. It is interesting, though: three years ago I got a Daniel Steiger as a birthday present from a relative and it's actually a nice dress watch. A little like the "Tank" watch, it's hour, minute, second, date window. Quartz of course but the best feature is the bracelet: my relative had at least a selective eye for DS watches and got me the tungsten/stainless band, which is really quite nice. So even among the Daniel Steigers of the world, occasionally they have something nice.
Cheers to both of you!
Interesting points. I hope you make some content in & around Carmel, IN while you're there. It's a rather photogenic wee town.
Hey Guys, thank you for this very interesting video.
I love these chats on this thing of ours.
TGV, best intellectual watch content. Delivered with style & class. 😊
Great video, thanks for sharing your opinions. Fashion watches use cheap movements and cheap materials? Ironic really, the same fashion houses probably get a tad irritated when they’re clothes are copied using cheap materials and labour.
PS is there a prize for guessing the bleeped out brands?
Another great show boys 🙂
Love this. Greetings from Sweden.
Great Episode!
Awesome video! Please do one on the new movement Omega just put in the Omega Super Racer.
I just wanted to say that I love your show. (:
On a vintage watch, I think a few aftermarket parts are fine. It's a good sign if watches were serviced over time, and at some point the parts become unavailable. Absolutely disclosure is crucial and tells you a lot about the dealer. I don't want to be zooming in on photos to figure out whether a crown is signed. That said, some online listings are just cursory. If you reach out with specific questions, a good dealer will answer thoroughly. If they don't, just walk away.
Authentificication guarantee! 😊 TGV you cracked me up. Great video as usual. ❤ ⌚️
Just when I think it'd be nice to get a video with TGV and Marc, you deliver. Well done 👏
I can totally see Marc's point about smartwatches versus fashion. There's something really disingenuous about fashion brands selling mass produced cheap quartz watches for hundreds just because they put their name on them. 🤔
Thank you as always Alex 🙌🙌🙌
Best regards,
TGV
Great video and advice TGV, is Mark stocking the Hulex? If so put me down for one.
I had no idea about the warranty thing with grey market vendors... Wow. I learned a couple of things today.
I’m thinking you’re referring to The Time Teller…
Came here to say the same thing.
Hey TGV - no one on TH-cam is talking about this but I think one of the biggest scams in the watch world right now is the Rolex 32xx movements. People are having unacceptable issues with amplitude drop-off, stiff crown and horrendous timekeeping. Experienced Rolex techs and independent watchmakers are citing the movement as compromised because Rolex have made bad decisions in multiple places in the movement for the sole reason of bumping up the power reserve to 70 hours.
Marc is amazing!