Thank you for the great review. It angers me to no end when a manufacturer knows there is a flaw in a design (no bathroom ventilation) and fails to address it. 5+ people in the new touring van (proud owner) for a night on the town. The one who ordered the spicy bean burrito (with extra beans) and three beers decides he needs an unplanned emergency trip to the bathroom (in transit) on the return ride home. No matter how you see it, either it will be an embarrassing moment or a quasi hazmat situation. No thanks Hymer
That's an " Evacuation Situation " . For sure . Imagine the driver pulling over , having everyone jump out , standing by the side of the road . Waiting for for the evacuation to be over . It would make a great Fabreeze advertisement .
A spade is a must then - fortunately, it doesn't diminish the smallish cargo carrying capacity by much. Just make sure the hole you are digging isn't somebody's lawn.
Neil, glad you have added the seating position and bed position in the videos! I'm slightly taller than you (I have shrunken!). So it is important for me to find a van that will seat comfortably while driving and give me plenty of room while sleeping. Please keep these specs and views of you in the seats and bed in your future videos!
I absolutely agree with Jay, it really helps perspectives. Views can get distorted with lenses at times and it can be hard to judge. Thanks for adding this aspect to your videos.
Agree 100% with Jay. Neil, you are helping many people avoid buyers remorse and make a more informed purchase decision. I cannot tell you how many reviews are out there where a person demonstrates a space and makes zero mention of their height / size.
Thanks for watching. Interested in my review of the Aktiv 1.0? Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/BMs3m3uh0Sc/w-d-xo.html Check out We're the Russo's review of the Aktiv 2.0 Loft Edition! (btw, they're sponsored by Hymer fyi...) th-cam.com/video/Bg7deGPsS8Y/w-d-xo.html
This was a fun review Neil, great idea to use yourself as a model, really get a feel for the size. A little disappointed that the rear sofa is uncomfortable. Had hoped they might come out with a 1.0 model with a sofa bed, but if it’s that uncomfortable I’d probably stick with the rear bed. Any idea why the jump seat in this loft edition is smaller? Just curious....
hey ben the jump seat is the same size as in the normal aktiv. glad that you like the new review format. I think it packs a lot more info into the same length and the production value is higher.
Wow, this is a much nicer version of the Volkswagen Campmobile. I can totally envision families of 4-5 buying or renting the 2.0 loft edition. When I was growing up in northern CA in the 70's, we had the Campmobile with the pop-up. Mom & Dad slept in back. My older brother slept in the pop-up. (lucky him) I was in the cot across the driver and front passenger seats and my younger brother slept in the galley. I'm sure our fridge was smaller in volume than the Aktiv's and I'm certain we had no microwave. This is such an upgrade! Personally, for the solo RV'ing I'm likely to do, the 1.0 seems a better fit.
Hymer could have easily put fantastic fan at the back of the coach above sofa. They chose not to. They have not a single fan in the Loft edition - NONE! Their idea of ventilation is running underfloor AC in fan mode. The problem is that there is single small vent for that AC and it’s located at the bottom of the front bench 2” above the floor. So you have restricted air circulation with very little volume of fresh air being pumped into the coach. And when you want to run AC to cool it, cold air does not mix up with hot air at the top, so only your floor is being cooled. Until Hymer chooses to fix air circulation in Loft, it’s not even a shortlist - it’s a strong NOT RECOMMENDED. They need to add additional air vents for AC at the head level - that would require running air hoses inside the cabinetry and potentially additional fan to assist AC pushing the air at this height. They also need either to replace sunroof with fan or put fantastic fan at the rear of the coach. The Aktiv Loft is a fantastic coach, but we need to wait for the second iteration before recommending it to the public.
I wish they would put the TV in the back lounge. It's current position up front is horrible. No lighting or heating/cooling in the loft is not good and could have been included easily. That small microwave is useless and a cassette toilet....really Hymer?? I am so mixed about this van because with better thinking they could have knocked it out of the park. Great review!!
Great review!! I toyed with the idea of the loft edition but never saw where solar or AC was talked about. You answered everything thing I questioned. We're going with the Aktiv 2.0 with the foldaway bed in the rear! Thank you!! I also forwarded your channel to some friends for them and their parents considering Class Bs!! #YouPuttheUltraInOutMobility 👍🏾😁
hi there. there is no solar on the roof - I edited that out. you can opt for a portable solar panel. the AC is mounted under the coach and not on the roof.
@@Ultramobility Yes. I saw you had the portable solar option up in the check list. It was a very thorough review as far as my opinion. I didn't know about the A.C. undermount. 👍🏾🤓
thanks edna. I do indeed listen to each and every one of you. when you watch one of my reviews nearly everything in it has been touch by comments from viewers. these videos are as much a product of you as they are of me.
Hopefully this (and similar models like the Winnebago Solis) sells like hotcakes so that more manufacturers start putting in pop top roofs in their sprint class B vans so you can finally get sleeping for four in an Airstream interstate or similar. Time for them to wake up and realize that families want RVs too now, not just boomers, and that means they need sleeping for four.
Your reasonable criticisms of the cassette toilet rarely mention any possible benefits. To be fair to Hymer, to the Europeans who seem okay with it (and to your readers)--how about including some benefits? Apart from the obvious but manageable unpleasantry, and the very limited capacity, how about these as mentionable benefits: The removable cassette gives more dumping locations, it allows for disassembly in the event you need to investigate for odor problems/clogs and really clean if needed (anyone ever try that on a blank tank?), and the ability to double your capacity by carrying a spare cassette. Is there space under the coach whereby one might fabricate a custom storage location to strap a spare cassette? The portability of a cassette allows for this kind of adaptability.
Thanks much for the human model shots. It really helps to get a feel for the various spaces. I never realized 6'2" was considered a giant by RV standards until I stepped into a couple of class B van bathrooms. Also huge difference between a 74" bed and a 70" bed for many of us. Love the Loft but they really need to have some form of power ventilation, looks like room on the rear roof section in this 2.0 length.
Idk, the rear bed looks uncomfortable, you said the seat cushions were not comfortable, no ventilation in the bathroom, are you kidding me? Never mind the moisture from the shower, what about when someone needs to "use" the bathroom for its main purpose? No thanks. No way to heat or cool the loft. I mean I don't see what you see in this at all. You should have one more category -- Pass.
Vickie - glad that as an early subscriber you like the new style. me too. also glad to see that the polling is working. love the community on this channel!
Came across this review after a month of watching your videos. This seems like the perfect van for my family (2 adults + 2 kids who are going to be adults way too soon). Too bad Hymer is no more. Is there another van with this amount of flexibility that's still being made?
ZERO storage. Where are you going to put the bedding for all the sleeping options? Not to mention the funky side step up ladder to raise loft. Horrible design.
Hi Neil, thanks for a great review, love the new format. Indeed great for a family with a couple of kids but considering the temps we had this summer I think the loft might get pretty hot. I'm 6'2'' so a bit small on the bed size. Not a fan of cassette toilet. Will stick to my Simplicity for the time being.
Great review. I would rather they had cut off roof entirely and put on a fiberglass cap which allowed for the bed to come down on gas struts instead of a roof top tent. The fiberglass top would provide greater height inside the van as well. I also can't wait for the new European bed flare "slide outs" that I'm beginning to see that allow those over 6' to comfortably sleep East/West. If I wanted a roof top penthouse tent I would get a Sportsmobile, at least with SM I can get that in any of the major three van brands and in 4x4, albeit for way over the Aktiv's price point.
Neil, as you channel grows, the RV companies will come calling. I'm also a passionate photographer, and I have seen the photography channels become distorted with companies flying the channeled photographers to exotic places to review their new equipment. While the photographers, say they are unbiased, I can't help but think that their credibility is compromised. While I don't think the RV industry is as sophisticated with their marketing as the Japanese photography companies, I do think you will be faced with some decisions down the road. You need to go to the RV shows, and with your channel, get access to their products. It will be interesting to see how you develop your channel as it gets larger!
Yeah I'm already being approached. One idea I have is to go the route of patrons via Patreon in order to keep myself and my channel free from RV sponsorship. Keep it into the hands of you, the viewers. I really do appreciate all the support and love I get especially from old time fans like yourself! One thing's for sure - the channel's going places and it's having an impact. From this video Hymer emailed me and said that they're taking my critique seriously and looking at ways of improving upon the things that I pointed out. So that's something!
you know I'm going to Jeff! Patreon will allow me to continue to provide high quality reviews on a regular basis. Thanks for watching and continuing to be a subscriber!
Two major issues with the loft: 1) There are a few campgrounds in popular parks that do not allow soft-sided RVs (such as Fishing Bridge in Yellowstone) and 2) heating and cooling will suffer throughout the motor home with the loft deployed. I'd also be concerned with the long-term durability of the fabric; you cannot stow it unless it's dry or you'll get mold and rot. Other than all of that, it's fine for a family of midgets.
lol that's a great mini review Colorme Dubious. I need to have you on as a guest co-host! We could be like Paul Hollywood and Prue on the Great British Bakeoff!
Another stellar review! Haha colorme Dubious! Good points--I was already feeling envious of the pop-top, knowing we won’t end up going that route. I feel much better about that now.
Today I saw it in person. The top bed is actually very spacious for one adult. So, one sleeping up and one down is actually excellent for two campers. The lack of ventilation in the washroom is concerning though.
Love the new review format. Showing how you fit in the seats, on the bed and in the bathroom are extremely useful. Keep it up. How to improve? In addition to your usual 360 camera views, some prime lens footage or stills would help since the fisheye of the 360 camera distorts some views.
*There is NO 'UNDERHOOD GENERATOR' involved* *There is a specialized engine-driven ALTERNATOR that weighs apprx. 80-lbs. that serves to 'quick-charge' the power-system*
Too bad Hymer has gone out of business. But then, I don't care for this or the Aktiv units in general. They were designed for European day-trippers, hence the small refrigerator. The fully-framed windows just look... ugly. The ladder up to the loft is in an odd place. You could get a vehicle like this custom built by Sportsmobile, with an electrically-raised pop top, and much more efficient interior furnishings, built on your choice of platforms for around the same price. Or for less, get the Pleasure-Way Tofino, which is simplicity in itself.
Is a shame Hymer hasn't brought out its real class B campervans they have in Europe, like the Grand Canyon S (which has a very large fridge, window in the bathroom, a comfortable elevated rear bed with tons of storage underneath, etc.). Would buy that one in a heartbeat, unlike this compromise filled van aimed at American buyers who want a rear lounge, microwave, etc.
I thinking of buying one of these few remaining units since the plant shut down... Have you heard any feedback about the roofs? do they leak? is that a concern in heavy rain? problems with mildew? Thanks ultramobility!
For the Hymer Aktiv 2.0.. I would avoid it for a family camper van.. now for a couple, sure.. keeping occupied in this will be a challenge.. i would have to rearrange this layout a little
thanks for sharing this no left turns. it's truly a head scratcher. rvs are in campgrounds with people close by and yet they put in these noisy generators.
thanks craig for sharing your thoughts! I think this is a great family camper van but the lack of storage in this layout and the smallish refrigerator would prove a challenge.
Like the format, it is grea. On the Aktiv, probably not the rear lounge, but rear fold down bed for the added storage. If I can’t get an Alpa Tandem in the US I am going the Aktiv and maybe even tow a GT for the longer vacations with 3 adults who snore.
Instead of a door on the bathroom what if it had a curtain on tracks that extends into the walk way some to give more room. I have seen it on other vans, the shower pan is removable and stores in the shower when not used. Saves weight from the door being gone too.. Also I forget if this has a sink or not, but it could be a fold down sink to save space. Not sure why there has to be a cassette toilet in this day and age.
I’d still buy it. I’d figure out how to put a window or mushroom fan or something in the bathroom. Less storage equals less stuff to accumulate 😊 great review!👍🏻
hey heather. I tend to agree with you regarding storage. people think they need all that space but then end up filling it with stuff they never use. my parents own a big class A and said they just lug around all this weight of stuff in their garage that they never use.
Good, but incomplete review on key features in the Hymer 2.0 Loft. It would be very helpful if you would update your review to correct your admission about having to lift the loft (rather than simply using the built-in lifts) and to include BOTH the pros and cons of the undermount AC. The undermount AC is a bit unique and worth some commentary. The pros are noteworthy to me: quieter operation while inside the coach, no large AC box on the roof (which is essential for the loft function), and lower overall height. Keep up the good work!
Neil, I'd love for you to do a video on the volt start system and if it's a better way to go vs the generator. I sat in a Pleasure Way last weekend for an hour at La Mesa dealers in San Diego to see how long the AC took to cool down the Plateau and noticed the generator was rather loud. Thanks. Here's a short video of the system. th-cam.com/video/eRonvYFQOFI/w-d-xo.html
Great review!! Too bad the sides of the loft are canvas because that can be cut open easily to gain access. Kind of scares me because I wouldn't feel secure.
Hi, does your OCCC right? As I checked the dealer and it said it can only hold 450 lbs with water filled? So, 450 lbs for 4 people and cargo which is too small....am I right?
I read your comment below talking about Canadian OCCC is difference with US while I was talking to Can dealer. So, Hymer still using the US OCCC but Can never change it? What a dealer??? So, 1300 lb is the real OCCC for 2.0?
I had a Sportsmobile camper van with a " Penthouse " bed it was awesome . In winter it was warm enough with small catalytic heater on below . Even on low during a snow storm my Coleman Black Cat heater kept in warm , but these walls don't look as thick as the Sportsmobile canvas .
How do you, “have plenty of room,” on a 70” bed if you are 5’10”? 70 inches is 5’10 exactly. Is your bed measurement off or are you shorter than you think?
So, what do you think about the news today that Thor Industries is buying Hymer for 2.2billion euros? Actually don’t answer now, after a little research that will make a good video in it’s own right!
Tks for this review, I'm not interrested by this model, too expensive for what we have, no ventilation and no headroom in the bathroom, a small fridge and where do we put the extra one that we have to carry if we go for a longer period of time, and it's the same problem for some models of all class B the heigth under the rear sofa, but it's OK for a lot of rv'ers that use it for a weekend. See you next time.
So many drawbacks to this van! Tiny refrigerator, no Fantastic fan, uncomfortable rear bed, loft with no heating or outlets, narrow aisle, tv in bad place, and no induction burner. I usually agree with your reviews, but I would not shortlist this van!
That's the Class B for me..... I'm with you the living arrangement flexibility with the loft area / front lounge / and rear sofa is unbeatable..... agree, the only flaw is the bathroom fan....great reviews.....love your page...😀
I hope you do some class C comparisons. Particularly between a Winnebago View 24J and a Coachmen Prism 2150. I am considering these two because I decided my favorite B or B+ is just a little too small for a long adventure.
6:04 He glosses over it, but the A/C is included and is a cabinet style. Think portable a/c meets window a/c and the resulting unit is placed under the couch/ottomans somewhere.
Thank you for describing how much effort is needed to lift the roof. Definitely like the lack of sugar coating :) I'm not very good on ladders (total klutz) and having to walk up and push would be a disaster. I like the 1.0 with the garage and ability to put the bed up.
Great review as usual. Dodge has always been known for not having a whole lot of room in the driver's seat area I don't know why they can't get that worked out. Also most people aren't going to be worried about the kids or grandkids that's why they bought this was to get away from them if they wanted to be with the kids or grandkids they would have stayed home. After a week or two in one of these Vans with grandkids or kids you'll be losing your mind.
Neil, what is it that prevents the driver's seat from reclining more? From the video it looks like the table would be the culprit but it also looks as if it folds down. Great review really enjoy your channel
I am going to pick up my Hymer 2.0 with Murphy bed tomorrow. I was finally able to get rid of my Thor Axis by traded it in at Hershey RV show last week with a fair deal. At the show, I had to ask a Pleasure-Way Rep for direction to Hymer shop, and he was not thrilled. He told me once I saw Hymer's quality, I will come back to them. I never did. It is the simple, functional, and clean design and advanced features that attracted me to Hymer. I do, however, agree with him that Hymer does use cheapper materials here and there. But Having travel 12000 miles in the past 18 months for 2 cross country trips in a poorly built RV, and worried about something might fail every other day, at least I am experienced enough to tell that the Hymer construct seems sturdy. On day 3 of my last trip, the toilet flush paddle popped, and I had to kneel on the floor and use my hand to operate the toilet for the remaining 5000+ miles of my journey. I am sure Hymer will show Its imperfections in my future trips. But with 6-year warranty, I don't really care.
lol - love your purchase story! thank you so much for sharing. every rv has problems that need to be shaken out. you're right the quality on the Aktiv is going to be higher than on the Axis for sure. yes the PW would have higher quality but you're also going to pay for it. so it all depends like you say on your comfort level and what's important to you. well said.
Okay, can someone break down power systems a little more indepth. Im trying to compare the hymers battery with something like the travato. The travato has a 48 volt battery with 8700 watts of lithium on board, and underhood generator that recharges the system in an hour and a half. The Hymer has two 6 volt AGM batteries with option of Lithium 400 upgrade (is that the watt size? i couldn't find any more info on hymers website). If so i believe you'd be running the underhood generator constantly on the hymer. And with no solar panels on the loft (im pretty sure), this would be way behind the travato in terms of power. And one would have to keep their hymer engine running all night to get A/C. This is impractical to me. As is the ductless loft, pressure cooker any one? I dont know how you would control humidity without having a fantastic fan, little cross breeze unlikely, so youd have to run a dehumidifier on power, which this system would struggle with. Electronics without the power to run them don't provide any purpose to the consumer. For this reason, I'm skeptical of the hymer and its battery capabilities.
I believe you can upgrade the Aktiv to 1600 amp hours of lithium which would make it a larger battery bank than on the Travato. Watt hours is simply calculated as volts times amps so 400 amp hours times 13.6 volts = 5,440 watt hours. i'm not sure how the Aktiv's bms works but if it allows you to boast the battery voltage to say 14.3 volts like my pleasureway does then you could store 14.3 * 400 ah = 5720 watt hours. If you upgrade to the 1600 amp hours you have 21,760 watt hours of power which would allow youto run your ac most of the night without needing to start the engine.
I may have missed it but how do you get AC in the coach part without a rooftop unit? I like the amount of seating/sleeping spaces they have managed to squeeze into this van. Can you comment on the actual comfort of the rear couch (similar to your own RV) while driving down the road? From my experience any seats behind the rear axle in a full size van can be quite bouncy and uncomfortable while underway. Really enjoy your detailed reviews, keep up the good work.
hi alex - the AC is mounted under the RV. there's some debate as to how efficient under mounted AC units are so I'll have to look into that. The rear couch is definitely not as comfortable to sit on and ride on in the Aktiv as compared to the Ascent.
I don't understand what's a point of this tiny campers, very uncomfortable go to camping and not able to stretch out,all this new vans looks amazing, but useless, 40 years ago was OK to have a vw camper ,but a 60s, ...70s and a young years is over,unfortunately
well I think many folks want a smaller van that they can drive around as a second car or not have to worry about towing a second vehicle or parking. that's just my thoughts. it's the reason why I bought mine.
Hi Neil, Great review. Maybe I missed it, but I did not hear anything about the missing solar panels. I was told that because of the weight limitations due to the fiberglass top that they could not be added. That's a big problem. Can you confirm this? I think if they really want this to work they need to put this on the Stronger Mercedes chassis that has the dual wheels. Yes, it would be longer. But they then they could add stronger struts and add the needed solar pannels. let's discuss the disadvantages of a Pop Top model. 1st Rain/mold: Yes, it will repel water but if the rain is heavy it will enter your rig. If not air dried long enough you will get mold (ask tent trailer owners). 2nd privacy: light shadows or noise. If you have ever stayed in a tent you know what I'm talking about. 3rd Stealth: The biggest reason why people go to a Class B is that they can camp anywhere. Use the Pop Top feature and you lose that option. 4th limited or no room for solar pannels: Hymer's big plus was to have enough solar to "assist" in powering the air conditioner. Not only does the Pop Top take that away it now takes longer to cool and heat the unit (again ask anyone with a tent trailer).
hi greg. I cut out the talk about the solar panels and instead just put in graphics that say that there is an option 250w of solar on a portable panel. not sure why hymer couldn't mount the solar on the rear part of the van where there is no loft. probably weight related.
Neil, this comment is not related to this video. But, how long will the AC run in say, the Ascent or Travato K? So, like, if you have pets.................... Is there a danger of fumes is running off generator. Hope these questions are not too dumb! 😀
not dumb at all. I have a separate video : th-cam.com/video/3TrIK6jvmTE/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgwvGF8SXd3Zw2FCN7N4AaABAg that talks about how much propane is consumed running the AC using the generator. long story short: it's a hog and your tank will be depleted in about a day. There is a danger of fumes but only if you have a window cracked up on the side near where the generator's exhaust pipe is.
I like the cassette toliet feature and the 2 lounges. It's unfortunate that it has such a small fridge and its not 4 season, hopefully in the future they will change that.
You said six 3point seatbelts are available but in the graphic you superimposed over the rear sofa, you wrote 7. Good video but you know I love your 360 vids much more.. keep em coming regardless!
Neil another crazy good video from you excellent I'm actively looking for something just like this the deal-breaker for me is the cassette toilet though. Is there anything else that comes close I'm looking for something I can just take for the day with one overnight with a group of six. Also is there any dedicated storage for the ladder and the optional bed when you're fully stocked with 6 people?
hi there! thanks! you may want to try out the cassette toilet. honestly some black tanks like mine in my ascent are only a little over twice the tank size so you're going to have to look for a dump station if you have more than a couple people using it. at least with the cassette you can dump at more places. regarding the ladder it stows in the open space above the cab. the mattress for the front bed doesn't stow any place convenient in the sofa bed configuration. in the rear flip down bed layout you could stow the front mattress back there.
A couple questions I have on this one: Is there any provision for solar, and what is the OCCC? Actually I think it would be good to include the OCCC in all your reviews. Showing how that top goes up was very helpful to understand this one better. I would not want the couch bed but I can see where it would work well for a family with several children. Thanks again for your reviews!
There's a $750 portable solar panel upgrade. the occc is at the end of the video and is 1300lbs. I do include the occc in all newer reviews now :-) thanks for watching!
Cassette toilet - bad for many reasons.... no bathroom vent - deal killer for the smell issue alone lingering in your living space after someone uses the closet bathroom setup. Those tiny lounge windows are a waste of space when they could put in larger size windows like in the Pleasureway. Don’t people want to be able to look out at their beautiful surroundings. Isn’t that the whole point of getting out into the great outdoors?! This could be an amazing rig if they went back and fixed some of these head scratchers.
yeah I have to agree with you on all the points you've made. the lack of proper ventilation in the bathroom is the biggest oversite. it's clearly a cost issue because the same company puts an opening window in their European model so …. there you have it.
I'll buy it - do you spend all of your time doing this? A Passion? - Well done, you cover a lot of details and you speak clearly and articulate. Keep up the good work.
I’m so torn, because I love the loft bed, but there are some serious drawbacks to this RV. Bathroom vent: I wonder if they could put a small vent with a fan on the side of the RV. Maybe where that cubby is to the left of the medicine cabinet mirror. And why wouldn’t they replace the skylight with a Fantastic or Maxx Air Fan? Under mount A/C: I’ve read these aren’t very good. Hopefully, I read incorrectly or technology has improved. Small refrigerator: Maybe they could decrease the width of the drawers to the left of the fridge and put in refrigerator/freezer drawers. I actually wish RV companies would start offering drawer style fridges. Solar: I like using the car’s engine as a generator (maybe Hymer should look into upgrading the alternator like in the Travato with lithium), but I still want solar, and a portable solar panel just isn’t enough. Do you know if it’s possible to put a flex solar panel on the loft roof? Layout: I could totally go for this layout even though I generally prefer a more open layout with fixed beds. I generally don’t like back lounge couch/beds, but with the loft bed, you don’t (assuming you’re traveling w/o kids) have to make up a bed every night. And sleeping in the loft bed looks so nice. It’s like upgraded tent camping. The only change I would make is adding some lighting and usb outlets. It’s just a shame that the beds are all so short. Unless I’m mistaken, the longest bed is 71” long. I wonder if Hymer could put in flares like in the Revel. Thanks for another great review!
I like your attention to detail tall people would be concerned with. Suggestion: a vid with class b units for people over 6 ft tall. I only know the Ford chassis is taller. Any other choices?
Good gawd. Just because it sits and sleeps 6 doesn't mean it should. I'd go bat sheeit crazy in that small space with 5 other humans. Now cats or dogs would be ok....
well I think 5 would be fine. I mean we all travel with 5 people in cars on road trips and get along. this is a lot bigger. thanks for the comment and sharing though!
Nope! Don't need the loft. Will sorely miss the fan keeping the van from getting too hot while I'm away. Rather run a generator than the car engine to recharge the batteries which have to be Lithium. Seems to me the Lexor FL is better designed to me.
My family will tell you that no fan in the bathroom while I'm using it is a deal breaker . I have no idea what they're talking about . It does seem that they could have put one of those small pop up/out fans in the van wall . Great video as usual .
Very nice review. The price point has got to come down. For $100K+ I would go regular RV or travel trailer for much less $$ and better livability. Family of four and the dogg.
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Thank you for the great review.
It angers me to no end when a manufacturer knows there is a flaw in a design (no bathroom ventilation) and fails to address it.
5+ people in the new touring van (proud owner) for a night on the town. The one who ordered the spicy bean burrito (with extra beans) and three beers decides he needs an unplanned emergency trip to the bathroom (in transit) on the return ride home.
No matter how you see it, either it will be an embarrassing moment or a quasi hazmat situation.
No thanks Hymer
LOL - you viewers and your comments are cracking me up! I love your honesty and humor! thanks for sharing.
That's an " Evacuation Situation " . For sure . Imagine the driver pulling over , having everyone jump out , standing by the side of the road . Waiting for for the evacuation to be over . It would make a great Fabreeze advertisement .
A spade is a must then - fortunately, it doesn't diminish the smallish cargo carrying capacity by much. Just make sure the hole you are digging isn't somebody's lawn.
Neil, glad you have added the seating position and bed position in the videos! I'm slightly taller than you (I have shrunken!). So it is important for me to find a van that will seat comfortably while driving and give me plenty of room while sleeping. Please keep these specs and views of you in the seats and bed in your future videos!
you got it. they are a part of the new review series format. thanks jay!
I absolutely agree with Jay, it really helps perspectives. Views can get distorted with lenses at times and it can be hard to judge. Thanks for adding this aspect to your videos.
Agree 100% with Jay. Neil, you are helping many people avoid buyers remorse and make a more informed purchase decision. I cannot tell you how many reviews are out there where a person demonstrates a space and makes zero mention of their height / size.
anthony - I get all these ideas from you, the viewers. i'm just following what you want to see so keep it up!
Thanks for watching. Interested in my review of the Aktiv 1.0? Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/BMs3m3uh0Sc/w-d-xo.html
Check out We're the Russo's review of the Aktiv 2.0 Loft Edition! (btw, they're sponsored by Hymer fyi...) th-cam.com/video/Bg7deGPsS8Y/w-d-xo.html
This was a fun review Neil, great idea to use yourself as a model, really get a feel for the size. A little disappointed that the rear sofa is uncomfortable. Had hoped they might come out with a 1.0 model with a sofa bed, but if it’s that uncomfortable I’d probably stick with the rear bed. Any idea why the jump seat in this loft edition is smaller? Just curious....
hey ben the jump seat is the same size as in the normal aktiv. glad that you like the new review format. I think it packs a lot more info into the same length and the production value is higher.
Wow, this is a much nicer version of the Volkswagen Campmobile. I can totally envision families of 4-5 buying or renting the 2.0 loft edition.
When I was growing up in northern CA in the 70's, we had the Campmobile with the pop-up. Mom & Dad slept in back. My older brother slept in the pop-up. (lucky him) I was in the cot across the driver and front passenger seats and my younger brother slept in the galley. I'm sure our fridge was smaller in volume than the Aktiv's and I'm certain we had no microwave.
This is such an upgrade!
Personally, for the solo RV'ing I'm likely to do, the 1.0 seems a better fit.
I love your story bill. thanks for sharing that. made my day.
Hymer could have easily put fantastic fan at the back of the coach above sofa. They chose not to. They have not a single fan in the Loft edition - NONE! Their idea of ventilation is running underfloor AC in fan mode. The problem is that there is single small vent for that AC and it’s located at the bottom of the front bench 2” above the floor. So you have restricted air circulation with very little volume of fresh air being pumped into the coach. And when you want to run AC to cool it, cold air does not mix up with hot air at the top, so only your floor is being cooled. Until Hymer chooses to fix air circulation in Loft, it’s not even a shortlist - it’s a strong NOT RECOMMENDED. They need to add additional air vents for AC at the head level - that would require running air hoses inside the cabinetry and potentially additional fan to assist AC pushing the air at this height. They also need either to replace sunroof with fan or put fantastic fan at the rear of the coach. The Aktiv Loft is a fantastic coach, but we need to wait for the second iteration before recommending it to the public.
dima - really appreciate your sharing this comment! well stated and I know other potential buyers will appreciate it.
I wish they would put the TV in the back lounge. It's current position up front is horrible. No lighting or heating/cooling in the loft is not good and could have been included easily. That small microwave is useless and a cassette toilet....really Hymer?? I am so mixed about this van because with better thinking they could have knocked it out of the park. Great review!!
Let's hope they listen to you on the second round!
Great review!! I toyed with the idea of the loft edition but never saw where solar or AC was talked about. You answered everything thing I questioned. We're going with the Aktiv 2.0 with the foldaway bed in the rear! Thank you!! I also forwarded your channel to some friends for them and their parents considering Class Bs!! #YouPuttheUltraInOutMobility 👍🏾😁
hi there. there is no solar on the roof - I edited that out. you can opt for a portable solar panel. the AC is mounted under the coach and not on the roof.
@@Ultramobility Yes. I saw you had the portable solar option up in the check list. It was a very thorough review as far as my opinion. I didn't know about the A.C. undermount. 👍🏾🤓
It's beautiful. I think you're going to love it!
Thanks Neil, When you addressed the driver’s seat I laughed in a good way because you listened. Your review was really thorough.
thanks edna. I do indeed listen to each and every one of you. when you watch one of my reviews nearly everything in it has been touch by comments from viewers. these videos are as much a product of you as they are of me.
Hopefully this (and similar models like the Winnebago Solis) sells like hotcakes so that more manufacturers start putting in pop top roofs in their sprint class B vans so you can finally get sleeping for four in an Airstream interstate or similar. Time for them to wake up and realize that families want RVs too now, not just boomers, and that means they need sleeping for four.
Your reasonable criticisms of the cassette toilet rarely mention any possible benefits. To be fair to Hymer, to the Europeans who seem okay with it (and to your readers)--how about including some benefits? Apart from the obvious but manageable unpleasantry, and the very limited capacity, how about these as mentionable benefits: The removable cassette gives more dumping locations, it allows for disassembly in the event you need to investigate for odor problems/clogs and really clean if needed (anyone ever try that on a blank tank?), and the ability to double your capacity by carrying a spare cassette. Is there space under the coach whereby one might fabricate a custom storage location to strap a spare cassette? The portability of a cassette allows for this kind of adaptability.
Thanks much for the human model shots. It really helps to get a feel for the various spaces. I never realized 6'2" was considered a giant by RV standards until I stepped into a couple of class B van bathrooms. Also huge difference between a 74" bed and a 70" bed for many of us. Love the Loft but they really need to have some form of power ventilation, looks like room on the rear roof section in this 2.0 length.
I noticed the extra space on the rear roof as well. don't know why they haven't utilized it for some sort of ventilation...
Idk, the rear bed looks uncomfortable, you said the seat cushions were not comfortable, no ventilation in the bathroom, are you kidding me? Never mind the moisture from the shower, what about when someone needs to "use" the bathroom for its main purpose? No thanks. No way to heat or cool the loft. I mean I don't see what you see in this at all. You should have one more category -- Pass.
Like your new style Neil:)
Don't like that rig though but people do...
Thanks for polling you do too#
Vickie - glad that as an early subscriber you like the new style. me too. also glad to see that the polling is working. love the community on this channel!
@@Ultramobility Can't wait to see 2019 comparisons! Where are the 2019 PW's....
Please get a hold of a 19’ airstream on a Sprinter chasis for one of your proper reviews.. 👍🏼
I put it in the polls but it didn't do well. maybe i'll poll it again.
Came across this review after a month of watching your videos. This seems like the perfect van for my family (2 adults + 2 kids who are going to be adults way too soon). Too bad Hymer is no more. Is there another van with this amount of flexibility that's still being made?
ZERO storage. Where are you going to put the bedding for all the sleeping options? Not to mention the funky side step up ladder to raise loft. Horrible design.
I've been looking everywhere with one just like this, and I can't find them! I want the sofa bed in the back and the loft!
Hi Neil, thanks for a great review, love the new format. Indeed great for a family with a couple of kids but considering the temps we had this summer I think the loft might get pretty hot. I'm 6'2'' so a bit small on the bed size. Not a fan of cassette toilet. Will stick to my Simplicity for the time being.
yep this van is not for someone of your height unfortunately :-(
Am I missing something. Does this unit have an awning?
yes sorry. it does have an awning standard but it isn't legless.
Great review. I would rather they had cut off roof entirely and put on a fiberglass cap which allowed for the bed to come down on gas struts instead of a roof top tent. The fiberglass top would provide greater height inside the van as well. I also can't wait for the new European bed flare "slide outs" that I'm beginning to see that allow those over 6' to comfortably sleep East/West. If I wanted a roof top penthouse tent I would get a Sportsmobile, at least with SM I can get that in any of the major three van brands and in 4x4, albeit for way over the Aktiv's price point.
thanks for sharing those thoughts! I do like the idea of a rooftop tent... interesting.
Great review, almost bought one at the last Pomona RV Show. Hope to see someone make a similar family oriented Class B RV.
me too! love that floorplan!
Love the new format. Very different. Very informative. I do miss seeing you in your PW though. Great content as always. Congrats on 16K followers!
thank you so much! next stop 50k! glad that you like the new format. thanks for letting me know.
Neil, as you channel grows, the RV companies will come calling. I'm also a passionate photographer, and I have seen the photography channels become distorted with companies flying the channeled photographers to exotic places to review their new equipment. While the photographers, say they are unbiased, I can't help but think that their credibility is compromised. While I don't think the RV industry is as sophisticated with their marketing as the Japanese photography companies, I do think you will be faced with some decisions down the road. You need to go to the RV shows, and with your channel, get access to their products. It will be interesting to see how you develop your channel as it gets larger!
Yeah I'm already being approached. One idea I have is to go the route of patrons via Patreon in order to keep myself and my channel free from RV sponsorship. Keep it into the hands of you, the viewers. I really do appreciate all the support and love I get especially from old time fans like yourself! One thing's for sure - the channel's going places and it's having an impact. From this video Hymer emailed me and said that they're taking my critique seriously and looking at ways of improving upon the things that I pointed out. So that's something!
You give the most entertaining and detailed reviews. Always a great joy to experience. LOL! Keep 'em coming!!!
you know I'm going to Jeff! Patreon will allow me to continue to provide high quality reviews on a regular basis. Thanks for watching and continuing to be a subscriber!
I've been waiting for this one before I purchase one of these Class B Vans,, Thanks for posting!
you're welcome steven!
Ditto, Steve.
Two major issues with the loft: 1) There are a few campgrounds in popular parks that do not allow soft-sided RVs (such as Fishing Bridge in Yellowstone) and 2) heating and cooling will suffer throughout the motor home with the loft deployed. I'd also be concerned with the long-term durability of the fabric; you cannot stow it unless it's dry or you'll get mold and rot. Other than all of that, it's fine for a family of midgets.
I didn’t know that some campgrounds didn’t allow soft sided RV’s so I’m glad you posted that detail. And far as a family of midgets,, that was funny
lol that's a great mini review Colorme Dubious. I need to have you on as a guest co-host! We could be like Paul Hollywood and Prue on the Great British Bakeoff!
Another stellar review! Haha colorme Dubious! Good points--I was already feeling envious of the pop-top, knowing we won’t end up going that route. I feel much better about that now.
Today I saw it in person. The top bed is actually very spacious for one adult. So, one sleeping up and one down is actually excellent for two campers. The lack of ventilation in the washroom is concerning though.
The added weight of the loft also leaves little room for cargo. Makes the added space moot.
Love the new review format. Showing how you fit in the seats, on the bed and in the bathroom are extremely useful. Keep it up. How to improve? In addition to your usual 360 camera views, some prime lens footage or stills would help since the fisheye of the 360 camera distorts some views.
yeah need to upgrade the 360 camera to a professional grade one!
Great video review!
Was it just me or was anyone else shocked by the price of the Microwave Oven (shown at around the 6:37 mark in the video) 😃
I know right?! $100k+ for a microwave. must be good. ;-)
*There is NO 'UNDERHOOD GENERATOR' involved*
*There is a specialized engine-driven ALTERNATOR that weighs apprx. 80-lbs. that serves to 'quick-charge' the power-system*
Too bad Hymer has gone out of business. But then, I don't care for this or the Aktiv units in general. They were designed for European day-trippers, hence the small refrigerator. The fully-framed windows just look... ugly. The ladder up to the loft is in an odd place. You could get a vehicle like this custom built by Sportsmobile, with an electrically-raised pop top, and much more efficient interior furnishings, built on your choice of platforms for around the same price. Or for less, get the Pleasure-Way Tofino, which is simplicity in itself.
Is a shame Hymer hasn't brought out its real class B campervans they have in Europe, like the Grand Canyon S (which has a very large fridge, window in the bathroom, a comfortable elevated rear bed with tons of storage underneath, etc.). Would buy that one in a heartbeat, unlike this compromise filled van aimed at American buyers who want a rear lounge, microwave, etc.
Where the “f” am I going to find a “Hymer “
I thinking of buying one of these few remaining units since the plant shut down... Have you heard any feedback about the roofs? do they leak? is that a concern in heavy rain? problems with mildew? Thanks ultramobility!
Next one should be Winnebago travato 59GL.. jus want to know lil more about the the solar and lithium batteries power
For the Hymer Aktiv 2.0.. I would avoid it for a family camper van.. now for a couple, sure.. keeping occupied in this will be a challenge.. i would have to rearrange this layout a little
thanks for sharing this no left turns. it's truly a head scratcher. rvs are in campgrounds with people close by and yet they put in these noisy generators.
thanks craig for sharing your thoughts! I think this is a great family camper van but the lack of storage in this layout and the smallish refrigerator would prove a challenge.
Ultramobility yeah, a few changes.. than we talking..
I might have to get that app and do the db rating for rvs that are parked outdoors. thanks for that!
I love the new "bed planking" still shots to show size of sleeping compartments. #BedPlanking
lol #BedPlanking! I love it. thanks for that!
Hello Neil .. ThanX 4 a great review .. If opting 4 the front optional bed 850$ .. Where do U stow it when not in use ?
If you can't trust a priest's reviews, who can you trust?
I give a straight up honest review direct from the mouth of god.
Pretty sure there's more than a few alter boys that would disagree with that statement.
Like the format, it is grea. On the Aktiv, probably not the rear lounge, but rear fold down bed for the added storage. If I can’t get an Alpa Tandem in the US I am going the Aktiv and maybe even tow a GT for the longer vacations with 3 adults who snore.
glad you like the new format alaskandww! thanks for letting me know.
Instead of a door on the bathroom what if it had a curtain on tracks that extends into the walk way some to give more room. I have seen it on other vans, the shower pan is removable and stores in the shower when not used. Saves weight from the door being gone too.. Also I forget if this has a sink or not, but it could be a fold down sink to save space. Not sure why there has to be a cassette toilet in this day and age.
What alternatives are there for those focused on how many can sleep? I want a van that sleeps 5 and dont want to go to a full sized RV. Help!
No problem. I’ll be bothering you with more questions as I get closer to making my decision.
I have a question and I know it might be late but do you know what the link is for this class b because every other website goes to the loft edition.
I’d still buy it. I’d figure out how to put a window or mushroom fan or something in the bathroom. Less storage equals less stuff to accumulate 😊 great review!👍🏻
hey heather. I tend to agree with you regarding storage. people think they need all that space but then end up filling it with stuff they never use. my parents own a big class A and said they just lug around all this weight of stuff in their garage that they never use.
Good, but incomplete review on key features in the Hymer 2.0 Loft. It would be very helpful if you would update your review to correct your admission about having to lift the loft (rather than simply using the built-in lifts) and to include BOTH the pros and cons of the undermount AC. The undermount AC is a bit unique and worth some commentary. The pros are noteworthy to me: quieter operation while inside the coach, no large AC box on the roof (which is essential for the loft function), and lower overall height. Keep up the good work!
Neil, I'd love for you to do a video on the volt start system and if it's a better way to go vs the generator. I sat in a Pleasure Way last weekend for an hour at La Mesa dealers in San Diego to see how long the AC took to cool down the Plateau and noticed the generator was rather loud. Thanks. Here's a short video of the system. th-cam.com/video/eRonvYFQOFI/w-d-xo.html
yeah it is loud. that's a great idea for a video. i'll put it down and then everyone can vote on a bunch of different ideas. thanks for that!
Great review!! Too bad the sides of the loft are canvas because that can be cut open easily to gain access. Kind of scares me because I wouldn't feel secure.
Hi, does your OCCC right? As I checked the dealer and it said it can only hold 450 lbs with water filled? So, 450 lbs for 4 people and cargo which is too small....am I right?
I read your comment below talking about Canadian OCCC is difference with US while I was talking to Can dealer. So, Hymer still using the US OCCC but Can never change it? What a dealer??? So, 1300 lb is the real OCCC for 2.0?
I don't think I could be happy with any camper that has canvas
lot's of people agreeing with you I see!
is it canvas or more like what inflatable dingies are made of?
I had a Sportsmobile camper van with a " Penthouse " bed it was awesome . In winter it was warm enough with small catalytic heater on below . Even on low during a snow storm my Coleman Black Cat heater kept in warm , but these walls don't look as thick as the Sportsmobile canvas .
How do you, “have plenty of room,” on a 70” bed if you are 5’10”? 70 inches is 5’10 exactly. Is your bed measurement off or are you shorter than you think?
It’s 78 inches in length not 70 so I made a mistake thanks for pointing that out.
So, what do you think about the news today that Thor Industries is buying Hymer for 2.2billion euros? Actually don’t answer now, after a little research that will make a good video in it’s own right!
I think it puts pressure on the smaller manufacturers like Pleasure-way. Thor probably bought them to get deeper into Europe.
Thank you for review it gives me a idea of what i want
thanks for watching!
^280 HP, not 208^
And pump the brakes for a moment- I’d there no rooftop air conditioner? If not, why get lithium and the GU?
So glad i live in europe as the Adria 640 sgx pop top is amazing
Just now heard Thor is buying Hymer. For me that is bad news for future quality of Hymer RVs..
yeah that doesn't bode well. will be interesting to see what they do with the roadtrek brand now that they also own airstream.
at least airstreams will start to get lithium!
This is made for shorter people. I am 6' 3" and there is no sleeping surface that at least 77" (a minor 2 in buffer). Sad
Looks great exactly what I was thinking about when hopefully I'm ready to purchase one 😀
You should!
Tks for this review, I'm not interrested by this model, too expensive for what we have, no ventilation and no headroom in the bathroom, a small fridge and where do we put the extra one that we have to carry if we go for a longer period of time, and it's the same problem for some models of all class B the heigth under the rear sofa, but it's OK for a lot of rv'ers that use it for a weekend. See you next time.
claude, thanks for watching and sharing. i'm getting a feeling that there are others that feel the same as you do by reading the comments!
Another great review Neil! Thanks a bunch and fun travels.
thanks for watching JayKay!
Industry leading 6 year warranty lol 🤦🏻♂
So many drawbacks to this van! Tiny refrigerator, no Fantastic fan, uncomfortable rear bed, loft with no heating or outlets, narrow aisle, tv in bad place, and no induction burner. I usually agree with your reviews, but I would not shortlist this van!
there is heating in the back, ducted thanks to the truma combi system. at the time it was the only pop-top available here in North America.
If it was the only pop-top at the time, then I can understand your excitement.@@Ultramobility
That's the Class B for me..... I'm with you the living arrangement flexibility with the loft area / front lounge / and rear sofa is unbeatable..... agree, the only flaw is the bathroom fan....great reviews.....love your page...😀
Too bad it is discontinued due to bankruptcy.
I hope you do some class C comparisons. Particularly between a Winnebago View 24J and a Coachmen Prism 2150. I am considering these two because I decided my favorite B or B+ is just a little too small for a long adventure.
did you vote in the poll on my community tab! I have a poll for what classes of RVs I should review. go forth and vote!
Price is outrageous! Interior is ugly as hell. If they offered me $120k to take it I would give it some thought.
Excellent review. Thanks
Does the loft version have an in-coach air conditioner? I could not see the air conditioner unit in the ceiling?
6:04 He glosses over it, but the A/C is included and is a cabinet style. Think portable a/c meets window a/c and the resulting unit is placed under the couch/ottomans somewhere.
For the toilet/bathroom with no window.
One may regret when the moldy fungus start showing up after a month used.
Thank you.
Thank you for describing how much effort is needed to lift the roof. Definitely like the lack of sugar coating :) I'm not very good on ladders (total klutz) and having to walk up and push would be a disaster. I like the 1.0 with the garage and ability to put the bed up.
Great review as usual. Dodge has always been known for not having a whole lot of room in the driver's seat area I don't know why they can't get that worked out. Also most people aren't going to be worried about the kids or grandkids that's why they bought this was to get away from them if they wanted to be with the kids or grandkids they would have stayed home. After a week or two in one of these Vans with grandkids or kids you'll be losing your mind.
lol wrt the kids and grandkids - well said!
If I cant lean the seat back I can't drive it
Neil, what is it that prevents the driver's seat from reclining more? From the video it looks like the table would be the culprit but it also looks as if it folds down. Great review really enjoy your channel
it's the table behind. you're right the table could be lowered to allow the front seat to move back further.
Good to know. I'm 6'3" and this would be a requirement.
Your funny....that's a pass...I like the UK version better.
hi there - funny good or funny bad?
Great 👍looking class b van 👌
You forgot to mention that the storage is not that great compare to the Pleasure way
hi there - i'll do that in its comparison videos!
I am going to pick up my Hymer 2.0 with Murphy bed tomorrow. I was finally able to get rid of my Thor Axis by traded it in at Hershey RV show last week with a fair deal.
At the show, I had to ask a Pleasure-Way Rep for direction to Hymer shop, and he was not thrilled. He told me once I saw Hymer's quality, I will come back to them. I never did. It is the simple, functional, and clean design and advanced features that attracted me to Hymer.
I do, however, agree with him that Hymer does use cheapper materials here and there. But Having travel 12000 miles in the past 18 months for 2 cross country trips in a poorly built RV, and worried about something might fail every other day, at least I am experienced enough to tell that the Hymer construct seems sturdy. On day 3 of my last trip, the toilet flush paddle popped, and I had to kneel on the floor and use my hand to operate the toilet for the remaining 5000+ miles of my journey.
I am sure Hymer will show Its imperfections in my future trips. But with 6-year warranty, I don't really care.
lol - love your purchase story! thank you so much for sharing. every rv has problems that need to be shaken out. you're right the quality on the Aktiv is going to be higher than on the Axis for sure. yes the PW would have higher quality but you're also going to pay for it. so it all depends like you say on your comfort level and what's important to you. well said.
Okay, can someone break down power systems a little more indepth. Im trying to compare the hymers battery with something like the travato. The travato has a 48 volt battery with 8700 watts of lithium on board, and underhood generator that recharges the system in an hour and a half. The Hymer has two 6 volt AGM batteries with option of Lithium 400 upgrade (is that the watt size? i couldn't find any more info on hymers website). If so i believe you'd be running the underhood generator constantly on the hymer. And with no solar panels on the loft (im pretty sure), this would be way behind the travato in terms of power. And one would have to keep their hymer engine running all night to get A/C. This is impractical to me. As is the ductless loft, pressure cooker any one? I dont know how you would control humidity without having a fantastic fan, little cross breeze unlikely, so youd have to run a dehumidifier on power, which this system would struggle with.
Electronics without the power to run them don't provide any purpose to the consumer. For this reason, I'm skeptical of the hymer and its battery capabilities.
I believe you can upgrade the Aktiv to 1600 amp hours of lithium which would make it a larger battery bank than on the Travato. Watt hours is simply calculated as volts times amps so 400 amp hours times 13.6 volts = 5,440 watt hours. i'm not sure how the Aktiv's bms works but if it allows you to boast the battery voltage to say 14.3 volts like my pleasureway does then you could store 14.3 * 400 ah = 5720 watt hours. If you upgrade to the 1600 amp hours you have 21,760 watt hours of power which would allow youto run your ac most of the night without needing to start the engine.
I may have missed it but how do you get AC in the coach part without a rooftop unit? I like the amount of seating/sleeping spaces they have managed to squeeze into this van. Can you comment on the actual comfort of the rear couch (similar to your own RV) while driving down the road? From my experience any seats behind the rear axle in a full size van can be quite bouncy and uncomfortable while underway. Really enjoy your detailed reviews, keep up the good work.
hi alex - the AC is mounted under the RV. there's some debate as to how efficient under mounted AC units are so I'll have to look into that. The rear couch is definitely not as comfortable to sit on and ride on in the Aktiv as compared to the Ascent.
I don't understand what's a point of this tiny campers, very uncomfortable go to camping and not able to stretch out,all this new vans looks amazing, but useless, 40 years ago was OK to have a vw camper ,but a 60s, ...70s and a young years is over,unfortunately
well I think many folks want a smaller van that they can drive around as a second car or not have to worry about towing a second vehicle or parking. that's just my thoughts. it's the reason why I bought mine.
Hi Neil,
Great review. Maybe I missed it, but I did not hear anything about the missing solar panels. I was told that because of the weight limitations due to the fiberglass top that they could not be added. That's a big problem. Can you confirm this? I think if they really want this to work they need to put this on the Stronger Mercedes chassis that has the dual wheels. Yes, it would be longer. But they then they could add stronger struts and add the needed solar pannels.
let's discuss the disadvantages of a Pop Top model. 1st Rain/mold: Yes, it will repel water but if the rain is heavy it will enter your rig. If not air dried long enough you will get mold (ask tent trailer owners). 2nd privacy: light shadows or noise. If you have ever stayed in a tent you know what I'm talking about. 3rd Stealth: The biggest reason why people go to a Class B is that they can camp anywhere. Use the Pop Top feature and you lose that option. 4th limited or no room for solar pannels: Hymer's big plus was to have enough solar to "assist" in powering the air conditioner. Not only does the Pop Top take that away it now takes longer to cool and heat the unit (again ask anyone with a tent trailer).
hi greg. I cut out the talk about the solar panels and instead just put in graphics that say that there is an option 250w of solar on a portable panel. not sure why hymer couldn't mount the solar on the rear part of the van where there is no loft. probably weight related.
Thanks Neil for showing the driver's seat legroom.
you're more than welcome! thanks to viewers for suggesting it. it will become a regular part of my reviews.
Ultramobility Yeah I was the one that emailed you that request a couple weeks ago. You rock my friend.
Neil, this comment is not related to this video. But, how long will the AC run in say, the Ascent or Travato K? So, like, if you have pets.................... Is there a danger of fumes is running off generator. Hope these questions are not too dumb! 😀
not dumb at all. I have a separate video : th-cam.com/video/3TrIK6jvmTE/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgwvGF8SXd3Zw2FCN7N4AaABAg that talks about how much propane is consumed running the AC using the generator. long story short: it's a hog and your tank will be depleted in about a day. There is a danger of fumes but only if you have a window cracked up on the side near where the generator's exhaust pipe is.
I like the cassette toliet feature and the 2 lounges. It's unfortunate that it has such a small fridge and its not 4 season, hopefully in the future they will change that.
thanks for sharing your wishes DoctorWhoGeek. I've invited Hymer to read these comments.
You said six 3point seatbelts are available but in the graphic you superimposed over the rear sofa, you wrote 7. Good video but you know I love your 360 vids much more.. keep em coming regardless!
great catch. yep the graphic is wrong. it does have 7 seatbelts but one is a lap restraint.
Neil another crazy good video from you excellent I'm actively looking for something just like this the deal-breaker for me is the cassette toilet though. Is there anything else that comes close I'm looking for something I can just take for the day with one overnight with a group of six. Also is there any dedicated storage for the ladder and the optional bed when you're fully stocked with 6 people?
hi there! thanks! you may want to try out the cassette toilet. honestly some black tanks like mine in my ascent are only a little over twice the tank size so you're going to have to look for a dump station if you have more than a couple people using it. at least with the cassette you can dump at more places. regarding the ladder it stows in the open space above the cab. the mattress for the front bed doesn't stow any place convenient in the sofa bed configuration. in the rear flip down bed layout you could stow the front mattress back there.
A couple questions I have on this one: Is there any provision for solar, and what is the OCCC? Actually I think it would be good to include the OCCC in all your reviews. Showing how that top goes up was very helpful to understand this one better. I would not want the couch bed but I can see where it would work well for a family with several children. Thanks again for your reviews!
There's a $750 portable solar panel upgrade. the occc is at the end of the video and is 1300lbs. I do include the occc in all newer reviews now :-) thanks for watching!
Cassette toilet - bad for many reasons.... no bathroom vent - deal killer for the smell issue alone lingering in your living space after someone uses the closet bathroom setup.
Those tiny lounge windows are a waste of space when they could put in larger size windows like in the Pleasureway.
Don’t people want to be able to look out at their beautiful surroundings.
Isn’t that the whole point of getting out into the great outdoors?!
This could be an amazing rig if they went back and fixed some of these head scratchers.
yeah I have to agree with you on all the points you've made. the lack of proper ventilation in the bathroom is the biggest oversite. it's clearly a cost issue because the same company puts an opening window in their European model so …. there you have it.
the thing is' No way for A/C? i mean impressive with lay>out. for accommodation for Beds..the unit just depend on cockpit A/C?..
There's an undermounted a/c - not on the roof.
I'll buy it - do you spend all of your time doing this? A Passion? - Well done, you cover a lot of details and you speak clearly and articulate. Keep up the good work.
it is my full time job. thank you!
And just heard Thor is now purchasing Hymer/Roadtrek. Wonder how that will impact these? Stay tuned, I guess...
yes indeed stay tuned...
I’m so torn, because I love the loft bed, but there are some serious drawbacks to this RV.
Bathroom vent: I wonder if they could put a small vent with a fan on the side of the RV. Maybe where that cubby is to the left of the medicine cabinet mirror.
And why wouldn’t they replace the skylight with a Fantastic or Maxx Air Fan?
Under mount A/C: I’ve read these aren’t very good. Hopefully, I read incorrectly or technology has improved.
Small refrigerator: Maybe they could decrease the width of the drawers to the left of the fridge and put in refrigerator/freezer drawers. I actually wish RV companies would start offering drawer style fridges.
Solar: I like using the car’s engine as a generator (maybe Hymer should look into upgrading the alternator like in the Travato with lithium), but I still want solar, and a portable solar panel just isn’t enough. Do you know if it’s possible to put a flex solar panel on the loft roof?
Layout: I could totally go for this layout even though I generally prefer a more open layout with fixed beds. I generally don’t like back lounge couch/beds, but with the loft bed, you don’t (assuming you’re traveling w/o kids) have to make up a bed every night. And sleeping in the loft bed looks so nice. It’s like upgraded tent camping. The only change I would make is adding some lighting and usb outlets.
It’s just a shame that the beds are all so short. Unless I’m mistaken, the longest bed is 71” long. I wonder if Hymer could put in flares like in the Revel.
Thanks for another great review!
PlaneJaned, thank you for sharing your thoughts. I would think that there's enough room for flex solar panels on the roof in the rear.
I like your attention to detail tall people would be concerned with. Suggestion: a vid with class b units for people over 6 ft tall. I only know the Ford chassis is taller. Any other choices?
class b+ and c are generally taller inside and also have longer beds and more space in the bathrooms.
Ultramobility Thank you. I know the Ram chassis is lower. I bump my head in the middle where the ac is positioned. The Ford chassis is higher.
But what's the price
Good gawd. Just because it sits and sleeps 6 doesn't mean it should. I'd go bat sheeit crazy in that small space with 5 other humans. Now cats or dogs would be ok....
well I think 5 would be fine. I mean we all travel with 5 people in cars on road trips and get along. this is a lot bigger. thanks for the comment and sharing though!
Rvs are getting worst
Nope! Don't need the loft. Will sorely miss the fan keeping the van from getting too hot while I'm away. Rather run a generator than the car engine to recharge the batteries which have to be Lithium. Seems to me the Lexor FL is better designed to me.
I do love that fl as well. completely different feel.
My family will tell you that no fan in the bathroom while I'm using it is a deal breaker . I have no idea what they're talking about . It does seem that they could have put one of those small pop up/out fans in the van wall . Great video as usual .
TMI! lol thanks for sharing!
I really like Hymer, I just wish that the sleeping space was bigger for tall people and there was more cargo carrying capacity overall.
yep me too! maybe they'll address on version 2!
Thank you very much for your video, excellent presentation better than the Sellers, super didactic and it helps us decide, I love it.
Glad it was helpful!
Very nice review. The price point has got to come down. For $100K+ I would go regular RV or travel trailer for much less $$ and better livability. Family of four and the dogg.
hey street chicken - yeah once you go above $100k the game changes for most people.